Some Women Only Marry Men They Can Cheat On

In the past I wrote about an Italian friend who taught me how to play “real-life Tinder.” One of his specialties, if you want to call it that, are Polish and Ukrainian women who are in relationships. He concluded that a Polish woman will only marry a man she knows she can cheat on, which is compatible with my own experiences in Poland. After further consideration, I started to wonder if that could be applied to all women.

In Poland, it’s common to see attractive women with “beetroots,” the local slang for a standard-issue Polish man who always happens to be far uglier than his woman. In a globalized world where a Polish woman can date any man from the world, why marry a beetroot? The answer is that Polish women are aggressive and blatant with cheating.

I’ve seen Polish women grind on other men in the club while the drunk boyfriend was nearby; I’ve heard incredible stories of Polish men allowing their girlfriends to enjoy what is essentially a single lifestyle; and I’ve been on the receiving end of many casual sex encounters from women who had Polish boyfriends. If you have a Mediterranean or African look, it’s almost a guarantee that any Polish girl you sleep with already has a boyfriend, or a man who at least considers himself the boyfriend.

Even when a Polish girl gets married, her eyes stay open for attractive men. I feel almost disturbed when one gives me long eye contact while holding hands with her man. Polish women are smart with securing their future by marrying a beta male at a relatively young age (though that is changing for the worse), but that doesn’t stop their pursuit of alpha cock on the side. This is far better than the American woman strategy of wasting prime years with alpha males to only look for a beta when it’s too late.

Not only does a Polish woman marry the beta male, but she settles on one she know will be so clueless to her true nature that she will be able to take a trip every summer to Spain or Greece with her girlfriends. Sadly, I’ve also seen other Eastern European men get cucked in this manner.

A common manosphere belief is that women want strong, dominant men. This is not the full truth. A woman wants to fuck strong, dominant men, preferably when she already have a stable provider, and maybe even cuck her husband with superior alpha seed, but she doesn’t necessarily want to marry the alpha. There are two reasons why: (1) a true alpha offers little long-term stability since he has so much choice in women, and (2) he can’t be controlled.

When it comes to marriage, most women will choose the rich beta provider who she can dictate terms to over the less resourceful but sexy alpha. In fact, many women specifically marry men they know are much uglier than they can get to maintain a dominant frame in the relationship where the man is more scared to lose her than the other way around.

If you don’t believe me, simply think of all the men you know who are married or in long-term relationships. Are they dominating their women? Are they upholding strict standards? Are they fielding multiple sexual offers from other women? The answer is that a man who willingly gets into a long-term monogamous relationship is opposed to being the real alpha that women get instantaneous sexual excitement for, because to voluntarily enter a relationship with a woman means to compromise and bend your masculine will for the sake of comfort, stability, love, and female happiness. You’re still a man if you get married, but you’re likely not the type of man that many women who already have beta providers would cheat on and sacrifice their relationships for.

The very word “husband” further proves the point. The images that don’t come to mind when you envision one are warrior, killer, barbarian, sexy, or famous. Instead, you may think of words like compliant, hard worker, reliable, hen-pecked, fatigued, and boring. I may very well be a husband some day, so I’m not criticizing those who are married, but the nature of marriage will stuff a man into a beta male mold that then creates desire in his wife for an alpha.

Therein lies the double-edged sword: either you started off as alpha but marriage softened you into a beta or your wife picked you out because you were beta and offered her the comfort and stability that the previous alphas in her life didn’t. If she picked you because you’re a beta, which is what happens in Poland, that means she has room for an alpha in her life, and sees you as someone who wouldn’t interfere with that plan.

Strangely enough, men who are most successful with long-term relationships are not the most alpha. Women want to feel attraction to a man but she also wants to exercise all the options that modern feminism allows her. She wants to work, party with friends in venues that serve alcohol, flirt with other men, and take girls-only vacations. She doesn’t want to be limited or controlled compared to her peer group, and the only man who won’t dare to wrangle her choices is the beta male.

I ended things with one girl because I wouldn’t tolerate behavior that other men she had known would. It’s no surprise that her next boyfriend was not only more beta than me, but more beta than her. When it comes to getting laid, being alpha is key, because it’s raw attraction that you transmutate into fast sex, but it’s not the key for relationships. This is why men who are good at casual sex often don’t get into relationships and men who are good at relationships don’t get much casual sex.

The best solution we have to this problem is to be the alpha provider, meaning that you satisfy both alpha and beta desires within a woman to ensure that a relationship is successful:

The fabled Alpha Provider is the captain of his ship and has the genuine respect and adoration of both his woman and his children. He does not tolerate foolishness in his household and is quick to punish such shenanigans. But he is equally bountiful whereas he rewards his woman for the nurturing of his brood, her sexual loyalty, and the upkeep of his domicile and property. Though it took him quite a while, his patience and red pill wisdom allowed him to successfully find a woman worthy to be his first mate.

The verdict is still out on if this can work in the real world, but it is the one that I am open to attempting. I’ll tread the middle between being an attractive, dominant man while also showing that I’m ready to provide for my family. The problem with this approach is that a woman doesn’t expect to have both the alpha and beta in one man, and they much rather compartmentalize them like Polish women do.

In the end, I rather be seen as a side dick to a girl than a stable provider because then I will experience no hidden deceit in believing she loves me while fooling around behind my back. In other words, I choose truth over love, because I know that if a woman has targeted me for marriage, it won’t necessarily be my idea of what a marriage should be.

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The old Roosh at his best!

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He’s a misogynistic pig, like you.

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Roosh often accuses women of being too emotional to put forth a proper argument. He says they just hurl insults when they are triggered.

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Finally a great post Roosh. That’s exactly what I think about Polish girls. They are surely the most unfaithful in Europe. It’s in their dna.
Have you ever read Lolita? Do you remember what happened to Humbert with his Polish wife at the beginning of the book? (if you haven’t read it: he finds out she was fucking another guy on the side)

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All accurate.
But the dynamic definitely changes for the better once the wife has children.
Her emotional focus shifts to child raising.
Her time and energy also shifts to child raising.
She becomes more dependent on her provider.
Her social status becomes more dependent on people believing she acts like a good wife/mother.
Her SMV takes a large hit because of her dependent child & pregnancy-caused body damage.
She loses contact with her single friends & replaces them with other married couples w/kids.
Of course we all know about married women who eventually take their kids & leave men to give single life another go. But starting a family definitely buys a man a couple of years of good wifely behavior.

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Si should accidentally impregnate a girl to get her at her best?

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Well, actually, that has worked out pretty okay for me (so far).
But as a more generalized rule, I would say that the only reason to get married is to have children.
And that when a woman has children, much of the bad behavior you have described single women engaging in goes (temporarily) away.

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LMAO ….
I hate when people assume the all women are like the one they are with.
If you have to trap someone in to being with you by getting them pregnant and anchoring them down with taking care of your children that is really sad and might speak to the type of women you might know.

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It sounds like you haven’t actually lived through this.

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– Her time and energy also shifts to child raising.
– Her SMV takes a large hit because of her dependent child & pregnancy-caused body damage.

These two facts doesn’t help at all. You are no longer her number one priority and you are no longer sexually attracted to her damaged body.

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If the person is no longer attracted to their partner’s damaged body then they might likely be the issue because that suggests they were not really all that in to the other person in general. If the attraction is mainly physical … how did you expect to sustain a relationship? Did you have a cure of old age and potential illness in your plan. I think the bigger issue is some people just are not that bright and are not realistic with there expectations.

This change for better or worse.

Objectively my husband does not look as good as he did when we first started dating…. but I am still insanely attracted to him.

If you are unrealistically superficial, your expectations are never going to be met from a human being.

Male or female … not a lot of being enjoy being intimate with someone that acts like they being critical of them.

I find a lot of men that complain that their wives don’t want to have sex after marriage are actually to be blame.

When you make a women “feel” bad about the way she looks she is not going to want to strip down and have sex with you. She is going to want to avoid you and likely when starts to get her self in better shape she is going to be looking elsewhere for gratification possible to be spiteful about the way your hurt her. You are better off buying her sexy lingerie as a romantic gesture to make her feel good about her body. Positive reinforcement usually works. She feels better about her body… she feel more comfortable when having sex with you. She feels better about her self… she is more likely to put herself together better and take better care of her body. Also for god sake hire a baby sitter or drop the kids off with family for a few hours each week and go do some physical stuff together ex a walk, run … something.

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This is not about being superficial as you believe. Maybe you are interpreting men after your own ideal. The man might value and love a woman for all she is and be with her for these reasons and that undoubtedly will help with the attraction but on a physical level its another story. Men are much more visually excited than women are. Their whole biology is made to to be attracted physically to the most fertile women. There is no doubt that this attraction will fade after a woman have children, especially if she puts on a lot of weight and lets herself go, the rare exception of woman that maintain her body almost as before do exist, mainly younger women though.

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LMFAO, and what are men’s excuses for letting themselves go and putting on weight, of which there are many? (heard of the obesity epidemic?) They can’t get pregnant and give birth, and yet somehow many look like they’ve just popped one or two out, so what do you have to say for them? At least lay off women’s bodies post-birth, they have a valid excuse.
Besides, it’s a myth that women can’t ever regain their pre-pregnancy figure, many can and do (trust me, I know), and they don’t necessarily have to exert a lot of physical effort to achieve that. Women’s bodies are designed to snap back and recover eventually. They have to if they are to still be considered desirable enough to be impregnated several times to deliver multiple offspring.

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This is a problem some people face….
But others don’t.
Some women actually have education and good jobs and are able to try to manage time to ensure they have time for their husband’s.
Being a great mom should NOT distract someone from being a great wife and you are likely breeding overly needy whippy kids and doing the world no true service.
As I tell my friends over and over and over and over again if you are not having an active sex life with your husband and on you are not on your death bed … something is up.
This good wifely behaviour is a dumb concept.
If your wife is cheating on you it is likely because you are not keeping up your end of the situation. You have lost her interest.
It has to work both ways.

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This is your most sour grapes post I have read.

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Oh come on Roosh. After you spent years promoting and praising Polish girls, you suddenly come with this? I can only hope that few guys ended up getting attached with Polish women from your old articles.

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Observation != Criticism, Marco.

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From one of the old articles: “Polish girls are also much more resistant to cheating than Western girls, even if they’re ready to break up with a boyfriend.”

13 Personality Traits Of Polish Women

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Doesn’t hold true today.

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I guess it only took 6 years for the author to grow up enough to realize that there’s no poosy paradise.

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Actually I started traveling seriously in 2007… so more like 10+ years.

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Ukrainian the same?

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Polish women generally do not cheat, as it runs against their Roman Catholic upbringing.

Here is the truth about Polish women.

https://www.careersinpoland.com/article/living-in-poland/what-are-poles-like-7-truths-about-polish-women

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I think now its more mainstream than before, Polish women were always one of the sluttiest in Europe

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No, they were not.

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I was stationed in Germany back in 93-94, and had me one half of a pair of Polish/German Twins… (they later after things went south, were part of a German Playboy “Twin Layout”… top notch females 9-10 on the Value level)… I was the prime Alpha… Airborne Infantry with ZFG and cheated on her constantly and dealt “Dread Game” 24-7 before the term existed… However, no matter how hard I gamed her, I PCS’d (permanent change of station) in 94 and told her I’d send for her IF she behaved b/c she was a PRIME POA and NUMEROUS dudes were willing to jump on the Ho Train ASAP as I left country, and sure as shit… no sooner than 2 months after I bailed, she “po-go sticked” onto another cock… (I had some bros who weren’t on the ‘make’ for her keeping tabs) When I asked her (long distance back then being $1.25 a minute) WTF was she thinking, she told me something to the effect that “All Polish women take who they want and when they want, especially since I had ‘abandoned’ her…. This article reminded me of that spot on… and she ended up married to a shlub fuel specialist… (non-hardcore service and support dweeb… a real fucking POG (personnel other than Grunt)… and as soon as she made it here to the land of the Big PX, she was calling me long distance, trying to re-kindle the relationship DESPITE being married to said aforementioned POG… I told her Nichts Nigh, and moved on, as I had already jumped on the new base Pussy Train…. Great Article BTW!

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I’m not surprised. The thing that makes Polish women great for fun excludes them from more than that.

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Penthouse Forum is the next click away, bro.

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This post makes the assumption that all girls like feminism and the “freedom” it affords them. But some girls, myself included, would prefer to be with an alpha male not just in spite of his rejection of feminism, but perhaps even because of it. They would prefer to be with a man who doesn’t want them to work, who doesn’t like when they drink, who wants to protect them and their honor. I can’t speak for all females, but personally I would choose a strong alpha man as a husband over feminism’s “freedom” any day.

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Sweetheart, this isn’t Tinder.

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There are probably guys who buy the “I’m a sweet anti-feminist virgin looking to find an alpha male to devote myself to forever-and-ever”-lines from these American white broads. LOL!

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I think most of those posts are probably dudes.

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Why The Female “Anti-Feminist” Is A Feminist In Disguise

if the only thing Western women can find to do with their time now that their every material need is provided for is squabble amongst themselves I’m stayin’ out of it. Can’t possibly bang them all, anyway and thank heavens for that.

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Ana, there is only limited supply of Alphas aka Chads(10-20% at best) and they are slaying on Tinder and are in high demand. Why every woman think she deserves top tier guy if she is not top tier herself?

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Why every woman think she deserves top tier guy if she is not top tier herself?

Because no woman now think she is NOT top tier herself, thanks to feminism. #RIPswimsuitms.america

“A 34 YO English prince married a 37 YO divorcee? Omeeegawd! That means a 35 YO never-married me deserve no less than a son of God with a feet long schlong! Yay me!”

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This is yet one of the many reasons why I as a man, will never ever marry a woman.

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I appreciate your position, but find it odd that you feel the need to be so specific about never marrying a *woman*.

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“…This is far better than the American woman strategy of wasting prime years with alpha males to only look for a beta when it’s too late.”

It’s too bad every 15 y.o. boy in the world isn’t forced to read this in school

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Nice article Roosh. If you’re seriously thinking about getting married one day, let me make you an offer first. Give me half of your money and let me kick you in the balls. If will be cheaper and less painful.

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Thanks I’ll consider it.

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The words ‘alpha’ and ‘monogamous marriage’ are hard to fit in the same sentence. The instability of an alpha monogamous marriage is equivalent to the instability of Francium 87 isotopes which decay in munites or even seconds. It runs counter to hard natural properties to expect one woman to duo bond with an alpha. An alpha has additional nuclear properties which attract more than one female.

TWO WOMEN would work. A tango trio would float the field and remain bonded. The nuclear family is being fluxed with radical energies overpowering bonding with familial nucleii BUT as we know females being lacking of protonic mass so to speak can duo bond with one alpha. The tetrahedron is the strongest lattice structure remember.

TWO LOYAL BITCHES is the solution. In this day of perturbed deconstruction of human bonding, anything goes right? Right. The best hedge against the malevolent forces is TWO breeder women – trained – disciplined and loyal. In public, two women abiding by their patriarchal master brings a aire of pride upon the keeper. Women are like show horses when in public. How they carry themselves and how they respond to their master publicly is a reflection of his skillful craftiness in managing his shebeasts. The ‘beasts’ are tamed and heeled, their silken hair kept combed fine and under cloth and their manner appropriate. Cultural fineness at it’s best.

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I’m married and essentially an alpha provider. I’m able to pull this off for a few reasons. One is that thanks to you and your colleagues in the manosphere I’ve learned to suppress my natural beta instincts around women. So if I’m depressed or anxious I don’t share those feelings much with my wife and if I do, I don’t dwell on it now that I understand that doing so makes me look weak in her eyes, and that looking weak makes her lose respect. I know what a shit test is now (again, thank you manosphere) and although she doesn’t throw them at me as often as your typical Godless western woman might I still get them from time to time and weather them with flying colors and “amused mastery.” I recognize that like most women she craves guidance from and submission to a strong, confident man, so I do my best to give her that.

Most of all though, my wife is a devout Catholic from south of the border and was a virgin until I met her. She never experienced the carousel, and since we’re married in the church she truly believes that she only gets this marriage and has to make it work. It’s a great arrangement, and I highly recommend Latinas who go to church, but I don’t know how practical a solution that is for everyone out there.

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“Most of all though, my wife is a devout Catholic from south of the border and was a virgin until I met her.”

Thanks for importing a Third Worlder and diluting the white race. Hey, I’m only relaying the messages by Heartiste and the rest of the Alt Right claim.

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He lowers the price of overpriced white pussy for you. Say thank you, he is doing you a favour

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White pussy is hardly overpriced. And positron1, according to the Alt Right, is a white race traitor. Do you agree? If not, you are a cuck.

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Anti-Gnostic is feminist troll pretending to support the Alt Right. She has zilch issue with miscegenation as long as it is white WOMEN having fun with Tyrones and Jamals.

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I thought so too, the comment is too trollish. The way I see it at the moment, marrying the average white women (again, I am not talking about unicorns here) is just overpaying for a good that has an artificially high price, due to a low yield, low quality, and an import ban.

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“The way I see it at the moment, marrying the average white women (again, I am not talking about unicorns here) is just overpaying for a good that has an artificially high price, due to a low yield, low quality, and an import ban.”

Exactly what a gamma male says. Listen, you are decidedly in the majority here. And the longer that you remain unmarried and do not sire (white) offspring, the more you are a detriment to the Western Civilization.

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White women are ugly w/0 makeup and have no redeeming qualities.

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Yeah, I’ve gotten that message. Whatcha gonna do. Met her before I was red pilled on race, she has a lot of white blood and the kids looks white (fun fact: there are white people south of the border too). I admire you guys soldiering it out with white women but based on my experiences with them, I wouldn’t exactly want to be you. ¡Suerte!

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Nice to hear. Hope the union stays strong.

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I appreciate that, and I’m grateful for the part your writings played in getting me to where I am today.

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…epstein’s corporate propoganda sabortage.

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“A common manosphere belief is that women want strong, dominant men. This is not the full truth. A woman wants to be fucked by strong, dominant men, preferably when she already have a stable provider, and maybe even cuck her husband with superior alpha seed, but she doesn’t necessarily want to marry the alpha. There are two reasons why: (1) a true alpha offers little long-term stability since he has so much choice in women, and (2) he can’t be controlled.”

Just womens dual mating strategy of alpha fucks and beta bucks. Meaning, she want’s his manhood on HER terms ie, control (which beta gives her) and submission, dominance and great sex, that the Alpha will give her.

From the female point of view it’s clever, and it’s something ALL men must be made aware of. As early as the age of 15 should a young man be taught about this. It is VITAL. Should be mandatory in school, biology class. Which of course will never happen.

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“Just womens dual mating strategy of alpha fucks and beta bucks.”

That’s just crazy talk.

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Quote “That’s just crazy talk”

Not at all, it is biologically hardwired into ALL women, doesn’t mean all of women act on it (because not all can) but when and if they can they will. Nothing to get all worked up about, but it’s good for a man to be aware of.

You need to educate yourself on evolutionary biology my friend, rather than posting dismissive posts based on emotion and ignorance.

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“Not at all, it is biologically hardwired into ALL women…”

No. What is “hardwired” in women and men are the traits they desire in a mate by way of genetics and environment.

“doesn’t mean all of women act on it (because not all can) but when and if they can they will.”

No, you making here a fundamental attribution error.

“You need to educate yourself on evolutionary biology my friend, rather than posting dismissive posts based on emotion and ignorance.”

No, what you are doing here is selling fake science news.

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” No, what you are doing here is selling fake science news”

Not selling any fake science news at all this is all evolutionary biology that cannot be refuted, it IS hardwired, it’s not going anywhere either. Not ever.

“No, you making here a fundamental attribution error.”

Optimal for them is to breed with an alpha then have the beta male raise and support the offspring. Best of both worlds for them since they know the alpha will move on and create children with another hot attractive woman, therefore not stick around long enough to provide for them.

But hey, if you wanna blind yourself to science and reality itself that’s all up to you.

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“Not selling any fake science news at all this is all evolutionary biology that cannot be refuted, it IS hardwired, it’s not going anywhere either. Not ever.”

There is no scientific thing called the “dual mating strategy of alpha fucks and beta bucks.” As I correctly stated, you are promoting fake science news.

“Optimal for them is to breed with an alpha then have the beta male raise and support the offspring. Best of both worlds for them since they know the alpha will move on and create children with another hot attractive woman, therefore not stick around long enough to provide for them.”

That’s called degeneracy, not alpha. The true alpha marries and has offspring. Again, you are promoting fake science news.

“But hey, if you wanna blind yourself to science and reality itself that’s all up to you.”

The reality is you are other than alpha.

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“There is no scientific thing called the “dual mating strategy of alpha fucks and beta bucks.”

Yes there are, plenty of research made, not to forget reality itself when a women will cuckold their beta husbands by letting themselves be impregnated by an alpha male, than have the beta provide for them. This happens to roughly 20%, most likely the number is higher.

“That’s called degeneracy, not alpha. The true alpha marries and has offspring. Again, you are promoting fake science news”

It’s not called degeneracy at all, it’s called a women’s dual mating strategy. It is nature. It is hardwired. You apply your OWN morals to it when you call the female mating strategy degeneracy. That’s all. If she can’t turn an alpha into a beta and lock him down, she will (if she gets the chance) do just what I have described.

“The reality is you are other than alpha”

That’s what you as a Beta would say. : )

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“Yes there are, plenty of research made, not to forget reality itself when a women will cuckold their beta husbands by letting themselves be impregnated by an alpha male, than have the beta provide for them. This happens to roughly 20%, most likely the number is higher.”

You are just making up a percentage. How embarrassing.

“It’s not called degeneracy at all, it’s called a women’s dual mating strategy.”

Which observably does not exist.

“You apply your OWN morals to it when you call the female mating strategy degeneracy.”

Not MY morals, but the norms of our society.

“If she can’t turn an alpha into a beta and lock him down, she will (if she gets the chance) do just what I have described.”

She may, not will. She could, not would.

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“You are just making up a percentage. How embarrassing”

Not made up at all, it’s a sample though, of course, can’t test all. And yes, it is believed to be higher than 20%

“Which observably does not exist”

Women’s dual mating strategy is in full swing, not just among females in the human realm, but in the animal kingdom. You called their strategy degeneracy, and that’s on you. If it wasn’t in full swing those numbers would not exist, and beta males out there would not be raising an alpha males offspring. Full stop.

“She may, not will. She could, not would”

She will. Not may. She would. Not could.

Meaning, she is far more likely to do it than not assuming she can get away with it, as in the majority.

PS.
Clearly you must be a woman sailing under false colors, pissed off about the fact that your mating strategy is being exposed and talked about. I understand that.

But hey, keep telling yourself that it doesn’t exist. What ever makes you FEEL better about yourself.

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@ Eric Van Der Beek

Dude why do you even bother? just ignore “her”.

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@ John

I find her funny, but yeah, no point in wasting time on goofy girls trolling the comment section. But still….she’s funny.

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“Not made up at all, it’s a sample though, of course, can’t test all. And yes, it is believed to be higher than 20%”

Sample from where? What studies? How was the data analyzed? What are the conclusions drawn?

Again, you are making shit up.

“Women’s dual mating strategy is in full swing,”

There observably is no such thing as a “woman’s dual mating strategy”. You conjured it up.

“Meaning, she is far more likely to do it than not assuming she can get away with it, as in the majority.”

That is Fake News on your part.

“Clearly you must be a woman sailing under false colors.”

Actually, I’m a man who is calling out your bullshit.

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!Sample from where? What studies? How was the data analyzed? What are the conclusions drawn?”

From births at hospitals where they test to verify who the father is. Out of those tested, 20% did not have a genetic match to the men present at birth claiming to be the fathers. Very conclusive.

“Again, you are making shit up”‘

Again? Haven’t made anything up thus far.

“That is Fake News on your part”

Nah, it’s denial on your part.

“Actually, I’m a man who is calling out your bullshit”

You’re not a man and you haven’t called me on any BS either, all you’ve done so far is to ignore the reality of women’s dual mating strategy.

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“From births at hospitals where they test to verify who the father is. Out of those tested, 20% did not have a genetic match to the men present at birth claiming to be the fathers. Very conclusive.”

All you did was make something up.

“You’re not a man…”

Actually, I am.

“and you haven’t called me on any BS either”

Actually, I have.

“all you’ve done so far is to ignore the reality of women’s dual mating strategy.”

Which observably does not exist.

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“All you did was make something up”.

No I didn’t, but feel free to keep telling yourself that.

“Actually, I am.”

Actually you’re not, male maaaaybe, but man? Nope.

“Which observably does not exist”

Women’s dual mating strategy is in full swing, You keep telling yourself that it does not exist wont change the facts that it does.

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“Out of those tested, 20% did not have a genetic match to the men present at birth claiming to be the fathers.”

This statement without any source or context is made up.

“Actually you’re not, male maaaaybe, but man? Nope.”

Yes, a man.

“Women’s dual mating strategy is in full swing,”

It doesn’t exist.

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“This statement without any source or context is made up.”

No it is not, carry on now.

“Yes, a man.”

Nope, but maybe a male.

“It doesn’t exist”

Yeah you keep telling yourself that, maybe if you repeat it to yourself their mating strategy (which you called degeneracy) will go a way. smile

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No, a man. And yes, you have no source and no context, just made something up on the spot. And, no, there is no such thing as a female dual mating strategy.

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Polish guy here, screwed so many married girls that i cant be bothered with the institution any more. Moved to the UK, similar standards tbh.

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Polish girls tell me the men cheat as much as them. Is there truth to that or are they projecting?

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Since it is far more difficult for a man to get pussy than it is for a woman to get dick (only quality they need is to look above average and they will live in abundance between the age of 15-25, those are a woman’s sexual market value years) this alone renders her statement false! Beta males don’t live in any abundance, nor do they know how to create abundance, if THEY cheat it is because they got an opportunity to cheat, but it’s NOT a created opportunity.

As for alphas most of them are NOT living in committed relationships but are playing the field, and it’s those alphas that the girls are cheating WITH, they are NOT cheating with Betas on their Alpha boyfriends! The Polish girl was talking utter rubbish, like girls always are. I’m not saying that in any judgmental way either, I know why girls talk rubbish and why they always lie.

That Polish girl was trying to defend her own actions, trying to make herself and her “sisters” look better. In truth, far more women cheat on their boyfriends and husbands than the other way around, it’s a myth that men would cheat more, because although we DO have a higher sex drive (much more testosterone) most are Betas and don’t have, to put it bluntly, access to pussy on tap, so to speak. Only Alphas have that, and that’s want being an alpha means, to have options when it comes to women.

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“In truth, far more women cheat on their boyfriends and husbands than the other way around, it’s a myth that men would cheat more…”

No, men and women on average cheat equally.

“because although we DO have a higher sex drive (much more testosterone) most are Betas and don’t have, to put it bluntly, access to pussy on tap, so to speak.”

If we are to assume that this social-sexual hierarchy is accurate. Regardless, in reality, guys are still slaying poon, and not just the “higher value” men.

“Only Alphas have that, and that’s want being an alpha means, to have options when it comes to women.”

A true alpha is married and has children.

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“No, men and women on average cheat equally.”

No they do not, for reasons explained.

“If we are to assume that this social-sexual hierarchy is accurate.”

Nothing to assume here, it’s the facts on the ground.

“A true alpha is married and has children.”

That would be an Alpha/Provider, and those our outliers. Most alphas are NOT providers.

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Yes, actually, men and women on average cheat equally.

The social-sexual hierarchy is arbitrary and capricious.

And, yes, most alphas are providers.

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“Yes, actually, men and women on average cheat equally”

I see what you did there but see it doesn’t fly, betas don’t have access to pussy to cheat with, and most alphas aren’t in committed relationships to begin with but are playing the field. Nice try of playing around with the numbers thou.

Far more women in committed relationships cheat then men, just like they divorce for the same reason. Full stop.

“And, yes, most alphas are providers”

No they are not, possible some of them started out as alphas, but at that point they are betas. Not alphas.

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“I see what you did there but see it doesn’t fly, betas don’t have access to pussy to cheat with, and most alphas aren’t in committed relationships to begin with but are playing the field. Nice try of playing around with the numbers thou.”

It never ceases to amaze how a patently pseudo-intellectual system—the sexual-social hierarchy—is used to explain how one group of men, compared to other groups of men, are inherently inferior, Men, Christian or otherwise, who create and perpetuate that structure make a series of subjective behavioral and personality appraisals as its foundational pieces. Any protestation about this label or refusal to act in the prescribed manner brings about a pejorative response. It may be “convenient” for men to articulate what they believe are definitive aspects of their fellow man’s conduct because they subscribe to this hierarchy, but what about those men who find definitive flaws in how those decisions were arrived? What happens when those men challenge the structure by arguing that the “unvarnished truth of the structure” is in reality a set of assumptions predicated on sophistry?

“Far more women in committed relationships cheat then men, just like they divorce for the same reason. Full stop.”

No, it’s about the same numbers wise.

“No they are not, possible some of them started out as alphas, but at that point they are betas. Not alphas.”

Clearly you are not married and/or have offspring. The alphas of the world are the providers in this particular case. Always has been, always will be.

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“It never ceases to amaze how a patently pseudo-intellectual system—the sexual-social hierarchy—is used to explain how one group of men, compared to other groups of men, are inherently inferior, Men, Christian or otherwise, who create and perpetuate that structure make a series of subjective behavioral and personality appraisals as its foundational pieces. Any protestation about this label or refusal to act in the prescribed manner brings about a pejorative response. It may be “convenient” for men to articulate what they believe are definitive aspects of their fellow man’s conduct because they subscribe to this hierarchy, but what about those men who find definitive flaws in how those decisions were arrived? What happens when those men challenge the structure by arguing that the “unvarnished truth of the structure” is in reality a set of assumptions predicated on sophistry?”

Nice waffle with no substance. ; )

“No, it’s about the same numbers wise”

No it isn’t, and neither is it when it comes to those who imitate divorce.

“Clearly you are not married and/or have offspring. The alphas of the world are the providers in this particular case. Always has been, always will be.”

I do have offspring, and no, I’m not married. As for those who ARE married, as I said, they might have started out as alphas, but at that point they are betas.

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“Nice waffle with no substance. ; )”

On the contrary, it is substantive and substantial in nature. I wouldn’t expect you to offer a cogent rebuttal.

“I do have offspring, and no, I’m not married.”

You are halfway to being an alpha.

“As for those who ARE married, as I said, they might have started out as alphas, but at that point they are betas.”

No, married men with children are alphas. It’s patently obvious.

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“On the contrary, it is substantive and substantial in nature. I wouldn’t expect you to offer a cogent rebuttal.”

There was nothing to rebut

“You are halfway to being an alpha”

Now you are projecting, whereas I’m mirroring.

“No, married men with children are alphas. It’s patently obvious.”

It isn’t, they might have been when they started out, as I pointed out too you, but they are no longer.

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Again, married men are alphas. They started out that way, and remain that way.

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What Roosh is describing is a common way women resolve the conflict between two fundamental desires: security and fucking alphas. This is not only why women cheat, it is also why so many western women eventually divorce rape their husbands. They want to seek alpha dick then often end up marrying another beta whom they usually divorce.

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SOME?!

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Roosh is back dropping knowledge about Central Europe. Dead on balls accurate as always. Polish girls are some of the most attractive on the planet. However marriage, kids all the BS shouldnt even be considered. There is a guy I know that lived near me there. He has dealt with a nightmare of a psycho girl there. He knocked her up and he essentially has lived in a courtroom for 13 years with no end in site. He even wrote a book about the nightmare.
Idiots, Liars, Psychos and Me: My Bizarre Journey Through the Polish Legal System
John Adkins

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He’s actually decidedly wrong on the matter. And the issue is not divorce laws in Poland, but whether or not Polish women cheat. You are off topic here.

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If I had a dollar for every clearly married/in a relationship suburban white woman who turned up on an online date I made I wouldn’t have to work no more.

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I don’t undeserved your use of the terms “targeted for marriage”. It’s like you’re deliberately falling into their frame. Its not like the woman chooses when to marry you.

TLDR: roosh is a non masculine manlet

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I was fucking a stewardess in her apartment in Singapore when her Polish boyfriend walked in on us (unexpectedly? I think??) He tried to throw me out, but I told him I had nowhere else to stay, so I wasn’t leaving, but I’d stop fucking his girl for the night and leave in the morning if we could just call a truce. He agreed, and we ended up all going out clubbing and he was cool about letting me come back and sleep on the couch.

I ended up liking that dude a lot more than I liked his cunt girlfriend, actually. He was pretty cool, but he did seem resigned to the idea that his girl was always going to cheat on him.

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Unless you have photographs of her, and confirmation from the dude that the events you describe are indeed accurate, it is more than likely you are making this story up.

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My ex-wife, a Russian. Told me a proverb that her grandmother taught her. A woman needs a cow to provide the food, a gorgeous stallion to ride, and an ass to help with work and entertainment. Translation, woman should marry a beta provider, a studly alpha to bang, and orbiters to to fill in the gaps.

Why did I divorce her? Because while dating I was the stallion, but immediately after saying I do, she treated me like cow.

From my relationship I recognize the mentality expressed in the post about Polish women is likely widespread in Eastern Europe

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Actually, Polish women are nothing like the mentality you describe.

Furthermore, that’s not the translation. Women should marry a man that is all three.

Clearly, she dumped you because you lacked those qualities, and you have become bitter. Understandable, but nonetheless a gamma trait.

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Roosh is not alpha, Alphas dont talk or write shit all day long. Only Betas discuss shit , like women do.

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LOL. Now I feel less of a woman. I just married my husband for all the wrong reasons. Roosh takes a knife to love again. You might think too much for your own good. Not everyone has a long thought out motive.

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Haha. You Western folks are so naive. Polish women are no different than Western women.

I think in some cases Poland can be even more ruined because of feminism than WE.