Sex Tourists vs. Love Tourists

Sex tourists go to countries with the explicit goal to pay for sex.
Love tourists go to countries with a goal to date women. This may include sex, casual relationships, and long-term relationships.

Sex tourists do not study game.
Love tourists study game, psychology, and other related fields that help them be more attractive to women.

Sex tourists share tips on where the best whores are located.
Love tourists share tips on where the most feminine women are located.

Sex tourists hate American women.
Love tourists hate American women.

Sex tourists think that all women care about are looks and money.
Love tourists understand that human attraction includes a wide range of variables and factors.

Sex tourists go to a city with a goal to drop cash in brothels.
Love tourists go to a city with a goal to start conversations with attractive women.

Sex tourists pack viagra.
Love tourists pack baking soda.

Sex tourists do not have sex without directly paying for it
Love tourists do not pay money to have sex.

Sex tourists pay for the “girlfriend experience.”
Love tourists get real girlfriends.

Sex tourists learn how to say “How much for one hour?” in the local language.
Love tourists spend months doing Pimsleur language audio courses, sometimes taking university-level classes.

Sex tourists rationalize paying directly for sex as efficient.
Love tourists rationalize not paying for sex as real.

Sex tourists congregate on the internet to share whoremongering stories.
Love tourists congregate on the internet to share city data sheets.

Sex tourists don’t care if there are love tourists around.
Love tourists prefer to stay far away from sex tourists.

Sex tourists would consider getting a mail order bride.
Love tourists wouldn’t consider a mail order bride since he can cultivate real relationships from scratch.

Sex tourists get freebies in the form of an extra 15 minutes from his whore.
Love tourists get freebies in the form of a blowjob in the bushes by a girl who loves Americans.

I don’t blame feminists too much for grouping us with sex tourists since love touristry is at the leading edge of the nascent movement, but if they wish to get into an intelligent debate about why we do what we do, the difference must be respected.

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Hi Roosh, Boycott American Women founder here.

I am going to start reading your blog daily, and can you suggest a couple of other good PUA blogs?

I will not even waste time even visiting these stupid MRA sites anymore, spearhead, Avfm, etc.

Thanks man.

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Good break down Roosh! Hey to each his own, but my problem is with those “SEX” tourists who become delusional and actually think they have some real type of “PIMP’ game. While guys like us put the blood, sweat, and tears in to become great at what we do.
http://facebook.com/shonstarr

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Spot on Bro! I would add one more Sex Tourists will not study the local language, Love Tourists understand that language study leads to a more intimate cultural exchange= more intense girlfriend connection. Perhaps this is already covered in the “start conversations with attractive women” statement…but re-emphasis does not hurt!

[Roosh: What a glaring omission. I need to add it to the original.]

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Ha. True. smile
Except I personally don’t hate American women.

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Love tourism is even more threatening to American women, because it’s claiming the desirable men. The Women could give two fucks if fat 60 year old dudes are off the dating market.

“…if they wish to get into an intelligent debate…”

lol

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“Sex tourists hate American women.
Love tourists hate American women.”

Nearly choked when I read this. Roosh, you old scoundrel!

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Love tourists know which places to go to, which women to speak to, and which women to pre-snub.

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“Sex tourists pack viagra.
Love tourists pack baking soda.”

…baking soda can be found in Ukraine….. Stay away from antiperspirant guys or deodorants with Aluminium, it’s the culprit to yellow underarm stains…..

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Why do you care if feminists group you with sex tourist? Weird sense of pride Roosh has by not fucking prostitutes

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Love tourist rationalize paying for drinks/food as not paying for sex.

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“Sex tourists hate American women.
Love tourists hate American women.”

haha, at least both groups can agree with one thing.

Yet, we all know both groups exist BECAUSE of American women.

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I would have to say both have there reasons for doing what they do. Not every guy is looking for a wife or girlfriend. Also some guys are sick of having to game women after years of dealing with American women.
They just want to go to a country and pay for sex with some attractive women. With zero hassles.

Personally I see nothing wrong with either one. Just depends on what a guy wants at the time.

I would disagree that sex tourists don’t do research or learn the language of the places they visit.

Dinner and drinks or just outright paying for sex. One way Is a garantee the other is still a gamble in any country.

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A bit odd that Roosh acts squeamish about how he’s perceived and about prostitutes when only recently he was telling a story about trying to get free sex off of a Russian prostitute with hairy armpits.

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Sex tourists pay for their sex with prostitutes
Love tourist don’t pay for their sex with prostitutes

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Young girls go to spain, italy & greece to meet guys all the time. Any feminist that calls us sex tourists- we’ll have to say you mean like girls who goto Spain, Italy & Mexico? And what about the chicks who went to Alaska? Sex tourists?

And lets not forget the actual girls who are on vacation seeking sex! Scandinavians on holiday and Americans in Cancun/Florida! Real sex tourists!

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You forgot this one…

Sex tourist is upfront about his intentions
Love tourist fabricates an alternative persona and lies about the duration of his stay

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“Sex tourists hate American women.
Love tourists hate American women.”

HaHa. Amen.

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The two categories aren’t mutually exclusive. I’m what you’d call a “greater beta” who does a little of both. During my most recent trip, I both banged a plethora of 8s and 9s in the megabrothels of Germany, while also managing to pull off a one-nighter with a Polish girl in Warsaw. I’m not nearly as adept at approaching and getting laid as most here claim to be, but I’m not hopelessly inept at it either. That said, no American girl that I’ve ever managed to hook up with has been quite as hot as those prostitutes in Germany, all of whom I got to have sex with sans effort in a bullshit-free environment. Sure, it cost money, but considering that I work 40 hours a week anyway, I’m not doing any EXTRA work for the experience, and the money would most likely have sat in a savings account unspent if I hadn’t used it as I had. Taking the shortest path to what you want is refreshing, although I realize that the value is limited. Even the prostitutes who seem to enjoy your company more than others – and I think some of them do, in the way a bartender or barrista enjoys chatting with certain customers – would still not be fucking you if you didn’t pay them. Prostitution’s most obvious shortcoming is that it doesn’t provide the sensation of validation, personal accomplishment or status. (Having sex with a ten, even as a result of paying for it, can possibly improve ones game, given that one will be far less likely to put up with BS from a six or seven after the experience. It can also make one not want to deal with non-prostitutes at all due to the hassle. Regardless, the experience changes you.)

Many here don’t seem to understand that a lot of us don’t really enjoy the environments of clubs, nor do we enjoy the process of trying to outwit women. Men of a certain personality type enjoy it as a sport, but for some of us, it just makes us feel exhausted. What you call a challenge, other men just consider a hassle. It’s a lot of work to expend on a goal that might not be worth the effort and will eventually suffer diminishing returns from repetition. Many of us don’t wish to spend our time that way. I’ll start a conversation with a woman in “low-hanging fruit” situations – for example, if one sits near me at a bar, if I overhear a girl having a conversation that I can contribute to in a novel way, etc. However, I’m not especially interested in making a hobby of it. In America specifically, spending too much time gaming women leaves a really sour taste in my mouth, because it’s involves giving too much value to women who don’t deserve it. In non-Anglo countries where incentives don’t give women as much leverage, I do feel motivated to approach more frequently.

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Well put post Roosh! I have to admit though i’m enjoying reading the comments section more than usual today. Looks like you have quite a few sex tourists that read you, and they want to be understood.

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Pride goeth before a fall.

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Poster 18 had some valid points. If you want to be as rational as possible about it, spending 3,4,10 nights out to get ‘that girl’ that you want could wind up costing you a whole lot more then purchasing that 8,9,10. Especially if your time = real money.

Even though I smashed a lot more girls for free in the last year then most guys do in their entire lifetime, tossing some pocket change at a girl I want once and while doesn’t hurt my ego (I make 10K a week, not sure how Id feel about if I made 20K a year though. I just make sure I get my moneys worth out of her pussy.

I personally would not delude myself into thinking that a girl who is half wasted and fucks me makes me some kind of god. Personality, looks, ‘game’, money, time all have a value. If you dont have a lot of money but a lot of extra time, go that route. If your time is more valuable on any given day and you got money, go with that. Its all circumstance. Not character.

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“Love tourists study game, psychology, and other related fields that help that be more attractive to women.”

Small typo there’ “that help them be”.

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I don’t mind as long as Rakel shows up.

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So what you’re saying is that sex tourists have money…love tourists don’t ….damn you’re right

I like the bushes one…true love

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Sex tourists tell girls the truth about how long they’ll be in town for, they have no need to lie.

Love tourists lie through their teeth and pretend they live there or will be in town for months, just to get a girl in bed. One day a girl will voluntarily want to have sex with me.

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Love Tourist:

Spends ten years of blood, sweat, and tears just to get a few flags.

Sex Tourist:

Gets quadruple the number of flags in a brief time period, for less money and less hassle. Spends the rest of his time doing something productive instead of putting pussy on a pedestal.

https://twitter.com/rooshv/status/244229746681069569

[Roosh: Funny how guys who pay for whores brag about it like they’re accomplishing something. I guess I would too if I knew the moment I didn’t hand over cash, girls wouldn’t like me anymore sad ]

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One argument I always hear from the sex tourist side is the amount it costs to bang an 8-10 in a allot of countries. Where in America you could spend much more and not get anything from a 5-7.

Personally my first trip to Eastern Europe is in spring 2013. I plan to have both options open. If I can pick one of up free sure. If I need to lay out a little cash, I see no problem with that either.

American women hate both sides. They hate the fact we can pay little to have sex with way hotter women than allot of guys could get here.

Or on the other side a guy looking for a wife can do much better in other place as well.

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haha first of all, “game” or whatever you call it is overrated.

“game” usually will get u needy, not too desirable women.

And paying for pussy is a more direct approach, ensures that she wont slip away as in trying to seduce her and is a shortcut to get to her pussy…instead of playing silly body language games

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Call me jaded but the Thailand mongers are making good points in the comments. No fake name (although perhaps a fake hotel to avoid the ladies following them to their real address), no fake story about how long in town, no paying 3x normal rent to live within 10 blocks of downtown, no paying for dinner and drinks, blah blah blah. But alas, no illusion of love for the night either (Is it really love if you know you’ll be dumping her in the morning?). Or is shitting on them by not calling them back, and thinking that ruined their week, part of the turn on? Glass houses and all. I think your trip to Thailand is shaping up to be a Roosh vs. Mongers WWF Title Bout. Should get lots of cross traffic.

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The best country for paying for it, as far as white women go, isn’t any post-Soviet backwater, but in the economic powerhouse of the EU: Germany. Although the industry is present in Eastern Europe, organized crime is involved and it’s easy to be ripped off if you aren’t tuned into the local culture. In Germany, the industry is well-regulated by a non-corrupt government, and you can be confident that you won’t get screwed (provided that you avoid street walkers, who are working illegally). They also have the “FKKs”, which are super-brothels where you can hang out for as long as you want and choose from the 80-100 naked women walk around. Although there are German girls working there, the majority of those I got with were from the former Eastern bloc. You see groups of businessmen hanging out in the bar or around the pool area — seems like a mainstream activity for ordinary guys there.

That said, ordinary women in Eastern Europe are far prettier on average than those in Germany.

Anyway, I don’t disparage the gamers for what they do, but they seem to be trying to fulfill a different need than the pooners, namely status. Sex is just a metric by which they can measure their skill and aptitude at conquering a challenge. It’s still a need, but a secondary one. I get the impression that many gamers enjoy impressing their online friends by reporting on their accomplishments more than they do the actual sex. I confess that I also get an ego boost when I successfully land a fling or a one-nighter, so I know where they’re coming from, but it’s not my primary goal. I’m also not a very groupish person, so bragging rights do not grant me much in the way of tangible benefit.

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Roosh, not all mongers are the omegas that you characterize them to be, although it’s probably true that few are alphas. Many are capable of getting laid here and there, myself included, but not at the frequency you describe. Perhaps if we put in more work, that could change, but we all have different priorities.

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Roosh: email Stickman and he’ll hook you up with whatever he can, would be a cool meeting of the minds. I’d pay $$ for the Roosh + Korski interview.

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Nothing wrong with whores, esp in SE Asia. And for anyone experienced with hookers, it is not just pay the money, get a product. Your experience can vary widely depending on your attitude and attractiveness. You can get a shitty experience or a very passionate one depending on you. Some of us don’t like to lie to women and pretend we want a relationship nor waste time “dating” some chick and having boring conversations over dinner in broken english. Whores are available when ever you want at a moments notice and then they leave you alone until you decide a few weeks later to fuck them again. Regular chicks cost just as much money through buying dinner, gifts and most importantly time, the most valuable commodity. I have done both here in Vietnam and prefer the hookers, even though I have dated a few girls here and have many girls show a lot of interest that I did not follow up on. Some of us don’t need the validation you seem to need from a girl to feel good about yourself.
Money is always a factor with any girl in SE Asia, even with locals dating locals. As all Viet men say “no money, no honey”.

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For all your worldliness, you still have very American attitudes when it comes to prostitution. Most men in other countries have girlfriends and also fuck whores.

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When I lived in Eastern Europe I had a girlfriend, but I went to the brothel a few times with a buddy. It was the “free body culture” thing where they all walked around naked. After I did it I felt bad because I was cheating and couldn’t stop thinking about how I’d rather be with my girl. Not sure how I would feel about it if I didn’t have a girlfriend.

Some guys just don’t want to deal with girls at a point in their lives, and having a safe, legal, outlet to fulfill their baser desires allows them to stay healthy because I really think complete lack of sex is really unhealthy.

Also, some guys may just be off. They may be productive members of society in other ways though and everyone wants sex, so, safe, legal, prostitution gives them a healthy release.

I feel where Roosh is coming from-he just has to realize the people he is trying to enlighten-feminists, American women-they will never accept that we just prefer other women. Women who like our masculinity, who root for us to do well, who reward us for taking them to a nice dinner, who are more forgiving when we make conversational mistakes. We like real women. Thank god they still exist-just don’t look in the States.

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@ Roosh
Any man who thinks he isn’t a john and a woman isn’t a whore is a fool. A woman wants you to pay for her in one of 3 ways to increase her social status among her peers( her friendly peers and maybe enemies and neutrals), her emotional status(gina tingles), and her financial status(be she whore, girfriend or wife etc.). It is only what currrency a man pays and what combination of currencies he pays and why that changes, but he is stilla john. She is still a whore. Sometimes it is less obvious and sometimes it is glaringly obvious. Personally, I’ve come down on your side even if just barely that a aman should endeavor to learn GAME because you are right that a Cad can get sex from amatuer women and a professional(prostitute) women wheras a total whoremonger with no seduction skills can only get sex with professionals. However, not everyone is able or willing to learn GAME. I don’t care how a man gets a woman to volunteer sex as long as no genuine criminal coercion is involved. One day unless you raise your status enough, you will be less likely to get the 20 something year old women you want and will have to adjust upwards to 30 something, 40 something etc. women or pay cash to 20 something yearold prostitutes should you grow old enough. Even if you raise your status to Hugh Hefner levels, all you will get is golddiggers even if they are nice, pleasant, moral and ethical golddiggers.

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@ Roosh
I do blame feminists and others for grouping sex tourists with love tourists a lot because confusing the two different groups is wrong and causes intense harm to the innocent. Prostitution generally speaking makes the amatuer women of the country more agreeable to deal with because all men can go elsewhere. You will find a lower percentage of men who know how to GAME women, but you will also find a a much lower percentage of men who are PUSSY-WHOOPED. If you can’t GAME women, at least don’t be PUSSY-WHOOPED, gentlemen. I advise everyone listen to the rock band’s, Theory of a Dead Man, song, “Gentleman”. Google it now.

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@ Roosh
Feminists and most American women hate men especially American men with options. Please do not fall into the trap about how rotten prostitution is because it is a feminist trap and they want you to think it’s rotten and although they would prefer that you think it’s rotten for their own reasons they will accept your different reasons as long as you think it’s rotten. Feminism more than anythng else squashed and drove underground what we call prostitution around just before, during and after the First World War to limit men’s options. Prostitutes while they are working are consistently men’s best friends among the female gender. They are on average better than wives, girlfriends and friends with benefits on average. They may be limited friends, but best friends they still are to men because they cause less harm to men than the other three as long as they are working and still strictly 100% professional and they are more likely to provide the kinds of sex and the kinds of women want even if their is a financial price to it. If anyone thinks they don’t pay in some other currency then refer up to my post, #36, above. You will pay her by giving her higher social status or higher emotional status or you will pay any combination of social, emotional and financial status if you want to have sex with any woman. AWALT, All Women are like that, is true about her being a whore in some way.

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I tell cute tourist and NGO worker girls that I’m a sex tourist.

American girls, usually disgusted. Look on their faces, precious. And that then American accented “eeeewww, gross!”

European chicks, the opposite. Chicks who understand nuance, the concept of playful sarcasm. One day I’m leaving this monkey jungle of SEA to go enjoy a bit of cultured humanity.

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Sex Tourists contribute substantially to the local economy
(they are buyers of what is technically called an “invisible export”)

Love Tourists, like backpackers, don’t much.

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Sex tourists pay for the “girlfriend experience.”
Love tourists get real girlfriends.

ATLEAST IN A GFE YOU DON’T GET HURT OR CHEATED BUT MOST REAL GIRLFRIENDS ALL THEY DO IS LIES AND CHEATING SO SOMETIMES IT IS BETTER TO HAVE A GIRL FRIEND EXPERIENCE!

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Yes we can stop mongering and do what you do Roosh lol (at least me). Can you stop doing what you do and still sell books? I fucked at least 80 free bitches and maybe 5 pros in the last year, would of fucked more so called ‘free’ girls but ive got more important things to do then to pretend i give a fuck over dinner and drinks every night of the week. Some of us have to get up at a decent hour and cant languish in clubs until 3am (about the time that a very plain looking regular girl would find a very plain looking regular guy attractive).

Approaching a ton of girls that are drunk on any given night is going to get you laid. Its commendable that you try so hard to get laid, but those of us that dont feel like having to waste time on pretense when we land in a new capitol for a couple of days for business are not idiot loser betas.

Everything has a cost. We all pay for pussy in either time, money or both. If your time is worth $300+ USD an hour like mine, then tossing 1 note at a ho is a net gain. For all of your time studying game, approaching, sitting in bars/clubs, ‘daygaming’ are you at a net loss? Whats your time worth? Maybe your CPN (cost per notch) is much higher then you think?

I say fuck as many girls as you have time for. Sometimes that pussy has a direct cost, sometimes an indirect one. The wisest, ‘most alpha’ guys see the fastest/most optimized route to their goals.

Can we even seriously have a conversation about the most principled way to fuck as many girls as possible lol. Its ridiculous.

I think for most of us can reasonably conclude that guys that ‘game’ girls are not amazing gods to women, and that guys that pay for hoes occasionally are not beta losers. Be rational fellas. Spend more time fucking, and less time fucking with your time. Do whats works best considering your circumstances on any given day.

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Maybe we are all John’s, I can kind of agree with that, however, having a girlfriend who likes you and who you care for and protect, that’s something a whore cannot substitute. Yes, ALL women are crazy, its just to what extent, but I still like forming relationships with them whether they are long, short, whatever.

Roosh is pissed, and rightfully so, that he forms better relationships and is happier with girls outside the US and US girls try to disparage him by saying he is just a whoremonger. This is insulting to the girls of different countries and to Roosh. It pisses me off too. They can’t wrap their heads around the fact that American girls are a shitty substitute for a real woman.

I was reading some manosphere stuff tonight, it really is sad how pussy some men have become. The Men’s rights people just fucking whine and whine. If you really don’t like women as girlfriends, why can’t they just pay a whore once a week and do whatever the hell they want to do the rest of the week? Instead they just drone on and on about how they are an “underclass”. I’m still in the states, and yes Europe is ten times better for me, but I don’t feel like I’m in an underclass. I can go anywhere, do anything, and travel anywhere. In some countries you can’t travel to anywhere you want like you can as an American. Yea, our government is bs, but I don’t get these guys. One guy says he’s a 30 year old virgin. Why doesn’t he just pay a girl 150 bucks and fuck her doggy style?

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Roosh seems to derive a bizarre amount of self-esteem from chasing women. For those of us who are just satisfying an appetite, the source of the satisfaction doesn’t really matter. Most guys just want to cum and move on – not make chasing pussy the center of their existence and the focus of their time. That said, I’d avoid pros because they are generally not attractive, are unsanitary and I value my cash more than any woman. Roosh obviously doesn’t share these concerns since he limits his income spending time chasing women and is open to sleeping with hairy arm-pitted whores so long as he doesn’t have to pay, thereby fulfilling some need for validation.

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I don’t see many comments from American women in these sorts of threads. The majority of the name calling (whoremongerer, beta, etc.) comes from your male peers who have invested heavy amounts of time in the “manosphere,” and who are looking to reinforce the belief that their way is right and righteous. I wonder if in other countries there are underground clubs whose members dedicate themselves to debating the best ways to fuck and hate women. Just move on already. If you’re happier in another country, either because the cost of living is cheaper, you feel more at home in that culture, or because the local women are more your type, then by all means live out your life there … we’re rooting for you!! But stop acting like you guys treat South American/Polish/Russian women well. There’s just as many disparaging and offensive posts about them, which tells me that the PUA/MRA plight isn’t so much anti- “American” women as it is just your garden variety sexism. Nobody likes being treated as a commodity … that’s why feminism was born. You guys are doing more to spread feminism than you are to fight it.

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#31 wrote:
“I don’t disparage the gamers for what they do, but they seem to be trying to fulfill a different need than the pooners, namely status. Sex is just a metric by which they can measure their skill and aptitude at conquering a challenge. It’s still a need, but a secondary one. I get the impression that many gamers enjoy impressing their online friends by reporting on their accomplishments more than they do the actual sex.”

I agree 1000%

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ROOSH “But can they stop mongering and do what I do?”

So, what the FUCK do you care what “mongers” do anyway?

If your life was so great you would NOT have the need to try to pick a fight with men who do not subscribe to your way of doing things. But you are desperate to validate yourself.

You’re insecure, and you know it.

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The funniest part of this post was suggesting that you can have an “intelligent” discussion or debate with a woman about anything…HA HA!

Also, game isn’t about wining and dining, dinner and drinks with chicks. If anything, Roosh and other gamers preach against any kind of outlay for pussy. It’s about creating attraction and getting a chick to fuck you that night, or at worst the next time you see her without any significant outlay. They drop money on THEMSELVES, not women.

Also, @41 A, gamers also contribute to local economy. Gamers and “backpackers” pay for a place to stay (sometimes long-term), and have to pay for food and drink. I get that both sides of the discussion must defend their positions, but let’s keep it honest.

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Roosh seems to be crippled by insecurity lately. First picking fights with MRAs and now whoremongers. I come here to read amusing on-the-ground reports, not desperate, validation-seeking philosophizing. OK, we all now know that you don’t go to prostitutes or approve of those that do and you can print this off and hand it to women when you seek their approval. Now get back to writing something entertaining and/or informative.

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Sex Tourist: a man who travels the world to have sex with the conscious and subconscious intent to have sex with the locals.

Love Tourist: a woman who travels the world to have sex with the conscious and subconscious intent to have sex with the locasls.

……