What Is Real End Game?

In the past I’ve referred to End Game as a game of no game, where you still play but are not mindful of specific routines or moves. You internalize the correct behavior and by merely existing you spit optimal game.

This explanation is not sufficient for many guys. They want to know when they can stop playing the game completely—when they can sit back, put up their legs, and enjoy the rewards of their game labor. In that case I can say that end game is when you meet a girl you want to have a deep relationship with and commit the rest of your life to.

But is that really end game?

How many guys out there used a bit of game to get a half-ideal bride then threw it all away once the papers were signed to get the cliche once-a-month sex (if they’re lucky) from a nagging woman who gained a significant amount of weight? Most guys over 30 know someone in this situation as it’s not merely internet lore discussed on message boards and blogs.

When you stop demanding respect and standards from your significant other, how can you possibly expect to get the best of what she can offer you? Once a dog is house trained do you just let it run wild whenever it wants, never punishing it for when you find your favorite socks all torn up? No, you keep your hand firm and demand the dog act in a way that pleases you the most. It’s not an accident that dog training and proper wife management share many common elements.

The point of game is to get what you want from women. Therefore when you stop playing the game, and let the stars dictate how she acts towards you, you will stop getting what you want. A very tiny percentage of women in the world are programmed to please you if you’re needy and don’t have balls, which is unfortunately the case for men who don’t use game in today’s society, whether they’re conscious of it or not. You must be scarce, you must be confident, you must be cocky, you must tease, you must have value, and you must demand respect.

If you think that you can stay in the game for a couple years to get a girlfriend and then be done with it, I’m afraid you’re deluded because we’ve arrived at a point where game is absolutely necessary to deal with the modern woman, just like how today’s cubicle dweller must exercise frequently to maintain an attractive weight. By not using game you get lower quality and less sex while the game guys clean up.

A cushy job is no longer enough. A fancy car won’t do it. A McMansion won’t help you either. The new reality is that you need game to compete with guys who are less attractive than you and who make less money than you. Not learning game is like showing up to a job interview in jeans and a t-shirt while the guy next to you is decked out in a custom suit. Nine times out of ten you won’t get the job. Universities offer feminist theory classes—maybe in my time they’ll have pickup theory classes as well, because that’s what is currently needed to even the playing ground. Men need the tools that game offers them to achieve their genetic potential in our feminist culture.

The truth is you should never stop playing the game. The moment you stop playing the game is the moment you stop getting what you want. Some years I will play more than others, but I will not throw away principles based on human nature and hacks into today’s woman which allow me to properly get and manage as many women as I can handle. If you want to be happy then you must embrace game. Game is happiness, and end game is death.

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Eric
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It’s human nature for a woman to get comfortable after marriage in regards to sex, nagging and appearance. Follow these rules and you’ll lead a happy life.

1. Don’t marry, with or without a prenup. A
prenup can be overturned in some states. You
also have to give some amount in order for it
to hold up in court. Don’t sign a marriage
contract and you don’t have to give anything.
If you insist on paying for sex and
companionship, there are better ways to go
about doing it.

2. Don’t cohabitate. This makes it easier to
follow rules 4 and 5 with minimal stress.
See below.

3. Don’t get them pregnant. When a woman has your
baby, she owns you. Always use a condom.
If she’s not using any birth control, stay
away.

4. Don’t help pay for anything. No car payments,
VISA bills, student loans, cell phone etc.
Some women expect the guy they live with to
help them with their bills. If you refuse
there’s going to be resentment, silent
treatment and a sex embargo. Prevent this by
simply not moving in together. She has a job
and she pays her own way.

5. The second the nagging and marriage demands
start, get the hell out. It won’t get any better
from here on. You’ve used up your fun points
(in her view) and now it’s time to pay up.

Dirk Diggler
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All of these are so true. Even my mom used to warn me that a baby “seals the deal.”

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People in relationships have sex more often than guys going out every weekend to get SNLs. If sex is your concern, you can get more of it by “stop playing the game”. And it’s better sex than ONS sex.

In my estimation, a man could grab a 6 (or better (or worse)), make her his girlfriend for a year, get sex all the time for like a year, eventually move on with a month of no play, and then repeat the cycle. And frankly, these guys pick up WAY more relationship management skills than the “game guys” jamming up the nightclub on the wknd. THUS, they would be better equipped to keep a marriage healthy, if they were to go that way.

It’s not something I’m advocating, but it’s the side of the coin you’re not looking at.

Dirk Diggler
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I’ve often been a serial monogamist like this. It’s not nevessarily a bad thing and dies have its high points.

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Well Evan has a good point, but the problem with it is that the one year rarely stays just one year. It stretches into 3, 5, or even 10 years. Unless you have an uncanny ability to suddenly turn cold and mechanical, it is very hard to break up with a girl who has fallen in love with you, and to do this over and over every year. If your game is tight and you are high-value, she will be in love with you after a year. Ditching the relationship and moving on after a month would require that you live in a large enough city that you won’t run into your ex in the same social circles, and that you have the stonehearted ways about you that enable you to drop her with no guilt. Plus, if you already know your relationship is going to expire after a year, you are pretty much living a lie for that entire year, and investing in something that you will ultimately discard. It is far more honest to go out every weekend and game girls at bars who are willing to go home and sleep with a guy with no commitment (i.e. dirty whoooors).

Dirk Diggler
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Maintain frame and distance. Just be a man and control yourself and don’t fucking fall in love, for fuck’s sake.

Matt Savage
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I liked your original explanation of end game better, that point at which one is not consciously aware that he is using game, even though he is.

There are plenty of alphas out there who have never studied attraction/seduction/game yet they have game, they just don’t need actively think about it, they just do it.

Matt Savage’s last blog post: The Older Male Virgin Bloggers.

Dirk Diggler
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There are naturals in all disciplines, game included. Good for them, but most of us have to work at it, to varying degrees.

boston66
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There is no end game, game is what gets and keeps the girl. No game no females. Game is body language, voice tone, and words. Jus cuz you don’t use the words doesn’t mean you don’t use the rest.

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Evan, the problem with your point is we don’t want to settle for a 6. Why not work hard and snag a 9?
You won’t get much relationship management skills while dating a 6, because they know they aren’t hot. You try the same stuff on a 9 that you do with a 6 and you’ll find you’re in a whole different ball park.

Sex is not the end-all be-all. It’s sex with FINE ASS BITCHES.

Dirk Diggler
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9 is a novelty, but gets old. You get better sex, generally, from 6s and 7s.

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“Not learning game is like showing up to a job interview in jeans and a t-shirt while the guy next to you is decked out in a custom suit.”

I like how you dropped “Custom Suit” into this post.

– MPM

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Another good point is that even if you find a girl you want to keep around for longer than usual, you need to still have other prospects. Options is what will keep you going and that day you fail the shit test, you can still walk away with hand.

Culcept’s last blog post: Wolverine.

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It all depends on how someone wants to look at it.

For me this sentence basically sums it up…. “You internalize the correct behavior and by merely existing you spit optimal game.”

And a couple thousand a month (passive).

That would put me into “Retirement Game”

Then i would start producing Porn.

Vincent Ignatius
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In my estimation, a man could grab a 6 (or better (or worse)), make her his girlfriend for a year, get sex all the time for like a year…

Who wants to bang the same woman for a year?

How many guys out there used a bit of game to get a half-ideal bride then threw it all away once the papers were signed to get the cliche once-a-month sex…

I know a few guys who are in the game just to find a wife. There are way too many girls out there to let yourself get tied down to only one. And very few of those girls are worthy of marriage.

Vincent Ignatius’s last blog post: My favorite rejection.

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Sex over time with the same partner is better, that’s why. At least until the spark extinguishes. That can easily take a year or more. If you can’t stick to one, then have two. It’s when you get from 3-5, like I did in my younger days, that it starts to get hairy.

Athol Kay: Married Man Sex Life
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Gaming yourself to a “half-ideal bride” is the most epic fail. Seriously. Just don’t.

Suggest… http://www.marriedmansexlife.com/2010/02/shes-nice-place-to-visit-but-i-wouldnt.html

Absolutely agree that you never can stop playing to win. Though when it’s a LTR it’s a team sport and you win, or lose, together.

Athol Kay: Married Man Sex Life’s last blog post: Beating Approach Anxiety – So Easy A Caveman Can Do It.

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You’re girlfriend or wife should always feel that little discomfort in the pit of their stomach that says if they don’t stay in line, there is a strong possibility you will leave to find someone who will give you what you want…

The day she stops chasing your approval is the day she will start not caring what she looks like, or start looking for someone else to fuck.

Tyler’s last blog post: Girls on the side.

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Or both.

Zictor
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Delusions of grandeur, anyone?

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^THIS

phillipmarlow’s last blog post: Great Article From Zen Habits.

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Oops…my last comment was in response to

“The day she stops chasing your approval is the day she will start not caring what she looks like, or start looking for someone else to fuck”

phillipmarlow’s last blog post: Great Article From Zen Habits.

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I don’t get these passive guys who think kicking their feet up and eating the fruit means happiness. Same homos who work hard to enjoy retirement.

Danny K
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Great post Roosh, have a read of this article guys, I thought it was quite funny!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/7339654/Intelligent-men-less-likely-to-cheat.html

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Roosh wrote:

“A cushy job is no longer enough. A fancy car won’t do it. A McMansion won’t help you either. The new reality is that you need game to compete with guys who are less attractive than you and who make less money than you. Not learning game is like showing up to a job interview in jeans and a t-shirt while the guy next to you is decked out in a custom suit”

I agree with all of this, especially if you met the gal at a bar.

Whats a shame that having a cushy job and McMansion simply make you a bigger target to legally rob to a lot of women out there. The simply see guys who have these things as a con-artist sees marks, someone to be fleeced legally.

We as guys are “framed” by the entertainment media (especially commercials) as doofuses constantly, and we have to overcome that false stereotype right off the bat.

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Your awareness of death is one of the things I respect about you as a blogger. Death is a subject most Americans are in complete denial about.

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To me, end game is simply the actions one takes to achieve an ultimate goal for a particular frame or context.

If your career end game is to make partner at a prestigious law firm and you just got assigned a case that if you hit it out of the park will give you rockstar status, then you run your best A-game and do everything you can within the metaframe of your career end game, i.e: lose a battle but still win the war.

If your ultimate goal in life is to travel around the world, meeting high quality women who actually truly care for you and have meaningful long term relationships with all of them, when you meet a girl you may run game differently if you know nothing long term will happen with it than if it did have long term potential.

“…you still play but are not mindful of specific routines or moves. You internalize the correct behavior and by merely existing you spit optimal game.”

I would just call this becoming a natural.

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Start by looking into “Please Understand Me II”. Understand who you truly are and learn about what other types of people there are. What most PUA deem as “quality girls HB8+” are nothing but whores born under better circumstance, broken and torn by age 17.

The woman you want to take as a wife is most likely not found in bars. They are snatched up at a good age, before they are spoiled. They can be trained by a more worldly husband, molded to fit into proper place inside his world.

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I agree here with only one exception: when you get to a point in your life when you no longer desire sex – like at age 70 or so. When a man does not care to fuck anymore and pursues other things, then it is truly Endgame. But until then, Roosh is correct.