I hate my job. And it’s all because I went to Italy.

Two years ago a friend of mine was studying in Rome and invited me to visit. I was comfortable with my routine here, working 40 hours a week to make someone else rich so I can spend two days of freedom on the weekend sleeping in and trying to get laid. But over there I really enjoyed the idea of exploring this different world without having to work. Why does it only have to be two days of freedom every week? Then I went to Venezuela and it was even better. I was taken out of my comfort zone where fun wasn’t served on some tour package platter. The simplest things like eating a meal or catching a cab turned into adventures. And the girls—so hot. :tard:

I started to dislike my job after Venezuela, until I read a couple job interview books (in the bookstore, of course) and found a new gig that paid a lot more. But the extra money only kept me happy for a couple months. Maybe it’s not the companies I don’t like, but the idea of working for a company. I don’t like following orders from a boss I wouldn’t spend my free time with—someone I don’t respect. And I definitely don’t like spending a third of my waking life in an office building.

Spain made it worse. I was sure I didn’t want to commit my best years working to save enough money when I’m too old to enjoy it. I don’t want to play golf or bingo, ever.

Most of us are on the capitalist path: to go to school, get educated, become a good worker peon, spend money on consumer products, and die. My immigrant parents thought this would be best for me, so I can’t fault them for pushing me into getting a college degree to have a life that is easier than 99.5% of all human beings in the world. But I just don’t think it’s for me.

Not work


  1. KassyK February 19, 2007 at 9:38 am

    I just wrote this whole thing and it didn’t go through so don’t mind me if it comes up belatedly twice.

    I hear you on this post. But I’ve felt this way since college…the idea of working in an office the rest of my life is awful…the money/power/achievements in a corporate world to me are worthless personally because I am not a corporate person.

    I love the creative arts and I think a 9-5 is just stifling and working in this type of environment feels like wasting my life away.

    Interesting about your parents though considering my immigrant father (and non immigrant mother) were completely different. They taught me to always take the different path and do what made me truly happy, even if it ends up being slightly weird and outside of the pack mentality.

    I thought it was one of the best lessons I ever learned…to never be satisfied with what everyone else thinks is “good”…and discover what I want on my own.

    Ok, I’m babbling–only one at work today huh?

  2. Capitalist February 19, 2007 at 10:15 am

    However, if it wasn’t for the 50 hour weeks we work in the US, we wouldn’t have the standard of living that we enjoy. Italy, although a beautiful country with great people, suffers from chronic unemployment and low growth.

    Additionally, and unfortunately since we are now in a global economy, if you don’t work hard at your job there will be someone else who will.

    Things change, some for the better and some for the worse, but the fact is the amount of work that you do isn’t the problem, its the type. If you truly love what you do, you wouldn’t mind being there as long as it took to be successful. And sucess doesnt have to be monetary.

  3. DCVita February 19, 2007 at 10:18 am

    I relate too. I am always so restless that I am constantly looking for the next great adventure. But I think that we are at the very least lucky to say that we realize there is more to life than a 9-5 because we have been out there and we have seen it. There are two kinds of people in this world…those that seek life and those that wait for it to come to them. You are spending the best years of your life seeking. There should be joy and satisfaction in that.

  4. Anonymous February 19, 2007 at 10:35 am

    You’re in a malaise because you’re actually a Beta-male. If you were truly alpha, you wouldn’t worry about working for the man, being a 9-5’er, working for a company, and hence, worry about money. If you were truly Alpha, you would have leveraged your net worth, incorporated, cobbled together financiers, and taken a huge risk on a gut feeling (on anything: buying a buidling, starting restaurant, starting your own research firm, etc.), and gone with it. Alpha-males live. You’re jsut getting by.

  5. Shawn February 19, 2007 at 12:04 pm

    “I don’t want to be a product of my environment. I want my environment to be a product of me. Years ago we had the church. That was only a way of saying – we had each other. The Knights of Columbus were real head-breakers; true guineas. They took over their piece of the city. Twenty years after an Irishman couldn’t get a fucking job, we had the presidency. May rest in peace. That’s what the niggers don’t realize. If I got one thing against the black chappies, it’s this – no one gives it to you. You have to take it.”

    -Frank Costello, The Departed

    Like the anon above said, stop being such a fucking beta.

  6. TC the Terrible February 19, 2007 at 12:05 pm

    I think it boils down to you not doing what you are interested in doing. When I’m into my work it consumes me. When I’m not I have a hard time not calling in sick everyday.

    Maybe you should find the thing that makes you happy (other than sex) and do that for a job.

  7. Irina February 19, 2007 at 12:12 pm

    I know your so-called “alpha male”, mr. anonymous. he works 100 hours a week to build a business. this will probably go on for like 4 more years. afterwards, it’s only a guessing game if he will be very wealthy. i don’t think you know anything about being an “alpha male”.

    roosh, i feel exactly like you. except, now i realize that if i was a lady living it up in paris, par example, i would love my 35 hour work week (if i worked for the government; everyone else works more) and have no money to travel anywhere else. at least here your salary permits you to take such glorious vacations.

  8. Genevieve February 19, 2007 at 5:03 pm

    I have a feeling that when I go to Japan I’m never going to come back.

    “Most of us are on the capitalist path: to go to school, get educated, become a good worker peon, spend money on consumer products, and die. ….. But I just don’t think it’s for me.”
    I relate to this 100%.

  9. mm February 19, 2007 at 5:15 pm

    I relate to this, but seriously, what other options are out there? Raise goats? Become a traveling bum and periodically sell yourself for a bowl of soup and a cracker? Life isn’t one big adventure. You just have to try to find a job that you find tolerable enough and take up some hobbies. You can still have your big, crazy adventures…just not everyday. Who wants that anyway? You’ll get to appreciate them so much more when they are spread out.

  10. Peter February 19, 2007 at 5:15 pm

    preach on, brutha. the more we all get it in our heads that this 5/2 b.s. is b.s., the better of we’ll all be.

    submission to authority. some ahole boss. everyone’s taking orders from someone in these corporations – they’re perfect dictatorships – totalitarian systems.


    I like this dude:

    His interview here is legit. Says he doesn’t like working the 9 to 5. Nice:

  11. namaste February 19, 2007 at 5:49 pm

    totally agreed. this post is example #2,000,010 why getting a Ph.D. is infinitely more worthwhile. it’s both a means and an end to a life worth living and a job worth taking.

  12. Mad1 February 19, 2007 at 5:59 pm

    Roosh, Mr.Anonymous – made some good points, Alpha males are not slave to some coporate system. If you want to travel and party with hot women…may I suggest the service get to be the in the mix of people and if you play your guards right you can be come a owner of a resturant/office/real estate – or in your case…club owner…think about it you make millions and you get dethrone miss usa contestants…read about Miss Usa 06…

  13. Jewcano February 19, 2007 at 7:10 pm

    If you want out of your rut, you basically have a few choices. 1) You can mooch off your parents forever. 2) You can have a job that demands little in effort or hours, and be dirt fucking poor. 3) You can live in magical mystical fairy land where people pay you insane sums of money for basically nothing (ex. the NBA) 4) You find a job you genuinely enjoy. The hard part of this isn’t finding the job, it’s figuring out what you really like to do. Once you do that, the job’s actively fun. There’s nothing beta about generating value for society, if you’re as much a go-getter in the cube farm as you are in the night club (although if you’re a wage slave sissy to a boss you loathe, yeah, beta.)

    People tend to look at European youth and think they have it great. No way. They’re unemployed, unemployable, have no cash for cars/booze/cd’s/travel/etc. All they have to look forward to is eventually getting a grueling union job with little chance of advancement and the gov’t taking 60% to pay unemployment benefits to the next generation of useless bodies. Actually living in Europe sucks balls. I’ll take my job here and vacation there; best of both worlds.

  14. Cob February 20, 2007 at 12:52 am

    been meaning to email you for about 6 months, from a previous convo we had. the bulk of what I was going to say is really along the same lines as what you posted above. will drop you a line in a bit. corncob

  15. Nameless Coward February 20, 2007 at 1:25 am

    How very insightful. I guess this comes from the fact that most people think that they do not have other options to pursue when all they need is some small action to help them truly see what they want to do. Then there is the inevitable internal questioning as to whether this can be achieved when someone should just go with their gut feeling and achieving it.

  16. gunslingergregi February 20, 2007 at 3:02 am

    People always want the easy way. They never want to do it right. Just work till you have that big juicy chunk of cash. Then don’t work. Just chill out and if that picture is an indication of what you consider fun then it doesn’t look like you need very much income to succeed. Do the school do the make money. Don’t do the buy the big house and car and all the crap. Live in an 8X8 room with a T.V. Yea that’s right smaller than a prison cell. Save your dam money and rise above the condition of indentured servant. Earn your freedom.

  17. Anonymous February 20, 2007 at 7:14 am

    that picture appears to be 90% naked men. interesting development…the references to “hot woman” have actually been about “chicks with dicks.” this just adds to your general awesomeness.

    top or bottom?

    i would guess a switch hitter?

  18. Anonymous February 20, 2007 at 10:11 am

    I know your so-called “alpha male”, mr. anonymous. he works 100 hours a week to build a business. this will probably go on for like 4 more years. afterwards, it’s only a guessing game if he will be very wealthy. i don’t think you know anything about being an “alpha male”.

    An alpha male is a man who has the BALLS to follow his dream, whether it’s making boatloads of money or sailing around the world or fucking lots of hot girls. He may or may not succeed, but he lives his life and goes for it 100%.

    A beta male bitches and whines about how he doesn’t have money, pussy, a worthwhile career, or whatever. I agree with the other Anons that Roosh is BETA. He is full of sloth, envy, hate, and self-loathing. Beta to the max.

  19. mhm February 20, 2007 at 1:03 pm

    malaise = beta

    Who are you channelling these days, Jimmy Carter?

  20. BEAVE February 20, 2007 at 3:15 pm

    “That’s what the niggers don’t realize. If I got one thing against the black chappies, it’s this -no one gives it to you. You have to take it.”

    Shawn-WHAT THE FUCK DUDE? I mean is this OK to say now? I was all ready to put a comment until I saw this shit. And what disturbs me the most is no one who commented after him said anything about the ignorant, racist, comment he made. Are these the feelings of everybody who comments on this site? This really saddens me, but it also opens my eyes up to the fact that this world is fucked up and it’s because of people like you Shawn.

  21. The Dude February 20, 2007 at 5:26 pm

    This is not an alpha/beta thing. Totally annoying that people are trying to turn it into one.

    You have posted on this topic before and I think this whole issue boils down to this: You can either work hard at a job you love or you can look at your job as a means to get money. Personally, I look at things as a bit of a compromise between the two and I think a lot of people look at it that way.

    I like what I do and it is rare that I wish I wasn’t at work or depressed because of my job. I am lucky because of that, but there are plenty of days where I would rather be skiing or fishing, but the reality is that I don’t think I would be fulfilled being a ski instructor or a fishing guide– I prefer what I do. I make a good deal of money and the income potential is such that I do not worry too much about having the things I am hoping for in life.

    You seem to not be enjoying what you do and I think this may be in part because you have a highly technical job. You’re an engineer and you perform a particular task– unless you love science I can see how this could get depressing. I would consider branching out into something you have more interest in. You’ve obviously flirted with this idea before. Go back to school or write a travel book if you are looking for something more extreme, but you might be pleased with something as simple as getting a gig as a bartender again and looking into starting a small bar (you could probably do it with the right financing and connections and in your case you have mentioned you have a friend whose family owns restaurants).

    If none of these things seem to cut it then I would consider something more drastic- join the peace corps for 2 years. It will stop your student loans, allow you to do something positive. Other than that– I suggest saving up to travel for a year.

  22. The fourth grade teacher BEAVE never had February 20, 2007 at 7:32 pm


    Wow. “Quotation marks”… ever hear of them? Has nobody ever explained to you what they are used for?

    And seriously, if you’re going to take that comment (a comment from a recent and critically acclaimed Hollywood blockbuster, no less!) as an indication of how fucked up the world today is… at least have the common courtesy to direct your self-righteous indignation to the proper person. I’m sure Mr. Scorsese would be more than happy to let you borrow his “Jump to Conclusions Mat”.

    Learn to read before you start calling other people ignorant, champ.

  23. BEAVE February 21, 2007 at 11:09 am

    To my forth grade teacher:

    Quotation marks or not, what was the relevants of that quote? If he wanted to say that in order to get something, you must take it, why didn’t he just say that? That quote was unnecessary and in applicable, especially since roosh is Turkish. Maybe I went ape-ship too fast; I think I was just shocked to see the ol “N word” in a post. Oh, and FUCK YOU!

  24. gunslingergregi February 21, 2007 at 11:21 am

    Where are you from beave I get to hear the n word about a thousand times a day on bad days. Whether music or talking.

  25. BEAVE February 21, 2007 at 11:59 am

    I’m from DC but I don’t surround myself with people who use that word a lot. And I hate rap! That word doesn’t normally offend me. I don’t give any particular word that much power. It’s the intent behind any word that offends. But for people who use it every other sentence; well that shows how articulate they really are.

  26. Reply-To-Anonymous February 21, 2007 at 6:37 pm

    Mr Anonymous has a very valid point about not being a slave to the man and is correct in his point about alphaness.

    To be the complete alpha male in the true raw, wild sense of the word it require balls to be able to stick it to the man and live with the consequences of doing so.

    In defense of the author, he has definately proven his alpha status but is undoubtably limited by the fear of the impact such drastic actions would have on social and economic aspects in his environment.This fear is a rational reaction to the analysis of such an action by an educated individual who is aware of his environment and is self-aware of the potential risks.

    The dude sums it up nicely in one of my favourite films, the big lebowski:

    What makes a man ?
    Is it. . . is it, being prepared to do the right thing? Whatever the price? Isn’t that what makes a man?

    Sure. That and a pair of testicles.

    Apologies for the essay 🙂

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