Mixed Groups

I don’t shy away from approaching groups of girls with the occasional guy, but looking back I can’t say those attempts have been fruitful. Recent example: I was hanging out with Virgle Kent when a girl glanced at me not once, not twice, but thrice. She was with one guy and one girl. I went in something light but got absolutely no response. The girl looked away, and the guy she was with gave me an evil stare. It was unnecessarily awkward. Virgle Kent just shook his head and told me he doesn’t bother approaching girls with guys in their groups. I was the devil’s advocate and disagreed with him at the time but I could only nod my head while reading Your Guy Friend

I feel that single women who go out with mixed group of friends and then expect guys to approach and pick them up or hit on them are selfish. I don’t think they deserve my game. Selfish because they’re trying to play it safe by going out with males that will give them attention because they’re their friends. Yet at the same time they want other guys to come over and give them attention also? It’s a win win for the girl, no real risk involved, so why should I give them any reward? I feel if you go out with a group of people you should entertain and give them you’re full attention. If you go out looking for dick (either that night or in the future) then go hard or go home. If you do come out with a guy friend then the onus is on YOU to make it obvious and clear that you want to talk to a different guy. That mean that YOU will either have to approach the guy or stare him down like a stalker / bunny boiler till he has no choice but to come talk to you. Step your game up.

I’m confident his belief hasn’t cost him a single girl worth his time.

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The main reason guys agree to go out with women they’re not dating (or sleeping with) is because they hope to be dating (or sleeping with) such women in the future. As a result, they will be a significant cockblock, and in many cases this is exactly what women want.

Cockblock men are being used (unknowingly in most cases) to provide a shield that deflects unwanted male attention. When a worthy guy (or one of unknown quality) approaches, the cockblocker is used to test the guy to see if he is truly worthy (or if it is all an act). At the very least, the cockblock can provide much-desired drama and hours of gossip for her and her friends.

You can tell if a guy is sleeping with a girl (or wants to) by his body language. Regardless of this fact, you’re often better-served by making friends with the guy before going after the girl. If he’s a cockblock, then you’ve defused the situation before it can create any drama. If he’s not a cockblock, then you’ve demonstrated you’re cool and worthy of a place in her social circle.

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“You can tell if a guy is sleeping with a girl (or wants to) by his body language.”

Great advice. Always look for the body language, especially if it is a one girl, one guy group.

Oftentimes these groups are wide open to peel the girl. Look for the girl with her arms crossed. (many other signs as well). Easy kill.

These can be very fruitful, often times it is a girl on a terrible first date and she is just wishing you would come over.

Other times it can be a relationship on the rocks, which can be just as easy to chop up.

Never discount groups with guys and girls in them. A lot of times they can be easier than all girl groups. And more fruitful.

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I’ve actually found some limited success with mixed groups. I’ve always taken a similar approach to dealing with these groups as I would a group with a mother hen type individual, get yourself into some conversation with the (beta) male.

I’ve had success on two different occasions with this effort. The same scene played out in both cases though. The lone guy was ‘in friends zone’ with all the girls, but had interest in one of them. He told me which girls were looking for some action and was clearly very beta about moving in on ‘his’ girl. Like most betas, they are more comfortable talking with other men and was appreciative to us making him more at ease around these girls. Soon the girls got curious to their male friend’s new buddies and came to chat with us. It got us in the little social circle and let us run some game.

G-Man also brings up a great point about the peel. Sometimes one of those girls is dying to get away from the group.

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You have to figure out a way into the group through the guy. You have to go up to the group, address the guy and then spin on to something. Just plowing into a group with 2 girls – 1 guy – never works. The girls, for the most part, want to look cool by blowing off the guy, the guy feels akward because some dude is trying to bang the girl he is with – so everything just gets fucked.

You need to open the guy – then spin the girl, and you probably need a solid wingman for it to work well. Someone must occupy the guy’s time as you try to isolate.

Its a touchy deal, because the guy knows what you are trying to do, and the girl usually tries to be reserved in order to look cool.

I feel you though. Beast chance is to wait for the group to split for a few minutes.

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Another night alone, eh Roosh?

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Totally agree with this. But what happens when you’re talking to 2 girls (opening up the ugly one to build up desire in the target) and “the guy they’re with” comes out of nowhere and just hangs out there mad dogging you? Do you just walk away or introduce yourself to Cap’n Douchebag?

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Dchero – you introduce yourself to Cap’n Douchebag but you make it clear that you’re not there for his amusement. Some might say you should also make it clear that you’re not a threat, but I disagree. You are a threat, and he’ll perceive you as one. The only reason you befriend him is to bring down the hot one’s b!tch shield.

Side note: The vast majority of Cap’n Douchebags have no game. Otherwise, they wouldn’t be hanging out with a hottie and her friend. Some Cap’n Douchebags will dog you not to cockblock, but rather because they’re desperate for an alpha male role model. A good way to defuse this puppy-dogging is to lean in (out of earshot of the hottie) and tell the guy to just “be cool, and everyone will have a good time”. Yes, that sounds a bit condescending, but if you say it with confidence Cap’n Douchebag will fall into line. Let your body language do the talking more than your mouth. The hottie will pick up on it, and you will have shown your dominance (and passed her little sh!t test in the process).

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it goes against all the “mixed set” theory out there, but i have to agree with VK on this. girls should be punished with indifference for shielding themselves with fallback ego booster betas just because they can’t bear the thought they might go the whole night without their attention fix. but i think another big reason girls surround themselves with orbiting males is to test the risk-taking mettle of any approaching outsider male. really, she’s using these beta blockers as shit test pawns in her game. if i’m going out with girl buddies, i’m making sure they understand the rules — bring some of your cute friends along as reward for the pleasure of my company.

“be cool, and everyone will have a good time”.

this is a major asshole move. if some dillweed tried that on me i’d say “maybe you should take your own advice”. the guy would seriously have to be a major douche to warrant this kind of alpha condescension, otherwise you’ll just come across like a petty prick.

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The only mixed sets I’m interested in involve “Munting”

So Roosh/ Roissy if you’re down I’m jumping on the tummy first

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Roissy — it may be a major asshole move, but you’re not likely to be puppy-dogging a dude who is trying to break into your group. Thus, if the guy isn’t puppy-dogging (and inadvertently cockblocking), then there’s no reason to say it. However, if you don’t say something to get him off you and free you up to go after the hottie, you’re wasting your time with the whole group.

Eliminating the beta cockblock who is overly-possessive is difficult without the cooperation of the hottie herself. She has to “call off the dog”, and certainly can since the guy is desperately hoping she’ll give him a chance. In other words, he’s under her control and will do as he’s told if he thinks he still has a chance with her.

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1. 2 girls & 1 non-boyfriend male = no-go.

I agree with the poster.
The only reason they’re bringing their male admirer along is to get extra attention. Women are capable of fending for themselves and don’t need to bring a male “friend” to save them from unwanted attention in a bar.

2. 1 couple & 1 girl = possible

Girls with boyfriends like to set up their female friends and are ok with guys hitting on their friend.

3. large group(more than 3) of males & females = possible

This is a normal social situation, like birthday parties, where males and females are at a bar.

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I always walk up and talk to the whole group and get a feel for what’s going on, if I don’t get a hard push right away then I’ll ask how everyone knows each other, 60% of the time they all just met 5 mins ago and the other guy walks away. The other thing to do, is if you have enough time pay attention to whom he faces most of the time and thus who he’s interested in, and start talking to both of them.

When I’m with a few girl friends and another guy approaches, I let him do his thing, the girls are there for me to use as wing girls anyways, so they’re trying to help me out. If they want to get rid of the guy they know to do it on their own.

Conversely if I approach a set in a bar and start talking and another guy comes over I’ll let him start his thing, if I can build on it I will, if he tries to eliminate me, I’ll say something funny grab him around his shoulder and try to defuse him a bit. I agree with Roissy though, you can’t say something to him about everyone doing well, unless the sets are starting to work out, when a guy does this to me I just laugh and when i’ve done this I’ve risked blowing the whole set up as the cock block decides to kill everything by repeating what I said to the whole group.

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Roosh wrote:

“I was hanging out with Virgle Kent when a girl glanced at me not once, not twice, but thrice. She was with one guy and one girl. I went in something light but got absolutely no response. The girl looked away, and the guy she was with gave me an evil stare. It was unnecessarily awkward.”

Some women, I found in my past, like to “get their attention fix” as Roissy aptly named it, by getting off on whether they could get a guy to approach just to cooly snub and shoot him down, sometimes in front of her female companions no less, as a testament to her value in front of them.

Its just an unpleasant part of the game out there. If a man pulled the same thing he’d be excoriated to high heaven by a female (and her friends) for it, but life is quite unfair. All a guy can do is smile, say “oh”, and then smile at the guy giving him the “evil stare”, and go on to meeting and making friends, and laughing, and swapping stories, and telling jokes, and taking some shots, and making memories with friendlier, more likeable people in full view of the two who forgot their personalities when they got out of bed that morning.

*The guy giving you the “evil stare” was a jerk-off, even if he was her boyfriend. If you take your G/F out to a club, you can expect her to recieve attention from men unless you two are holding hands or arm-in-arm, etc. The girl casting the 3 glances was a cunt because she should have had the dencency to politely say she was busy (1) or waiting for her boyfriend (2) with her boyfriend (3) or whatever. Simply “not responding” is impolite beyond belief. Just think of how poisoned the social environment would be if men and women both expressed disninterest to one another in such a way. Not responding to someone speaking to you is “showing them up” in front of a whole room of people. It would be somewhat understandable (but still rude) if she pulled this if you approached her absolutely cold with no IOI’s (3 glances is certainly IOI) beforehand, but sheer bitchery if it was baited. Anyone on earth can simply say “no thanks”.

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