Player Or Poseur?

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Virginia Senator Jim Webb and his wife

If you saw this man on the street you would probably be revolted by his gigantic forehead and oompa-loompa appearance. It would be safe to say that any woman with him, especially Asian, is a mail-order bride. But Jim has served in the military where he has killed men with his own bare hands. (Women love men who are not scared of other men.) He’s also served in powerful positions, displaying a level of ambition that women over 30 get completely wet over. But most importantly, he has misogynistic tendencies. No matter what a woman says, she loves a man — at least subconsciously — who is ready to put her in her place. This man is definitely a player.

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okay, point taken.

but i think women also respect men that can handle their emotions rather than blow up in fits of rage like children. i think his lack of self control lowers his overall point score a bit. once a woman goes from fearing the player’s tantrum to landing him and living with his predictable nature, she regards the man as less of a player and more of a child. power shift.

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Agree with new p…there is a difference between “putting someone in their place” and degrading someone to the point that they end up cheating or leaving. No one wants a man like that…only insecure, pathetic women. Which sadly, most of these guys end up with.

The women that date misognistic assholes like this schmo may look pretty on paper but inside they are a nutty as can be. Good luck with that.

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This is no more than the common attitude of too many military lifers and professional sports players that remain in a junior high school locker room mentality and attitude. Just a big boys club.

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Wow KassyK has major issues

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Anonymous–Major issues are for people that remain anonymous. 🙂

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You should send the link to this post to that gasbag, George F. Will. His column in today’s WaPo calls Webb a “pompous poseur.”

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why are we talking about Webb and his *supposedly* sexist attitude? are we not looking in the other direction from congressman Foley? ’nuff said

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I’ve always been skeptical of macho posturing, especially among Beltway defense-establishment types. Mysogyny tends to go along with it. How many defense geeks have we all known (living in the DC area) who engage in female-bashing along with their buddies during male-bonding activities (poker games, paintball outings, or whatever right-leaning DC wonks are doing these days…) That said, I have to respect Jim Webb as a true stand-up guy for things like this:

http://thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/UndertheDome/112906.html

I hope he does slug Dumbya.

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maybe she’s turned on by his oompaloompa-ness! think of the sexual possibilities: chocolate rivers, never-ending gobstoppers, edible EVERYTHING…. do you have his contact info?

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Ha ha ha ha ha ha he called some chick “thunder thighs” ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

PLAYER!

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The Virginia Senate election wasn’t about the Sexist vs the Racist. It was about Stay-the-Course vs Get-the-Hell-Out.

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wome love a man who doesn’t let them act like princesses. but they love subtly dominating the relationship in sly ways. it’s way more fun. any man who is too easy for a lady to get and to get something from is worthless

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I def see the Oompa Loompa resemblance, but actually I think he looks a lot like a middle-aged Doogie Howser!

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A – fucking – men.

in fact, as cute as his petite wife is, webb could probably do even better, if he already isn’t.

remember, women flocked to the polls to elect a rapist to the presidency.
twice.

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The test: would you hit the bars with this guy? I would pick up chicks with this guy and he’s as old as my dad. Player. And I voted for Allen.

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Those comments are from 1979. Most of us were still shitting our pants 27 years ago, but no one’s holding that against us today.

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Man that chick is a hot ass MILF dude. She can get it…

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RCR is on the right track. Put it into perspective: at that time, the service academies were forced to open their doors to women, and a few women finally got in. Of course they would, by and large, be harassed because the men didn’t think they belonged there. Over the last three decades – DECADES, people – that has changed. Chances are, Jim Webb’s opinion has changed too, after serving with women who have exceeded his expectations and women in the service have become a normal occurrence.

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“Chances are, Jim Webb’s opinion has changed too”

probably not. what changed was his wisdom to know when not to speak his mind.

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Speaking of Asian women with white men, what is it with Asian women in the DC area? What’s with their attitudes?

First, let me qualify this by saying that I’m anything BUT an “Asiaphile”. I am a white male who is not particularly attracted to Asian women, and (like Roosh, I think), find white, Latina, and even black women generally more attractive than Asian women. That’s not to say I can’t and don’t occasionally find an Asian girl cute, but in general they don’t do much for me. That said, I have nothing against Asian cultures, in fact, in many way I admire it. And I usually find Asian men rational, fair, and friendly enough.

It’s just that while living in the DC area, I found the young Asian women there to be particularly arrogant, aloof, standoffish, and downright unfriendly. I also noticed a kind of syndrome where young Asian women kind of try to mimic the attitudes they see in white women.

I also noticed A LOT of Asian chicks dating white guys in the DC area. Far more than in any other part of the US I’ve lived in or visited.

I also got the impression that most or all of these white guys were kind of “second string” guys, “Beta” males, and geeks, who couldn’t score with white women, so they went after Asian women as kind of “the next best thing”.

I’ve mentioned this phenomenon before on DCB. Go ahead and call me a racist bigot — I’m nothing of the kind (in fact, while living in suburban VA, I had a gorgeous black girlfriend for a while.) I’m just observing what I believe is a socioculutral phenomenon, driven by WHITE WOMEN who are inordinately picky and have ridiculously high standards (way above their actual worth, in terms of looks or personality), and make themselves unavailable to all but the most prime catches — the best looking or most loaded white males.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, in the DC area you have the best-looking or best-connected 15-20% of the guys having free reigns over 100% of the women (basically any woman they want, unattached or attached), while the remaining 80-85% of guys struggled to attract even the plainest girls, got their girlfriends yanked out from under them on a regular basis by one of these white uberstuds, and had to “date down” which in this case (for many — not for me) meant dating Asians.

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Joe T.

The answer is simple and at all not rooted in some complex social or race oriented explaination.

They simply percieve you as being European and do not want their uteruses painfully poked.

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joe t, re: the asian woman/white man phenomenon, check this out:

http://www.isteve.com/IsLoveColorblind.htm

not exactly PC, but then by today’s standards the field of what is acceptable discourse is rapidly shrinking in proportion to the feigned indignation of cultural elites with a moral superiority complex.
the good news is the beast always wails the loudest before it succumbs to its death throes.

“[plain white women] make themselves unavailable to all but the most prime catches”

also known as polygamy displaced across time.
but keep in mind that the alpha males will only commit in full to the choicest grade A pussy.

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Roissy, fascinating article. I think he really nailed it about Marcia Clarke’s mistake in the OJ trial.

But more importantly, it’s interesting how much rage there is among Asian males against WM/AF pairings. Do these Asian males know that, in general, it’s not even the so-called “Alpha” white guys, the white guys who white women consider the best catches (hottest, coolest, hippest or most successful) who are fucking their Asian sisters, but mainly (except in the absolute most competitive dating markets), it’s the inveterate geeks, nebbishes, and losers?

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We understand that these are these are second and third choice Beta-Geeks with a penis size similar to own but that still doesn’t help.

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joe, as if to wholeheartedly support the thesis of that article (and the theories of basic sociobiology) i draw your attention to craigslist w4m. which two kinds of women post more frequently than the other types? and which type of guy are the asian posters most often seeking? the patterns are unmistakeable.

“it’s the inveterate geeks, nebbishes, and losers?”

a few thoughts on this jump to mind.

1. assortative mating. generally speaking, women want men at or somewhat above them in IQ (but not too far above). as asian women on average have ~5 points more IQ than white women the higher IQ geeky white guys may appeal to them more than the white frat boy beer funnelers while still giving them that extra edge of masculinity all women deeply crave.

2. consolation prize. yes, geeky white guys who’ve had years of experience getting nowhere with the cute, thin white women they truly desire and have had to settle for shambling jabba the hutts their whole miserable lives may be turning to asian women where the pickings are easier. i have my doubts about this line of thinking. one, i’ve noticed a non-trivial number of AW/WM pairings where the guy was alpha looking. and, two, i’ve spoken with a lot of WMs, geeky and manly alike, who expressed real lust for asian girls and their exquisite beauty, NATURAL SLENDERNESS and neotonous femininity.

3. asian women may be more commitment-oriented than white women and see in nebbishy WMs a better provider prospect.

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4. Rarely seen is Asian Woman – Nebbish/Yiddish/Hasidic man hookup.

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Re: Asian women.

I am attracted to brown or black hair, small chests (A to C, at the most).

I find Asian women to be more interesting, especially the Westernized ones who grew up in North America, as they have a mix of western but also a sense of their heritage.

Plus, I grew up in a non-american city that is extremely diverse and boasts about 30% Asian, not counting Indians/Pakistanis. The majority of women I meet are through social circles and many of my friends are Chinese.

But when it comes down to it, with women, it doesn’t really matter. I prefer Asians, but like women in general. I’m like Jesus.. I love ’em all.

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Roissy:

She looks like a (slightly chubby) Flip, but check out this guy’s Asian woman: http://www.myspace.com/wwtdd/

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errr.. this link works: http://www.myspace.com/wwtdd

(myspace doesn’t like the “slash” at the end.. ie. wwtdd/)

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point being he doesn’t look too beta to me.

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Roissy – agreed. And the most frequent types of posters on Craigslist W4M? Asian and E. European?? Or could that be ghettoey BW looking for upscale WM?

Anonymous, you said:

4. Rarely seen is Asian Woman – Nebbish/Yiddish/Hasidic man hookup.

I’ve actually seen this, more than once.

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“Asian and E. European??”

black women and fat women.
the black women span the spectrum from fat to ghetto to classy professional. they usually prefer brothers but will occasionally branch out to WMs (VERY rarely asian males). as that article put forth, BW are in a bind because a lot of BM are either out of circulation or dating WW and WM and AM don’t seem as eager to date BW as other races.
the fat women… well, no explanation needed for why they haunt CL.

anon, yeah, in my observation the ratio of geek male/AW couples to alpha male/AW couples is 60/40. iow, it’s not simply a case of AW with low sexual market value choosing to hook up with the WM scraps. i know a lot of AM like to claim otherwise, but the AW i see in mixed race couples are usually on the attractive side.

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What’s with the racism? Not every asian woman next to a white guy is assumed to be male order bride. Remember, the Chinese have been here since the 1800s dying on the railroads. Roosh, you’re not even white. Since you’re Persian, do you often get mistaken for a Saudi terrorist? Sounds pretty stupid doesn’t it?

I think you and Michael Richards have a load in common.

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Nguyen, I’m sorry on behalf of all the whites here for being white. May I be stricken by lightning for this indiscretion, and if that doesn’t happen, may I come back in the next life as a non-white person so I can feel the intense suffering that all non-white people all over the world are made to feel for not being white.

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Yes, I am sick. It’s the flu. Cough cough.

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Right on Roissy: “who expressed real lust for asian girls and their exquisite beauty, NATURAL SLENDERNESS and neotonous femininity.”

How many gals have you seen as they get older pack on the maximum density? I have seen Asian women in their forties who still have an ass of a 22 year old co-ed! Submissiveness rocks too. American chicks pack too much attitude.

Anon: You think that dude’s girl is chubby?!?!
Geez, hate to see what you think looks slender. We all have our tastes.

Joe T: The Asian women aren’t stuck up. Many are simply shy. Tough to sarge especially when they are in their groups.

By the way, Webb speaks Vietnamese fluently so that helps him too in attracting Vietnamese women. Too bad my Chinese sucks so bad.

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Nguyen, if language is a marker of race, than Persians are whiter than Jews. (Farci / persian is an indo-european language, as opposed to the African rooted Arabic (and Hebrew).

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to 37 G: I’m starting to wonder if you HAVE a problem. Never mind your racial theory- Nguyen was merely stating that it’s racist to assume that the (Asian) woman is a mail order bride. I’ve lieved in LA & have witnessed racist behaviour of Persians, particularly towards Asians.

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By the way, why is this nonsensical post open- it’s 5 years old

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Joe T. needs to be banned