The Medellín Diaries Postmortem

I wrote about Karl because he is the human form of Medellín. It’s interesting how some guys are Colombia guys, some are Brazil guys, and some are Argentina guys. Each attracts a distinct personality. I’m a Brazil guy, a place that isn’t even on Karl’s radar. Karl is Medellín, Medellín is Karl. The city is made for guys like him.

A few people commented that he is a “loser” or “pathetic,” but I never thought that of him. Though he had his drug issues, I enjoyed his company and was truly saddened when he left. At risk of sounding gay, I looked forward to when he would come in my room to regale me with crazy stories from his past. Sometimes I even left my door halfway open to encourage him.

I can see how Karl could be considered a loser by most hyper-educated American office workers. He doesn’t have a car, a condominium, disposable income for fancy restaurant dining, and he certainly doesn’t have health insurance or a retirement savings. He’s not well-read. He goes against everything us Westerners are trained to become, but if I had a choice between spending a night with Karl or with educated Chad, the dutiful government contractor with pleasant features, I’m going with Karl every time. One is interesting and exciting while the other is safe and boring. A night out with Karl was a trip into the unknown, with a level of uncertainty that I had trouble handling at times.

I’m not trying to justify Karl’s lifestyle, but it works perfectly for him. He’s with the beautiful girl he wants, back in Colombia in the apartment that they share, doing his booze and drugs, barely working, hatching his next scam. He’s living his dream and I respect him for that. There’s not a lot of people I can say that for. Fact is most do what they’re told, not what they desire.

If I ever run out of things to write about, all I have to do is hit up Karl and tell him to start from the top. I think his life would be a very successful book. I’d definitely include his business plan on how to run a successful trans-Atlantic cocaine empire. It’s all about having a GPS system worked out, he said. What you have to do is…

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“Fact is most do what they’re told, not what they desire. ” … I like that. I loved Karls story.

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Karl is the man!

I’d read a book about this guy

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The reason a guy would want to hang out with Karl is the same reason why girls pick bad boys: they’re fun, interesting, and are a trip into the unknown.

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I can see what you are getting at. Here’s the thing though-will all that drugs and alcohol make Karl ultimately happy? My guess is no. They are temporary crutches and while he is living how he wants to live, the path might not be the right one. Same as the one boring old Chad takes as well. The quest for happiness is a common human goal and you have to dig within to obtain lasting peace and happiness.

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i agree completely, he sounds awesome

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cliffhanger.

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Crazy drug stories are interesting, but only interesting if they happened to you. One would figure you’d have some crazy stories to tell in your diaries given that you’ve lived in poverty and committed yourself to banging chicks. It’s a surprise then that what can be assumed to be the best of the diaries is a retelling of stories from a drug addict.

Shit, you should just move to Miami. Latin chicks, Spanish spoken, and bars full of guys with addictions and incredible stories. Karl is by no means unique and after you’ve met enough of his type they aren’t worth writing about anymore. Drug addicts, like middle-class American desk jockeys, are in the end all the same. Not losers, or winners, or even pathetic, just people living out a scripted life.

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Who died? Post mortem I mean..

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The reason a guy would want to hang out with Karl is the same reason why girls pick bad boys: they�re fun, interesting, and are a trip into the unknown.
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No you’re wrong. The reason girls go after the “bad guy” is because those guys impose expectations and demands on girls (like frequent sex, respect for men and non-bitch behavior).

They are men who say what they mean and mean what they say. If she fails to meet his expectations (as outlined above) he kicks her to the curb and moves on to the next girl. He does not put pussy on a pedestal or perceive it to be more valuable than himself.

THAT is what it means to be a bad boy and THAT is why girls are attracted to them – bad boys bring direction and masculine authority into the female’s life, something the mangina male has trouble doing because he worships the ground women walk on.

You don’t have to be a thug to be a bad boy.
You don’t have to be unemployed and black to be a bad boy
“Bad boy” is just code for a man who leads his bitch and their relationship with an iron fist.

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There’s this new Stoli commercial with Hugh Hefner that asks, “Would you have a drink with you?” It’s simple but if you really think about it it’s a great way to self-critique yourself.

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Jesse I agree. Have met many people like Karl. In the end, they are not all that uncommon.

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Dakota, if there’s one thing you don’t want to do, is to take cues from the clownish pop culture of a crumbling society…

Here read this free book and understand it’s not your dick size, clothing choice, cologne or dancing monkey routine that matters: http://www.manhood101.com/

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Hey Roosh,

You said in the piece that Karl spent many days flirting with girls on the internet. What sites did he use?

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I’d like to hear more about the business plan

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I’d read that book for sure.

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it’s really impossible to criticize Karl about his choices unless he wasn’t happy. If he was moody, depressed, then I’d suggest he do something productive. But he’s getting paid and getting laid. What more do you need.

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very well put.

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Jesse #7 sounds like a 1up dude that no matter what story you tell or write, he has one way better or does it better on the reg. Playa please

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>He’s living his dream and I respect him for that. There’s not a lot of people I can say that for. Fact is most do what they’re told, not what they desire.

There’s a line in the Pink Floyd song ‘Time’ about people ‘hanging on in quiet desperation’ living stifled lives as being ‘The English way.’ A guy like Karl is living completely his own way, making his own mistakes. Most people live quiet lives because they’re afraid to make mistakes, afraid of society’s condemnations, and afraid they’ll wake up old and filled with regrets. And then they wake up old and regret that they didn’t do more with their lives.

What makes a guy like Karl so interesting (and attractive to women) is that he has completely shucked off all of society’s expectations and is living out his dreams completely according to Karl. And that is very wild, scary, and yet attractive to most women living their own lives of quiet desperation, because everyone not living out their dream envies those who are.

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Your outlook on Karl reminds me of a line from an old song by Billy Joel (Vienna) —
“You know that when the truth is told that you can get what you want or you can just get old”.

I wouldn’t wait too long to interview Karl.
I don’t see a long, coherent future for him.

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You can argue about something called “retirement savings” but it is downright foolish not to have a health insurance if you can afford it. Karl has a serious drug/alcohol problem he should work on. Being drunk and drugged all the time wouldn’t be my idea of fun. He’s not a failure if he is happy with what he does in life.

I guess his marriage won’t last long. Guys like him are not made for that. Doesn’t he see that? I’ve seen many girls fall for his type though. They love them and love to care for them, yet whine about them all day long. At least he doesn’t beat her up, or does he?

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“but if I had a choice between spending a night with Karl or with educated Chad, the dutiful government contractor with pleasant features, I’m going with Karl every time”

I’ll buy that. But would you do business with him? Even his scams? I certainly wouldn’t. Society would be a mess if everybody was like Karl. Society needs the boring bastards so life artists like him can prosper. That said, Karl stills serves as a sort of inspiration to take life not too serious as none of us will make it out alive in the end.

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enjoyed these stories, esp anything about karl, but the party with his gf’s family and how totally wasted he got was sad. I think he is unfortunately heading for a bad end, but I hope I’m wrong. and if he sobers up, how interesting will he be then?

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lol @ Chad

Drug abusers are usually wife beaters not always. I have friend similar to Karl, very interesting but the guy has stories for days, gets women, etc. But deep down he is miserable, but he doesn’t know any other way

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I’ve noticed that when you write about men you know, you have a weird habit of putting them up on pedestals. It’s really telling.
What’s the difference between banging a dude and worshiping a dude?
A. Having their dick in your ass.

You are getting closer to fag every day.

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haha…a lot of Karl analysis going on here. In reality, its impossible to know about Karl’s level of satisfaction or what his future holds.

However, most guys with his type of lifestyle, unless he’s very young and its just a brief phase, do statistically have much shorter lifespans.

If they don’t die relatively young, then their older years become more difficult than their younger years. Thats the problem with working toward nothing. When your older, not good looking, and have less energy to work for things, you still don’t have shit but your needs are still just as great. You have to replicate the same hustler lifestyle, into middle and old age, as when you were young. I’ve seen it firsthand, and its not pretty. Luckily, Karl comes from the ultimate socialist state and will likely have some type of social support no matter what. In the USA, not so much.

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“I’m a Brazil guy, a place that isn’t even on Karl’s radar.”
You should write a post about “The Brazil Guy”.

@solo
The colombian equivalent to Karl certainly is. Wife beating is a national sport in latin america, actually second after soccer.

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I liked the diary.

Karl sounds a hell of a lot more fun to hang around with than some boring DC govt. office drone.

Fuck the haters.

They will die in their little fucking cubicles

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@ Chad and Roosh,

If Karl is from Sweden, he doesn’t need a health insurance. The health system is free and effective in Scandinavia.

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“Luckily, Karl comes from the ultimate socialist state and will likely have some type of social support no matter what.”
That’s why Swedes pay the highest taxes in the world. And I mean the highest! Except Karl. LOL

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you should let karl do some guest posts. the world according to karl.

the “problem” with guys like karl is that they burn out fast and hard. some become unfunctioning addicts. others just melt into obscurity, exhausted from abusing their bodies. and some die young. but damn if it isn’t fun on the way down.

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i didnt think the post mortem was neccessary Roosh…kinda ruined the story by analysing it..thats the PUA in you haha

Guys dont have to be good or bad or common or uncommon to tell a good story.

Anyone read any Chuck Bowkoski? They guy had the most up and down sometimes miserable, one could say boring, and definitely a simple life but fuck me he can tell a good story. You can feel the human essence of Hank in all Bukowski’s book…I could feel Karl in your writing.

You got some talent mate. I would look at focusing on your creative writing over the game stuff…or at least incorporate more personal writing into your game blog

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I can respect what you say about Karl living life on the edge. But I will bet that if he continues his life this way and somehow survives and hits his late 40’s he’d be quite the washed up train wreck.

Do you recall the end of part 5 you mentioned you met a 53 year old guy asking you where to get some weed? What did you think of him? Well that is Karl in 30 years.

In contrast I met a guy who is 46, and American gringo who is living in Argentina. Guy’s a straight edge mo-fo. Always takes care of himself. He drinks bottled water at the clubs he goes to, I’ve actually seen it. But he stands 6’3″with a shaved head, and weighs in about 190 lbs. And he has a stunning 20 something Argentine girlfriend who is to die for. The difference is that he does live in that country, which could account for his success while someone like yourself who is only visiting gets the bullshit run around.

My point is that there is a price for everything. Think of it as sampling perfume; I would rather gently savor the essence of life, rather than snort it up my nose fast and hardcore.

Just my 2 cents. Nonetheless, I am enjoying your stories.

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#27 Chad

“The colombian equivalent to Karl certainly is. Wife beating is a national sport in latin america, actually second after soccer.”

LOL that might be the funniest thing i’ve ever read in my life. JESUS

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I’ve never bought into the idea that people who hold down profitable careers and devote substantial portions of their lives to building up financial security are miserable stiffs and conformists. Though it can certainly lead to that, and does in many cases. It’s important to find a healthy balance. There are lots of people who do the corporate wage slave life for most of the year, but also spend a couple months travelling on holidays every year.

Admittedly, this is virtually impossible in America due to lack of vacation time granted by employers, but in other western countries I rarely meet anyone who takes less than 6 weeks holidays from work each year to just bum around travelling and partying. I get where guys like Karl are at – they don’t want any responsibility at all and the party must never end. But people who do work hard, own homes/land, have retirement savings built up and balance that with travel and personal fun aren’t boring, conformist losers.

I don’t think Roosh was necessarily implying this, but alot of people seem to think that you can only be a corporate drone or a lifelong bohemian backpacker and there’s no inbetween.

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“But people who do work hard, own homes/land, have retirement savings built up and balance that with travel and personal fun aren’t boring, conformist losers”.

Many are.

Many aren’t.

But its not about being a “conformist” or not. I always find that hilarious when people use for their criteria. I rarely meet a true non-conformist. And who cares, anyway, unless they’re a pathological conformist or otherwise act like someone other than themselves.

And whats a loser? I would define that as someone who fails to live their life the way they want to. That is, someone who fails to meets their goals. Usually, people who meet their goals, whatever they are, are happy.

Its about being happy.

Many, many corporate people with savings and families are unhappy. Many are not. However, I would be suspicious of anyones claim to happiness who is also under crushing debt or has a wife whom they have grown to dislike. What are the chances of the average american male avoiding both fates? Its not the majority, for sure.

And just because someone is happy, doesn’t mean that they aren’t boring to others. Theres no real correlation there. Usually people with the same groundhog day type lives become boring after a while. Theres nothing wrong with it. Its just the way it is. Lack of new experience will do that to someone.

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Karl’s problem is that he can’t delay his need for gratification. You can get away with that crap into your 30s, but eventually he’ll devolve into a burden for state social programs (at best) or a criminal (at worst). Good thing he’s from Sweden. He can always fall back on his gov’t and be supported by all those office drones you thumb your nose at.

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sometimes a karl is just a karl.

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@38…As I said before, that’s something the Karl’s of the world will never understand. It’s typical of Scandinavians in particular. Instead of balancing work and play, they insist on their “right” to fuck around on the dole all of their lives.

It’ll be interesting to see how they’re doing in 20 or 30 years when the scant minority of Europeans who pay taxes are retired and/or dead. They’ll have to “lower” themselves to setting an alarm clock and working 10 months of the year. Spare time out of the cubicle will have to be reserved for living in buddhist temples and eating bugs in sub saharan africa.

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European birth rates are falling however there is a lot of islamic immigration and increasing birth rates. It will be interesting to see the dynamics change. Marriage and kids are a losing proposition for men in western countries anyway.

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Roosh, what are the basics of what makes an “Argentina guy”, a “Brazil guy” and a “Columbia guy” if you had to boil it down? I’m thinking of travelling to South America within the next 2 years or so and I want to know which place may appeal to me the most.

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@virgle kent
you’re welcome but I was only half-joking. This is a serious issue down there. May have something to do with a latin macho mentality going overboard. You’ll gain a big plus with the ladies just for not being a beater. Don’t confuse it with being a nice guy though, as they do not appreciate that and will crap all over you if you do so. Be a strong leader and never take any shit from them, but don’t beat them up either. Be a macho and treat them like a whore in bed and like a princess outside of bed. Deep down, that’s what they expect from you, but they will never admit this openly. Latin culture is different from ours, despite all the superficial commonalities. It’s similar to the Arab culture (arab not muslim).

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“As I said before, that’s something the Karl’s of the world will never understand. It’s typical of Scandinavians in particular. Instead of balancing work and play, they insist on their “right” to fuck around on the dole all of their lives.”

Who cares.

God bless people who don’t waste away their lives in cubicles.

In fact, one of my favorite shows right now on TV is a show called “The Dudesons” on MTV. It stars 4 Finnish guys in their late 20s/early 30s who go around doing stupid stuns (more extreme than even Jackass), living with various people in the USA and having sex with bitches. They are having fun with their lives, unlike the office drones.

“It’ll be interesting to see how they’re doing in 20 or 30 years when the scant minority of Europeans who pay taxes are retired and/or dead. They’ll have to “lower” themselves to setting an alarm clock and working 10 months of the year. Spare time out of the cubicle will have to be reserved for living in buddhist temples and eating bugs in sub saharan africa.”

Who knows…who cares.

20 or 30 years from now we could all be dead. Worrying too much about the future is so fucking beta.

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Hatching his next scam . . . .

He is a parasite on the productive members of society, and you admire this lowlife? That’s patehetic.

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All you have is now. Not yesterday, not tomorrow. Life is too short to not take a chance on somthing or someone you love.

However, life is much too long for you to have desperate, needy game. Much too long for that shit.

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Is there anything going on between you and Karl? I won’t judge you

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Chad, good comments. Got to find the right balance with those Latinas, but no violence. Agree about Spanish cultures being similar to Arab, but not Muslim culture. Of course, being occupied by the Moors (Arabs and Berbers) for 700 years might have something to do with it. Spain in many ways is like a Catholic version of a semi Arabic culture.

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@33 “In contrast I met a guy who is 46, and American gringo who is living in Argentina. Guy’s a straight edge mo-fo…. he has a stunning 20 something Argentine girlfriend who is to die for.”

I wanna hear more about this dude, coz it sounds like hes got the argentina girl technique down.

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Your post on lemons, limes and a Spanish idiom was tight. So too were those on losing a toe and fucking sheep. Your life is more interesting than Karl’s–a drug addict from a socialist country that will backstop all his bad choices. Karl can live like he’s got nothing to lose because he really can’t lose. He can go home and the State can take care of him. You, however, do not have that option. Anyone who thinks Karl is interesting or unique has never held a baggy of blow in his life.

I just emailed you some drug addict stories. Pass them off as your own. I know your readers will love them.

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@Jesse,

Please, STFU.

Thanks.