A Replacement For The 1-10 Scale

My attempts to teach others to objectively use the 1-10 scale to describe female attractivness has failed. For guys outside of my crew, the scale means absolutely nothing and doesn’t do what it was supposed to do: standardize beauty. The problem is that guys give every girl a 7 or 8 when that’s far from the case.

So it’s time to come up with a more general scale that will work anywhere at a slight cost of precision. Let’s put all women into the following five categories:

1. Beast. These are the girls that reduce your confidence after sex, not increase it. You wake up the next day and wonder, “What was I thinking?” This happened to me once a couple years ago when I experienced such morning shame that I had to escape from the girl’s house after she hopped into the shower. I fenced a wall of her gated community and grabbed a bus because I couldn’t afford a cab.

2. Okay. A girl you wouldn’t introduce to your friends, but is bangable. She probably has about 10 extra pounds, some mild acne, and a sense of style that makes my lumberjerk shirts look awesome. You want to put girls like this is the fuck-buddy bin. Side note: It’s strange that girls who are fat or ugly have bad style, even though style is something easily changeable that could drastically improve appearance. A fattie should never, ever step out of the house with anything less than three-inch heels.

3. Cute. This is your classic 7. A girl who is attractive and extremely bangagle, and your friends wouldn’t hesitate to say “I’d hit.” On some nights when she does creative shit with her makeup she can be extremely attractive. She will also look better during short vacations to Las Vegas or the Carribean because she starved herself the week prior to get ready.

4. Real Cute. Reaction from your player friends will be “Damn, she’s cute” or “Oooh she’s real nice.” Most normal men though would call these girls hot. I would only get into a longish term relationship with a girl in this category or higher, because with a merely Cute girl I’d be disturbed with thoughts knowing I could definitely do better.

5. Hot as balls. To get a girl here you will need a little bit more than just game, perhaps status or fame with a healthy dose of luck. If a friend sees you with her his comments may enter the haterade realm of “How much are you paying to hang out with her?!” or “How the fuck did you get her?” The irony of the Hot As Balls girl is that you often see her with some overweight, balding, unkempt, or otherwise extremely hairy man. Life plays cruel jokes on us all.

Let’s put this system in action with a couple examples…

“Yeah last night I woke up next to this beast and remembered that I didn’t use a condom. Should I get tested?”

“I’m tired of banging okay girls. Should I bang prostitutes on the side to improve my approach game?”

“I approached this hot as balls girl and she told me that she wouldn’t have sex with me if I was the last guy on earth. Then she threw her drink on me. What’s a good line that I could have responded with?”

And so on.

So there you have it. The 1-10 scale, unfortunately, has failed. If Virgle Kent or Roissy tells me they went out with an 8 I’ll know exactly what we’re working with, but any other guy and the 8 will probably not be an 8. She’d just be okay.

If this scale falls then I have another one waiting in the wings. It’s called “Pic or shut the fuck up.”

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Valiant though the effort is, guys will still misuse this scale too. The only (imperfect) solution is the age old one for trusting people’s opinions – spend time getting to know them, see examples and evidence, then calibrate their scale to yours.

Seeing as that will rarely work on teh interwebs, I’d use your back-up scale as the default.

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This brings up the question of how low should you go? I have known guys who got a lot of sex who would fuck absolutely anything. On the other hand I have been in situations I was so disgusted I couldn’t complete the act.

Reasons for taking quantity over quality, which might mean one versus nothing, could be first fuck, youthful inexperience in general, long dry spell, or advanced age virginhood. My judgment is if you need it you can’t be picky, but you need to add some margin on the bottom end because she may easily be more disgusting with her clothes off. Busting your nut in whatever vagina you can is good but not at the cost of a disturbing memory.

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This is a great scale. It’s simple. No longer do we need to worry if a 7.5 is hot enough because she’s not an 8. If she’s real cute, it’s all good. So no more 10 point scale, which was a de facto 20 point scale.

I’m currently operating under the “yeah i’d hit” scale. Works even better.

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‘If Virgle Kent or Roissy tells me they went out with an 8 I’ll know exactly what we’re working with,’ …

….this wouldn’t be the same Roissy that posted a mother/daughter picture on his site and claimed the mother was the better looking of the two? Or was that a joke? I see that the post has recently disappeared. If it wasn’t a joke, I’d certainly question Roissy’s judgement as to what an 8 was..

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Yeah, that’s a pretty good scale. Just from the fact it swaps numbers for words and reduces 10 types into 5 it kinda makes it more human and realistic. In field I actually use the “0” or “1” scale, but whatever, it’s just cuz I don’t give a shit about telling it to my friends later.

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I’ve always operated using an “intoxication level – sex act” scale, where you describe how drunk you’d have to be to do various things with the girl. Highest rating is usually “i’d eat her ass sober” and lowest would be “wouldn’t get head if i was drunk”.

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1-10 varies by locale

an 8 in LA is a 19 in DC

so on and so forth

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Roosh, hate to say it, but you kinda stole the 5-star scale from Tucker Max.

http://www.tuckermax.com/archives/entries/the_tucker_max_female_rating_system.phtml

scroll down to see the scale.

Happy writing 😉

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Well said, sir.

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Cute’s are the worst. You’ll meet one with a great personality, and start banging her. She’s attractive, you casually date…

Soon enough, every time you’re out with her, you see tons of hotter girls and get angry at yourself that you’re dating this merely ‘cute’ one. You know she is not the best you can get, or even close to it, and it kills you.

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Right now I can’t get enough of a certain “okay” girl. Normally she’d be way below my standards. But she always wants it in the ass and loves it when I cum on her face.
And some say romance is dead.

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Wonder how many American women percentagewise fit into each category?

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Hotness scales are the equivalent of the BCS rating system for college football. We need a playoff system to determine who is hottest.

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I just use a binary scale… 0 for “no thanks” and 1 for “yeah I’d do her”

Keeps things simple and doesn’t overly inflate a girl’s value even before I get started.

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Online, men love to quibble about exactly how attractive some girl is, which usually amounts to: is she 6 sigmas above the mean or only 5?

In real life, attractive girls are rare, most men have no chance with them, and there’s rarely any disagreement about who they are.

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Wilbur is right.

We all know guys love to pull out the e-standards when judging bitches online.

“Dude, she’s totally ugly. Her elbows are waaay too pointy. You’d have to PAY me to hit that.”

and so on.

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I just think that I’m not a 1.

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Yeah, the few pics roissy posted of himself with girls recently make me question his ability to reocgnize a real 8 as well. Presumably he posted those pics – out of the many he presumably has – because he was confident they would reflect well on him and support his portrayal of himself as a guy who regularly gets super-hot women. At the very least roissy must have felt sure those pics wouldn’t conflict with his public image as a real player, yet those girls were all average at best

Its intersting, I find that guys who put a lot of effort into getting girls often have an incentive to decieve themselves about the quality of girls they are actually getting.

The mind plays strange tricks on us – we often tell ourselves, and even manage to convince ourselves, what we want to hear.

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I agree your scale is better, but people will fudge this too.

Then, we’ll resort to pics. Then people will photoshop them.

Then, we’ll resort to video, then people will alter lighting and angles.

Then, we’ll give up and use a 1-10 scale.

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Go with a reverse rating system:

How many drinks would you need to bang her?

The scale goes from “zero” to “there’s not enough beer in Bavaria…”

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“The mind plays strange tricks on us – we often tell ourselves, and even manage to convince ourselves, what we want to hear.” – Hobart

Couldn’t have put it better.

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1-10 scale is more straightforward, people understand it even if they have no knowledge of game.
I think most people understand what a 6, 7 and up means, if they sometimes inflate the value to feel good with themselves.
The problem is that anything under 5 is unbangable, so even if there is an aesthetic difference, nobody wants to even get to qualify them. A 5 and a 1 in the end are the same scum.
So what we have is a 6-10 scale, and everything else not even discussed.

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I approve of this scale. The simpler the better. Its even more trivial when guys start arguing over decimal points saying shit like, “oh, she’s a 7.3 cause she was a 7.5 but then she says banana in a stupid way so I had do downgrade her.” Dumb. More importantly, guys that ponder such meaningless detail never hit, don’t intend to, or are devoid of the skill to pull. They just want the power that comes from passing judgement.

I start out with a very simple scale myself, unattractive, cute, or attractive. I don’t like using overblown language to describe a girl until I’ve hit or got to know her at which point I might be more liberal with my use of adjectives.

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””””“I approached this hot as balls girl and she told me that she wouldn’t have sex with me if I was the last guy on earth. Then she threw her drink on me. What’s a good line that I could have responded with?””””””’

lol

”””11 Lee
20 hours, 59 minutes ago
Right now I can’t get enough of a certain “okay” girl. Normally she’d be way below my standards. But she always wants it in the ass and loves it when I cum on her face.
And some say romance is dead.
””””””””
some things are destiny. he he he

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A 3 in Russia is usually a 9 in the rest of the world, people just don’t experience real aesthetic beauty in their everyday life. It’s just another example that this shit is extremely local, period. So discussing it on the internet is pointless – you’re basically just only telling your point of view.

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Funny, while I was reading this, I realized I already use a form of this system regularly; my friends and I have what we call “The Area Code” system. It uses three numbers:

The First Number is on a 1-10 scale; it’s for the girl’s face.
The Second Number is on a 1-10 scale, and it ranks the body.
The Third Number is on a 1-5 scale, and it operates much in the same way Roosh’s scale does, but also factors in the story or bragging rights.

For example, an average-looking girl who you picked up using The Apocalypse Opener might be ranked a 6-6-4, because the story of using the AO bumps her up. Likewise, Michele Obama, might be ranked 5-6 in the first two numbers, but her “Area Code” would be a 5-6-5, because the story and bragging rights would be legendary.

By contrast, a smoking hot girl who gives you a pity fuck would only rate a 9-9-2 or 9-9-1, because you had to beg for it, and that’s fucking disgraceful.

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What purpose do these scales serve? One man’s 10 is another man’s 7, and vice versa. There are no standards.

Even worse, this scale bullshit makes people think that we’re dealing with some kind of scientific facts: “Yeah, the few pics roissy posted of himself with girls recently make me question his ability to reocgnize a real 8 as well.”

I constantly see people say things like “real 10,” but it doesn’t mean a goddamn thing because there is no such thing as a “real 10.” It’s all just opinions.

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Not only is Blah right, that beauty is subjective, but the fact that this ‘author’ tries to use this scale to judge how a real relationship would work is just pathetic, shallow, and sad.

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Should have had a zero for the beasts ugly sister.

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Roosh-

I think you’ve never slept with even a 3. Looking at your 1-10 post, you have a beast listed as an “8”. You’re blind, dude.

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“Yeah last night I woke up next to this beast and remembered that I didn’t use a condom. Should I get tested?”

No… probably you were the first. hehehehe

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I see what you did there..

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Roosh, I discovered you through your original 1-10 rating and found it to be very accurate. The new system works too, I actually LOL’d at the category, “Beast” – so cruel! (I have been there)

I have my own which I suppose could be transposed internationally as it allows itself to be used relatively depending on the society (like the Russian 3 is a 9 elsewhere example)

1-5: I call this “Sub Prime”

Why bother going into more detail? These chicks will make you depressed after you’ve fucked them, they will create a bad memory for you to remember on your deathbed. Leave them to the chumps. They are “The Great Unwashed”.

6: is the lowest entry – this is a girl who obviously has some flaws that everyone could agree upon, including herself. However, she may have some assets (cuteness, nice ass, big boobs, great fun personality, dirty sex drive) that will justify a ride to bang town.

7: As you say, a nice girl, girl next door, typical girlfriend, the sort that gets married easily. BORING.

8: A noticeably cuter version of the girlfriend. This is the girl in the office who really stands out from all the others – she’s still a ‘normal girl’ but has that factor that makes her the best by far. If a normal chode ever gets one of these, it will be the love of his life, the one he compares all the others to, if he gets one, he’s lucky.

9: This is a girl that does appear in real life from time to time. She is the girl that ALL guys will agree is so fucking hot, damn! It is no longer debatable, she is hot, fact. Guys imagine to themselves that this is the kind of girl they could get if only there were luckier, had more game, were rich, were movie moguls, music producers etc. Often, you will find out one of these gils is with a total chump and she loves him for some God-known reason.

10: Now I believe in the 10, I don’t think it’s a 9 with make-up. A 10 is actually, a different species. This girl is so fucking special and different that both men and women will stop whatever they are doing and just stare. You will feel her enter a room before seeing her, as if the President had just walked in. There will be a hushed and reverent silence. Women will pack up their things and leave. Men will feel a deep sadness and fear inside them that emanates from eternity. Unlike a 9, which any man will imagine he can get one day when he’s finally “made it”, a 10 stands apart in that 99% of men will openly admit that no matter what they do, they will never have a girl like that. They would not know what to do with her, what to say. They would be ashamed of their own mediocrity. She is from another planet. More like a vision, that a real living thing. This woman is more demi-God than human. They do exist. I have seen them. Only the elite play in this private realm.

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Roosh, Watch this clip from The Daily Show yesterday. I think this Hammermesh guy reads your blog.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/300226/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-ugly-people#s-p1-sr-i1

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It doesn’t matter what other guys think about hotness of your conquests. Only matters what YOU think about them. Some guys think obese women are THE shit and who are we to judge them? If anything, we should be happy such guys exist and “take one for the team”, so to speak.