Neomasculinity

For a more detailed treatment of neomasculinity, read What Is Neomasculinity?

For many years, the term “red pill” has been used to describe the views possessed by a large number of men in the manosphere, but I believe it has outlived its usefulness because it’s too broad, vague, and hokey, especially since it is used in other niches like conspiracy groups and Zero Hedge. I would like to propose the term neomasculinity to precisely describe the developing ideology that has been refined here, on Return Of Kings, and on RVF from a primarily game foundation dating back 15 years with additional influence from non-game disciplines.

Neomasculinity is…

  • Game
  • Traditional sex roles
  • Self-improvement
  • Understanding the true nature of women
  • Patriarchy
  • Weightlifting/fitness
  • Individual responsibility
  • Equal legal rights, free speech, due process
  • Testosterone
  • Entrepreneurship
  • Hard work ethic
  • Red pill truths
  • Sexual marketplace value
  • Male-only spaces
  • Hedonistic moderation
  • Nuclear family
  • Binary sex model
  • Natural health and hygiene (baking soda, apple cider vinegar, etc)
  • Male virtue
  • Anti-socialism
  • Technological skepticism
  • Feminine beauty ideals
  • Deeper life meaning and/or spirituality
  • Lifestyle optimization

To be neomasculine would be to believe or advocate for more than half of the above list. We are now in large enough numbers that giving a term to our existing belief structure is the logical next step before developing it even further for the goal of using it to defeat the existing cultural narrative. If this takes hold, a neofeminine offshoot would be inevitable, comprising of women who have also been failed or neglected by the push to equality. I predict in the next two years we’ll see an acceleration in how readily ideas from our sphere are accepted.

For a more detailed treatment of neomasculinity, read What Is Neomasculinity?

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I also believe that men should recognize the two types of value to be obtained from women: sexual and human.

Many players, especially the youngest ones, have fallen into the lie of “100 notches” and are, despite success, as unhappy and unfulfilled as most club sluts

This is one of the few things the red pill has refused to accept, and it is also an inevitable conclusion to be made in every player’s journey.

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This the crucial mistake, stop applying Humanity to women. The belief that were were a sort of human or close to human is what has us in the position now. This half-ling, this homunculus has displayed no humanity within itself. Humanity is something women should aspire to, but to this day they have failed to reach.

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Women can be a man’s greatest blessing or his greatest drain, much like a child. The problem is not anything innate within women but the ways in which what could be beautiful and wonderful have been distorted into something terrible.

Don’t blame women. Blame the society that created them.

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You mean *the patriarchy, or some other external entity (“society”) that can absolve women of their accountability?

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They have failed to reach humanity because we have allowed them to. In the past, they were controlled, but not anymore. With the success of feminism, the hate movement sponsored by mad women and spineless men, the control which a man had over his house, (a sub unit of the wider society) has vanished. Men and women are NOT equal, if equality means being identical, and therefore one of them has to be the boss. And women, gentlemen, as we know it are not fit to be the boss and/or leader. If all the beta men awakened to this truth, and started behaving like men, as our forefathers did in olden times, by being the leader of the house, holding women responsible for their actions, and implying a division of labor to some extent, feminism would vanish, and women would be compelled to act like women, and not some precious snowflake.

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How can we hold women accountable and at the same time believe they need to be controlled? “They are not fit to be bosses or leaders” so, should we not hold the true leaders of this society accountable? With great power comes great responsibility, no?

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Men and women are both part of humanity….

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THANK YOU it seems that there is a huge lack of logic in these responses.

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that depends upon whether you are using humanity in it’s scientific form, or as a synonym for ‘mankind’.

if the second, I would agree… but then you have to mentally reassess certain points of propaganda… such as “Feminism is the novel concept that women are men too.”

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That’s plainly ridiculous.

If we take “humanity” to describe human condition in general, men and woman, though typically not 100% equal in aspiration and disposition, share it. Having a different sexual/mating strategy does not deprive women of humanity the least bit.

If we define “humanity” to be a lofty ideal (many cultures do this), then most men can also only aspire to it as well, and never really reach it.

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I also believe that men should recognize the two types of value to be obtained from women: sexual and human.

Human? Prove it.

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They speak, but rarely say anything at all

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They speak, but rarely say anything at all

They speak to wear down.

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Let’s be real. There may be some emotional needs that women can meet, but when you look at the overall scorecard of the modern women in non-sexual areas, it’s a net negative. It’s shit-tests, complaining about her “friends”, complaining about work, asking “don’t you love me anymore?”, hitting on the bartender, snapping at you for looking at other chicks, losing attraction for you when you get sick or are down, being disinterested in your work or hobbies, etc. You think there might be something there, but it ends up being a drain. That’s the reality with the modern woman who’s been taught all her life “it’s about her”. Feminism means the modern woman can’t be there for you emotionally, not in some net positive way. Yes, traditionalism 25+ years ago meant a woman that could add value in a non-sexual way; those days are long gone, my friend.

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but when you look at the overall scorecard of the modern women in non-sexual areas, it’s a net negative.

Exactly. Modern women are not only worthless, they are dangerous and harmful.

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I never said that both types of value could be obtained from every woman. I said that those are the two types of value that EXIST.

Most women will only ever be good for sexual value. Practically 100% of Western women will be fundamentally useless as nothing but sex toys.

But what I mean is that this reality shouldn’t blind a player when he sees something worth keeping. Or even that he shouldn’t actively seek it out in parts of the world where it is more frequent.

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Exactly. Problem is that women can be easily manipulated and molded. That’s what feminism has done. The modern woman does not realize that it’s in her best interests and the best interests of the society, that she maintains her traditional role. If she does so, her positive, non sexual qualities can be a blessing for her man and her. Her man, will then obviously treat her as a human and not as a pump and dump machine. That’s because she has earned this treatment.

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i’m going to say it again: latina girls who go to church. you may have to go to church yourself and wait a few months for sex, but it’s worth it.

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So you say my LTR doesn’t exist? Cause almost everything you said is an opposite for us.

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I wholeheartedly agree with you. While being men, our desire for sexual fulfillment is far greater than women, we should not forget that women are also humans. We respect humans, including women, and extend our love to feminine women. That being said, every man should realize not to become doormats aka white knights where women are concerned. If a women does not respect me, I have no desire to respect her, because if I do, then I have no respect for myself, and no one can respect a person who doesn’t respect himself.

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Respect!

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the red pill has not ‘refused to accept this’. Players have. The rabbit hole simply goes a lot deeper than most PUA’s are prepared to accept.

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I don’t normally comment on blogs. but we’re truly at the time where society is seperating the mens and the weaklinks. Natural selection in progress.

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offspring tally is the scorecard for natural selection, nothing else

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this looks promising and innovative. it would be excellent if you explained each term with a short paragraph

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Today I just wanted to introduce the term. I will definitely elaborate on the components in the future.

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Roosh, you’re a lighthouse in the storm. You are always leading the fight out in front. That’s why we value and respect your ideas and opinions. Strong work brother!

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Very true bro. It’s because of leaders like Rooshv that the manosphere has spread so much. People like him lead the fight when others are too afraid to speak out. They are inspiration for others. A billion cheers for Rooshv and his likes!

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In my opinion, a way to promote some of these values may be to encourage young men to deprogram themselves of the indoctrination that is rampant throughout American education by exploring the classics and a classical education. It’s a tough undertaking but something that can be done via routine; a hour per day. There are a lot of things on the interwebz that can offer direction.

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Perhaps the term “Neoclassical Masculinity” could be used alongside ‘Neomasculinity’, in a more specific context, when attempting to ‘re-inspire’ masculine traits in modern men (that can be traced back to characters of the Classical world). In other words, if I were using the term ‘Neomasculinity’, I may be referring to, say, men of the 1950’s nuclear family variety.

However, if I were using the term ‘Neoclassical Masculinity’, I would be referring specifically to the likes of Achilles, Julius Caesar, Hannibal Barca, etc. This distinction may be used to isolate the fundamental features of ‘the real man’ throughout time and define what we are actually referring to when we talk about real men of the past, the likes of which we wish to see revived in modern society.

I am reminded of a quote from RL Fox (Oxford): “Five years after Alexander’s death in 318BC, the Commanders of his Macedonian infantry – history’s toughest men, believe me – were persuaded… to meet in the presence of his arms, his sceptre and his royal diadem, placed on his former throne of gold, and to deliberate as if in his presence” ( https://youtu.be/pBY6antXpPw?t=100 ).

The emphasis I’d like to draw attention to is on the “history’s toughest men” comment. For anyone familiar with Fox’s scholarly book, ‘Alexander the Great’ (1973), these men were pure hardcore tough – putting almost any modern male to shame. So I agree with Al’s post (above) that studying classics (either formally or informally) for many reasons is important to establish a foundation of masculinity. But particularly, we should study, celebrate and promote the best parts of masculinity that we see in men of the ancient world; i.e. “Neoclassical Masculinity.”

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Great work, Roosh! http://vimeo.com/121471251 Keith David’s words have agreed with you.

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This is a great post. As a long time reader I agree that these values are necessary and it is time to rebrand. The newer readers would benefit from a few weblinks to articles which demonstrate the values and concepts listed here as well.

Keep up the hard work. And bring back fat shaming week.

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this is what I think…sheep please follow…your own leader and sum of all fears ROOSH.

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Smooth. A calibration of core values.

“thumbs up”

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It’s about time an influential voice in the sphere addresses this.

This movement has indeed for some time been in desperate need of rebranding. I’m not sure how anybody over 16 years of age can use the term “red pill” with a straight face.

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I like it. We need more reproduction though

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Thanks Roosh, I really appreciate your assets based approach here. It seems like the vitamin D is working. I’d love to contribute to the neo femininity narrative.

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Neofemininity is a good thing. I made a video on how to better yourself as a western woman.

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You should share the video.

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I dont have the video but i started blogging about it.
http://videlasworld.blogspot.com/2016/04/how-western-women-should-better.html?m=1

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Not bad. I would only add “A practical awareness of the Feminine Imperative and the cultural, political and psychological influence of feminine social primacy.”

I like neomasculinity though.

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Also I don’t claim ownership on the term. It should be organically defined/developed by the community.

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brilliant move, Roosh.

I’ll be incorporating this term into the language of all my future articles.

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I agree 100%. We need a term that we can rally around. Now we have to make it part of everyone’s lexicon and get it into everyday conversations. We all need to be “Neomasculinity Evangelists”.

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Quote: ” I predict in the next two years we’ll see an acceleration in how readily ideas from our sphere are accepted.”

Do you think this will prevent feminism from spreading in places where it’s still not deeply rooted e.g eastern Europe? Or is that looking too far ahead?

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Hopefully the men and women will not be suckered into trying to be ‘in’ and ‘modern’ to fit the ‘cool’ feminist narrative that homosexuality and women not shaving their pits are OK

They are the bastion of hope in a immoral time.

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The manosphere will have zero impact on the development of any culture, anywhere.

Those things happen on a grander scale and a small group of men on the Internet has a negligible effect in comparison to mass immigration etc.

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Actually, the manosphere will have far more impact on the development of culture than you think it will. This largely has to do with the fact that most of the well-known members of the sphere serve as luminaries for men that need alternatives to the current social paradigm.

As for the formation of cultures, our ideas can be useful for strengthening masculine tradition wherever it may exist.

I wouldn’t also be overestimating our enemies. People who don’t know how to rule, despite being rulers, aren’t exactly the most competent of enemies.

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Probably Best to avoid Neo, especially with the weird obssession some manosphere commenters have with jews.

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Agreed, but the “obsession” –awareness is a better word–is warranted.

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That would be white nationalists who happen to also be either MGTOW or Manosphere. Someone like that Anglin guy on Daily Stormer is a good example.

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Initial compassion before the hard brutal truths would help more people find the path. When delivering the hard truth make sure it is done in private, and allow the man receiving the truth to “lose his composure” if necessary to accept the truth.

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I would add anti political-correctness and sceptism against new trends

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I suggest adding Biohacking to this list. For those who aren’t acquainted with that term…
“A hacker is someone who wants to gain complete control of the system they are dealing with be it technological or social. A biohacker, therefore is someone who wants to gain complete control of their own biology using scientifically credible tools.”
Here in Latin America I meet a lot of legit red pill guys, although it’s pretty rare that they would actually reffer to themselves that way. True red pillers are individualistic enough that we would never define ourselves by a single term – a challenge ‘Neomasculinity’ also faces.
An interest in Biohacking, brain health & Antiaging is quite common.

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Roosh
That term is too common (neo anything) and all the leftoid man hater idiots will use the Zionist task masters at the SPLC/ADL to like neo masculinity to neo nazism which I think is retarded but you know how pinko can’t make fags try to use Lenninist tactics and put us all in a box yet demand rights and privileges for themselves as unique little snow flakes.

Society won’t stabilize as long as you have a breakdown of the family either. Mass fornicating doesn’t exactly build families or healthy societies and remember in the 50s there were tons of healthy, hard working, Christian family lies but the Rothschilds had to use MK Ultra on the masses. Is a cultural revolution so all the hippies, progressives/neo Marxists, feminists, ethnic supremacists, etc could tear down our country from within. It was all Zionist banker controlled and is all done to create a New World Order.

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How about 3M2 or 3M^2 or 3M-Squared
3rd Millennium Men/Man/Male/Masculinity (Take your pick)

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Good move roosh, seriosly good move

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I would like to propose the term neomasculinity

I don’t like the term. It sounds either like something gay or like something about bodybuilding muscle veining.

I am fine with “redpill”. I don’t care that it’s also a Zero hedge term.

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It does sound like something homos woud use. I think Roosh couldn’t come up with a good topic for today so he just thew this out there.

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One can dream.

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I think the Manosphere as quoted by G Manifesto sounds like a gay club.

Simply wrap it all into Neomasculinity.

Stop calling our side Manosphere. Let the MGTOWs and MRAs do their own thing.

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I’d say it’s more “neorooshinism” than any other thing. Anti-socialism, binary sex model, technological skepticism, just to name a few, are politically charged themes. Being a man of this time does not require agreeing with these ideas.

Being a “new man” is more related to the core of masculinity, especially the four tactical virtues of masculinity: strength, honor, mastery and courage, IMO. Men can have various political beliefs and yet still be men.

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neo suggests it is a reaction to masculinity that preceded it. I suggest a label that suggests a return to masculinity that once existed but got lost, “innovo masculinity” or something. I agree it is better than red pill as a general label though.

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It’s good to have an outline of what ‘Neomasculinity’ represents. The term Red pill was to broad even if we had an idea of what it meant.

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To me the term “red pill” encompasses much more than masculinity, game fundamentals, and handling the feminist imperative. It’s a full scope life awakening that encompasses how the world really operates both on the micro and macro scales.

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I agree.

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Very succinct.

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I would add Financial Responsibility

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Very much so, yes.

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Interesting label, we’ll have to wait and see the lay of the land whether it takes, but who can argue with a definition like that? its perfect

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I don’t understand how traditional sex roles work in all this? What does that mean and how does it square with an open sexual market? If tradition means monogamy doesn’t that mean some kind of regulation of the sexual market?

If not it means re-educating “society” to be inclusive of “sluttiness”. For example, Ive just got married to a woman who’s had 50 sexual partners, the game levels in my area are quite high so what could she do? For that all to work I need to be comfortable with her sexual history don’t I? I need to know that you, Jabba, Krauser, Billybigballs and whoever have railroaded her and it was good and NOT be pissed off about it. Adjust to that reality, get married, have kids etc etc. But that makes me “beta” doesn’t it?

Who’s gonna do the “traditional” thing? Sounds like a mugs game to me.

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If it is true that you married a whore, quite frankly, you are an imbecile.

Tradition is advocated ONLY in places where it exists. You cannot live this kind of life in the West, you must move or stay unmarried.

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I’m not married it was a hypothetical situation.

“Tradition is advocated ONLY in places where it exists”.

This makes no sense. I’m assuming that you believe that the West is now not traditional. By your logic then Roosh would not advocate for traditional roles given that it doesn’t exist in the West, and yet he does.

I stand by my basic point that you can’t advocate for traditional roles while at the same time encouraging “boyfriend destroyer” routines.

Traditional roles can’t exist without social pressures from law, family or the larger community.

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You cannot change cultures on a grand scale. It is impossible.

The West necessitates the pump and dump. A man must either adapt to the reality or stay completely chaste.

Or do what myself and many others do, which is move to places where women are harder, but of a higher-quality, even if just for 2-3 months per year.

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I’m on board with the idea of game, of improving oneself to be better with women, get laid more and with more attractive women etc.

My impression is that you want a world of sexual abundance but can’t face the idea of women taking advantage of this? Presumably your having promiscuous, no strings attached sex but with non-slutty women? Aren’t those non-slutty women going to eventually become slutty if game guys keep on shagging their way through them? Won’t there eventually be zero low notch count high quality women?

So due to the west losing its “traditional” roles, the women have become less quality. Is this due to their notch counts rising? Your response to this is to leave for areas where “traditional” roles are still there, ie that women are less slutty, and then try to pump and dump them?

It seems contradictory to want to shag as many attractive women as possible, where the attractiveness will partly be based on limited notch counts, but then feel bitter about how women in the West have become less traditional and more slutty.

Do you want a free sexual market or not? If you do you have to accept that women will shag about a lot, its inevitable.

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Some guys here have stated that if they found a high quality girl with traditional values they would stay with her so for those guys the concept makes sense re reverting to traditional roles. Not sure how that would work for men who just want to pump and dump regardless. I’m going to assume those men don’t care about traditional roles or women with traditional values because of those women typically don’t have casual sex and expect their boyfriends to only sleep with them.

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Ok that seems much more consistent to me. Western world has changed in certain ways, women have changed as a result of this. The quality and type of those women plus society changes has made “traditional roles” a more challenging prospect for men.

What it comes down to then is how bad those changes have been. How challenging is it to be involved in “traditional roles” in say the USA or UK? If it has become horrible, as I think Roosh would think, then it would be rational to bail on it all. However I think he over eggs how bad it has become.

What I don’t get is fuckin off to an area of the world where “traditional roles” are more observed and then pumping and dumping your way through that. If he was going abroad to find those traditional roles and get married and bring up a family then it would make sense to me. Given he is someone who tries to improve himself I can’t believe there isn’t anywhere in the world where he could find that traditional woman. Why doesn’t he do it?

I think he isn’t willing to take the risks that are INEVITABLY part of marriage and bringing up children IRRESPECTIVE of what society you are in. He wants to pump and dump because its a convenient lifestyle. I don’t understand how guys who say they are shagging lots of hot women are pissed off that the “traditional roles ” of the past are disappearing or have become harder. Its only as a DIRECT RESULT of those changes that “game” can exist at all.

Think of it this way, young women were once highly prized by their families, highly protected. If Roosh and other gamers try it on with those young women in the past they will get their heads caved in. Civilized society brought rules and regulations into the mix that protected female chastity to allow for traditional roles to prosper, without those rules and regulations the “clan”, “tribe”, “community” “family” will come down hard on men looking to pump and dump.

Game is not compatible with traditional roles. I don’t actually think Roosh is a proper Game guy. I think he yearns for an age that may be never existed in the first place, maybe thats too harsh but I think he really wants to restore traditional roles in some sense and would like what he does on his blog etc to help to make that happen.

Pumping and dumping your way across Europe won’t achieve fuck all in restoring traditional values, in fact its actually likely to hinder it. Game means telling men the truth. If your an average, spineless “beta” you are going to be unattractive to women when women have free sexual choice. And given “game” guys are trying to fuck their way through Europe, and I’m told that female notch count necessarily makes women less marriage worthy, aren’t they “spoiling” all these women for everybody else?

Traditional roles requires MONOGAMY. It requires a regulated sexual marketplace. Game doesn’t want monogamy game wants pussy!!! What if I told Steve Jabba or Good Looking Loser “hey guys all this shagging its got to go, you need to chill with the notches brah”. They’d tell me to fuck off lol!!! It needs control from the top down. We live in the age of whatever makes me feel good right here and right now is what matters and game guys are part of the same individualistic, hedonistic, nihilistic philosophy of our time.

Unless of course “neo-masculinity” is the first step towards something else wink Would rather make my rant look misplaced wouldn’t it!!!

Roosh is a ground movement leader at heart he’s not a player. Actually here’s a thought Roosh is going to turn on the “game” community. Maybe not explicitly but he’s gonna gradually move away from it and start disassociating from certain elements of game. He’s already booted a few off his blog maybe he’s going for bigger fish. He’s getting on tv and media a lot more, still pretty young. Future poltical career?

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You speak sense. Unfortunately Roosh has fallen into an incredibly hypocritical zone where he scorns and derides any women who are not virginal, but wants to live promiscuously himself, for as long as his aging body and ‘game’ will let him. He sees no problem with moral apathy or promoting a double standard. This is something that almost everyone here seems to embrace.

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Is South America and Africa the only places that haven’t been infected by SJW feminist bullshit?

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Haven’t been to Asia but hear reports that parts of Asia are immune as well. But it’s only a generation or two behind. I read an article today where they are spending billions to hook up cell phone networks in Myanmar I think.. Just wait 20 years and see what that does.

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I agree with everything on that list. But less than 5 years ago pre-introduction to the Manosphere I could’ve cared less about any of that stuff. I didn’t consciously go out of my way to get into self-improvement or exercise or develop a better work ethic, it just slowly happened. And the push that started it all was the end of a relationship that made me realize everything I had been told about women was a lie. So I did some critical thinking and tried to figure out what else in life was lied about to me and re-organize my life accordingly. I don’t view a red pill lifestyle as a men vs. women thing, I view it as self-improvement above all. Because chances are most people who are content to live in a blue pill world have neglected their own development in favor of lazy contentedness.

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NEOmasculinity: still have the Matrix reference, eh?

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This is a debatable post. Red pill is the rejection of all dogmas and all baseless beliefs not rooted in evidence. In raw application, it’s the rejection of liberals claiming all gay people were born that way. It’s the rejection of all religious dogma forced upon children. It’s the rejection of liberal claims about men and women and the differences between races, which are countered by known facts that psychologists are not allowed to publish for their own safety. In other words, a red pill man only accepts statements and ideas with a lot of solid evidence behind them, and has no respect for pseudo-science being bandied about under the banner of “science” (which it really is far from). I think that reasonable-thinking men should use the term red pill to emphasize how much more logical and intelligent they are than feminists.

In actuality, red pill is not hard to define; Roosh is just afraid of alienating his Christian fanbase. I can understand it: Roosh has achieved some level of popularity now and he doesn’t want to do anything that may upset Christians or black people. Although everything I write is modest or in a gentle non-threatening tone, many of my comments provoke outrage from both groups, emphasizing that one probably should actually be careful if they want to expand their fanbase like Roosh does. Zerohedge has been using the term red
pill since 2010, and I do think it’s a good term worth keeping.

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I will add that red pill simply says a lot all by itself. It’s reputation, for better or worse, precedes itself. The two simple words “red pill” strike fear into the hearts of our enemies why give that up?

Also, I like how we have a color theme! Maybe this will give us a chance to take the color red back from the communists/marxists?

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The cute little ‘red pills’ are about as much use as taking a vitamin c jelly during a massive heart attack

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I like it.

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Happy to find “Technological skepticism” on your list. Almost every technology we’re producing these days has terrifying security implications, not to mention the social impact.

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I like it. I would include the concept of gang in that list — the rediscovery of the importance of having fellow masculine peers.

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give me the old time masculinity….RACISM and sexism!

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Unable to read comments from phone but neomasculine is a boring title, too long, and doesn’t imply its meaning. I propose a title that implies self improvement or part of a community of men; and positively vague enough were we can proudly self identify with it. I’ll say “I’m red pill” but sure as hell won’t say “I’m a neomasculine guy.” Men’s rights activist (which I won’t publicly identify with) sounds less aggressive and People might identify neo masculine with neo nazi. The new term should allow us to self identify in public for networking opportunities without fear of retaliation. A few suggestions: Modern male. (R)evolutionary. Old boys network. Pop culturalist.

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I think the next thing is to start a self-conscious movement of women who opt in to this same social model, recognizing that it is ultimately the best thing for them as well.

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What I like about the term is it sufficiently combines many of the masculine traits of the days of Ole, along with the “corrective” traits required by modern masculinity. Complex times require the combination of the two.

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A great list, just about all of which I advocate and practice. One point of contention may be game vs “hedonistic moderation”, in the 3 years that I’ve been reading about these trends it seems that hedonistic excess is advocated far more than restraint.

I don’t think we should even try to “defeat the existing cultural narrative”, its like fighting a hydra or vapor, the Mass Media which reinforces this narrative is also inherently leftist and cannot be transformed into an objective medium, I’ve reviewed an excellent book on the subject here: http://bit.ly/1Cjr2Yp Engaging in constant battles with the Mass Media will sooner lead to fatigue and ultimate defeat. Starve the beast by avoiding it.

What should be done and is being done in the form of websites and blogs is creating (or reinforcing the weakened but existing) an alternative cultural narrative that traces its legacy to the Greek origins of Western Civilization.

Whether creating an alternative narrative or legitimately trying to defeat the current one, I don’t think it can be done without religion, namely Christianity, “spirituality” is so vague it can include both Catholicism and devil worship. It all boils down to a battle between good and evil, which has been commented on extensively over the centuries, perhaps most eloquently and powerfully by medieval monks. The Imitation of Christ by Thomas Kempis being perhaps the best example, the next most translated book in history after The Bible: http://bit.ly/1wZS5Rv

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re Jay Will: You’re right, game and traditional roles contradict each other. Can’t have the cake and eat it too. Unless the guy has a traditional, high value gf or wife and is cheating on her with other women, which I don’t think is gaming, that’s just asshole behavior. Let me clarify that asshole behavior is purposely hurting someone who trusts and loves you. Playing true game hopefully means being upfront with women you are sleeping with so that they know you are not looking to commit to a monogamous relationship. If a guy has to lie and deceive to get into a women’s pants, that’s pathetic.

There are quite a few guys here who are against marriage and they have their reasons. To each their own, gotta do what makes you happy and marriage isn’t for everyone.

I’m going to throw this out there re: monogamy and traditional roles within marriage: Monogamy isn’t natural. It’s a social/economical/moral idea pushed on men and women. If men and women are expected to be monogamous when they get married, then sex should be as often as both partners want and not denied as punishment (ladies…). Both partners should be able to be forthcoming in their sexual expression and have the kind of sex that they enjoy.It’s only fair if they’re expected to give up sex with other people.

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Neomasculinity is basically non-feminism.

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It seems the goal would be to move towards an ideal society while at the same time reacting to the current non-ideal society. So a hard work ethic and marriage and the nuclear family would be the ideal but in the current socialist welfare state and considering the current state of women you might want to avoid working hard or getting married. So I would actually have two lists, one an ideal of how one would act in a more traditionalist society and how to return to such a society and the other how to act right now. Of course some things like working out or natural approaches to health would be on both lists.

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Hard to see that ROK is pro-nuclear family, when gaming for notch Counts is endorsed as well. I suppose logical consistency and internal coherence of belief sets is not of a high priority.
Apart from this, I believe the concept of “neo-masculinity” additionally should entail other beliefs and values. that are inherently redpill.
* Ethno-nationalism – The current reigning system in the west is built on multiculturalism, feminism, and other SJWisms. These ideas are conjoined with an internationalist neoliberal system built on corporatism, finance and usury.
Ethno-nationalism is opposed to these ideas fundamentally and endorses the bulk of ideas

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I understand the needs of a new term, and even though Neomasculine catchs the spirit of it, its not a good term to use, for reasons that had already been shared here and on Quintus Curtius post commentaries at rok. Why don’t you make a post where everybody in this community could share their ideal term, and then we would vote for the best? Keep that in mind, because honestly, i find Neomasculine hard to digest.

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Seems to me like all the aspects of the Reactosphere are trying way too damn hard to be special snowflakes. I guess after the many schisms of the Manosphere, it was only time for the Right to eat itself.

C’est la vie. Competition for who will lead the alt-right into the future was an inevitability.

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Hello Roosh and thank you for all your great work.

Your efforts are truly amazing, and we all thank you for them.

I would just like to comment on one issue which cruxial to restoring patriarchy. I`m against “equal legal rights”.

As a Christian, I support the Israeli Orthodox rabbinic system, where in cases of divorce the man has all power.

If he does not want to give the wife a divorce, he can simply say “No”.

Regardless of what she wants OR EVEN WHAT THE COURTS SAY.

And unless you have that kind of power, the rest is pretty much for naught.

So I believe in a legal system where men and women have different legal rights and different legal duties.

There is a new film out now called “GETT: The trial of Vivianne Amsalem ”
and this movie pretty much demonstrates what kind of system I want.

A system where the Patriach of the family has all judicial power, EVEN ABOVE THAT OF THE COURTS.

Here`s a trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3UD5P75bCs
Once again thanks for your efforts for mankind.

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Bravo, I think you are getting close to the core here, defining this movement which will the most important political ideology of the 21st century.

This is a real thing, neomasculinity is a real thing, the struggle and eventual victory is a real thing.

It has been very interesting following and contributing this movement in the last years. It evolved from scattered voices of dissent, to a growing counter culture, to gaining sort of mainstream awareness (read newspaper comments), to beginning to formulate a philosophy (this blogpost) and eventually it will be made into political reality and ideology. We’re spreading centered around game blogs, Misc and even 4Chan. A language is developing like secret handshakes, “do you even lift bro”?

Neomasculinity is the ideology of the aware Gen Y and Millenials.

We all need to understand that there will be a serious power vacuum within only 10-15 years as boomers die and retire. This is a critical time. The Gen X generation will try to grab power, but this is not good as they’re generally too bluepill and also nihilist.

Bring yourself in a position to take advantage of this vacuum, with money, influence through writing and words and whatever other place you have.

Just remember who was on what team when the going was tough and lets deal with the adversaries and pretenders then.

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Roosh, another important ideia: Responsability to teach neomasculinity/neofeminity to sons/daugters, in oder them avoid our own mistakes.