Re: You’re Not A People Person

After yesterday’s post a reader forwarded me an email from her friend that describes what I was talking about. To refresh your memory here is what I wrote:

Any “people person” would start getting very uncomfortable if the guy on the bus next to you starts hacking away his flem or reeking of body odor or having a loud, profanity-laden fight on the phone. Riding the subway with a rude group of kids causing a ruckus is an event that educated people must tell anyone that will listen.

The email:

I’m just getting settled in. Oh my god it was the ride from hell. First off, getting stopped by cops, put us off by a good 15 minutes. Then, I have a metal chunk of crap where my feet are to sit, and a morbidly obese man squirming not to touch me next to me. This means I get half my seat. He is generating a lot of body heat.

Stopover. Smelly looking tree planters exchange notes on their equipment, some guy tries and fails to pick the hippie girls up. Everyone’s standing outside to get the best seat, mosquitoes are going crazy, it’s raining. There are tons of fat people wandering in from *****, mullets and bleached blond hair. I contemplate asking one of the skinny tree hugger girls to sit next to me.

I chuck someone’s water bottle down the aisle under the chairs, and take a window seat, only to discover two large native men peering at me. I’ve taken their seats, and chucked their water bottle. A skinny man that looks like a gold digger from the Klondike demands to know if I was on before, and how it is I forgot my seat. I take a new seat, slink down, and stare intently at my ticket.

A girl sits beside me. Next to her, four African men reeking of cologne. They talk for the next 10 hours straight in a language that sounds like a swamp bubbling. Behind me, two native men reeking of booze and cigarettes. “With my luck, we’ll hit a tanker truck.” “With mine, we won’t.” Something starts banging under my chair, loud, at random. Then my seat starts to wobble. The natives suspect the wheel axis is coming off, and that the wheel is going to fly off the bus. They then FALL ASLEEP. I pop two codeines and eventually have to tell the driver something funny is going on. We stop in parry sound for tim’s and he looks at it, for a second. I figure I’ve done all I can to prevent my death here.

The african men get off at ******. Their luggage is not on the bus. They start bellowing and lunging at the driver, who yells back. Everyone is looking out the window, and it looks like we might have a fight on our hands after 10 hours in the bus. Driver gets on and closes the door.

A man in the back coughs a deep cough from his lungs, then swallows his snot. Someone tells him to cover his mouth when he does that. TB TB TB. I run to the front of the bus near *******, open my own coach luggage door and grab my luggage. I hurl myself into a cab before those slugs have even stirred from their slumber.

The email had complaints about body odor, flem, and fighting, among others. Eerie coincidence or validation that what I speak of is real absolute truth?

I’m positive the email came from a woman who is pro-environment, anti-war, hyper educated, a voracious reader, has donated to the Sally Struthers aid program, owns or considers owning a hybrid, and who considers herself a lover of people. Yet if a plumber in her home or a polite bus driver engaged her in conversation she wouldn’t know what to say, and that’s the issue with educated First World inhabitants who wrap themselves up in the cocoon and have no knowledge or experience of people not like them.

Next month… You’re Not As Open Minded As You Think.

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rhymenocerous
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The author of the e-mail is describing a bus trip across Canada (Parry Sound is about two and a half hours outside of Toronto), which is, as you know, another First World country. Pick a better example next time.

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…and that has nothing to do with the argument. Be less pithy and read to comprehend next time.

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Oh wow, you went out and found an email that agrees with exactly what you said, that sure sounds like free thinking to me.

And, “I’m positive the email came from a woman who is pro-environment, anti-war, hyper educated, a voracious reader, has donated to the Sally Struthers aid program, owns or considers owning a hybrid, and who considers herself a lover of people”, that’s so what open-mindedness is about and not a gross generalization or stereo-typing at all.

I’d hate to see one of those homeless people, who since you’re such a fan, I guess you spend all your time with, and jump to the conclusion he may smell, have mental deficiencies, and done more terrible things to pacify his addictions then we’ll ever know. I’d hate to make that assumption, because assumptions are wrong, and never right.

Anyway, I’m sure you’re too ‘alpha’ to ever have anything shake your opinion on everything, you’re always right even when you’re wrong. Way to go George W Bush.

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not to be a jackass, but its spelled “phlegm”

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so, roosh, have you ever taken a bus cross-country? or perhaps through india, or columbia? i have, and it sucks. i easily could have written that email, and you’re right: i’m pro-environment, anti-war, a voracious reader, educated, and the only way i’d consider owning a hybrid is if someone put a gun to my head to force me to buy a car. oh, speaking of guns, i’m also pro-gun, pro-death penalty, a lover of whiskey and smokes and lots of other things that are bad for me, and i am a people person. i can also be a total misanthrope.

my point, dear roosh, is that the world is not black and white. it’s painfully easy these days to find validation for our opinions on the internet, and it doesn’t make us any more correct. it just means that we feel a little better in our assumptions when we can point to something and say “see? told you so….”.

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The point is that most people in America lead pretty sheltered lives, even those that claim they are in touch with what’s going on in the world.

There are people in my office who refuse to ride the buses and subways in Boston because they scared that something bad will happen to them. And I’m not even talking about the public transit into the hoods, I’m talking about the downtown yuppie transit! I couldn’t even imagine what these people would think of the bus described in the post.

The problem is cars. We are so used to the protection of cars that we are removed from regular every day human interaction.

Matt Savage’s last blog post: What Nice Guys Need to Know.

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Keep it up. This series is great. I can’t stand the city dwelling self-righteous “people persons” who could never have a beer in your average hinterland flyover cities let alone another country. I live in the northeast and sometimes take the bus because it’s cheap. It horrifies supposedly openminded people because *GASP* I might have to sit next to people going to some uncool place like Worchester, MA or Utica, NY and those people might be again *GASP* immigrants or “white trash”.

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so like, are you saying that if you DON’T like the smelly homeless, then you’re not a people person? what pretention!

you could always say, “I’m a clean, rich white-people person” to avoid the hidden hypocrisy you point out in this blog.

So what I get from your post is: any time you say you’re a “people person” you have to qualify it to mention the types of people you don’t enjoy being around so much.

I’m a good-smelling people person.

I’m a white only people person

I’m a english only people person, because I only know one language, being a “stupid american.” lol

I’m a fried-chicken-eating-people person hahaha okay i’ll stop have a nice day

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I ride the bus daily and I live in an area with a mix of poor blacks, central American immigrants, rednecks and highly educated Indians, Chinese and whiter people. It makes for some interesting interactions, to say the least. I grew up in a place that’s pretty bad by American standards, so I can deal with the 2 digit IQ crowd, but sometimes their lack of civility really annoys me.

BTW, the bus is a great place for day game.

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Funny enough, I think that e-mail was from a ‘polite’ Canadian.

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I’ve never taken offense at this blog or its comments before, but how can you (the dude) say Utica, NY is uncool!? Right before the Boilermaker? The coolest 15k roadrace EVER!!

Go Utica!!

Um, yeah, slightly biased.

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where the hell does that ‘polite’ canadian thing come from anyways?

i’ve rarely encountered it in real life.

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i’m enjoying this series of posts. i suppose you could lump them under the umbrella category of “smoking out hypocrisy”. that’s why i especially love to ridicule the status-preening SWPLs, even if i flirt with being one of them myself. but then, i’ve never claimed to be an angel.

roissy’s last blog post: More Thoughts On The Poon Commandments.

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I don’t know, I think that bus trip sounds more fun than being trapped in an airplane for five hours with uptight businesspeople in suits.

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Is it only hypocritical to call yourself a people person if you don’t like smelly poor people or is it also hypocritical to call yourself a people person if you don’t like wealthy sheltered people?

Or is it noble to not like the later but snobby to not like the former?

Or are you just in a bad mood and you hadn’t really thought it out this far?

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Interesting reading…but environmentalist? The hippie babes comparing mosquito bites were not spared…Hybrid driver? How about no license. Racist, apparently yes, but enviro? So is riding a the Greyhound for 10 hours supposed to be some kind of redemptive, cross cultural experience? What white guilt bullshit.
As for polite Canadians, we’re polite, not friendly. You can look to Americans for that.

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If anything, these days even the most ignorant of people are more knowledgeable about “people not like them” due to the internet, mass digital media, and the larger trend of globalization of information and business markets. Before the digital age wouldnt you bet people were even more in a cocoon of ignorance?

After the first time I spent a significant amount of time outside the US I too thought wow “people are different”..changed my whole perspective on shit..got all existential and felt more informed (and better than) all those haven’t been outside the US borders. I just didnt get on a soapbox and blog about it. Pardon me if this post didnt blow my mind.

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“I’m positive the email came from a woman who is pro-environment, (I recycle), anti-war (WRONG – Pro-Bush), hyper educated (fine), a voracious reader (WRONG, too busy hating people), has donated to the Sally Struthers aid program, (HUH?) owns or considers owning a hybrid, (WRONG) and who considers herself a lover of people (DEAD WRONG). Yet if a plumber in her home or a polite bus driver engaged her in conversation she wouldn’t know what to say” (I might fuck them.

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You can stay within the US and still have plenty of different cultural experiences. “I went to Europe. I have SEEN culture.”

Congratulations

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a little more insight on the ‘Canadian bus ride’, the writer exhibits typical regional ignorance found in the majority of southern ontario. Racism towards native canadians is rampant and people scoff at college kids who take up summer jobs as tree planters, earn $300 dollars per day, and by virtue of the 80,000 trees they personally planted in the last 2 months makes them a lifetime more ‘green’ than recycling yuppies. You’ll never hear it from an Ontario urban dweller, but the rest of the country hates them.

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Ok Wiscanadian I am ready for a change of venu in work. Where do I go to get the Tree Planting job?

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“18: hey now.. batters who hit the ball a third of the time still go to the hall of fame”

Yeah, but they don’t spend the other 2/3 of the time with a big black cock jammed in their gobs.

Your writing has devolved into something that a 12 year old kid would write to try and please his slightly hip/alternative 8th grade English teacher.

Stop being such a queer.

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Keep in mind: Roosh is an Iranian.

He doesn’t care that Americans/Europeans are so (deservedly) arrogant. He just wishes it was his culture in the driver’s seat.

Iranians are some of the most racist people I have ever met, with absoluteley nothing to back up that attitude. I’m Italian, but I don’t call myself a “Roman”. Iranians are a bunch of insecure men, who are terrified of westerners taking their women, and breeding the men out of existence, which would be doing the world a favor.

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Don’t forget your other website, you Persian cocksucking faggot.

http://www.dcbachelors.blogspot.com/

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Wow, Roosh who’d have thought that you’d get so much super hate for suggesting that north americans are the spoiled brats of the world. Apparently you can say some insane things about women, but better not rip on culture!

Gunslingergregi – just search for canadian treeplanting. There is a definite catch though for any job that pays well and requires no education. Think ‘deadliest catch’

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Can we get a Player or Poser post? You could do it with a homeless guy and the girl could be a crack whore. This would show how enlightened you are, because you apparently love to sit next to these people on the bus.

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I did not say Utica is uncool!! I actually like the area around there, I just feel like some more sophisticated city types are very negative about those types of places.

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FAIL.

Your logical leaps are ridiculous, and like the last time you did a “player or poseur” post, you were complete wrong off about your “subjects”.

I’ve been to shittier countries than you. One country that I guarantee not a single one of your readers has been to. I’ve worked with no-shit human-rights-violating white south african mercs. ive seen them in action. i’ve also traveled across the USA in a greyhound bus, and had i written an email to someone about the experience, it would have been similar to the one you posted. having lived and work in the world’s biggest shithole countries with complete scoundrels and whackjobs would do nothing to put that experience into “perspective”. why? because a shitty-ass busride is still a shitty-ass busride. the only thing your field-trip to the favelas have gotten you is moral-highground in the one-upsmanship game you could play with your friends. “Oh that’s nothing. This one time? In South America?…..” that makes the trip worth it tho doesnt it.

FAIL.

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@24 I’ve been dating a Persian girl for the past three years and I can confirm everything you said. On the plus side, because the guys tend to be just assholes, the girls make great wives and it’s easy to look good in comparison.

Haha, and her Dad is definitely one of the more racist people I know.

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wow some people take the internet way too seriously

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Wait wait– are we talking about a morning MetroBus ride in from the suburbs or a Chinatown bus trip to NYC? I would grant you that choosing local DC commuter buses over the Metro gives one a certain kind of nitty-gritty cred (if still of a relatively yuppie variety), but opting to ride a $40 DC-to-NY bus instead of coughing up $130 for Amtrak does not exemplify anyone as some kind of liberal activist. And regardless of the duration of the journey, as #29 said, “a shitty bus ride is a shitty bus ride.”

It’s the same for planes, too– I’ve endured many a flight where an obese lady’s folds spilled over into my ‘personal bubble,’ or where an infirm dude coughed his entire viral load into my immediate airspace, but hello, that’s the nature of mass transporation. Buses tend to get a higher per capita volume of the fat and the sick because they’re cheaper, and skinny healthy people can more often afford faster and more comfortable ways to travel.

These seem like pretty obvious observations. I’m not sure about your point.

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Roosh- I enjoy your site. I enjoyed Bang. And along the lines of the comments on the first post on this subject, I found the discussion of how you’ve changed from the DCB days to be very spot on. I think that people in our “Crossfire” culture hustle to shot the messenger, rather than contemplating the message (right or wrong) in an effort to expand/broaden horizens.

It’s like Roissy. I find much of his stuff bordering on silly. But he’s a good writer and his comments are thought provoking.

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Roosh. you are such a pussy.

ThatVietnameseGuy
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while I was reading this, I noticed it was Canadian after seeing comments about natives and Tims as to Tims Horton, I like your blogs man, you know the meaning to life.. thanks a bunch..