Sniper Game

When a guy first starts studying game, he’s essentially a Xerox machine, mindlessly copying moves and lines without having a clear understanding of their utility. Within a short amount of time, as he gets comfortable with not only the how but the why of game, his personality, experience, and tastes start to mold those initial teachings into his own game style.

In my game books (Bang & Day Bang), I have the average reader in mind. I want the game there to be generic enough that most men will be comfortable using it, but at the same time it should be effective. I’ve omitted a lot of things I do that would not help the average reader, but some of you are curious as to how I currently operate. In this post I want to share my night game formula to help guys who are trying to find their own style.

For a few months in my youth I became addicted to Counterstrike, a game where your team has to kill everyone on the other team. The weaponry you choose should depend on how best to get your opponent in the chosen battlefield. A machine gun or pistol is best for close combat while a rifle allows you to camp behind an object and snipe from afar. Other players hated sniping so much that many matches had a “no sniping” rule. They didn’t think it was fair to be attacked by someone who had superior reconnaissance or tactical skill.

Today I run sniper game, where I process a lot of information in a particular venue to land an easy kill before I run out of ammunition (energy). My goal is to do no more than 3 or 4 approaches before landing a solid prospect. Here’s what I do…

1. Careful venue selection. This isn’t just picking a bar versus a club, but the right type of bar or club. If you think back to where you’ve pulled the most girls, that venue has a lot of qualities which, for whatever reason, helped your success. This can range from the loudness of music, lighting, dance floor size, crowd personality, and bar layout. I find that venue selection is more important than the ratio of males to females. I can more easily pick up in a sausage fest of my favorite venue than a poor logistical venue that has a better ratio of girls.

2. Careful spot selection. Once you find your favorite type of venue, the next step is to find the best spot within that venue. If you like dancing approaches, your spot may be somewhere on the dance floor. If you like talking approaches, it will be near the bar, but where near the bar? There are always a couple spots that people seem to congregate around. Maybe it’s a choke point or where the bartender gives more attention to customers. It’s the spot where if you freeze into a statue all night, you’ll have at least five golden opportunities. When I go to a new venue, I give a new spot about one hour to prove itself to me.

3. Reconnaissance of the females. After settling into my spot, I observe the women. On any given night, there will be two or three that I really want, and maybe five others that I’d bang. All are fair game for an approach, as I won’t pass on a bangable girl for a shot at a “dream” girl. I carefully study each girl. How many people is she with? Is she drinking? Does she seem more interested in dancing or talking? Is she looking around the room? Does she have a ring on her finger? How is she responding to guys who approach her? Is she moving in a sexual way that suggests she wants male attention? Is she more engaged with her friend(s) than the crowd? Is she making eye contact with me? From this study I guess which girl or two would be most open to having sex with me on that night. I keep a stalker eye on them (using my peripheral vision, of course).

4. Wait for opportunities with good candidates. While alone, I wait in my spot for the handful of girls I’ve identified as good prospects to come within reach. I tap her on the shoulder and say my line. I do not engage her friend or group. I can interact with her friend a bit later, but in the beginning I want to see if she is willing to have a 1-on-1 conversation. If not, then either she doesn’t like me, has a boyfriend, or wants to spend time with her friend. Depending on the venue, it may take some time for these approaches to go down.

In the past I’d spray my machine gun all over the place, approaching any reasonable chick, but my close ratio was quite low because I wasn’t evaluating the prospects beforehand. By carefully picking targets and approaching them casually in my sphere, I work less but get more.

Now there is nothing wrong with walking up to the girl you want to approach when she is standing at the other side of the bar, but my success rate is far higher if I wait for her to come to my house. In America, where guys approach like mad, you do not have this privilege and will have to be more proactive, but in Eastern Europe I can wait a while for a girl I’ve noticed to come to me, safe in the knowledge that not only will other guys not approach her, but if they do their game will be amateur hour. On the nights where my spot is not magnetically drawing the girls I want, I slither to her area like a snake to do the approach, but only after my spot has failed to show results. I do not overvalue any one girl in the club—whichever girl comes to my house first will get the goods. In effect, I reward those who either consciously or unconsciously want to stand near me.

5. Screen your candidate. I establish a fun conversation and then grind her through my fuck funnel to see what exactly she wants (i.e. if she’s DTF). Within 30 minutes I’ll have a good idea if she wants to make friends, kiss, go out on a date, or fuck. If I guess we don’t want the same thing, I wind down the conversation and excuse myself. If we do want the same thing, then game on.

6. Run standard game. My favorite type of venue in Eastern Europe is the small club that almost feels like a bar. I find dancing to be important with Eastern European women so I cycle through dancing and talking throughout the night. Sort of like how you may take a girl to two different venues on a date, each cycle of dance and chat distorts how long she feels that she knows me. Within 60-90 minutes, I will go for the kiss on the dance floor assuming everything is running smoothly. After another hour or two, I will try for the venue change to another bar or my apartment. The only two variables in this entire process is if there are girls hot enough that motivate me to snipe and if they are feeling my vibe.

Here are things I DON’T do…

I never sit down. Sitting down is like putting on a pair of handcuffs. Not only does it make you lazy and tired, it limits your range of motion when a girl comes within your sphere.

I do not engage in group chats. I will be friendly for 30-60 seconds with her friend, but I will not start a side conversation by asking that friend personal questions. Girls who insist on you getting to know her friends are not serious about getting to know you. This is common with young girls.

I do not do dance approaches. I find that dancing is a poor way to screen out girls. I can dance for 30 minutes but at the end of that not know how she is like and what her intentions are. I need to communicate with words to establish if the prospect is solid enough. I want the bang, not a number.

I do not talk to male patrons or ugly girls to warm up. I only talk to the bartender and girls I’m attracted to. My warm-up occurs before I enter the club when I watch an episode of Seinfeld. Making random friends with guys is a great way to get your ass cockblocked later on, especially if the guy doesn’t know how to approach as well as you do.

I do not run around the venue approaching every girl in sight. Other girls will see this and be reluctant to indulge in your approach later on. The only exception is when last call has arrived, I have no solid prospects, and the club is dying out. Then I approach at will any girl within sight, running around like a monkey to do so (monkey game?).

Sniper game is for guys who don’t like to dance much, prefer to talk, have generally low amounts of nightlife energy, and prefer to roll solo. It’s something I’ve gradually settled into over the years because it suits my personality best. With enough years in the game, your style will evolve to the point where you can actually name it. Until then, you still have some time until you optimize it enough to reach your true night game potential.

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Matt
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Welcome back!

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i like that your work is becoming more tactical by the day. you seem to have really managed to reduce the game of meeting women down to a game of probabilities and tactics.

i am eager for more advanced stuff like this. the coffee shop seat diagram in day bang actually pre empted a forum post/blog post i was going to write. you have a real talent for reducing these problem sets to their core variables and tuning them like an engine.

may i request a topic? recently i dropped a lot of fat, and nowwomen have been opening ME. its very alien since im used to being fat guy. when they initiate, i just run standard day game, as if i had opened. its weird, i can almost predict
when a girl is about to open me. anyway an updated day game post about what to do when opened would be enlightening. i think its all about the early elderly ramble followed by mysterious guy ‘shut the fuck up and let her talk’ game.

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I wonder if Roosh has ever taken the Myers-Briggs test. I bet he is an INTP. Can you confirm this, Roosh?

[Roosh: Close… http://www.celebritytypes.com/entp.php#Roosh ]

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I agree with you on the not sitting down and the venue selection. Both vitally important.

There is a bar in Arlington that is packed to the gils with hot women five nights a wee, but the layout of the bar/restaurant is so bunk that I can’t figure out where to post up and I never pull from it. But if i go to some of my typical spots in the city it’s like pulling candy out of a candy shop. I rarely miss. Venue selection is a weird phenomenon.

One other thing that kills your chances is going out with guys that aren’t 100% committed to getting laid. I call them the “let’s just have fun crowd.” It’s worthless to go out with them. You’re better off alone. I have a bunch of buddies that denounce the hunt mentality I have when we go out to the bars. But my theory is I’m not goign out to drop 50 bucks at the bar to shoot the shit with a bunch of salami….i’m trying to pull some ass and get laid or at least develop some leads.

So your wing is also very important. I personally think it’s easier to pull when you are going out alone 90% of the time unless you are a with a friend who has your same mentality and desire to get laid.

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I’m not really sure about your stand around and stare at people game. Either it sucks or is truly some next level shit

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This is a great post. It’s very similar to how I operate in clubs now.

I think there is a whole world of subtle shit that goes on at the bar.

In particular, I pay attention to who drinks first, because I’ve noticed that people tend to follow a leader when they take their sips.

Don’t know if this is conscious or not, but I try to make sure that I’m not taking a sip right after anyone else. If anything, I try to get people to follow me.

If a girl is mirroring my drinking patterns, I take it as a good sign.

I think there is a certain amount of social capital you can start out with at a bar. You can squander the capital or invest it. So, I try to avoid talking to, or making eye contact with anyone that can’t help me get what I want.

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Thank you. I bought Bang and appreciate the advice in it, but I know myself, and excessive approaching would wear me out. I’m glad there’s value in being the sniper, even offline 😉

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Roosh,

How does the sniper approach work in day game? For example, how does the sitting thing work during the day?

I dig Day Bang, BTW, great book. I am on my 3rd reading of it.

[Roosh: Sniping is for night game only.]

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Roosh, an hour in one spot seems like a long time if no girl’s are coming around. How do you fill that time?

[Roosh: Once you find your venue and spot, it’s rare to go 30 minutes without a chat.]

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Oh, cool. ENTP? Maybe XNTP. I figured INTP because they’re the deepest thinkers and most innovative with their ideas. Also, when you talk about night game draining your energy, that’s an introverted quality. I’m guessing years of practicing game has made you more balanced.

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So true on venue selection. But somehow I feel that you become a piece of furniture if you overdo it. Best is to have a circuit if you will and then you shall reap your rewards.

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Roosh, great post. There is a reason you are the only person I will actually buy something pick up related from

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Have you ever had the situation, where a tall, pale skinned, black haired nerd came to you and said:

“You´re standing in my spot?” 😀

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Solid stuff amigo.

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Welcome back. Great post, but I think sniper game has one more advantage overall–over time, more sniper game = less saturation of approaches = more realistic female self-esteem. You may be onto something here…

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Epic game post, this is the kind of stuff that got me into the blog/forum, definitely looking forward to more (hopefully).

Many great take aways from this that every guy can apply to his game, one thing that I wonder about is:

“I do not engage in group chats. I will be friendly for 30-60 seconds with her friend, but I will not start a side conversation by asking that friend personal questions. Girls who insist on you getting to know her friends are not serious about getting to know you. This is common with young girls.”

It seems to go very much against the Mystery Method model, of ignore your target, “win over the set”. I’ve never been a fan of that approach, but it seems like in the U.S. when dealing with women in the 21-26 age range, they normally go to the bar in groups, and the friends are always lingering around. It almost seems like you have to shmooze over the friends a little bit, but the test is always whether a girl will leave her friends to isolate with you.

Anyways, I think it’s a great break down and approach, hopefully you’re operating in target rich environment, otherwise the posting up in one spot thing can be a curse.

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Forget monkey game, I call it Pinballin’

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So, what´s the advice for Barcelona? I undersatand that you have been here, but even though I’m over the +70 girls mark there many thing of american game that don’t seem to apply to Spain. Any comments?

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Almost everything you listed, is what I normally do when I roll dolo… and at the right venue, it works; even in America.

Neil Skywalker
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As usual a great post.

Slotbust5000
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It would be great to read about an updated version of you night game. Bang was great, but I want to be one of the guys who is way ahead, noticing important things that other guys let slip.

Someone who is a league ahead, noticing the mistakes other guys are making instead of making mistakes myself.

Everytime you reveal a secret you’ve picked up with game, it gives a recovering aspie reddit nerd hope.

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Great Post. A newbie needs to be like a machine gun spraying everywhere to find what works, while a veteran can find his little niche and get great returns from that.

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Occasionally, you will have a few guys throughout the year who will not understand what you’re doing. They will become a stain and ask if you’re getting a drink so you can move out of their way. I would say I’m not moving and that I’m good where I’m at.

One guy tried to start a fight because I wouldn’t move but the bouncer knew me well enough to eject him before he could go further. That’s why it helps to make friends with the staff if you’re going to be going there enough to be doing this on the reg. Another guy tried to make it a game and stand closer till I would be forced to move. I put him in the headlock and asked if we needed to go outside to get better acquainted. He backed off but my mood was lost. I can definitely identify with this game and it helps if the bartenders are hot chicks and throw drinks your way and talk to you when hot girls are nearby. I’ve had times when the girls would immediately introduce themselves as a result of noticing your social credit in that bar.

[Roosh: Being asked to move is a problem in crowded bars. I am a reasonable man so if it’s really crowded I’ll open up space while not relinquishing claim at the bar (I’ll have a hand on it). But if there is room elsewhere, or other people are just chillin and you feel he singled you out, I stay firm.]

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Good shit Roosh, I have a lot of similarities to your game. Not surprising, considering how I learned this business… I hate clubs in general and loud bars, and much rather prefer to talk in semi-crowded, open venues with plenty of room.

I would just add that you can run this kind of game with a group- I do at least. We take/take over the corner of the “L” shaped bar at our regular spot and it becomes a group-wide spider web. Then again, I trust my friends and they know what they’re doing

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When I first got into gaming I spent the night moving around and approaching monkey game style, then when I took a night workshop with Roosh a while back, he insisted on me standing in one spot in one bar most of the night.

Admittedly I was too resistant to the idea and asked him more than once about going somewhere else, but after I started trying it on my own and made the mental shift, it’s become my default way to play.

It’s especially great for solo nights…once I got over the hesitation of just camping in one spot of the bar all night, I started seeing how many options open up if you’re just patient and chill until attractive girls wander into your vicinity.

FFY, interesting idea with involving your friends…I’ve had a tough time doing sniper game with a group of people for more than 15 or 30 minutes (they usually like to move around), next time I’m out with friends I’ll try wrapping them around the L-shape part of the bar.

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I do da same shit, you just gave it a name…but i like lazy game better : D

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Welcome to the middle age…

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