Something Is Rotten In The State Of Denmark

If you follow my Twitter feed or have read this post on the forum, you’ll see that I’m not too happy in Denmark. Stupidly, I locked myself into a two-month lease when I arrived because I assumed it would be at least as good as Iceland, but it’s not even close. Just last week I thought, “This blows. It’s time to tighten things up. You need to make a list of all the countries you want to go to with reasons why…” and then I paused, because I know I did this before. From A Dead Bat In Paraguay:

That night I came up with a plan. With my guidebook next to me and reports of other travelers simmering in my head, I wrote a list on a napkin of the next ten cities I should visit. Next to each city I put how long I was allowed to stay in each, plus or minus a couple days. It was time to introduce a little structure and discipline or I’d never finish the trip. Instead I’d just keep getting sick in cities I didn’t care for and miss out on the ones I wanted to visit most (Rio, Buenos Aires). At the bottom of the napkin I wrote down two rules that became my new travel strategy: “Only go to a city if it has something you want to see and experience,” and, “Only stay longer than planned if you are having the time of your life. No exceptions.” I wanted these rules to last beyond the ten cities I listed, until the end of the trip.

The biggest mistake I keep making is investing too much time in crappy countries, but is that a mistake or just a normal feature of travel? Is it possible to ever eliminate going to a “bad” country? While hindsight is 20/20, commiting two months to Denmark, a place that has gotten zero positive reports, seems inexcusable, even though just a few weeks ago I felt brave for doing it.

I have to come to terms that in the year 2011 I’m not going to discover a magnificient unconquered land. I’m not going to be the first horny gringo to tap a species of women that no one knows about. I will not find the diamond in the rough. There is a reason why men repeatedly go to the same countries in South America, Eastern Europe, and Southeast Asia, and why they don’t go to Denmark, Belgium, and Mongolia. As much as I like to think of myself as a mighty conquistador, I might as well stay in America than duplicate the experience I’m having right now in Copenhagen.

I’m curious about countries like Sweden and Germany, but Denmark has scared me straight. I’m heading east to Poland in a few weeks to begin following the path left by men before me.

I wanted to close out with a little update on some projects I’m working on:

  • Argentina Compendium: This should be out in a few weeks.
  • Day game book: Third draft is done. I’m still on track for a July or August release.
  • Bang Iceland: I just finished the rough draft. Once it’s done, I will chop it up and release it for free on the blog. I’m hoping for a June release. Patience, please.
  • Denmark guide: I don’t want to waste much time writing a guide for a country that I will advise you not to visit, but there will still be some posts about my experience that will help you in a place like Sweden or Norway.

I haven’t taken a break from the blog in over a year so I think now is a good time to do it. Check back in a week or two.

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Libertarian not libertine
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I am American also, if you are really going to Poland you can contact me as I live there and can give you ideas how to live in a normal way.

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good idea to follow the path of others. heading off the beaten path usually leads to getting lost.

any thoughts on which countries you are heading to after Poland?

also, how long are you planning to stay in Poland?

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On the positive side, at least you are having an experience that most Americans don’t have.

There has to be some way to spin Denmark positive?

Maybe pick up some of those Viking dance moves or learn how they roast a whole lamb or something?

– MPM

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Denmark is really tough man. The Danish people are the opposite of outgoing and like to go out in tight-knit packs — to a way higher degree than American girls even. It makes running game very difficult. But it’s still a beautiful country with lots of history and amazing things to see.

In terms of meeting hot Danes, I highly suggest going to the Wednesday night happy hour at the Copenhagen Business School.

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“The biggest mistake I keep making is investing too much time in crappy countries, but is that a mistake or just a normal feature of travel?”

I don’t think it’s a mistake, at least not as much as you do. Your experiences in net negative countries may turn out to be just as valuable, in their own way. But it’s all a normal feature of the kind of travel you are doing, trying to get something under the surface of things. Good luck!

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I have had several wonderful Danish friends over the years in the States, so I thought I would like Copenhagen better than I did. I found it very overpriced and kind of sanctimonious. Nobody was rude to me but people were just kind of in their own little world.

I really liked their art & design museums though. Thumbs up, bigtime, on that part of the local culture.

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If it’s any consolation, Roosh, guys like me learn a lot of lessons from your travels. So, it’s not all in vain.

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Hindsight is 20/20.
Travel hindsight, yet more so.

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I figured Denmark was driving you nuts, got a feeling Poland will be better. Highly anticipating that daygame guide. Question? Are you going to be teaching any classes upon your return to D.C, I need that.

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Would be a shame not to spend a week in Stockholm or Gothenburg while you’re up in that part of the world.
Cut loose and hostel it for a week.
I reckon your mood will perk up!

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I’ve been researching lots of hot Danish girls lately and building up a library – http://ratethisworld.com/denmark

Any special tips (besides PUA) on how to pick them up before I go?

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“There is a reason why men repeatedly go to the same countries in South America, Eastern Europe, and Southeast Asia, and why they don’t go to Denmark, Belgium, and Mongolia.”

Believe it or not, even Mongolia is conquered by gringos, fetching the Mongolian women, giving birth to Mongolian Nazis. Search that shit on the Internet. It seems Mongolian economy has been driven in the past decade largely by foreigners and foreign money.

Probably the remaining last frontier for western conquest at this point remains to be the Middle East, then again, Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan might not be that exotic for you, as you have blood link to that region and so long as you don’t reveal your American identity, they’ll think you’re a local.

Even Africa might be an option, but then again, not all men are into the black women.

South America, Eastern Europe, and Southeast Asia: The hot spots for the international players. Hands down. Throw in North America too, as sex is relatively easy to get there. A European coming over to America might do fairly well. If you want some exotic challenges, East Asia might be an option as well.

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If you’re burnt out on Denmark, why not pack a light bag and head up to Amsterdam for a couple weeks? Then you can head back down to Denmark and close out your apartment. Its extremely close, and you have nothing to lose.

I hated Amsterdam for the first week, as it has a noticeably more commercial and even dirty feel than many western European cities.

But you soon start to appreciate the qualities that Amsterdam has to offer, especially when it comes to meeting women. Namely a coffee shop culture, a great central park, a pedestrian and bike culture (perhaps similar to Denmark), and ease of transportation via bike due to the spoke like layout of the city.

You don’t have to smoke bud to enjoy Amsterdam, but if you do it can help with meeting people.

This area of Europe is where you will find the most English speakers, other than perhaps Germany, and so you should take advantage of that because your going to miss it when its gone.

Anyway, Amsterdam is worth a couple of weeks, imo. Unless you can’t stand the weed culture.

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damn straight, go to poland. you won’t be disappointed my friend. wish i could teach you some of the language but i don’t know how to spell it (i can read it, though… funny how our brains work)

also, good for you for taking a break

(ps contact me if you’d like a guide. i have a friend in poland who is a native and has his degree in tourism)

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haha… just realized that even if i knew how to write in polish i wouldn’t be able to teach you how to pronounce the words and letter combinations

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hydrogonian –

Amsterdam “has a noticeably more commercial and even dirty feel than many western European cities.”

Let me guess, you were in the Red Light District?

5 minutes outside of that place and Amsterdam is classic picturesque beauty.

– MPM

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G,

I agree. I was talking about in the center. I’ve been all through the city, including the outskirts, and love it. But when you first get there, haven’t rented a bike yet, and are used to other European cities, then the center sticks out and can seem like a step down. Even outside of the red light district itself.

But once you get your bearings and get some transportation, it opens up. All things considered it might be my favorite continental European city to spend more than a couple of days in. A lot of that has to do with the social aspect of the city and that everyone speaks english, not necessarily how I would rate other cities if I spoke the native language in each. And north of Paris, it definitely is my favorite thusfar. Although, I haven’t been to other cities in the Netherlands.

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Western and Northern Europe is not the easiest part of the world to get laid.
The concept of strikung up a conversation with a complete stranger is not common like it is in the Anglo-Saxon countries, women aren’t very feminine in their behavior and usually do not know how to flirt, so there is a lot of frustration.

You can always bang the uneducated, tatooed horny female hair dresser but getting good looking women with class takes a very long time.

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Too scared to go to Russia?

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As a whole, high-cost countries such as Denmark, Holland, Iceland, or Western Europe altogether, would not be best choices for a traveller such as Roosh.
They are good places to live because you earn a decent wage if you work there; however, for someone who earns money off the internet and just spends money, definitely lower-cost places such as Eastern Europe or Asia are much better.
I mean, girls are still girls, but 5 Euro buys you 5 beers elsewhere vs. 1 beer in Amsterdam.

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Can´t wait for the Argenita Compendium…

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Stay safe in Poland. Lots of skinheads exist there and dominate the neighborhoods they live in. Also, stay out of Russia, as anyone with a beard is considered a Chechen and at constant risk of skinheads killing him.

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G and Hydro…the government is actually targeting the redlight district in Amsterdam. They want to push out the establishments with prostitutes in the windows, supposedly due to organized crime/trafficing concerns. Who knows how long it will take, but they’re heading in that direction. They’re fine with the smoking establishments though. In the 80s here in NYC, they did the same thing in Times Square, running out the porno theaters and sex shops.

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“This is a post from NoMoreFatChix at Fastseduction

http://gonesavage.blogspot.com

Lol, I actually thought gonesavage was a serious PU coach. That post just reeks of angry guy who didn’t laid.

There is SOME truth to SOME of the things he says though. What WILL be a problem in Scandinavia is that pretty much everything is fucking expensive. But Sweden is better than Norway. It is also true that Scandinavians socialize largely in ‘cliques’. But I always do cold approach, and it hasn’t been a problem. It just makes you stand out more; in a good way.

Really, people are generally very sexually open here, compared to other countries I’ve been to. One night stands are very normal, and it’s not hard to get laid with strangers here.

I’m from Norway.

All you heard is bullshit.

Yes, equality between the sexes, women rights and so on have come very far here. But the stuff you write about is ridiculous. Honestly, your questions are stupid. Where are you from anyway? Did you really think that?

As for LMR and how hard it is to get laid. I’ve been in Asia and South America, and getting laid here is fairly easy. People are non-religious, open about sex», one night stands are accepted, girls above 20 live with friends or alone, and girls like to drink and party. Things are good.

I don’t know who you talked to, but it sounds like some chode who went to Scandinavia and got pissed because he didn’t get laid, honestly. Remember, girls are hot here, but guys are handsome too, so you gotta out-game those tall, athletic Scandinavian dudes. But don’t worry, if you got some game you’ll do just fine.

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Roosh are you negging Denmark?

Smart move if so heh

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Roosh, do you still keep in touch with Karl the Swede? Why not crash with him for a weekend in Sweden if he’s relatively close to Copenhagen?

But I’m guessing you already thought of that and Karl is still in Medellin.

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Roosh,

I have a feeling you stayed in Denmark to prove to yourself and others, that game can trump everything. I think you’re starting to realize that sometimes the environment sucks so much that the ROI (time, money, effort) is just not worth it in some places.

Even if you bust your ass in Denmark or DC you may get worse results that someone who has half your looks, and half your game, and half your money but that is living in 2nd tier city in any Latin American country, or just about anywhere in Latin America.

Life is too short to be fighting an uphill battle all the time. You’ve already done your time in DC, you’ve learned some good life lessons about dating in tough environments that will help you appreciate and do even better in the easier environments.

You’ve also been spoiled by your experience with the women and the dating environments of places like Colombia and Brazil. It will be tough to ever be satisfied with dating environments that don’t measure up.

I think the next step in your evolution will be to try to maximize your time in places that give you good ROI.

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You can live an upper-middle class life (relative to Thais) if you move to Thailand. You can have a different beautiful girl every night of the week for only $25-50 USD.

http://www.whorist.com/

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go to poland! they have some of the best women in the world, but I like blondes…

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This post is made of lose.
Once you wrote that one shouldn’t go to a country just because of the women, but here the feeling that because the dating culture isn’t easy the place sucks is ever present.

For the record: I went to Mongolia, and the place is amazing. Not really great for hookups (even though I did hookup with another traveler), but if this is your only reason for traveling, you’re a loser.

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I would recommend going to Saudi Arabia, Egypt, or Syria. The women there are beautiful and supposedly good in bed.

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Roosh, I realize that it sucks that you are stuck there w/a lease, but thank you for going to Denmark to expose the truth. As a half-dane, I’ve had to put up w/Danish bs feminism for decades, and I’m extremely grateful that your forum has finally exposed how completely overrated and spoiled Danish and Nordic women are. That picture you posted on Twitter was hysterically funny and completely true – that’s what the average Scando woman looks like.

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http://www.heretical.com/toa/toa-s30x.html

Base and Spoiled Female Syndrome

This was a report on women in Amesterdam during the 90’s (i think?). I suppose it’s applicable to Denmark women too, given their proximity.

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@ samseau

That’s unreal. And yes, you are absolutely right. Denmark and the Netherlands are essentially the same country – except Denmark is more upfront about it’s blatant racism and on/off again love affair with fascism.

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@samseau…I can say that I’ve seen many of these traits in American women, which we’ve discussed at length here. The problem is when even average looking, or even BUSTED women act entitled. I’ll never be able to wrap my head around that.

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I went to Poland (Warsaw) for 4 days in December and had the time of my life. The girls are amazing and most of the guys there have little to no game. Its one of the few places I know I’ll return. For girls, I actually preferred it to Rio. I hear Krakow is even better than Warsaw, and will go there later in the year.

Amsterdam (my home city) is absolutely amazing in the summer, although having a social circle is a big part of that and breaking into one as a foreigner can be tricky (the Dutch like to stick to themselves). Even if you’re not into any drugs the place is amazing. Of all the cities I’ve been to, this is where I like to be in the summer.

A while ago I did a 4 day trip to Budapest, which was fun but we had 0 success with the girls (the same guys I went to Warsaw with, all got success there).

If you do pass by Amsterdam, hit me up!

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And re the girls in Amsterdam, yes they can be tricky if you’re not used to them. I’ve lived here for 21 years and am still figuring them out.

But once you know where to go and which approach to use, your effort will be well rewarded wink

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Don’t bother with Sweden, Roosh. Even The Onion thinks that it is a waste of time compared to the States.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/hosteldwelling-swede-getting-laid-bigtime,1470/

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“Never fight a beta male’s battle. Even though you’re doing him a favor, he’ll resent you for bringing his weak character out in the open.”

The only way to properly deal with a beta male is to put him in his place. He’ll be eternally grateful for it one way or another.

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Not sure if you’ve given this much thought, but …

Iceland is in Schengen, which means you’ve certainly already overstayed your entry visa (90 days within a six month period that begins when you enter Schengen).

Poland is also in Schengen but when you leave Poland (probably by train to some exUSSR place) there’s a good chance that you’ll be barred from re-entering Schengenland for some time.

There is an urban legend that leaving Schengen ‘resets’ the clock for another 90 days but that is not the case (it sort of once was but isn’t now).

Also, within Poland (as a Schengen border country) there are random, periodic checks by border guards (straż graniczna) who are authorized to check anyone anywhere. I often see them in train stations. Just don’t draw attention to yourself in places you see them.

http://www.garnek.pl/ledar30/11357050/straz-graniczna-na-dworcu

Also don’t expect Polish border guards to understand English (or be able to distinguish an American from an Afghan refugee by accent if they do).

I would also advise against initiating a bribe scenario with them. (If they are on the take, they’ll bring it up). If you insist, drop it at the first signs of disapproval. Bribes are the rule in some countries (like ex-USSR or Romania) but not so much in Poland (at least not with border guards).

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I think you did better in S. America in part because you you pass as being from S. America.

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South Park season 12E4 “Denmark is the Canada of Europe”

Getting a flag in a place where you won’t come back, what for?

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@Cliff Arroyo

“There is an urban legend that leaving Schengen ‘resets’ the clock for another 90 days but that is not the case (it sort of once was but isn’t now).”

What the fuck are you on about? In 2007 I did just that, which allowed me to stay in France for about 5 months (with 2 weeks in China in between. And I had a friend who lived in Austria like that for a while.

MAYBE what you mean is that some border guards are smarting up to these tactics and won’t let you leave Schengen for a day or two and then come back repeatedly. But otherwise, this is exactly how it works.

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@47 Boston…I would think getting a flag in a place that you wouldn’t return to makes it easier to scratch it off your list forever. There’s pride in getting a notch in a difficult place. It’s better to endure the challenge and know it isn’t worth a second trip than to not go and wonder if you could have met the challenge.

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hey French Connection,
are you posting on the forum? I might go to Amsterdam soon. send me a PM.

Bollywood Babe
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How about India?

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#40: “The problem is when even average looking, or even BUSTED women act entitled. I’ll never be able to wrap my head around that.”

Why do you care about average or even BUSTED women? I thought you self proclaimed masters of seduction don´t waste your time with such?

@Denmark:
#26 is right. Maybe you aren´t tall, genetically valuable and handsome enaugh, or your “game” sucks.