Player Or Poseur?

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If I was in Brazil at Club Help and saw these two on the dance floor I’d give him a wink and a nod for scoring a sexy prostitute at what I imagine would be a reasonable price, but this was taken in Washington DC.

The guy does not possess any obvious player qualities. In fact, he would be a good example of the anti-player: he’s way out of shape, he has the sleeves of his stale stripped shirt rolled up to reveal what appears to be a calculator watch, and he makes zero attempt to enhance his look with something like creative facial hair. But there is something relaxing about his Chris Farley-like smirk.

The girl is obviously having fun. Judging by the way she is dressed and the care she put into her hair, she wants to continue that fun in the bedroom by engaging in sex. The question is with who. Does she seem like the type of girl that would let any overweight white guy put his meaty paw on her waist and his crotch on her ass? Ultimately, the answer lies with body language.

They’re out on their third date. This man is a player.

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mule
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I guess i need to search ebay now for a calculator watch. I mean geez…who would have known.

Twoste
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gross

T.
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I agree that there’s something about his confident smirk that screams player, his body language is very relaxed and confident. he seems comfortable in his own skin.

But the best part of the photo is the jaw-drop expression on the white guy in the background. Priceless.

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Definite PLAYER.

He’s got a relaxed, big daddy, don’t-give-a-fuck, living-my-life vibe. Probably due to the fact he’s realized that much fun can be had by crossing over to the dark side and leaving the uptight, white DC lawyer chicks to their own devices.

LOL at the Waldo in the background.

Steve Lurkel
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alright! looks like it’s “Goodbye, gym membership” and “Hello, Casio watch and striped shirt” for me!

mike says
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“dark side?”

and check the beak on the chick over his left shoulder…yikes.

LOL @ jaw-dropper

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Yeah he looks like a player to me. I think its funny that people actually care about what type of a watch he is wearing- I never pay attention to that type of stuff.

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From her perspective:

Intelligent: +1 point (Inference; he looks nerdy)
White: +2 points (This does not matter so much to white girls, but to non-white girls it definitely does)
Taller than her: +2 points
Likely richer than her: +2 points
Laid-back and confident attitude: +1 point

Total of 8 points

Not too bad!

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I don’t get why you are comparing him to Chris Farley– it’s like saying you look like Osama Bin Laden…

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good call. player. his body language and her natural, unforced smile in his presence gives it away. i know a couple of guys like this. way out of shape, pasty white dudes who ooze charm and get laid all the time. they are both from the south.

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i wonder how much good body language contributes to being an alpha male. it must be the second most important thing besides personality.

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I stopped reading after “Help” as the mere mention of the place sends me off into daydreams…

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It’s a striped shirt convention in there. Check out the guy in the background, he’s wearing the same shirt.

I got a feeling that he was a pimp in high school and therefore let that confidence spill over into his life moving forward.

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She’d better like doing it on top, otherwise she’s likely to be squashed flatter than a pancake.

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how do you know they’re not just friends, in which case he obvious thinks shes hot but she doesnt think of him that way

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Ava,

I dunno, her ass is on his crotch, she’s gladly posing with him and doesn’t seem to mind his friendly hands. Throw in that it’s their 3rd date and I’d say she’s either into him or just a cruel tease. I’m going with the former.

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That dude in the background is what the guy in the foreground would look like if he dropped 50. But the guy in the background is not grinding it on the dancefloor like the guy in the foreground.

There can only be two explanations for this:

1. The foreground guy is extremely funny.
2. Or, extremely wealthy.

Word.

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I like his striped shirt.

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What I see.. 2 options

1. This chick is ethiopian. She’s looking for a status symbol to bring back around mom and dad: “Rich, educated white dude”. He’s smirking because deep down he knows physically that he doesn’t belong but his cash flow/trips over compensate for everything else.

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2. She’s a sista/afro-latina who’s pissed off looking for a good man who’s non threatening romantically, financially, or mentally.

I’m gonna go with 2…

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He’s got money….period. DC chicks are simple like that…

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damn dudes, repeat after me….

Don’t hate, congratulate.

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suicide_blond
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i agree she looks Ethiopian …ive been to a few of those parties..and EVERYBODYS ass and crotch are touching…i think i even have a pic of me and that girl kisssing somewhere… xoxo

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Ok the girl is probably Brazillian, he banged her already, and he was on his way to repeat that night. Props to him cause she probably gives good head and never gets enough sex….wait I am generalizing….

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In a world of striped-shirt nerds, the striped-shirt nerd with long sideburns is king. Player. Note that guys who pull off “physically large” without getting into “giant fatass” rarely have trouble keeping girls around.

That being said, the girl’s awful subpar for a PvP post. If it wasn’t for her baring her belly in a DC bar I don’t think this pic would have gotten 5 seconds of attention.

That’s me in the background. I was trying to flash the Shocker to the camera but was a bit too slow.

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but how could any girl be into that? he must have a lot of money…i see no other possibilities

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Quote ..””I don’t get why you are comparing him to Chris Farley– it’s like saying you look like Osama Bin Laden…””

LOL ! Well said.

People , people …. things are not always as they appear on the surface.

There could be ANY number of possible explanations for the scenario in that picture.

Anyway … she isn’t THAT hot.

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The guy is on the chubby side, but otherwise not THAT bad looking. He’s dressed well, clean, and perhaps has a bit of money. I’m not sure why people are disqualifying him solely on looks (especially since the girl, while very attractive, isn’t supermodel hot).

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This doesn’t surprise me at all. This guy though is more than chubby, he is obese, although not morbidly. Fat tall am are more popular than short men among women. Women love thin (not too thin)tall men, but a lot prefer a fat tall man over a short one. Women are also somewhat less visual than men. Moderately fat tall man with confidence can be very succesful among women.

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This doesn’t surprise me at all. This guy though is more than chubby, he is obese, although not morbidly. Fat tall am are more popular than short men among women. Women love thin (not too thin)tall men, but a lot prefer a fat tall man over a short one. Women are also somewhat less visual than men. Moderately fat tall man with confidence can be very succesful among women. The girls looks rather nice.

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How the hell can any of you tell he is “obese”? he has somewhat of a heavy face, but other than that how can you even tell from this picture?

What a joke…

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How does Roosh know this couple are on their third date? Is that a copy of Bang in the background?

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“How the hell can any of you tell he is “obese”? he has somewhat of a heavy face, but other than that how can you even tell from this picture?

What a joke…”
No offense man, but the picture shows all of his upper Torso. This guy is more than overweight, clearly obsese, although not morbidly. He has a double chin and under his short isn’t air, you know.

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It’s clearly a lousy photo, the guy’s standing at a weird angle. Going only on the photo, I would say this girl is totally busted, but I imagine in person she looks a little better.

Whatever– chances are you are 5′ 10″ pipsqueak who buys jeans at baby gap so I guess sure- by your standards he’s “obese”.

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Hey Dude, don’t be offended. But I can clearly see a double chin, and compare his torso to the woman’s Torso. This guy has probably an BMI of aroun 34.

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So is “The Dude” being pissy because that’s a picture of him?

I think Gannon is pretty on target.

From Wikipedia:

US/Customary: BMI = lb * 703 / in2
Where lb is the subject’s weight in pounds and in is the subject’s height in inches.
The most commonly used definitions, established by the WHO in 1997 and published in 2000, provide the following values:[6]
A BMI less than 18.5 is underweight
A BMI of 18.5–24.9 is normal weight
A BMI of 25.0–29.9 is overweight
A BMI of 30.0–39.9 is obese
A BMI of 40.0 or higher is severely (or morbidly) obese
A BMI of 35.0 or higher in the presence of at least one other significant comorbidity is also classified by some bodies as morbid obesity.[7][8]
In

So working backwards, let’s assume that The Dude is the guy and since he considers 5’10” to be a pipsqueak, let’s assume he is 6 feet tall. That makes him 72″.

72″x 72″ x 40 BMI/ 703 = 295 lbs would make him morbidly obese

72″ x 72″ x 30 BMI/ 703 = 221 lbs would make him obese

Based on the pudgy fingers, fat wrist, double chin, lack of jawline and the fact that he is suffering from “Do, Be” syndrome, I’m guessing he weighs in around 280. That would put The Dude at about a 38 BMI.

Just 15 more Whopper Biggie Meals and he could fit in the morbidly obese category. Unless he has a comorbidity factor, then he’s already there.

Keep in mind, most athletes (which he is not) don’t really fit into these BMI guidelines. I’m a former gymnast and currently at 17.9 % body fat. I am not, however, underweight.

By the same token, a body builder with much lower body fat % then me, could show up in the obese category, when they are not.

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the Dude must be the guy in the picture.
He is part of the dc game community and
must know Roosh. He went from chump to champ
by reading Bang. He did not work on his physical
appearance because his money and self confidence
compensate nicely for being a little less physically
defined than other players.

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Either dude has jack, or she’s a fool for his butt chin.

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I live in Boston and I have never met Roosh in my life. I’m also definitely not in the picture- I’ve been in a long term relationship for over three years. I’d hardly call myself a player.

Whatever– you guys can think whatever you want. You sound like women to me obsessing over how fat some guy is. The guy’s not in amazing shape, but he’s at a weird angle. I guess as an ex-jock weightlifter, maybe I am used to hanging out with more guys who aren’t 0% bmi asian ballet dancers. I guess I’ll start eating rice cakes….

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I am appalled how you all sound like a bunch of gay-ass catty women obsessing over how some slightly chubby guy is “obese” WTF happened to the guys who read this blog????? She should be talking about whether this chick has a nice ass! Not ragging on another dude for having a “but chin”!!!!!

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BTW– you think that guy weighs 280 lbs? You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Watch an episode of biggest loser or something because your numbers are being pulled out of fantasy land. Tom Brady weighs 225 boss, this guy is not that tall and if he weighted 280 he’d barely have a neck let alone a double chin.

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This is a friend of mine. I can assure you that he is not a player nor is he overweight. This is an odd angle and not as flattering as it could be but geez! Its not that bad. I think he a very attractive guy. I can tell you that the watch is also not actually a calculator so if you guys have already started ebaying you should stop. This is ridiculous that people have the time to sit here and ridicule someone you dont know. makes me curious about the blogosphere. either way….pathetic…..congrats.

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Um, I also know this person. He’s a really nice guy, who is quite cute in person and is a ton of fun to hang out with. So, whatever. This is all very silly, and I get that it’s supposed to be random but, it’s ridiculous. Really. Grow up.

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ok so the fat guy in the picture got a whole bunch of his friends to post to the board and falsely validate his non-fatness and coolness in the real world. nice work man……weak

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Woman here who only recently found out about game and just spend a few hours reading PUA sites. Despite some of the very provocative stuff I’ve read, especially misogynistic, this was the only thing that’s made me want to comment. The guy looks lovely. He looks like he’d be a great guy and good fun. Actually my first impressions on the pic was that he was in a much higher league than the girl (she has sexy clothing on but that’s about it?)

He does look a bit overweight but I’m from the UK so it’s all relative! Anyway, you could always get him to work it off smile

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This thread is hilarious. Bring it back Roosh.