Never Listen To A Woman

You’ve probably read my thoughts about not listening to a woman about dating or relationships, but now I’ve come to the conclusion that you shouldn’t listen to a woman about anything. I’ve observed almost no cases where a man’s status or position has been increased from following a woman’s advice or opinions, and it’s much more likely for him to be harmed from it.

Within any topic a person’s level of expertise will likely fall within three categories:

1. Expert Status
2. Familiarity
3. Unqualified

If I were to pick the topics that I’m an “expert” on, it would be game, American dating culture, and South American travel and dating culture. A conversation in any of those topics may have me teaching my audience some things since few others possess deeper experiences that match mine.

I’m familiar in a handful of other topics, but with those it’s not uncommon for someone to know substantially more than me. I would gladly defer to another man’s more superior grasp of the subject matter by expressing humility and an open mind.

I’m wholly unqualified to discuss things like monogamous relationships, maintaining a marriage, or sports. If those topics come up I completely shut my mouth and nod my head.

The problem with Western women is they pretend they’re an expert on topics that they’re unqualified to talk about. Think for a minute about what the average American woman has expert status on. If she graduated from a regular university and works in the Human Resources department, for example, her expertise would be shuffling papers, conducting job interviews, talking on the telephone for long periods of time, flaking, text messaging, Kim Kardashian, and primetime television. She is probably familiar with dieting, fashion, and whatever subject she majored in college, and then she’s unqualified on everything else. Therefore if she’s trying to assert herself on those other topics, you can safely ignore every word that comes out of her mouth.

A woman thinks after reading a couple articles on Huffington Post she’s qualified to jam public policy down your throat, or that she can competently discuss statecraft. She’ll go to Thailand or Argentina for a week, glance at the abject poverty, hear about a new microlending organization, and then all of a sudden think she’s an expert on geopolitical concerns. She’ll watch some news report on the environment and buy “green” products, urging you to do the same because she thinks she’s saving the world. She’ll read health articles in the New York Times and start making comments as if she’s a trained nutritionist. She’ll go on about the importance of feminism even though you may actually know more about the history of the movement than she does. The epitome of this overreach is your 35-year-old lonely spinster giving relationship advice when we all know the only relationships she’s qualified to discuss are those with felines.

Even a girl’s opinions on friendship, a basic element of humanity, are completely useless. Just about all female friendships are poisoned with jealousy, envy, drama, frequent abandonment, and a neverending series of petty fights and backstabbing that leave the average man scratching his head about where all that anger and disloyalty is coming from. Personal attacks that would stun grown men are weekly occurences in female friendships.

So what’s left? Well, if I’m on a date with a girl I will happily listen to her stories, observational comments, or experiences with a committed hobby she has worked hard on, but the moment she starts trying to preach or educate me on matters she has little true understanding on, I know she has gotten too big for her britches. Too many guys before me allowed her to ramble on about nonsense without telling her to shut the fuck up, and because of that she actually believes that she possesses wisdom or knows how to solve problems like men have done for centuries.

If you peel back the layers of a modern woman, you’ll find that her life’s total education has little real-world application. It’s filled with liberal idealism and pop culture nonsense that has no positive bearing to you or any other man. Never ask a woman for advice on anything besides maybe fashion, and never let a woman influence you with her flawed and shockingly incomplete body of knowledge. Seek out a woman for her beauty, femininity, sexuality, and pleasing, low-maintenance personality, but not for her intelligence. The more of it she thinks she has, the more pompous bullshit you’ll have to put up with.

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Adventure21c
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“now I’ve come to the conclusion that you shouldn’t listen to a woman about anything.”

I’ve realized that in my early or mid-20’s. It just hit me like a bold of lightening.

The way women think don’t make sense! Especially the young ones!

If you listen to a woman as a man, you’re really f-ed up.

The only woman worth listening to is your mother, whom speaks out of a genuine concern for you.

Not even your wife, certainly not your girlfriend, is worth listening to! If you heed to her saying, you’ll be royally ass raped.

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So TRUE

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All good points.

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It’s funny [sad] that today’s women know more about celebrities and the latest fashion than anything remotely practical… like cooking.

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Pleasing, low-maintenance personality is all I want.

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A bit more addition to the post #1:

A woman tells you something for one of the two reasons:
1. To satisfy her wants and needs, and to get them from the man she’s talking to.
2. Out of a genuine concern for your well-being.

Now, a wife or girlfriend never, ever, says anything to a man out of the reason #2: It’s all about her.

On the other hand, one’s mother, although she does speak out for the reason #1, at times she speaks her mind for the reason #2. So, be discerning.

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Hmmm, there seems to be a momentum and weight in what you say.

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I would have to agree with Adventure21c. Your mother is probably the only woman worth listening to and taking advice from. Any other women is just pointless to listen to as they never seem to make any sense whatsoever.

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What about seeking a woman with a nice sense of humor as well? That is something derived from intelligence.

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Just don’t listen to mom when it comes to dating advice or “what women want”.

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Never pay very much attention to what people say. Pay attention to why they say it. What are they covering up? – Archbishop Fulton Sheen

There is great wisdom in this. Figuring out the “why” reveals how any particular rationalization hamster works.

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This definitely goes both ways. I can’t count how many times I have listened to a guy speaking authoritively about a topic he knows very little about. That being said, I think knowing even a little bit about a wide variety of topics and attempting to appreciate and understand topics that are unfamiliar is an attractive quality in either gender. Personally, I think I’d rather be on a date with a person who has something to say about most conversation topics, rather than someone who just sits there and “shuts his mouth” about any topic other than “game, American dating culture, and South American travel and dating culture”. Even the sometimes arrogant, sometimes ignorant alternative sounds more interesting than that.

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We are talking about females here ! It doesn’t make any sense in saying the quite obvious: everything goes “both the ways” !!!!

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Nothing turns a man off like a girl full of opinions.

A girl’s recipe for success with men
1. Feed him
2. Fuck him
3. Shut the fuck up

If we share common interests, it’s fine to discuss them, but the minute you start telling me how to save the world based on what you learned in your 3 weeks in Bolivia, my dick goes flaccid.

She is probably familiar with …whatever subject she majored in college

If that major is sociology or women’s studies, don’t listen to anything she has to say about anything.

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i hope your gay because your gonna die alone otherwise

Noneya Bizness
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Coming from the someone who doesn’t know the difference between “your” and “you’re”…I think you might be proving his point…

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I’ll also add that STEM women can be listened to when the subject matter is their own field. A female electrical engineer probably knows what she’s talking about when discussing technology.

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@VI, don’t worry to clarify what you previously said (which is 100% perfect). And a Man doesn’t need to listen if a because a women is STEM. I am not “working” with her, I am sharing my “life” with her. At the end of the, whoever she is, however intelligent she is, all it matters to me is:

Feed Me, Fuck Me and Shut the Fuck up.

Noneya Bizness
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Really? No conversation at all? I couldn’t do that. Why not just pay hookers if these are your preferences?

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@Adventure21c

“The only woman worth listening to is your mother, whom speaks out of a genuine concern for you”

This is true up until you leave the house. Once they start giving women advice then you should ignore everything they say.

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My friend has been been seeing a relationship counselor with his gf of 4 years. The counsellor is a woman… How well do you think the relationship is going?

He tells me of the advice given. I’m certain that unicorns will be mentioned soon

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I almost forgot

Roosh you’re a mummas boy

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I believe my mom means well for me. I really do. But plenty of times she says things the wrong way.

“You should do this, you should do that” = well guess what? I’m not doing it.

Sometimes, girls do know their shit and when you need advice on a certain subject, they’ll tell you what you need to know. One of my girl friends I’ve met online ended up linking me to some sites for acne-scar removal, after I told her I should probably get laser surgery done. So she was helpful, and I’ll save my money by using her cheaper tactics. Or who knows, maybe it won’t be good enough.

But anyway, if a man wants to be truly happy, he needs to find it himself. Be optimistic, drama-free, and not worry about keeping a girl around. For there are many others who would take the priveledge of spiraling around his orbit.

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Exceptions are everywhere ! We are talking in “general”.

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The only time I pay attention to what a women has to say is when I fuck her doggstyle and she tells me to call her a “whore” and “pull her hair”

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You, um, forgot to say this is true regarding most american men also. Including yourself.

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I would unfortunately have to agree with the “most American men” part. It is just westerners period, not just women. It is all the rage these days to have a loud and passionate opinion on anything and everything regardless of your actual knowledge of the subject.
That said, this article is about how men should act with women. So not much point in including that.

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@ 16 Rooshy

Did you even read the article?

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In general this is true. For me, I basically ignore everything a girls says or expects of me.
I basically will my dick into her p….until she says no or is not comfortable with it. But as long as it does not happen I ignore and do and push the topic aggressively.

This is a great post. Also some very funny/insightful comments. Keep commenting. I will check back later.

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“A female electrical engineer probably knows what she’s talking about when discussing technology.”

Errr … maybe. “Technology” is pretty broad. (E.g., the EE related to power transmission is quite different from the EE related to computer h/w design, which is quite different from an “EECS” degree that’s really about s/w.) Lots of the degreed are completely incompetent at what they’re *supposed* to be able to do, let alone anything outside their area of expertise. This, in my experience, is doubly true for women.

Sure, some are good. The problem is that almost all of ’em think they’re better than they are, and, ironically, this problem seems to get worse as competence rises. A dumbass thinks she’s competent, and a competent girl thinks she’s a genius.

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@17.

I doubt the majority really sit and digest these articles before running on an internet long rant with them.

Some people take a frank open opinion as an insult rather than an opportunity to gain another’s perspective.

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hahahaha, too funny.

I was on a date last night in San Francisco with this over-educated 27-year-old blonde chick who thought she was the bong. Her opinions were just undefensible, uninformed, illogical and plain stupid.

It’s pointless to argue. I just ignore them and then change the frame.

The thing you have to realize about how women argue is that they reach the conclusion they want first, and then come up with the argument afterward. It doesn’t matter if the argument is logical or not as long as it arrives at the conclusion they want.

Sometimes, I think the Arabs understand things that we don’t… http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110328/wl_afp/saudivotewomenrights;_ylt=At6P_aba3meIlQgC61t2Fw.s0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNwODIzN2hhBGFzc2V0A2FmcC8yMDExMDMyOC9zYXVkaXZvdGV3b21lbnJpZ2h0cwRjY29kZQNtb3N0cG9wdWxhcgRjcG9zAzUEcG9zAzIEcHQDaG9tZV9jb2tlBHNlYwN5bl9oZWFkbGluZV9saXN0BHNsawNzYXVkaXdvbWVuYW4-

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Roosh, I have had one good piece of advice from a female even I am sure you will agree with re. dating.

‘Move faster’

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Dude, you really are a man with great perspective. This is just another piece of great work. I love your Blog!

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It’s funny to me how women are the self-proclaimed authorities on “relationships.” You cannot convince a female she is wrong on this topic. They refuse to see any points other than their own. Of course to them a man’s POV is irrelevant. In their minds they are the arbiters of the relationship “rules.” (In practice, they rarely follow any rules.)

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I don’t think the tendency to blather about something of which one has little knowledge is a gender thing, it’s a self esteem thing. Sure, young attractive women natter on, but also observe that older men are really prone to going on like they’re the authority on everything. In the girl’s case she has too much self-esteem in her youth so she expresses idle thoughts freely, and in a man’s case he loses enough self-consciousness in his old age that he begins to do the same thing.

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“It’s funny to me how women are the self-proclaimed authorities on “relationships.” You cannot convince a female she is wrong on this topic. They refuse to see any points other than their own. Of course to them a man’s POV is irrelevant. In their minds they are the arbiters of the relationship “rules.” (In practice, they rarely follow any rules.)”

Ironically, most online or printed relationship advice comes from women.

It’s most often wrong.

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I’ve thought about this for a while, and I think it’s because women don’t have a good mind for logic; i.e. they’re susceptible to logically fallacious thinking. They appeal to authority without realizing there is disagreement amongst authority figures (e.g. one climate change article is pure authoritative truth to them simply because it is published writing). They’re inclined to think in false dilemmas. They don’t understand concepts like “theory”; i.e. they can’t understand that scientific claims started as conjecture and have only been corroborated, many times minimally corroborated; there is room for refutation. They don’t understand skepticism about their own thoughts, in much the same way they don’t understand skepticism about their own feelings. At least not in their personal or social life. In the workplace or university or places like that they’re more diffident.

Basically, it stems from the same reason women are more inclined to believe in horoscopes and shit like that.

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Everything here i gospel truth.

I finally learned this this year after a decade of gaming.

Women equate the desire to do a thing with the actual expertise to do it. Whereas Men understand the difference between the two.

I can no longer take any of them seriously. The more “educated” they are the worse.

I accept what they bring to the table – femininity, etc. – but always remind myself of the main point. 99% of them don’t know anything.

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This post is cold, hard, truth. You’re in inspired form.

Aaron: Excellent summary.

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I learned a shit ton about manufacturing attraction, building rapport and quick closing from strippers. Some women do have the kind of info and life experience that can raise “a man’s status or position”. You just gotta tap the right kind of women.

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“STEM women can be listened to when the subject matter is their own field”

Rarely. Most women in engineering, at least, don’t know what the hell they’re doing. Plus, they tend to be bitchy for no reason. And then they get promoted for it. Women engineers do not compare with men engineers, not at all. There are a few good ones here and there, but they are exceptionally rare. On the other hand, solid male engineers are the NORM.

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The amount of additional aid girls receive in engineering, just for having a pair of tits, is astounding. For every one girl in engineering, she has 5 beta orbiters lined up to do her schoolwork just to sit next to her. I agree there are a few true female students that honestly care about learning engineering, but they are exceptionally rare.

And then besides the beta-orbs, you have a thousand Women-in-(insert activity women suck at), which provide even more additional aid in schooling. What is the end effect of all of this?

Women devalue engineering degrees for both men and women everywhere.

In effect, those who truly learned engineering will suffer because of those who slid through the cracks on the chariot of victimhood.

Why do women ruin everything they touch?
Absolutely anything that men do better than women, they must organize to invade and destroy. Even engineering, which used to be boring enough to keep them out, is now corrupted with emotional, illogical humans.

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Agreed.

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Women engineers are applauded for what is a basic expectation by men in the same field. Women take sides in engineering and still try to play games finding their daddy engineer that they can shovel their shit work to and be congratulated for it. If you can’t tell already I speak from experience. Women in technical fields are promoted to management very quickly, and it’s not because they produce quality work, it’s because they have no where else to go.

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I think it’s more a function of how grounded in reality a person is; I wish I had a dollar for every fledgling male gym member that I’ve witnessed espousing their training philosophy to everyone in earshot instead of shutting the fuck up and finding a veteran to mentor them.

Though I would agree that the fairer sex is much more likely to have their heads in the clouds.

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Dude, we know American women suck, these posts are getting lame. Almost as lame as said American women, ha ha…
Let’s hear about the Icelandic and Danish women. Doesn’t sound like Europe is really improving your mood any. Are they pretty much the same as the women here?

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Aaron, spot on.

i think a lot of people who disagree with Roosh on this point fail at basic reading comprehension.

roosh is not saying women are incapable of understanding complicated subjects. He is not saying they could never be knowledgeable about anything.

roosh merely claims that women live their lives like stupid animals and never use their time to learn about other things outside of their superficial needs, and as a result offer little to no value except for their sex. women used to have additional value as homemakers, but that is rarely any longer the case.

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I am so glad I’m a lesbian.

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I think this is very biased, what Roosh pointed out is just human nature trying to boast its own ego, and less about gender, I’ve met a lot of people of both gender that try to act as an authority when they have no idea what they are talking about. we all do it at some point. An expert in social sciences may have the green light to accuse you of such endeavor by pointing out to your own post….the beheavior its a human thing, the topics to act as an “expert” might be gender related. but hey who knows

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Just because you’ve gone to and lived in South America doesn’t make you an expert on S. American travel and dating culture. You’re just one more person with a qualified opinion.

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STEM is a very real problem. Science Technology Engineering and Mathematics are all the major fields that women are not entering. they have a majority of graduate degrees but they are underrepresented in STEM fields. Why? WOMEN DONT WANT TO DO THAT SHIT. Regardless, Congress might apply Title IX to the Sciences. Disasterous!

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American scientific excellence is a precious national resource. It is the foundation of our economy and of the nation’s health and safety. Norman Augustine, retired CEO of Lockheed Martin, and Burton Richter, Nobel laureate in physics, once pointed out that MIT alone—its faculty, alumni, and staff—started more than 5,000 companies in the past 50 years. Will an academic science that is quota-driven, gender-balanced, cooperative rather than competitive, and less time-consuming produce anything like these results? So far, no one in Congress has even thought to ask.

don’t listen to STEM women. vi, idiot! read this…

http://www.american.com/archive/2008/march-april-magazine-contents/why-can2019t-a-woman-be-more-like-a-man

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i have to say i agree with whoever said 99% of women will just tell you cockblocking lies, but there is a 1% redeeming force. the above article is written by a woman and it is some of the realest talk ever.

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“Seek out a woman for her beauty, femininity, sexuality, and pleasing, low-maintenance personality, but not for her intelligence.”

What? Are you talking about one night stand or marriage? I mean, anyone sane who is planning to impregnate a girl would most definitely want to know that she’s not an ogre on the intelligence level.

This article seems to generalize A LOT.

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I wish I would have heard this years ago. After being raised by domineering women relatives and having mostly bossy female teachers, the main thing learning game did for me was to free my own mind from the years of demasculinizing social conditioning that came from listening to women and being told what to do by women and trying to please these women who are incapable of being happy. Also, I now know that grades don’t mean shit, so I would like to be able to go back to schools and give them the finger. Many women will say do THIS, and then if you actually listen to them, they will then say why did you do THAT? Therefore, props to this post.

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damn bro

u mad

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RE: 44 Anonymous

(insert picture of smug face)

FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU

have an upboat!

hey wow look i’m from reddit too, except i’m not a snide cocksucker

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I love my mom, but here is her advice for me…

“Go back to your old microbiology job”
“Buy a car”
“Get a Turkish girlfriend”
“Get a nice apartment close to me”

I’m respectful when she tells me these things, but they go in one ear and out the other.

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The trick is to listen what’s only beneficial to you.

Everything she told you above she said it for her, her desires. To feel a degree of security, have a readily accessible son for easy and convenient contact and help, to have a daughter-in-law she could feel close to and have fun with, etc.

Had my own mother told me such things, my responses would’ve been:

“I have a better job now. I travel the world and live the life of an adventure.”
“Only if I need it.”
“Yeah…because it would be easier for you.”
“If you put me on a trust fund, maybe I’ll think about it.”

Yeah, I can be that kind of douchebag, but I truly believe the only advice worth keeping to your heart is the one that’ll be beneficial to you, to your desires and wants.

The key is selective listening.

My mother had told me,

“Be a financially capable man.” (so that she can get some financial help from me.)
“Be a man of success.” (probably she didn’t want me to have the hardship that an unsuccessful man go through.)
“Don’t be a man who has nothing to give to a woman.” (probably that’s too pathetic.)

I tend to heed to those kind of advices, or earnest concerns rather, because I have liked the idea.

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@Jay: post 32

That definitely hasn’t been my experience. Mine has been that most female engineers that are pretty, or even think they are pretty, are basically useless. Granted, their self-image is skewed because there are so few of them around. It’s common when someone says a girl is hot here at the shipyard to have them clarify whether she’s actually hot, or just “shipyard hot”.

The ugly ones have had to actually get by on their ability, and end up being some of the best engineers around. My boss (who looks like she was probably pretty hot when she was younger) is definitely an exception to the rule as well. But the few things she says about her home life make it pretty obvious that she’s married to an alpha.

Also, there’s actually one big plus to female engineers. You can generally tell which ones are useless purely on appearance. With the men, you have to deal with them fucking up repeatedly, and cleaning up their mess, before you know you can’t trust them to do real work.

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Does anybody know a woman who has holed her self up in her office/den/basement for the better part of decades studying science/technology/engineering so they can expand or develop new ideas that will advance society? I can’t.

This is mainly the domain of men. Beta men to be exact. Women won’t do that because they see it as nerdy (uncool) and that is why they despise these beta men. With women comprising more and more of the work force and accumulating more of the wealth, this is the downfall of our society. The service sectors that they excel at won’t ever do anything to advance us.

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Beta men create stuff – as per STEM because as Freud stated – all of “civilization” and progress and based on rechanneled sex instinct.

The betas channel their sex instinct – presumably because they are not getting any into productive endeavors and this advances civilization.

Alphas get all the sex they need so tend not to be STEM.

And females have no evolutionary reason to channel their sex instinct into productive behavior because they don’t need to pursue sex per se – only a provider.

Frustrated betas are the key to civilization itself.

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What does your mom & family think about your writing?

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You mean I should not listen to the sage advice of the yentas on The View?

Not even Whoopi Goldberg with her poncho, running sneakers and coke bottle glasses?