People Should Not Be Allowed Unlimited Personal Freedom

Since I was a little boy, I was taught that freedom was a quality that made America great, allowing us to say what we want and live life how we want. The merits of freedom were never up for debate, especially since the dark days of American slavery made it clear that any kind of bondage, actual or figurative, is the incarnation of evil itself. Now that I’m older and have been able to witness human beings living with their freedom, I’ve come to the conclusion that complete freedom is not a natural human state, and giving it to individuals is more harmful than not.

I examined this problem by asking myself the following: what do human beings typically do once given absolute personal freedom? I first looked at the behavior of people in America, since culturally they have the most freedoms out of any other world citizen to pursue whatever lifestyle they want.

Most Americans, if you give them freedom and a life without restrictions, will almost certainly dive head-first into a life of absolute degeneracy and vice. They will pursue fleeting pleasures of the body, including alcohol use, drug abuse, and casual sex. They will make colossal mistakes with their education that put them into debt for life. They will seek out fame, attention, and validation instead of developing genuine skill or competency. They will permanently disfigure their bodies with tattoos and ear gauges. They will experiment with homosexuality or an artificially invented gender identity. They will overindulge in food and mindless entertainment. They will not educate themselves unless there is a bag of money at the end of their efforts. They will lie, cheat, and rationalize the hurting of others. The more freedom you give to the average person, the more they will harm not only themselves but others whom they come across.

I don’t have to look farther than myself to see how damaging freedom can be. Left to my own devices without expert guidance, I picked the incorrect major in college, leading to ten years of wasted time in the field of microbiology. I pursued sexual vice for over a decade that was fun and exciting only for the moment, and which has left me with no more than a handful of meaningful human connections and memories that produce just as much lamentation as happiness. And I strained existing relations with my family and friends to nearly lose myself in third-world countries when I thought that I would “find myself” instead.

It’s worth stating that I do have at least an average amount of self control when compared to my American peers. I don’t abuse alcohol and drugs. I exercise regularly. I don’t overeat or indulge in much entertainment. I am strict when it comes to working and reading daily. Yet in spite of that, too much freedom has hurt me greatly.

Giving a human being freedom simply gives them the ability to choose one of many available and willing slave masters, but even worse than an actual slave who has chains clamped on his wrists, the modern human seeks out chains for both his mind and body. What happens if you give a woman freedom? She enslaves herself to her feelings. She enslaves herself to entertainment, attention from men, alcohol, food, crushing student loans that she can’t possibly pay back, material possessions, and money. What happens when you give a man freedom? He enslaves himself to sex, corporate products, video games, to his own mirror image.

The actions of an American today seem free on the surface, in the sense that a person is allowed to leave their apartment at any time to do whatever legal act they wish, but those actions are pre-destined to cater to the unquenchable desires of their preferred form of slavery. They are driven every day by what they have voluntarily enslaved themselves to.

Not everyone responds to having freedom in the same way. One man will use his freedom to help his family, his tribe, and even society. He will use his time wisely to develop his mind, to study, and even to improve the world by chipping at his corrupt state. Another man, however, if you give him freedom, will not act in the same way if he possesses no innate defense to resist bodily pleasures, marketing messages, and cheap foodstuffs. He ends up serving others and harming himself or those close to him.

Some of you reading right now would be better off being required to follow established rules, traditional or heuristic, when it comes to how you live so that you reach your potential and keep yourself out from harms way, at least until you are able to build the high wall defenses in your mind to being enslaved. I would have personally benefited from such rules, or at least a hands-on mentorship, as recently as my late twenties. While humans must make mistakes to learn, build confidence, and find their own path, it is needless to let people travel so far in the wrong direction that they either don’t have the ability to return or are irreparably damaged by their grotesque experimentation.

I’m currently living in a country that has changed greatly over the past twenty years from the days of communist repression when freedoms were limited to now nearly unlimited personal freedom for people to look, act, live, and behave in any way they want. I can see firsthand how this freedom has merely transformed citizens from being enslaved to the government to being enslaved to alcohol, vulgar sexual vices, Hollywood-style entertainment, and corporations selling them shiny products, all while enabling them to adopt lifestyles that will cause long-term harm to themselves and to their society.

Most humans are not capable of wisely using their freedom, and so they must be restrained and managed by rules or by those who know what’s best for that individual more than the individual himself. In the past this restraint took place with those who had a sincere investment in the person’s well-belling, such as the family, the tribe, the village, and the local church, but these restraints are long gone, released in the cultural chaos of the post-Enlightenment world. With a general trend of increasing personal freedom around the planet, the only logical result is a steadfast mental and behavioral decline of humanity. Unless people are limited in the personal decisions they’re able to make, they will continue to hurt themselves and others.

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Without a foundation of discrimination and discipline, freedom is just license: to debase oneself in one dopamine rush after another.

The problem is real. But now that superego (traditions, family authority, headship, rules and protocols) has been dismantled, there is a vacuum of morality and virtue. In my opinion, there is little hope.

http://harmanjit.blogspot.com/2014/12/superego-and-morality.html

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Family was the bedrock of society and was strongly linked to property ownership, hence why the bankers promoted the destruction of the family – to destroy and impoverish society.

Western men can never rebel against a transnational industry that owns them through their food supply etc(most of our food comes from foreign sources and any collapse in the supply chain for whatever cause would starve the society, and they would do whatever they are told). Now such western corporations have done the same to India and China, as well as the Arab world having their leadership destroyed, in time, we will all be fucked.

Now that the world is stitched up, the only thing left to do is to impoverish and destroy what remains of the white race (as they still have too much compared to other nations) and enslave the rest.

Freedom is NEVER free. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

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Individual freedom is single most important thing that human civilization has achieved , Some will only understand value of it once they lose it.

Freedom given to the “educated” (in broad sense) man is not and cannot be the problem. For that man freedom is never absolute because educated man is also morally developed man.

Compare having too much of freedom causing eventually wrong personal choices with the destiny and almost absolute non-existence of choices of gay man in Saudi Arabia or the destiny of the man that considered himself lucky for getting one way ticket to well known tropical destination known as Siberia because of one wrong word he may or not have said .
Or indian guy forced to arranged marriage by his “wise family” and existing cultural norms /rules .

And plenty of other cases .

The solution (may be too late to have one) cannot be limiting individual freedom of all in order to address those who are not able to ‘handle it’ .

Theoretically the solution can be Niche Übermensch but there is no system in sight that can produce that kind of man in any number that can matter.

Certainly not Democracy and Capitalism as we know it.

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Hahahahha…..it always comes down to the Jews, right?

The only people that hate jews are low class white men who missed the prosperity boat and are looking for a scapegoat.

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I’m not white, jew.
I’m not low-class either.
Your propaganda is wearing thin.

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The only jew is you, troll.

You guys aren’t that smart at all, are you.
You’re going to die soon, so repent to God.

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The only jew is you, troll.

You admitted it as he didn’t mention it.
You guys aren’t that smart at all, are you?
You’re going to die soon, so repent to God.

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Sorry. Not a jew. Just dont like losers like you

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He said bankers. You’re the one who went all JQ.

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The alternate hypothesis to the superego on your blog is that some God entity is a connection to human conscience. The westernised concept of superego is one which denies God any place in human moral decision making. The people who came up with such a model did this on purpose.

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This article is easily one of the most insightful and meaningful I’ve ever read. Absolute freedom corrupts absolutely. Without stigma and strong social mores, humans will overindulge in debased entertainment. Without proper discipline in place humans will be inclined to pursue primal urges. Complete freedom me might sound wonderful in theory but it is ruinous in the long run.

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Loyalty to family, tribe, religion, and nation all helped to mitigate the problem of excessive freedoms, as did the dog eat dog world of bygone eras where people who acted like total dip-sh-ts starved unless they subordinated their will to some authority system like a religion in exchange for food.

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Fantastic! Just fantastic!

Most people, left to their own whims, will self destruct. The seeds of destruction sowed starting in the 60s have turned into the destructive growth called “society” that we see today.

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Unfortunately what you said is true, but try saying that to the average western female. They will claim that the idea that they should have babies to continue the society/race is ‘rapey’. Sooooooo, I guess that the white race in particular decided not to exist any more as they still engage in bankers’ wars (WW1 and WW2) where white people celebrate killing each other en masse for lies they are sold and the white women want to abort their white men’s babies and extort their white men to the hilt.

So, when the ‘fall’ kicks off full steam and they are surrounded by the hordes, will they then regret not having enough babies? Or will they blame the men as usual and sacrifice the males so the women can escape?

Ever seen the film ‘A Boy and His Dog’? Because that’s what western women want for us with their pussy power.

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Thanks for your comments. I have not seen that movie; I’ll look for it.

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multiple copies on youtube. i just saw it last night after multiple guys recommended it on the “mad max” piece at rok.

related. a major flaw of “the walking dead,” and other post-apoctolypic stories is a lack of rapes. i had this thought while reading about post-wwii occupied germany.

mass individual freedom = anarchy.

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Thank you for the info; I’ll watch it.

Good comparison with WW2.

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Most humans have a herd mentality and do not think for themselves. Those are the weak humans. The strong humans do think for themselves and do not allow temptations to get the best of them. America claims to be free country in which it is to a degree. Compared to other countries, America isn’t any different and in fact America has more strict laws compared to many foreign countries. I never seen so many power tripping gung ho militarized police anywhere except America.

Women are like children in many ways. When you do not discipline children, they will get rude and throw fits and try to scream and kick if things don’t go their way. That is when the adults step in and draw the boundary for the kid. Same with women. If society and/or her man does not draw the boundary for her, she will act whatever she feels. Since women are the biggest herd sheeples, they need shaming … it could be in form of (i.e. fat shaming, tattoo shaming, curse shaming)… whatever it needs to be done to put them back in their place so that they can act feminine and behave correctly. Nothing is more repulsive than seeing a woman walking down the streets with arrogance and stern look on her face and curses like a sailor.

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Even the strong humans are prone to error – those who truly think must be 1 in 1000, and most people are more interested in behaving selfishly than to trying to participate in a society of good and listening to such an individual.

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Welcome to Nietzesches Philosophy.

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Indeed. Screw natural selection. It’s time for humanity to start taking direct control of our genome, both by editing out the bad parts and writing in improvements.

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I agree that there should be limits to personal freedom. But not in the form of laws. In the past there was a difference between a law and a moral obligation. Together they were successfully used to keep the people free and moving forward.

What happened in the past? America was free, and yet it didn’t start to turn to what we see today until around the 60s. Cultural Marxism has royally fucked this country up to the point that I doubt we’ll fully recover. But was it freedom or just idiots? No system is perfect. I love America, but even it can and will fall.

I wouldn’t say freedom alone has killed us. I’d say freedom without some kind of moral code (Christianity preferably) tends to crash and burn rather quickly.

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Unfortunately, the limits of personal freedom occur when the freedom no longer exists and the people are enslaved/killed. ie when excessive freedom meets reality. Pretty much like the situation we have evolving since 9/11, the banking crisis, and extending for another ten to twenty years.

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I agree that there should be limits to personal freedom. But not in the form of laws.

There are laws that govern freedom: natural laws. That some men destroy themselves is the way it’s supposed to work. The cream rises to the top, as it should. Modern society is the only one that protects the weak, and we go even further than that; we put the protection of the weak over the incentive to be strong. I say, let them self-destruct.

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Pat Buchanan said this about homosexuals and AIDS in the 1980s. He was right.

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Roosh should read up on: r vs K

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Yeah, radical liberalism is a self limiting problem, but a horribly painful one to be along for the ride on, one that will probably end in 1) the end of the white race, 2) the attempted enslavement of whatever homogenous non-Jewish mixed race majority population is left, 3) the destruction of the jewish overlords by the numerically superior but technologically inferior hordes, along with the death of most of the hordes themselves, 4) a descent from technological economies back to agrarian or even worse hungter-gather societies, and 5) a new era of prehistory, where dissimilarly situated populations once again divergently evolve and the cycle begins anew.

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We have had a moral code for over 50 years: Greed is Good.

Whatever failures, perversions, corruption, or mental distortion in every society has been created from the dark seed of Greed is Good.

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Tlu The problem lies at the feet of the Christian pulpit (I am a Christian) in its failure to represent God in His moral laws. They traded their manhood for the jingle of coins and it castrated them; making them go-along-to get-along guys. Instead of remaining God’s man they became man’s man. They abandoned God’s word and wrapped themselves in a social gospel that in the end rots the soul and turns good sense into dementia.

God is lifting His hand of protection from the US and will soon abandon us altogether. Unless we turn back to Him. His message to us is: If we fight for our freedom we will die or be enslaved; if we fight for His glory, righteousness and justice we will have our freedom and prosper.

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I don’t know if it’s more scary or reassuring when I read the Bible and find that most of its teachings and warnings can and do still apply today. “Be in the world, not of the world.”

I find it to be quite sad when I see churches lead by women and gays saying silly things like “God is a woman” and “Jesus was pro-gay marriage.” They are parasites. But thankfully this kind of insanity is not sustainable. The false Christians with their false gods of women and the Earth will fall and Christians will be there to pick up the pieces and rebuild our church.

God may not protect the US from the coming storm, but He will not abandon His faithful. Stay strong, brother.

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Milton Friedman expresses my thoughts on this post perfectly: Just tell me where in the world you find these angels who are going to organize society for us. I don’t even trust you to do that.

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Milton told Phil Donahue that on his talk show.

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Yep.

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People believe in an emergence of a golden era in future, where God ruies on earth. The only problem is, that most people in this era have to die and are judged worthy only to enter hell in order for that to become true.

Governments of man are always prone to subversion by evil members of the human race who will always encourage self-destructive behaviours within the population to deprive them of their labours, before destroying them. This has been human history.

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Society should be structured organically, where:

1 – No government has any power that’s not explicitly delegated to it by some person or group of people who themselves morally and rightfully possessed that power.

2 – Society organizes itself with varying levels of structure, starting with the individual, then the household, then the neighborhood, then the community (i.e city,) then the county, state/province, nation, region, global.

3 – Authority must be explicitly and transparently delegated up the organizational tree starting from the living human individual, and may come from no other source.

4 – No authority may be delegated upward in the organizational structure unless it cannot be effectively utilized at or below the level it’s at (and once it reached a level that can enforce that authority it cannot rightfully be delegated any higher even if everyone wants it.)

5 – No authority may be delegated so far up the organizational structure that it cannot be effectively monitored by the organizational levels below it.

6 – No organization level shall have any right to such a thing as “territorial integrity” independent of the authority of those within it. No territorial integrity claims may be based on the rights of those who aren’t a part of the territory (residents of or landowners within.)

7 – Taxation may only occur at the commons, either by common services, common resources, common environment, or common borders. The proceeds of a human’s labor belong 100% to them until they choose otherwise or choose to interact with the commons in such a way that they choose to spend some of it.

8 – Integrated dissimilar populations must always have a peaceful and equitable manner by which to separate from one another if either side so chooses, and may do so by either side forming a majority within any political subdivision, effecting a partition of that subdivision, and enforcing equitable separation through the use of fairly administered imminent domain (in a manner which provides the displaced person with FULL market value of all relinquished property as well as moving costs and equivalent stated in some equivalent political subdivision.) Full equal protection shall be extended to both sides except to the extent necessary to effectuate the division (and even that would be a compensated deprivation.)

This would solve so much of world’s problems. It would allow Crimea to leave Ukraine and become part of Russia, or Ukraine to split in half, or the Southern half of California to go back to Mexico… It would allow fathers to once again become heads of their households (and to vote for all voting members of that household) with the consent of their family members (or, in unusual households would allow the wife to be elected the head of the household, or have no head of household and have it be a pure democracy, whatever.) It’s pretty much a libertarian’s wet dream and it should be the way things are done.

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Freedom isn’t bad. Shame and societal disapproval used to be powerful corrective forces in our society, without involving force or the state. Freedom combined with a pervasive dildo narrative is a recipe for disaster though.

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Hm, it’s true. I live in Canada and when it comes to ethics, morals, values, principles, the people here are the worst in the world. In Europe or Asia, there is (still, for now) a cultural desire to keep people in check (outright slutty behavior gets shamed by the culture, being fat gets shamed, even being stupid gets shamed, etc.), and in the U.S., many people – including younger women – are still members of religious groups and as such are somewhat held in check by their church. In Canada, however, there is culture nor religion to keep people in check, and what you get are the sluttiest, most hypergamous women I’ve come across in all my travels around the world. Here, women are not forced into following moral code, principles, values or ethics. They are encouraged to follow only the most primordial of their base desires: whatever turns on their clitoris. Even Canadian-born men have zero values at this point: I was at a party about a month ago where men were high-fiving another man for having had sex with a married woman. They say freedom isn’t free. I suppose freedom comes at a price that is paid in values.

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I knew several slutty Canadian girls at med school. Part of our time was spent in the Carribean and for sure some of the girls were looking for some local cock. The horrific thing is after these high notch counts, some of the med school guys were still interested in dating and wifing these women. I mean for one of the girls who easily had a 30-50+ notch count:
(1) the guy had an american passport which made it easier for her(as a Canadian) to get a job in the US as a doctor if she wanted
(2) the guy had to do drugs
(3) the guy was tall and handsome
(4) she had had lots of Carribean island cock/foreign cock elsewhere and he was supposed to forget about it
(5) she was only a ‘6’
(6) the guy had to be RICH

That’s what a guy needs to be to oftentimes keep a ‘6’ these days. Western women’s entitlement in Northern America is surely through the roof. It is catching up elsewhere though..

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pretty appalling to see that an average girl who is “6” has a laundry list of finding Mr. Perfect. This is why I gave up on North American women.

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Fucking true man.. 100 percent.. in the states you always see guys marrying way below them.. These bitches expectations are through the roof even though they have nothing to offer but a wet hole. The thirst is real in the West.. it’s spreading like a disease overseas also though. The only thing you can do is not give into it. Look out for numero uno, and try to enjoy your life and freedom. Freedom isn’t truly appreciated until it is gone.

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” In Europe or Asia, there is (still, for now) a cultural desire to keep people in check (outright slutty behavior gets shamed by the culture, being fat gets shamed, even being stupid gets shamed, etc.), ”

You haven’t been to the European countries I have been. Even traditional ones are stock full of people who bathe in constant vice. As for Asia, it’s the place where players go to rack up 100+ notches a year.

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I think what you describe is sadly a recent trend as the world gets modernised/westernized into a cultureless mass. I don’t think there is anywhere to run from such a decline as in the next few years, the world will be more similar in ideology wherever you go. I guess the best thing one can do is find a place to hunker down and deal with the world going to ratshit. Still, I believe that having a traditional community to fall back on is the way to go, which promotes strength over generations, as opposed to selfish atomised individuality(ie = modern society), where anything and everything, even your group and personal identity, will be stripped from you by a faceless system based on economics(banking) and wickedness, of both the bankers and their unwitting slaves, the masses.

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I think you have to distinguish more though.
I just returned from living 3 months in Spain (Alicante), and returning to my native Norway I must say I was surprised about just how much better Spain appears on most factors regarding cultural decline.
Women dress less slutty, way less use of smartphones, men behave more masculine etc. I know its anecdotal, but still.

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Spoken like someone who has never known what it’s like to live without freedom. Who decides the rules of bondage? What if it’s the social justice warriors?

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He’s saying unlimited freedoms to do whatever you like is in fact harmful to the individual and society
He specifically uses this in the context of post Enlightenment , the most deadly age in human history , where more people were killed by unrestrained freedoms and subjectivity than the previous 2000 years combined.

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Correlation is not causation. But I’m sure Kim Jung Un would agree with you that less free societies result in less killing.

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SJW = bankster run
police = bankster run
healthcare = bankster run
food production = bankster run
military = bankster run

Whoever owns and produces the fiat cash is king these days. The people are lulled into complacency thinking they are free, when their world is but a lie, a virtual reality of sorts in more ways than they can fathom.

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“Give me control of a nation’s currency and I care not who makes the laws” – Baron Rothschild

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Here’s a thought, at it’s very core, culture is defined as (in the anthropological sense that is)

“the sum total of ways of living built up by a group of human beings and transmitted from one generation to another.”

For example, one cultural value that fits this would be: honor thy neighbor as in, respect your neighbor.

Another way of looking at this is that in essence, when a society lives WITHOUT rules and permits everything, it effectively removes culture from the equation and allows the state and the media complex to dispense its own culture, whose purpose is (to no surprise) to fragment individuals, to make them conspicuous consumers, and to profit from their self destruction, self mutilation and death.

The purpose of a healthy culture is to foster healthy people, we are entering an age without culture, a VERY dangerous proposition.

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Quality point: ‘we are entering an age without culture, a VERY dangerous proposition.’

This makes a mass of people easily manipulatable to control, and to be used towards an evil end. I would argue that 95-99% of people in the west are evil, even just by virtue of paying taxes without protest, when those taxes are used for foreign wars and to promote society-ending behaviours, such as welfare state engineering and mass immigration. The person is essentially enabling these evils. I am giving one example, but most people usually have 5-15 such behaviours. Perhaps there is a reason why, for example in the Bible, God wiped out the mass of humanity, for they had become mindless/unwitting slaves of evil, like the western nations are today, like Sodom and Gomorrah.

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Freedom is not the problem but freedom withoout consequences in our welfare-state.

Btw. alcohol is not a new problem in the former sowjet countries.

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Great article, although the problem is wrongly defined.

Freedom is not the problem, the problem is that true freedom must coexist with morality and truth. Truth is absolute, even if we cannot comprehend it at times. This is the opposite of the concept of moral relativism, which is the belief that there is no real truth, and each person can just believe what he or she wants. However, truth is not relative and it is not up for debate. Your truth is not different from my truth. It is just that some people understand more truth than others.

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Top comment.

I would argue that western society has abandoned God and also their way of worshipping him, which is Christianity. Most so-called Christians these days are fake ones, either reactionary Bible-bashers, or feminist new-age Christians, which is more akin to Luciferianism than actually being what Christianity was originally about.

You cannot even think about rebuilding the west without acknowledging this issue first.

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The average human will not be able to seek and maintain both morality or truth in the face of modern temptations, and I doubt that they even want either.

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Roosh, read this article (originally linked by doktorjeep) about the Law during the so called Dark Ages.

The Law back then was customary (as opposed to statutory as today) and it had to be both OLD and GOOD.

For us law needs only one attribute in order to give it validity; it must, directly or indirectly, be sanctioned by the State. But in the Middle Ages, different attributes altogether were essential; mediaeval law must be “old” law and must be “good” law….If law were not old and good law, it was not law at all, even though it were formally enacted by the State.

Decentralization Hidden in the Dark Ages

I’d love to hear your thoughts and why not even sum them up in a separate article. I think there’s a lot to be learned from it.

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Yes I read that recently. I do agree that decentralization is ideal, as I hinted at here: http://www.rooshv.com/what-is-government

But the problem is what institutions will provide people the precepts and cultural rules for living? Law alone is not enough.

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We simply need a set of commandments taught at home, such as:

1. RESPECT LIFE IN ALL ITS FORMS.
2. LIVE IN INTEGRITY.
3. DO NOT STEAL OR APPROPRIATE THAT WHICH IS NOT YOURS.
4. DO NOT LIE.
5. CARE FOR EVERYTHING. In other words, DO NOT WASTE – ANYTHING.
6. REMAIN CLEAN, NEAT AND TIDY IN ALL WAYS.
7. STRIVE TO BE INDUSTRIOUS AND EFFICIENT.
8. STRIVE TO BE MODEST.

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1. Love God
2. Love your fellow man as you would yourself

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No, it’s not that simple.

There has to be something “higher” to satisfy humans.

Sorry.

“If God did not exist, it would be neccessary to invent him.” – Voltaire.

While your rules are commendable, they are not “it.”

Some anthropologists, for example, suggest the only reason humans display sexual morality is because of fear of the reprocussions during the after-life.

The Muslims even got around this, by offering 72 virgins in the after-life for sacrificing your life in the here and now.

There’s far more to this than a set of neat rules the boys dormitory would adhere to.

We’re talking about the fundamentals of life, and why one should “carry on” despite it.

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“Therefore, all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them; for this is the Law and the Prophets.”
-Matthew 7:12

“A cadet will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
– West Point Honor Code

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I’d like to think what you said is true because most people (even the elderly) have their thinking impaired by manipulations such as TV brainwashing etc…

But what you said is 100% true. The bankers and their brethren have already won, and remade most of the human race (at least in the west) into degenerates. So the general public are mindless degenerates who are ignorant of this (they don’t know or understand) and are not necessarily evil – so their wickedness is due to poorly learned social behaviours.

Still, you gotta pay the price when a society becomes that way and that price is usually in blood.

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Don’t worry, Roosh. There are plenty of people who think they know what’s best for you and would love a chance at limiting your freedom as they see fit.

The problem is not freedom. It’s the State.

Have 4 kids out of wedlock? Here’s some welfare and some Section 8. Want to have tons of unprotected sex with lots of guys? We’ll force your employer to pay for your birth control. Don’t want to learn any employable skills? We’ll raise the minimum wage. And on and on.

I work until mid April to pay my tax bill and my health insurance tripled for the sake of allowing someone else to pay less. If you think that’s freedom, well, you and I have a different definition of the word.

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I agree in that the state should not, through hard edict of law, try to legislate morality, but they should definitely not enable it (in the form of Title IX, Violence Against Women Act, homosexual marriage, etc.)

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“I agree in that the state should not, through hard edict or law, try to
legislate morality, but they should definitely not enable it (in the form of Title IX, Violence Against Women Act, homosexual marriage, etc.) ”

There is no neutral on these issues. If the state isn’t supporting male primacy and suppressing sodomy, then it will be enforcing feminism and sodomy. The state is a weapon that must be pointed in some direction, at somebody.

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Evil leaders and excessively brainwashed/subservient populations are the problem. Social divisions are also a problem as now that society is so fractured, even groups cannot agree amongst themselves as to the best means as to how to solve the current problems.

There is only one solution – society has to collapse. And whether by design or happenstance, it WILL happen. It is only a question of when. I personally believe that western populations en masse can no longer defend their freedoms and that the gap of knowledge between them and the ‘rulers’ is so large, that whilst the rulers may get sent down eventually, they will not be hanged by the masses. The masses will get their economic system crashed and will be engineered to hunt each other(eg racial divides being promoted such as Ferguson) and also will starve.

Do you trust your neighbours to make good decisions, especially in a crisis? Most people these days are not self-sufficient in any way and even rely on ‘leaders’ to guide their decision making process. We are fucked because the human race has allowed itself to become lazy slaves to entertainment and fads. In 5-15 years, the west is going to burn.

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COMPLETELY AGREE – End Welfare and Welfare queens and their 15 Shitlets will suddenly end! Welfare buys votes for Democrats!

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The increase in freedom allowed for the decrease in parenting. This is when things really go downhill, especially when seemingly well to do fathers let their daughters tattoo their lower backs and work in bars. They allow their sons to get wrapped up in gay culture because they failed to inculcate them with any identity. This “do whatever” culture is really destructive. This is why nations with stronger identity will conquer us.

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I think even alpha fathers have a problem, in that a degenerate society is always stronger than one man and his principles. Arguably, alpha fathers do not exist these days and the game is rigged, so the social engineers always win.

If society ever collapses, which it surely will, it will now be because we have evil leaders who now rule over an atomised mass of selfish and wicked individuals who are programmed to do society-destructing behaviours without realising it and without being able to change.

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What happens when there’s a decrease in parenting? The “village” raises the kids more so than the parents. And whose the “village” run by? Mostly feminist construct. A marble of freedom run a muck.

A primary role of the father was wisdom, he had all the answers and all the guidance. With women initiating 70+% of divorces, and all the wisdom of dad being replaced by answers from a Google Search, and the guidance of dad being stripped away legally by women from men with the state enforcing it, the failure is inevitable. It’s the perfect storm.

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I believe the problem you are referring to is not freedom, per se, but the consequences of there being very few consequences in our lives. We are free of many struggles of the past, for sure.

Techonology, medicine, etc. have just made life very easy. Survival is hardly on the line for most modern developed societies. Life has become frivolous. Giving people more freedom might actually be a cure since the dependence created by the socialist nanny states is part of the problem. Plus, we’ve been on a free ride of debt and money printing which will eventually run dry and bring us closer to reality.

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Even though Fight Club is social programming, it is so true that “our war is a spiritual war, our great depression is our lives’.

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Freedom is something that one understands only if they played a role in earning it for themselves. Most Americans are too far from the earning it part other than on an individual scale by men who realize what a bad deal American women are and react accordingly. What you witness in Poland is that freedom has brought degeneracy because your target group played no role in securing Poland’s freedom and thus they have no skin in the game. However, freedom is always superior to lack of freedom, it is our freedom that ultimately led us to the decision to unplug from our personal Matrix.

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The excess of freedom will be short-lived for western nations, as there are always consequences which are now manifesting in terms of the economy and demographics, as locals have no children, they cede their power to foreigners. The initial problem was the excesses and poor choices of past generations, especially those born pre-1990. Now we will be left with a future of poverty and wars.

Whatever you surmise to be the cause, there is a big culling coming soon.

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The problem lies not with a failure of the Polish people to pick up their pitchforks. In fact, they participated en masse in marches, rallies, protests and nationwide strikes. They did the work. But the question to ask is, when the dust settled did they share equitably in the economic gains that followed.

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The problem with this mentality is summed up in the expression “Who will watch the watchmen?”.

Murray Rothbard considered this issue and said something similar. If people are by nature inherently good, then any kind of system should work. However, if people are by nature inherently bad or merely incompetent, there is little sense in putting one person or group of persons in charge of all others.

I would say this. If most people tend to degenerate into vice, it is irrelevant to those of us who seek to accomplish more. As long as the vice-seekers don’t get in the way of those who seek great accomplishment, the harm the vice-seekers create is very minimal and not a justified source of concern.

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Even inherently “good” people will find it difficult to make personal choices for other people. It would be impossible to gather enough information about another individual’s capabilities and disposition to make their personal choices for them, especially in the sort of standardized way needed for large-scale social planning.

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People are intrinsically amoral and will follow whatever ideology is presented to them, as exhibited via the ‘Stanford Prison Experiment’ and several other studies. People need to learn that their actions can hurt others, that there are consequences that are bad in the long run and that will be punished. Strong rulers who desire good for the people can achieve this function, but the so-called rulers these days are nothing more than an international crime syndicate.

Working for a certain country/group of people who are more than an outpost in the Middle East.

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“As long as the vice-seekers don’t get in the way of those who seek great accomplishment, the harm the vice-seekers create is very minimal and not a justified source of concern.”

Not only are the vice seekers getting in the way, but they are deliberately through state and economic violence trying to impede upon more traditional ways of living. If a man today doesn’t tow the line at work or in school, he will be targeted.

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Too true, I told a white guy in med school that white guys in the UK do have it harder in some ways and the next thing I know, the white (don’t know her religion) feminist doctor next to us tells HIM that he should be careful with what he says!

To be honest, does it matter if you tow the line if you’re going to be executed slow-style anyways? I’m pretty sure most people are targetted these days BEFORE they are an issue, as evidenced by the massive NSA/GCHQ etc surveilance we have these days, better enabled by our smartphone-based society.

Look up the website Deagel.com (run by ex-US military Edwin Deagle) and see the population forecast for the US by 2025.

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“Not only are the vice seekers getting in the way, but they are deliberately through state and economic violence trying to impede upon more traditional ways of living.”

I recently heard a SJW say if a person wants a traditional lifestyle they should do what the Amish do, and drop out of mainstream society. The way things are going I wouldn’t be shocked if people actually started to “go Galt.”

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Lol! You haven’t gone Galt yet?

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Screw ’em. The first imperative of any living thing is survival, not reproduction (the second imperative).

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I wanted to laugh at that, then I realized I could lose my job over laughing at an inappropriate joke

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Most people, men included, do not make good decisions. They are not future-orientated, only 30% of the people have the potential to consider the consequences of their actions.

Case in point, consider the UK where for the last 20-30 years, many young single women have been paid by the state to have a baby. It was considered normal at the time. They would get knocked up at 16, and they would get a paycheck as their ‘job’ to look after the child. This led to a single-parent family with no paternal input and had a consequence on the child who was often dysfunctional and had less life chances as two parents were not investing in it. This snowballed into the child having multiple offspring, who all had a single parent and so on. It made for a weaker and more divided society less able to stand up to their cruel leaders, who have now destroyed the society. If the welfare checks stopped, much of the society would collapse, as people have become so dependent on support systems that may not be there for them in future, as the society has been bred (read:engineered) this way.

Lastly, consider alexander solzhenitsyn, who warned of the consequences of a Godless society leading to Communism where 100 million died, including 66 million white Christians in Russia. The west abandoned the ideas that made it a strong and independent society and replaced that with destructive ideologies including feminism and wealth as a ‘social good’ to replace the community. Now we have no coherent community and when this banking scam goes tits up, people will easily turn on each other and will not survive, for they have lost the ability to behave as independent civilized people.

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Freedom is just another word for “nothing left to lose”.

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Don’t need to be free comrade, just don’t forget to pay your reparations to the IRS the:
Israeli
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Then you can have all the freedom you want. That we give you.

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While individuals often make shortsighted decisions for themselves, who is better equipped to make those choices? Should we trust the government to decide? The church? Our parents? The freedom to be an idiot lowers overall societal utility but seems like a lesser evil.

The poor decisions of others also create a competitive advantage to those of us who make better choices. Success is very often relative. You’re only “smart” or “attractive” or “rich” or “athletic” in comparison to those around you. If everyone made perfect choices you would find it far more difficult to maintain your position at the top.

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The society in the west is run in such a fashion that those that rise to the top and comprise the vast majority of society are below mediocre. It must be that way in order for control to be maintained in what is rapidly becoming a communist society for the many, a la 1984, before it most likely collapses akin to the USSR of old. There is no competition for talented individuals, who are most likely persecuted and destroyed by the society. Superficial things like attrativeness are promoted, whilst important things such as control of the money supply are not meant to be meddled with by the masses(aka SLAVES ! )

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So there a vast conspiracy to suppress exceptional people? Or are the people who fail to rise to the top of even lower caliber than the “mediocre” ones who do?

Talented, driven people aren’t being persecuted. In fact, they have access to higher rewards (at least in the form of creature comforts) than at any other time in history.

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What you said is BullShit as I have seen personally who works in government and even the top doctors I work with are not as good as their more junior staff – if you think otherwise, you are a blinded moron or a shill.

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Your ad hominem attacks are badly misplaced. You don’t know me and, as a result, are making some pretty broad assumptions.

Further, the fact that some unexceptional people (as defined by you) can achieve success does not mean that talented people are being persecuted and destroyed.

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Point taken, but I have seen 3 spectacular professors (all doctors) persecuted and 1 outstanding community leader who threatened the rule of the banking establishment destroyed in the UK, so just because you don’t see it does not mean it does not happen in the west.

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Those in power want to perpetuate their position. This does not mean there is a centralized conspiracy to suppress exceptional individuals, or that talent doesn’t increase the chances of rising to the top. The efforts of the existing elites to undermine challengers create some level of inefficiency but are not the only force at play.

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Don’t forget that overt control over a man renders the same outcome. He will act out and seek freedom by enslaving himself to the same vices. Instead, a disciplined, loving and empathetic guidance is what our generation is desperately but subconsciously craving and without it we will continue to get away from the truth. But who can guide us?

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The best choice we have is the church.

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People need to form their own Churches – the mainstream ones tend to promote too much garbage that is a cause of the societal problems, as the churches have chosen ‘worldliness’ over trying to live a good life, even though it is hard.

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I tried looking for answers and guidance in various churches and was met with superficial rhetoric. We need new churches, which are not driven by money and are invested in our spiritual health.

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I don’t go to Church. I just read the Bible and have done so after I had a near-death experience a while back. I prefer getting my own answers and look up stuff on the internet (though there is a lot of shit and manipulations out there too). Churches have become corrupted and I don’t need a pastor to tell me what I know is true. If you look online, you’ll probably find some online groups with similarly minded people, though I think the best place to look is to keep asking God directly yourself.

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Amen.

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The church is the worst choice we have. It is premised on falsehoods and superstitions and doesn’t tolerate dissent.

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“It is premised on falsehoods and superstitions and doesn’t tolerate dissent.”

Sounds like the modern left to me. I’ll take the church and their magic man in the sky.

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Assuming that the church does promote some values that we (especially you) consider beneficial and lacking in modern society, does that make up for its being premised on total and utter bullshit?

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Absolutely, if it replaces what we have in the USA right now (consumerism, hedonism, individualism, cosmopolitanism), especially since the scientific premise of our lives (Darwinism) is also bullshit. I’ll be tackling that in the future.

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I assume you are talking about some form of social Darwinism rather than just the origin theory. Regardless of its failings, science will always outperform the church in the long run.

The answer to our society’s moral decline is not to revert to the church’s moral absolutism and anti-intellectualism. A Christian Iran is not the lesser evil.

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“Science will always outperform the church in the long run.”

That’s a pretty grandiose statement that, although popular in our degenerate society, has absolutely zero basis in the facts science itself puts forth – which so many Atheists proclaim to believe in.

The Truth of the matter is that Religion is UNIVERSAL to human cultures. As in, there has never been a society of any magnitude that has existed without a religion at is foundation.

Atheists, so far, have not created ONE single civilization… and it’s not like we are the first people to have thought we were so brilliant we could abolish God and run things ourselves. (The story of Iccarus, anyone?)

The fact is, whether religious morality is “real” or superstitious fiction doesn’t matter in a mechanical sense. What matters is that large populations are more or less on the same page in regard to their values. Think of it like deciding which side of the road to drive on… both the left and right sides are 100% equally valid, however, if everyone made up their own mind, there is no way our roads would work. We need a “moral value” that we all agree upon so that “the system” works.

So far in all of history, the only thing that has been able to do this in a way that creates and maintains a civilization is a religion – whichever one it may be.

And, since Christianity has created the largest, wealthiest and safest civilization the world has ever known, it would be safe to say that the majority of moral values the Christian religion puts forth are actually superior to the values of religions which have created far lesser societies on a scale of success.

Science, so far, is batting a big fat ZERO in structuring a successful civilization, despite all the knashing of Atheist teeth.

Even when using the scientific measure of “survival of the fittest,” Christianity far outperforms science, since Christian has actually survived and flourished, while Atheism and moral relativism based on synthetic morality never has – not once – and that’s a scientific fact!

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Societies do need to agree to a moral code but religion’s historical role in defining and enforcing morality doesn’t mean that it is the best mechanism for modern times. Religion is effective because it addresses a human psychological need, but premising morality on ancient superstition ultimately undermines the legitimacy of that morality. “Thou shall not kill” is an almost universal moral principal, but the reason shouldn’t be to avoid going to the fake hell imagined by a bunch of bronze age shamans.

As for our wealthy and safe civilization, it created by a combination of colonization and technology. Christianity just happened to be the religion of the people with the most guns.

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And… how are you going to create these things with science, when all of history has shown such a path to be false.

Ignoring that religion is UNIVERSAL to civilization, while claiming science is the answer, is kinda like saying we just simply should all ride our candy crapping unicorns around the countryside to save to the environment.

It sounds nice, but doesn’t work and never has.

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You forgot to read when Christian values were the only thing that galvanized different European peoples to defend their common homeland against the Muslims, thus preserving the West or how the reason-based Christian God enable the flourishing of science in the West.

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“Moral absolutism and anti-intellectualism” can be thrown at fundamentalist atheists just as well as fundamentalist Christians. I am neither btw…..

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I don’t think they are equally applicable in this context. @Roosh_V
argued that the church is the best source of morality to counter our society’s degradation. The church’s morality ostensibly emanates from the commandments of an infallible supreme being, and this being’s rules are non-negotiable. A fundamentalist atheist might be stubborn and insufferable but should theoretically base his conclusions on analysis rather than “faith”.

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He “should” but how many actually do? In my experience many atheists just regurgitate the latest diatribe from whatever fashionable article or book on the best seller list.

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I think i had read on several reputable Christian sites that the Churches had become under some 501c (?) law that makes them beholden to corporate interests and the stock market. So it is no wonder that they are not representing people and are letting things slide. They have already been subverted from within by monied interests and the banksters who run this society, as you cannot monopolise the society without teraing out the backbone of the west, which was paying homage to God through genuine Christian thought – the Christianity we are ‘provided’ with these days is a cheap substitute/counterfeit/deceptive lie. Just like our money supply and society.

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When has the church ever not been beholden to its own financial interest? There might occasionally be factions that are less financially motivated (e.g. Reformation-era Protestants, certain congregations or sects) but let’s not pretend the institution was suddenly co-opted by “banksters”. The church has been a giant money and power grab for a thousand years!

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The true church are believers who go on seeking God and using the bible, not some building or community group.

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As opposed to, say, the scientific rule of academia, which enslaves millions upon millions a year with unneccessary debt to hear its “truth”, which does not provide for an actual living and which ostracizes dissenters in the same way as the church excommunicated its heretics?

When have INTELLECTUALS not been beholden to their own best interests, financial or otherwise?

The greatest scientist to have ever lived was a Christian, you know. Isaac Newton (also, never married), was a devout Christian, and sought to understand the way “God made the world.” Galileo was also sponsored by the church in his early scientific career… despite all the talk about his oppression. (He became a political prisoner, not a religious one – as were most others persecuted by the church WHEN IT ACTED AS THE STATE!).

Since the advent of the institution of “the university” in the 1600’s, all intellectuals have flocked to its campus, but before that, you know, if you were an “intellectual,” you actually had to join the priesthood or a monastery – that’s where all the “smart people” went before we had universities.

So… if we were to define which group of people, throughout history, have sought to “oppress” other people with their ideas… it is safer to say “intellectuals” than “religion,” since religion does not oppress people in our society anymore, yet, intellectuals still seek out witch-hunts exactly as they did 400 years ago… just look at the Fake Duke Lacrosse Rape Trial – it’s not much different than Salem. All were intellectuals… and all were wrong.

The Bible, btw, has steadfastly held True throughout the ages, despite the adverse affects of “intellectuals” from both the seminary and the university.

It’s still as true today as it was a thousand years ago. Kind of like how a country’s constitution is supposed to work… now, why on earth do we have constitutions, anyway?

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Institutional academia has its own profound issues but, if anything, they impede the progress of actual science and knowledge.

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Yes, so why rely on them? Throughout the ages, they have shown anything BUT wisdom!

But then, of course, comes the question, “Who SHOULD we rely upon?”

An obvious reply would be, “Model yourself on those who HAVE been successul!”

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Roosh, I think you’d enjoy reading Donoso Cortés.

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In the past, yes, but with the innovations of science today that can disprove many “magic man in the sky” theories I think religion will only lose its relevance as time goes on.

An option of compromise would be philosophy/religions like Buddhism that don’t require a belief in the supernatural, but then it lacks the fear of eternal damnation that is such a powerful motivator. Basically, I believe in the Noble Lie idea of Plato, but I do not see religion as a sustainable way to sustain this lie going forward.

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God.

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Where can I talk with this “God” about guidance?

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If people pray and seek him out enough, he may just communicate with them in some form. You are sounding sceptical so you would have to be in a different headspace to understand.

I truly know you could do it if you believed and tried.

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This is puritanical totalitarian garbage.

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is it, or you cannot see it whereas others can/are experiencing it?

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Yes. It is totalitarian garbage. No, it is not the case that roosh’s brilliance has uncovered a hidden truth. Totalitarians always enact their regimes under the auspices of “saving people from themselves”. He’s apparently turning into a new little hitler.

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He has to form a political party then get elected I would suggest….. Hitler was elected no?

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No, I don’t thik Marshallaw. Roosh doesn’t have to be elected to see similiarities between what Roosh preaches here and how Hitler felt about people too.

Seriously, why do you guys follow this guy? Can you not think for yourselves?

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Pray tell what did Hitler feel about people? Have you read Mein Kampf? Or do you rely on the History channel? Comparing the two is infantile in the extreme. Has Roosh called for war on other countries to expand his borders or the extermination of minority religions?
You might not agree with what he has to say but you have just proved Godwin’s Law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
I can think for myself thank you very much. I read books, blogs and whatever other media I like and come to my own conclusions.

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It’s really only freedom in unimportant matters. OK you can sodomize your buddy, but if you want to build a house, start a business, get married, purchase medicine, etc. you are smothered by taxes and regulations.

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yeh – get to choose between 22 flavors of ice cream. and even those freedoms are diminishing, as brands get consolidated due to economics.

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What a coincidence, just yesterday I was reading up on John B. Calhoun’s “Rat City” experiment from the 60’s. He created a utopia for rats with unlimited food and water and wanted to see what happened when all the rats’ survival needs were met 100%. Here are the results:

“As the scientist observed, a social hierarchy developed: One despot male and 9 females claimed the two defensible pens with only one ramp provided; 60 others crowded into the other 2 pens with two ramps. Calhoun found that “rodent utopia” rapidly became “hell.”

He described the onset of several pathologies: violence and aggression, with rats in the crowded pen “going berserk, attacking females, juveniles and less-active males.” There was also “sexual deviance.” Rats became hypersexual, pursuing females relentlessly even when not in heat.

The mortality rate among females was extremely high. A large proportion of the population became bisexual, then increasingly homosexual, and finally asexual. There was a breakdown in maternal behavior. Mothers stopped caring for their young, stopped building a nest for them and even began to attack them, resulting in a 96 percent mortality rate in the two crowded pens.”

Remind anyone of anything?

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In evolutionary psychology a lot of behaviour is rationalized as having an adaptive underpinning. Even “disorders” like depression, anxiety, etc. are sometimes given a spin such that they are behaviours intended to help the organism adapt to its environment.

This can lead to the false interpretation that all behaviour by an organism is towards optimizing fitness, and is thus justifiable at least in a Darwinian sense.
Sometimes I rationalize SJW behaviour as justifiable in the sense that it is serving to optimize their competitiveness with other humans. I hate it but only because they are getting in the way of my own subjective goals.

But the Calhoun study is a great counter-example to this logical mis-step. Sometimes behaviour is simply anti-life. The bi-sexualism and rampant behavioural disorders observed in those rats led to an irreversible social collapse and as I understand it, the population dropped to zero.

At least some of the behaviour we are observing in the cultural left is simply anti-life and needs to be avoided/destroyed at all costs if a person wants to live a prosperous existence. They just want to lock everyone else into their little rat-“utopia” with them.

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It’s anti-life because we’re seeing the rise of ‘programmed’ robot-like human beings.

Only capable of thinking about the things that are repetitively drilled into their heads via indoctrination by college and TV etc.. So they are mindless zombies who do what they are told until their services are no longer required.

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In my opinion, a lot of modern pathology can be directly linked to our quality of life. Humans in the Western world have no natural predators and an amazing quality of life where even the average person can live better than royalty did in centuries past. Because all our survival needs from the bottom of Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs are met we can therefore focus on less important things in life.

Unfortunately, this has given rise to SJW’s, many of whom come from privileged backgrounds and create artificial problems for themselves and society. While SJW’s are complaining about getting PTSD from social media, wild animals like rats in their natural habitat are still in the eat-sleep-fuck-reproduce cycle, where everything they do is done in order to survive. If they fuck up they could become food for any number of animals. And I guarantee if there’s a rat out there who develops PTSD because another rat was mean to it then natural selection will weed it out very quickly.

In short, I highly doubt there are rats out there concerned with being transgendered polyarmorous pansexual otherkin. This kind of shit can only exist within the mind of something who has too much time on their hands and no real problems to speak of (College students, people with easy jobs, trust fund kids, etc.).

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Or rats of the same sex fighting over a wedding cake..

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I don’t think the earth is overpopulated, that is an engineered lie by bankers and shills, but they are certainly pushing for all rural folks and all others to become packed in cities globally via economics (cities=ground zero for mass deaths when the global supply chain of food and supplies gets cut).

It is not a conspiracy theory, especially not when 1% of the world’s population has over 50% of its wealth (that they admit, they probably have more).

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This is very much in line with my own life as well.

My habits in my first year of studying abroad at a university for my engineering degree was the biggest regrets of my life. It was the first time where my parents were not breathing down my neck making sure I was focusing on my studies and where attendance for most lessons was not taken down (most of the lectures were posted on the student website for ease of revision).

During the first year of my university degree, I skipped out on most lectures and only bothered to attend the ones where they actually did check for attendance such as tutor groups, computerized tests, seminars and laboratory work. I remember becoming lazy and thought that if was going to be late for lectures by even a few minutes, I might as well not go. That was before I became really immersed myself in Roosh’s websites (rooshv.com, rooshvforum.com, returnofkings.com and reaxxion.com).

Several months in, I started to develop myself in body (working out , practicing self-defense), in mind (become involved in many different topics, started reading up great literature, nearly completely becoming at peace with my insecurities, becoming more confident) and in soul (started to practice virtue, became a more rational soul compared to my older self that was quick to judge based on emotional cues).

Nowadays, I am taking my degree much more seriously, am more motivated to be active and expand my knowledge to become a polymath instead of a specialist.

This article reminded me of my own personal freedom as an adult. As I am in my early 20s right now, I’ve got a long path ahead of me ready to be shaped in my own will. All that personal freedom, as an adult especially, is a powerful but it comes with a cost: Responsibility.

To quote a quote that I am sure most people are tired of seeing, “With great power comes great responsibility.”

Honestly, Roosh and Co. Without what you do, I’d most probably be neglecting self-improvement and dicking around while playing video games for 10+ hours straight and remained socially inept like I used to.

Thanks.

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This era of libertinism and spiritual malaise is the result of the collective consciousness deciding that it does not want total sovereignty. I’ve been refraining from my vices for several months as part of a personal experiment, and the most pressing question I receive is, “Well how do you escape?” The idea that you’re always in control of your decisions is too much to handle for most people.

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You’re really speaking ill of whoremongering?

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I believe some moderation for men is necessary: http://www.rooshv.com/what-is-neomasculinity#12

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Didn’t you shove some bitch in a bar at Amren?

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You just gotta “keep your head down” and plow through with your own goals. Giant horse blinders may be required. Discipline is almost unheard of in the smartphone era – how can people possibly NOT notice the herd mentality, lack of connection and lack of eye contact? It’s beyond fucked, in the USA at least. Now for some asian notches

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“The Bible is a blueprint for society. It shows us how a society ought to be formed. It takes away certain Relative Truth arguments which would be destructive, and instead promotes productiveness. The Bible is the Book of Life because it promotes those ideals which cause a civilization to grow, prosper and flourish.”

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“Kill People Who Don’t Listen to Priests – Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT
Kill Homosexuals – Leviticus 20:13 NAB
Kill Nonbelievers – 2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB”
List goes on

– Bible, the book of life

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I see no problem if atheist homosexual Jews such as yourself are put to death.

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Old testament is a record and not supposed to be adhered to.

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Brilliant. You’re brave enough to realize that you -on a personal level- and men -not only women- are guilty too. You’re becoming wiser, your thoughts on the effects game has had on your life are really deep.

I remember some time ago you started a thread about volunteering, and I think this post is related to that. There’s some change of views when you’re in your mid to late thirties (I’m slightly older than you) but I can honestly say I feel the same way.

I attended a Catholic school but I never considered myself a religious person (and I did not care too much about what they taught me there, to tell the truth: they seemed like the devin in disguise to me) but lately I’ve been thinking about freedom, sins and redemption… you get the idea. And I’ve realized only those who have taken “wrong” paths can really find the right road for them. You had freedom, you made mistakes, they make you wiser now: even if it was just for you, freedom was beneficial. If you have never been able to quit your lab jobs, you would not be writing this great post.

Keep up the good work, and thanks again for your honesty.

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“Modernity has confirmed what anyone could have told you a millennia ago: that people are broken sinners, when left unguided they wander.”

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Case in point. http://www.rooshv.com/my-boner-is-my-master
Great work lately, roosh.

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To believe in the equality of all men, when we see them all unequal; to believe in liberty, when we see slavery established in all parts; to believe that all men are brothers, when history tells all are enemies ; to believe that there is a common mass of misfortunes and of glories for all men born, when I see nothing but individual glories and misfortunes; to believe I am referred to humanity, when I know humanity is referred to me ; to believe that humanity is my centre, when I constituted myself the centre of all; and finally, to believe that I should believe these things, when they are proposed to me by those who tell me that I should believe only my own reason, which contradicts all those things they propose to me, is an absurdity so stupendous, an aberration so inconceivable, that I stand mute and astounded in its presence.

Juan Donoso Cortés. Essays on Catholicism, Liberalism and Socialism: Considered in Their Fundamental Principles (1874)

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The Libertarians, like the Communists, have fundamentally misjudged human nature. The live in a romantic fantasy world where the vices of the stupid do not affect the virtues of the wise, where the stupid can be left to their own devices as long as they don’t compromise the freedoms of the rest. In reality, of course, the mass harms the few in countless, often unquantifiable ways, despite even the fanciest non-aggression principle or similar concoction. They poison their environment, they poison the gene pool, and they will use their “right” to free expression in every possible way to poison the minds of every level of society.

The roots of this go all the way back to the Enlightenment Romanticism of the Founding Fathers and the unwarranted optimism about human nature that was the flavor of the day of the 18th century. All are born equal! All have been endowed with a heart-warming set of human rights by our glorious creator himself! And red-blooded Americans today would rather see their country perish than move away one iota from this nonsense. None of their dear allies around the globe will stop them – the place in the sun is about to become free, and the realists are willing to take it.

The art of crafting a healthy society lies in finding the correct balance between rights and obligations, freedoms and duties. The one always increases with the other. The great majority of men will find their calling and highest destiny in being followers; this is good and healthy and natural: let them find their purpose and happiness in their own place.

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You know, today I indulged in a little Facebook and couldn´t help to feel a little envy looking at beautiful pictures of the theatre of other people’s lives. But this post reminds me that I chose to build my inner world first, that I must ciment my life to a rock of discipline, sacrifice and nurture for my loved ones. I can’t just be swayed away by the waves of cultural decline, even if I don’t live in a country of degeneracy. What’s your advise for 20-somethings living in today’s weird times? I live in South America and would love to travel, but I won’t fool myself: If I don’t know myself right now, I won’t find me anywhere else. I admire your authenticity because it helps me keep going…

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“Most humans are not capable of wisely using their freedom, and so they
must be restrained and managed by rules or by those who know what’s best
for that individual more than the individual himself.”

Ah, but who knows best?

That’s always been the trick.

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People need leadership. It always was, is, and will be, that we evaluate leaders according to the principles that guide their rule. Since modern leaderships have market demands as their principal guidance, we value them as corrupt and decadent.

Through history, good rulers were those who paid particular attention to justice, morals and orderliness.

World of interactions based on unlimited personal freedom is a cool bed time story. People are tribe. We cannot create social perpetuum-mobile. Why the hell do people think nations came into existence ?

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You chose the wrong major? Why do you think so Mr Roosh? Or if I suspect right, Dr Roosh? ( I don’t know about American systems but to be a senior microbiologist in Malaysia one needs lots of experience, or a Masters or PhD or MD). Because I thought microbiology is one of the STEM fields, but why do you feel it was the wrong major? Just out of curiosity.

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Roosh, it is not the freedom that is the problem – it is that people demand freedom without the responsibility that comes with it. And by and large, the politicians give the people what they want. Especially to women.

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Roosh is just mirroring the Alt-Right here, get off this kid’s site and join the men.

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Not allowing personal freedom is dangerous, because you open the possibility of other (certainly stupid) people controlling you life. I rather live free to reach my full potential and see the miserable life of others (because of their own choices) than risk my life just to see idiots telling me what to do. Just remember that we are, de facto, living in a police state and still society is going downhill.

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It’s because of the masses (of idiots) that a police state is imminent in the usa to begin with. The choice between freedom and order is a tricky one, you can’t have one without the other since both roads lead to the same destination (tyranny/anarchy – mad max style) and neither are desirable for your average man. I really have no answers on this one, for I don’t make it my business to regulate other people’s lives, although I’d always side towards freedom.

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Typical Muslim. Advocating Sharia law after he has had his fill of fun. Now he dictates how others should behave after a decade of debauchery. Pure hypocrisy.

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Stupid comment but still funny as hell.

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Freedom would work if we were not being socially engineered into decadence. We are being brainwashed to emulate freaks and degenerates.

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Roosh, you’re getting closer and closer to becoming a Christian. I can feel it. You’re starting to realize that we are all essentially dead and enslaved to our sin nature from birth. It all goes back to the book of Genesis. In order for human beings to have true freedom, we must be born again and allow Jesus to transform our hearts and minds so that we don’t fall into mindless vices that end up destroying us. It’s called walking the Christian walk. Only then can we find true purpose and have peace that surpasses all understanding (Phillippians 4:7).

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Personal freedom is great when you have a purpose in life. In truth nothing was expected of me outside of “go to college and get a good job”.

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There is a book called ‘Common Sense’ by Thomas Paine. Highly recommend it for you. It talks about this subject.

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I”m torn on this idea.

1. The idea that unlimited personal freedom is purely a philosophical construct. For American’s, and much of western world, it was the misinterpretation of the philosophies that were used to justify the revolt against King George known as the American Revolution. That revolution spawned others, most noteworthy being the French Revolution. With unlimited freedom, first of which is to revolt against the system, there are counter balances that act against such full-on freedoms to try to bring them into line with the existing societal equilibrium. In some cases, as in the founding Father’s, the exercise of full freedom brings a new epoch of civilization. In others, full exercise of freedom fails and results in harsh consequences (e.g. brutal suppression of the existing power structure, of backlash for the establishment). In an evolutionary context, humans who wanted to depart from the tribe to exercise complete freedom did so at great risk to life and limb as they left the rules, expectations and conformity to the tribe to pursue individualism. The tribe, in fact, may have been the greatest threat to those who exercised full-on freedoms because of the threat if possessed to the tribal existence — letting even one leave the tribe may encourage others to leave until the tribe ceased to exist, leading to the demise of everyone in it. So, from this point of view, I agree with Roosh that there must be limits to freedom if society is to exist.

2. On the other hand, Darwinian forces can cull the herd of weaklings when they decide to leave the protection of the herd, tribe, or in our modern era, societies, countries, cultures, and the like. Let mentally ill emo girls, criminals, drug addicts, and similar go off the rails, and their horrible decisions will lead result in natural consequences that eliminate them from mainstream society, and in some cases their own departure from the human race. When people who decide to live in pure freedom depart so far from accepted behavior and self-discipline that it lands them in perpetual trouble, prison, or even death, do not the forces of nature and society take care of the problem? If we accept that this is true, and Darwinian forces are at work to weed out the week and undesirable, then why not let people live in unrestricted freedom, as long as they do not burden, or more appropriately TAX, the rest of society by the exercise of their freedom. As long as I don’t have to suffer for the freedman’s bad choices, then I say no-harm-no-foul. Unfortunately, our western society, the one that extols the alleged virtues of unfettered freedom also demands taxation to pay for the irresponsibility and poor choices of the purely free who can’t take care of themselves as a result of poor choices resulting from freedom without responsibility, which seems to be the final demise of our western society.

So, I put both ideas (1) and (2) above on the scales of reason and conclude that because of the forced taxation and social acceptance on the part of responsible freemen for the benefit of the irresponsible rabble who use the idea of unrestricted freedom as the right of all humans, I have to agree with Roosh and say it’s time to take action and restrict freedoms for those who demonstrate they are not capable of being responsible and productive with said freedoms.

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Roosh, do you have any plans to visit Australia? I would love to hear your thoughts on our local, ah, “women”…

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Where do you live and what are your thoughts? I’m based in brisbane

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We need freedom to be able to think, analyze and select those roles that we will follow with discipline in order to live a virtuous life. Every man lives to his own standards, and he is free to do it.

If some men choose the astray path, then there’s little to do about it, and I wouldn’t waste my energy trying to be a savior.

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Interesting hypothesis. A broadened scope of “peer pressure” is upon us as well, since controlling the information age’s affect (socially especially) upon one’s self means blocking out multiple channels of stimulus from all directions, disallowing it to own your time, and your mind.

To enslave yourself to your own heuristic moral fortitude and self achievements, rather than “vices” per se, now takes multiple times the effort to maintain, and doesn’t induce it on one’s self operationally the same way it did a few decades ago. Commit first, accept the consequences later, was a solid way to jump into unwavering goal achievement in the past. Freedom now means less up-front consequence for breaking commitment. She doesn’t want to finish her degree? She can bang a plethora of readily available thirsty life-committing betas, marry, divorce them, and be better off in the long haul financially… something that was less available pre-internet, pre-smart phone.

It’s the carrot on the stick hanging in front of everyone’s face, and so many will take a bite just because now they can.

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Where exactly do americans get this idea that they have the most personal freedoms from? You’re not even the “freest” people in North America, out of 3 whole countries.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/under-obama-u.s.-personal-freedom-ranking-slips-below-france/article/2556322

21st, not even in the top 20

Meanwhile, Canada ranks 5th, NZ 1ST

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Yeah, the problem with a broad term like “freedom” is that America can have the most extreme aberrant behavior, which is encouraged and normalized, and can be considered “freedom,” while lacking basic things like an adequate place to redress government grievences, personal property protections, and privacy. So the term “freedom” doesn’t adequately describe the state of affairs here in the USA.

These days the more “different and unique” someone looks, by inserting different pieces of shrapnel into their bodies, and carving symbols into their flesh, the “free-er” their sexual life, by having promiscuous sex with dozens and dozens of guys that they are not emotionally attached to, dressing in odd manners and wasting adult years of life playing video games, writing public online diaries (blogs) that no one cares to read, and experimenting with bizarre hair styles and invented sexualities are all encouraged. While at the same time, financial freedoms, freedoms of valuable expression like diversity of ideas and thought, challenges to the status quo, and personal privacy, are all stifled.