“Men’s Rights” Has Become A Euphemism For “Sexual Loser”

A random comment I made on the blog In Mala Fide has made the rounds a bit. It was in reference to the “Men’s Rights” blogs and forums that I notice popping up everywhere. Here’s the comment:

I’m not against Men’s Rights, but a lot of these blogs are written by guys who have no game and can’t get laid, and serve as just an outlet for being a lifelong sexual loser. It’s like women who get around in their circles to complain about about how men aren’t sensitive or caring enough.

These guys dedicate their time to complaining about feminists or marriage, yet they have zero experience with either! I suspect they are anti-social, bitter virgins who simply don’t have anything else to do with their bountiful free time, too fearful of putting their fragile ego on the line to be a man and actually get laid. They have draining corporate gigs and the only thing they have to look forward to are weekly visits to Chipotle Mexican Grill.

In fact you will not go wrong in life by not listening to a man who can’t get laid. He can be very intelligent but his thoughts are not based on the “real world” where there are guys banging and traveling and starting businesses and having a good time with life. Thinking without doing is nothing but masturbation, something that I suspect these MR bloggers do a lot of.

Now I want you to brace yourself for what I’m about to tell you.

You braced?

A lot of guys in the Men’s Rights community do not believe that game works. Yeah I spit out my vitamin water on the monitor too.

Don’t believe me? Try wallowing through these threads:

Is the “PUA” approach to women valid?

Why the PUAs are winning

(This is a good opportunity to gripe about the misuse of the acronym PUA. It stands for pick-up artist, which is a man who uses the art of game to pick up women. If you say, “I don’t know if I believe in PUA,” you’re saying “I don’t know if I believe in pick-up artist.” That doesn’t make sense. Game is a philosophy (or lifestyle) that is mastered by guys who can be called pick-up artists or players or whatever. I prefer the player term, though it doesn’t seem to be popular among white males.)

Pretend you’re me for a second, and you’ve read comment after comment by guys who don’t believe in game, when you yourself have made a complete 180 because of it. What further proof can I offer than myself, a sexless wonder who started getting laid only after studying and practicing game?

Unfortunately no proof is enough for Men’s Rights followers. I can film my pickups from start to end, using several lines that are word-for-word what you can find here or in Bang, film the resulting three-minute sex act and declarations of affection from the girl, and they’ll still find some way to rationalize that I’m not using game at all. They’ll say I’m a natural, when they don’t understand I’ve been working on my game every week for going on nine years.

They’ll say, “Roosh is naturally funny, or charming, or okay looking. I’m sure he would do well even without game.” Wrong. I’m “funny” because I’ve practiced my jokes on hundreds of girls. I’m “charming” because I’ve measured the reactions of women to see what works and what doesn’t, and kept only that which got the result I wanted. I’m “okay looking” because I work out, tried different styles, learned how to carry myself, and have rigorously experimented with different hair and beard configurations. I can tell you right now where a Jesus haircut would work well for me versus a hipster shag cut.

If you see me pick up today it does look very natural because I’ve integrated all these game component parts into something fluid that works a good percentage of the time, but there was absolutely nothing fluid about my initial attempts to overcome my inability to get laid.

I don’t hide from you guys that I’ve been rejected a million times. Of course I still get rejected to this day, by girls who for some odd reason don’t want to bang me. If you’ve read A Dead Bat In Paraguay you saw how bad it can get. But I’m very open to learning, and I continue to do so no matter how satisfied I’ve become with where I’m at. For example I used the lessons from those tough six months in South America to come to Colombia and do pretty well with the women. In fact I almost wish I had more troubles so that I would have a “problem” to base a sequel on. But there are none, and I know no one wants to read a memoir about a guy who is happy and getting what he wants.

Then the Men’s Rights guys will say, “But he is SELLING books.”

Yes because anyone who’s passionate enough about a topic to spend months or years to compile their life experiences into works that teach others cannot be trusted. If someone has written a book or produced anything of value, do not listen to them! They’re ruthless businessmen in disguise! I wouldn’t even listen to someone who has a blog because they’re obviously doing it for the fame of receiving many visitors or comments (and in the case of male bloggers, groupies). Or else they would simply maintain a diary that rests inside their nightstand. They blog mainly for their ego. Same for people who post on the same forums for years. They have an ulterior motive of wanting to feel special in knowing that other people respect their four-digit post count and are getting something out of their words.

In fact if you think about it, anyone who shares knowledge is suspect. Lately I only gain knowledge from homeless men who talk outloud to themselves because they’re not doing it for money, fame, ego, attention or any type of satisfaction that comes from helping others. Approach anyone else’s words with extreme hesitation.

Hyperbole aside, all men can learn and improve, whether it’s in business, women, sports, or Chinese checkers. To think that getting laid is genetically determined and that you can’t improve—what a horrible way to live! If I had to accept my lot I would probably be in some shitty job not getting laid and feeling miserable about how “unlucky” I am while complaining about how much women suck. I would be a Men’s Rights follower. I would camp out on blogs and forums all day posting “intellectual” comments for other guys who are socially awkward because they are too scared to step away from the computer monitor for one minute and take some social risk by practicing conversation with attractive women.

But if you tell them, “Bro, you need to approach a girl and get some action,” they’ll say, “Stop using shaming language on me!” That’s their comeback. It’s like a little boy on the playground saying, “Don’t make fun of me! I like eating my boogers!” For guys who supposedly love using logic, they are completely unable to properly defend their lack of action, and have insulated themselves in a protective internet bubble where they gang up on the slightest bit of dissent by saying it makes them feel ashamed. They can’t get laid, they supposedly don’t like women (especially Western women) and don’t want to work to bang them, yet they whine and bitch about women all day long.

Now I’ve whined and bitched about women plenty on this blog, and I think it’s especially fun to get on feminsts and American women, but at the end of the day I’m also banging feminists and American women, drinking with them, having a laugh with them, and cuddling with them until I get bored and need a break from their sense of entitlement and masculine attitudes. Variety is the spice of life and the reason you’re reading me right now is because of the wide range of experiences I’ve had with many different types of women. While I wouldn’t mind being a one-hit-wonder by wearing my plaid shirt every night and going to a hipster bar in D.C. to get laid with minimal effort, there wouldn’t be much advice I can share for men of the world.

The bottom line is that a real man puts himself in new, challenging environments and pushes the limits of his ability and character to get what he truly desires. I greatly admire the 21-year-old who goes onto my forum and posts about a brutal rejection, but perserveres and weeks later shares a success story. I admire the three guys I met in Medellin who all rolled up with little Spanish but got their flags in less than two weeks after approaching like machines day and night. I admire the guy who I saw do his first ever bookstore approach and get a long-term girlfriend out of it. You think they give a shit about Men’s Rights? No, because they use game to get laid with the women they want. They believe in action to accomplish their goals, not mental masturbation with a bunch of guys who have trouble telling you what a vagina feels like, yet can’t stop obsessing over it.

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lol 2p2
lol 2p2
11 years ago

lol roosh you callin out 2p2 of course they are bunch of internet nerds….lol

stick to bbv4l, thats where it’s at.

anyway nice analogy to fat bitter chicks….

Your Friend
Your Friend
11 years ago

How often do you get laid, exactly? Seems like you wouldn’t have time to blog so much…

Valmont
Valmont
11 years ago

Game and pua is different. GAME is a set of mindset, behavior and projection while pua is a guy who just collects phone numbers in my own opinion. at the end of the day it’s about quality not quantity otherwise you can go to SA and sleep with cheap hookers all you want.

I’ve been learning game for years and it has helped me a lot. I m now in a semi-relationship with a raging feminist women whom I push her buttons every now and then and guess what she says “she loves me” even if she sees me as a macho.

however I support MR movement when it comes to marriage, because when you get married man the law of the land is in her favor and when people have a lot of options an security they become spoiled and their tolerance level drops. People are selfish creatures and if they can take advantage of something without consequences they will cuz incentives matter.

the secret to keep a women infatuated is to not make her or give her too much security. insecurity is exciting because of the fear of the unknown and fear of loss, it motivates her to work.

now I dont mean to verbally abuse her but I mean when she goes out of line and talks BS then call her on it in a calm demeanor. put her in her place in a coolheaded way, let her EARN your affection.

furthermore, you should never let her feel as if you are not a guy in demand. by the way you walk and talk and behave with other women she can read if you actually have the ability to replace her if she misbehaves or goes out of line.

great books I read on the subject that I recommend everyone are

PIMP:story of my life by Icebergslim
48 laws of power by Robert Greene
Art of Seduction by Robert Greene
Art of Love by Ovid.
ModeOne Alan Roger Currie
Influence by Cialdini

Game in other words is a colloquial term for having a “mating strategy” in my opinion.

every man should develop his “mating strategy” i.e. game

Gordon
Gordon
11 years ago

I thought you wrote that it was much harder to get laid in Colombia than back home and that you were struggling? Maybe not as much as in Argentina, but still.

BTW, after reading Bang (great book!) I’ve wanted to advise you that maybe one of your mistakes in South America is as simple as not shaving and dressing in jeans and T-shirts – that’s perfectly acceptable in America, but in many cultures that will instantly mark you as low-class and destroy your chances with any girls. In countries with a strong class system, subtle issues of class begin to take on a huge importance, an importance that they never had in America, and little aspects of your dress that seem unimportant to you and ARE unimportant back home will immediately put you in the category of lower-class guy and kill your chances with women. The scruffy look can really hurt you in some parts of the world.

It really can be as simple as that – you must be attentive to class distinctions and make an effort to identify with the upper classes. Also, roosh, you don’t necessarily look “white” enough to be immediately pegged as possibly upper class in South America (where the rich are white for the most part), so for you being scruffy or simply dressing in ways no upper class guy would dream of can be particularly deadly.

I used to live in Thailand, and there you simply MUST dress well and avoid scruffy if you want even a distant shot at the quality girls, and there were always a ton of guys who simply REFUSED to alter their dress, and consequently never got the hotties. Oh well.

Dude, LOTS of the Game community is open to the exact same criticisms, and it’s been bothering me for some time now. It’s very clear that a huge section of the Game community is driven not by success and happiness with women but by a kind of extreme bitterness towards women that is almost always the result of failure and loserness.

Honestly, even a lot of the stuff on Roissy’s site and your site are obviously bitterness driven and highly exaggerated negativity about women – I suppose some of this is inevitable when guys like you and Roissy were once betas who never got laid and were “taken in” by the conventional wisdom about women, and are bitter because of that, but it would make the Game community so much better if they didn’t go on and on about how awful women are and instead presented themselves as successful, happy, well balanced guys who figured out what it takes to get a woman’s affections.

All this stuff about how women are uniquely evil or basically amoral for daring to follow their sexual nature and discard a lower quality man for a higher quality one and are so much more blameworthy than men, to take an example, just sounds like so much bitterness, especially when in the next breath men are excused for following THEIR sexual nature and wanting multiple partners and variety and this is presented as merely healthy and “normal”, and anyone who doesn’t accept it is just a man hater. That’s just kiddie stuff, and the bitterness shines through in the double standards.

The Game community would emerge in a much better light if they just stopped blaming women and morally judging them for following their sexual nature, a nature for which the are not responsible, just as they don’t blame men for theirs.

word
word
11 years ago

Foe me, Im a little of both. I agree that there are a lot of hapless dorks that are MRAs (Mens Rights Activists) that inhabit the blogs you are talking about. Those guys have never been laid and are simply bitter and hateful towards women.

There are a few different types of MRAs;

1. The hapless dork who can’t get laid and deeply wants to and blames all women and feminists for his plight. (you covered that one)

2. The guy that used to have game, used to bang multitudes of women, and grew to despise them and quit the game. (that was me at one point, but I have since recovered and there were other factors)

3. Men that have been married and put through a particular traumatic event and gotten raped by the courts.

4. Men that simply hate Western Values and want a foreign bride.

The problem is that these sites attract all three types. They don’t differentiate. And the hapless losers post WAY more and outnumber the real originators of the site. (the 3s and 4s.)

I agree with the 3 and the 4s. The marriage laws in this country are fucked, and feminism is partly to blame for that. Also, the last 2 girls I really clicked with were foreign.

But, like Roosh I still bang American skanks and I have used game in my life. The thing with me is that I learned game when I was 12-13-14 years old so it was just normal to me. I didn’t realize it was game.

The main problem I see with the hapless dorks is that they are lying to themselves. They protest a bit too much. What usually ends up happening to these types of guys is that they fall in love with the first psycho that is stupid enough to fuck them. And they get taken to the cleaners.

The reason I didn’t get taken to the cleaners is because I learned what women were about early on and what marriage was about early on. My “failures with Western skanks” (as the hapless dorks would call it) PROTECTED me from the things that they complain about.

Jesus Christ
Jesus Christ
5 years ago
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Because there are no other tiypes at all and this is totally not bulshit./s

Alkibiades
11 years ago

All men need the techniques of game. I use them every day in my LTR. My co-blogger uses them to pile up notches. In my opinion, those who don’t want to believe that game works still have a lot of hang ups and misconceptions when it comes to the true nature of women.

Alkibiades’s last blog post: Being Fat is Not a Virtue.

Carl Sagan
Carl Sagan
11 years ago

One of the best posts on the blog.

I nominate it for the hall of fame.

Guys need to realize they need to stop whining (leave that for the bitches) and get out there and start DOING shit.

Chris
Chris
11 years ago

Yeah, those guys are lost.

The main difference is that they want to bring back a patriarchal relationship, which I understand to a certain point. Some PUAs beleive in this is well, with their hyper-dominant personalities. I do it to an extent, caveman/direct style or whatever, it works. But the main difference is that these guys want to lock a woman down in a relationship, or marriage, so that the woman only has sex with them and they only with her. They insist on it for any woman that they enter into a relationship with, instead of it happening naturally and BY THE WOMANS OWN CHOICE. The man isnt dialed in enough to make the woman want to naturally be his submissive, through natural attraction. Therefore, she is not. Its the rare devout “family man”, who tries to instill a patriarchical environment through is ideals and actions, that I see that actually has any real control in his marriage. If he does, its through fear, instilled by religion or his own violent behavior. More often than not, the woman wears the pants anyway. However, they become good at putting on a dominant act. You can often spot these relationships by their semi-regular arguments or outright violent acts. Two opposing forces, neither of which likes the relationship dynamic.

There are so many things wrong with this in terms of truly being able to pick your partner in this world. Women don’t want to be possessed, and women don’t want to be forced into a relationship ideal or dynamic. They choose. And they choose through attraction. We choose to master the art of attraction. Natural and happy relationships are the result. As is a lot of sex. The bad relationships are flushed out quickly.

The G Manifesto
11 years ago

Not too familiar with the whole “Men’s Rights” thing.

But very passionate post Roosh.

This line was great: “They have draining corporate gigs and the only thing they have to look forward to are weekly visits to Chipotle Mexican Grill.”

I think one of the main reasons of your appeal is the fact that others can “relate” to your journey of learning Game.

– MPM

The G Manifesto’s last blog post: Hipsters VS Douchebags: A Modern Day Mods VS Rockers.

The G Manifesto
11 years ago

“Your Friend

How often do you get laid, exactly? Seems like you wouldn’t have time to blog so much…”

I always love comments like these. I get them a lot too.

If you use your time wisely and efficiently:

Blogging = 1 hour per day
Sex act = 1 hour per day

Last time I checked that leaves you 22 hours per day to do whatever the hell you want.

– MPM

The G Manifesto’s last blog post: Hipsters VS Douchebags: A Modern Day Mods VS Rockers.

Chuck
11 years ago

Roosh,

How do you feel about the statement that you made and that I supported that “virgins are worthless to listen to”? Just curious.

Chuck’s last blog post: The Death of the Hook-Up.

Metalhaze
Metalhaze
11 years ago

@Gordon: appearance is everything and how a man projects his image is part of game. A guy has to adapt his looks, because women definitely judge a man by what they see. I agree.

Btw There was this women called Gina Cloud interviewed on Alan roger currie’s show Modeone and she said something like
a) she endorses monogamy and is against open relationships BUT
b)she takes relationship as a day to day thing, i.e. I love you today but I don’t know bout tomorrow and much less a bout next month.

which is fair and dandy but if a women tells me listen Metal, I’m really attracted to you and I want to start a family with you but I don’t know what will happen in a couple year because I have a tendency to get bored quickly or I will crave variety. well guess what, I’m not gonna invest in this women (i.e. buy a house together, start a family).

would you go in a 100% in a business that has a quite shaky base or is prone to very high risks i.e. gambling?

this reminded me of a women I used to date once who asked if I ever cheated, I returned her the question and she said

“me? I have never cheated on a man. I’m very faithful and it is against my moral values to do so. I have always made sure to tell a guy and leave him before I sleep with another”

who wants to invest his time , money and energy long term in a prospect like that with the marital laws being in her favor?

in other words we have become a nation based on short term (1-3 years) relationships based solely on attraction/infatuation/love and no commitment because:
a) men are not stupid to get married
b) women are only committed to passion

which is why the best way these days to keep a women around is to never let her feel too secure and comfortable.

check out this article

http://ezinearticles.com/comment.php?Bad-Girls:-Lets-Be-Honest-Ladies,-Arent-You-Only-Into-Him-Because-Hes-Not-Into-You?&id=87022

RF Interference
11 years ago

Feminists: Equal Pay :: MRA : Younger Devout Wife

Godspeed, Roosh!

RF Interference’s last blog post: The Presidents of Harvard University Vol. 2 – The Next Hundred Years (Very Approximately).

mongo
mongo
11 years ago

Roosh,

Being in danger of labeled beta here, (which I think my skinny shoulders can bear), but Kevin Driscoll may well not be, and yet he languishes at home on house arrest awaiting trial for a rape that probably never happened 10 months ago.

His job is gone, local standing destroyed, house in foreclosure, mother bankrupted, and to top it all off, has to pay $400 a month for the monitoring fees of his own detention, otherwise it’s prison for him – and he is an innocent man (at least he’s supposed to be considered as such until a trial verdict).

All this for having sex with some hot chick who he didn’t know had a history of false rape allegation, criminal charges and who suddenly found herself in possession of a neat little story for wheedling out of her most recent scrape with the law. And the other magic ingredient of local prosecutors who badly want rape convictions.

I hope the taint of ‘MRA’ isn’t so strong that you or your readers would prefer to let the wolves have him, but should you want to play a part in developing this into the watershed case that it is fast becoming, I urge you to visit Angry Harry’s page here and form your own opinion:

http://www.angryharry.com/es_Kevin_Driscoll.htm

The Counter-Feminist is keeping a running commentary here:
http://counterfem.blogspot.com/

Virgle Kent
11 years ago

AAAAAAANNNNNNNNDDDDDD he’s back! Damn you pimped slapped the shit out of some haters.

5ive
5ive
11 years ago

That’s Roosh for you. Always in search of a bigger hamster wheel.

5ive
5ive
11 years ago

Alpha males don’t care about men’s rights. And beautiful women don’t seem to care about feminism.

Talleyrand
11 years ago

I’ve said it before, and I will say it again. Understanding game, whether you use it or not, is necessary to understand the situation men are in. If you don’t understand game or accept the truth of it, your conclusions about our society is going to be wrong.

Talleyrand’s last blog post: Being Fat is Not a Virtue.

Chris
Chris
11 years ago

Game is about mens rights. Because its about being free from the control/manipulation of women, while still getting what you want/need from them. Good alpha male game is the only way to accomplish this. The result can only come through free choice, for both the man and the woman, that results from good game.

The “Mens Rights Movement” tries to ‘legislate’ this same result through marriage values and a male dominant ideal. But its just that, and ideal, and not a natural choice for both people.

roissy
11 years ago

Pretend you’re me for a second, and you’ve read comment after comment by guys who don’t believe in game, when you yourself have made a complete 180 because of it. What further proof can I offer than myself, a sexless wonder who started getting laid only after studying and practicing game?

yeah, i get a lot of emails and comments from scientifically-oriented guys who doubt the effectiveness of game asking me to “prove it”. i pretty much tell them to try it and find out for themselves whether it works or not.

the problem with “proving” game is that as a scientific question it’s nearly impossible to set up a double blind, controlled experiment that would satisfy their doubts. you’d have to put vagina probes in random chicks and follow around non-game betas and player alphas hitting on all these women until they either got rejected or got the bang. and the women wouldn’t be able to know about it.

luckily, there are smaller limited experiments proving certain tactics of game, such as strong body language that excites women and the concept of preselection by other women.

other than that, the effectiveness of game is mostly going to be by word of mouth, by conceptual vigor, and by observing guys running game getting success with women.

roissy’s last blog post: The Beta Crisis of American Men Marrying Older Women.

Assanova
11 years ago

I’ve been saying this for quite awhile now, and I agree with 100% of this post. There are too many crybabies out there who hate women simply because they can’t get laid.

Assanova’s last blog post: Assanova’s Top Five Bar Tactics.

Anonymous
Anonymous
11 years ago

5ive said it pretty well, alphas don’t care about men’s rights and beautiful women dont’ care about feminism.

I get pretty passionate about Men’s rights…or gender neutrality as I say, in the workplace and court system.

Outside of that and especially in relationships and game its individuals that matter. Just because a woman doesn’t want dude X to pull her hair and bend her over the couch doesn’t mean she won’t beg dude Y to do the same thing the next night. Aka if you’re having trouble in relationships its probably you, not your gender.

Sofia
11 years ago

This was an excellent post.

I completely believe in the practical effects of Game on women.

Whilst I don’t ascribe to being a feminist (mainly because it’s not a coherent philosophy, and I disagree with the premises in which it’s popularly perceived), I think a lot of men in these peripheral parts are just seeking outlets for their sexual frustration. Game is about being proactive, not being a whiny pathetic loser who is complaining because females have sexual selective advantage, which I think speaks volumes about the kind of man who says that.

Game is for the kind of autistic, nerdy guy who speaks to logic, rationality, outlined and clear rules anyway. It’s something that should be celebrated not decried, for giving everyone an equal chance.

Sofia’s last blog post: Working out with LIL: Tone Your Triceps!.

Sofia
11 years ago

Alpha males don’t care about men’s rights. And beautiful women don’t seem to care about feminism.

The truth in this is pretty limited. Game is designed for nerdy guys looking to learn the rules. They’re not born Alphas… I’m going to shut up about that aspect of your observation, and focus on the latter, because I’ve taken Women’s Studies courses in one of the most SWPL cities in North America.

Women’s studies attracted a dichotomy of women: women who were damaged or rejected in some way and seeking a place to belong, or a justification for their inner loneliness, or vapid sluts looking to champion a cause, any cause, to fulfill this need for campus activism and being an empathetic and caring individual.

So, no, women who don’t care about feminism aren’t necessarily beautiful, just comfortable with who they are in society. I don’t care about feminism because it’s a dumb, inchoate philosophy that’s removed from practicality and actuality.

Sofia’s last blog post: Working out with LIL: Tone Your Triceps!.

Tim
Tim
11 years ago

I love this post brutally fashion in which it was written.

I also agree with the general sentiment that unless we’re talking about “family law” stuff and the court system. Men’s rights is a bunch dudes who never get laid.

Tim