Nothing Is Worth It But Anything Can Be Worth Doing

Rumblings started to occur when I lived in a second-tier Romanian city back in the spring of 2014, the setting for my book Poosy Paradise. I was putting in quite a bit of work, both day and night, to have sex with girls that I felt were equal or lower to me in value based on girls I’ve had in the past. My results didn’t seem commensurate with my labor based on how I perceived my value (whether that perception was a reflection of reality is up for debate).

After Romania, I went to Poland, my standards a couple clicks higher. It took me nearly two weeks to get sex, and the girl was below my average. Bad luck, perhaps, so I labored some more. Results were not coming in as fast as they “should” have. Then one afternoon it hit me. I was walking around the old town square, looking for a girl I could approach, and a thought arrived: “Even if I lay a 10 right now, it still wouldn’t be worth the work I’m putting in.” Of course I did not lay a 10 that day, but I did lay an 8 soon after. She was very pretty, but I can’t say it was worth the labor. There were a few other girls I got in my bed, varying in quality, but not once did I feel that the reward was worth the expense. This foul thinking would follow me to Russia, where the quality of women is perhaps the highest in the world.

After landing in Russia, I labored intensively. Numbers started rolling in, and then dates, and around day eleven I got a Russian girl on my bed. I didn’t bang her that night, but even if I did, the same thought popped into my head: “It woudn’t have been worth it.” Even if she was a 10, and I banged her twice a day, it wouldn’t have been worth all that labor I did since my last bang. The date with her was relatively short and enjoyable, but it didn’t account for the fact that prior to meeting her, I had spent hundreds of hours learning Russian in order to communicate with her. The time it would take me to write two books was spent learning a language to meet new girls who were no better than girls I could get in countries where English is widely spoken. Now I started to feel foolish. I highly value my Russian ability as I write this, but learning it provided not much more than some exercise for my brain, a marginal increase in the pool of women I can date, and being a human party trick that impresses people for three or four seconds.

I thought about this for some time, ready to curse the game, drop out, and become a misanthrope who lives in a cabin in the woods, and then I realized my mistake: every approach is an independent event.

If I make 20 approaches, fail on all of them, and get laid on approach 21, I can’t help but account for the work on all 21 approaches for the sex I finally received. But girl number 21 doesn’t care about the work I had to do in order to get her. She is going to always operate on her own sex speed, independent of all my prior successes and failures with women. In essence, I was getting mad at the roulette wheel for not remembering all my previous losses before it hit on my lucky number. If I excluded the previous losses (those 20 approaches), and isolated the work I did on girl number 21, where I had to spend about 5 hours of time with her in order to have sex before inserting her in the regular rotation, the investment is quite in my favor.

How about if a man had to do 1,000 approaches in order to get a one-night stand—could he ignore those 1,000 approaches even though the girl he finally did bang was easy to get into bed? Can a man who makes $150,000 a year at his job ignore the 6 years of higher education he had to put in to make the salary he earns now? Should the old man who is 80 years old consider all that he has done in life when he wakes up to have a day that he hates or loves?

I’m not sure how much we should account for our past work for today’s success, but I will say this: if you do consider all the work you had to do, if you remember all the labor you had to expend to have a success today, it is impossible to accept any other conclusion than it’s not worth it. Not only is there no free lunch, but it’s rare that there will be a completely equal exchange of our lifeblood for some type of benefit or pleasure, and this to me seems to be a limit of human existence inherent to us all. I’m convinced the solution is to not think of what we had to do yesterday for whatever success we achieve today. The past is dead and meaningless in the goal we attempt right now.

As long as the work we are putting in doesn’t harm us and doesn’t conflict with our other goals, there is no use in weighting every cost and benefit. There is no point in maintaining careful accounting of every minute of labor put in yesterday for every util of pleasure gained today. If the impulse in me wants to get laid, and I have to do 10,000 approaches to make it happen, then I will do those approaches. If I want to make $100,000 to buy my dream automobile, and working towards that goal will not hurt me, then I will do it. But the minute we start looking at life as a series of transactions is the minute we can rationalize not doing anything at all, and while dropping out in such a manner may appeal to some men, I choose to enjoy the pleasures of existence in spite of the work required. The alternative of sitting on my ass, of inaction, of becoming entitled that I’m too good to work, simply isn’t worth it.

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Economists refer to this as “sunk cost”. The investment has been made and can’t be recovered. What matters is the incremental future investment. While this shouldn’t influence people’s decisions it often does. So they are afraid to walk away from a bad situation because of all the effort already put into it.

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Effort justification

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Cool, had not heard that term for it before.

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The possibility of throwing good money after bad, as they say.

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Surely there’s value in learning Russian beyond picking up girls

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Every man learns more about the culture of the women he tries to bed. It’s normal.
Learning a foreign language only and usually holds value because of the sex or the money you can get for it. Or if you’re planning to live abroad and blend with the locals.
Rarely does someone learn a language without these motives.

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I’ve learned just about everything I know about women in the past two years. Its led me to approach 100s of them, go on dozens of dates and have numerous intimate moments and mini-relationships. While it still bothers me that guys who are objectively lower quality than me, in terms of fitness, intellect, life experience, charisma, etc. get with hotter women, I also have to reflect on the fact that most men can only dream of cold approaching women on the street and having multiple girlfriends (or even just 1 cool/cute girlfriend).

I don’t see myself putting as much effort into meeting women over the coming years as I have, since I think I can still meet and attract women when the opportunity is there. I’ve come to realize that sex, companionship and eventually being a wife and mother are the things a woman can offer me. Many women can fill this role though, so expending a lot of time and energy to meet them beyond developing the fundamental skill set, brings diminishing returns.

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Roosh, your problem is that you have a huge blind spot.

1.You don’t seem to inherently enjoy life very much. Things like learning a difficult language or exercising or dancing don’t seem to register as fun for you.
2. You are average in terms of your physical appearance and below average in terms of economic power.
3. You frequently display a low level of energy as a result of number 1.

When an attractive woman has casual sex (i.e. she is not looking to use sex as a means to her ultimate goal of marriage/children/stability), she wants to have fun. For her to have fun, there needs to be a high level of physical attraction or an above average level of physical attraction combined with something unusual that captures her interest.

Your strong point is coldly evaluating the motives and physical attractiveness of women based on your desires. Your weakness (ie blind spot) is failing to realize that they do the same to you.

Vibe, energy, optimism, non verbal communication, that’s what happens in social interactions, and something you seem to miss.

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“Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.”

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Depends how you define intelligence, which for me is something different from intellect. I believe true intelligence to be a combination of high emotional/social capacity AND intellectual ability.
Thus Hemingway is intellectual but not intelligent. He relied heavily on alcohol, and it eventually destroyed his brain, leading him to conclude that shooting himself in the head with a shotgun was his best course of action. He convinced himself he would never be able to write well again, and since alcohol could no longer give him the high it used to, he chose death. Objectively he could have spent 6 months with no booze, done exercise and eaten well, allowed his brain to normalize, and then either found new hobbies or resumed writing. He was a wealthy man in his 60s, it’s not like he was 90 years old and wearing diapers living in some hellhole state run home for old folks.

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Or it could’ve been the constant pain and general malaise from the shrapnel that nearly destroyed his knee in WW1, the time he shot himself in the leg trying to kill a shark he landed, or the two plane crashes he survived as well as the myriad other injuries and diseases he survived drove him to suicide. Hard to live if every waking moment is absolute hell and the only things that allow you to barely cope with the pain is booze and drugs.

Source: Know the Hemingways.

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I’m familiar with Hemingway’s life and injuries. The logical/rational solution to pain and PTSD is not to drink a massive amount of alcohol all day every day for decades and eventually commit suicide. Unless you have a terminal illness or are truly maimed (paralyzed or something similar), you have alternatives. Especially when you are wealthy and world famous. He didn’t have a reality problem, he had a perception problem. As awful as his injuries and experiences were, many men have been through far worse and kept on going, without the advantages he objectively had at his disposal.

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“I’m familiar with Hemingway’s life and injuries. The logical/rational
solution to pain and PTSD is not to drink a massive amount of alcohol
all day every day for decades and eventually commit suicide.”

If he followed your advice, Hemingway would still be dead and no one here would have ever heard of him. Genius.

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Ecclesiastes 1:18

“For in much wisdom is much vexation, and he who increases knowledge increases sorrow.”

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“2. …below average in terms of economic power.”

How did you come to this conclusion? From what i know Roosh makes 60,000 dollars plus per year, and saves approx. 50% of that. According to himself he can live for a couple of years purely of his savings.

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60,000 gross income a year in USD (if he does make that, as an author doesn’t doesn’t get 100% of the sales price as his/her commission) – taxes ≠ economic power.

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You said Roosh is below average in economic power. This – in whatever way you look at it – isn’t true in the slightest: monthy income, yearly, savings etc. He is doing better than most Americans in income as well as savings. Hell, most Americans barely have any savings.

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I didn’t say he was below the median US income. I chose my words carefully. There are people who earn 70K a year and have zero economic power. They rent, they spend, they buy toys like fast cars that rapidly depreciate in value.
Most Americans get married far too early, get massively in debt studying ridiculous and useless subjects at private university, and then display no financial acumen whatsoever. It’s something that really makes no sense, you don’t even have to figure it out on your own, there are many many different books on how to live cheaply, maximize earnings and invest in the early part of your career.

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Yeah, but you need income to build “economic power”. Point is you were trying to suggest something which obviously isn’t true. And now you’re trying to backpadel.

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also take into account his age (35), if you are a US citizen with a college degree and have a decent level of energy and ambition, your income should be well into the 6 figures.

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Most Americans (college educated or not) will never ever come even close to a 6 figure income. Hell, most Americans? make that most people in general. The wealthiest folks on the face of the earth are the Qatarese with an average income of 80,000 dollars a year. However you slice it, Roosh is doeing pretty well for himself. I wouldn’t mind making 60,000+ dollars a year working for myself from the comforts of my own residence.

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I’m an HR professional that has worked at several large companies in different industries, as well as mid sized companies. I’m privy to real salaries of people and I can tell you without a doubt, that the number of people over 35 making “well into 6 figures” is less than 5%. This poster is probably a troll.

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Agree with this.

Also, I don’t know that Roosh appreciates what he has. He’s able to earn money with no boss and no set schedule, while traveling around the world.

I’d say that’s “worth it”. (Just as a counter example to him essentially saying no amount of labor is worth the reward)

I think the real problem is Roosh has reached the limit of what he can currently do at his current “level” (basically, point #2 of parent).

His “level” = earning enough to travel to 2nd/3rd tier Eastern European cities, living in average apartments, banging average/slightly-above-average chicks.

I know *I* would get bored by this (as a lifestyle vs as a vacation), and I think Roosh is too.

Hopefully the Youtube super star thing works out in getting him to that next level.

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Well said- it’s hard to beat Champange, Benzs, 4-5 Star dining, great clubs, and Oceanside living aka what a man with paper can do in Miami, and LA.
Overseas where would this kind of good living be? Rio, Bali, Ibiza, Malta, Tel Aviv, Dubai, and Acapulco.

Remember Roosh if you make 2 million you ought have 150k after tax if you had a good portfolio manager- I know of a few good ones. Stick with UBS or Credit Suisse. Nothing American only Swiss.

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I have a feeling most long-term players would disagree with your world view.

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Man living goods where its at- guys with $ go wrong using it to kiss ass.

I think some bdsm sessions with a sub would help these guys learn the truth of human nature.

You can keep your studio and Raman noodles btw.

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Perhaps the next level would be to run the Game in a global city, aka London, Dubai, Moscow, NY. A full month of expenses in Eastern Europe would barely cover tte rent of a centric apartment.

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He’s done Moscow and says its one of the best. My guess is he needs more paper hence the YT hustle. He will succeed- this guys unstoppable. I think he should do Miami, Los Angeles, and San Francisco. Maybe Vancouver. Then he can conclusively say North America is whack. If all the women in Russia are like this one I met from Petersburg no wonder he learned Russian- she was stacked, blonde, top style, sexy, and feminine.’if you had women like that you’d be like- America who?

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Women are not having sex ‘to have fun’. Liberated female attraction is NOT a choice. She is following a pleasure principle, but it is hardwired and subconscious. Fun for her is destroying her future. CH says looks are not determinate all the time. My field experience says that looks are both not enough and not a major barrier. Women are not doing the same because they are not the same. I don’t see how Roosh is missing ‘Vibe, energy…’ when his game is working. The truth is getting to his level is unusual and difficult. These bitches are just not worth it. That is the fact. Yet, what are men who aspire to masculinity to do? That is the quandary ‘you seem to miss.’ Seems it could be intensional, like ur a gov troll.

To all the pro trolls out there, whoever you are, you are a waste of money and resources.

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I agree with you man. I really admire Roosh and his work; there is no doubt he has improved my life dramatically. But have after reading all of his books and following the blog for years, learning game, and banging more girls than I thought was possible, I can’t deny that I’m sick of following a set blueprint for a good life. I hate to see that Roosh is sounding legitimately depressed.

I split up my life in 4 compartments, which are not surprisingly very similar to RVF:

1. Girls/sex
2. fitness
3. Money/business
4. Travel/Being “Interesting”

I ruthlessly set goals. How can one set goals for “being interesting?” With my robotic goal accomplishment style that I’ve become accustomed to, which I think is similar to Roosh’s, I’ve managed to figure it out. Travel to X place I don’t care about, read X book I don’t care about, etc. just so I can tell myself I did it.

I go to concerts for artists that I like, but recently I’m so focused on finding girls and trying to bang them, I find myself not even listening to the music at all. It sounds gay, but life is really about emotions and feelings as well as goals. I’m going to a psychologist to try to learn how to really ENJOY things again, and I’m not embarrassed about it. It’s helping. And going through the motions to prove something to yourself or others really sucks.

Trying to get laid is often disappointing because of the rejection, but it should never be “work.” Work can be rewarding or meaningful, but it’s never fun. If taking a girl out on a date, feeling her sexual energy, kissing her, laughing together, and teasing each other in the bedroom is just “work,” it’s no wonder women are losing value to you. No one has a gun to your head forcing you to do this shit.

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The cabin in the woods is underrated, so long as you have the companionship sorted out. And access to a town not too far away.

I live in the UK. Ive met the people who run it, like the think tank directors and hereditary peers/bankers. Ive seen how the people have taken it upon thaemselves to make themselves as degenerate as possible. We wage wars to genocide browns abroad, destroying Christianity and other righteous people in the process. Then we autogenocide at home via mass abortion and laws against men, leaving the future to whoever has the kids – those on welfare and immigrants. Ive seen shit that would blow your mind. I am of the firm mind that the UK and US is the nazi germany of our era (though the history of it is manipulated and we don’t get the truth of what happenned then). PUA is a reactionary movement that has led to further decline as the real problems are avoided, though at least some game is grounded in truth.

Im leaving this place because whilst the leaders are bad, the people get the leaders they deserve as i see the worst of humanity here. They won’t care until they get badly screwed, and they’ll keep on doing stupid shit for toilet paper money that is used in bad ways. If you want to understand how evil thrives and how Nazi Germany came about, you just have to look at society today.

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“PUA is a reactionary movement that has led to further decline as the real problems are avoided”-Sethdata

What are the real problems that cause game to develop?

Is it just me or are the prime girls (18-24) so screwed up today and due to that- require game to pull?

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Game is sheeple skills. Are we better off to leave sheeple resources to the degenerate peers no better than early Nazis? Pussy is politics. I pains me that the Manosphere is so slow to realize the political ambitions necessary to get out of the rock and hard place to which the OP alludes.

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you just complained about national socialism and degeneracy in one breath.

Oh the irony

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The pleasure is in both – the journey and the destination.

The journey becomes pleasurable usually and sometimes only if you reach the destination. There’s nothing wrong in that. No one likes to invest time for something which ends up in no return.

For eg. I wouldn’t spend time gaming in a country where I am sure I wouldn’t get laid, or I’d land in trouble for practicing game. I’m not going to waste precious time trying to ‘win’ over the people. Doing that would be recklessness inviting possible harm. There is a thin line between courage, recklessness and calculated effort. The most important thing in life is time, and trying to get the best returns you can get for investing your effort and time.

Indeed, no one learns game without effort or just reading manuals. We all need to approach and practice it. But with each failure, we improve on where we screwed up before.

I’ve gotten laid sometimes when I didn’t even try for it – and with the hottest women I’ve been so far in my life. Whereas I’ve labored like a dog trying to game a comparitively lower quality 6 with no success. That’s not only the irony of life, but also how women are. They decide whom to fuck with. You could make an 8 or 9’s pussy melt with your presence, whereas the access to average looking 6 or 7 pussy if like trying to smash through the Great Wall of China. Women are different. When this happens, I realize that women are souls. There could be a soul of a physically appealing 6 inside a body of 8 or 9, whereas there could be a physically appealing soul of 8 inside the body of 6. Women are like that. The 8 who gave me easy access to her vagina actually has the soul or mind of a 6. Don’t let the failures with women distract or disappoint you from bedding them again in the future. Women don’t even trust themselves.

The best way to practice game is to assume that your life depended on it. Not in the eagerness of the effort, but the realization that you can’t afford to quit gaming even if you’re rejected or fail with securing a bang. You simply shouldn’t stop spewing game and trying to improve at it.

The whore who’s experienced and skilled in sex, got her skill through painful experiences in sex before. That’s the same way for a player.

The problem of wondering whether ‘ the effort is worth it or not ‘ comes usually after some time in every man’s life. It’s called loss of confidence or energy. Happens when you start pondering over the meaning of life, as we are actually like Sissyphus doing the same thing again and again.

Sometimes it can be sign of low testosterone, which every man faces with age. I then usually pop zinc supplements to elevate my mood.

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+1
More like this.

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Great way to think about it. It’s kind of like a mindset to be in the present and disconnect all the hard work you’ve done in the past. However, all that hard work from the past does make you who you are today but you will be that same person whether you take action or not. Appreciate the past for who you are today but treat every endeavor like a new project you just started. That’s what I got from this. Good post.

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Why not just go to a place like Africa where you can walk around and just directly proposition attractive women for sex on the street for 10 dollars?

Seriously, people claim with the HIV it is risky, but not if you use a condom. In Africa, you can just walk around and smile at women and if they smile back then tell them you are travelling and lonely and ask if she wants to keep you company. Or get her number and offer her money via phone if you haven’t the balls to do it face to face. This way you can sex 3-5 different and very attractive women per day for like 50-100 bucks in total.

Have a relationship on the side with a girl you like, but when you want to get freak nasty, just straight up proposition normal attractive women on the street if they smile back at you. IMHO it sure beats doing random approaches and getting shot down left and right. The Africa method is about 70% hit rate.

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Which African country in specific are you referring to? And what demographic and class of women are you propositioning?

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West African Christian woman are the easiest. Avoid Muslim areas, avoid Southern Africa (where there is HIV), avoid Liberia (where there is Ebola currently and which was settled by freed American slaves and have the same bad attitudes as American blacks). Probably Togo is probably the best choice, though the language is French. Ghana is probably okay. The girls in Togo do NOT consider themselves prostitutes. Rather they expect a gift of money after they have sex with you. GFE with no rushing. They’ll come out and say something like, “aren’t you going to give me a gift?” and pout if it isn’t enough and smile and kiss you if it is. “Cadeau” is the French word for “gift”. They are black but act like normal people. It’s really quite amazing when you have all these black-skinned people and they act just like a bunch of white people, with no attitudes, no Ebonics. West African are a bit on the noisy side, however. But it’s a cheerful noisiness. Everywhere in Africa is corrupt, but Togo and Ghana are probably no worse than Russia in this respect. Stay away from drugs, avoid police and be respectful if you do have dealings with them and you’ll probably be okay. Dole out money slowly but surely to a hotel manager (pay by the day or week, not the month), and he’ll be your best source of good advice, since you are his golden goose.

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Interesting post. Are you a white guy? I’m a white guy and I’ve lived in South Africa my whole life and don’t find black girls attractive because of the way they speak English. As soon as I get the ‘eish eish helloo’, I have to repeat myself for them to understand it puts me off.

There are however a newer class of black girls coming up that went to private girls schools that were exclusively for whites and these black girls speak act and speak like white girls. As soon as I meet a girl like this I suddenly don’t see the colour anymore, it’s weird, I guess its a class thing. Make sense?

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goose that lays the golden eggs, I mean.

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I wasn’t sure you were brilliant or nonsensical until the last part. Our time and resources have a shelf life. I think we should compare the expected (average) return vis-a-vis doing nothing. In the long run, doing nothing is also a net loss because of atrophy. As, McQueen says, “You can lose money chasing women, but you won’t lose women chasing money.” Problem is the popular definition of riches and so the reality of riches no longer includes relationship value based on civilized principles. I’m going to try to pretend my life has meaning now and sally forth before it expires.

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so you never actually managed to lay one single Russian girl?

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I laid a Russian chick after 4 days in Russia and I could have done it earlier with good logistics. I think Roosh relies too much on tricks instead of stepping up his inner game and being honest.

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I knew it wasn’t “worth it” here in the USA. But, to here that you’re having the same thoughts in Poosy Paradise, well, ok. Maybe I had my shot with my ex and that’s as good as it’s gonna get. In that case, I’m done.

I have so many projects and things I want to learn and do that would only suffer from being distracted by females that the thought of having to really invest the work to run the numbers to find the one that’s worth all the effort is truly not worth it.

I guess I”m done, and out of the game. If I ever feel the urge to orgasm beyond why my hand can provide then I’ll plunk down the money for the hour or whatever to have a female satisfy my needs. It’s just not worth the sunk costs anymore — not here, and apparently not even there.

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Dont give up in EE. Rent an apt for 2 months and do 5 approaches/day minimum. if it still sucks after that-ok youre good and Indint blame you for going after the paper.

For self love get a Fleshlight-Stamina Training Unit. Chris from Good Looking Loser reccomends it as do I. It’s pretty close to real pussy especially if you warm it up in hot water and lube it well with Astroglide.

Ps-Not hating but you sound really cynical. Are you over 40?
I don’t blame you on getting money though. Don’t let the bitches of days gone past take your joy man.

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Love the reflections

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That is a very strange way to look at things. As Thomas Paine wrote: “What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value.”

Generally, it has been my experience that the harder you work for something, the more you value it. If you spend 10 years building up a business that earns $100K a year, you will tend to value it more than if you had just been handed the business without having to put in any work.

It sounds like your past successes may be clouding your present enjoyment. There is probably no country in the world worth learning a new language over just so you can meet new women, who probably won’t be that much different than women you’ve dated in the past.

You’ve reached a point of diminishing returns. Perhaps it’s time to set new goals, where the rewards are more commensurate to the effort.

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Moral of the story:
Love the “game” win or lose.

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Dear Roosh V,

Without having the honor of personally knowing you, please allow me to say that, following your writings, it is not the first time, that the same thought striked me about you. Please allow me to share it.
You are over 30 now.
Over 30, for a man, it is essential to start a family.
Yeah, wife and kids. I know, I know, marriage isn’t worth it, most women aren’t for wives, still. I dare to say, its not the wife that is important, that she be a 10 who loves you and who is the love of your life or something, or if you are able to maintain LTR game or not.
Its the having kids that is important for a man.
Right now, you are alone, you do everything for yourself, pursuing happiness, pursuing women, get up going to work making money for yourself, whatever.
If you have kids, you do not have to worry about yourself, your future, your happiness anymore. From then on, you will be able to live for others who are yours, to live a selfless life, all about giving, all about serving, all about sacrifice.
And all that will pay back when you will be old and your grandsons and granddaughters are playing on your knees. When your grandson gets older, it will be you who teaches him game. Teach him even in practice, pulling 18 year old 10s at age 80, with your skills it will be a peace of cake.
If I were you, I would go for it.
Best wishes to you, and I have to thank you for this summer of 2014 when I am am having the time of my life, which would have been impossible without your writings!
Take care!

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Why do people feel that “having kids is important for a man”?

Should this not be a personal choice. Can we not agree that encouraging people who have no desire to start a family to do so, is evil?

It is evil because a life has been brought into the world without true commitment or motivation to do so. Should I tell my child “I had you because society and family encouraged me to do so. I never wanted you?”
Because whether or not it is said, this would be true for a lot of people.

This has nothing to do with game or women being ‘broken’. Even if all marriages ended happily, and divorce didn’t exist and women

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Even if all marriages ended happily, and divorce didn’t exist and women were perfect little angels, it should *still* be a choice whether to marry or not.

forgot to end my sentence

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But of course it is a persional choice!!!
Did I make the impression that I am the one who is laying down the law and you or Roosh or anyone for that matter have to carry out my advice as an order, right now, no questions asked?
Of course not!
I was only trying to help, the way Roosh helped me with his writings.
Think it over, decide if it is useful for you or not, and do whatever you want!
However, is encouraging people to marry and having kids evil? Is encouraging people to follow their natural biological nature and basic, instinctive role to procreate evil? No effing way!!!
I would never advice for a man below 30/in his 20s to marry or having kids, ever.
Over 30 its different.
If you look around you and see those people over 30/35 who are single bachelors, seemingly having fun, partying, whatever, you will notice that somehow their lives are empty.
Living just for your own self, struggling day-by-day to survive just for your own self, is empty. Boring. To quote Roosh, it “simply isn’t worth it”. I myself feel it every day.
And we will grow old. And without kids, we will grow old alone and lonely. Will it give you force to carry on day-by-day at age 80 that you have memories of 50 years ago banging some Russian supermodel? Hardly. Will it give you force at age 80 to make through the week that at the week-end your grandkids will be playing on your knees?
You decide on that one.
Take care, and best wishes!

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Passing on your genes is what life is all about. Since Roosh prefers white women, he’d better do it in Russia which is cutting ties with western mentality.

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“Its the having kids that is important for…” providing the chattel necessary for smooth, uninterrupted continuity of societies.

Do you really love this society enough to sacrifice your freedom for it? To throw your future children into its maw?

Remember: cui bono? (Hint: Somebody has to pay for “needle in a haystack’s” retirement. And his/her kid’s nappies.)

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The mere act of observation affects the outcome of the experiment at a quantum level. I’m no expert, but I believe that if you game yourself into believing (and feeling) that each interaction will be a blessed experience, then I predict your hit rate will get higher. Law of attraction stuff..I’ve tested it in business and it works..but it is, however, more work.

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The juice ain’t worth the squeeze. The squeeze is worth the squeeze

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http://www.look-younger-naturally.com/facial-expressions-muscles.html

roosh v, those are the facial exercises ive been telling you about. what the video from the old lady.

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The great writers and philosophers have always stressed that satisfaction, by its very nature, is outweighed by the longing and anxiety that precedes and attends it, and that ere long, replaces it. What seems a man’s own desire is merely his bondage to nature. Thus desire is best understood as a kind of ironic game or joke. This old truth–prevalent in the works of Shakespeare, Schopenhauer, Flaubert, Hardy, Proust, Beckett, and in so many others–has simply been forgotten in our thoughtless time.

And yet, without vain pursuits, we’d be even more bored and depressed in life. Take old age, for example: we are then free from the sex drive–but does not old age seem very dull? Again, most attractive women are contemptible vampires, but would not life be intolerably empty without them?

The best solution, as Roosh says (more or less), is to try not to think too much–for human values come to so little, ultimately–though of course this solution is very hard for very smart men to put into practice, as they will naturally ponder and evaluate things.

Those who criticize Roosh’s appearance and attitude probably are free of the burden of being as intelligent as he is. They don’t see things as acutely, and so have much less reason to despair.

Of course, it’s also true that some men are simply melancholy by temperament. Add to this a very high IQ and reflective nature, and a man is sure to be unhappy.

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Roosh,
What towns are the easiest to pull in for fat American guys who do love missions to Europe?

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Towns where prostitution is common: Amsterdam, Kiev, Riga, Hamburg, Zurich.
Chicks prefer guys who are V-shaped, tall and muscular. Otherwise, you have to be loaded or have strong character.

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Chasing women as number one priority is wrong way to live.

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It is very interesting to see the change in your tone over the last two years. It seems you’ve painted yourself into a corner. You seem to no longer enjoy chasing women(even though you’re good at it) but at the same time you can’t quit because your livelihood depends on selling books based on chasing women.

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Hes mellowing out as he gets a little bit older.

Roosh get some T therapy Mike CF style-it’s all good. It’ll give you that rawness and hunger that flowed off of the pages of Bang and told people to quit being clowns, whiners, complainers and go do one approach a day or go be bitch made and play video games while the real g’s hustle.

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objectively roosh you seem to be a fairly attractive man, fairly rich, fair-looking, fairly intelligent, fairly engaging. but you strike me as someone who is not capable of loving a woman (right now). i can sense your coldness from your writing. your situation is exactly how i would expect it to. you attract young girls of fair quality similar to yours, and are unable to sustain a loving relationship with them. i dont really believe one can live like you do. you do not respect women, you use women only to fulfill the needs of your lust and ego. what about love? who is fulfilling your need for love?

you attract to yourself what you are. you improve yourself in various ways, and that is something i find inspiring. but other than that, have you never considered how you can better yourself as a person? have you never considered how you can put yourself in someone’s shoes and love them without judgement? have you never considered how you can become a kinder person?

i wish very much for you to become more trusting and hope you can find happiness, roosh. 🙂

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In business they call it “Sunk Costs”, what’s already invested. You have to evaluate each transaction or project on it’s own potential return: 1.) Abandon the present project or 2.) expand on it, or 3.) start a new one.
To calculate always the need to satisfy the return on your sunk costs could prohibit you from starting a new ‘project’.
Ursula Leguin: “It’s not the end that matters, but the jouney, in the end”

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Roosh, you offer a great perspective on the whole effort vs. reward paradigm. I can see where one can/does self-sabotage motivation if one comes at it tallying up all the work one has done since the day he was born, leading to this one moment of choice. Good insight.

It is your attitude about Game and honey-hunting that gives me pause even as I take in all the great advice about women the androsphere has to offer. I have just never seen it as a worthwhile long-term activity. I got married so I would have what I (grossly mistakenly) thought would be a reliable place to put my dick so I could stop focusing on it and its demands all the time and instead concentrate on my REAL life goals. The thought of spending so much time concentrating on satisfying – temporarily – just one physical urge that is NEVER satisfied for long seemed counter-productive to me. I still feel that way, however, living in the late-20th century, marrying a quasi-feminist, NOT knowing Game and NOT understanding female psychology set me up for massive failure. If only I’d known. . .

Regarding work vs. play.

Back when I sold radio, I spoke to a mobile home salesman near his 70s. He said he retired at 65 but after six months of playing golf every day he went back to work. He said, “If you have to do it, it’s work, even if it’s golf.” He said he never works anymore because he doesn’t have to do it.