Pick Only One For Your Society: Casual Sex Or Marriage

Many conservatives rightly criticize the promiscuity of modern society, but they stop far short of the needed solution: a complete elimination of casual sex. Until that is accomplished, we will see a steady decline of marriage and family creation.

If you approach marriage in the same way as buying a consumer product, you will fail. Marriage was never meant to be a form of comparison shopping as if strolling the aisles of Mega Mart with Amazon loaded up on your phone, because unlike with consumer goods, there are billions of potential mates around the world, and it would take a hundred lifetimes to sample them all. Shopping around for a husband or wife with the goal of finding the “best” means you’ll never find the best, because there is no sign, moment, or realization that confirms you made the perfect choice, unlike buying a new smartphone or car where you have less than a dozen reasonable options to evaluate based on your needs and budget.

There are dubious studies of low sample sizes that show the more sexual partners a woman has before she marries, the more likely she will divorce, but we don’t need them to confirm common sense. The more likely a person is a foodie, the less satisfied they will be with their next meal. The more experience a person has traveling the world, the less excited they will be about visiting a new city. The more sexual encounters a person has had, the less impressed they will be with any new partner.

He don’t impress her much

It’s less of a big deal to get fatigued from food or travel because they are not dependent on fulfilling your biological urge to reproduce, but when you develop high standards with dating due to excessive sexual experience, you may very well miss the boat on creating a family. What ensues is a fetishization of a perverted or hollow lifestyle, whether it be sport fucking, internet attention whoring, careerism, money obsession, traveling, or pet ownership.

The phrase “ignorance is bliss” had to be first applied to relationships. You’re not supposed to know too much about the opposite sex, because it ruins your ability to be satisfied in a relationship. The more I know about female nature, and the more that knowledge is confirmed with experience, the less likely I can ever see one woman as my ideal. On the other hand, if I randomly got married with the first cute girl I ever dated back when I was in my early 20’s, understanding women wouldn’t even be a concern on my mind—I would take the good with the bad and be less likely to see marriage problems as existential or catastrophic (until I get divorce raped, anyway). The women I write off immediately today would be a worthy prospect to a man with a fraction of the experience I have because what I see as negative wouldn’t even reach his conscious awareness. While he may get screwed over by her in the future, he will at least be able to to maintain a period of familial bliss.

Even if you agree with me that casual sex makes it more difficult for marriage, applying that lesson won’t make any difference for you unless most of society also applies it. If you refrain from casual sex while most women you consider attractive is racking up notches at breakneck speed, invariably while intoxicated, your luck won’t increase. The only exception is if you find a small community, like the Mormons, that theoretically prohibit its members from participating in pre-marital sex. There has to be a top-down mandate, cultural rule, or even law that prevents pre-marital sex.

Prostitution can be exempted, since there will always be a subset of whores in any society that will not fit a marriage norm, but they should be openly shamed instead of being allowed to corrupt society with their whorish ways like we see today.

Ask this question today and you’ll be labeled a misogynist

If you get up and leave the West for a traditional country, but are still able to obtain pre-marital sex, you are not in a traditional country. It just may seem traditional upon leveraging your passport, money, and good looks for a girl who sees you as the best she’s ever had. She dedicates herself to you not necessarily because of tradition, but because she doesn’t want to lose you in a local dating market where you’re a perfect ten out of ten. That may soon change when a new the globohomos in Silicon Valley invent a new app that delivers handsome Chads right to her mud shack within an hour or less. Until then, you’re taking advantage not of traditionalism but arbitrage, a practice that will bear less fruit as the world becomes more globalized and connected.

The only solution I see to saving marriage is to ban pre-marital sex by law. There will surely be law-breakers, such as myself, but if they’re punished with a loss of citizenship privileges or even jail time, there would be such a rush for people to marry at a young age that many of our societal problems would evaporate overnight.

Of course this would never happen, because there is nothing to suggest that a sex-rigid leader will ever erupt onto the political scene, and Christianity is too weak when it comes to matters of sex. There is always Islam, but the extremists in their lot make life so difficult for everyone that any benefit from an improvement in marriage will be nulled by economic impoverishment. It looks like we’re stuck with broken marriage for our lifetimes along with the destruction of the family unit that goes along with it, even though the fix is ever so simple.

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Looks like our dear host as hit the wall.

“The more I know about female nature, and the more that knowledge is confirmed with experience, the less likely I can ever see one woman as my ideal.”

Actually, it’s MORE likely when a man who is well versed about female nature and has numerous experiences that his ideal materializes.

“Shopping around for a husband or wife with the goal of finding the “best” means you’ll never find the best, because there is no sign, moment, or realization that confirms you made the perfect choice.”

Actually, men figuring out what they want in a wife by way of “checking out the goods” and doing “price comparisons” indeed confirms that the “purchase” is a wise long-term investment. But you have always been on poon patrol, so you don’t know any better.

“There are dubious studies of low sample sizes that show the more sexual partners a woman has before she marries, the more likely she will divorce, but we don’t need them to confirm common sense.”

Actually, those studies also show that the more sexual partners a man has before he marries, the more likely he will cheat and divorce. Be honest next time. I know it’s challenging given your nature.

“The only solution I see to saving marriage is to ban pre-marital sex by law.”

Which is anti-liberty legislation. What you are proposing is fascism. No thanks!

“There will surely be law-breakers, such as myself, but if they’re punished with a loss of citizenship privileges or even jail time, there would be such a rush for people to marry at a young age that many of our societal problems would evaporate overnight.”

No, there would be no rush by manospherists. In fact, the jails would fill up, and the multi-million dollar industry that you helped to create would be forced to go underground, and you would be considered a traitor. You’re wishing upon a star, Jiminy Cricket.

“Of course this would never happen…”

Exactly. The point is moot. Doesn’t mean, however, that our society is beyond repair.

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“Fascism” *is* the answer.

When you drive around you don’t have unlimited liberty to do whatever you want, there are strict rules that govern everyone’s freedom while on the roadways because if there weren’t it would be chaos and a lot of people would get hurt and it would take everyone significantly longer to get to their destination. In fact, by restricting the immediate choices we have greater freedom to do bigger things with our lives.

The same applies to the modern dating and sex market. There are huge swaths of people who don’t get to be their true selves because of the messages the culture sends us and the chaos caused by too much short term freedom in the sex market. So many women who have been prevented from becoming good mothers and who would have had great joy in their children, but instead they are spoiled and rotten by the world telling them there is happiness in attention whoring to get 5 minutes of a chad’s attention.

Some freedom’s have to be limited in order for people to live up to their potential. Just as driving has to be limited in order to allow everyone to coordinate on roadways and make it safely in a timely manner to their ultimate goal.

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You’re driving analogy is not fascism in action, it is legislation enacted in a representative democracy. You are literally too short for this ride.

“So many women who have been prevented from becoming good mothers and who would have had great joy in their children.”

Focus on your own life and building it, rather than trying to tear down the lives of other people. Perhaps you can hire a life coach to sort through your obvious deficiencies in your character.

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Perhaps but I remember being told Driving is privilege not a right.

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I don’t even think fascism would stoop to assigning you a wife.

Besides, you’d end up with a #3 landwhale, because you could not afford my prices for “upgrades” at the Ministry of Partner Assignment, where I’m Supreme Commissar.

Payable in gold to my offshore account, btw.

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I don’t think that the State should regulate an intimate aspect of human life like sex. Everybody should be able to discover and follow his own way as long as he does not harm others. Authorities can’t tell you how to live up to your full potential, it is something that you have to figure out by yourself.

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“Actually, it’s MORE likely when a man who is well versed about female
nature and has numerous experiences that his ideal materializes.”

Unless you’re Roosh, who is now 6 or more standard deviations on the right side of the bell curve. You’re far better sticking with median value of N, because too much knowledge is just as harmful than too little.

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LOL you’re a fucking loser. Men figuring out what they want leads to a better marriage? Um yeah that’s why divorce rates are ten fold what they were when pre marital sex was taboo???Dumb shit. And um no…the jails wouldn’t fill up because middle eastern jails aren’t jam packed with offenders of pre marital sex. You’re a liberal whore piece of fucking shit. I hope you get cancer.

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I think marriage was better off when men knew what they wanted before they went out looking for a wife, and the average expectation of those men was known to women. “Decent looking, knows how to cook and clean, wants to raise a happy family, won’t cheat on me.” Much better system, for men and women. And especially for children.

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I see you got easily triggered.

“Men figuring out what they want leads to a better marriage?”

Exactly, because if they know what they want, and the relationship confirms what they want and are getting what they want, then the marriage will be observably better.

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Nope just bunch of male suicide bombers hoping for piece of ass in the next life. The religion of peace, my ass it is!

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“Actually, it’s MORE likely when a man who is well versed about female
nature and has numerous experiences that his ideal materializes”.

You obviously don’t have much experience with women. The more you know, the more you search for something better. Not just in the sexual realm.

When you know too much, you get picky. The purpose of marriage isn’t to optimize your choice anyway. It’s to optimize your choice before it’s too late.

You have a window where you can easily get married. It’s somewhere between the end of your first and third serious relationship, provided those occur before you’re past 25.

If you bone more than 3 or 4 girls without having a serious relationship before 25 then you’re not marriage material anyway. You have to be a little bit delusional to get married, and that’s what serious relationships entail before your 25th birthday.

After that you start worrying about money too much to do something stupid like get married and have children, which makes no financial sense at all to anyone who thinks about it a little.

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“You obviously don’t have much experience with women. The more you know, the more you search for something better.”

No, it’s the more you know you have something great, the less you want something even better. That’s how it works.

“When you know too much, you get picky.”

Except that pickiness doesn’t mean a person constantly searches. It’s called self-control.

“The purpose of marriage isn’t to optimize your choice anyway. It’s to optimize your choice before it’s too late.”

No, it’s to make the best decision at that time by looking at everything, and choose what option will bring about the most opportunity.

“You have a window where you can easily get married. It’s somewhere between the end of your first and third serious relationship, provided those occur before you’re past 25.”

The window is different for different people.

“If you bone more than 3 or 4 girls without having a serious relationship before 25 then you’re not marriage material anyway.”

Well, that would be your opinion.

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There is always Islam.

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Islam will probably be wiped out by the globalists after WW3, when they introduce their atheistic superstate.

The answer is biblical Christianity, but it doesn’t exist today anywhere other than amidst remote or secluded outlier communities, a theme set to continue until the Church’s golden age – the “kingdom” Christ told His people to pray for – actually comes.

Guys who want to sample every woman they can will never be satisfied; the nature of their quest, the obsession with having a harem, ensures its own futility. You have sex with all the lingerie models on earth and still, you’ll not be satisfied; the first hottie you see arm-in-arm with another man will make you feel like a knife has been plunged into your soul because you will want to defile her too.

Humanity has gone feral without the restraint of the Word of God, without self control and disciplined repression of base impulses. You can’t have every car, every house, every delicious meal you see… Why should you strive to have every beautiful woman?

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The numbers might disagree; Demographics is destiny.

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You are an invader by residing in Brazil. You must go back.

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The Brazilian Government disagrees; Permeant Resident.

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The Brazilian Government might disagree with you.

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Its complicated. Most sheeple will follow the norms of the society set up for them. The )ews through social engineering have made the norms casual sex, especially with western women slutdom and marxist feminism. Marriage is reserved for nonwhites or for those wishing miscengenation. With females entering the workplace has come the erosion of earning power of the male, more fertile age females becoming sterile cat ladies and a variety of other problems. Nothing outside a total socetal reset would fix things at this point. Even marriage has become a joke as the weakest beta males who put up with female and societal shit get married and breed weak minded children. Plus the guys who are woring on their third,fourth and fifth marriages completely destroying the idea of a partner for life.

Truth is it comes down to this. Pick one for your society: jewish communist liberalism degeneracy or traditional conservative society as it used to be in the 1800s.

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Its complicated. Most sheeple will follow the norms of the society set up for them. The )ews through social engineering have made the norms casual sex, especially with western women slutdom and marxist feminism. Marriage is reserved for nonwhites or for those wishing miscengenation. With females entering the workplace has come the erosion of earning power of the male, more fertile age females becoming sterile cat ladies and a variety of other problems. Nothing outside a total socetal reset would fix things at this point. Even marriage has become a joke as the weakest beta males who put up with female and societal shit get married and breed weak minded children. Plus the guys who are woring on their third,fourth and fifth marriages completely destroying the idea of a partner for life.

Truth is it comes down to this. Pick one for your society: )ewish communist liberalism degeneracy or traditional conservative society as it used to be in the 1800s.

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It’s really not that complicated. People today are simply exercising their liberty. It’s not about “Jewish social engineering” or “Marxist feminism”. Talk about being you being brainwashed!

“Marriage is reserved for nonwhites or for those wishing miscengenation.”

You do realize that white people are marrying white people, right? And as far as race mixing is concerned, so what? You are just mad that some dark skinned girl rejected you. Get over it.

“Even marriage has become a joke as the weakest beta males who put up with female and societal shit get married and breed weak minded children.”

Of course, marriage is serious business. Why not get physically and mentally stronger by reading Gorilla Mindset? Your bitterness will melt away.

“Truth is it comes down to this. Pick one for your society: )ewish communist liberalism degeneracy or traditional conservative society as it used to be in the 1800s.”

Actually, you are outright lying here, as the choices you created are just made up. Are you a cartoon or a bot? I can’t tell…

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“People today are simply exercising their liberty.”

And that evidently isn’t going so well, which is the whole point and it seems to have escaped you. By the way, you seem a little too obsessed with this.

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Disagree, freedom is not the problem an overreaching nanny state which empowers yet unshakles women from any responsibility is.

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No, that would be Fake News on your part.

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How so? In a freedom based meritocracy a patriarchy is a natural result.

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You cannot deride the “nanny state” out of one side of your mouth while espousing libertarianism out the other. The nanny state IS the natural consequence of “freedom”. Women are simply exercising their freedom to vote for policies that reduce yours. Why is that so hard for you anglos to grasp?

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“Even marriage has become a joke as the weakest beta males who put up with female and societal shit get married and breed weak minded children.”

This is my take as well, that current marriage trends are essentially dysgenic. Modern pairing essentially boils down to men and women joining up for practical reasons around money. This selects for men and women who are good at making money and who buy into the current system.

This doesn’t select for intelligence, beauty, athleticism, or any real virtues. Forgive me if I don’t regard staring at the stock market all day as a true advancement towards greatness for our civilization. We are selecting for a mercantile and petty upper-class and a giant fucking blob of lower class goblins at this point.

I’m basically pro-authoritarian and anti-democratic at this point, assuming that the dictator would have some kind of higher aspiration.

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“This is my take as well, that current marriage trends are essentially dysgenic.”

Right, because the first thing men and women should begin to ask moving forward about their potential mates is “How can you prove you are not exerting a detrimental effect on later generations through the inheritance of undesirable characteristics”? N—–, please.

“Modern pairing essentially boils down to men and women joining up for practical reasons around money.”

Actually, today’s marriage centers around the traits one finds desirable.

“We are selecting for a mercantile and petty upper-class and a giant fucking blob of lower class goblins at this point.”

And where do YOU fall on this spectrum?

“I’m basically pro-authoritarian and anti-democratic at this point, assuming that the dictator would have some kind of higher aspiration.”

Then you would be one of few people who feel that way. Thankfully, your notion is going nowhere.

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“Right, because the first thing men and women should begin to ask moving forward about their potential mates is “How can you prove you are not exerting a detrimental effect on later generations through the inheritance of undesirable characteristics”? N—–, please.”

How is this not an important question?

“Actually, today’s marriage centers around the traits one finds desirable.”

Yes. And my argument is that modern conditions force money-making and subservience to be the most desirable traits.

“And where do YOU fall on this spectrum?”

I’m no Hercules, but I have decent blood. Above-average IQ and a functional and aesthetic body. People like me should be middle-class but will probably end up in the lower-class goblin masses in the long run.

“Then you would be one of few people who feel that way. Thankfully, your notion is going nowhere.”

We’ll just have to wait and see.

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The decision to ban Alex Jones was made on the 6th. Pay attention to the 6th.

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The decision to ban Alex Jones was made on the 6th. Pay attention to the number 6.

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Muh 6 million!

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The decision was made months ago. It was executed on the 6th. Probably to confuse numerologists like you. Ignore the number 6. Focus on the numbers between 1 and 31 except 6, since 6 was offered as a decoy number.

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Make pre-marital shenanigans illegal, like Iran? Roosh, if you were in Tehran, your ass would be flogged raw. Forty lashes per act of fornication. Best to visit the whore house….excuse me…it’s called something else in Iran, but I will call it a house of temporary marriage, where the imam is a de facto pimp. Find a gal that suits your fancy, negotiate a marriage price, consummate the marriage, then after 30 minutes or more, say “I divorce you!” three times. Aren’t loop holes in the Iranian version of Sharia law great?

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That reveals another problem of maintaining sexual control over women: they can just get up and leave to another country where they can be “free”.

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Globalism ruins everything. It was better when most people were stuck in their home country. Actually it’s the internet that ruins everything. Most people were too afraid to go overseas before the internet. They didn’t know what was there, or where to go. Even though there were guidebooks few people went.

That all changed with the fucking internet. Plenty of outstanding places were promptly ruined when every detail of your trip could be explored and planned in advance, often in a community of other people who had gone and delivered first hand reports.

Saw it happen to Thailand.

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Petruccio Yes that’s still better than free-for-all uncontrolled fuckfest that postmodern western society has become. At least there is some kind of procedure you need to follow before you can satisfy your urge to fornicate. And very few people even take that option in a traditional society. Iran has far better marriage rates and relationship satisfaction than western nations

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“Make fornication illegal” is the logical solution for one thinking of societal change as top-down or authoritarian–think cultures who have kings or even “democracies” run amok.

Personally I’m interested in Yahweh’s law as memorialized in the Torah. Here the society is kept in line by (in order of severity) shaming, exile, or death by mob. For them, fornication is “illegal,” but it is the whole society that metes the punishment, or when matters are more complicated, they bring they issue before a judge (not elected–merely someone both parties trust to arbitrate the disagreement). In the case of exile, the purity of the community is protected without death.

Society needs laws (as understood and agreed upon by the mob), but we don’t need kings, police forces, or secretive agencies.

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The civilization is terminally ill Roosh. You are well aware of this. You are calling for “chemo” basically on a Stage IV cancer patient. It would kill the patient straight away.

We need a total reset. Be that from war, famine, Islamic conquest (possible), or in the best possible (least likely) case Western Men to rise up en masse.

The most frustrating part of our dilemma is this- if even half of Western Men were to rise against this, it would end, quite literally within one week. Why?

Who do you think keeps the food delivered to stores? The electricity on? The fuel to deliver the food and keep the lights on? The ‘invisible’ Western Man.

You would fucking -marvel- at how fast hungry and cold people pay attention to you. Get my point? But we seem to lack that spark to start the fire for whatever reason.

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“We need a total reset. Be that from war, famine, Islamic conquest (possible), or in the best possible (least likely) case Western Men to rise up en masse.”

OK, so why not lead the charge, armchair warrior? Be the spark. Channel your inner St. Breivik.

“Who do you think keeps the food delivered to stores? The electricity on? The fuel to deliver the food and keep the lights on?”

The “white men” who would oppose this so-called “total reset”.

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LOL. So this is your comment on InfoWars –> “You are not going to do anything. Keyboard warriors never do. They puff out their chest, polish their chrome barrel, and then go grab some doritos and beer. Stop talking… it is a bad look.”

Follow your own advice!

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One can observe a problem, and not want to be the first nigga to catch a bullet you spergy gamma. Hence the “en masse” part. You either move as a collective or you do not move. Reading comprehension, it’s what’s for breakfast!

Take your tired shit back to Vox Day / Unz Review, where I see you poisoning the comments section there. I don’t remember which because wanna be intellectual windbags ain’t my thing.

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“One can observe a problem, and not want to be the first nigga to catch a bullet you spergy gamma.”

That’s called a chickenshit.

“You either move as a collective or you do not move.”

No, you move as an individual, then find like-minded people, even if it is a couple of dudes, and then work like hell to initiate change.

Again, follow your own advice.

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Seems a dangerous precipice. Things could go south in a big hurry towards tyranny, despotism, and mass murder. I think if men just stopped taking so much crap, you’d see a quick change in society too. Too many are ruled though by their pecker, and they’ll grovel and scrape and hold up boom boxes with stupid songs (John Cussack), etc, etc.. If more men can be educated to be men, that would create wonders. There are already swaths of videos and news casts talking about how more and more men are eschewing marriage. If men simply refuse to comply with traditional expectations of women, the freak out on their part will be nearly as satisfying as when they finally capitulate.

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‘Invisible western MAN”

That’s obvious! If it is west; it’s western, if it is Asia; it’s Asian, if it is africa; it’s african. What matters here is; it’s the MAN/MEN.

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Hey Roosh, why are you idealizing marriage? Are you sure marriage is the answer or is it because you’re tired of meeting women & having sex with them? Wouldn’t you have to try marriage & parenthood to talk from experience?

I don’t know, but from my experience (and for now), I don’t care about saving the family as a social institution. There are always rooten in some part.

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“I don’t care about saving the family as a social institution.”

And how do you think who were born and raised, Cochise? Why don’t you say this exact statement to your own parents, or your siblings or friends who have children, and see how they react? Idiot…

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I’m not talking in past sense, so I don’t know what have to do with anything the fact that I was raised in a family. Also, I’m respecting other people here and not bashing them.

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This meme would have been far more effective if the gloved hand in the last shot was a fist instead of that weird finger snap. I get the message but the delivery is poor, just FYI.

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On a purely theoretical level, I understand your point and I can agree with you.
But is this what you want, you, Roosh, the author of “Bang” ?
Do you really want to live in a society with this level of control on people and on their personal and sexual life ?

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The issue is that even if this societal controlled is maintained, the impulses and drives are still there. You don’t change female nature as much as monitor it.

For the average man, it’s better to live in a society of control so that he doesn’t need to educate himself about the true nature of women and then learn game to achieve basic relationships. For the hyper aware man, knowledge is enough for him to navigate the world, regardless of how bad society may be.

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Ok… Looks like sometimes I get confused whether you speak for yourself or for the average man smile

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I don’t agree. Once controlled society, that we used to be, now turns into garbage. Men must know everything to be simply immune to woman’s charm and never give up controll ever again. If we would knew female nature from the beginning of our lives, we won’t be so dissapointed also. We must know that there is nothing such as ideal woman, different than other females, more or less they are all the same.

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I’m Superchad, but even I prefer to live in a such controlled society, than in some Bordellostan! I’m disgusted by scale of women cheating.

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so true been saying it for years, you get these guys in our sphere that seems to want to mix the 2. Theyll call for traditionalism in the west but once they go east they demand the locals westernize especially those in the middle east. They dont want tradional women per say they just want to get good women easy but you got to bring it but whats the point of her doing it if shes with a westerner.

“If you get up and leave the West for a traditional country, but are still able to obtain pre-marital sex, you are not in a traditional country. It just may seem traditional upon leveraging your passport, money, and good looks for a girl who sees you as the best she’s ever had. She dedicates herself to you not necessarily because of tradition, but because she doesn’t want to lose you in a local dating market where you’re a perfect ten out of ten. That may soon change when a new the globohomos in Silicon Valley invent a new app that delivers handsome Chads right to her mud shack within an hour or less. Until then, you’re taking advantage not of traditionalism but arbitrage, a practice that will bear less fruit as the world becomes more globalized and connected.”

that paragraph is golden….My dads work is filled with dudes that got divorced rape hard by their pinoy wives(honestly most easy going women around), even the young fit white chad there got wrecked when she took his 3 kids.(dude can fight and lost his virginity at 12).

being white westerner is more a curse to get hustled then a benefit as one hypes it up.
My buddy just got married to a good girl out in the praries, former gymnast, holds trad values which I notice is more common when you go inland away from major cities.
No green card of status chasing an options limited to being rural and not living in a corupt country where screwing someone over is ok.

marry third world youll get it

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Does the “slut’s” Path to Redemption pass through Gor? That is a literary example of what some have called “White Shari’a.”

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You can’t change liberal America into traditional America, but you can travel in certain circles of traditional and/or religious people. Not everyone is a slut. Even according to statistics, less kids are having sex, thus less teenage pregnancies. The trend is lower casual sex and lower marriages. Still, feminists are repulsive regardless if they are virgins. It’s a mess in the dating world. Proceed cautiously.

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“The only solution I see to saving marriage is to ban pre-marital sex by law. There will surely be law-breakers, such as myself, but if they’re punished with a loss of citizenship privileges or even jail time, there would be such a rush for people to marry at a young age that many of our societal problems would evaporate overnight.”

It wouldn’t solve anything because it doesn’t address the core issue of serial unhappiness. People will get married only to open up the marriage, either at both parties will or not. The disposable nature of society needs to be addressed first.

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Islam is winning by numbers

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1)Marrying early and severely sanctioning premarital sex is part of the solution.

2) But you have to take care of the back end too. Divorce has to be illegal except in the case of adultery or serious physical abuse.

Otherwise the potential cost to men of marrying is really too high and potentially destructive to make the gamble worthwhile.

Basically we need to go back to 1950s America in terms of the norms for marrying and sexual mores. That encompasses a few corollaries of 1) and 2) that are necessary for marriage- and for society – to work.

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Maybe you should try going to church. Lots of cute single girls at mass in my wife’s country, presumably many of them virgins. I know, triggered Christ haters, not all the girls at church are chaste, but my wife was when I met her. She can’t be the only one.

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Incidentally anyone notice that NYC grifter Anna Delvey is a hard 4? Socialites and trust find hipsters in NYC were giving her tons of dough no questions asked! WTH! She looks like a busted 13 year old and probably had an attitude to match I don’t get it. She’d get a burrito out of me if I were feeling generous

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Great article. Honest, wise, raw.

There is no such thing as “traditional” girl outside of an extended family (see: tribe, communtity, nation) that she KNOWS will make her feel shame and suffer, very publicly, if she whores herself around and gives into her urges for sex and sexual power over men.

There is no such thing as a sustainable and healthy sexual marketplace without men willing to enforce such strictness on every girl and woman he sees as if they are his own daughters, out of Love, for everyone present and future who will suffer as society falls apart so women can get their rocks off. Yes, let’s use masculine terms for what women are doing today, because what they are doing is not feminine at all, it is beastly, dark, aggressive, and Fallen.

Best article you have written in awhile.

Game IS NOT the answer. Only Holy Orthodoxy is.

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Modern feminist women have picked the top 20% for the grand “matriarchal society”. Rest of the men have to find whatever way to get by.

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westernizing the world lil by lil

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Final paragraph, the word “but” should be replaced with “be” I believe…

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Fixed!

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I stole this from here: orgyofthewill.net

The “manosphere” (=fagotcube) blames women for women’s degeneration, whereas they should be blaming themselves. It is clear that women are degenerating because men have grown too weak to control them, and the number one symptom of weakness is to blame others for an unwanted state of things — as the “manosphere” rabble is blaming women themselves, or “society”, or the “beta males” — which they themselves are (in fact they are gammas, if not indeed omegas; beta males were the 300 Spartans), so they are blaming themselves, in an indirect way, but they are just too dumb to realize it.

It is undeniable that women are degenerating, but so is everyone, so why would anyone expect women to somehow escape that fate? In fact, given that they are the weaker sex, it would make much more sense to expect them to degenerate more and faster than men, and to not even have a clue that they are degenerating (as opposed to quite a few men, who do); and that’s precisely what we are seeing.
More importantly, as regards theory, it is ridiculous to blame women’s degeneration on women themselves, as the “manosphere” (=fagotcube) rabble has been doing. We’ve already been over this: you don’t blame a dog for getting run over by a car: you blame his stupid owner for allowing it to run around the streets without a leash. And in the case of women, the owner of course is (or rather was) men.
So you ask me why women are degenerating? Because men began degenerating long before the women. Who gave them the vote? Who made divorce possible? Who allowed them to open bank accounts and own property and study at university, etc. etc. etc.?
It’s not that women grew stronger and won their independence, as the American colonists won it from the British. There was never an armed female insurrection any more than there was a black one (or a homosexual one, or a cripple one, and so on): men simply gave these weak, inferior groups their freedom because they’d grown too soft to continue enforcing the harsh practices that are required to keep a subjected population in check.
“And why did men grow softer?”
Oh, that’s a long story, my friend — a very long and fascinating and above all complex story, and its name is “civilization”.

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“The “manosphere” (=fagotcube) blames women for women’s degeneration, whereas they should be blaming themselves.”

Exactly, because they are hypocritical. They desire virgins, but get pissed out when they don’t put out. They can’t control their urges, so they blame women when they say no, then use whatever tactic required to bed them, then get pissed off when women relent.

“It is clear that women are degenerating because men have grown too weak to control them…”

Which is absolutely against liberty. People control their own conduct, not others. So, hotshot, how do YOU “control” your woman? Give specific examples.

“the “beta males” — which they themselves are (in fact they are gammas, if not indeed omegas; beta males were the 300 Spartans)”

First, the social-sexual hierarchy is completely arbitrary. Second, “beta males” are the true “alphas”. Third, where do YOU see yourself? Why?

“So you ask me why women are degenerating? Because men began degenerating long before the women. Who gave them the vote? Who made divorce possible? Who allowed them to open bank accounts and own property and study at university, etc. etc. etc.?”

Strong men gave women these liberties.

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The phrase “ignorance is bliss” had to be first applied to relationships. You’re not supposed to know too much about the opposite sex, because it ruins your ability to be satisfied in a relationship.

Not only that, our gynocentric society also indoctrinates men to seek women’s approval as if a man’s self-worth hinges upon his willingness and ability to please women. ‘Real men do ABC real men do XYZ’ is ubiquitous, but one would be hard-pressed to find ‘real women do ABC real XYZ’.

Society tells men to shave, work out, get a high-paying job, a large house, be dashing and dress well, be sensitive, not to antagonize or argue, be great in bed and have an intriguing personality, and last but not least, HAVE LOW STANDARDS.

Women are taught that they are beautiful the way they are, they shouldn’t shave if they don’t want to, they don’t have to wear make up or dress well, or adhere to beauty standards, they don’t have to be virgins or decent, and that they deserve only the best man to be with them no matter how ugly or gross or bland their personality is.

The more I know about female nature, and the more that knowledge is confirmed with experience, the less likely I can ever see one woman as my ideal.

Precisely why left-wing gynocentrists (feminists) and right-wing gynocentrists (conservatists) hate MRAs, PUAs and MGTOWs . By exposing and disseminating female nature into broad daylight , the Manospherians demistify and depedestalize women which in turn undermine gynocentrism.

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Marriage system failed thanks to its own shortcomings. Living a boring life with ungrateful people around me isnt what would inspire me to be productive. If I ever felt betrayed by my wife or children in a society without divorce, I’d just stop working Fight Club-style, destroying my reputation on purpose. Then let them feed me for the rest of my life. Don’t understimate the lenght people go to undermine control when you talk about divorce. You may create such a society where you’d wish divorce was your problem.

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No, it’s not the institution of marriage that has failed, but it is its participants.

“If I ever felt betrayed by my wife or children in a society without divorce, I’d just stop working Fight Club-style, destroying my reputation on purpose. Then let them feed me for the rest of my life.”

You wouldn’t do anything of the sort.

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My God Roosh, you have lost the entire meaning of sex and marriage: Children.
The purpose of your desire to have sex is to create offspring, the reason you get attached to a woman is because you potentially could impregnate her and you need to make sure she stays around so she can raise your children. The reason you get jealous is you don’t want someone else to impregnate her. The reason you pair bond (you have likely ruined this ability) is to raise healthy children in a happy family. By disconnecting the purpose of sex with your activity, you and other men are essentially ruining the women. You use women for sex, they get hurt, they become cold and lose their ability to pair bond, then you get with women that have had this happen and you wonder why there aren’t any good women….
The more you disconnect sex from making babies, the less I have faith in you teaching men anything valuable.

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I’d agree with most of this. As a life-long devout Mormon, my husband and I married as virgins in our early twenties; twelve years of marriage and three sons going strong…and I’d agree that it is easier to resist temptation simply by the fact that we haven’t sampled other goods. Not that life or relationships are ‘easy’ – especially after marriage, time and effort is required to keep the desire and loving feelings flowing – but not having ghosts in the bedroom has greatly influenced how we have learned to relate to one another in bed.

And as far as culture goes, I’ve been reading Return of Kings and other manosphere websites for years. There’s just not much out there in terms of conservative media. Much of what is said resonates (genders are different, women should be mothers, men should be the leaders, etc) and then again there are many opinions that are completely foreign. It’s strange. The vast majority of men and women I know are conservative, traditional, religious. My grandparents just celebrated their 76th anniversary, with five children, fifty three grandchildren and fifty six great grandchildren. That is more common than not here in Mormon saturated rural Utah.

Of course, we still have a ton of issues like many other Christian communities nowadays (sluts getting wifed up by ‘virtuous’ beta boys, premarital sex on the sly that is sternly shamed, insular policies that inhibit traditional voices speaking out on topics that liberals broadcast loud and clear) but on the whole I am grateful to have been raised religious by two traditional parents with old fashioned values.

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If I could ever suspend my disbelief of manmade religions, Mormonism would be the one I would choose. Your culture is by far the best. Ever Mormon I met was an impressive human being.

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Clearly Mormon Mom is a paid stooge.

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Well, the man buns and fake lumberjack beards have to go for sure.

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Roosh needs a bowl full of Red Pills. This podcast is so illuminating. I now understand WHY my ex-wife became such a cunt toward me – while remaining delightful toward everyone else. This explains it in all it’s fucked up glory.

Why All Marriages are Doomed & Why Your Wife gives Her Best Sex to the Guy She Cheats With https://youtu.be/_0rczdj_ngM

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“I now understand WHY my ex-wife became such a cunt toward me – while remaining delightful toward everyone else.”

Because it didn’t work out for a number of reasons. Take ownership for your own mistakes. Move on with your life, rather than be bitter.

“The women puts on a front, and that’s why men should avoid marriage”. A false premise.

“When women reaches her peak, she wants strange dick”. Another false premise.

The podcast is filled with such nonsense.

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Roosh, I am in a similar boat as you. I’ve had 300+ women. What I think is, if we want a family, just make a decision. Once you meet a woman that you find relatively compatible with your “ideal”, marry her and see how it goes. Have a few kids. No, she won’t be perfect, but we can learn to live with it. Marriage in a non-Western feminized state does not have to be a death sentence. You can divorce in 10-20 years if you want, and you’ve had your family life and might be motivated to go out and find poon again. I think the problem is overthinking and overplanning. You’re never going to find that perfect person, and you’re never going to be ready to start that business. Just do it, and see how it goes.

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“Roosh, I am in a similar boat as you. I’ve had 300+ women.”

On the Internet, it really is easy to make such boasts. And only a gamma would give that high of a number.

Marriage in a non-Western feminized state does not have to be a death sentence.”

False premise much?

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“that delivers handsome Chads right to her mud shack ”
Roosh you had me rolling with this one man.

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There is so many things wrong with marriages these day. Men are forgetting their masculinty, women their feminity, women are becoming more controlling and critical, more manly. Also all this talk about freedom, men and women are still acting like teenagers while in relationships and cheating because they go clubbing, etc. If you are married you have nothing to do in a club man or women. I have seen a lot of people married (mostly men and some women) still going clubbing in their late 30s and even in their 40s, never with their significant other, always with some younger chick or dude on the side.

I am so happy I found the most loving and caring man, I want to do everything for him and never let him down. We got married when I was 20 and he was 37. The year after we had a son. I love how we are together. Reading red pill sites definitely help me, I think I am even more into reading these red pill things than my man is. But one thing i am worried about is because my man before me used to date younger and being a player. I am scared he is gonna loose something for me when I am gettig older and no longer in my 20s and start looking in other eays. It makes me anxious because I love him so much and I can’t bear that though, i am so scared to loose what we have.

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“There is always Islam, but the extremists in their lot make life so difficult for everyone….” No kidding. Most specifically, those frustrated young men who can’t afford or otherwise aren’t ready for marriage, and can’t get sex without marriage, are easily recruited into terrorism.

Nah. We don’t want THAT system here.

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well i

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Seriously, this post coming from the dude who posts “How to get laid” videos on youtube? Pick a lane, dumbass.