My Education Was A Complete Waste Of Time

Looking back at my thirteen years in the American public school system and four more years at the University Of Maryland, I have come to the realization that it was an utter waste. Nothing I do today which serves me in work, women, life, or leisure can be traced back to what I was taught in school. I must therefore conclude that being educated in America was the most harmful event in my life.

My parents pushed me hard into attending university. I didn’t question their well-intentioned urgings because I had no idea what else to do. I eventually picked microbiology out of a black hat, which served me for six years after college until quitting for good. On my visit to the States last year, the topic of my education came up in a conversation with my father. I remarked how I would have been better off not going to college.

“But university did help you,” he said. “It taught you how to think.”

I didn’t question his rebuttal at the time, but now I’m certain he was incorrect, because my education didn’t even teach me how to read or write.

I couldn’t read properly until I was about 24 or 25 years old; I simply did not have the ability to properly parse and analyze difficult texts, and my abominable SAT verbal scores, which were below average, could verify that to you. I had trouble understanding basic assigned literature like Catcher In The Rye or The Grapes Of Wrath. My brain didn’t care for understanding the symbolism, motifs, or even the plot.

I also could not write. Well, I could write for the teacher who ordered me to hit a certain word count, but my grades in English classes only proved that I was averagely literate and able to convey someone else’s ideas without introducing too many grammatical errors, but not much more. A 19th century London schoolboy had more writing skill than I did when I was legally allowed to gamble and drink alcohol.

Anything else in school I developed competency on—calculus, physics, biology—was mechanical and based on stenciled learning that any average mind could handle with enough prodding. Either I copied the instructor’s methods for solving a problem or memorized facts and equations as if I was a robot. Up to my graduation, I had not developed one original idea or sentence of writing that is worth exposing to you right now. You can even mention specific classes I took in college and I will be unable to relay one fact I learned from them, in spite of doing well enough on the exams. If I ever write my autobiography upon old age, I can skip the first 22 years of life when it came to my intellectual progress and not lose a speck of importance. My education taught me nothing I couldn’t have achieved on my own with a basic tutor, and if anything, it greatly inhibited my development.

Did the American educational system fail me, or did I possess a sluggish mind that chose not to bloom until gray hairs started appearing on my beard? Maybe a bit of both, but I look at what my younger brothers are studying in school (one is in middle school and the other in college), and I can only shake my head at how ill-prepared they will be for a world that is frightfully changing ever year. For my youngest brother, school is essentially a babysitter that teaches him a week’s worth of the most elementary math and science spread out to nine soul-numbing months under the guidance of a feminist headmaster, while my older brother is more fearful of bad grades and punishment from dad than being an apex achiever in a field that will give him self-sufficiency for life. They’re both screwed, but at least they won’t be alone—their classmates are floating in the same rickety lifeboats as them.

Actually there is one thing I learned in school that I use every week. It is my default approach to seeking truth and understanding this complex Earthly world. It is the scientific method:

scientific method

The scientific method, which I remember learning in the 9th grade, gave me everything I needed to solve problems on my own in all areas of life. The first time I used it outside of a school setting was at 22 years of age when I wanted to improve my sex life. I made the observation that a certain type of man was getting women and so I made hypotheses and changed my behavior to conduct real-life experiments that resulted in abundant fornication.

When my observations on women or relationships could not be understood, I sought the consul of books and other men. My book Bang is essentially a lab report from studying the American female Homo sapiens. This personal enthusiasm for experimentation has stayed with me since then, and I will always seek real-life confirmation of whatever behavior I urge upon myself or others.

But besides the scientific method, it was all for nothing. I say that without exaggeration—not a single lecture, factoid, graph, or equation I’ve learned in school has been marginally useful in my life since graduating 14 years ago. Even when I was employed as a microbiologist, more than 90% of what I used at work was learned through practical on-the-job training. I’m confident that at 15 years of age I could have done the same job as at 25, especially since I was essentially a glorified assembly line worker in the manner at which I conducted experiments handed down to me by my superiors.

What percentage of men in the past completed a formal education? Compare that with today’s perverse obsession to educate everyone using a one-size-fits-all model that jams facts into people’s ears as if force feeding someone on hunger strike. It’s no surprise that the only thing that accomplishes is creating adults who are good at basic trivia but not at solving problems or generating useful ideas. You can not educate thought into someone. You can not create a great thinker or an intellectual out of thin air. Education destroys original thought and muddles great minds, and mainly excels at creating zombies who march in step with all the other automatons after being indoctrinated to respect authority and, lately, Marxist ideas. Education has devolved into social brainwashing happy time for Westerners (and slut training centers for girls) and not much more.

If I have a son, he will receive a classical education from a dedicated tutor at no more than two hours a day. The rest of his time will be spent exploring nature, music, athletics, woodworking, art, and of course, the scientific method. The goal is not to fill his head with information and facts in the hopes that one day it will aid him, but to give him the tools and mental framework to tackle any problem he will face in life while allowing him to develop passions that make it all worth living. My education didn’t do that for me and for many other men, and what a regrettable waste it has been for us.

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That classroom in your opening pic must a been a model for integration. Such diversity!

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Should we integrate apartheid then?

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“Then”? Er, yes, Major, if you feel it’s necessary.

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One of my biggest regrets, just like Roosh, is going to university at my parents request. The only thing it resulted in was debt. I now run my own small business; everything self-taught.

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I feel you – I got some debt, not as much as many others. I could realistically pay that debt off and perhaps even make some assets. But the time and energy investment was not worth it. Western society teaches me that instead of getting a med degree, what the banksters and females will reward me for is compliance and spending all day on welfare with my sole job to get laid and impregnate as many females as possible so ben more people can sponge off the state. And at least the women have somewhat of a choice in this, though they are not connecting their actions with their consequences from mass sluthood to single motherhood and societal decline etc. Manginas don’t help either. Basically, if you try and be a productive and moral member of society, the mass of shit that is society itself, including the banksters all the way down to feminists and lower to welfare careerists, will all try and drag you down to their level. Well, Fuck Them. They are the problem with the human race, which is why humanity always ends up in the shit. I do believe in God, and I think he looks on shaking his head with sadness.

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Blaming everyone else for your problems , eg society , women , banksters etc actually mirrors the behavior of the welfare recipients you deride

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ugh, its mossad again.

Do you feel the noose tightening around your neck yet?

You have no life, trolling comments and up voting your own, so you have to respond to others. You need to stop taking the place of God and repent.

Your tired meme is to hide all the ill the banksters and their associates have caused, because if zionist bankers own half of all world wealth amongst like 80-90 people who are mostly zionists who pay you, then it must be due to their hard work (i.e. murder and theft).

By the way, that noose is tightening around your neck…

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Hi Seth,
Nice to see your alter ego again and your paranoia about zionists around every corner and boogeymen in your mind. Oh well , at least you are not speculating about my penis on this post . Good luck Homo !!!!!!!

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Why does the DHS have almost exclusively Jewish sub-contractors? Why did the DHS arrange for billions of ammunition rounds to kill domestic citizens? Why did Jews and Israelis (and not gentiles) receive text messages from an Israeli company the morning of 9/11 to stay out of the WTC?

Enjoy sucking cock in hell, you pos rat. And no, I’m not Seth you deranged faggot.

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Wow Seth , Now you have 3 sock puppets . Well done lad. As for your assertions , could you post proof that the DHS is exclusively jewish ? Proof that that jews received text messages to stay out of WTC ?

Btw , sorry youtube videos don’t count !!!!!!!

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Hey Seth , No need to copy and paste this one any more !!!
We all seen it already !!!
Make a new copy/pasta !!!!!
Homo !!!!!!

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Blaming the scumbags who actually run society and make the decisions that shape and form and lead society and turn society into a stinking steaming pile of stupid excrement is not blaming “everyone else” for our problems. Actually, it is making the logical connection and tracing the problems back to their actual source, idiot. If we work and earn money, for example, and then some POS woman or government takes it away from us in an obviously unfair and unjust way, like the way a criminal would take it away from us, are we supposed to think that it’s just the breaks, that life is unfair and bad luck happens and criminals and women and government are just part of the natural landscape?

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That pretty much exactly describes my situation as well. The parents naively wanted me to go to college, even though they couldn’t pay for it. I was too young and stupid to know better. College was a complete waste of time and money on all levels. Very little was learned, even less was accomplished. College was a major setback for me. Now I work for myself.

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The social/economic model from the 80s and 90s is dead. Parents push their children to do what they know worked for them. They have good intentions, but reality has surpassed them.

Our fathers, duly enslaved beta workers, lack the knowledge and the time to learn the bitter Red Pill truth. Working 80 hours weeks until you become fat, old and bitter was never a good choice, but they simply don’t know better.

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Well, the bright side is now there won’t be the jobs nor the economy to send you on your to old age and bitterness. At least our fathers had that.

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Retirement was an historic aberration. We will work until we die, like mankind has for the last 8 thousand years.

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“I fucked up my life, so you should too”

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I came to the same conclusion too, in medical school, after stumbling on a book called ‘The Saber-Tooth Curriculum’ (by J. Abner Peddiwell), that describes current education as a system of rote indoctrination designed to keep the young out of the competitive job market for as long as possible, culminating in overt credentialism. It’s a quick & comical read, written in the 1920s, that accurately predicts the not-so-funny occurrence of WW2, the least funny part being that our current system continues to make the same now that we did then.

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Med school is a scam, where we are indoctrinated to give the drug that makes Big Pharma cash, rather than the one that is best for the patient. It is depressing to come to this and many other conclusions, yet important. We will get paid less as gov’t/companies/banksters have clamped down on us, and this will reduce our autonomy to ALWAYS doing what they want. This, whilst somewhat a global phenomenon, is worse in the western industrialised nations, and just because many of our colleagues have a medical degree does not mean they’re thinking people – they’re just zombies who are good with remembering things and making associations.

Most younger people who take out loans for a college degree will never pay them off, now that the price of a degree has gone from free in the UK to 100 000 including living costs, over the course of 15 years – talk about price inflation! College for the last 30 years has always been a scam to hide unemployment numbers, whilst our jobs were being shipped overseas. We actually live in a depression like 1929, but it is hidden by smartphones, welfare etc.. until this system of things collapses in the next decade or so.

Unfortunately, we are more under control than most people realise which would alarm them. Also, do most people in the modern era have free will, if they are brought up from birth being bombarded with social media encouraging them to behave in certain ways, so they are effectively brainwashed/Stockholm syndromed into what the backers of such messages want? I could suggest you read propaganda by Edward Bernays (1925), which showed based on studies at that time in the UK and US that only 87% of the population think, and that by corralling like cattle these through indoctrination and feeding false information to the 13% thinkers, how you could control an entire society.

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“…and that by corralling like cattle these through indoctrination and feeding false information to the 13% thinkers, how you could control an entire society.”

Very interesting. Unfortunately for the puppet masters, free thought will begin to challenge the information it’s being fed as it realizes it may be spurious. Fortunately for the puppet masters, they typically have enough resources and proxies to deflect the onslaught when the shit does hit the fan.

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Excellent conclusion: “If I have a son, he will receive a classical education from a dedicated tutor at no more than two hours a day. The rest of his time will be spent exploring nature, music, athletics, woodworking, art, and of course, the scientific method.”

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Homeschooling. Don’t pay a tutor for what you can do yourself. As Roosh said there’s little to be learned and I and my wife can relay those things to my two sons. We spend less than 2 hours a day and they are both motivated to explore different areas independantly which we nurture with our interest, time and money.

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Fortunately, the same thing happened to me with my parents. They never pushed me to do much and allowed me to explore my own interests.

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But what if Roosh has a daughter? Same educational framework, but with different studies? (Cooking, housework, child-nurturing, etiquette, other things to raise a female into a pure, noble, feminine and beautiful maiden?)

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Long term, a daughter will be happier with a strong, smart, moral husband as opposed to her own career.
You may look at a 26yr old woman with a good job and think she has really made it in life, but long term an older woman without children is a miserable hag.

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nice of you to plan out her life for her.

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Yeah, and you want his daughter to go into the whore business, right?

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People who push daughters into careers are also planning their daughters’ lives out for them.

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I had close to 1.6 million dollars spent on me from birth to getting an MD to be a licensed physician, some of it coming from a private entity, and I only have 30 000 in loans. I come from a UMC background, and to be competitive in medicine, you need to have money spent on a ton of extracurricular activities, as many others competing against you have them. Whilst I liked a lot of my education, was the ROI, the return on investment worth it?

I moved away from the UK to the US, as English/Welsh women doctors are often bitchy cunts. In the US, I’d have to do obamacare via the affordable care act, where I get paid peanuts and could never recoup all the money spent on my education. Not only that, but many of my classmates, especially the female ones, carry 500 000 loans which when interest accrues, means they will never pay back that loan in a lifetime! Which is why they drop out or are forced into an easier speciality, then expect mr Big Bucks to pick up the cheque, whether that be a rich boyfriend or someone else. Let’s not forget they are not having children and many hoe around, so only the welfare folk are having them, so this is a recipe for disaster, a la idiocracy.

So overall, whilst a doctor may not always be guaranteed a job everywhere, he/she can pretty much have an easier time getting one with their credentials. The only problem is that I have seen many friends make more than I have, though these jobs will soon disappear/get paid less, and those that make the big bucks have usually sold out their soul/time/country to the corporation that is destroying their very own country. So what makes for a good job for the younger generation:

(1) you do what the big man tells you

(2) you come from a background with connections

(3) you do what the big man tells you, or else

This obviously does not leave much of the younger generation with many options, who are always told its ‘their fault’ and that older generations did not lead to this kind of situation. Worse still, now in 2015, the top 80 people in the world own 50% of its wealth, not including the super big billionaires who for some reason never get added to such ‘official lists’. So money goes to money, and the middle class delusion becomes an even bigger dream as jobs are off shored, families are broken down, men get shafted and the world goes to shit.

This new paradigm we are entering into the west means that it has become an immoral dog-eats-dog society, with low trust. I think it is important to be moral, and it is also important to recognise that the society and the people within it are structured in a way, that especially the redpill man, and most other folk, will have no one really having their back. So make sure you can afford the return on investment on the choices you make, be involved in decisions that have an impact on your life, make a log of every text you send for women that you are seeing and whilst all our communications are monitored, make sure your official ones (Facebook etc) don’t have any material that would make a future employer fire you/get you in trouble. And if you can, find or make one of those few pockets in the west (usually in smaller towns/villages), where sanity persists to a better degree or WALK AWAY AND FIND A BETTER DEAL, YOU HAVE GOT TO BELIEVE YOU’RE WORTH IT.

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@seth datta

I just got into medical school. What would you suggest in terms of moving forward cause I’m at a weird point in my life I’m still young and single mid 20s

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I realize you were addressing Seth, but I can share this with you. My younger brother has always been of above average intelligence but in his case it works against him and he chose a more blue collar path as a police officer I believe to feel as if he “fits in” better with his friends and society. However eleven years ago my mother begged him to apply to medical school knowing of his aptitude and interest in medicine to which he refused. Six years ago when my father died she offered to use what remained of his insurance money (about $60K USD) to help finance him attending Physician’s Assistant school to which he has been looking into at the time, he refused. When he turned thirty last year, he had a long talk with me about his regret of not pursuing “real” medical school in 2004. I asked him why he did not, and he replied because of the debt (and we have to remember there were real interest rates back then unlike now). I said to him the Feds have shown us debt doesn’t matter anymore. They are playing chicken with Western civilization (if not all human civilization) and these sociopaths are getting away with it. They would sooner let the missiles fly then actually do what is best for the citizens because the current state of things can never be fixed and eventually the world as we know it will radically change, if not collapse. I said and on that day the people who survive will do so because of the real skills they possess and those without skills will likely perish in one way or another. We live in a dangerous part of human history and unlike say fifty years ago, our future is not so certain. If you possess the intelligence, aptitude, and discipline to handle medical school I say go for it. Push comes to shove you can always flea the country to escape creditors and start a new life with the skills to be a doctor in the East or in what remains of the West. Think long game.

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Yeah the debt and constant moving cities is what greatly worries me. In debt probably around $300,000 when I graduate

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That’s it? I’ve got a niece getting ready to graduate with $150k in debt, and a social “science” (libfarts) degree. She’ll never get that shit cleared. At least you’ll have a shot.

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I suppose it matters where you attend medical school and what you intend to do with it. Going that much into debt, to me, isn’t worth it unless the economic collapses and all debts are erased — unlikely to happen now or in the future. You also have to deal with the constraints put on you by the state and other parties, so slaving away isn’t a good return on the investment.

On the other hand, if you can attend medical school outside of your own country, or go into a less debt-ridden medical specialty that would pay off in rural areas or in the event of a collapse, then I’d consider that. Maybe go into mortuary science, if you can handle it. wink

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Maintaining relationships is the tough part–even though relationships with loved ones is arguably the most important, most sustaining aspect of a life.

Med school in one place. Residency in another. Probably fellowship after that in another. If you’re trying to do something competitive, you WILL be moving. Who will move with you? Are you just going to be a nomad? I’m starting third year and that really depresses me. The girls in med school are lovely by and large but they think about these concerns too, and everyone worries about the debt.

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Oddly, I went to med school in 2004. I was not aware and was mislead about the ultimate sacrifice of self and identity medicine in general, and the very stratifying/self-study med school I was tricked into attending.

After losing my mojo for life, I subsequently dropped-out, only to find that with the Student Clearing House (TM), my whole academic history (now ruined through no fault of my own) was public info for admissions counselors, and I had no future.

Med school ruined my life. Only the socially retarded and friendless have no regrets.

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Well that sucks. What did you end up doing?

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This is one of the reasons why I find that learning a language is one of the safest investments you can make during college (provided you don’t have other option than going to uni). Whereas in many cases you won’t need any knowledge on most modules you’re taught, a new language opens up countries to visit, women to bang and a different culture to soak up.

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Also, learning a language for the first time will force you to understand your own language in a way you hadn’t considered before, because you’re a native speaker. Add more languages, and the differences open up more and more.

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Good advice.

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Why do you need to go to a college to learn a language? Berlitz has courses, and if you want a college atmosphere, the local Junior College will have extension courses in several languages. If they don’t, then Berlitz will.

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Good article, though apart from hiring a private tutor there is the option of sending your kid to one of the excellent private schools in Switzerland, Germany or the UK at a cost of 10000$+/month. There strangely enough you are taught how to think and debate. Some elite colleges also offer (or offered a short time ago) useful education, but unless you have 20 mio. $ + in assets and send your son with Game to college to accumulate 200 notches for fun, then even most of those educational fields can be done differently as well.

The scientific method unfortunately is mostly perverted to an agenda-driven method, where studies are only supposed to confirm a hypothesis – contrary data is either changed, discarded, study is re-written despite contrary data or a study is simply not published. Thus the scientific method has become one more tool of propaganda in almost all areas of life.

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Your second paragraph is for the most part correct. Having worked in academia I’ve seen my professor fudge data before. In public meetings he spoke proudly of the scientific method but in practice when no one is looking he’d stretch results as much as he could to get a publication. And in the “publish or perish” culture of academia, that is basically necessary to succeed.

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This pic deserves 1 million upvotes.

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The pic deserves widespread circulation within the “scientific” community.

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It isn’t “his narrative”, it’s the narrative of the grant-providing entities that will pay off for him if his paper gets into Nature.

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A friend of mine went to one of those ‘excellent private’ expensive schools in Switzerland and he doesnt seem to be that well-rounded or well-spoken to me, rather just average.

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There are only 4-5 I have checked out which fit my standards (Salem in Germany one I looked at in detail) – 98%+ of the rest are almost equal crap designed to be just expensive money-grubbing corporations for spoiled brats. There are reputed to be others, which are excellent, but I have not researched it enough. Also in some countries 10-15% are educated in private schools, which is ridiculous and telling that they were simply created to fleece the well-off, as in many countries the public schools are excellent (or were some 10-20 years ago).

Currently in most private schools you get either an education that is even significantly worse than in good public schools (as the schools are interested to make you look good in front of their parents) or they are on the same level as some public schools with the only advantage of having a student body coming from a more elevated class. So congratulations – you just spent 50k/year to have your kid get an education on the level of a US 1985 public school!

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A school can only do so much for a person. Some people will be dull no matter what.

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University is a great way to learn about debt…

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It’s also a great place to develop a nasty drinking/drug habit.

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Don’t forget smoking.

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Or get rayyyyyyped…

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I thought the approach in this article on schooling was interesting and in line with what you are saying:

http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/nature/Unschooling-The-Case-for-Setting-Your-Kids-Into-the-Wild.html?src=longreads

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Stop your bullshit about “marxist ideas”.

Marxism is more redpill than you think.

And (not) surprisingly, the loveliest women of the world come from former marxist countries. And now that marxism is dead there, they are becoming more rude bitchy princesses + carrier women.

Marxism is not feminist. Marxism even HATES feminism.

Marxism is not about living in la-la land.
Marxism promotes family.

In which countries were there the biggest families ? West or East ?
Women taking care of family and children ? West or East ?

What you are criticizing is not marxism, it’s just the stupid left from today.

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Research the Frankfurt School and cultural marxism.

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Classical marxism is different from cultural marxism. Or western marxism as some like to call it.
Its basically a heavy revision of materialist driven marxism. Taking the revolt of the proletarian to a different sphere. The Frankfurt school and the poststructuralist french philosophers understood that undermining and subverting the culture was key if society was to be transformed.
Marxism failed in the East but was succesful in the West. As evidenced by the rampant degeneracy in the US and its satelite states in Europe.

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Marx was the son of a Rabbi. Frankfurt Schoolers were Jews.

“poststructuralist french philosophers”. How much is your college debt, genius?

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Well genius, instead of posting a snarky remark you could instead try reading what these philosophers have written.
I dont know if you are aware of it, but many of the revolutionaries in the communist takeover were jews.

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Putin claims up to 80-85% of the first Soviet gov’t.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hu-GTj4slWw

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During Marxism many women in those countries were bitchy cunts. After the fall they adjusted their behavior. Somebody once said “Feminism is Marxism with tits”.

“Marxism promotes family.”

Ideologies promote a lot of good things…in theory. We have to look at what the logical outcomes are when theory becomes practice.

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wrong, the state kept out the putrid Hollywood crap. Russian chicks turned criminal after the fall of communism to survive. Commercialism turned them into harpies.

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Marxism is pure evil. Just look at the Bolsheviks, the Cultural Revolution, the abysmal state of China’s environment, and let’s not forget North Korean concentration camps? I’d rather fuck Lindy West than be a political prisoner in the DPRK, and I’d rather shoot myself before making that choice.

Vladimir Lenin and Leon Trotsky hated Christians and delighted in murdering them, and you want us to believe that Marxists are pro-family? In actuality, the Soviets took a few steps away from ultra-Left politics when Stalin took over, and although he was still a ruthless murderer, he re-outlawed homosexuality and shaped Russia into an economic superpower with a space program, when a century earlier it was a country full of farmers. If it hadn’t been for Stalin, the Soviets would’ve buggered each other into AIDS-induced extinction, because Lenin and Trotsky were truer to Marx’s degenerate, moronic ideals. Of course, modern socialists want to push society as far left as possible.

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Finally, some good political science on this thread.
Marxists, which predates feminism by 80 years, hates feminism becuase the latter is a selfish, middle-class dogma, creating dissension in the working class, and retarding class consciousness against the crooks that run our society.

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Marxists are the biggest crooks of all. Marxism abolishes private property, and by doing that Marxism steals every thing from every one at one fell swoop.

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It abolishes private property in the MEANS of PRODUCTION. It’s run on a social basis, just as in capitalism, but run democratically. The USSR was not democratic politically and at the top, unlike Western Marxism; however, even in the USSR, there was more democracy than in the U.S. on the shop floor.

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Abolishing private property in the means of production effectively abolishes all private property. If you can’t produce for your self, you’re at the mercy of those who are in control of all production. If you can’t produce for others, others have no choice but to accept the monopolistic produce of the Communist Party. Democracy does not mean Liberty. The essence of Liberty is the limitation of government, and under Marxist communism there is no limitation on government, no limits that mean anything, anyway. Majorities are as oppressive as any other locus of power; what makes majorities worse is because they are more arrogant and pig headed and full of themselves than an individual tyrant is capable of being.

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Marxism promotes family? WTF?!?!?!?!?! You could say that a form of non-Marxist non-atheist communism could be converted to promote family, but you’re lying if you’re saying that Karl Marx and Freddie Engels were pro-traditional family, dude. If you want to discuss the possibilities that’s great, but don’t pretend that Marxism does not deserve the anti-family reputation.

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I learned more during my internships and graduation required community service than I ever did in a classroom.

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I agree with this completely. I’m not so sure about elementary and high school; there may still be value in that. But my degree in English Literature is a disaster. I regret it every day.

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At least you can point out that Hemingway hated women at the next cocktail party…

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If Hemingway hated women, he had a certain justification to feel that way. Look up how he was brought up (if you can call it that) with a closet lesbian for a mother and a milquetoast walkover for a father – back in the days when a man was meant to be the king of his own home. Consider the fact he was literally left by his hypergamous first love in favour of a bad boy alpha.

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I was just being facetious, echoing the insane shit I have heard from female English majors. Hemingway was an American icon, whose work stands on its own. He has withstood a ridiculous assault from Liberal Arts programs throughout the country.

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I don’t bother with his novels. Some say it is his short stories which made him great, and this is what I believe. The Short Happy Life of Francis Macomber, the Snows of Kilimanjaro, A Clean, Well Lighted Place. Doesn’t get any better than that.

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No, Hemmingway loved women, but he wasn’t a fag. Most of his memes are “Men frienships are books, men-female friendships are chapters. He also liked sex, which is why English departments don’t have him read anymore.
Incidentally, Fry’s phony memoir, “A Million Littel Pieces,” copies Hemmingways style, and women ate it up…go figure.

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“No, Hemmingway loved women.”

True. I was being facetious. It’s just their bullshit ad hominem attack on him so that they can replace him with Toni Morrison and Sandra Cisneros.

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I had a similar experience in my education. I was always told I was bright, but I did poorly in school for most of my time there. I had reading comprehension troubles and had to frequently go to a resource center (Which I don’t think did anything). I also remember coming close to failing art and music, considered 2 of the easiest classes, every year I was in school.

The thing is as an adult in my late 20’s now I make 100% of my income off art, graphic design, and my side gig of playing clubs in my band. So why is this? It’s because these classes, and really any class, didn’t engage me at all. I was being taught some really interesting things, but either the teachers completely sucked at their jobs or the atmosphere of the class was so soul sucking that I just sat there trying to make time go faster so I could get to lunch. I remember at 13 being in music class doing a terrible job of playing the trumpet and being in danger of failing. Yet I’d go home at night and teach myself guitar BY EAR. Within a year I considered myself a better guitarist, a skill I had taught myself, than I would a trumpet player, which had been taught to me over the course of 4 years by a public school teacher. I also found my reading comprehension *magically* improved when I began reading for pleasure. And that’s because I was reading something I WANTED to read, not because I HAD to read it.

I also found my penchant for learning increase exponentially once I graduated college. Now that I didn’t HAVE to learn I was free to learn because I WANTED to. And that’s very important, and I find I’m more capable of intellectual discourse and critical thinking than I ever was. For instance, I highly doubt I’d have discovered the red pill while still in the public school system or indoctrination camps of college.

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On top of the brainwashing and time-wasting, education is huge business. Tens of thousands of young people go into lifelong debt every year hoping that their degree will lead to success. Here’s a great article by Ann Coulter on the education industry rip-off: http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2015-01-28.html

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Roosh
Were you still with 0 notches while at the University of Maryland?

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That’s why when people boast of having multiple high-level degrees, I assume they must have a general base of knowledge covering a broad spectrum. What is the retention rate? 3-5%, maybe 10%? 20%+ if you’re a savant? Many here have taken calculus. Unless you use it daily, what is it doing for you? Rotting, that’s what.

Reading skills are important, math skills are important. Science is essentially based in math & reading, then drawing logical conclusions based on findings, logic is math, computer programming and law are based on logic, and word problems using language is the delivery agent for Algebra and the like… so really good reading and mastery of basic math is all that is necessary to qualify one to learn just about anything.

Not sure we can teach classes in discipline alone, but that’s really the final component.

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Upvote a million.

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One day when I was a financial analyst in Aerospace I used logarithms. Every other day, addition, subtraction, multiplication and division. Sometimes percents, but never calculus. Or matrices. Or Trigonometry.

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I wholeheartedly agree with this. Highschool/college were not only a complete waste of time, they actively harmed my development. To this day, I truly believe that if I had spent that entire decade of schooling doing literally anything else (jerking off at home, committing petty crimes, watching paint dry, seriously anything), I would be better off.

A massive, massive waste I don’t think I’ll ever fully recover from.

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Totally with you on this one. The modern education system is a hustle serving two main objectives:
1. keep the young out of the job market (eliminating competition)
2. creating jobs for the older ones (mainly women); education has become THE emancipation vehicle of choice for governments.

I can honestly say that 17/18 years of formal schooling didn’t bring me a single benefit. Pretty much everything i know is self taught or on the job training. On the other hand i did have to unlearn many faulty teachings i was spoon fed.

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Roosh
America sucks. That’s most of the problem. Winston Wu has issues but he’s right it’s sit in a car, be a cubicle drone, get fat, pay a mortgage- what a dream!

How about pay 1989 prices, talk to girls 15 years younger than you, be surrounded by great art and culture, be in a culture where men still matter. Americans are dumb- you are smart Roosh. America sucks.

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No one forces anyone to sit an a car , work in a cubicle and get fat and pay a mortgage . Im born and raised in USA and none of this applies to me. Granted too many fall into the trap but Its not difficult to think for yourself and make your own way .

Europe may seem like a nice choice now , but they have a negative birth rate and in lieu of having families they import sharia people to do their work and or receive welfare benefits , who in turn have several children . What will the results of those enlightened decisions be ?

You want to see the future of Europe and all their great artwork and culture. Look to Afghanistan and the beautiful 1000 year old buddha statues carved into a mountain sides. Wait you cant. Sharia people invaded and destroyed it all.

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Gentiles don’t have the Jew support system, now do they? Lololz and tell us now, who bombed Dresden and destroyed Russia’s churches? IT WAS THE MUSLIMS, RIGHT?

Choke on a bagel, fag.

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Funny that you can call someone else a fag , when you were inquiring about my penis in another thread . haha.

Allied armies bombed Dresden .
As far as Russia’s churches , there are thousands of them ,so don’t know what you are talking about .

Hey you may want to reconsider having Youtube videos be the focus of your life !!!!!

Homo !!!!!

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complete straw man argument. one minority gov in germany, bank rolled by the elites to counteract socialism, that caused disproportionate harm because of industrialization 80 years ago. We won the war. How is that a checkmate? ISIS cant even do a fraction of the damage a century later because their corrupt, undevleped hick socities can’t even manage a goat-fucking farm…

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The grass is always greener in the other side

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Schools today are merely training young boys to be obedient slaves to their feminist lord and masters, and this includes both public and private schools.

And eventually home schooling will be outlawed unless we get our overdue civil war.

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I’m a teacher in an American public school and you’re absolutely right. Our curriculum is not effective because we try to cover excessive information without providing the meaningful rich context which is vital for processing it. We are adapting national learning standards that are raising the bar but it will take us realizing that a valuable education should be a dialogue between teachers and students. We need to get away from our “banking” style of education where the students are empty vessels and the teachers deposit all the necessary information. We cannot forget the roles society, community and family play in educating young minds.

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Common Core does not raise the bar. You must be a teaching assistant.

Roosh is recommending a classical education, not Common Core dumbed downed tactics

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I thought I was clear. I agreed with Roosh and proposed the dialogue that would be part of a classical education. The Common Core is the system’s bandaid for a gushing self inflicted wound. Moreover, personal attacks hinder dialogue.

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@Martin Woo. Looks like your reading comprehension skills are lacking. You need a tutor!

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I liked the best the part on how you would educate your son. Do you know of anyone who has tested that hypothesis? I am very interested in this for obvious reasons.

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I doubt anyone has done what Roosh proposes to do with his kids (yet), but I do know of two families who did Cyber School. It’s akin to online public school. They offer a wide curriculum. Both guys are pleasant, well-adjusted. Both got full-tuition merit scholarships at the state public university which has a very solid program for science-engineering-really any major. One of those kids got a good job and the other went for engineering grad school–obviously he gets a stipend now as a graduate student. Sending those kids to Cyber School and being more active in their education verses most American parents, was a good decision.

My friend who had this upbringing and who has a job now also had an older sister who did the program. She also has a good job and she also had a full tuition merit scholarship. The parents both worked in both cases and just were very interactive with their kids at dinner and on weekends, making sure they were doing their studies, making sure they chose good classes.

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You should do a redpill MOOC.

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On top of debating whether or not the educational system is a waste of time, most college courses are horrendously expensive. This is why many young women are using sugar dating websites such as whatsyourprice.com and tempted.com to have their tuition fees paid for them.

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If they were smart, they’d take the bux and ditch the tuition.

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No Roosh, you’re wrong. It wasn’t merely a “waste of time”. It actually was a HUGE LOSS to your future. Instead of learning a useful, modern competitive skill like web page design or software development when you were young and agile, you were crushed with bullshit obsolete crap. Today’s subjects, history, english, and most math are COMPLETELY obsolete in the modern economy.

I’m seeing this now with my own kids. 2 hours a night of homework — all of which is useless crap — so my kids don’t have time to learn the skills they want to master, modern digital skills.

It’s the cold dead hand of the elders, holding back the young.

By the way, I took my kids out of the local school system. I am joined by a huge out flux of other parents. Rats leaving a sinking ship. And, this was a very modern district by US standards.

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Not everyone can make a living being a web designer. or software developer.
I partly own a small proprietary software company. I don’t know how to program and if I did , I would have ended up working for someone else.

You don’t get rich working for other people.

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Meh, chicken/egg. Businessmen with knowledge in tech isn’t uncommon, nor is a combination of computer science and business majors. Hell, for a lot of places, just having programming skills isn’t enough, gotta have the business credentials to go along with it.

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History is the most important subject. Not only does one learn to read and write, but to logically organize material and create thesis. One also learns how society works and how to be a citizen. Coding is making an app…

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Good article Roosh, you are not the first to point out the difference between schooling and education – two very different things.

It is more important to have a mental / conceptual framework of how to think instead of knowing what to think, which unfortunately is how most of western society educates people. Most academic disciplines are also too insular and fail to bring in other important concepts from disciplines to make the a student well-rounded Renaissance Man.

Charlie Munger, a self-made billionaire and one of the wisest / richest man alive preaches in Poor Charlie’s Almanac the importance of developing a multi-disciplinary latticework / mental model to approaching life and problem solving. He calls it “learning the big ideas from the big disciplines” instead of getting bogged down by trivial details like memorizing facts and dates.

If I had a kid and the funds, would definitely consider your way of educating him or her instead of sending him to another diploma factory.

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Who can pick a major at 18? Americans are expected to choose their life’s work way too early with way too few viable options (“Communications” degree, anyone?). Australia at least has a “travel year’ between high school and college so kids can figure some things out. Europe, I believe, has more of a focus on trade school as a viable alternative to 4 year degrees. College in the U.S., more so now than ever, isn’t worth the extraordinary financial costs. If you go the wrong route, you’re screwed with $100k/debt.

I picked the entirely wrong major for undergrad, worked a few dead end jobs having nothing to do with my major, but then developed a passion for an entirely unrelated field in my mid 20s. Luckily I was able to change course, got accepted into a good graduate school which led to a solid career. But it took a shit ton of work to change my direction, recognize my previous academic mistakes, and find a program with a good post-graduation employment record.

I can easily see how someone can get trapped in the wrong major which leads to a series of bad jobs. I congratulate Roosh for finding his passion and trying to make the world a better place in the process. I hope more men who were misled by the U.S. education system can do the same.

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Good for you. I am currently in the same process. I can’t bear the thought of becoming an ultra-replaceable, headset-wearing cubicle jockey for the rest of my life.

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The meandering college student is a bit of cliche now, especially among milennials and Gen CrY. The whole “having a job that pays but you’re miserable” thing is largely Western tripe. You’re putting food on the table, quit complaining.

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“If I have a son, he will receive a classical education from a dedicated tutor at no more than two hours a day. ” followed by an afternoon of him running day game near the local high school.

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I just don’t know how some men will willfully want to bring-up a child in today’s society to begin with… 18 + 4 years of that sh*t? & I agree with some other commenters here. Trying to decide what you want to do with the rest of your life at such a young age is a joke. Listening to my cousins complain about their lousy 4-year college experience makes me happy I went to trade-school & gained the manual dexterity I will possess for the rest of my life. Also, seeing the long faces of the 40, 50 & 60 year old men I would see every day as they dragged their feet onto the job only to complain about their wives & kids daily…I learned life’s most important lesson for your 20’s & 30’s. “Don’t get married & pull out routinely.”

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What’s even worse is some females in the west expecting us men to raise up their bastard children, I’ve had women criticize me for not “manning up” to commit. Their ex must’ve left them for a reason..

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In my early 20’s, I exercised the idea of dating women that made the poor decision to conceive the seed of another man. Telling myself that “She’ll be more grounded & stable”. But the bottom line is, I am simply not patient enough to deal with someone else’s brat child & young mothers are actually worse to date in terms of time & resources than a cute bubbly girl without a kid.
Now, I just view women with children as a trap & I still cannot wrap my mind around the thought of a woman stretching something the size of a watermelon through something the size of a peach.

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“the thought of a woman stretching something the size of a watermelon through something the size of a peach.”

Actually it’s more like a large grapefruit through something the size of a lemon.

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What a joke of an article. You have not learned to think on your own; you were educated. And so the sky is blue.

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This article might be more your speed, it’s on a Jewish momma pushing her spawn to find Doctor as suitor and have Lotsa little ones before her biological time clock runs out! It’s a little contrived, but I’d bet a dollar to a donut, you would even notice!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2936960/Brooklyn-woman-turns-brutally-honest-text-messages-Crazy-Jewish-Mom-overnight-Instagram-sensation.html

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Oy vey! If you insult muh articles I’ll call you slow and link you to something retarded — where I’m projecting my own retardation!! HAHAHAHA

You’re an idiot as are the rest of the “my education was meaningless” retards out there.

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I think you may be confusing education with indoctrination!

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And “on the street” is simply another metaphor standing in for “through everyday experience.” Guess what? I learned that in school. You can complain about schooling all you like. If you suck eggs in school instead of do what you’re told, of course you’re going to fail. Go to trade school. Build alternate routes and travel along them. But don’t try to say that school is a waste of time. Only a hardcore fool would say that.

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I’m staring at my Modern day school, it’s called the internet!

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Another major issue is that education delays adulthood. Why are young people so emotionally immature? Because they go to school until they are 24 years old.

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I live in the US and go to high school here right now, and I feel like I learn nothing useful. Especially in my biology class.

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Really? Cell biology is interesting. Chemistry and Physics are important to know.

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It seems liked waste of time and is mind-numbingly boring, especially since it has nothing to do with what I will do after I finish high school.

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Hate to tell you, but RL doesn’t get much better in that regard.

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“If I have a son, he will receive a classical education from a dedicated tutor at no more than two hours a day. The rest of his time will be spent exploring nature, music, athletics, woodworking, art, and of course, the scientific method.”

When I read this, it brought tears to my eyes.

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Excellent observations. I would suggest to you and your readers to explore the works of John Taylor Gatto, who takes your theme and develops it in much greater detail from knowledge he’s accumulated from over thirty years of teaching experience and research. A good (but long) introduction can be heard in this recording of a speech he gave here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBVT3Pk_iFE

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The problem with questioning your education is where to stop. It’s like pulling on a loose thread only to have the entire jumper unravel as one misstatement (and/or falsehood) leads to another, and so on and so forth, until you have nothing of substance left but a collection of loose thread.

This is especially true for the Golden Rule, the basis of our society, being nice to others in the hopes of compelling them to be nice to you, excepting there is no guarantee of reciprocity and, more & more, this golden rule (among others) has been modified to absurdity, favouring one group over another, until there is little or no reason for most of us to be nice anymore, gender being only the most glaring & disproportionate example.

Time & time again, I have been taught (as you have been taught) that it is a rare & special privilege to be NICE (to be selfless, generous and serve others) but, the question remains, young Sir or Miss, why should I (or anyone) be nice to you when you fail to be nice in return? It’s ‘quid pro quo,’ my dear, ‘something for something’, either ‘nice for nice’ or ‘spite for spite’, so tell me again what a worthless, piggish and privileged rapist I am, do tell.

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Ditto for me. Although I was a better student perhaps, graduating High School with ‘honors”, getting a full ride to University in Engineering, but then dropping out after a few years. Why? Because I figure out that I was being gamed by the system.

Kids like me in a huge auditorium were spending a great deal of time and money to be ill-taught a complex subject, only to do rather poorly on solving problems — problems on paper no less. I discovered I could purchase a $9 Schaums outline (back in the 80’s), spend a day or two solving problems, and then *acing* the exams without ever going to lectures by a uninspired and unqualified teacher, or worse, a slave-labor grad student.

The greatest thing that the educational system taught me is that I CAN teach myself anything, and that I NEED to teach myself, because the wasn’t teaching me much of real value.

The most valuable things I’ve had to learn in the 30+ years since college are how to make money (and it wasn’t from engineering), how to communicate and work with people, how to deal with women, how to deal with the gumerment, investment, taxation, and personal sovereignty. None of these things were taught to me by any education system, teacher, tutor, or class. I’ve had to learn on my own by researching, reading, experimentation, experience, and the like. And, I have a solid resume of meaningful accomplishments that cannot be traced to my so-called education. And with a couple of solid accomplishments under one’s belt, he can know that he is capable of accomplishing practically anything he sets his mind to, if he’s willing to invest the time and energy to accomplish it.

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The more important question here, I think we will all agree, is how many underage children have you had sex with? If you’re running around Europe bragging about the dozens or hundreds of “18 year olds” you’ve banged, one can safely assume you’re also going after the 17 year olds, and the 16 year olds, and the 15 year olds, etc. on down the line.

Now this isn’t illegal in most of Europe (except for all those 12 year olds you’ve been with), but unfortunately for you, you are a citizen of the United States and sexual tourism is highly illegal and you are subject to all U.S. law on this topic regardless of where you go in the world. So the real question is, “When will the United States or Interpol finally reign in this international child rapist?”

Clock’s ticking douchebag.

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I’ll bet $100 you’re a pedophile. Projection much?

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To say the least I feel the same way. I am 19, with my whole life ahead of me, but already I do not feel I have learned much in school. Everything I know, all of my skills, and my intellectual curiosity comes from the inside or through my own efforts outside of school. The only thing I give it is teaching basic reading, writing, and arithmetic, maybe a little science, but other than that, it all on me or people outside of school.

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There is not a single thing I regret more than going to university with the intent of getting a job.

My wasted 5 years of economics study has been utterly and completely useless and set me back years of my most productive youth, when all the time, I just wanted to work and make something happen. I only went to university due to parental pressure and never having been told anything about the real world and the opportunities in it.

I am self employed now, but in my 30s, I can only look at young guys dropping out and already having years of entrepreneural experience in their only 20s. I on the other hand is still learning, but 10 years older. Like learning game at a later age, learning business at a later age is also more difficult. You need harder, faster and quicker crash courses, which is a real problem as the need for comfort grows with age. It’s great fun to live a peasent life in your early 20s working on your business, not so fun in your 30s, when you’ve already tasted the comfortable life.

If you go to college, do it for two reasons only:

1) Go into a field with a lot of math and IT and with direct access to finance. Do anything to get into an investment bank. The only field in which you can still make obscene amounts of money as an employee.

2) Go purely for the purpose of banging as many young attractive women as you can. No time in your life before or after will you have access to the same pool of hot girls. Forget about studies, pick something very simple like humanities and get some a scholarship or part time job to stay out of debt. Do the absolute minimum to stay on. Work on your business skills in the meantime. When you get too old for American college, get into a European one, where it’s common to be mid to late twenties.

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“I just wanted to … make something happen.” Five years of college, and ten years after, you are still whining about your lack of accomplishment!

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I just live next to a college and run my online business. Why the fuck would you pay for school when you can fuck the girls and rent is dirt cheap?

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Great post ! Can I get your e-mail?

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President Truman never went to college and was more educated than most presidents since then, even reading classical Greek. People wax eloquently about how many people today are educated, but how many of those ostensibly educated young people have even the skills of an 8th grader of Truman’s time? I’ve seen people with masters degrees who still need to whip out their iPhone to calculate a tip (on a single ticket check – not split among eight other people). Most college graduates have no second language ability, lack a basic understanding of Latin (the foundation of their language and of much of western civilization ), and few have ever cracked a history book beyond the Wikipedia-derived book reports they were forced to produce at their collectivist training camp of a high school.

Who’s to blame? The kids have been fed the idea that if they don’t go to college they will be a loser, yet we witness plenty of losers acting like losers at big state college athletic events, especially post game. The education establishment dangles the myth that everyone must be educated and therefore on the fast track to upper middle class lifestyles., and the government feeds this with cheap, easy student loans. Colleges thank them by raising the tuition every year, and to these young skulls full of mush, the debt is just a number – bad things happen to other people, not special snowflakes like them.

Finally, the parents ego is what drives the process, leading the politicians to feed this ego by “making college more affordable” with more of said cheap, easy loans backed by uncle sugar. I’d have some sympathy but at this point there’s enough information available that it’s caveat emptor.

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What is wrong with law school

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The human mind does not fully develop reasoning skills before age 25, so you are not alone in this realization about the effectiveness of your schooling.
However ,this IS the reason why grade school and university are just memorization and mental mimicking for most people.
The curriculum and expectations have been designed with the average mental limitations in mind.

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Currently a senior in college taking a full course load of business credits (18 hours). Still, I spend more time educating myself about the things that I should be taught than what I should be studying in school. Furthermore, what I learned a year ago has now been forgotten, especially when none of the course material delves into detail about any of the underlying subjects. The thing that pisses me off the most about college is that it doesn’t teach you how to make money on your own.

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If you’re so uneducated, then how were you able to write this post? You obviously learned how to read and write at some point in your life, stupid.

Count the irony.

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I can sympathize with this quite a bit, and have mixed feelings about the worth of my education, through my BA, MA, and MS degrees.

I went to a private high school that, fortunately, stressed a good deal of the liberal arts. So, I was exposed to Shakespeare, Theodore Dreiser, Ambrose Bierce, Edgar Allen Poe, and the rest of the “greats” at a relatively early age, even though most of this was in bite-sized chunks that are commonly found in literature surveys. Still, it was better than nothing and I do hold gratitude for that.

In addition, I was getting interested in classical music around 17, building on some exposure I had from earlier, while still in grade school. Wanting to learn more about classical music led me down other roads in history, literature, and then philosophy. Classical music was a “gateway drug,” of sorts. Again, something that I’m grateful for.

Then, I went to college and majored in liberal arts. Though, for life, indispensable, they were worthless for getting a job over 25 years ago and trying to flourish. Ditto for getting an MA in the subject and then wanting to teach, even English in Korea in the mid-90s. Adventures, but poorly paid and I couldn’t stand being in Korea past two years, despite having a liking for Korean girls.

Two good things happened to me all of those years ago. First, I somehow realized that, at 16, I was deficient in critical reading and tried to do something about it, focusing a lot on reading exercises and speed reading. I was worried that I couldn’t keep up with the reading that I was going to do in college (which turned out to be nowhere near as much as I had feared). Second, after transferring from my first-year college, I realized that I had to put forth more effort to learn and to try to guide myself, so I sent down the road of auto-didactism. I was 20 at the time. That, more than anything, has served me well. If the Internet and the Manosphere had been around at that time, I could have learned and matured much quicker.

But, I didn’t feel that I had “made it” in a personal sense until 29. Fortunately, I wasn’t too worried about women at that time and in the years before, so I didn’t feel that I missed out on much and I probably avoided some bullets by not marrying and not being reckless and knocking up some chick in a moment of weakness.

So now, in my early 40s, I’m at that stage where I can look back and do a concerted life survey. As with all, there were some things I did right and some things I did badly. The latter I blame on diluted education, the state, and brainwashed parents, even though my parents weren’t crazy and didn’t handicap me as much as they could have.

I don’t regret some of my education, because it was more classical and liberal-arts based. What I regret is not having a Manospherian education, about women and about societal degeneration. My father and the men in my life, not to mention the women, couldn’t have given this kind of education to me. I had to learn it myself.

And, sure, I’m more confident, and I have less time. That’s the irony — the greatest education of them all.

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Oh, so you wll educate your son at home for only 2 hours a day and let him explore life with the rest of his time, eh? Oh no you don’t. The government will force you to send your son to public school. It’s called Universal and compulsory “education”, education being a euphemism for propaganda. You really think you are the first to have thought about it. Nice try though!

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What? Maybe in India but in Roosh’s country both homeschooling and unschooling are legal.

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There are so many barriers to it and so many regulations to follow for homeschooling, that it is as good as illegal for a large number of people.

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I worked for a while as a Math tutor and came to the conclusion that our system is the worst for teaching math. They try to teach it as rote memorization when in reality people need to beto be given minimal information and to be prodded to make their own attempts. I had one girlfriend who went from “I’m just one of those people who can’t do math” to being the person who everyone in the class went to for help within a year. The fact that the regular classroom never gave her that after 13 years is a damning proof of ineffectiveness.

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You are 100% right, and there is a growing movement in the US that is well aware of these issues. Even your 2 hours/day estimate is right on! http://alternativestoschool.com/2015/01/05/homeschoolers-winning/

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I’m not interested in being “Educated” and I don’t give a shit about the classics. I went to school for the same reason everyone who doesn’t have a trust fund goes: to get a decent paying job.

We have BS degrees. Then we have BA degrees which show the student was too stupid/lazy to get the required math and science credits to earn the BS. I propose a BT or Bachelor of Technical degree. This would show that the student took all of the required classes for the major but didn’t waste their time with the filler non-sense. Would MicroSoft have a problem hiring Comp Sci majors who didn’t take philosophy or fine arts? I’d like to find out.

There is not, nor has there ever been “Ethics” or “Morality”. There is legal and illegal. There is getting ass raped in prison and there is ‘free to go’. “Keep your word, don’t cheat people” would fall under civil and possibly criminal law. Ethics and the like is the same as Chivalry and Bushido; they are bullshit constraints that the powers-that-be use to enslave those who do not reject them out right.
I am living proof that you can not learn ethics or morality from a class. I took the required classes and I am proudly Amoral and unethical.

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Mostly agree. Too much rote learning. Classes should be group and individual projects that combine a variety of skills to accomplish a goal. Rather than “subjects”, all subjects should be taught as they are needed to accomplish a grand goal at the conclusion of a class. Proficiency in each “subject area” can be assessed by different “tests”, or milestones along a project deadline.

For instance, let’s say for the sake of argument that I’m an engineer. Such a job requires reading comprehension, verbal communication, written communication, math skills, understanding of the scientific method, scientific knowledge, historical knowledge (let’s say I’m designing a fighter aircraft–I would need to know about previous battles, what the conclusion was, and what technical or strategic changes I need to make as a result), finance (managing project funds to keep from going bankrupt, allocating budget to different groups, etc…), learning a foreign language to communicate with team members or partners in other countries, the list goes on and on.

Rather than teaching just for the sake of showing to the state that you know, if the learning serves a higher purpose, it sticks long-term so much more readily, and, perhaps more importantly, the student is trained to utilize the knowledge as it is needed or useful, rather than wear it as a trophy in a game of trivial pursuit.

You could combine subject areas as they were appropriate and perhaps split the day into two sessions. Each session would build toward a larger goal toward the end of the class that had a tangible result (rather than a test score).

Every year, the project could become increasingly more complex, but may even be able to keep the same theme. For instance, in kindergarten, you could have students design a glider. This would involve reading comprehension, as students would have to understand instructions, they’d have to communicate with team members. By senior year of high school, they could be designing autonomous UAVs (with limited capability of course).

If students found themselves more aligned with an arts track, you could do the same thing, only with composition or performance.

Basically, you start kids along the same track and divide their times between projects, and, as they show aptitude or proclivity in a certain area, they progressively devote more of their time toward one side or the other. For instance, say a senior project for the techies was an autonomous helicopter/drone, the art kids could still be involved, only devote limited time and be involved with either the paint scheme and/or graphics for the final presentation, or they could edit a promo video for the project.

Similarly, the techies could design lighting, fxitures, or electronic devices to augment the performance for the artists as long as it was minor involvement but where the art students needed to augment their skills with those of those on the tech side.

Business or sales-minded students would gravitate toward promotion and organize events and/or manage the complex political structure tying all these people together would require.

This is how the real world works and would be a good model to develop in schools. The shock of the real world would be less, and we would prime the kids in our country to be future world leaders, as, they would understand the practical value of their knowledge and be able to do even greater things with that knowledge as they progressed into their professional careers.

“Classes” could be held only periodically, as debriefings when a project or projects reached milestones or hit stumbling blocks. In these limited circumstances, the teachers could allow the students to learn from their failures or the context of their successes by providing parallel historical examples. It would make the depth of the lesson so much more personal for the students, and they would retain the historical knowledge, not just as legends of the times of yore but as experiments gone wrong or right in the ever evolving experiment of the human condition.

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I too look back on my schooling as a total waste. Fortunately, my parents were intellects who valued critical thinking. They also despised consumerism. This made for awkward moments as a child when I would be surrounded by my peers who were discussing the newest episode of the sitcom of the moment and I all could is sit there mute. We had no TV, so watching it was out of the question. As an adult I look back on my youth, thankful that my parents created an environment where my mental faculties were allowed to blossom starting at a young age. As an aside, I remember learning about the Marxist dialectic from my father. He had been at Boulder in the 60s and hung out for a time with some of the radicals if that era. Within a short period he saw through their modus operandi and hypocrisy and quickly concluding that they were Western Marxists. He instilled in me an understanding of these types of people and how they operate.