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Had a couple interesting questions about the flag metric that I wanted to discuss. But first, what is a notch? The most objective answer would be when the plane of the vagina is broken. This means any depth of insertion. Everything else is subjective. If a guy told me his latest notch was when he put it in one inch, I’d roll my eyes but I would not dispute his notch.

I remember a friend telling me his girlfriend had the belief that sex with a man doesn’t count until he ejaculates. Every woman seems to have a different definition that would make the notch count mostly meaningless. The standard definition isn’t perfect, but at least you know, at the minimum, what happened.

Onto flag questions:

“How about if she moves to America at 10 years old from her birth country and is basically American?”

If we go by our objective definition, we’d count that flag. This is one of the downsides of the flag metric that will boost every guys’s count by a couple flags. But notch count has its own problem where even those hogs you’ve banged have equal footing with your more respectable encounters.

It’s impossible to draw the line and figure out how old is old enough to be flag worthy. How about if she moved here when she was one-day old? Well just like with the one-inch penetrator I’d roll my eyes, but I would not dispute it.

“How about if a girl was born in Madagascar to American parents, and then moved back to this country at a young age?”

This is where I tell you to stop thinking about situations that are going to be uncommon for 95% of men. Again, if you want to count that as a Madagascar flag then fine but you are beginning to shit on the spirit of this concept.

So we’ve got the notch, cost per notch, and flags as objective, though flawed, indicators of game tightness. In addition, hanging out with the guy for several nights and viewing a sampling of photos of the girls he has banged would paint a much clearer picture of his game.

I’ve also thought of cost per bang (CPB), which is your total dating expenditures divided by total sex encounters. I haven’t touched this one because betas in serious relationships would probably compete very well with even the most supreme of players. If you do test it out though, I recommend you count a series of bangs in a continuous encounter (for instance a nighttime date that turns into a next afternoon exit) as one “bang.”

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If she has an accent, she’s still foreign in my book. You can’t teach consistent tongue rolls like that.

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That just shows how imperfect every metric is.

Same with CPN… a few summers ago I used to go to Ocean City, there are a lot of foreign exchange students working summer jobs, most of them are under 21 so you couldn’t spend a lot of money on them even if you wanted to. The drill is buy her a smoothie, walk up and down the boardwalk, take her to a house party, try to steer her to your hotel. So almost zero CPN. However, do you include gas, hotel, etc. if your sole purpose to go there was to pick up girls? You didn’t spend it on them, but you still spent it in order to be around them…

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a citizenship requirement would take care of the objections above. if she moved to the US at 10, she probably is a citizen today (assuming you aren’t gaming 16 year olds.) path to citizenship means path to westernized american woman attitudes.

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What if she is American, but is in a plane crash in Japan, and has bionic parts, including a bionic vagina, installed in Japan (made by Japanese).

How would this count? Could she be considered part Japanese?

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A bionic vagina? I’m intrigued…

There is so much math and what ifs involved with this. Cost per bang? I think that might be taking this a little too far. How are you supposed to keep track of all your bangs? You must have the memory of an elephant.

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Roosh– this notch analysis has become absurdly analytical, but I respect your attention to semantic and theoretical detail. I won’t even begin to pretend that my friends and I haven’t engaged in a similar debate regarding exactly what degree of penetration constitutes intercourse. Personally, I maintain a distinction between full-on sex and the delightfully erotic game which Wedding Crashers immortalized as “Just The Tip.” And come on, there has to be some minimal standard for real deliberate sex. I mean, a single lonely stab isn’t exactly something I’d brag to my friends about– hell, if that’s actually all you got/gave, I’d consider it more of a fluke than a fuck. Wouldn’t it make sense to impose a “three thrusts or more” rule to separate the men from the, er, boys?

Roissy– so I guess you’re opposing any comprehensive immigration bill that would legalize a path to citizenship for upwards of 6 million otherwise-bangable Latinas?

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Roissy: Do you mean the country’s citizenship or US citizenship? I moved to the US at 9, I’m not a US citizen yet.

According to the exceptions above I count.

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jo, US citizenship. according to my foreign-national friends, it takes anywhere from 7-15 years to acquire citizenship. so i was guessing that for most girls if they moved here at 10 years old they should be american citizens by the time guys are hitting on them the most. citizenship is not a perfect metric either, but it’s a great way to purify the flag count with foreign-born girls who haven’t yet completed their journeys to the oprah and cosmo side.

nikita, la femme: since most of the illegals are mexican, banging all 6 million will only earn a guy one flag. although i’d give bonus points if he got the flag from the sister of a mexican drug lord.

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I almost emailed you last night with a question regarding the whole flag factor and a German expatriot living in Argentina but then I realized that I have more questions.

I think that only counting countries seriously detracts from total notch count, which is somewhat the point but what if a person has a type and hits some the hottest of the hot in said type? Not much in the way of flags but definitely impressive.

I think that there should be some sort of factor. A metric derived not just from number of flags or number of notches but some combination of notch, flag and hotness. Weighting, as it were.

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What about someone with dual citizenship? Would that amount to two flags? Or two half-flags?

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Several of us were discussing the flag thing at the HH on Friday.

I only have 2 flags. I feel so deprived.

I like how this got all technical as if it really matters. Amusing! grin

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I completely agree with Roosh about what counts as a notch or flag claim when he says “any depth of insertion.” BJs, hand jobs, and dry humps don’t count; it’s minor league sex.

“It’s impossible to draw the line and figure out how old is old enough to be flag worthy. How about if she moved here when she was one-day old? Well just like with the one-inch penetrator I’d roll my eyes, but I would not dispute it.” Sorry Roosh, I’d dispute it! No way I’d let one of my buddies claim the French flag, for example, of some chick that moved from France to the USA when she was 1 day old. By the time she’s sexually active, she’s American as the rest of us.

@Jo… I’ll answer the question you asked Roissy. If you moved to the USA at 9 years old, I would say you’re more American than from the country you came from. But that’s just what I’ve found through personal experience and talking to others who have emigrated from one country to another. You might consider yourself more a citizen from your home country for all I know, each person is different. But you have to be something. Ask yourself this: if someone hooked up with you, which flag would they get?

@Claire… someone with dual citizenship must choose which country’s culture they identify with more. As I say, “One flag per shag.” I have both American (mom) and French (dad) passports but at the end of the day I’m American.

Atlas Al’s last blog post: ILLEGALITIES OF A FLAG WAVING SUBCULTURE.