Respecting Women

The more a man respects a woman, the less notches he will have. While notches don’t yield happiness, if you want to have sex with a lot of women then you should not hold them in high regard.

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Are women princesses that must be worshiped, or are they are pieces of meat that should be treated like objects? It really doesn’t matter. You can get into a very fancy discussion about the modern woman that uses historical references and very nice metaphors, but in the end your conclusion must be based on reality. And the reality is that women reward men who have little respect for them. Ask any successful player a series of questions about his behavior to women and it will be very apparent that he sees her as something that is more expendable than magical.

I had a friend who was a good guy, but he would treat women very well and care for them and sacrifice for them. He would put his friends before girls he hadn’t even slept with (girls he would never end up sleeping with). It got so bad that me and a player friend had to run an intervention: “STOP RESPECTING WOMEN. DON’T DO ANY FAVORS FOR A WOMAN WHO HASN’T PLEASED YOU SEXUALLY.” It didn’t get through and he’s still the permafriend. This is a pattern that is repeated with beta males everywhere. I lost count how many times I was in the company of a beta and a girlfriend that gave him shit in front of me. When I ask the beta if he is going to let her treat him like that, he replies with “She’s drunk” or “She’s in a bad mood.”

Emotional, weak, flakey, fickle, petty, jealous, gossipy, spiteful, insecure, shallow. I’m going to automatically respect that? Disrespect the entire gender, but do respect the girl who earns it. A woman you meet does not deserve the benefit of the doubt until she proves herself.

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Again, you and your friends are dating the wrong women…and its getting to the point that you need your own intervention.

If you date shallow, young, materialistic women…that is what you’ll get…but thats what you want so whats the point in getting in a back and forth about complaining about the exact thing you “hunt”.

Good women DON’T want to be treated badly. That is such a crock of garbage and any guy that tells you that…IS SINGLE. And any girl that wants that…has most likely had some kind of abusive background.

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Have you ever heard of ‘Fifty Shades.’?

Look it up.

You’ll be surprised how popular with women it really is.

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Amen! Like I always say, women just want a man that will Ike them every once in a while. I feel so sorry for my male friends who are just excessively kind hearted by nature. They always end up getting walked all over by fastidious and bitchy women. What is that? Women always complain that are no good men out there; they’re out there, you just don’t want them.

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BEAVE–If you consider treating a women like garbage being a “Good Man”…then you need major therapy.

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I find it amusing to see Kassy lecturing Roosh on his behavior. Whatever you may think of his (deliberately) provocative comments they are true and the product of hard won experience.

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No! I don’t consider treating women like garbage being a good man. But it has been my experience that most women don’t like “good men”. And although I’ve only been burned once, that is all it took for me to be very careful for now on! And you have a valid point; good women don’t want to be treated badly, so maybe the problem is the lack of good women!

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Anon–I am not lecturing–Roosh is a good friend…

BUT I find it even more interesting that men who have never really had real relationships can deem to decide how they work…thats all.

Give me all the advice on fucking, dating, etc…but boyfriend/girlfriend advice? I’ll take that from guys that have been there…

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Kassy — and that is the problem. Women take all sorts of stupid advice that “theoretically” can work but actually never does. Roosh’s original post are spot on.

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kassy, what roosh writes about fucking/dating applies equally to relationships. the only difference is how quickly the woman will fully succumb to her underlying true nature when her man in a weak moment slips into beta-ness. women don’t stop testing men after the first bang. she must earn his respect over and over. the minute men forget this very important lesson is the death toll of their LTR. a man’s frame of mind should always be “it’s about ME”.

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Beta males have blue balls that cloud their logic. They see assholes with hot chicks and draw the wrong conclusions.

They assume that treating women as dispensable causes a man to have lots of women. It’s the other way around: having lots of women causes a man to treat women as dispensable.

Emotional, weak, flakey, fickle, petty, jealous, gossipy, spiteful, insecure, shallow. I’m going to automatically respect that? Disrespect the entire gender, but do respect the girl who earns it.

Those traits you list are applicable to you and other beta males. You attract what you deserve. My advice is to stop ranting about women. Only beta bitches rant about women.

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Everyone should be treated with respect, regardless of sex. I don’t agree with you at all on this, Roosh. Of course, being a woman, I’m sure my opinion does not matter very much. Also, I think you’re confusing ‘respect’ with being someone’s bitch. It’s not the same thing.

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2-I was speaking figuratively…I obviously don’t take advice on sex/dating/relationships…I already know how to do just fine in them by being a caring and loving partner.

Its like what mm said–everyone deserves respect. everyone. I treat any boyfriend/date/hook up with respect and therefore expect it back.

We are all different people with different personalities and traits.

Roissy–you see all men and all women in a certain way but the truth and the beauty of humanity is that we are all DIFFERENT.

Its our uniqueness that defines us and believe it or not…some women are not total bitches. Some women prefer to nurture their men. But no sane woman will nurture a man that treats her like crap.

If she does–she is in a terrible relationship and has no self esteem. No one deserves to be treated badly unless THEY are treating someone badly…thats it.

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I’m actually going to agree with this. Espicially since I treat guys the same way.

I really liked your diagram.

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Very simple rule: “Respect is earned, not given freely.”

Unfortunately, many men have been taught to give women respect automatically, since doing so is a sign of being a “gentleman”. In today’s day and age, the best tactic in dealing with women is to act like a gentleman ONLY when she acts like a lady. If she exhibits selfishness, acts disrespectful, has an attitude, etc… she is not acting like a lady and shouldn’t be treated like one. To the extent Roosh is spending his time in places where such women hang out, he is perfectly entitled to not act like a gentleman.

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I’m inclinced to agree with Roosh on this one. I was raised to respect women and be chivalrous. I had a four-year relationship with a great woman I was going to marry Then she ended it saying (this is an exact quote): “You’re great. But there is no passion with you. You’re too nice. Dating you is like dating my brother.”

Maybe you don’t need to be cruel, but guys do need to tap their dormant masculinity (which gets beaten out of them by this feminist-thinking society). And guys need to stand their own ground and be assertive and not deferential to women’s whims and passing fancies.

What women want and what they say they want are two different things. Rock on, Roosh.

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Jay…that is very true. I agree with you 100%.

Weatherman–Passion is completely different from not respecting someone…You can respect and be passionate…But your right–assertiveness is sexy in a man…but you can be a good guy and passionate…no woman wants a man that is scared of her (and if she does, you don’t want her)…but all women want to be respected.

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KassyK — backpedal all you want. it only further convinces me of Roosh’s point.

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2-Who is backpedaling? And why are you anon? Use your real name…only betas are Anon.

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Dammit, Gatsby beat me to it, but I’ll second: Everybody deserves respect? Ridiculous. Rather, everybody deserves the opportunity to earn my respect.

It’s certainly true that getting “notches” or being a player is much easier by being kind of a prick. I seriously doubt any of you ladies horrified by this post would disagree. But that aside, even relationships depend on both people believing that the other is confident and interesting. Those traits don’t mesh with self-subjugation, which is what “respect” is too often conflated with in these meta discussions.

I’ve been the nice guy (and either didn’t get the girl or got dumped when it became clear I valued her over myself), I’ve been the asshole (got the girl much more often, though they were rarely relationship quality if I took that route), and I’ve been in between, where I lived my life confidently and assertively and blended in a girl who was interesting and worth respecting. But the idea of being a nice guy usually just means being a pussy, and that means permanent friend zone status. Yay.

Nothing kills attraction faster than neediness, lack of confidence, and subjugation, all classic traits of the nice guy (who of course believes that everyone deserves his respect . . . ugh).

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If you want to get laid, don’t be a nice guy. It’s that simple.

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So how’s this working out for you? You finally getting some tang now?

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“Unfortunately, many men have been taught to give women respect automatically, since doing so is a sign of being a “gentleman”.”

Gatsby is totally correct on this point and I’ll take it a step further. Those of us who grew up with “sexual harrassment seminars” and such at our school know that even arguing with a girl is defined as abuse (the fake “One in four women are sexually assaulted” stat comes from defining assault in such a broad way). So many of us did grow up trying to be a “gentelman” in all circumstances.

This was my problem and the problem of many guys today: Trying to be Cary Grant in an Anna Nicole Smith world.

That zipping sound you hear is KassyK furiously backpedaling.

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Why not just say treat ALL PEOPLE with respect if they have earned it it? Sex/ work/ friendship/ life … isn’t respect earned and not demanded?

You see sexual relations in a really narrow way; sexual relations are not any different from other human relationships.

Or maybe, for you, they are. And that’s something that has made you a player. If you saw it differently, you wouldn’t be in “the game”.

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It comes down to whether you want notches or relationships–whether you want sex or love.

The kind of girl you use as a notch WANTS to be used. She probably has low self-esteem (this is NOT a myth about women) or buys into the bullshit that women can actually have notches without getting emotionally involved. I’m sorry, but women are NOT hardwired the same way men are.

I volunteer with victims of sexual abuse, and I’ve seen this over and over. Sorry to be so harsh, but it’s true–women you use for one-night stands, even if they claim it’s empowering for them too, often struggle with their self image later.

Since alcoholism is so rampant, I’m sure getting notches isn’t too hard for men. Still, that usually means it’s sloppy…not quality.

When you find a girl you actually like, please treat her with respect. Be a man, but be a gentleman too (different from “pushover”). Acting like an asshole might work in college, but there comes a point when it stops being intriguing.

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Hahahahahahahahahahah! Too bad this comment is hella old. I would’ve told you about the many women I liked and talked to. How I always acted the gentleman, and the funny guy, and how I got friendzoned every time. Everybody thinks they know everything, But they don’t! And women never try to impress us. Only some try by taking care of their looks. We’re the ones who try to be interesting and find what kinds of things interest the girl we’re talking to. Women will never try as hard as we do!

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And yes, I agree with Jay Gatsby too. Respect is something you must earn.

KassyK
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Weatherman–There is NO backpedaling?

And I am saying as I always have…that men AND women should be treated well…as I always have.

I am STILL saying as I said from THE BEGINNING…that you should treat all people with respect…men, women, everyone.

I haven’t changed my tune ONCE.

And why are you guys attacking ME when I am not even saying anything rude? I am so confused…I think respect should be given unless someone treats you badly.

You are all confusing passion, being a pussy, being a man, being a pushover and being a good guy. Its not all the same thing.

Read ALL the female comments here…besides maybe one…they all agree…women want to be treated well.

The ones that don’t have real issues…

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“I’m sorry, but women are NOT hardwired the same way men are.”

This is not true. KasskyK is hardwired the same as any man. The only difference is her skin — it’s…so smooth and milky white!!

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Is this Redhead in the City or RooshV?! wink

Okay, I agree with a lot of what Roosh mentioned. I don’t think that you need to disrepect someone before they earn your respect, though. Casual indifference would be better. Besides, respect and worship are on very different parts of the relationship continuum. You can be respectful and still not let someone take advantage of you. That comes naturally with confidence and maturity.

I mean, what if all women disrespected us before we earned their respect, and we disrepected all women before they earned ours? Hmmm…can you say collapse of mankind as we know it? I wonder what Roosh’s true objective is here.

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Kassy, et al:

can we all agree that men are retarded and assume that certain women are PLOTTING to be used or can totally be lumped into a category of worthless skanks to be disrespected?

It’s so easy to see people as Category A and Category B, rather than a complex creature.

Wake up… 99.9% of women want people to love and respect them. Most just don’t know how to go about it. Many have been daddy’s princess for years and have no idea that respect is earned, not demanded. Someone give them a crash course.

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I can’t read everyone’s comments so maybe i’m quite behind or it’s been said, but to some extent, I do agree with what is written.

Sad, but truth. “Nice guys” get trampled. Now, don’t take aggression as “treating women badly” as there is a fine line. (I haven’t found it but I’m sure there is, as i run across it from time to time).

It’s not about treating them like objects or anything like that, but it’s like how Ferris Bueller said, “How can you respect somebody who kisses your ass?”

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Unfortunately I must agree with this post 110%. Been a player in the game for while now and if it’s all about getting laid and notches you must go with this philosophy of treating your target demographic.

I think it plays on the woman’s subconscious of wanting the bad boy and trying to earn or make him see her as more than a sexual object. You become a challenge and since most women are used to being chased they find themselves chasing you’re respect.

Then you just tell them head down ass up that’s the way we….. ah you know the rest.

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VK is right. You want to get laid you act a certain way. Acting that way causes you to lose respect for women. But it gets you laid.

If you are a guy and want advice on getting laid who are you going to listen to? Roosh with his been there and have the scars approach or Kassy with her “respect everybody, be a nice guy” bs?

If you listen to Roosh you will get laid. If you listen to Kassy you will end up a frustrated beta.

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“If you listen to Kassy you will end up a frustrated beta.”

In other words, you’ll end up Kassified.

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In addition to men being brainwashed into acting like “gentlemen” around all women, it is the power of a woman’s sexuality that causes her to demand men respect her for no reason. By age of 5 or 6, a little girl has learned to scramble onto Daddy’s lap and to manipulate him with flowing tears or a frowning face. He responds by taking care of her every need. Daddy, for his part, is only trying to insulate his little girl from what he knows to be a hard and cruel world. For some reason, however, these tactics don’t seem to work very well on Mommy, so the little girl understands that her power draws its energy from the opposite gender. By the time she matures into a young woman, she’s well aware of the effect she has on the boys around her, how much they seem to lust after her body. The more they want her, the more she realizes the value of her commodity. She relishes in her power, and even laughs to herself about the men who mentally drool when they’re in her presence.

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*your*

ewwww sorry I was writing something else and I tend to mesh

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Kassy — seriously. you are just as anonymous as me. posting your “real name” does not make you any less anonymous on the internet.

You can backpedal all you like.

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y’all be nice to Kassy now. A few more words of criticism and she’ll have a fit.

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ps. using the “only betas ..” argument is really beta.

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Come up with your own arguments.

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28 comments – moves into 2nd place!

Double facial on KassyK!

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In many cases, the nicer you are, the more likely it is that you’ll be treated as a doormat. This is not exclusive to just the guys, you know. How many of you boys lost a great girl because you took her for granted and treated her poorly?

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Hey people quit cutting on my big sis! In our old hometown back in Jersey, men literally throw themselves at her feet when she struts down the boardwalk! When a girl is hott in our town, they say she has “kassability” — thats how much of a legend big sis is.

Love and kisses always, KandyK

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Hi Rob!

KassyK
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I mean…Bob…I mean…Mockette…I mean…Weatherman…I mean…2…I mean Anon…I mean Observer….

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Wow you guys are mean. The only one here who’s made a valid point is Jay Gatsby. Society brainwashes us.

However. I think you are all getting confused. There is a HUGE difference between players (and men who are only out to get laid), betas/pussys/whatever you want to call them, and good men.

I hate spineless men (I enjoy it when people have the balls to disagree with me) and, you all know this very well, women want more than just getting laid. The guy who’s willing to respect a woman (when it’s deserved) and is willing to stand up to her when she’s wrong is a good guy.

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K,

I am not Bob, Mockette, Weatherman, Anon, nor the Observer. It’s nice to hear your sister is hot and guys throw themselves at her. I respect you so much more now that I know this irrelevant piece of information.

Open question to all: Why to some women believe that their quality increases from how men behave towards them? Since when does validation increase one’s self-worth?

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Kassy,

Nevermind. I just saw it was “KandyK” posting the above.

Feel free to ignore the second sentence in the first paragraph of my previous comment. My open question to all still remains the same though. It’s something I wonder about.

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“Beta males have blue balls that cloud their logic. They see assholes with hot chicks and draw the wrong conclusions.
They assume that treating women as dispensable causes a man to have lots of women. It’s the other way around: having lots of women causes a man to treat women as dispensable.”

This is the only real point that’s been made- CORRELATION DOES NOT IMPLY CAUSATION! Take some statistics and realize that trying to be an asshole does not make you hot.

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“Open question to all: Why to some women believe that their quality increases from how men behave towards them? Since when does validation increase one’s self-worth?”

I’ll take a stab at answering. Such women CORRECTLY believe that their quality increases based on how men behave towards them. Although external validation from others is greatly inferior to internal self-validation, the former is how the vast majority of people measure their self-worth. In other words, self-worth is usually a function of how others see you, and that’s just the way the world works. If men see a particular woman as hot, she’ll think that she is and act accordingly. The opposite is also true, which is why the “neg-hit” (or backhanded compliment) is so effective in disarming a woman with an attitude.