My First Night Out In DC

I was judged.

I went to Marvin (2007 14th St NW), a U-street hipster joint, with VK, Roissy, and fan favorite Insomnia. It’s a tough decision of whether I rather be alone in a mega-club filled with future models that don’t speak my language or with friends in a bar where I can count the hot cute girls on one hand. It was most interesting that most of the male patrons there had style that was better than a stylish Argentine or Brazilian girl—but they weren’t gay (consciously, anyway).

Two young girls walked passed us and I said, “My friends like cats.” It worked of course because of my supreme alpha body language. Three of us rotate between the two girls, just feeling out the vibe. I had a short conversation with one of them, a 21-year-old American college student at George Washington University. She was attractive without major physical defects, but just four days out of Rio I wasn’t inspired.

It took about six minutes for her to ask me what I “do.” I told her I don’t do anything, just some things here and there. She asked me what I used to do and how I can survive without a job. “I have some money saved up,” was my response. Then she said, “You are so idealistic.”

A couple years ago I met a girl who was aggressive in exchanging numbers. We did a coffee shop first date and talked for an hour. It was obvious to me there was no match but I was still nice. At the end of the date, unprompted, she said to me, “I think I know what your problem is…” and then proceeded to tell me what she thought was wrong with me. She was American as well.

Does every girl think she is a psychologist because she took a couple Cosmo personality quizzes?

I didn’t call the 21-year-old out for being a baby who doesn’t know anything besides drinking, homework, and sucking the occasional dick. We already know what her response would have been: “But I’m so experienced for my age!” (Why is it the only people who tell me that are young, white, and privileged?) I politely let the conversation fade and went back to enjoying my Stella beer. I know my revenge will come one day, when about five years down the road she’s in a situation where she questions her path and will regret not asking a couple open-minded questions to a mature man who questioned his as well.

I downloaded some new porn when I got home—I’ve been watching the same shit for six months.

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inSOMnia
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Remember when asked what you do my favorite is, “head cashier at McDonalds”

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again, it goes back to what I said in my comment in that other thread.

Get out of DC.

Ava V
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next time say you’re unemployed and live in your car

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“But I’m so experienced for my age!” (Why is it the only people who tell me that are young, white, and privileged?)

You put it into words. This is absolutely spot on…..

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First, since when is “idealistic” an insult? Did she say it with a dismissive sneer?

Second, all things considered, she used the word “idealistic” inaccurately. It’s not like you joined the Peace Corps or something. You backpacked through South America for six months. That’s adventurous, not idealistic.

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“But I’m so experienced for my age!” (Why is it the only people who tell me that are young, white, and privileged?)

So funny and so right.

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“Two young girls walked passed us and I said, “My friends like cats.” It worked of course because of my supreme alpha body language”

So, is this a way to get girls to come over and start talking to you? I missed that one.

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pure selfishness. a girl has to be completely self-absorbed to psychoanalyze you instead of ask questions out of sincere interest. but that also shows she was into you.

btw, the other chick asked me what i do within 30 seconds.

“what do you do?”
“how about a little more enthusiasm.”
“what?”
“i need to know you really want this. ask again.”
“ok. what do you DOOOO!”
“i can’t hear you!”
“come on!!”
“ok. i do nothing.”

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Ha when, the same girl got around to asking me, I responded with

“lay pipe” during the day “club baby seals” at night.

Keep being nice dude, since I got her number we might acutally have to hangout with them again…

By the way don’t front on those Cosmo quizzes, I took one and apparently I’m a narcissist who’s incapable of ever truly loving anyone who runs from happiness and stability. Wait that was my horoscope, never mind

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Women aren’t the only people who ask the question “What do you do”; I get asked that all the time by guys, both in this area and in other places. It generally either proceeds or follows the usual “where did you go to school” question.

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Good answer my inSOMnia, but I like to come back with “I drive those DC Duck Tours.”

That line is a goldmine, believe me.

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i do IT. and i have never found a good answer that doesn’t make it sound like a lame lame profession.

ah well, ill just keep cashing big paychecks.

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i do IT. and i have never found a good answer that doesn’t make it sound like a lame lame profession.

spaceman, try hacker.
or electronic surveillance spy.

who cares if it’s stretching the truth? you think girls would give you their precise dress size?

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One point and one question on this one…

First, when I was single I admit I did often ask the “what do you do” question, but it actually never occurred to me to do it for status- or money-driven reasons. Work takes up a large part of our waking lives, and I personally think that what a person chooses or aspires to do with all that time often says a great deal about who the person is, what s/he is passionate about or interested in. I’d ask the question of men and women and then use it as a jumping off point for what common interests we might have to talk about to keep the conversation going. “What do you do?” sounds a little less cheesy and intrusive than “What are you passionate about?”

I’d also observe how a man talked about his work. I wanted to be with someone who had a sense of direction and was generally happy with his life. A person who is happy at work usually makes for a happier partner & a more upbeat person to spend time with.

Once I asked a guy hitting on me in a bar about his job, and he refused to answer. I pressed him, thinking I didn’t want to bother having a conversation with someone who couldn’t even be upfront about such a basic part of his life. The conversation didn’t last long. It took years (and reading this blog) before it dawned on me that he was probably offended or being secretive because he thought I was some kind of gold-digger.

I know that not every girl’s motives are as innocent as mine were, and I’m sure some do ask the question to size up a guy’s status/earning power. But is that really any different than a guy accepting or rejecting a girl based mostly on her looks? A number of guys in this blog circle assert that this behavior is perfectly acceptable because men are simply genetically pre-programmed to size up a woman’s health and fertility by checking out her skin, face, breasts, butt, etc. If that’s a valid argument, then what’s so wrong with a woman following through on her genetically pre-programmed urges to select for potential partners who have enough resources to care for her and any possible children?

To be clear, I see nothing wrong with men being visually-oriented; that’s the way it is, and women who want to attract & keep their partners need to take care of their looks. I just don’t understand why guys get so offended when women want them to have something to offer back in terms of life purpose and ability to provide resources.

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good point ?. Also, alot of male bloggers in this circle spend a great deal of time ranting about women in professions where they make alot of money. (See, Roissy and Roosh’s MANY posts about lawyers, and Roissy’s post about female’s jobs- http://roissy.wordpress.com/2007/10/10/what-a-girls-job-tells-you/). It’s clear from reading Roissy’s post, that according to him at least, the higher a woman’s income is, the lower her long term relationship potential. So basically, you’re a gold-digger if you don’t make alot of money and are relying on finding a man to support you, or you are a “chick with a dick” ball cutter if you do.

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Someone said to me once, “If you meet them in a bar, you’ll leave them in a bar.” What I’m suggesting is why complain about the lack of quality IN A SINGLES BAR? It is all about quantity and lack of quality, (although entertaining and sleazy.)Just look at Roosh’s “Game” – a self-proclaimed expert on how to manipulate small-minded, immature, slutty, stupid alcoholics. The pot calling the kettle black.

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So you didn’t get laid, Roosh…you poor baby!

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roissy, good ideas, i could also go in the other direction:
“Have you ever seen that movie officespace?….thats my life”

I don’t think that would come off as well tho.

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jg & ?:

what’s so wrong with a woman following through on her genetically pre-programmed urges to select for potential partners who have enough resources to care for her and any possible children?

There’s nothing wrong with a woman who does that… but there’s equally nothing wrong with men who choose not to agreeably play along. I’d think most people would prefer to be in a relationship with a partner who loves ‘them’ for who they are – not for what they ‘do’. A person’s job can change many times, but the person’s character will always retain some element of continuity.

‘What’ I do isn’t ‘who’ I am. Asking about occupations is asking about status… and I don’t think it’s wrong to prefer to be evaluated by people who care more about character. Bottom line? I think it’s perfectly acceptable for a woman to try to select a mate based on his ability to provide resources for her… as long as she’s fine with guys who choose to dismiss her as a serious long-term prospect as a consequence.

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Unfortuantely we are all judged everyday, for how we look, for what we do for a living, for where we live, and essentially for every decision we make. Guess we all better get used to it.

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So basically, you’re a gold-digger if you don’t make alot of money and are relying on finding a man to support you, or you are a “chick with a dick” ball cutter if you do.

try again.
here’s what i say: women are wired to be attracted to male power, which means that they don’t get wet for men who have lower status than they do. (male status can refer to any number of positive traits, not just money or occupation.) i’ve written that female lawyers, because of their high job status and incomes, would naturally be faced with a smaller pool of acceptable dating prospects. throw in the fact that most of these battleaxes are more masculine and ambitious than the average man and it’s easy to see why they hit their mid-30s and beyond still single.

and make no mistake about it, most big city lawyers ARE afeminine ballcutters because law school is one of the most cutthroat ultra-competitive environments out there, a non-stop orgy of rancor and endless argumentation fueled by gargantuan egos, and in order to survive the weeding out process you have to be a killer shark among sharks.

this is why i counsel men to stay away from women with prestigious careers and big incomes — odds are she will slowly become disillusioned with her man if his status stays lower than hers, making a longterm commitment very risky indeed, especially in modern america where the divorce deck is stacked against men. plus, there is the fact that men prefer feminine women — dating a lawyer is a reversal of the yin yang polarity. stick to fucking them like they were dirty little whores.

as for golddiggers, they come in many varieties. it’s hardly limited to poorer women. in fact, some of the best love i’ve gotten has come from girls making a pittance in salary — girls, i’ll note, who demanded very little of my money in the form of gifts or expensive trips. it’s actually more often well-to-do women who actively pursue men based on financial considerations. i’d estimate about 10% of women in their 20s are certifiable golddiggers. most men who have lived a day can sniff them out no problem and move on to more inviting targets.

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i do IT. and i have never found a good answer that doesn’t make it sound like a lame lame profession.

ah well, ill just keep cashing big paychecks.

What a world we live in that the people who generate the most economic value end up being the ones with the lower status white-collar jobs?

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Roissy: straight up SCIENCE.

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Well-put, Question Mark. I think that’s a great point, but I think the rebuttal would be that most women don’t want a guy who only wants to be with them b/c of the way they look (at least overtly), and most guys feel similarly about women chasing them for their money and status.

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Roissy: not necessarily true. IT is like any other business field. You start out low and progress into managerial/VP/CEO type roles. Don’t hate.

And since IT is extremely in demand right now, the payscale is probably skewed a bit higher than normal?

what do you do?

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Don’t hate.

that wasn’t me. the person who wrote the post after my anti-lawyer rant forgot to change the name field.

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I don’t get this one. I agree with what you are saying about the chick analyzing you, but I don’t get the not answering about what you do. Why not just be truthful? Most of the time it’s a way to either tell if you have something in common with someone, a way to make conversation, or a way to weed out gold diggers.

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Isn’t it so much better when the girls just stare at you salivating… and get upset when you don’t kiss them within 5 minutes?

Give it another week and your Rio withdrawal will peak…

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Does every girl think she is a psychologist because she took a couple Cosmo personality quizzes?

So sad….but so true.

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the person who wrote the post after my anti-lawyer rant forgot to change the name field.

My bad. I’ve never seen that before on any other site.

And IT is in demand, but the wages are being kept artificially low by importing HB1 visas from abroad.

No complaints here-we need high IQ immigrants.

But the FOB from India who forgets to shower is NOT doing the engineering image a favor.

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You should just tell the next girl who asks you what you do for a living “I retired, I invented dice when I was a kid”.

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Blah. That should be “I am retired, I invented dice when I was a kid”.

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some random chick: So what do you do?

mono: Surf, read paperback novels, smoke pot, hit on Brazilian chicks. Not necessarily in that order.

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Where the hell did your pissiness come from? She calls you idealistic and that makes you pop your tampon right out of your cooch? Relax, man. Stop acting like such a skirt.

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How many guys here have considered the power of being able to hand a girl a ‘prestigious’-looking business card in a club?

This is a very complicated subject, and obviously stinks a mile high of elitism, but from a purely pragmatic point of view, I can attest from my 10 years living in DC that it often works like a charm.

You’ve got to “git in where you fit in”, and there’s a whole pecking order thing to this, so obviously, handing a card that says you’re a Staff Assistant to Rep. Numbnuts won’t help when trying to chat up a 30 year-old corporate attorney or jaded lobbyist type.

But, for most guys circulating among the younger crowd of interns and DC ingenues, a solid business card with a marginally-impressive job title can be your ticket in.

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btw, you guys turned into blog BFFs!

how cute!

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“How many guys here have considered the power of being able to hand a girl a ‘prestigious’-looking business card in a club?”

yeah, if you have a business card that says you are the #6 cocksucker at the RNC (Or DNC if you swing that way) it helps with a certain segment. This city is all about power.

On the other hand the one possession that I have noticed works 95% of the time is having a great home. I’m talking the +1-2 million dollar pad, impeccably decorated on the waterfront in Gtown type place. There’s something about that that is like catnip to a lot of girls.

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Monohechomierda, true that!

I generally find that taking a girl on a brief around-the-world flight on my private Jumbo Jet generally helps to set the mood, but under no circumstances do I take her to more than 3 continents on one trip. (That would be tipping my hand.). And no more than 4 bottles of Chateau d’Yquem, per girl, per flight!

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It was great meeting you that night, too. Man, I kind of wish I could have spent more time hanging out with you all. Your night had way better stories than mine. I had to be on good behavior since I brought sand to the beach…well, actually, it was more like sand to the pond that night. But if you catch Marvin on the right night, it’s definitely more like a beach…

I probably fucked p that metaphor ’cause I’m a little drunk right now, but you know what I mean…I hope. Shit. LOL

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eh, I personally think its really toolish when a guy hands me his business card, no matter what his job is. Usually guys like this are very ameturish and probably aren’t very advanced in their careers no matter what their shiny business card says. I find it much more attractive when a guy brings up his job into the conversation in a very off-hand, casual way; it makes him seem much more confident and comfortable in his own skin.

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“Two young girls walked passed us and I said, “My friends like cats.” It worked of course because of my supreme alpha body language.”

’nuff said. you’re a giant douchebag.