Is Your Game Sustainable?

Most of the game advice you read on the internet, especially from PUAs, is not sustainable. Gurus are teaching you how to get results that can only come from dozens of hours a week into approaching and dating. Many professional PUAs that I’ve met approach more women in a day that casual players do a month. This experience has given them powerful insight and knowledge into the female mind, but also makes it almost impossible for a man with other time commitments to match their level (consider that RSD used to urge men to quit their job in order to approach). 

I have not hidden the amount of effort the game requires, and have declined to sugarcoat my results in order to make myself look better. I understand that typical men, even those who are dedicated, won’t come close to putting in the amount of work that I have. Therefore their results may not reach the same level as mine. This could lead to bitterness and skepticism, both of my teachings and character. The sexual results of a man who has been in the game for 13 years may even seem unbelievable to someone who has yet to approach a woman. For most men, game is seen as nothing more than a fantasy, and for others, a short-term adventure like you can watch in the movie Goonies.

A good example of unsustainability is the one-night stand. I strongly advise men to push for this, but for you to get consistently good at it, you need to put in the work (it took me over a year of approaching until I got my first one). You also have to be a night owl who has a tolerance to alcohol. Even if you have all the required traits, there is still a small window of age when you’ll be able to go for them; the late-nights and body toil will eventually become tiresome. Every man will get to the point where he rather get a number and go home to sleep then try to get lucky.

Another example of unsustainability is 10 approach nights. As you get older, your standards shoot up, so soon you don’t even notice ten girls in a club that you want to talk to, preferring maybe only two or three. You will obviously get lower results from such a decrease in attempts made.

I’m definitely not saying that you shouldn’t pursue one-night stands and do ten approach nights, but that you won’t be able to do them forever. Once your prime game years are spent, is there a sustainable program you can pursue that keeps your sexual variety high? One possible answer is doing one approach a day. With such little labor each week, taking 20-60 minutes a day depending on the weather, you should be able to have an interesting sex life that isn’t burdensome on your work and fitness schedule. It will be very hard to burn out from one approach a day.

This summer I went through a period where I loathed night game. Luckily, I day gamed for years, so I only had to make minor adjustments so the sex spigot wouldn’t be turned off. Things would have been much more difficult if I had not had this day game skill to back me up during my night game break.

I wholeheartedly encourage intensive learning, of partying multiple times a week, of 10 approach nights, of 4 hour day game sessions, of 100 approach campaigns, but you have to understand that these activities have a built-in expiration date. What will you do after? Settle with any girl? Get married?! This is unacceptable to me. You must instead have the awareness to prepare for a future level of activity that still gives you an acceptable success rate. Therefore don’t get too attached to your night game results.

When you’re partying at night with your boys, getting fast bangs, understand that these times will end. Casually work on your day game backup now so that you are better prepared for its arrival. Otherwise you will panic, settle for a girl you shouldn’t, and get stuck, putting a stain on what I hope will be a long and successful game career.

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Night game seems on the surface the fast track to getting laid. But really when you keep track of all your the amount of time and energy expended on hooking up its incredibly inefficient. Think about it. For the average guy, he’ll go through 10 times more “almost” experiences gaming at night than actual successes even if he’s pretty good. Day game seems like a ling and winding road but actually pay Better dividend with better quality and results in the long run.

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Then you have guys like me who hate crummy smoky bars. If I go out I want Miami or Vegas quality dj music (George Acosta, Paul Van Dyk) and decent quality women not skanky 5s. I wonder as men age if their is more dignity in paying a 9 or 10 or gaming a 5 or 6???
Another thing is a lot of this lifestyle wouldn’t exist if many of us hasn’t been so damn frustrated with women in high school and college. Also, we have t had shit for
Masculine role models of any quality in this Communist-Zionist fem bot Orwellian pinko corporate police state plantation known as AmeriKa. We live in a really soulless Country. Can you imagine how good it must of been for men 50 years ago when a woman was glad a man even acknedged her compared to the sexual harassment and feminazi rights cramp of today???

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Very good post Roosh, I have not read such an honest assessment in ages but I have felt the same tiredness as I switched from the Uni to the real world. lots of people that I met were either quitting game or trying to continue living the “student life” even when they have jobs and thigh schedules, with devastating results… Adapting your game is the key

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The night game/day game generalities are true. NIght life by nature is structured in a way that it becomes more natural to approach women. The trade-off is the toll it takes on your health with late late nights, and alcohol. Also, the attitudes of women in clubs/bars tends to be worse, and you will tend to hook up with party girls. To each his own.

Day game, there is a shitload more pressure and no real buffer for the seduction. BUt you have much more control over your time, the quality of the girls you approach. You pay for that with the increased nerve it takes to ap[proach, and the higher skill level of closing in a harder context (as opposed to a club/bar).

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“Every man will get to the point where he rather get a number and go home to sleep then try to get lucky.”

When does this happen?

Age 60?

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The dreariness of the burbs are affecting Rooshs perceptions. I’d like to see him do a West coast bang mission in your turf of SoCal or Miami because in the People’s Corporare Police State Bankster Plantation of Americastein that’s where the flyer bitches fly their thongs.

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For the average man, likely before 35. I believe there is a genetic component to nightlife longevity. Most guys don’t have it.

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how much longer until you are done with night game?

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There’s no way to predict, but I doubt I will be very active beyond 40.

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You have to work like hell to be very active after 40. Now that I’m pushing 50, it’s work gaming the way I used even 3-4 years ago. The late nights, the drinking, the sub-standard quality of the girls and the worsening results/effort ratio sap motivation quickly.

I find myself going through phases of about 2-3 months of effort yielding some results, then 3-6 months where I have to recover, get other things accomplished and eventually tire of my harem, after which I clear the decks and start anew.

I also notice, and have been told by younger pros (e.g. bartenders, club owners, etc) that the change in seasons affects results significantly. For example, the arrival of fall seems to trigger something in women — maybe the cooler weather, fashion weeks, shopping, the holidays, etc — that motivate them after the summer break to find that guy they want to connect with through the new year. Then it’s all over when girls start contemplating the emptiness of their lives around the new year and plot their departure for greener pastures in the spring. So, it’s good for me to lay off the effort in mid-summer to recoup and recover for the start of fall.

Since I didn’t know game at all in my 20’s and 30’s, I really have nothing to compare to concerning my current motivation, sustainability and results. I’m not sure anyone does, since game is a relatively recent phenomena. The long-term affects of game are only understood by guys like you who’ve been in it a decade or more.

If we draw an analogy to sports regarding sustainability, then of course we’d say that all athletic endeavors are unsustainable. However, we wouldn’t say that athleticism completely dies a 30, 35, or 40. We just understand that age affects our ability and adjust our expectations accordingly. In fact, Clarence Bass is still a lean MoFo champion body builder at the ripe old age of 75. Of course, he’s the exception, but also proof that if you’re willing to put in the time and effort, you can still accomplish what others dream about in their 20’s. We wouldn’t say a healthy, fit and active 70 year old is unfit, or his regimen unsustainable, because he doesn’t look like Bass. We just have different expectations of sustainability.

So it is with game beyond 35. I think it’s sustainable, albeit at different levels and with different expectations and different results. It would be flawed to expect a 35 year old to game as a 20 year old, just as much as it would be flawed to expect the same 20 year old to have an accomplished career, money and status that the 35 year old had more time to build.

If that’s the definition of unsustainable, then so be it. I just say game changes with age and maturity as do many things in a man’s life. Most changes are natural, healthy and good. I would not want to be living in the same house I did when I was 21, or have no accomplishments, stories, travels, and life experiences under my belt in exchange for a high-energy gaming experience that a 21 year old today can have.

Ok. I’ll step down off my soap box now.

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37 for me, this year At night I feel great, but the next day… let´s not talk about it.

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35 to 40 was like that. Was almost a mgtow, though not angry. Just had no motivation or could’nt care.

Then somehow got “inspired” again to chase the under 30s

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Getting wasted every night and hungover the next day to talk to
6s and 7s (maybe an occasional 8) into seduction sounds like a lousy life. Why not just focus on making money and go for quality over quantity. I agree with other posters- higher quality women can be found at Whe foods, art exhibits, etc.

Ps- do you feel physically weaker? Are you hitting the wall? Would testosterone therapy help? Now that I’m in my 30s my biggest
Coma aunt is longer recovery times for everything- workout, etc.
if your 18 at University and reading this- hit the ground running man! If your in college and don’t do an approach a day your Wasting your life (trust me I know and nothing can help you with that misery other than taking action). Roosh you’ve inspired me to action I just wish I had your game advice earlier codve saved me a lot in terms of self respect. Action is the answer. Risks are where the gold is gentlemen.

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I don’t like the idea of putting a lot of effort in night game if it is only temporary.
If you eventually have to switch to day game, wouldn’t it be a good investment to focus on it really soon (at the expense of night game)?

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My hang over tolerance dropped a lot after age 30…

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My hangover tolerance dropped a lot after age 22.

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I love this topic. Closely related to my favorite topic which is Game Efficiency. My method is not terribly sustainable. It takes a bit of time and effort. I am working on greater sustainability and efficiency by screening harder for dtf girls, moving online, gaming throughout my normal day to day activities — market, public tranport, mall, gym, street, etc.

Fuck! I need some fame!!

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Frankly, I don’t really see myself in clubs trying to pick up chicks past 30.

I sure hope I will have turned into the successful attractive man I aim to be before that time. I occasionally see the 30-50+ gentleman/lady in the clubs I go to and the first thing that crosses my mind is I hope this is not going to be me.

Not being judgemental here, I just hope I will have more going on in my life in order not to rely on hitting on stupid drunk college students to get some tail.

In order to avoid that, it starts with taking my shit seriously NOW. Work on my game, work on my physique, work on my money. Pussy is unlimited, making it the primary goal in your life is a form of pedestalizing which a lot of PUAs/manosphere men fall into once they discover game.

Get the rest in order and the pussy will flow torrentially like the Niagara Falls

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Get the rest in order and the pussy will flow torrentially like the Niagara Falls – haha nope. You are on the right track – sounds like you are still a kid to whom 30+ seems like an old age – so yeah at that age concentrate on the rest. But you do need game. Anything else is useless without game.

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I see the point of this for sure. Just in the last couple of years, 31 now, I’ve definitely felt the hangovers more and less able to get into a high energy mode particularly rolling dolo. If I’m out with bros, which happens infrequently as people settle down, it is a much different matter though.

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For most men, continious night game is not sustainable beyond 35. Either you are a natural nigh-lifer or you own a club. However, day game and online game are less time intensive an can yield results.

The PUA masters whose notch is in the 100s have rejection numbers in the 1000s. That means thousands of hours and dollars per year just for fucking. Efficient? Not. Enjoyable? Surely, for them.

I rather have a life and 5-15 notches per year. For me, approaching and going out 5 days a week is akin to having no life. Unless you own a PUA blog and do that for a living…

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THANK you. Too much PUA stuff these days is in-talk with the implicit assumption that you buy into an entire lifestyle. Moreover there is no talk about what happens after you achieve your goals. I like the viewpoint of the mortal human, it’s something I can identify with instead of an acronym-laced post with inside jokes and veiled jabs at other bloggers.

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When I go out (I’m 29), I rarely have more than 1 warm-up shot at home, and 2 drinks at the bar/club/concert/ etc. I can’t tolerate the all-day hangover experience like when I was 21. I look back and wonder why the hell I used to get so shit-faced at bars/clubs. I can’t even imagine drinking now till the point of puking…something I did frequently 20-23.

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Agreed. Game slows down after time. It of course has not only do with energy level, but after so many notches one acquires the “been there and done that” perspective. In fact I almost say it is more or less a rite of passage. The other thing to consider is that certainly in the usa peak night club has arrived, meaning it is almost feudal to even consider night clubs unless you are a well know celeb, or a coke dealer, or an ex-con who got out of prison for killing someone. Even for younger guys hitting the scene with full-amped game it is a hardcore environment. I’m not saying it is impossible, but there may be other night time venues for night game worth looking into.

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I believe that night game can be sustainable if you don’t out for 4-5 hours at night and focus on hitting state quickly and pulling at the end of the night.
My plan once i finally fix my current weakpoints will be :
Wake up a bit before closing time, Do rapid warm-ups to get in state, try to pull.
No alcohol, combined with a polyphasic sleep schedule and a darkened room, eye mask and earplugs.

I once talked with tyler from rsd and he told me that even tho he always says that he goes out 7 nights a week, he mostly just does socializing for 30-60 minutes at the clubs/street and only pimp’s hard during the weekends.

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Game? WTF? If you want to promote “neosmasculinity” and Western Civ seriously then don’t come off as some huckster.