Not All Women Of The World Want An Alpha Male

If you only interact with women in the United States, particularly the big cities, it’s easy to conclude that most of them want an alpha male. They want an outspoken, masculine, and cocky peacock that treats them poorly and plays hard to get. They don’t want an agreeable nice guy who gives them compliments and shows eagerness in wanting to take them out. Only by displaying alpha traits did I get laid as I came of age in Washington DC. Before I started traveling in my late 20s, I didn’t even think that women of the world would want their men any other way.

My game softened while I was in South America, but not too much. While I could be more affectionate and caring, the women of Brazil, for example, loved men who pursued them aggressively. The women of Colombia, used to dating mini drug lords, wanted ambitious men who weren’t shy about displaying their means. They seemed to want a 33% beta and 66% alpha man, a mix that didn’t clash with my prior held beliefs. It’s only when I got to Europe that my alpha male model of seeing the world started to collapse.

In Iceland, I noticed that the women didn’t care if you were alpha, just that you were good-looking and had a private room. In Denmark, I had to become an silent uber beta just to get laid. The more beta I was, the more Danish girls I fucked.

In Poland, I killed it by being a horny beta male. While I did approach and wasn’t shy about escalating, I complimented Polish women freely. I bought them drinks and even the occasional dinner, treating them like a girlfriend even if they weren’t. I wasn’t cocky and rarely teased them. I didn’t do anything to manually build attraction. I was just my talkative self and they were fine with that. The more soft and Drake-like I was, the more I was rewarded with their attention and affections.

I want to give additional clarification of what I mean by “beta.” I wasn’t supplicant and I didn’t hold their purse while they went to the bathroom, but I wasn’t an asshole either. I wasn’t needy, I didn’t contact them often, I didn’t want to see them more than twice a week, and I didn’t buy them presents or flowers, but I didn’t play hard to get. I led the interaction, but I considered their suggestions and needs into account, such as asking them where they wanted to go or what type of food they wanted to eat. I did my best to increase their happiness, but I also expected something in return for what I gave them. I wouldn’t disagree with you if you said that my preceding definition of beta is “lesser alpha,” but for the sake of contrast lets call it beta.

There was no thought in my head that said to run alpha game on Polish girls, simply because they were so sweet and compliant. It wouldn’t have made sense. They showed up on time for dates, didn’t play games, didn’t argue with me just for the sake of arguing, didn’t stare at their phones every five minutes, and didn’t try to make me jealous by flirting with other men. Even in long-term relationships it doesn’t appear you need to run “relationship game” to keep their attraction level high. It’s true that I did use game to get the bang, but it was soft compared to what I run on American women.

The alpha model that you know well, that you use to bang American girls, is a temporary aberration in male-female dynamics, a preference that arises when a culture becomes sick and the functioning of normal relationships—and therefore society—breaks down. Alpha preference is not universal and not the way things have always been (all those studies done today that suggest the preference are being done on American and British women, not Polish or Estonian). While your father may be an alpha, he has no clue what alpha means, because there was no need in his time to actively become anything but a provider. If you think back to the times when women wanted ultra alphas, it was only when life was brutally short and resources scarce, but as long as there were stable tribes, beta providers were preferred. Providing was alpha.

As much as I want to blame feminism for causing women to have a predominant alpha preference, the women of Scandinavia are hopelessly drowning in feminist propaganda but do not prefer alpha males. Besides the occasional experimentation with a bad boy, they prefer subservient betas. A dominant alpha preference is present in only a handful of countries, most of them English-speaking. Even in South America, a place where alphas can do quite well, you’d be shocked at how many sniveling betas you see with beautiful young women.

I’m slowly coming to the conclusion that something is wrong with a culture if the women explicitly prefer alpha males. It makes illogical sense from a biological and humanitarian standpoint that a woman would go after men who will not provide or take care of them. Consider that women in America are mindlessly rushing to be used as cum buckets, which is being further encouraged by the media and Hollywood that makes fun of beta men for being boring, dopey, or unromantic.

To find out if a mating behavior is wrong or not, just use the sister test. Would you want your sister riding the carousel? Would you want her being subjected to what you do to bang American women? Or would you want her playing hard to get in order to find a good man who wants to take care of her forever? A society is healthy if the way you want your sister treated is the normal and prevalent behavior. This is the case in Scandinavia, Poland, and the Baltics, but we don’t have that in America, a place where women openly despise and mock nice guys. The irony is that my sister knows I treat American girls like disposable razors while at the same time understanding that I must do so in order to get laid, as if I have no other choice.

The broken American system has given rise to sexual jackals like myself who take advantage of the current environment, but understand that a broken culture is not needed to have an exciting sex life. My time in Poland was sexually just as fun, only less porn-like. My mood was more balanced, my interactions with women were more pleasant, and my overall stress level was low. It now seems almost perverse to me that I had to act hard and hyper-masculine to fuck girls, that I had to be a caricature of an action movie character instead of simply being positive, easy-going, and engaging. But that’s the American culture we have today. If you live in the United States, learn to be ridiculously alpha or move somewhere else.

Read Next: 7 Things You Can Do To Improve Your Game Right Now

Related Posts For You

newest oldest most voted
Anonymous
Guest
Anonymous
Offline

Logically, it’s unclear why you had to leave the US to figure this out. If you ever met one girl in the States who didn’t prefer an alpha male, then reason dictates that you should have concluded that not all girls would want an alpha. So unless you never met one girl who wanted a beta, you should have figured this out a long time ago.

Matt
Guest
Matt
Offline

The reason is completely obvious. Most AW are either prudes, have no standards, or fit Roosh’s Alpha-hungry stereotype. Some (maybe even most!) are better personality-wise, but when it comes to romance AW are just stereotypically bad boring women.

Theodora
Guest
Theodora
Offline

At last!! This post I get! Of course there’s girls who prefer that!!

Deb
Guest
Deb
Offline

Ukraine – Alpha

James Villiers
Guest
James Villiers
Offline

you are in the wrong country then 😉

Yams
Guest
Yams
Offline

I remember reading a thread on the forums where guys were saying that providing for a woman was considered “beta”. That’s when I knew the whole alpha/beta argument was becoming nonsense.

Transmillenium
Guest

What about girls in Bogota? I don’t think they’re used to dating ‘mini drug lords’ like the girls from Medellin.

The girls I know like to date guys who invite them to dates, buy them stuff and have long conversations with them. The guys here are Beta, and the girls seem to like that but that doesn’t mean Im gonna turn into one.

Roosh, what do you reccomend to do with girls from Bogota?

Dulst
Guest
Dulst
Offline

Alpha and beta are contextual. To a polish girl a provider is alpha, to a Brit/American, an asshole is.

There is a common theme though:

I bet the women in both “broken” and “unbroken” cultures found you exciting.

Alphaness distilled is merely the ability to excite women. Western women just get bored more easily.

Claudio Frollo
Guest
Claudio Frollo
Offline

True, most Brit men are just plain assholes with women, rather than Alpha, seen many who had apparent good game, get rejected, and they clearly got mad at the girls…pff pathetic and hateful(ofc not all men are like that).

A.B. Dada
Guest
A.B. Dada
Offline

There’s 3 methods of interacting with women:

1. Pull — this is the beta “chicken” tactic to try to grab the woman’s interest. It fails, unless you want to be a beta provider.

2. Push — this is the alpha “vulture” tactic that is used to let the woman check herself as to why you’re not interested, which usually ends up cranking the hamster wheel 500% faster. Good for one night stands.

3. Push-pull — this is the alpha “hawk” tactic that is used to keep the challenge up. Random acts of planned betaness is a must, but it works best for long term commitments where the woman will happily do your laundry, cook for you, rub your back, and give you sex on demand.

Peter
Guest
Peter
Offline

Idiot lol the whole point of aggressive pursuit is to be the alpha male.

That’s why it’s the man’s role…everyone know this

How sheltered can someone be to think being the prey is alpha

Mr.GM
Guest
Mr.GM
Offline

Roosh , interesting that you mentioned Brazil , what you said is spot on , I always find the alpha male behaviour to be the gold standard to pick up hot chicks here.Possibly it is softer than the US standard , but its not Poland for sure.

Great writing.

Transmillenium
Guest

I see the growing influence of American culture in Bogotan girls, specially in the ones who have lived in the USA, UK and Canada: The Uptown girls, the “gomelas”…

These girls say they have to play hard to get, they don’t return your calls, they’re flakey, not reliable and they’re bitchy and overconfident, they see the submision to a man as a bad thing, as something from the patriarchy and machismo.

But sometimes I find the girls Roosh is longing for, but they’re the poor ones who come out of the slumps from the poor parts of the country.

around the world in 80 jobs
Guest

this post marks a good transition. I myself have struggled with this topic when trying to caliber behavior and alphaness in countries. It is always annoying to me how to nordic women any action I make is perceived as cocky unless it is completely some boring nonsense. My experience in both poland and colombia was similar. More dating and being a interesting guy game. No need to act like an asshole, just a guy who can take the lead. But there also lies the rub-you have to put in the time usually. Esp. in Latin America, the flakiness factor is huge.

Here in Mexico at the moment, it is taking awhile to transition back to this dating, putting in facetime game vs alpha dominant posture. But looking back, I can see how trying to make a more dominant outgoing game work everywhere was also short sighted.

Thanks for the reminder.

Jake
Guest
Jake
Offline

Excellent insights.

I’d lived in most of Western Europe before moving to the U.S. At the time I didn’t think ‘game’ and trying to get laid. Pre-U.S., all that just kind of existed in a balance with everything else.

Living in the U.S. changed my perspectives. Since I wasn’t trying to get a new chick every week, I didn’t analyze what was happening. In hindsight though, I was getting angry and jaded, and depressed – without realizing why.

It wasn’t till I dated some real depraved manipulative whores that I discovered the U.S. concepts of manosphere and game. After that, things improved a lot – and by improved I mean that I insulated my own state from female surroundings.

Once I left the U.S. I realized that what I’d been doing there isn’t necessary in much of Europe. It did help my understanding of pair bonding dynamics, and I can definitely get a lot more pussy on demand, knowing what I’d learned in the U.S.

Similarly in Asia, the whole ‘alpha’ thing isn’t equally necessary. Speaking the language, understanding the culture, and always being in pursuit helps a lot.

America is fucked up. Either you end up being the bitch to society at large and women in particular, or you turn into a calloused asshole.

OldManTakeALook
Guest
OldManTakeALook
Offline

the times I’ve been out of the states
girls follow me, fall all over me to be with me

in the states
they fall over each other to treat me like a used cunt rag

fuck em

The Specimen
Guest
The Specimen
Offline

A lot of that has to do with status obsession and materialism that runs rampant in American culture. Can’t speak for all of Europe, but at last in the parts I’ve been to good family, friends, food, wine, and the time to enjoy them were the main requisites for happiness. In the states there are no real solid requisites for happiness. People live to acquire shit, and attain higher status than the next guy. Broke people are miserable because they don’t have shit and society tells then they aren’t shit unless they do. People on top are miserable because they’ve neglected other things to make it to the top. People in the middle are unhappy because they’re trying to get to the top, and society tells them they’re losers for not making it. All this status obsession leads to a situation where everyone is asking themselves ”who am I better than?” This question is at the heart of what’s wrong with the states.

大川 JMizu
Guest
大川 JMizu
Offline

holy shit you hit the nail on the head

Marmot
Guest
Marmot
Offline

Hmph, living in Croatia I often think that our women are very Americanized and a sharp contrast to the women of Poland or even Scandinavia. On the other hand, I haven’t ever been to USA so I can’t compare, but I have been to other English-speaking countries which, I’d imagine, come quite close to the level of decadence going on in USA.

Anyways… logical conclusion is that Polish girls are the best 😀

Palantir
Guest
Palantir
Offline

So, is a provider an alpha or a beta? Scandinavian women don’t need a provider because the state takes care of her and her child. Yet they seem to prefer a provider to some extent. The U.S. has less safety nets, yet the women prefer a guy who pumps and dumps?

Either this provider/alpha dichotomy is false, or women everywhere live in utter confusion. I guess #6 is close to the truth.

Samuel
Guest
Samuel
Offline

Patriarchs are the true alphas.

Nomad77
Guest
Nomad77
Offline

Women in Europe still expects you to lead and be a provider. They want an Alpha they just want a nice one 🙂

jim hampton
Guest
jim hampton
Offline

The dumb bitches can’t have everything.

solo
Guest
solo
Offline

I’m Scandinavian and have lived there for approximately 26 years. I disagree that the beta huys are more sought after than the alpha guys. Almost all my experience tells me otherwise.

Maybe when girls get to their late 20’s/30’s suddenly beta guys have it a lot easier. But all the way from kindergarten up to that point, no.

I should say I don’t regard being a provider to be beta. Actually, since there is no consensus on beta/alpha definitions it’s quite confusing to say that anyone of them works better in X country. It’s more important to discuss traits that girls look for in guys, and then each one of us can decide for he’s own if that is alpha or beta. As Roosh himself points out, when he says he had success in denmark as a beta, he still harboured a lot of alpha traits.

Being a strong guy, a leader, dominant, social status etc definately get you more girls in Scandinavia in my opinion. In my life I’ve seen a lot of assholes getting all the girls, while the nice guys always have struggled (of course there are always exceptions). Actually, I consider the saying “nice guys finish last and bad guys get the girls” to be one of the core truths in game. As a lot of game theorists have pointed out (including Roosh), the welfare state can be one of the reasons for this: as girls in Scandinavia don’t need guys to provide the necessities.

Very interesting topic. I’m somewhat confused. We need to ponder this more in order to come up with a more universal game theory.

solo
Guest
solo
Offline

I definately agree that there is a much lesser need to be a bad guy in much of Latin America, where I have travelled. This is only necessary when dealing with the upper-middle-class and upper-class girls which have had a Western influence. With other girls, being a nice guy is better (to a certain point).

Neil Strauss said that we shouldn’t confuse nice with weak and bad with strong. Women want nice and strong guys, not bad and weak. (I disagree that this is true for Western countries.)

OldManTakeALook
Guest
OldManTakeALook
Offline

Why the fuck should we give women what they want?

Yanina Sitnihenko
Guest
Yanina Sitnihenko
Offline

This article is useless because the author doesn’t have an authentic understanding of who is an alpha male. True alpha males have tonight to do with being “cocky peacock””hard to get”.
Do not confuse real alpha males who is first of all a true gentlemen who’s never going to show sights of disrespect to a lady .( even if she doesn’t even deserve any respect) They are very caring and they know how to treat a lady. Alpha males don’t play hard to get they just simply not interested in you. If they find a lady worth their attention and time they will give her all the affection she deserves! And they are smart as you know so they have a very clear idea of what women want .

although ..they are very independent and sometimes they make you wonder if they even have a need in anyone .They like to make spontaneous plans that not always will include their girlfriend.And their soulmate needs to be ok with that. because that’s just the way they are ..you can’t limit their freedom in any aspect of life.

jim hampton
Guest
jim hampton
Offline

You are a moron.

James Villiers
Guest
James Villiers
Offline

feel like i am reading a horoscope…

kstech
Guest
kstech
Offline

Romance novel?

solo
Guest
solo
Offline

Palantir, you also have to factor in that about 50% of American women are fat, which inflates the value of the rest. US also have more and more safety nets now, although not as much as Scandinavia.

Sorry for my triple posts.

The Glee Manifesto
Guest
The Glee Manifesto
Offline

“Hell,” Dostoevsky wrote, “is the inability to love.”

nguyenimproved
Guest
nguyenimproved
Offline

hmm. interesting post mr roosh.
i like it.

you really seem to be your own man. some of the puas stay in a loop but i follow your blog and you’re an evolving piece of work, seemingly not afraid to question the pillars of your belief systems.

dare i say, you’re exactly like what einstein would’ve been today.

if he’d renounced kyke-ism and been born a muslim obsessed not with discovering the speed of light

…but the speed of panties dropping.

Anonymous
Guest
Anonymous
Offline

I think you were popular in Poland because the guys here are really pathetic… Everyone who had guts died in the war or emigrated under communism, and real men have gone extinct. Also, maybe women in America are so horrible because of the pill and high hormone levels in meat and dairy?

Anonymous
Guest
Anonymous
Offline

I love this post. Roosh, so you were nice to Polish girls, and you did bang them. Would you consider them whores/sluts/skanks/what have you or would you just call them “normal girls/women”? Also, this makes me wonder what kind of sex you consider porn-like. How are American women different in that regard?

Ian Ironwood
Guest

Interesting insights, Roosh, but I think you aren’t taking a nuanced enough approach — not to the responsiveness of East European and Scandinavian women, but in the concepts of Alpha and Beta.

The terms have been used and misused by so many, and their meanings change based on the precise application you’re speaking of, that they start to fall apart when used in general theoretical discussions. However, I think the simplest way to break it down is to describe Alpha as behavior that inspires an oxytocin (excitement) response in women, while Beta is that which inspires a dopamine (comfort) response in women.

American women have out-sourced their comfort through a diverse network of paid service providers — the lawn man, the handyman, the pool man, and the Ben and Jerry’s scooper. They’ve used their impressive earning power to provide all the comfort that was traditionally provided by a husband, and then supplemented their emotional needs with pets or romance novels or stuff told from the vampire’s point of view. They don’t need comfort, so they despise Betas even as they use them like rental cars. They crave Excitement (oxytocin), which Alpha behavior inspires. Hence the carousel, the loathing of Betas, etc. They’re jaded. They’ve been told that adult womanhood is filled with excitement, and when they don’t get it (good and hard and regular) they move on to the next novelty cock.

Women of Eastern Europe (I’m guessing) have less personal security and therefore less need of excitement and more need of comfort and protection (dopamine). They don’t have the same over-inflated sense of entitlement their American peers do, and they’re far more aware of how fleeting their youth is. An American is already exciting (novel) enough to get their oxytocin going, so by following up with a little beta-inspired dopamine is going to make them happier.

The Scandinavian women . . . personally, I think that Scandinavia in general is headed for a big cultural retrenchment in the wake of the European financial meltdown. They’ve been at the top of the cultural food chain since WWII and they’ve gotten jaded by their cushy life. They have government-provided dopamine from the social security programs the Scandi countries are so famous for, and a general scorn about “Alpha Men” due to their role in the economic melt-down.

Instead of looking at the women in the Scandi countries, look at the men. They used to be Vikings, the most fearless and feared pirates and raiders and conquerors in the world. Then they were the bravest sailors in the world. What do they look like now? That’s the more interesting question.

I can’t see American women’s reactions as “sick” necessarily, unless you firmly adopt the relationship ideals of agricultural civilization. For post-industrial folks, they’re just doing what the economy and culture dictates. But the interesting thing about them is that they are ephemeral elements of a culture in transition: feminists and corporate wom-bots are not reproducing.

The two-parent cooperative family model is clearly superior for raising children successfully, in terms of concentration of resources and childhood enrichment. Considering how many resources each succeeding divorce takes away from the children involved, hypergamy is handicapping the poor kids from those broken homes or single-mom homes while kids from two-parent homes are doing better socially and academically. Within another generation or so, as the post-industrial economy sets into our culture in earnest and new advances in reproductive technology change the game yet further, I think we’ll see lower birth rates, less divorce, and fewer but more long-lived marriages.

Of course a lot of this will depend on collective manhood’s ability to transition from Single Game to Married Game, but I have great faith in y’all. In the mean time, keep up the good work.

G
Guest
G
Offline

I love these posts that are more philosophical. I am a beta type by nature, but that is so despised and discarded in the current culture that I am not able to just be myself. I have to use shields/walls to avoid being taken advantage of.

I like the sister test – it automatically clicks and I understood it without having to give it much thought at all.

Theodora
Guest
Theodora
Offline

“My mood was more balanced, my interactions with women were more pleasant, and my overall stress level was low.”

This looks like the key sentence, the less drama the better for everyone.

gringochileno
Guest
gringochileno
Offline

Do you think you’d have a hard time getting your game back to an optimal level if you were dropped in Washington, DC tomorrow? Like you, I’m not naturally a cocky asshole so it takes a certain amount of focus for me to turn up the Alpha enough to attract girls in the States. If I haven’t been out to an American bar in a while it takes me some time to sharpen the game knife and readjust to our peculiar species of girl.

Palantir
Guest
Palantir
Offline

Solo, we have almost similar “50% fat women” situation here in Finland. Consequently, the top 10% of the women know their value. Yet even the fatties can have totally unrealistic expectations, so I guess they get male attention from somewhere.

I guess alpha/beta varies by culture. Here in the North one can at times behave cockily, but only if it is mixed with humor. Otherwise one just gets branded as a bigmouth; a guy who has big words, but nothing real to show. As a result, some Southern European “alpha” cultures don’t get much respect. Guys from those countries could still succeed with somewhat exotic looks and an outgoing nature.

jim hampton
Guest
jim hampton
Offline

How about a guy with a big boner.

Soup
Guest
Soup
Offline

Good post. I’d even go as far as to say that the different scenes in the US call for the kind of calibration you describe.

You’d still have to run game, but the stereotypical “action-hero” alpha doesn’t appeal to all girls. In fact, to some girls, it’s a DLV for precisely the reasons you describe; it can make you look like you come from a low-class background.

Mage
Guest
Mage
Offline

I would say that you need to be alfa even in Baltics and Poland. Just what is considered alfa here is probably beta in states. The shift from alfa to beta is gradual not sharp. But alfa game helps me as a native Eastern-european, because I am more alfa by local standards. In USA I would probably be a beta, it seems dating is like a war there.

(r)Evoluzione
Guest
(r)Evoluzione
Offline

Interesting commentary, Roosh. Ironwood’s rejoinder was well-thought out as well.

I’ve been considering these ideas for a long time, and have come to a similar understanding.

One interesting concept that’s helped me to understand the current anglosphere obsession with Alphaness as it relates to competition versus co-operation. The alpha craving seems to be directly correlated to a society’s level of resource competition and ethics thereof, and inversely related to cooperation.

In a competitive society, alpha screams good provider. He’s the winner, and winner take all.

In a more co-operative society, beta tendencies show a greater ability to work with people, make friends, and grow influence. In that cultural mileiu, beta tendencies are more culturally cohesive and enjoy greater cross-linking and its attendant provider benefits.

Sincere
Guest
Sincere
Offline

Interesting post, but I’d challenge your premise. Asshole does not equal “alpha”. That’s why I hate the whole alpha/beta bullshit… everybody has their own interpretation for what it means. Therefore, it means nothing.

You can be a real man (which is what I assume an alpha is… but who the fuck knows) and still buy a drink. And you can do half of the other shit dudes think is off limits in the US. I really don’t know where some of these “game” beliefs come from.

David H. Fucktrelle-Male Feminist Extraordinaire™
Guest

oh,nonono….

there isnoooothing wrong with amrikkka-it is the bestest except for femi-freindly Sweden….

you misogynist™

donchya knoe teh wommenz will spend their best years getting high quality alpha cock…then when they are in their thirties, the nerds whom they wouldn’t give the time of day will be ready to take care of them. You know, those incel™ loser will finally be happy to get some affetion they won’t question a thing….

Feminism has soicially engineered a utopia…..

OldManTakeALook
Guest
OldManTakeALook
Offline

“You know, those incel™ loser will finally be happy to get some affection they won’t question a thing….”

i love imagining some dumb slutty blonde with big tits saying this and getting hit in the head with nature’s 35-year baseball bat a moment later..

Anonymous2
Guest
Anonymous2
Offline

Please do a game Utah! Or Nebraska! Or Alabama! Some place in the US with decent women!

Matt
Guest
Matt
Offline

The south is overrated and the northwest is underrated. But this “southern women are conservative and therefore better” is largely a myth that over-exoticizes the south

jim hampton
Guest
jim hampton
Offline

I would like to give a southern woman some northwest bone.

2mques
Guest
2mques
Offline

@32

Game for a lack of a better word, is simply the term used to refer to principles to live by when dealing with women. Since many people differ in principles regardless of culture, it’s only logical that people will differ in there approach to game.

That being said, when Americans equate assholes with being alpha, asshole really stands for putting your happiness, comfort and satisfaction ahead of the happiness, comfort and satisfaction of the women you’re dealing with. That is the only practical way of being an alpha male in America…there is no compromise, contrary to feminists and other indoctrinated women who preach the merits of a 50/50 relationship.

In other countries where women aren’t raised to despise any semblance of male authority, wisdom and integrity – one doesn’t need to be an “asshole” because the women expect a man to put his interest first. However, in all other nations where feminist principles influence culture, men are expected to sacrifice their own existence for the existence of women, and any man who wishes to maintain his dignity and self-respect has to be an asshole if he wants p*ssy.

Dicipres
Guest
Dicipres
Offline

Maybe the definition of alpha/beta is relative to the culture. Maybe an american-beta is a Danish-alpha and an american-alpha is too much.

As the ancient Greeks said: “Moderation in all things”

Also, maybe you developed and gained true inner-confidence in all your travels. Women can find this very attractive even if you give beta-like mannerisms.

Mr. Pointyface
Guest
Mr. Pointyface
Offline

“aberrration” of sick societies..:well put. Presumption
of deception underneath that.

” I had to be a caricature of an action movie character ”

Appalling and true.

However “playing hard to get” implies the delayed text responses , deceptive fake “business” and more of the same we have now.
===============

causing women to have a predominate alpha preference,

should be

causing women to have a PREDOMINANT alpha preference,

Mr. Pointyface
Guest
Mr. Pointyface
Offline

@12


Broke people are miserable because they don’t have shit and society tells then they aren’t shit unless they do. People on top are miserable because they’ve neglected other things to make it to the top. People in the middle are unhappy because they’re trying to get to the top, and society tells them they’re losers for not making it.”

Whoa!!! Brilliant, brilliant, BRILLIANT summation of a “climber” society. What a sad waste of all that Murkan efficiency!

Ian Ironwood
Guest

I think the BIG take-away from this post should be that Alpha and Beta are culturally relative.

Dirt Man
Guest
Dirt Man
Offline

All hail the Roosh. This is a great set of observations man. I’ve been seeing a Chinese girl and she’s like the Polish girls you describe. It’s a completely different (and in my experience better) world of male/female interactions. There are no universals when it comes to what women want. Culture can shape women (and men for that matter) into just about anything, it seems.

Something indeed is rotten in the state of (insert country here, let’s start with the good ole U.S.A.)

The flip side of the coin is that a lot of men in the U.S. prefer masculine women. They want women who can just be “one of the guys.” A woman they can call, “dude.” (This makes me shudder.)I think these desires feed on each other.

For those of us who have eloped to search for a different way with different types of women, it becomes all the more obvious when you see it.

Let men be men, and women be women.

Ormstunga
Guest
Ormstunga
Offline

How much experience do you have with America outside DC? because I know for a fact that there is a big difference between Toronto and Western Canada. In Western Canada, men are more manly (more cowboys, bikers, etc) and women are less … well, less like the Danish women you describe.

Durangotang
Guest
Durangotang
Offline

Roosh,

Well done. This is one of my favorite articles you have ever written – what always held me up about the American “alpha” is the sister test. I have a sister, and a mother, and I would want them to be treated respectfully. I have always had a hang up with treating women like an asshole for this reason.

I am a nice guy and I think I would really enjoy my time in Poland – I need to make that happen. I think my normal American self would do pretty well there considering what you have described.

For analysis, I think (r)Evoluzione probably hit the nail on the head.

Thanks guys.

AFemaleCat
Guest
AFemaleCat
Offline

@IanIronwood

“Instead of looking at the women in the Scandi countries, look at the men. They used to be Vikings, the most fearless and feared pirates and raiders and conquerors in the world. Then they were the bravest sailors in the world. What do they look like now? That’s the more interesting question.”

The American concept of alpha-male is “Black Masculinity” White Americans are programmed to worship Black Masculinity: sports, and rap.

But there was a time when “Alpha” Masculinity was defined as intelligence. The Vikings were 6’0 tall guys yes….but they did not run around randomly swinging clubs—if they did they would not have built a successful society. They Built Things, Invented Things, Invented Weapons, Planned Attacks…They Were Smart. They ruled the world not because of “African” raw physical masculinity, but because of a combination of Physical + Sherlock Holmesian Masculinity. Sherlock Holmes is incredibly alpha.

This also may explain why White American women want jerks. It goes back to the cult of worshiping the Non-White African Male that our media has fed us since childhood…the idea that ultimate Masculinity is Defined by P-Diddy, 50 Cent, and Reggie Bush.

European women haven’t been black-washed by the media as long as American women have.

That would explain the differences you are seeing.

bigEndianLittleEndian
Guest
bigEndianLittleEndian
Offline

roosh any plans for india ……u dont knw but there is a good following of your here too …who just go thru the forum threads to read pathetic state they are living reg. getting laid……………:discussionclosed:

Raytheon
Guest
Raytheon
Offline

In India also, follow alpha game, Dress well, groom well, get buzzed at a bar, talk with a few random dudes to build “social proof”, and then walk up to the first chick you see alone, look her in the eye, and demand for her number. If you are the type that can banter, especially when buzzed, throw in a banter as an opener before demanding her number. This cannot go wrong.

Ian Ironwood
Guest

@35 2mques

“Game for a lack of a better word, is simply the term used to refer to principles to live by when dealing with women.”

Actually, I’d say rather that Game is the purposeful utilization of existing subtextual cues to female sexual arousal to mimic the state inspired by an Alpha presentation, thus claiming the benefits of Alpha without necessarily incurring the penalties of actually being an Alpha.

But I’m open to refinement on this.

Princeton
Guest
Princeton
Offline

@AFemaleCat

Your thinly veiled racism is laughable. Europeans have long been more receptive to black American culture than Americans. Why do you think so many black Americans went to Paris in the mid 20th century? Why do Europeans appreciate jazz and blues more than white Americans? Black Americans get more love in Europe than they do stateside. It sounds like you’re butt-hurt because some black guy got a girl you liked. Race trolls are not appreciated.

BUT I digress. I loved this post. Ian Ironwood and (r)Evolutionize make some excellent points. I think that what’s considered “alpha” and “beta” do change across culture for a number of reasons. And I think one of the biggest factors is what’s valued in a culture. French culture tends to value intelligence, good taste, being well-read, artistic prowess, etc. so a man who’s dominant in that framework is going to be alpha. In a country like the U.S. where tabloid journalism, Jersey Shore and being in a band are highly valued, men who are dominant within that framework are going to be the “alphas.” A French guy with a sweater draped over his shoulders is top-dog in a place like Paris whereas he’d be looked at as a pussy in many places in U.S. (“exotic” appeal aside.)

This is why I agree with Roosh that our society is sick. It’s because our values are fucked up. We have a corrupted version of capitalism and a consumerist culture that deeply impacts the way people behave and what they value. Everything is on steroids: monster trucks, hormone-injected meat and women who want an “action star.”

I would even suggest that the idea of alpha varies regionally in the U.S. and breaks down along cultural lines. IN NYC alpha = wealth; in DC alpha = power; in LA alpha = “cool.” More or less.

I think that countries outside the Anglosphere value different traits in their “alpha” men because their societies value different things out of life. The points made by other commenters about communal / competitive impulses comes to mind.

In Eastern Europe, true wit, kindness, intelligence, inner strength and the things that make us human are seen as a positive, not something to to be squashed. (Of course wealth, good-looks, etc are also good!) At the end of the day, they want a man they can admire as a person, not someone who is there purely for entertainment purposes.

I hope they don’t catch up to us anytime soon.

guest
Guest
guest
Offline

Europeans have liked the better more refined things about black “culture” such as Jazz. Americans have been indoctrinated with black thug culture and sports. You as an American female have been trained like a poodle that dances on command to see racism under every bed. By noticing that thuggish Black men are promoted over all other men by the media, the writer is not displaying signs of racial hatred but is simply showing a cause and effect relationship which is taboo in the USA lest one be called a “racist”. Whoo scary stuff.

Sine Wave Killer
Guest
Sine Wave Killer
Offline

@Princeton

Great post, music in general is valued much higher in Europe than in the states. I loved your breakdown of Alpha in regions.

Excellent post Roosh, ever since I became bilingual I’ve often wondered why situations were always more tense/hostile when using English. Artists simply aren’t valued in American culture until they’re dead and someone can reap the profits through benefits/museum galas etc. things that don’t really serve the initial intent of the artist. At the end of the day you can either say it’s fucked up or leave…I think that i’m leaning towards the latter.

Q. for ROISSY.
Guest
Q. for ROISSY.
Offline

Given how dogmatic ROISSY is about every woman wanting ALPHA males because of genetics…and social condition is bullshit/feminist argument…I wonder about his take on your FIELD EXPERIENCE.

Traveling is educational.

The Glee Manifesto
Guest
The Glee Manifesto
Offline

Roosh,
where is Argentina on this spectrum?

krautz
Guest
krautz
Offline

I think there are women that are like that in the USA, I’ve met a few through online dating. But they don’t go to bars, clubs and so on, and PUAs love to focus mainly on bar/club/late night game. They are definitely rare-er