Nationalism Is A Trap

More people are coming to the truthful conclusion that globalism is a failure and nationalism, where a country’s people and interests are valued above that of non-citizens, is the way forward. A problem is that the globalism-nationalism framework is exactly the type of dialectic elites can use to usher in a global war or crackdown to further increase their power.

Imagine there is a wife who is tired of her husband going out every night with his friends to drink. Instead of nagging at him every evening, which would have the effect of motivating him to leave the house even sooner, she will wait until he gets into a drunk driving accident or serious bar fight so she could “draw the line” and make the reasonable ultimatum for him to never drink again. The husband is more likely to listen to her after something wrong takes place than after he had a safe night out.

Right now the nationalist movement is being allowed to gain strength so that a future event can act as a trigger for globalists to “draw the line” on the movement by imprisoning or killing its strongest members. In other words, globalists plan to use nationalism as a trap, a device they transform into to their advantage. As of right now, the budding nationalist movement is extremely useful in allowing them to identify all “resisters” before easily crushing them when the time is right.

Elites cannot advance their plans without a dialectic

The way the elites move an agenda forward is through a dialectic, meaning that two opposing ideologies rub against each other, create friction, and from that comes a desired result (i.e. “order from chaos”). Those in power either control or monitor the existence of both sides to guide and bend the dialectic to serve their ends.

The recent rise in nationalism, I speculate, has been allowed because previous dialectics such as capitalism vs communism and democracy vs terrorism are no longer useful in advancing the desired agenda. Soviet Communism is dead and increased terrorism did not allow planned wars in Syria and Iran to proceed like 9/11 did with Iraq and Afghanistan. In addition, the white vs black race war is years late, stubbornly resistant to the gasoline that Obama pours onto the fire. A new dialectic must be nurtured, and so nationalism may just do the trick. Hillary’s recent alt right speech officially debuted American nationalism as the new “enemy.”

While your conclusion that nationalism is logical and beneficial to a nation is true, and I’m sure to agree with it, you were guided onto those beliefs. How did you arrive at nationalist thought? Through decades of free trade, feminism, and open-door immigration that have worn you and your country down. Your arrival at nationalist conclusions is the direct result of globalism, which means that nationalist thoughts exist in your mind only because of the likes of George Soros, who pulled out a million Muslims from his hat and placed them in Europe while sponsoring a multitude of social justice organizations in the United States. His actions and behavior, along with other powerful globalists like him, have essentially created your very ideology, because you are entrenched in a dialectic where opposing forces must exist and be in combat with each other.

The growth of nationalism is “useful”

Nationalism must continue to grow in power right before the moment it can threaten globalist banking and geopolitical interests, and when it does, the globalists will clamp down severely on it. As if replaying World War 2, they will identify a nationalist country as the big bad bully, and then use that country as an excuse to start a war that will simultaneously weed out nationalists throughout the world by sending them to die or having them arrested at home for “subversion” or “treason.” Russia is the evil nationalist country that neocons and others have been poking, and even Poland is being puffed up into an “undemocratic” country in order to hedge their bets.

A hint that this may already be taking place is that France recently called upon “patriots” to serve in their National Guard to “protect citizens.” Since when does France care about patriots? They have committed no consistent actions in the past decade that suggest they do care, so we must reasonably conclude that this new army is a trap to attract nationalists into a game where the end result is their death. I wouldn’t be surprised if France’s beefed-up army is used to start a war in a place like Poland, which will be painted as an aggressor that caused “economic attacks” upon the saintly Western Europeans.

As long as you’re in the dialectic, which I see as a sort of Twilight Zone creation of the mega rich, you’re fighting on their terms. They need the nationalist “grassroots” uprising to create violent events that allow them to re-assert control and power. Even though nationalism may be the most sane movement of the day, it still plays into their hands as long as we insist on having only two sides of the debate, good and evil, as if we were living in a Hollywood-style storyline. Instead of this two-dimensional arrangement, the solution may be to go 3D, where you can move front and back and around in a spectrum of ideas, instead of just left and right where you’re a pawn of the game no matter what side you pick.

Just because a nationalist “resistance” is growing, doesn’t mean that that the globalists in power are being hurt. Without being able to effectively control the Western population through the Cold War, terrorism, racial divide-and-conquer, or modern Russian aggression, they are hoping that the nationalist movement grows enough to create the conflict that moves their chess pieces forward. While I’m not urging you to throw away your nationalist beliefs, as I surely won’t throw away mine, it is clear to me that a trap is waiting to be sprung, and we will all suffer when it’s finally launched.

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Laguna Beach Fogey
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The rise of Nationalism was inevitable, like a force of nature. It’s a natural reaction. The survival instinct is kicking in.

But you’ve got it backwards. We are going to clamp down on them.

If recent events have taught us anything, it is that the globalists and their carefully-erected System are incredibly fragile.

All it will take is a little chaos to bring the whole fucking thing crashing to the ground.

And therein lies our opportunity.

Identity always trumps ideology in the end.

Tomorrow belongs to us.

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nice comment, LBF

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Thanks, brah.

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While I agree with your position, AND it CLEARLY delineates the flaws in the central argument, profanity only serves to weaken the point you’re trying to make. You are SPOT-ON ACCURATE in your assessment of the issue, cause and most likely (in my opinion too) outcome, but when its watered down by something THEY can focus on INSTEAD of THE POINT, it necessarily weakens the point AND the position. Just a bit of a heads-up. You’ll be SHOCKED at the difference in the nature of responses to your positions over time, between those that had a bit of profanity and those that don’t. STRONG doesn’t need it, and YOUR COMMENT was as strong as ANY I’ve seen. I FEEL the same way you do. Best to you and yours – C.

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Millions of people will die from a “little chaos” it takes to take down the globalists. It won’t be a smooth, bloodless transition.

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Bravo Roosh! THIS is next level thinking.

“All things therefore that you want men to do to you, you also must do to them. This, in fact, is what the Law and the Prophets mean”

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/matthew/7/#v40007012

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“Millions of people will die from a ‘little chaos’ it takes to take down
the globalists. It won’t be a smooth, bloodless transition.”

USSR, 1991.

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If the USSR 1991 had fanatics willing to mow down every protester with machinegun fire then it would have turned out differently.

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No, it won’t be peaceful.

We must take the coming opportunity to wipe them out once and for all.

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Everyone ever born will die. It’s part of the cycle of life, which sometimes needs a bit of phase adjustment, call it “vital phase advancement”. (“I’ve got a little list … they never will be missed”)

It will be very difficult for even all-out world war to kill enough people to reduce the population growth of the world, let alone the population itself. You’d have to kill about four people per second forever just to keep the population from growing.

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“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” – Thomas Jefferson

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I don’t think that you can target the true elite ruling families with full-on violence. The technological advantage the upper levels have are decades.
At best you can achieve a violent revolt that lets the current rulers in peace – let bygones be bygones, but simply changes the government, monetary system and our entire world. Let them live with part of their wealth, but watch them closely if they attempt to ever do it again.

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Who is “we” and how are “we” going to clamp down on anything or anyone? Hell, even here in the states “we” couldn’t stop something as obviously bad as Obama Care, illegal immigration, and mass voter fraud. People think their vote is the one silver bullet to shoot at the threatening werewolf. But most people keep voting in the same congress time after time.

As for chaos, the best shot of seeing that ignite a movement was Occupy a few years ago. The “we’s” of the occupy movement were easily infiltrated and subverted by the “them’s” who were prepared to flip another grassroots movement, like they’ve been doing round the globe on a regular basis.

Prisoners in concentration camps couldn’t figure out the power in their numbers to overthrow a few guards with guns. Consequently millions died. How do you think a relatively comfortable citizenry will respond to chaos, other than to support those who squelch it so as to return to their big big screen tv’s and smartphones.

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The problem is, nationalism is a dividing force, not a uniting force. The moment two countries start opposing each other on commercial and political goals, the nationalists would foster war between them. The Concert of Europe was ruined by nationalists. The consequence? World War I eventually started. The reason why the left steadily grew more powerful as the 20th century went on was because the right was busy eating each other. All the nationalists were busy hating each other’s guts because they wanted their country and their country alone to be top dog in Europe-because they were nationalists. All the socialists and communists, meanwhile, were busy talking to each other surpassing national boundaries, uniting with each other and corresponding with the Soviet Union. And what ultimately took down Europe’s colonial Empires? A nationalist by the name of Adolf Hitler waged war on the colonial powers of France and England. And that was the beginning of the end for European dominance of the world. Nationalism can help us now against the NGO types and the NWO, but once it consolidates, it’s going to be just as much a problem as the NWO is, perhaps even worse, because at least the NWO has the agenda of one world under peace, and it forces its enemies to unite against it.

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Well that’s the lesson of the 20th century for the Right, isn’t it? Particularly of the First World War and its fallout. When conservative societies are busy fighting one another, instead of working together with mutual respect, they inadvertently open up the opportunity for radicalism to undermine their societies.

You’re quite right to note that the Left is inherently internationalist. Leftists from all countries naturally work well with one another. They’re all on the same team. Conservatives need to take a hint, and learn that their biggest enemies are not (insofar as its possible) fellow conservatives in other societies, who just happen to be conserving different values. You don’t have to agree or accept those values, or allow them to damage your society, but you should recognize that another country’s faults don’t necessarily have to concern you.

World War One destroyed Old Europe. Let’s not make the same mistake.

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But the problem is, nationalism is inherently antagonistic to other countries. What is nationalism? It’s love of your country. Over everyone else. Other countries can only be loved if they’re your allies. If they become competitors, they’re suddenly worse than Satan in the eyes of nationalists. That’s why nationalism is doomed to fail, just as globalism is.

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Yes. Instead of uniting as Europeans (which as a whole are at least as similar and united in belief and history as Americans), nationalist leaders looked for ways to split different Europeans 20 different ways and pit each other against neighbors in war. The end result was the unraveling of everything that white western culture built in the world, and it is still going on today.

Prior to World War 1, there was a strict patriarchy, slut-shaming, no feminism, and strong institutions like the church which encouraged moral thinking (and united Europeans together under a common faith). Women did not vote, and were mostly happy being wives and mothers and fulfilling their biological role as they did for centuries beforehand. After WWI, everything white European males built is being torn down.

If ROK leads us back to nationalism, we will only get caught in this loop of destruction again. I agree with a lot of criticisms of the current system, but disagree that nationalism is the answer.

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One thing led to another, didn’t it? This is why I view many modern nationalists as idiots.

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Are you kidding me? There’s huge differences in belief and history between Europeans. In general prior to World War I European countries (particularly Great Britain) were morally conservative, but it doesn’t mean European countries are united in any way.

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They became more divided and weak thanks to nationalism and the world wars that followed. Also, prior to the World Wars there was a Concert of Europe and intermarriage between royal dynasties that kept the peace. Nationalism shattered that.

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They say the elitists have technology 50 years advanced of what the masses have. Everything they do is lies and subterfuge. If you’re an OC guy you’ve been around some snot nosed old money- they’re basically often pathological liars and tricksters and many are Satanists too aka the god of this World who they worship to get their power from. Everything they do is sideways and they laugh about it all confusing evil with intelligence.

If the super elite have advanced technologies at their disposal and trillions of dollars what’s to stop them from neutron bombing (a bomb that doesn’t destroy material things aka what they love only human life aka what they hate)everybody through some bs war. This is why those creeps are into space colonies and travel- they plan to fly away to a space colony when they decimate the globe through some war scam and come back later and enjoy all the material goods, natural resources, and land for themselves after their lies killed off most of the population. Have you ever heard of the Georiga Guidestones or Albert Pikes 3 World Wars? Those two things are a synopsis of the elitists long term plans.

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“to start a war in a place like Poland, which will be painted as an aggressor that caused “economic attacks” upon the saintly Western Europeans.”

I really hope the kikes don’t find some excuse to destroy Poland and Hungary.

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They’ll more likely used Poland as a warzone in a WW3 against Russia.

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I dispute the idea that is planned or am I misinterpreting the article? the fact that someone arrives at a position via reaction isn’t a problem as such. In good economic times people are expansive in their thinking in bad economic times people get defensive. That is the only real “dialectic”

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You are correct. The idea that their is a master plan by one group or another is fantasy. Yes, there are groups pushing ideologies, but ideologies come and go. The most correct idea is that movements that cannot sustain popular support will die on their own.

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The fact that you and your acquaintances can’t plan the next meal, doesn’t mean there are othesr who can’t think of the second , third and forth order consequences of their actions. They are not gods or perfect and many of their plans fail, but they are definitely smarter than you.

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Roosh – what the fuck? First you are against globalism (which I am too) now you are against nationalism. Then do you have a solution?

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I don’t see it as against nationalism, just a warning about how the Left is going to use nationalism as the bogey man. The “trap” is buying into the dialectic.

Nationalism is a trap when it becomes THE value as opposed to A value in a hierarchy of values. We see this when “no enemies to the right” becomes an excuse to partner with NatSocs who are undoubtedly shot through with government informers. Or when we attempt to create a “mass” movement like the tea party with identifiable organizations that can be audited by the IRS, investigated by the ATF etc.

We must not let our enemies set the pace or the terms of the argument. The French example is telling, “Why hello nationalists, why don’t we give you your own army?” That seems really, really, suspicious.

We need to hang tight for November. If Trump wins and keeps his word, we can set about catching our breath and getting stronger. If Trump loses expect all kinds of people to suggest violence and new faces to show up. Spoiler alert: they will ALL be informants.

And I’m sure some of our dumber brethren will get caught up, go to jail, and be used as examples of the need for a wider crackdown.

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Don’t worry so much about government informers. They could be everywhere or nowhere. If they want you they will find you. Being a Nazi is not a precursor to being infiltrated. Recent articles on this blog have pointed out how they have a presence in many harmless groups.

The key is to simply never do anything illegal, or discuss such things with anyone. If the time ever comes when law and order has sufficiently broken down enough to engage in extralegal activities, it will become apparent.

Don’t let the government threats chill your speech or conduct, that’s what they are hoping you will do. Just don’t give them an obvious reason to lock you up and you should be fine.

If they start jailing dissidents, then we will know where we stand and can adjust our strategies accordingly.

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Its the potential instability of the NatSoc that would mean rash action that will endanger the cuase.

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Read the article again with your emotions in check, especially the last paragraph.

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Ok I did just that. At the first time I quickly glanced over it – not taking everything in. Thanks for calling me on it – my bad.

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I didn’t interpret the article as being against Nationalism. I read it as a warning not to accept the coming conflict as a straightforward black & white one but rather to anticipate the use of an ideological Trojan Horse.

I read it as respecting & understanding that the Enemy is formidable & willing to wear different ideological clothing & masks to get what they want.
It takes a wise warrior to anticipate & identify the clues to the deception.

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There are lots of merit to what you say- the hegelian dialectic is one of their best tactics.

Thesis+Antithesis= Synthesis

Nationalism IS a natural response to their “efforts”. Do we not think they already know that? Do they not poke the rat that what it does seems “natural” to it?

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Nationalists already occupy the moral high ground.

If they start jailing or killing us, then we will have won.

The Empire’s days are numbered.

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And the reverse is true.

That is why you sound like a undercover agent provocateur when you start talking about spilling blood, here, and places like Heartiste.

YOU are how movements are destroyed.

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This is the perfect article for this meme:

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Outstanding thought-provoking articles coming up every week on this blog.

I agree that the Hegelian Dialectic is one of the go-to items in the elite toolbag.
However, in this case, it’s very tempting to think that this is “the one that got away from them” and that they are playing defense now, being reactive rather than proactive. Did they fumble the ball somewhere along the way?

One thing I’m convinced of is that the ultimate goal is global governance, followed by extreme depopulation. This would mean that the natural opposition to the elites is nationalist and populist ideology. Decentralization.

Nationalism was never an idea that was pushed into my head. I had to fight long and hard to understand and accept it. Most of my friends and family have had no such epiphanies. If they are trying to push more people into it, they’ve failed.

Is Trump’s explosion on to the scene as a Man of the People, Scorched Earth Nationalist, all just part of the stage-managed game in order to herd the people into the desired line of action? I really don’t think so. He’s been saying these things since he was a young man.

Maybe it’s just the string-pullers having enough power to turn nearly any situation to their advantage. So nationalism may not be a trap per se, but they area able to address every possible outcome.

In short, if the rise of the alt-right and nationalism over the past ten years was cultivated by the shadow government, and if Trump is part of the act, and if Roissy and Roosh are CIA propagandists, then the puppeteers are so damned good at what they do we don’t stand a chance!

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Well said.

I concur that the Elites, in this case, did not foment Nationalism as an anti-thesis. It is a legit chink in the armor.

But now that Nationalism is here with Trump and Brexit, the Elite will move their chess pieces around and now treat Nationalism as one of their own anti-thesis’. They will infiltrate, subvert, fund and co-opt.They will spring multiple nationalist traps to identify and then crush their enemies. I feel Roosh is bang on with that latter assessment.

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Nationalism? Sounds good to me right now.

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All Nazi symbolism aside, those days are never coming back no matter what happens. Too much has changed, especially technologically.

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Kind of posted tongue in cheek.

Other than the socialized medicine and some other negative aspects, the Nazis did have their shit together overall. Amazing technology for such a short period in history and we owe much to their efforts. The US did not bring back Nazis to start the space program for no good reason.

I would prefer more limited government, but most like their slavery and imposing it on others.

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In a homogeneous, nationalist society, most people want their fellow man treated medically if he has a disease. That explains why no nation except the racially diverse USA has a problem with it.

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“In a homogeneous, nationalist society, most people want their fellow man treated medically if he has a disease. That explains why no nation except the racially diverse USA has a problem with it.”

Most people do “want their fellow man treated medically if he has a disease.” Most people also want their fellow man provided food if he is hungry and shelter if he is homeless. However, all that abstract wanting by “most people” disappears when it comes down to directly paying out of their pocket for strangers, but they’ll gladly vote for the government to tax (steal) from presumed others, and even hope to benefit from the theft themselves somehow in the future.

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Yeah but in the end it all leads to a clusterfuck. Europe’s economic woes (before multikult and now exacerbated by the invasion) can be traced back the “urge” to “treat” everyone or to feed everyone…on someone else’s dime, without consideration for one’s children and grandchildren. I guess with “good” Socialized medicine, children are not necessary…

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I don’t know, I feel that a wealthy prosperous society can afford to tend to the health issues of its population, the same way it can pave its streets, pick up its garbage, and educate its children for 18 years. I think most of the problem is resistance by everyone taking a cut of the insane profits (friend just told me it cost like $8,000 a day to put his kid in Children’s Hospital–that is just insanity and has no relation to the actual expenses incurred in treating said kid).

The doctors don’t want to make slightly less of a 6 figure income. The insurance companies want to continue making their cut. The drug companies want to continue their doctor-bribery programs, etc. I read that 96% of ER visits are not emergencies. The ER is designed to treat emergencies, and instead it is used as basic health care for those without insurance policies. That’s a horrible health care system, and it needs to be fixed. I personally think it is cheaper both financially and socially to simply take care of all major health issues on a societal level. Every developed nation on earth except USA does this, so I don’t think one can point to a couple of European nations in financial trouble and say it’s because attending to the health needs of the population is a bad idea.

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Spicy…virtually all European nations in the short, medium amd long term are broke not just the PIIGS. Even Germany CANNOT keep the promises made to the elders, let alone millenial people like me. Those hare brained schemes were thought for a time when 5 was the number of average births per women. Fiat money, financial bubble,outright deception to create halfassed confidence, central bank direct manipulation and insome cases the wealth our ancestors produced are the things that keep the whole ship afloat. Don’t fool yourself.

By the way pavement of roads and infrastructure are not the same case as universal healthcare. The former is the only thing the govt can do besides defense and no one else can, not with the same efficiency and with the interest of the nation at heart. The latter (healthcare) it’s the personal responsability of the interested and his family. That has been the case for most of the human history, just like the raising of children.

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USA is also incredibly broke, and it has little to do with health care. This is a side effect of the credit economy, not the fact that caring for the health of the citizenry is too expensive. What’s the alternative, we just all die at 40?
As far as defense I’ll say the Swiss model is far superior to any centralized army. The US never had a strong offensive military until the second world war (and indeed it is illegal in our constitution). Part of the reason it was never invaded is that instead of just figuring out how to destroy x number of tanks and y number of planes, you would need to figure out how to take over 100 million households one by one. And that’s not to mention it is orders of magnitude cheaper. My household pays over $6,000 a year for the “military to keep me safe.” In reality, it puts me in enourmous danger and costs me an absurd sum of money.
Is education also the responsibility of the person and his family? Or is there a greater good to society by having an educated populace?
I’d say there is a clear benefit to having a healthy, safe, secure workforce. And the days of “Oh John has a cold, his wife and mother will care for him until he is able to work again, and his brothers will bring them food” is a far cry from “John developed some advanced skin eating bacteria and needs treatment from a team of professionals with expensive high tech equipment–that is something where one really needs a society to assist them.

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Spicynujac, you have welfare and an industrial military complex (empire), both things being unaffordable, hence your people had to repeal the gold standard. Europe has a super welfare state since that luxury could be afforded by the military presence of the U.S. Both systems belong to the dustbin of history, for being the hare-brained schemes they are.

There is a reason in Singapore, has a contribution based retirement scheme, where people save up to 35% of their income for retirement, earn interests and can withdraw their funds without paying taxes: You cannot place the burden of welfare on future generations unless your birthrates are well beyond the replacement rate (2.1 children per woman) and you expect this continue indefinitely. Anything other than this is pure madness and hypocrisy. Not even China is this irrational, they know they fucked it up with their 1 child policy and decided to configure a system modeled after Singapore’s. Did I mention that by 2013, Singapore’s healthcare costs are on average 80% less than those in America. If our governments were honest (and our population more disciplined), in the west similar and even better systems could be set up thanks to the free market.

In reference to your point on the Army, a militia is very good at making the life of invaders impossible, but it doesn’t prevent invasion of a determined enemy. The US haven’t been invaded due to its geography which makes it a logistical nightmare for any Asian, European or African based superpower to invade. Hell, even if Mexico or Canada where the points of entrance, it’s still a nightmare. Moreover the Swiss model relies on conscription, something Americans haven’t done in decades. They might not have a formal army but most of their population know the basics of military organization and up to recently (thanks women vote for taking away the ammo) , they had their military machines fully loaded and any invader would be facing not a group of bandits but an organized revolutionary army. No matter how you look at it, defense is one of the few reasons for setting up a state machinery. I agree with you that your army is over-dimensioned and should be re-adjusted and shrunk but not eliminated. A country without an army is akin to a castrated man.

P.S. I understand that for such a scheme a strong government is needed, but not in the way you would imagine.

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The German economy was kick-started with the US capital anyway. They simply took back what was theirs in the first place.

Read real history.

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(((jz95))) your concern trolling is noted, but you’re not really in a position to dictate terms anymore. Those days will come back as soon as White Men will them to.

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Call me whatever you want, faggot. I don’t give a flaming fuck that you’ve got a hard-on for the Jews.
Even if Vox Day gets his race war, even if Jared Taylor gets his 100% “white ethnostate,” the idyllic days of the 1950s are never coming back, no matter what happens. Birth control let the cat out of the bag, and it’s never going back in again.

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You think the patriarchy can’t and won’t ban birth control? Is that because you think the patriarchy can’t and won’t end women’s suffrage?

You have it backwards. Those idyllic days are inevitable.

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You gonna ban the internet too? It’s not necessarily a bad idea, but virtually impossible.
No. Those days are gone forever, sad to say. There’s just been too much change. Things can get better, but the way things were 60 years ago are never coming back.

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Ban the internet? Of course not.

There’s just been too much change. Things can get better, but the way things were 60 years ago are never coming back.

All the change can be reversed, it just takes sustained male willpower. If men are not willing to take the necessary steps, then of course nothing will change.

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Believe me, there’s no going back. Unless there is a major cataclysmic war, women are not going back en masse to being barefoot and pregnant. Granted, we might see it in western Europe, but since it looks like Trump will probably be elected president, we will most likely be spared this scenario.

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women are not going back en masse to being barefoot and pregnant

Is that because you think American men are weak, or because women are strong?

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Well, in all fairness all it takes is catastrophe and collapse. Just ask the Romans…

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Correct, but perhaps that won’t be necessary.

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It’s cute how you think women would allow that to happen smile

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How will the dyke brigade stop us? They don’t call you the weaker sex for nothing, dearie.

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In a democracy, we will vote against your interests. In any other system, we will fight you. Underestimate us as “weak” at your own risk.

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Don’t make us break out the harpoons.

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Lmao! Try it!

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You’re under 30, right? You’ll live to see it.

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I’m 24. I’ll live to see it. I’ll live through it. You might not.

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If technology implies feminism, which one do you think the Patriarchy will choose?

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Hate to agree with jz on this one but I think he is right. The previous world is not coming back *unless their is total civilizational collapse* – like practically nuclear war level collapse.

The “Patriarchy” is certainly the natural order in non-industrialized societies. And since human beings have existed in such societies for much of history, we kind of take it for granted that Patriarchy will have to return at some point. But this is not necessarily so. Once a society becomes sufficiently industrialized, technological and democratic – then Matriarchy becomes the natural fit, whether we like it or not. Technology artificially levels the playing field between men and women. Women no longer have to depend on men and can earn their own way (yeah, with an uhealthy dose of big government help at every stage).

It’s not just the Elites pushing feminism and equality down our throats. They are certainly pushing their agenda but a huge part of this is just the natural extension of technological societies. Just look at Japan, where western Elites hardly push any propaganda. Yet Japan suffers from the same gender issues and low birth rates as the west.

Bottom line, no movement will EVER get women to vote themselves out of the vote or pull back on technology. You could never even get most men to come on board with that idea. The only exception, as mentioned, is if there was complete destruction of our civilization – slate wiped clean. Then, and only then, can a new patriarchal order arise.

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Of course it won’t happen “naturally”. Men will impose the new patriarchy by force of will and force of arms. Where do you think nationalism leads?

You could never even get most men to come on board with that idea

You probably also thought that you couldn’t get most of men on board with nationalism. And yet, Trump is about to win the election.

Observably, there is no greater threat to the nation than women’s suffrage. Where do you think nationalism leads?

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Nationalism is one thing. Men have spent the last million years doing it and will continue to do so. Putting your women in line…tough task specially since in our possibly neo-pagan future, women would be a power to reckon with, specially in the northern countries whose pagan tradition and social mores encouraged women freedom, freedom which only was constrained by the natural constraints (lack of technology) and later on by Christianity, real one (trad Catholic or Orthodox).

No my friend, if anything white feminists and outright whores will be embraced as part of the “tribe” once the SHTF. Only a real catastrophe will cure us of our disease…or a miracle.

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Feminism, unless checked, will destroy the West. (Soon.)

If enough aliens have been imported by that time, then the West will die (along with feminism). If not, then the patriarchy will be instituted by force and women will be begging men for protection.

Alternatively, nationalist men will defeat feminism before the collapse. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that feminism is an existential threat to the nation.

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these days will come back in a form or another because human history is a never ending cycle. There’s nothing new under the sun.

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We don’t know exactly what the plans are, but it truly seems that the rise of nationalistic parties cannot be stopped. In many Western as well as Eastern European countries more nationalistic conservative anti-immigration parties are getting voted in. This happens in the UK, Sweden, Denmark, Germany, France, Austria – as well as Poland, Hungary etc.

A very possible outcome of this is that in 20-30 years a massive war with Islam can be started. Since there will be 100-150 mio. Muslims living in Europe (and Russia being 30-40% Muslim in some areas as well), this will be an incredibly bloody war that might go into the next and final world war.

The globalists could even start it by major false flags – mini nukes in multiple Western and Asian countries – all blamed on the future ISIS.

After such a massive conflict which will ultimately kill billions (and the majority of Muslims), then hardly anyone will oppose a supernational One World Government – all for peace of course.

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That does smell like the overall plan.

“The Clash of Civilizations” and it’s concomitant “War on Terror” are the biggest frauds ever perpetrated against western civilization and the peoples of the world. It’s all completely artificial, fueled by one false flag after another.

Most “radical killer jihadists” don’t even exist! The vast majority of so-called terror attacks are carried out by western intel agencies, at best using a few Islamic down-syndrome retards as fall guys. Most of those fall guys were on the western intel payroll and thought they were taking part in drills.

And the few “real” fanatics that exist (like ISIS) are total creations of the west – recruited, trained and armed by the west and used as a proxy army for both foreign and domestic operations.

Most people forget that there was NO ISLAMIC terror just a couple of generations ago. I’ve talked to a number of former hippies (including females) who made solo treks from Europe, all across the middle east, through Afghanistan and down into India WITHOUT ANY ISSUES WHATSOEVER. If anything, they praised Muslims for their unparalleled hospitality. Thousands of westerners made this trek up until the late 1970s:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippie_trail

So what happened then? Well, for anyone who digs into it – WE HAPPENED (or more accurately Western Elites happened). We fomented radical Islam in partnership with Saudi Arabia. We overthrew democratically elected leaders, choking out democracy every chance we got. We bombed and destroyed one middle eastern country after another (except Israel of course). We trained, armed, funded and set loose an army of rag tag lunatics, to behead Christians and peaceful Muslims and finally sent these hordes straight into Europe.

*** WE ARE ISLAMIC TERRORISM! ***

And that’s the truth. Unless there is a mass awakening to this truth, billions will likely perish in the grand war that the Elites are patiently setting up.

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Yes and no. What you say is true and false flags are many – and so is financing of radical Islam. BUT – you have to realize that Islam was violent and backwards long before the globalists took over. Kemal Ataturk fought back Islam because it was so stifling and negative. When the Shah took over Persia the illiteracy rate was 75%. Back when the hippies travelled around Islam has indeed been pushed back. In Pakistan NO ONE wore a Niqab and even if, then everyone made fun of her. Also don’t forget that in countries like the moderate Turkey there were a huge amount of slaves (also many whites) right up until the 1950s!

The globalists have likely been responsible for those fast reforms of Muslim countires from the 1920s to the 70s. But they changed plans in the 70s and financed the NORMAL RADICAL ISLAM that is radical from the very base. Khomeini was likely an MI6 agent and the radical organizations like Muslim Brotherhood are certainly globalist funded.

So yes – this terrorism is globalist funded, but I did notice a difference to old terrorist attacks like 9/11 and 7/7 – there are ever more real Muslim terrorists doing it and not just agents and fall guys. Also the 200.000 crimes done by the rapefugees in Germany since Merkel’s madness was done 100% by Muslims. The days of the hippies are long gone – also long gone in the Muslim countries.

It’s back to Mohammed’s violent texts and deeds and the globalists are putting gasoline on it – also doing the odd terror attack. But the globalists have not done the thousands of rapes, murders and assaults by the current rapefugees. The Muslims have to take responsibility for something. They are brainwashed by an evil cult. And the West is brainwashed by this farce called democracy.

AND WE ARE CERTAINLY NOT THE TERRORISTS! Westerners are even less guilty than the Muslims, because at least the Muslims do really horrible deeds in the current system, but the Westerners are just docile sheep waiting for the big slaughter.

Though in the end it will be mostly the Muslims slaughtered, because the future world citizen has to be a docile producer-consumer. There will be no place for Islam (an neither for Christianity btw) in the new world order.

By the way – you sound a bit like a Muslim apologist – the current youth in Belgium for example are all for ISIS heroes and there have been celebrations when major attacks happen. This is also ISLAM. Also I might add – I am not against Muslims – they are often warm and generous people, but Islam is a negative ideology that was just pushed back from the 1920s to the 1970s. And even then honor killings, inbreeding, slavery – was all happening and still happens in most countries. Peaceful behavior is relative.

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Good points.

I am definitely NOT an apologist for Islam. I don’t think Islam has any place in the West, unless numbers are kept to below 1% of the population and even then – only allow in educated professionals, not any of this migrant riff raff.

That being said, I am still of the opinion that most everything we know about “radical” Muslims is so much smoke and mirrors. The Cologne, New Year’s Eve mass rape-fugee hysteria is a case in point:

Let’s get this straight – 1,000 women supposedly raped and groped in a mass public festival, in a western democracy where every person has a camera phone, a Facebook account (and probably Instagram and Pinterest too). And yet NOT A SINGLE VIDEO OR SNAPSHOT of any violence whatsoever. None. Zero. And the ONE teenage girl who made a complaint to police about being raped, was later forced to retract her story and admitted she made it all up!

Where are these 1,000 rapes? Who got raped? Where are the police reports? Where is there even a single shred of any evidence whatsoever? It seems to me like another Rolling Stone UVA hoax on mega-steroids, yet directed by the Elites, not by any single publication. And yet many sites in the alt-right blindly accepted the story and have perpetuated the “New Year’s Eve Mass Rape of Germany” hysteria, which only further fuels this artificial Clash of Civilizations.

We are all being played.

Notwithstanding the above, there are certainly *some* actual cases of Muslim rape (Rotherham, a few cases here and there all across Europe). But even here, there is Elite direction. What would anyone expect if you let in 2 million young foreign men into a country, whether Muslim or not? Think of all the rapes American GIs perpetrated in Vietnam, and that was with oversight from military supervisors who were supposed to maintain discipline. What if 2 million unemployed American young men were instead simply dropped into Vietnam in the 1960s and abandoned there? Young men from one of the most advanced countries on earth? What do you think would have happened? I can guarantee mass rapes, looting and general mayhem would have happened. And if the Vietnamese media was paid by foreign Elites to ignore the scandal and their police paid to put down any local protests and protect the foreign hordes – then the problem would be identical to what we are seeing in Europe. But in this thought experiment everything would be blamed on the backward, violent “American Fanatics” etc., etc.

I guess my overall point is that most everything we think we know (about anything really) is so heavily infected with massive propaganda and false flags that it takes almost super human mental vigilance to try to sift through everything and find “the truth.” Every time you think you found the truth, there is one more layer to pull back that negates previous conclusions…

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The way the elites move an agenda forward is through a dialectic,

agreed.

While your conclusion that nationalism is logical and beneficial to a
nation is true, and I’m sure to agree with it, you were guided onto
those beliefs. How did you arrive at nationalist thought? Through
decades of free trade, feminism, and open-door immigration that have
worn you and your country down. Your arrival at nationalist conclusions
is the direct result of globalism, which means that nationalist thoughts
exist in your mind only because of the likes of George Soros

this is the weakness of Cuck / Con-servatives, yes, that they are controlled to a large extent by their thought masters.

here’s the thing though:
the Truth exists independently of it’s origins.

IF you follow the Truth where it leads
THEN it matters little what some Parasite will try to influence you to do.

because, *at some point*, the Parasite will HAVE to stand athwart Truth and attempt to divert you from that path. this is, after all, how the Parasite secures his advantage, by inducing you to accept the Lie as a substitute for the Truth. often by telling you that you will also benefit from the Lie ( although never so much as the Lie will cost you, Social Security and Single Payer are excellent examples of this ).

this is why i often point out that most of the problems the US has WOULD NOT EXIST if we simply followed either the existing Law ( to the extent that it has not been perverted ) or the actual, historical founding principles.

for instance, the Equal Protection clause and the 14th and 15th Amendments have been by judges to mean that private businesses MUST bake cakes for fags.

but that is NOT what those Laws are about. the 14th constrains the States, EXCLUSIVELY ( that is, NOT the People ). the 15th concerns voting rights EXCLUSIVELY.

No State shall make or enforce any law

photographers refusing to take pictures of fag weddings is NOT IN ANY WAY the “making or enforcing” of a Law, and it is actually a pure violation of the Right of Freedom of Association to force the photographer to do so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Text

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Text

pretty much every other argument in the Marxist / Humanist Dialectic shows itself as a Lie in exactly the same way.

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I would agree that nationalism is advantageous to the globalists to portray nationalists as the bogeymen. If and when they do stand up and be counted they are coming out of cover and its all or nothing. In such cases it is difficult to predict how any conflict will work out in the end.

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Roosh, how exactly does the rise of nationalism benefit you personally?
If the “American ethno-nationalists” come into power, things won’t exactly end well for you or your family, judging by historical trends.

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Because globalism is criminalizing masculinity. Game is on the path to being made illegal: http://www.returnofkings.com/96047/england-set-to-ban-talking-to-women-in-public-as-misogynistic-hate-crime

I lay out other globalism plans here: http://www.rooshv.com/if-donald-trump-doesnt-win-were-screwed

I also have lived in nationalist countries. As long as I follow their rules and laws, they don’t bother me. But in globalism countries, they change the laws to criminalize your previous behavior.

I think you’re confusing nationalism with ultra-nationalism, which definitely would not be good for me (or anyone not affiliated with the inner party).

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What is the alt-right (at least the more vocal elements) but ultra-nationalism?

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The farthest right on the alt right is ultra nationalists. The “moderate” alt right is someone like Trump and Breitbart.

It comes down to asking who will get me killed first, the globalists or the nationalists. For me and men like me, I’m certain it’s the globalists.

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I think you’re giving them too much credit for competence. It’s more complicated than this, since it requires that there be an omniscient elite planning things decades in advance when in actuality there’s too many moving parts and it now looks like they can’t even push a candidate that’s going to make it walking to the election.

Regardless, with communications so decentralized now, the control apparatus is breaking down at an accelerated pace and they’re scrambling to keep control of the narrative. That video of Hillary Clinton fainting would have never made it out ten years ago.

That’s why I’m watching Obama’s attempt to give ICANN away closely.

I agree with the 3D aspect though. Nationalism is one value among many. The alt-right is definitely not the final answer. There are even parts of globalization that are likely worth keeping.

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it requires that there be an omniscient elite planning things decades

I can’t believe people are still repeating this exact words when the evidence for the opposite is overwhelming.

http://www.hippoquotes.com/img/benjamin-disraeli-quotes/Benjamin-Disraeli-Quotes-4_zps02904184.jpg

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The evidence is probably mostly your confirmation bias.

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No. There is much evidence to be found but like anything Truth-related, you will have to dig deep. Tragedy & Hope is a great 1,200 page starter.

Yes, there are many moving parts.

Yes, it’s impossible to control everything.

But also – Yes, there are indeed an Elite who meticulously plan things decades in advance. And they have been doing so for *at least* 400 years (in so far as the West is concerned)

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It’s hard to believe that plans have been set more than a decade in advance? Just because they adapt on the fly doesn’t mean there wasn’t a plan that was disturbed.

As for competence, they have shown incompetence in managing their human crops in the age of the internet. The new elite who replaces them will have mastered this ability.

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No, what I meant is that there are too many variables in the world to perfectly plan every contingency for so many decades in advance, not that an “elite” doesn’t have an overall end-vision.

They’re more incompetent than that still. We do however need to try and stop the ICANN giveaway. That’s the biggest story this year.

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I suggest you subscribe to Foreign Affairs, the journal for the Council on Foreign Relations (one of the main “Inner Party” think tanks in the US).

Read it for a few years and you will see exactly how they plan and announce their machinations in explicit detail, for all the world to see, and then put those plans into action year after year. Sure, there are missteps here and there. But overall, the Elite are remarkably competent in getting their agendas achieved, while feigning incompetence in the public mind.

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When your enemy is only giving you two choices, look for a third or fourth.

Go 3-D? How?

I think saying we believe every ethnic group deserves its own nation, its own space, that different and separate doesn’t lead to war, makes sense.

Decades ago, when the Crazy Louie Farahkhan held his 100,000 Man March, talked about blacks founding their own nation-state somewhere in America.

That struck me as a good idea!

Perfectly impractical, BUT a Nexus of Agreement for all the disparate groups. A SafeSpace to discuss possible Solutions in peace.

I agree with Roosh, they want us at war. We must think of a better way to get what we want without giving them what they want, which is War.

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Top article, Roosh. The same dialectics were used in the course of the two great wars to raise German nationalism and crush it for ever.

Roosh, pick a copy of this book “Conjuring Hitler: How Britain and America Made the Third Reich“, and please write your book review here. You’re good at that.

It’ll be earth shattering, I guarantee you!

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I’m already familiar with the idea in that book. I read Red Symphony.

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I still recommend you to read the whole book. The author is a professor of economics and the book is properly referenced. Plus it’s a fascinating read.

I look forward to your review here. Give me a mail box address and I’ll buy it for you.

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I’ve thought of this scenario- a war started under false flag in a place like the Baltic or Black sea, a draft starts (don’t worry, even with the impending doom, there will still be mixed sex units, and sex harassment/tranny sensitivity indoctrination).

The war used as excuse to clamp down on free speech, and anyone who speaks out against the war is imprisoned/charged with treason, aiding Russia, etc. Somehow the war doesn’t go nuclear or end civilization. BUT it wipes out the budding nationalist opposition in this country.

Only thing is I see the reaction Trump gets for pro-Russia comments, I just have a hard time envisioning them getting away with it. Even in Norfolk with a 100% military audience, he got an applause for saying “Wouldn’t it be great if we could work with Russia to go after ISIS”. To me that shows that the military is clearly awake. It surprised me that they had the gall to give that applause, given out tense the situation is with NATO right now and US troops in Ukraine, Estonia, etc.

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As I’ve traveled throughout the world, upon returning home to the US, I can’t see nationalism working here. The US is simply too big and too diverse to have a single underlying unifying culture or belief to rally behind. Though I can see its benefits, I’m suspicious of nationalism in general, as it was the main cause for the decline of the patriarchy and western civilization in the two great wars (particularly the first).

If nationalism destroyed the great western societies, and lead to feminism and multiculturalism, it is not a good policy in my book. In other words just because George Soros is wrong doesn’t make Donald Trump right.

Anyway, almost every nation I’ve been to is very homogeneous. But coming back to America and seeing blacks, whites, hundreds of different types of Christians, Jews, Atheists, Muslims, hippies, and immigrants, I cannot see how a nationalist movement could work here. Now, considering America is roughly similar to Europe in size, perhaps the answer is to break up the region into smaller nations, the way Europe is, each with their own nationalist tribes. But other than that I cannot see it working in any way.

What would the nationalist culture of America be, anyway? a bunch of African football players, and degenerates like Miley Cyrus? What does America value?

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breaking up appears to be the 800 lb elephant in the room OBVIOUS answer to all this. If blacks/ liberals/ dems hate the conservative/alt-right/patriarchy/whatever the fuck, then why wouldn’t they SUPPORT a break up of the states into regions based upon ideological principles? The only reason I can come up with is the conservatives are the PRODUCERS and the liberals are the TAKERS. The liberals don’t want to break away because that would lead to their demise.

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I agree with your overall point, but if you examine a lot of red states are actually takers and blue states pay more than their fair share. This is mostly due to the blue states having more advanced industry, higher cost of living, and thus higher salaries and therefore taxes paid.

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blue states have more income because they receive the most cash flow from the liberal coffers. we will see this play out more and more as they try to squeeze all the conservative states. not because conservative states do not PRODUCE, its because they will get shut off from any government contracts, welfare payments, think tank money (i.e. george soros money), etc… So viewed from this lens, the TAKER states appear more wealthy in an upside down 1984 world.

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Exactly. I proposed this to several progressive friends before. I told them: wouldn’t it be great, you could bring in all the immigrants you want on your side of the division and implement every big government program. They weren’t for it like I was.

They do realize at some level that they need to steal from the productive. Some may even become the way they are politically because all they are capable of is criticism of the gifted/productive in the form of liberal superiority.

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America has been “multicultural” from day one.
From the very beginning, you had the divide between the liberal Yankees in the north and the conservative Cavaliers in the south. Both of these groups originated from England. It’s been over 300 years, and they STILL haven’t “assimilated” to one another. There are still tensions between north and south, and likely there always will be.
If the US does break apart, it will not be along ethnic or racial lines. It will be along regional lines.

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Two different groups of Englishmen with different opinions is not multiculturalism you dolt.

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There were more than just “different opinions” between the northern and southern populations, you imbecile.

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Nationalism to me is simply a copout. What does it mean, exactly? There should be some universal truths that a culture should operate under, beyond just “homogeneity.”

As a thought experiment, imagine the nations of the world were all gone tomorrow. What would this mean for the future? How should the former-Polish people, or the former Finnish, or former Ukranian people react? Is separating themselves among genealogical lines the most important step? Or would it be something like establishing a set of social rules. A framework for family life. Ideas of acceptable and unacceptable behavior and ways of enforcing this.

Saying “nationalism” is the answer is the Donald Trump way of answering a question–deflecting it with feel good ideology but refusing to actually address the issue. For example, anal marriage is wrong, regardless of what nation you are from, or what your local government says about it. These rules and norms, which have traditionally come from philosophy or religion, are far more important than what nation one is from.

I would think the author should understand this more than anyone, as he is a proponent of neomasculinity, a set of independent principles, while he remains alienated from his birth nation. Would your thoughts and feelings change much as you relocate from Chile to Poland to Brazil to Ukraine? Mine would not.

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exactly, america should be more about the ability to pursue happiness rather than simply having white skin or a european descendant. I am happy to form communities around IDEALOGICAL principles vs. skin color. I’m white but I guaran-fukking-tee it I would be loathe to build a community with a bunch of white skinned scooter cart riders enjoying the Wal-Mart kool-aid.

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America is for White people, period. Blood and soil, bro.

We’ve had enough of this “proposition nation” crap. It doesn’t work.

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I hope you’re Anglo/Germanic and Protestant.
If you’re Irish, Italian, Slavic and Catholic, America ain’t your country either. No “blood and soil.”

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That’s the most incorrect statement made in this post. But, hey keep trying to divide.

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Nope. Totally accurate. The Irish, Italians, Greeks and Slavs were not considered “white” at the time of America’s founding.
As for Catholics, the founders did not view Catholicism in a particularly good light.

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Totally false. Do you ever get tired of agitating against White people? Why don’t you do something meaningful with your life, like move your family back to Israel?

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Totally false?
When the KKK was revived in the 1920s, Catholics were one of their targets. Immigration from southern and eastern Europe was restricted in comparison to immigration from northern and western Europe.
Why are you even here? Roosh isn’t white and doesn’t consider himself white. Shouldn’t you go back to Heartiste where you inbred white trash belong?

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He’s a Jewish agitator, here to sow divisions and discourage people from rallying around nationalism, because it threatens his own Jewish interests. And yet he pretends to be one of us. Go back and read his other comments for proof. We’ve seen his type all over the internet. Note his lack of name and lack of photo. Just blending in as one of the goys!

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He once mentioned to me that he was South Asian. That’s what I assumed was correct but, you may be right.

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So one question then, Roosh – do you or do you not realize Trump’s role in this plan? Also, do you not think that my prediction (posted on RoK) that Trump has been pre-selected will actually come true?

In that respect he plays exactly the same role as Hitler did. Question is, is Putin Stalin 2.0 or they have someone else in mind?

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Pre-seleted by whom? He was written off by the media and every other establishment figure. He did not have an organization when he started. If you are going to make bogus statements, how about back it up with real fact (not internet theory, someone with credibility)?

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Always remember, there’s no such thing as bad publicity. If they give him the air time it’s because they want to. Otherwise they’d have gone Ron Paul on him, if you know what I mean.

And don’t be naive, you want me to give you real facts – we’re talking here highly classified material, they are not readily available.

How did I come to this conclusion then, you may ask? Through investigative approach. When you discover few patterns you develop a nose for these kind of things, you sniff the red flags before the masses do … if they ever do.

But there is one flag which I can prove to you and it is that Trump has Jewish roots and that’s a massive red flag.

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Yes. I want real facts. If you had access to them you would not even be writing here. If Trump has Jewish roots, lets see it (from a credible source).

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If Trump is “pre-selected”, I don’t think he knows it. He could be useful to the elite while being genuine about his policies. I wouldn’t rule that out.

Putin is aware of globalist plans, knows he’s stuck in the dialectic, but is not completely controlled.

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Trump is aware that he’ll have to obey to his masters but because of his enormous ego he reckons he can be his own president. Yes, Putin is stuck in the dialectic but he is as free as Stalin was … i.e. to a certain degree.

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Nationalism is fine but when people become so emotional that their judgment becomes cloudy, that’s when globalists can take advantage, stir the pot and use any possible riot as excuse to declare martial law and have other large portions of silent majority to support police state.

For example, the right wing Nationalists might be angry that Muslims are setting up Mosques in Europe and will go after Muslim migrants but it won’t solve real issue because the root of the problem lies within the government who have the real power. The government can somehow encourage situations where it involves killing two birds with one stone. Pit a nuisance group against another nuisance group and be a rabble rouser in encouraging each group to target each other while the elites can sit back and watch in joy.

It already happened. US military and Taliban, Al Qaeda and other proxy government sponsored terror groups killing each other and all to give profits for the elites and protect corporate interests.

Also I propose secret society of some sort and go underground away from the public. At some point when power is accumulated then you can slowly peak out and enlarge your shadows but until then one would have to try to gain enough trusted people and resources who share common goal.

Government agents can always try to find a hole and try to use subterfuge and sneak in as “member” and try to incite some sort of riot or violence and make you commit illegal acts and then use that excuse to try to arrest the nationalist groups in the name of “Patriot Act” or some sort of similar ways in the name of “Democracy” or “safety of common citizens”.

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“Also I propose secret society of some sort and go underground away from the public.”

We already have that.

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This is more or less common sense. The world is a series of checks and balances. For whatever reason, inherently build into the universe is a measure to always keep the world on a path moving forward. We move too far right, and so comes the rise of the left. We move to far right, and Trump appears… Irrespective of probability, divine intervention keeps him on a path to win, why? Because that is the balance the planet currently needs so…

Of course, when the time comes, and nationalism shifts us too far from center, a trigger will occur to pull us back further left…

The message should be this: We are about to move right once more. If we want nationalism to last, we cannot take it too far, we cannot over blow our power like the left did…. That is the only possible way we can have ‘our turn’ at power, sustain itself for as long as possible.

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Excellent article.

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The ruling class has been promoting racist nationalism in Australia for 20 years now in order to undermine genuine nationalism. There is an enormous number of nationalists in Australia who are not particularly racist. Lots of Australians are non Anglo, or are Anglo who have traveled and/or mixed with a lot of non Anglos. They want nothing to do with the so called nationalist groups and the so called nationalist political party “One Nation” because every one of these groups, despite their protests to the contrary, are not only against globalism, feminism and mass Muslim immigration, they are against all non Anglos. No way in the world an Aussie who looks like Roosh or a traveled worldly Anglo is going to support a group that is full of mindless racist drongos who want a return to the old White Australia Policy.

3D ideology is best, create your own ideology because no intelligent man is going to agree with everything from any one ideology. You always read nationalists lamenting the death of the manufacturing industry in the West and calling for the return of protectionism. I wonder if these dudes are old enough to remember how expensive in real terms things were in the days when Australian industry was protected, and how much the ruling class benefited from tariffs?, or if any of those who yearn for the days of factory employment ever actually worked in a car factory? Service jobs do pay less than the old factory jobs but working in a factory was a cunt of a job.

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What’s wrong with the old policy? Australia certainly was a better, safer place back then.

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Recently prepared 8 pages on the good aspects of nationalism. Public opinion measured by the Bradley Project on America’s National Identity in 2007 had 2,421 respondents in a Harris Interactive National Survey. The study reveals that the overwhelming majority share a fear that America is being balkanized; 80 percent of whites,86 percent of blacks and 74 percent of Hispanics are concerned that America is increasingly divided along ethnic and cultural lines. . . . They declare that the pendulum has swung too far toward a devaluation of all that is good in America; there is instead a constant harping on America’s flaws. They also state that there is too much emphasis on our differences rather than on areas of common ground.
http://www.bradleyproject.org/Harris%20EPU%20Poll%20Summary%205-13-08.pdf

Two articles tell the good side of nationalism:

Americanism Is an Admirable and Safe Form of Nationalism By Rabbi Aryeh
Spero, August 13, 2016
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/08/americanism_is_an_admirable_and_safe_form_of_nationalism.html

Nationalism Is Not Necessarily a Bad Thing by Michael Barone Posted: Aug 12, 2016
http://townhall.com/columnists/michaelbarone/2016/08/12/nationalism-is-not-necessarily-a-bad-thing-n2203912

And finally, Samuel Huntington, chairman of the Harvard Academy for International and Area Studies, wrote about this in 2004:
http://nationalinterest.org/print/article/dead-souls-the-denationalization-of-the-american-elite-620

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Fear not. Psalm 57:6
My enemies have set a trap for me. I am weary from distress. They have dug a deep pit in my path, but they themselves have fallen into it.

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I think of Albert Pike’s Three World Wars letter that pits Christianity against Islam to destroy them both.

What better way to foster internal war first in US/EU by allowing 100’s of thousands of young radical military aged Muslim men in and then have them execute major terrorist operations (e.g., 1000 terrorists with automatic weapons in a major liberal city could kill 10,000 or more people in one afternoon).

The rage from the people’s of the US/EU would be like the 911 event where we all would be demanding the total destruction of Iran, Iraq, and Syria (Iraq is currently being radicalized like Iran was).

Iran will have nuclear weapons in no time. Obama is helping fund this by giving them back $33B or so. The probably could pick up a N. Korean nuke for a billion or so. And they could pay N. Korea in cash now since Obama gave them cash and gold. N. Korea would need that transaction to be in cash and gold.

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I do agree with Roosh that nationalisms rise doesn’t hurt the globalists. They are good at co-opting movements because they have agents on all sides. They easily destroyed the Tea Party movement.

When I watched the Matrix I realized that Neo never left the Matrix. He went from one controlled/simulated environment to the next.

That movie was a great allegory. It helped people start to see the control in our world and the illusion of choice in our world.

The Wachowski brothers punishment for accidentally making such a great allegory was they had to chop of their dicks and become ugly women.

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It is clear that the globalists’ main goal is to destroy Islam and the nationalists are merely useful idiots to help bring about the destruction of Islam, the last vestige of stable families. Nationalism is an incredibly shallow ‘ideology,’ if it could even be called that. It is nothing more than placing all the blame for your problems on foreigners. Intellectually weak, utopian, and overly idealistic. Roosh every day it seems you’re getting closer to the inevitable conclusion- Islam is truth.

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You know, I actually had this thought at one point.

It occurred to me that the globalist elite are so entrenched in power that they will have a counter to everything we do.

But that might be their weakness. How did Al-Qaeda and islamic terrorism almost defeat America? It attacked our economy and made us waste money by changing strategies constantly.

That is what we have to do. We must keep changing, keep evolving. Nationalism today, something else tomorrow.

The globalists are the cumbersome like the Queens navy, they are powerful if we fight them on their terms, but we are raiders, guerrillas.

Remember, globalism can only win if each human is interchangeable with any other.

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Believing in some global elite is like believing in Allah. Unexistent shit guides your movement. Roosh should go take part in party politics to understand how the nation government fuctions. Right now we got women voting multiculturalists coz the price of their vagina rises as 80% of the sand niggers and niggers on exodus are male. Ingroup males vote nationalists. Then fights erupt between asylum seekers and locals. Fights also erupt in asylum centers between arabs and kurds, shias and sunnis etc. Soros? He gives his money to charity organizations thingking its the right thing to do. One jews cash doesnt cause wars or exoduses. If it does maybe we should really let the jews control the world…

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They have weakened the 2 strongest nations, USA and Britian. Now Nationalism will isolate us while Germany unites Europe into a multi-country superstate. They must have that to take on Russia, China, Iran. They need us to be weak so Germany can take the lead without people looking at their past. Then they will attempt to pull the other 2 Nations back in. Watch for a Bavarian who is a member of the European Council on Foreign Relations to get voted in over Merkel next year. A strong male leader. Germany will be globalist headquarters.

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Nice forward thinking Roosh.

You see what those N(J)ew World Order sociopaths are planning.

What’s the solution though other than the-stack paper (survive) and bang chicks (reproduce)?

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Both sides are Pawns of a Materialistic Worldview. Paradise is not meant for this earth.

The winner is already declared Christ and His Catholic Church.

The Church was small, marginalized and persecuted. It WON.
The Church was caught in the middle of wars for this world between Barbarians and Romans, both faded, the Church Remained.
The Church is being eaten inside out. Marginalized and declared irrelevant. And soon it will be persecuted again. But it will Win. It always does.

Grabbing whatever good comes out of this, incorporating it and slowly moving forward.

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This post has a lot of oversimplifications, and it is in itself an example of Hegelian dialectic (don’t be a nationalist otherwise some country will crush you) – but it’s certainly a very valid starting point or a discussion.

For starters, it is only with WW2 that the “some country”, the US, has crushed nationalistic ambitions. Before that, the US was a country that minded its own business, and only made sure to keep neighbouring countries in check (Caribbean etc), while nationalistic surges generated wars that were fought between two countries or a limited set of allied countries.

So the real question would rather be, why did the US decide to be that “some country” acting as a normalizer of countries with nationalistic surges? The founding fathers would have never allowed participation in world wars.

Only after:

– the principles of the founding fathers had been forgotten enough
– the Jews (replace it with infiltrated freemasonry if you like – same difference) took control of Hollywood and the media, manipulating public opinion
– the Jews created the Federal Reserve and crashed the economy in 1929

they were able to railroad the US into WW2.

So the real question would be, will US & UK, two countries totally dominated by Zionists and neocons, be able to start a “normalizing” WW3?

Everything points to a resounding “yes”, because:

– the Jews (call it “finance’ if you like) are today able to crash the world economy at the push of a button: most countries are drowning in debt, and the economy is totally globalized, so a crash would be a literal cataclysm

– media is more globalized than ever – a single false piece of news, like the fairy tales of Rita Katz, can be on every major media in the world at the same time

– most western societies have been splintered into groups of isolated individuals, by the way of cultural marxism, miscegenation and immigration

There is no doubt that blood will be shed, but we must also ask ourselves, who will be subject to a nationalistic surge?

We need first of all to define who is under attack so that a nationalistic sentiment is born, and who is attacking.

By looking at immigration patterns and at the attitude of the academia today, it is clear that it is whites who are under attack, and by looking at historical patterns and cultural patterns, it is rather obvious that it is the Jews who are attacking.

How will it play out? It is a pattern of the Jews to attack by stealth and deception, never directly and openly. So we can see the century-long undermining of Christianism, the gradual effort to take control of the media and so forth.

The basic idea is that they will be able to instigate a conflict by proxy, where whites will have to fight against blacks, browns and other leftist whites for the survival of their culture, and the mass of non-whites/white leftists will overwhelm the few whites left.

The conflict will be between countries and also internal to each country where whites are under attack.

Problem is, the Jews have never won in the long run, and that’s because their fundamental assumption – that you can deceive your way to power – is fundamentally flawed.

A pillar of Christian culture is that you must not lie, under any circumstance, but rather pay the consequences of your sincerity (moral relativism tries to undermine exactly this).

In the long run, it is ALWAYS the people that are adamant about their ideas and convictions who end up prevailing, because if you start lying, at some point you will have to change your version of the truth, and your followers will become less and less.

Both Judaism and Islam allow for lying (Taqqiya and Marranism), while Christianism allows for none, and that’s their ultimate downfall.

So to me, any suggestion that white nationalists become 3D nationalist instead of 2D is simply another moral relativist trap, bound to confuse and distract the troops.

The history of Christianism is full of examples of prevailing in the end and against all odds: Joanne of Arc, battle of Vienna etc.

It took the Anglo-Saxon world (US & UK) an alliance with most countries of the world to beat a single country, Germany, that had decided to take control of its own destiny. It just might be that more than one country decides to join the party this time…

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This is EXACTLY what happened in Greece. Result: Golden Dawn thrown in jail like some movie-tier communist-regime tactic.

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I suspect that Trump isn’t as big a threat to the globalists as many would like to believe. I think they still have the upper hand. The economy seems to be very far from reality and unstable. I think it is set up to fall. And what better time for it to fall than under a Trump presidency? Then it can be blamed on him. It can be written in history books that Trump’s racism and nationalism and lack of concern for careful, politically correct speech caused the chaos. And the media can tell us all “I told you so” about him.

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It would explain the importing of all the refugees into Europe and why the media is so keen on stirring up problems between the races right now. Set up the bomb, let Trump be elected, light the fuse, BOOM!

Nationalism started getting a bad reputation after WW1. League of Nations was set up. Then comes the Great Depression and WW2. United Nations was instituted. I think we’re being set up for another big disaster so that globalism can be completed.

I should do something more productive with my time -.-

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I just think the syphilis from being a man-whore finally got to Roosh’s brain and he woke up one day convinced that he was a prophet after taking advantage of broken Polish women in dark alley-ways. I wonder what next conspiracy theory he’s going to spin, the funniest part will be how the followers of his cult, a cult born out of a combination of std-brain eating and mid-life crisis, eats everything he shits out. I commend him on turning the present confusion into a cash cow, by pretending to give a place to those looking for anything to fill the void of not knowing who they are.

– You’re short but you wanna get laid? Don’t worry, just buy one of my books called ‘bang’ and like a magic pill, it’ll make your problems dissipate. You’ll be ass-fucking whores in no time, just learn a few tricks from me.

– Tired of ugly manly American women? Looking for a chaste white woman? I’ve got you covered bro. Read an article on my site that chronicles my experiences seducing poor eastern Europeans and if that doesn’t cut it, there are still Asians out there. By the way, don’t mind the ads on the site as you do, even the pop-ups!

– Is the present state of multiculturalism making you scared? I don’t mean to be looney but using my superior powers of observation, I have looked at myself in the mirror and inferred that I am a prophet. I can tell you everything that’s going to happen, just buy my books on how free-speech is being stifled and don’t forget to go back to my site where I chronicle my prophesies so that you best know how to prepare for the future. Yes, that site that has authors from different cultures and backgrounds, with the pop-up ads too.

– Did I tell you I’m now selling t-shirts too bro? Fake beards will soon follow…that way, we can all look the same, but I’ll always be four inches taller than you.

And on and on it goes…I always get a good laugh from all of this.

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“While your conclusion that nationalism is logical and beneficial to a
nation is true…you were guided onto
those beliefs. How did you arrive at nationalist thought? Through
decades of free trade, feminism, and open-door immigration that have
worn you and your country down.”

I’m surprised that so many supposedly RedPilled people can’t see this. ‘They’ reverse psychologied you by prodding you with immigration and SJW shit. The two parties are working for the same people. Both want race wars, which leads to chaos, which leads to ultra globalisation.

The wanted the rebirth of nationalism. So that once and for all, it will be shown to be violent and destructive on the world stage. If the world ends up worse for it, Nationalism will be forever fucked, giving rise to Ultra Globalism.

You White Nationalists should be very, very careful. There’s no possible way on God’s green Earth that Trump anti-establishment. The populace were getting tired or the mainstream news, so the media duped you by pretending to be against him. If they were truly against him, he’d get cut off, left out, or whacked.

His entire cabinet is full of the bad guys. You have been conned. And trust me, he’s going to make it look like nationalism destroyed America, so a solution can be given.

I’m sorry if the following is condescending, but I thought you guys were smart? That’s practically all I used to see on WN forums. Yet you guys can’t see this?

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Globalism is in some ways the end result of American Imperialism, which is itself in some ways an extension of British Imperialism. No matter how much you make people hate Jews, you will never get around the fact that America is a country that loves freedom, while “nationalism” in the World War 2 sense of the word involves taking people’s freedom away. If you hate freedom you should probably move to Saudi Arabia or Iran or something and leave us freedom loving real men in America alone.

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This is by far the most retarded article Roosh has ever written. Roosh is butthurt because nationalism is racial at its core and even though we consider him “our guy” he wants to condemn it because he doesn’t feel part of it. Pretty conspiratard article too.