Masculine Conservatism

It’s apparent that the manosphere is giving rise to a new school of thought. Whether you are visiting a game blog, an MRA site, or an MGTOW forum, there are a lot of commonalities in our belief systems that don’t match existing ideologies.

A few months ago I wrote an article on traditional conservativism. Here’s an excerpt:

Traditional conservatives can be boiled down into believing that not all change is good. They look to the past for what was lost and how to recapture it while liberals look to the future for what more can be gained in the form of expanded rights, new privileges, birth control subsidies, and dole money. Both offer a counterbalance to society, with one side hitting the brakes while the other hits the gas.

I think it can be argued that in the past 30 years all we’ve done is hit the gas, with very little thought of how that progress impacts human behavior. The pedal is now to the metal while we all race down the highway in the dark of night without wearing out seatbelts. Traditional conservatives highlight the deadly accidents and say, “Look at this, we need to slow down!” while the left yells, “Fuck it, we need to keep going!”

But how much of the tradcon ideology really matches what you and I believe today? Last time I checked, most of us are not ready to marry a virgin or forgo playing the game. We’re not in a hurry to raise a family. Instead, we seek periods of hedonism to be slightly balanced with more traditional viewpoints that accept reality and human biology.

I thought of what are the most common beliefs in the manosphere. Here they are:

1. Men and women are genetically different, not only physically but mentally. Sex roles evolved in all animals. They did not exempt humans.

2. Free-market capitalism is the most efficient means of economic growth.

3. Libertarianism could be an effective means to prevent government overreach into the lives of citizens.

4. Women are sluts if they sleep around, but men are not. This fact is due to the biological differences in gender.

5. Socialism, feminism, and cultural Marxism will bring down society because it eliminates the family unit and decreases the fertility rate. Entitlements soon outstrip the diminishing tax base.

6. Men drop out of the reproductive game if there is no incentive for them to reproduce.

7. Past traditions and rituals had purposes that benefited family and, in turn, society.

8. Elimination of traditional gender roles and the promotion of unlimited mating choice will unleash hypergamy in females, preventing family formation.

9. A woman’s worth coincides with her fertility and her beauty. A man’s worth coincides with his resources.

10. The most stable family is a man providing the bread while the wife stays home to feed it to offspring.

11. Democracies devolve into welfare states as citizens vote for the candidate who gives them the most money.

12. Testosterone is the biological cause for masculinity. Environmental changes that reduce the hormone’s concentration in men will cause them to be weaker and more feminine.

It’s possible for you not to agree with all twelve beliefs, but chances are you believe at least half if you’re a regular reader of mine. If I were to pull a random feminist off the street and show her this list, she would believe absolutely none of them. In fact, if one of your more liberal friends finds out that these are your beliefs, she will think about ways to start a whisper campaign, either online or off, to deal with your thought crime that goes so strongly against what she believes to be truth.

I’m not a fan of inventing terms or names, and if you read my game literature you’ll notice how I find normal language to be quite capable in describing ways to seduce a woman, but we need a name to describe the world that we think best reflects our shared beliefs. “Red pill” is one, but it often refers to a way of thinking, not the content. I believe the phrase “masculine conservatism” fits better for these specific beliefs.

Now imagine if it was acceptable to discuss these ideas on a university level. Imagine if a men’s rights speaker could participate in a campus lecture without getting harassed. Imagine the volume of data that would be published if we had educational backing. Imagine if you could post your own thoughts under your full name and solicit public feedback without jeopardizing your future employment. Feminism is so strong not because their ideas are strong, but because they’ve accumulated power that limits the development and publication of our thoughts. We’ve been reduced to posting mostly anonymous essays on the internet, disorganized with no guiding mission.

But even in this disorganization is rising new ideas that are challenging the status quo. It’s up to each of us to decide how much farther we want to take these ideas, or if we want to hide them and let only our opponents enjoy free speech while we remain marginalized. The feminists were the underdog once, and look how far they’ve come. I have no doubts that we can do the same.

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HCE
HCE
7 years ago

I was thinking about this some time ago and concluded that, no, despite some of my beliefs being conservative and the fact that I recognize some positive effects of conservatism, I am not a conservative.

Put plainly, I don’t care what the change is. Let the human society evolve, love, abandon or support family, die out, breed, build temples to gods or consumerism. I don’t care.

The one thing I do care about, though, is truth. That is the key ingredient missing from today’s world. The modern mainstream media is full of bald-faced lies about rape culture, gender pay gap, discrimination, sexism, gender differences, etc. Today’s women openly lie about what they find attractive (i.e. nice guy vs. jerk debate). Today’s men rationalize that morbidly obese women are attractive. And so on and so on.

I could be happy with most changes as long as no one lied about them. I could live happily with any slutty empowered woman as long as she didn’t spin bullshit about what she wants. Just no deceit, please. It’s the deceit that makes me angry.

Evan McLaren
7 years ago

I’m wondering–will the university be replaced? It is now a joke. My thesis-writing seminar in college included students who could barely string together a sentence.

I wonder if intellectual life will take a new course.

Days of Broken Arrows
Days of Broken Arrows
7 years ago

Roosh had made an offhand comment somewhere that girls are now being raised as boys. This idea, I think, needs to be explored deeper.

Moms and dads give their daughters “power” names like Madison and Sloane, prep them for college, sports, careers…and the entire idea of motherhood/homemaker is seen as obsolete, a relic. Even one generation ago you still had girls taking home economics. Now all that is gone.

Mentioning this gets feminists screaming, but why incentive does any man really have to marry a female version of himself (or, to quote Frank Zappa, “a slightly more voluptuous version of your father”).

I can understand a society that wanted to move some women into the workplace. But a society that completely “progresses” to the point of making traditional women’s roles obsolete is a society with problems. And we see the problems: fat kids, kids without fathers, Ritalin being swallowed like candy, bullying. Do people really not see this all as unrelated and think that kids not getting a full time mom doesn’t affect them?

And conservatives, with their obsessions with economics and material BS, are just as bad as liberals in the way they raise their daughters. They can talk all they want about guns, abortion and hating gay marriage, but they’re the first to put their girls in a soccer uniform, not a skirt.

No man has ever been attracted to a woman in a soccer uniform.

William
7 years ago

Considering “conservatism” in the US especially has been largely hijacked by religious nutjobs – I’d vote for a different name.

But then again, the whole system is flawed.

OldHornDog
OldHornDog
7 years ago

‘masculine conservatism’ – I don’t know – what ever happend to ‘reality’?

I’m not trying to be funny. Whether or not you believe in the list above – it just is. You can debate it to death but that doesn’t change the outcome on a majority of them.

William
7 years ago

@Evan McLaren

I think an interesting trend is occurring, where higher education is going to be more and more filled with women, and more and more men are opting out in order to pursue “experiences” and act on their entrepreneurial ideas.
..or it could just be me and the guys I hang out with and/or pay attention to.

Afroparisien
7 years ago

I believe conservatism in the traditional and fiscal sense is the best solution for our social and economic ills. I also believe traditional conservatism is what middle-class families should go by.

abe
abe
7 years ago

“2. Free-market capitalism is the most efficient means of economic growth.”

“10. The most stable family is a man providing the bread while the wife stays home to feed it to offspring.”

This is a contradiction. Free-market capitalism requires two working spouses. The average man cannot support a wife and children on his income alone.

Decades and decades ago, it might have been the case that the average man could afford a wife who stays home, but the technological and economic progress which have occurred under the free market have devalued the average man’s ability to attain resources, and thus the lifestyle of having a stay at home wife.

Moreover, free market capitalism itself requires the population to be mobile and willing to relocate. Thus, people aren’t as likely to live near their immediate genetic kin. A housewife will be staying home in a neighborhood in which people only have superficial friendly relations. Thus she’ll get bored and demand more…kinda like Betty Friedan.

Admit it, the ONLY way to achieve what you want, Roosh, is to socio-economically gimp the female population by law/customs or raise them to be satisfied as housewives. Good luck!

soundtrack
soundtrack
7 years ago
RootlessTorontonian
RootlessTorontonian
7 years ago

This discussion of “masculine” conservatism is incomplete without some discussion of the poisonous nature of multiculturalism, which destroys sense of community and fosters an atmosphere of mutual distrust and suspicion; it does this by imposing rigidly defined ethnic boundaries over what was once a socially cohesive traditional society, which only serves to further alienate and isolate people. Until people realize how damaging the relativistic ideology of cultural pluralism is; unless people realize how destructive the massive annual influx of foreigners into western countries is, all hopes for a return to a traditionalist order are a pipe dream.

Growing up as a deracinated cosmopolitan in a multicultural society, the call of Blut und Boden is a very powerful one indeed.

Roosh?

dragnet
dragnet
7 years ago

“It’s possible for you not to agree with all twelve beliefs, but chances are you believe at least half if you’re a regular reader of mine.”

Very important to say this explicitly–complete ideological purity is not necessary here in the manosphere.

“If I were to pull a random feminist off the street and show her this list, she would believe absolutely none of them. In fact, if one of your more liberal friends finds out that these are your beliefs, she will think about ways to start a whisper campaign, either online or off, to deal with your thought crime that goes so strongly against what she believes to be truth.”

I’m fairly liberal–at least by manosphere standards–and I agree with more than half of the statements.

Wilson
Wilson
7 years ago

abe, division of labor does not contradict the free market. Now men might not be able to support a wife any more, but women generally have such meager productivity that they can’t even support themselves without government sinecures and subsidies. Get rid of the government distortions of the market, and compensation for real productivity will rise; there still might be a gap, but cut women’s frivolous spending, and reallocate 1/4 of them to live in brothels and garment sweatshops, and we are on the road to success!

abe
abe
7 years ago

Then you’d have to explain why Betty Friedan’s-esque feminism arose in the first place. I read parts of “The Feminine Mystique” and my response was: What she’s complaining about is essentially free-market capitalism relocating and uprooting people away from their kin. If all those stay at home wives had their siblings and cousins living nearby to give them a more active and meaningful social life as their husbands worked, then there’d be less of a reason to complain about being a bored housewife. Even if you take away affirmative action for women and all that, it still remains at the end of the day that a lot of women are smarter and more productive than a lot of men, and the free market will give considerable incentive to those women to put use to those talents for a considerable portion of their lives.

Ironically, it is free-market capitalism itself that so often causes the breakdown of communities and social ties which traditional conservative values.

Hades
Hades
7 years ago

I like the term “masculine conservatism”. If you take the converse, “masculine liberalism”, you basically make the term meaningless because the only necessity towards being masculine would be existing as a male.
In that world (today, unfortunately), a man would demand to be seen and treated as a man even if he were a simpering pussy beggar or radical feminist.
Women could take this up as well as feminine conservatives, i.e – acting and looking like actual women instead of tattooed slags.

Arthur
Arthur
7 years ago

Roosh

I think that is a great list of principles. I agree with them all. However I think you need a starting point or core. For me that starting point is the choice people have between being lazy or focusing on doing something valuable using their own brains. Liberals are too lazy to think and so rely on feelings. They would rather be parasites than create something of value on their own.

Liberals also believe that everything come from the environment, even gender. Whereas I believe that we are all born with are own personalities and we choose whether to let the environment have any impact on us or not. That choice requires effort and so I believe the core difference between people is whether they are willing to make an effort or not.

Vincent Vinturi
7 years ago

#12 is scary, Roosh. The testosterone levels and sperm counts of men just ONE generation prior were double to TRIPLE what they are in the generation.

The flipside of unbridled capitalism is that the means justify the ends (money), even if the means release harmful, estrogen-like compounds into the environment, which chemically castrate men and disrupt hormone balance in women as well.

However, hearkening to bygone archetypes of a ‘real man’ is futile. This is a new age, a completely new situation and longing for the dead past ignores more proactive ways to move forward as human beings.

The family unit is obsolete. It is the cause of the majority of neuroses and dysfunctions. It has virtually no evolutionary precedent or reason. The TRIBE raised children and thus children were exposed to MANY different men and women; many different ways to be. In short, a fluidity and wealth of experience.

Men SHOULD drop out of the reproductive game… This earth is about 5x more populated than it can sustain. The people in poor countries have no money for entertainment, so they have sex for recreation. It’s free.

We don’t need any more children for at least several decades. Yet people have children to boost their ego, that they created a little-me.

jesse
7 years ago

Perhaps the real revolutionary act for Western men will be finding good, traditional women and starting families, thereby raising a new generation in this way of thinking.

Armenian
Armenian
7 years ago

Problem is men make decisions and develop opinions based on facts and logic while women make decisions and opinions based on emotions which is wrong on so many levels. Hence the reason you now see this obsession with political correctness in the liberal media.

John Rambo
John Rambo
7 years ago

A disorganized movement is very powerful and cannot be stopped.

Beware agents like Paul Elam who are intentionally destroying the antifeminism movement by turning it into a politically correct hogwash and allowing all kinds of stupid bitches to post articles on his A Voice for Men website. Some of the ladies who he allows to post on it site openly promote feminist arguments. Paul Elam is an agent whose sole purpose is to derail the antifeminism movement.

Soup
Soup
7 years ago

I only agree with the parts of “red-pill/masculine conservatism” that relate to game and helping me get laid.

I don’t agree with economic side of this paradigm you describe, and I believe their are other people on the forum who feel the same way. If I recall, I remember Tuth even wrote an article for ROK on red-pill liberals.

On a personal level, I’m sort of like this- I want women to be feminine, sexy, and I want it to be easier for me to get them.

On the larger societal level, I don’t believe that there is a strong enough connection between game and the economic politics you outline.

I guess I’m just a game purist and don’t really care about those bigger things unless they will make it easier for me to get laid. I actually consider myself to liberal when it comes to most politics.

I think everyone should have access to the basic necessities in life (a decent place to live, food, health care, and education).

Raise the level of education of poor people, and you will have less of them. You will have less black mom’s throwing their babies at people on busses. This is my gamble.

ken
ken
7 years ago

If we lived like our parents did, we could make do on one income. My father was a mill worker. We had one used car, a Studebaker. One black and white television, no stereo, a 78 rpm record player, a two bedroom, one bath, rented house, with no air conditioning, for a family of five, one AM radio. We went to the movies once a week and took a vacation to Florida once a year.

Eventually my mother got a part-time job because she wanted more stuff. I think it led to my parents divorce.

I call myself a libertarian.

ken
ken
7 years ago

BTW, I think all twelve of your points are valid.

Eric Diaz
Eric Diaz
7 years ago

This is the last time I will visit this blog. There were some good things that I learned from this blog, and for that I am grateful. But Roosh is not a free thinker. He despises the radical feminist approach, by saying that it is just a way of gaining power over man, and therefore is not good. While advocating the same thing but on the opposite direction. Which it only seems natural since he is a male. His approach is just as flawed, as the approach of a feminazi.

And his best argument to justify his position is more or less that “Men have a penis, there is a gender difference, therefore…”

What Roosh is demanding from the opposite sex is submission. At least, that is what lies in the abstract.

I think there are better approaches to this issue, in which both sides benefit from, and the satisfaction that gender differences needs can be fulfilled.

Alias_Alice
Alias_Alice
7 years ago

# 1, 2, 3, 6, 10, 11 and 12, or over half of the list, are factual statements, not value statements, so could be argued empirically. Others have empirical components. … 12 is contentious, at the very least; 1 and 2 have rigorous scientific backing- and most people dealing effectively with dating and mating in their normal lives accept 1 to a degree and see evidence for it with their own eyes. While factual beliefs may be associated with values, goals, etc, and that is interesting from a social science perspective (why the association? Underlying personality or cultural variables uniting the analysis of what is true with the feeling of what is desirable), I see them as a separate category from political position. … a) what is true?, and b) how do you feel about it? … Suppose mommy staying home is the most stable family unit. How much more stable? Stable in what way- the marriages are more stable? Perhaps those statistics include selection bias with regard to the individuals entering. Does the fact that most surveyed women with small children want to work part-time matter to how people feel about ‘stability’? Is it less stable: In what fraction of cases would said marriages desolve due to women’s part-time work? How do you feel about it: Should this wealthy society not accept women into expensive programs like medicine because they will be less productive if they work flexibly and/or part-time when they have children, or is a sense of individual justice- that an individual should not be legally barred from something they meet competency standards to do because people with the same value of statistic X as them (here, gender) do Y longterm in 80% of cases (I made that number up), etc. … Maybe I don’t have a coherent point to this comment. Two points. You say that believing half this list puts you in a group- a group you are trying to pin down by making this list, a group that seems different from right-left categorizations from the past and present that you’ve been exposed to. What I find interesting is that, because half this list consists of factual statements, conceivably everyone reasonable (that is, people who can be swayed by argument. And I think most people can) could be part of that ‘group’, provided those statements were true and could be argued well and disseminated widely… I had no second point, really. I was just interested in a discussion. … And it is true that stating some of those empirical beliefs with university women is problematic and can get you yelled at. I emptied a room (literally) in first year for saying quite calmly and innocently (I was young) that I thought the idea that women are discriminated against in the work world was overstated. I also had people get mad at me for saying there’s nothing wrong with wanting to be thin and men prefer thin women, as evidence by porn, men’s mag models, etc. The replies contradicted themselves. I thought it was a parody of real life that I’d entered. I learned to be quiet after that, at least during undergrad. … My friends are cool, so they don’t get mad, even though they disagree (feminists aren’t all censors), but it’s still unfun, because without a basis of accepted facts, you can’t talk about much, really. It just boils down to “You should read this.”, “Well, you should read this.”

RootlessTorontonian
RootlessTorontonian
7 years ago

The hydra has three heads: multiculturalism, feminism and liberalism. These three must be destroyed.