Start And Finish With The Same Game

When it comes to applying game for the first time, most men become surprised at how quickly it works. From trying a new technique or line, they begin receiving positive responses from women that they haven’t before. With this great discovery also comes a downside: you must keep applying this game to sustain the relationship. A man must use any game technique for as long as he desires a sexual relationship with any woman, and can never take off the game mask that got her attracted to him in the first place.

You probably already know that women like men who treat them poorly. This occurs because they are attracted to high value men, and nothing declares to a woman that her value is lower than a man’s when he simply doesn’t care about acting respectful, nice, and polite in her presence. Therefore if you approach a woman in a bar with an asshole type of game and eventually get her into bed, you must maintain the asshole facade in perpetuity, because it’s exactly that type of game which got her attracted to you in the first place.

The biggest game mistake you can make is to relax the initial game that hooked the girl. I’m not a natural seducer, so when I leak out my normal non-game self to girls I’ve been having sex with, I soon experience various bouts of flaking and emotional outbursts that suggest her attraction for me is waffling.

This leaves men who aren’t naturals at game with two options. The first is to apply game as long as it takes to get a couple doses of sex and then ease more into his natural character. This allows him to more or less “be himself,” but it runs the risk that the girl will get bored of his natural self and move on. The second option is to wear the game mask for as long as he’s with the girl to keep extracting sexual rewards from her. It’s clear that the second option is most economical so that men do not keep losing their sources of sex.

What this means is that you must find a functional game that you don’t mind always applying, and it has to be effective enough to get you the sex you want. So while I don’t enjoy being an asshole to women, I don’t mind applying other techniques that attract them: being overly cocky and funny. I can be cocky and funny until the cows come home without any inner conflict, and thankfully this is enough for me to receive and maintain sexual relationships. If it wasn’t, however, I’d have to find another strategy that I could always use when in the presence of women. (One of the reasons that a place like Ukraine is laborious for me is that the game I like doing is not particularly effective.)

A long time ago I used to believe that once you had sex with a girl, you could drop the game charade and more or less be yourself. Unfortunately this doesn’t work, and proof of that is the web sites that now teach married guys how to game their wives so they won’t divorce them. The non-traditional world we live in now means that game must always be applied when you want to maintain sexual relationships.

Identify a functional game that you don’t mind always running on women and then stick to it, because unless you’re a natural, you can no longer be yourself with women. I’ve chosen the game techniques I feel comfortable doing, and so I will use them for as long as I enjoy sex.

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Sad but true.

Roosh, would you rather have lived 70 years ago and been ignorant but bliss? Or are you happy you’ve been forged in fire and seen the true nature of women, even if you have to game them 24/7 and hide your natural state of being?

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No way to answer that, but I imagine that 70 years ago I would have married the first girl I had sex with and been a good provider and family man. Being a player was a choice I made, not my natural instinct.

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Third option : internalise your game into your core character.
Less exhausting, more authentic, more rewarding.

Roosh, I fully agree with you on the imperative of behaving the same from beginning to end with each girl. But to me, the goal of the game remains to behave like you want to behave, whatever she thinks of that.

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Pikatchu!

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Roosh
What style of game sees the best results in Ukraine and Poland?

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The tyoe of game that doesn’t work in feminazi Toronto. Fuck the Conservative government and their white knighting.

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Do NOT blame the government, blame sheeple who keep voting that and other governments in.

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Toronto is an anti male pinko asylum. Those claiming equality are the most tyrannical and judgmental- they know nothing about civil rights, free speech, or individualism. Any self respecting man would not have any ties with a commie nut house town like that and its women. They probably
Think a gas pump being put in a tank for fueling is a mysoginistic act that’s a methaphor for the “patriarchal exploitation” of today’s woman as she refuels her car (that was engineered built and sold by men) to go max her credit cards out at Macy’s.

Read Germs and Steel and get off your Lindie West twitter fan page Toronto.

Ps-
The teen age boys today rasp when they speak and our economies are about to collapse nothing like a feminazi culture to elevate posterity.

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“Cave Man Game” …. “Long-Term Provider Game” …. & “Vague Game” work just fine in both countries. (Been to Ukraine 3 times, Poland 2)

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roosh made a post about World Game. its in the Roosh V top posts on the bottom of this website.

been to poland & i can tell you Desire/60 method + world game = gold

World Game is my default game as its most natural to me (i didnt grow up in USA), everything else (60 method + SS + indirect-direct) is layered on top & used as needed)

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Just like Sweater from Neil Strauss` book. The second he abandoned his game his wife he gamed into marriage turns on him.

Recently I have heard about multimillionaires with companies that are taking lessons in gaming because they simply aren`t good enough as themselves. It`s really coming to this.

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Sorry man but these men are socially stupid (definitely not financial) for not moving to EE.

Roosh have you became a multi millionaire yet?

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If at any point, a girl you want to keep on the hook, during a tension or fight session perceives you as NOT being the man you presented to her which attracted her, 10/10 times she’ll stray or lose interest.

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This is one my fundamental gripes with game. In the short-term it elevates your value to a woman tremendously, but just like cosmetics it eventually comes off and your value disintegrates. I realized this fact when I was in my mid 20`s and decided to focus on career building (it paid off, I make 140k/year at a legit job). I reasoned that if I had money and went to the gym regularly I would have enough “passive value“ that I wouldn`t have to game my gf or wife. It seems like I was wrong.

I haven`t seen this talked about but I imagine getting the woman to invest in you would anchor your wife next to you. Something like becoming pregnant and giving birth to your child sounds like something a woman would not be able to walk away from. Unfortunately, the government has managed to fuck even the top percentile of earning men by providing welfare and undercut their value as a providers. So now the answer is to game a girl into your wife and keep gaming her because the second you let up she`ll leave you for a bad boy? This is really getting too fucked up for me to believe. The only women that will stay loyal are those that are fat, ugly and in their mid to late 30`s.

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Save your $ and get enough passive income from investments so you can live in a place without a nazi government and feminist brainwashed women.

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Sarcasm alert..move to Toronto, Ontario, Canada! sarcasm off. The white knight Conservative government in Canada suck cock when they pandered to the sloots. I’m not even a fan of the Lie-berals…who am I going to vote for, Justin Trudeau?

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How about you vote with your feet and leave Canada for good? wink It ain’t that hard after all.
Again, do not blame the government, blame sheeple who vote that government in.

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It’s funny because I’m actually a Toronto native that’s moved to Australia permanently. There are no quality jobs in Toronto and competition is fierce. Women are pretty terrible like Roosh has already highlighted in his articles…but to be fair Australian women are actually worse. They are fat, ugly, have terrible personalities and the ones that are decent are hounded by a hoard of men.

Even with game your odds do not look too great in Australia. This place undercuts my value as a provider like…10 fold. The welfare system here caters well to women much better than Toronto ever will. Welfare gives women 600AUD every fortnight and let’s them go to university at no cost! If they get pregnant with a bad boy that leaves them they just get more money. This place has the worst quality of women I’ve seen and discourages me from even trying to find a wife. I’m considering going to Ukraine or Poland to see what’s out there…I’m not kidding.

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Come to Poland, find a wife, get married, have children.
Start a business, IT or similar, settle here.
We need people like you.
There is still hope – younger generations here (age 15-24) has more conservative approach to life and beliefs than older one (24-39). Libertarian movement is on the rise (like from New Hampshire), I think we shall prevail western socialism, as we did the eastern one.

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Where is this place? The world is getting smaller in a bad way.

PS it’s not the uk, this place is done

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Russia, Ukraine for example. NO political correctness, affirmative action, quota hiring etc.

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Fewer whiny minorities.

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Don’t bet on the fat-ugly ones either. They can only go so long watching the sexy girls getting treatment they don’t without joining in. I’d guess it really is getting that bad.

A cop I recently spoke to said that so many of the calls they take involving anything disturbance related, 95% of the time is some b.s. a woman is projecting about a man.

Despite him knowing it’s obviously the crazy bitch causing it, he has to enforce the laws and keep the peace, while are getting fucked over constantly.

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Then he is part of the problem.

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“The only women that will stay loyal are those that are fat, ugly and in their mid to late 30`s.” Sorry John, no salvation to be found with the ‘Lindy Wests’ of the world either. The anglo world incentivizes frivorce, sooner or later your ole’ mare’s gonna’ start eyeing that large pile of hay you got stashed out back in the barn.

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The only way to find a woman to love you for you is to be broke and meet her like that. Even then it’s a gamble. But you make too much and will flip the provider/theft switch. There’s no point to having a good job to have a wife as the women are messed up these days.

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You can always live like you’re broke. There’s nothing wrong with that.

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Yup it is pretty sickening, to keep a decent girl long term is simply put impossible in the west, some bad boy just needs to show flash in the pan game and will be fucking your wife in minutes despite years of your own hard work. There is nothing you can do, it just isn’t worth it.

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Rent, don’t buy.

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Not even them. Women are as loyal as their options.

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Maybe I’m not well versed into this, but wouldn’t it be simple to do this once you have reeled her in, as it were: make it clear you have options and she can stay if she likes or she can leave if she doesn’t. Simple to bring up and puts you in a good frame. Or

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No. She doesn’t make the rules. You are a man. You make the rules. You rule your domain. If she leaves you, she is essentially doing you a favor. If she stays with you, you’re doing her a favor. Believe these words & you will be a much more dominant man.

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You haven’t dealt with family court, have you.

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No. 33. Lived in small towns in USA, never married

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Your experience has been fortunate compared to many other parts of the nation. Unfortunately, it is no longer the norm.

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Do a christmas special where you sell all your books for a really low price so I can snatch them up bro

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Do a christmas special where you sell all your books for a really low price so I can snatch them up bro

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he has sold e-books with extras for 5$ in the past…
sweet deals are to be had

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I don’t get it Roosh. I would have thought that you would have internalized a Game that fits yourself.
I am not a natural seducer myself, but even before Game knowledge I sometimes used unconsciously Game concepts to get laid, which I only later found out how to improve upon. Game becomes a part of yourself.
The asshole vibe is of no use for anything more than a ONS unless you are an asshole. I believe that everyone has a Game archetype he feels comfortable with – Strong Silent One, The Amused Master, The Amused Mature Men, The Cocky Funny One etc. Sure there are certainly countries and places where your particular kind of Game will hardly work, but all it takes is to shift to the environment you are comfortable with and be just yourself – your improved self with Game.
Also relationships – if a woman does not like your real you even with some added improvements via internalized Game, then she is not right for you anyway. Good LTRs are one in a 1000 even in Eastern Europe or the FSU.

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I agree with the archetype idea… My archetype is certainly not the Jersey Shore idiot-asshole persona. But I think Roosh is right that in general treating a girl like she is beneath you turns her on. Showing ANY thirst whatsoever (any realistic need for normal human contact) makes you beta in their eyes.

But some Game/Seduction tropes are pretty much universal I think…
Whether you’re introvert or extrovert or this archetype or that archetype, pre-selection works, jealousy works, teasing works, demonstrating higher value works, etc.

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We live in the age of female lust and social engineering.
Now they’re after ‘extremists’ like Dapper laughs and game aware guys.
The women will follow the social tide.
That tide means a sexless society where all work for scraps.

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Man that sucks if that’s accurate.

No one to fall in love with? That’s as dismal as anything out of AClockwork Orange.

Why were even born to ejaculae in random women? That’s a crappy life. I still believe in love. There’s more to life than just ejaculation. Without love a man is nothing.

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I doubt that Roosh had a lack of pretty and LTR worthy girls who fell in love with him and desired more than just being fuckbuddies.

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I recently took a short trip to a random town, and was not running game but was getting approached by women. Could be that the total population in the town was very low. I was wearing what I normally wear at home and sleep in (sweatpants). Although still perplexed, I have decided to travel non-stop, once I get the funds. This has happened before and all I can say is that women know when you are happy, and I do feel a bit unshackled when traveling.

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New cock = gets them moist

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Its funny you posted this today because I realized this a couple nights ago.. with a touch of frustration…

A couple nights ago I randomly ran into an old-flame from last year/earlier this year and was genuinely happy to see her. I initially got her into bed by portraying myself in a way suggesting “I’m cooler than you are and I’m going places, you aren’t really that important to me”. I ran that game constantly the whole time… brushed her off… told her she was a slut… hinted that she couldn’t compare to my ex lovers…. introduced her to other girls I was banging to spark jealousy… the works (Which is not actually natural for me. I wouldn’t behave this way if girls wanted to sleep with the nicer side of my personality)…

Anyways I haven’t been gaming hard the last few months because I’ve been entirely focused on finishing school and figuring out my future, so my game was/is very rusty. When I ran into her I actually wanted to have a conversation with her and catch up and I think I showed a hint of thirst in the process. What used to be sexual innuendo and her chasing me went flat… in a matter of a few months (wonder how many tens of other guys are trying to fuck her). For me maintaining a harem takes work… I gotta figure out how to balance keeping girls interested with career building.

This post rings completely true.

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Something similar happened to me. Had a chick who chased me in grad school while I was aloof as fuck. Ran into her a year later at a party, let my guard down (granted I was pretty drunk) and was a little too eager in my conversation. I also believe I uttered the words “My job sucks” when she asked how I was doing after graduation. I saw her face snarl at that point. I knew whatever spark we had was gone.

I think that was the last time I talked to a chick like a dude – even when drunk. You can’t show the slightest bit of weakness or loss of control over your life to a girl. Especially a 7 or up (which this girl was). At first it feels like game, but now it just feels natural. I have a Dude Mode when I’m with friends and a Girl Mode when girls are around. This is just how it has to be.

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It’s F*cking retarded but true – you gotta keep the frame.
But the frame doesn’t necessarily get you the girl who is gonna be there for you when you’re down.
Western women are F*cked up. The society is finished and the ‘proles’ have yet to find this out the hard way.

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I do that too. About 3 years ago I began to think of my conversation with a girl as a rising or falling “stock” … Once my stock reaches what I believe to be a maximum point, I simply clam-up & ask questions to get her to do all the talking. (Because hot girls like to talk about themselves as we all know)

Basically is what i’m trying to say is, once I feel like I’ve gamed her well & continuing on with a possible error will only hurt my game, I attempt to “Cash-in on that stock” or “Let it appreciate”

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Here’s the thing, a lot of game guys ive seen recently dont realise most game is like trainning so you gain the skills, then you can go be ‘natural’ with out thinking of it. Do 100 bats practising but it’s not practise when you step up. I think a lot of guys don’t realise that and constantly do practise.. Instead of finally leaving it behind. It seems like a wrong headed mindset. They never become the cool confident men they were training to be.

Other than this, you’d game to get chicks you have nothing in common with, with no interests, in place you dont like, and only see as sexual experiment. Fun but tiring. Why not go for the real thing.

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The problem is that the reality of female nature has not been internalized. Internalize game and you automatically never build your life around a woman. You never are emotionally attached. You next when she crosses the line. A soft next is simple non-compliance. I’d leave a wife and kids before I’d be her bitch in front of my kids and loose respect and influence forever.

women << men

Live that way. Emotionally belief that. I'd rather work on my attractiveness than chase more. Am I getting laid, no; but am I getting screwed? NO! If you are not the best sperm donor out of her 500 choices, she thinks sex is an affront to her humanity. You've got to be the prize or next her. That is the only cure to woman troubles. Chase only for fun or practical learning. It is no way of life. My goal is to be balls deep in 30 minutes or less, not to 90% of the way to being the prize and to pussy beg the last 10%. They suss that out and use that emotional attachment for evil against you. You either trigger adaquate female utility to you or next her. You must only wear emotions that benefit you. Enjoy the sex without losing joy if you need to next. Don't miss what never was and never could be because, surprise!, AWALT.

If you put that dignity on yourself to be the prize, yes, you will loose sex, but sex at 4am after jumping through hoops four hours, I know that I don't want that shit. You've seen how the top guys get it eazy. Get as close to that status as possible. Takes years, but women do NOT see the world or you the way you ever could see the world or yourself. You can be the #1 sperm donor in her world more than you think. Instinctive attraction, instinctive response, is NOT a choice. Treat all the sheeple like sheeple (don't say it though, duh) and get the social leverage and mondane sheeple skills you can. You can't always be balls deep with women in your company. lol

Those reflexive sheeple skills without sexual intent are the foundation of your sanity with women. It is impossible to attract a woman if you can't open a set, talk platonically, and exit without it being weird. If you have not internalized, you have more to learn, maybe the mondane stuff. I have a lot to learn, but I also have a lot to say. I am speaking from experience and my intent is to give back. We are learning as we go because the role models of our fathers were shit and we were thrown to the propagandizing sheeple like they were human.

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This line:”The problem is that the reality of female nature has not been internalized. ” < Amen. When this hits me the hardest, as Roosh would say, is when a woman is her truest self …during the act of fucking her. I had an epiphany of this when a particular girl I was giving crazy orgasms would comment on how great the sex was, still trembling, then like a switch, be able to turn on or off the affection, even though I still felt "close" to her in some ways.

Many here would say:"Oh dude you're just banging a whore," but I began to notice it with other girls I was with who were different types, but that remained common. I'm not one for lovie talk after sex either, but I don't entirely close them off either. It later dawned on me that when I quit even noticing she was flipping that switch post sex, I had internalized what women really were and their female nature.

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It’s insanely irrational to take the behavior of one or a few women and extrapolate it to female nature which leads me to believe you’re making plenty of other mistakes in everyday life. You’re just whiffing it so hard here…if anything women are several times needier/emo than men on average. You just sound like the typical needy beta that would rather latch onto an excuse beyond your control than figure out what you’re doing wrong.

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“you can no longer be yourself with women,” and with that, interactions with the female species will remain less natural for most men, until the whole lot of us evolve into something entirely different that what has become the status quo.

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Brainwashed zombies? The walking dead? I think we’re already there…

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1 Thing I really liked about this article is how Roosh said it used to be once you banged a girl, you could be more yourself more so, but not anymore. Paralleling Roosh’s discovery of this, I’ve recognized the exact same thing in the same time frame…. about the past 2 years.

I think we’re seeing a social evolution, due in part to dating sites and social media, where the level of hypergamy has increased to a greater risk of losing a girl for any minor mistake. You just can’t afford to make those mistakes as much as you could just 18 months ago..even in marriage or LTRs, it’s really evolving quickly IMHO. There is little consequence for entitled, snotty, 24/7 shit-testing, slutty behavior. These whores have just too many options from an increasingly growing pool of thirsty men.

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Soft harems (a gaggle of fuckbuddies) are a temporary solution.

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I predict monasteries will see an increase in enrollment as men seek religion to give them meaning since starting a family with a decent woman will be increasingly out of reach.

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Makes sense. I have been looking into Buddhism lately.

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God will never help you. You couldn’t even get laid in Toronto, like all the other misogynist creeps out there. Women in Toronto have standards and Toronto is the best city to live in the world. God punishes you as you reach your 40s and no woman will want you Roosh. Your days as a player are declining, and women in Toronto know that your scum. Women in Toronto have better bodies and brains than those women abroad. Thank GOD that the Canadian federal government is doing their best to protect women from horrible monsters such as the losers who look up to sexually harassing women on the street with corny one-liners.

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1. The only “standard” Canadian women have is MONEY and how to sell themselves to the highest male bidder on a dating market.
2. Toronto is the dumpster of the world collecting all the 3rd world scum, criminals and refugees. I bet you’ve never been outside of your beloved Toronto.
3. Canadian woman and “a good body” are two contradictory statements;)
It’s enough to get out on the streets of any Canadian city to find out that you are VERY wrong with your statement about “Canadian women with great bodies”;)
4. You are yet another feminazi clown living by politically correct agenda.

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How much crack did you smoke before posting?

Toronto has good bodies- chicks I’ve met from Tornto were about as sexy as Marth Stewart and as weird as Martians. I think you Communist-Rothschild Zionist inspired brainwashed clowns must get abducted a lot by Ashkenazi Reptilian flow ufos.
Have you found the Sumerian texts the Illuminati want in Persia yet? Ask the Aliens when they abduct you next time ok cosmic glow?

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The problem with Toronto is that using game that works in the USA, is looked as creepy in Toronto, and that cockblocking and feminists make it worse.

The only game that works for sloots in Toronto is money, money, and more money. A sloot in Toronto would do anything for money, drugs or money.

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True that, Canadian women are only and entirely interested in money and status in the society!
But again, blame males who’ve lowered their standards and abandoned selection criteria thus permitting Canadian feminazis to behave this way.

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My wife, along with other independent, educated and ambitious women in Toronto work over the $80k a year bracket, and do not need your money. You are a loser who can’t get laid. Women in Toronto are healthier and richer than your mail order brides from Eastern European countries. The government should ban mail order brides and charge the men who order the brides as sex offenders.

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Again, who the fuck are you trying to bullshit with 80+K a year for a social worker in Toronto?

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He sounds like a troll. Why else would he post so many times and for so long? Either that or his wife’s buttfucking him has got him so brainwashed that he just spouts nonsense.

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More likely a troll since he never answers any questions, but this is a typical “living in denial” for all North American feminazis. They always run and hide when facing honest and open questions and never dare to have a discussion.

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Like Juicy J says-
You must be smokin niggah!

How high are you right now?

Guys this one smoked their brain out for real.

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You’re already enslaved to the banksters in more ways than you know. But few will recover from this to repent. They’ll just destroy themselves by the works of their own hands, via their indoctrinated beliefs, actions that stem from these and burden of taxation that is used to destroy themselves.

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Haha…men like yourself can’t compete in the workforce. My wife works $95k a year in Toronto as a social worker. Canada is the world’s superpower and your silly conspiracy theories do not hold fact. Have you sought mental health treatment or do you have to pay for it in the all great America?1 Hahaha

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1. 95K a year for a social worker? Who the fuck are you try to bullshit, man?
2. Canada is the dumpster of the world collecting all the 3rd world scum and refugees while forcing skillful white Canadians out of the workforce because of political correctness, affirmative action and quota hiring.

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sorry, should read: ” …are you trying to bullshit”.

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No, 95k year social worker is TRUE in toronto. No lie, my friend’s mother is a social worker in jane and finch and earns 100k. Social worker’s are well paid in toronto as they are government workers.

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Does your wife have a dick?

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Western women have been cunts for a while. But the society enables it, as do many of the men. Hence the situation will get worse until the society is destroyed.

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Rent, don’t buy. It’s cheaper in the long run.

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Who ever came up with the self help platitude – just be yourself – deserves the firing squad. Nueroplasticity is the word scientists use to describe the ability of the mind to adapt itself to the challenges presented it. Our minds are plastic and dynamic by being a little edgier or cocky with girls, we aren’t being inauthentic, we are building new emotional muscles and that’s uncomfortable. Embrace the novelty, let your inner nice guy die – he won’t be missed.

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What’s wrong with just being yourself? Care to elaborate?

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The founding fathers of the USA would be fucking some Toronto slut in the year 1776, and if she is alive in 2014, she will claim it as rape as what the sluts did with Jian Gomeshi. They are grown adult women. WTF and why the fuck is BDSM taboo in Canada?

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BDSM ain’t no taboo in Canada, pal. The problem is that it’s impossible to predict the outburst of a Canadian female after sex. It can be pleasant and positive but it also can be very negative and even humiliating for a male.
I ain’t no fan of this BDSM shit, but would never engage in any kind of “play” with a Canadian woman. They are unpredictable and some good sex may turn into a nightmare in a matter of seconds.
Best advice is to avoid Canada and Canadian females a.k.a. WHORES and leave North America behind for good.

In defense of women in Toronto
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OH SHUT UP ALREADY! Toronto women have better bodies and earn more money than your mail-order Russian and Ukrainian brides!!! Thank God the Canadian government is boycotting the Russians!

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1. Toronto women have better bodies? We must be living in 2 different worlds then;) How can ugly and fat bodies of Canadian females be better than slim, fit and sporty bodies of Eastern European females?
2. Why is “earning more money” even mentioned here?;) Ain’t it a picture perfect confirmation of my words that Canadian women are ONLY and entirely interested in MONEY;)
3. Mail order brides??? I went to Eastern Europe MYSELF, found a lady and married her. And we ain’t ever gonna come back to the hell hole called Canada.
4. Canadian government can do whatever it wants since it will always remain an American puppet and will do anything American Master will order.
5. Thanks God countries like Russia and Ukraine do exist and NORMAL males can escape a feminazi hell holes in Canada and USA.
6. Oh, and by the way, have YOU ever been outside of North America?;) Just wondering;)

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Canadian women are sluts and medicore whores. They rarely have tanned bodies because it’s a frozen wasteland up there and my Canadian friends, the ones who aren’t pussies, said that fucking a women in Toronto is stale and sometimes their pussy stinks because they don’t clean their cunts properly.

FormerCanadian
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Well, it’s hard to get a tan in a country where snow is on the ground for 9 months out of 12;)

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No it isn’t just look at norwegian girls. Only for canadian chicks because they are too lazy to tan.

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True, especially in winter, they don’t clean their cunts, and they smell very bad, forget oral sex with them you’ll pass out from the pussy stench.

Walton Boxer
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Vladimir Putin might be angry at the wrong country…he should be angry at pussified Canada!

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The Founders would probably take these arrogant, self entitled, bitchy women of today out to the back 40 and pop a cap in them as they would banksters, and other tyrants as well.

Never forget this historcal maxim-Masculine Republics devolve into Feminist Democracies aka it started out in freedom but cycles back to enslavement.

In defense of women in Toronto
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Flagged for overt threats of violence against women and printed out for the Toronto police to investigate anti-federalist. Misogyny against women is a terrible hate crime in the history of the world.

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You know nothing of American history. The Founders were slave owners and guerilla warfare fighters over taxes on commodities. Andrew Jackson had pistol duels and public outbursts against inflationary economics. Colonists burned people at the stake. Genghis Khan didnt read gawker. Napoleon didnt need the Huffigton Post. How they would “probably” react to a hypothetical situation is historical and literary abstarction. They carved empires from nothing- what does your cohort do but play thought police for your socialist anti red pill political agenda. Marxists unleashed have taken more lives than any other group in history. Feminism is Marxism and Marxism is feminism. Toronto feminist collectivist hysteria is a byproduct of this reasoning. How long will it be until you guys try to kill or execute someone with classical views oppossed to your collectivist reasoning? History and logic must be alien concepts beyond your cognitive abilities outside of your post-modern gender Marxism. Read Thomas Paine and Thomas Jefferson’s works as they are not caught in Starbucks collectivist haze over abstractions about hypothetical musings your imagination dreams up to serve your political agenda. You do not even consider the breadth and depth of literary abstractions associated with linguistic methaphor as your neurology is so wired with political agendas that you see any pattern of words as a basis for conclusory judgment even in relation to abstractions pertaining to historical figures potential cognitive processes about a vast array of potential decisions pertaining to the epistemology of reasoning and the body politic.

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Bad guy game in Toronto only works if it’s a real thug, white collar criminal and/or drug dealer. The bitches in Toronto can sense fakeness a mile away, and a lot of their cunts are more toxic than the dirtiest hooker in Jarvis Street.

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Be yourself works if you are a bad guy. Doesn’t work for a good and decent man. If yourself is a naturally cocky arrogant asshole who is widely opiniated, then sure it will all work out. But if be yourself is a quiet guy, who is nice forgat it

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TORONTO is a FEMINAZI HELLHOLE because the feminists are trying their fucking worst to destroy the hook-up culture in Canada.

According to “Sexodus., Roosh V, Happier Abroad and MGTOW HQ, young
women today, espeically women in Toronto, Canada are too arrogant,
confused, crazy and slutty to consider as girlfriends, wives and mothers.

Toronto women are batshit crazy that a one-night stand with camera evidence, text message evidence, after-fuck text messages from 1776 in Toronto could be considered to her “she was raped”

Because of family law, a growing police state and Stephen Harper’s
traditional conservative mangina lifestyle, marriage can be lethal for
men. As result, men are withdrawing to a private world of sports, video
games, casual hookers and adult porn. Many of the comments confirm this
assertion.

Another thing to add, work the minimum in Toronto and pay less taxes
legally. You can save money working the minimum in Canada without going
over the taxfree bracket. The 2nd generation old feminists need that
pension, so no use working hard in Canada to pay for the retirement of
feminists who caused the dating market mess in the 1st place! They were
burning their bras and flaunting their tits in the 1970s feminist
movement.

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1. Again, do not blame feminists, but blame pussified males for allowing all this shit to happen in Canada these days.
2. I’ve never had a serious relationship with a Canadian female and now I know that I’ve made the right decision to avoid them altogether.
3. It ain’t nothing bad in doing sports (I’m still a semi professional athlete myself), fucking hookers or watching porn (I’m married so the last 2 do not apply to me). Better yet is to leave North America behind for good and start traveling the world.
4. If you work the bare minimum for a minimum wage in Toronto then you ain’t gonna earn enough money to make your move! It’s better to work hard for 3-5 years, save enough money and leave North America behind for good.

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You have a Queen for a head of state, what do you expect?

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But showering compliments to a 35 year old sloot in Toronto is considered “sexual hawasswent” because her feewings got urt…

Can Roosh give some tips on game in Femi-nazi countries? Not that much people are keen on associating with Dr. James Sears these days after that BDSM scandal and Jian Gomeshi.

Toronto is a fucked up cunt-ridden city. Two adults have BDSM sex and their making it like if the dude was corrupting minors! Their grown women!

They treat 40 year old women in Toronto like little kids, and people like Former Canadian did the right thing by leaving Canada.

Feminazi Canada has too many double standards…especially when it comes to 50 year old women seducing males in their 20s at that cougar nightclub in downtown Queen Street.

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1. Why do you even need to shower a 35 y.o. Toronto female with compliments?
2. The best “tip” on game in those evil feminazi countries is to leave those countries behind altogether and start living a normal life in a normal country in Eastern Europe, Asia or Latin America.
3. Again, who’s to blame that 40 y.o. females in Toronto are treated like kids? CANADIAN PUSSIFIED MALES are to blame, my friend!!!
Just don’t lower your standards and selection criteria, dare to have an own opinion, to stand up and be counted and to lead by example and you’ll be perfectly fine! You are the Master of your own destiny and NO feminazi can tell you how to live YOUR OWN LIFE!!

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Shut up please Toronto women rock!

FormerCanadian
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Nope, Toronto and Canadian women suck and no man in his right mind would ever “buy” your propaganda bullshit.
There are plenty of examples WHY Canadian women suck, but NOT ONE example why they rock.
But you can try to find your friend Justice Minister Peter McKay, may be he’ll need some hooker services after a “hard” day at work doing nothing but collecting his pay check from the Government of Canada. wink

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Peter pussy eater Mc Kay is a fucking mangina…his wife must be sucking black cock at the side…stupid politician douchebags who have the fucking Queen as the president of Canada. Fuck Canada. I pee on Canada’s flag.

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Fuck off, fuck Canada and fuck the Queen of England you fucking mangina.

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Rock? Is this 1993? Smells Like Teen Spirit came out a little bit more West of Toronto you man hating extremist.

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The only thing I can take away from this post is that you couldn’t get
laid.. And that’s probably because women in Toronto have standards which
far exceed that which of what you exude.You will never get laid you loser, and if you try to pull a sneaky sexual harassment on any of our women, the police should register you and other sex tourists as sex offenders.

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The ONLY “standard” Canadian and Toronto women have is MONEY and status in the society (which are interconnected) and the only goal of all Canadian females is to sell themselves to the highest male bidder on a dating market.

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shallow whores. Toronto whores are cocksuckers and no better than cattle.

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Yes there is a huge double standard….female teachers in Canada are givin the pu$$y pass when they are caught molesting their students statutory rape…

Fuck Queen Elizabeth and her feminist empire by the way.

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Roosh why are you even putting on a charade? Dude you’ve been laid more than 99.999% of all men in history. You don’t need another notch. If you want a girl who will like you for who you are, just go out and there and actually be yourself, but without the Nice Guy attitude. The Nice Guy attitude is precisely the attitude of thinking “what should I say to get her to like me/get laid.” You should think “is this girl right for me? Sure, she might have looks; but my perfect girl has qualities x, y and z, does she have those?” Put yourself in the position of chooser instead of beggar.

Will you get rejected more? Yes. Does that matter? No. Because you will also be rejecting girls more. This is because your goal should not be to simply get another notch; it should be to find a girl who fits into your world. Stop trying to fit into her world; find a girl who fits into yours. Stop hiding your blog, stop using a fake name, go out and own who you are. If a girl asks why you have such sexist attitudes, just be 100% honest with her. Tell her your life story; how you were hurt when you were younger, how you made it your mission to get laid, how you realized how empty that is, etc. Speak from the heart without any filter and eventually you’ll find a girl who understands you if you go out and approach. Stop caring about getting laid and you’ll get more than that.

Bro, read the Book of Pook. Pook was a player who realized these truths 13 years ago and posted about it on the SoSuave forums. Within EVERY man there is a natural seducer; what could be more natural than sex?! You don’t need an algorithm or any mental calculations to do it. The problem is not that you are not a natural seducer; it is that there are still things that inhibit you from connecting with your primal nature. Does this mean that Game is useless? No, read the Book of Pook and you will understand all things: http://bookofpook.neocities.org/ .

There is more to say, but if this comment is any longer you probably won’t read it. For other readers, please upvote so that Roosh sees this comment.

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Mr. Muslim Im a poor redneck in America but even coming from the low brow, uncultured crap hole that I do even I realize that the elitists have 3 world wars planned (google Albert Pike 3 World Wars and Benjamin Freedmans Facts Are Facts) and the 3rd one is the pit Christians and Muslims against each other so we destroy each other so the Synangoge of Satan central Rothschild Zionist bankers can have a global one World religion aka make Satanism mandatory as the World religion. See Putin and China know this but its the good natured but idiotic white middle
Class and working class in America tha goes in blindly to this Zionist agenda like complete idiots. Also, feminism, environmentalism, new age, occult, satanism, communism aka all these garbage ideologies that divide and corrupt people had Ashkenazi Khazar brains and cash behind them to divide and conquer us all. I just want you to know that if a guy from white trash like me gets the big picture that hopefully
many others are waking up to this New World Order scam as well. Man I wish old school Christians ran the West when I was a little big they were around and society here was much, much saner. The Jews use creative destruction to make us all slaves constantly. I know I speak the truth here.

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Don’t worry Eric. Most Muslims are very well aware of Khazar conspiracies.

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The anus of a woman in Toronto is more cleaner than the teachings of your savage misogynist child-molesting Profit.

FormerCanadian
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Yeah right;) Especially those women in the areas around Carlton, Parliament, Gerrard streets or in the West Queen west area around Parkdale;)
Who are you kidding, feminazi?;)

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These Toronto idiots are the most crazy pinko freaks out here man.
Everything is a hate crime to them. Where’s their government gonna be when the power grid collapses and they’ve emasculated all men and have no skills or character? Bunch of Marxist-Leninist clowns.

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You tell me, man;))))) I know every street corner in Toronto and people who use to “inhabit” that particular corner.
Toronto is lost and a hell hole for any normal person be it male or female and should be avoided by all means possible!

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You’re probably speaking about female predator teachers flauting their shitholes or something i dont understand what your trying to say.

Hugo
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You suck.

How are you going to disrespect the religion of a billion people???

You’re a bitch made half ass pinko commie fag.

Why don’t you go to Saudia Arabia and tell everyone that disrespectful trash? Liberal troll scum.

No one here gives a crap about your crap small lame ass Country full of dorky self hating white liberals or your extraterrestrial like she male behavior loser. Everyone I’ve met from Tornto is like a white guilt, low t, self hating liberal dork meets Martian clown. Your countrys nothing to Americans like me. Why wiuld we want to visit an artic wasteland full of shemen like You and women who look like Lindie West? You’re completely obscene talking about the Islamists that way. They maintain order and keep Zionist skullduggery mind rot and corruption out of their culture like sjws and feminist Marxist ideology unlike you pansy liberal trash.

Roosh ban this shemale pinko Martian. You little bitch talking about 1 billion people’s religion like its toilet paper.

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The problem is the “Jews” aka Askenazi Khazars (read Benjamin Freedmans “Facts Ars Facts”-
re: the origins of modern Jewry-they’re not the people from the Bible but are Turkic Khazars) have got all the Worlds guns pointed at the Muslim World and the reason is so they can create a global central bankster ran police state.

Read Illuminati leader Albert Pikes 3 World Wars. The Rothschild bankster Illuminati planned all 3 World Wars and the horrors we’ve seen back in the 1870s-
http://libertyforlife.com/nwo/albert_pike.htm

I don’t support the Wars the Zionists have pushed America into. 9/11 was an inside job and they have lied to the American public to control and manipulate us all just like they’ve broken down our culture and families with their Communist gender mindrot skulduggery aka Feminism like all that pinko scum from Toronto believes that keeps annoying this pro masculinity site.

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Yeah right;))) Jews are to blame that American males became pussfied creatures with NO self esteem;) Jews are to blame that American males lowered their standards and selection criteria and decided to settle for the lowest of the low when it comes to both females and society in general. wink
Step number 1: dare to admit the truth, dare to face it! And do not blame someone else for YOUR OWN FAULTS!!
And NO, I’m NOT a Jew.

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Read Texe Marrs, Michael Hoffman, David Duke, Jeff Rense, and Kevin MacDonald and get back to us aka wake up!

FormerCanadian
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Man, I can wake YOU up;) And you can trust me on this one BIG TIME.

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Two things I don’t understand from this mentality:

1) Trying to make a relationship out of a ONS. Enough said.

2) Seeing game principles as a tool instead of a lifestyle. All of what has been peddled as “game” (clarity in expectations, having hand, etc) and “alpha” (independence, aloofness, leadership) are lessons which men should learn and incorporate into their character. If you think of classic game figures (pimps if you would, like iceberg slim), do you think they had to front when dealing with women? Highly doubtful. Like another commenter said, they’ve internalized certain truths and they operate ‘naturally’ from them.

Your game should be a way to convey your character, rather than an exercise of hide the ball. What’s that? You’re not prepared to check a woman who oversteps your boundaries? Don’t act dominant to get her in a relationship. Be dominant, and move accordingly

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Did you think for one moment that maybe your lack of success could because many men are disgusting?

I will happily vouch with the Canadian government to increase the age of worldwide consent to 21 (for men 18-29) and to 40 for men over 30 years of age. Violence against women, misogyny, objectifying women and sexually harassing women have to stop immediately.

Many men who support Roosh appear to be perverts. Justice Minister Peter McKay might have to deal with online misogyny! You bunch of fucking perverts.

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Alert, Alert: Canadian feminazi here;)
Just check the choice of words used since ALL feminazis always come up with exactly the same wording: ” violence, misogyny, objectifying women, sexual harassment” . wink
I do support Roosh, but how am I a pervert? I’m happily married with kids, but I do dare to stand up and be counted and to have an own opinion while leading by example.
And the truth is that Canadian women a.k.a. WHORES are only interested in money and status in the society and their only goal is to sell themselves to the highest male bidder on a dating market.
Ain’t it whoring after all, what do you think?
I’m very happy that I left Canada for good and married a woman from Eastern Europe. Canadian females make excellent hookers but terrible wives/life partners and should be avoided by all means possible!
Oh, and one question for you, ” Defender of women in Toronto”: Have you EVER traveled, lived or studied outside of North America?
I’m positive that I ain’t gonna get no reply since Canadian feminazis always run away and hide when facing an open question, but I still want to show everyone else the double standard and hypocrisy of Canadian feminazis.

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are you a fucking crazy asshole? Try spewing that fuckshit to the rednecks in America you fucking piece of mangina cunt retard

P.S. Your wife is a cocksucking whore.

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An American redneck has more masculinity in their fingernail clippings than this extraterrestrial Commie shemale Martian does in his whole body and piss on you for analogizing Islamics to an Tornto woman’s anus. You are a shabbus goy idiot for the “Jews”/Khazars for pushing that Communist-Zionist feminazi nonsense. We don’t care about no lame ass Toronto, no half ass small junk Country like Canada, or no Martian behaving radical liberal clowns like yours trolling of sites like this for your bull shit World views the Jews taught idiots like you to believe so they could destroy their own culture and enslave themselves.

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Are you even male?

FormerCanadian
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He is a male indeed. He’s indicated in his other messages that he’s married and his wife works in some kind of Social Services in Toronto with annual salary over 90K .

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This is where so-called “natural game” or “inner game” comes in. You can’t reshape your personality, but by carefully inspecting the various aspects of your personality, you can identify the components that put you in an assertive, dominant role. Grow those components. Most males suffer from “beta indoctrination” in which those same aspects are suppressed. Do the opposite, grow them, and know that your relationship with your woman can never – should never – slide into the compliant, supplicating state.

That is, unless that is the mode you prefer to be in. Should that be the case, be my guest. There’s no law that says you can’t be happy that way. The key is to be authentic from start to finish.

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The good news is post-sex game comes naturally because you are less interested in her at this point. She is usually much more interested, especially if the sex was good.

Walton Boxer
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Fuck Queen Elizabeth and her feminist empire. Fuck the British monarchy. Fuck the Canadian manginas, and fuck all these bitches…..It was all a dream, I used to read word up magazine lol.

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A lot of what you say makes sense, but some Canadians and western folk are worthy and are NOT manginas and I need to keep reminding myself that such people still exist.

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Funny how you refer to Ukraine as “laborious for me” yet you always find yourself back there. But I hear you man…I adore the thin, petite Caucasian girls myself.

Been there 3 times & after the first trip I literally spent a 17 hour plane ride starring off into space & wondering what went wrong…Then on the second & third trips I absolutely destroyed it. I am very thankful you wrote guide books….I love being “That foreign American guy”

I spent 3 hours a day walking around Kyiv aimlessly with a suit, tie & empty briefcase & simply asked “Excuse me, where do I find [prominent building]”?

I still chat with so many of these girls online…If I could have a superpower it would be teleportation….

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Game never ends, even if you are married with children. The glue of a relationship is the sexual dynamic and, as a man, you have to be aware of how to play that to your advantage: I.e. the proper response at the proper time.
I don’t see that as depressing. I take it as a fundamental reality of life which, if I play along, will bring me joy. It’s the same reason I love Disneyland – its a lie, but one that results in pleasure to the crafty minded participant.

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It seems we have to be clowns to the ladies whether they are a GF or wives. Always performing. Like some damn trained monkey. I always thought that after the courtship ,the sex, a guy could relax a be himself. Open up. Reveal himself to his mate and even be vulnerable. It’s sad. Depressing.

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despite your mask your game or facade,you can’t maintain any girl being your personal slut forever unless you advance further in the relationship: this means proposing marriage or going to concubinage with her
This is obvious because each girl have her own dream, which surely is getting married /find some man, aka provider,get pregnant,form a family, etc
After some time a girl is playing the geisha role with you and you are not advancing to the next step, she will find she is loosing her time with you, she will think that she is becoming old and her chances will drop if continues losing time
Of course you will be dumped because she feels the relationship goes nowhere
There are 3 or 4 methods to retain a girl which I will write to us because I see all of you are unexperienced
1: get the girl pregnant
2: propose her marriage
3:get in concubinage with her
4:invent some credible fake plans to live happy together
Beside this, nothing works,nothing related to game believe me, the time she will tolerate you being your slut depends of the girl, the age of the girl and other factors,being you a master you can retain a girl being your geisha for a max of 4 or 5 years , after that apply my method or forget the girl forever

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What’s wrong with just being yourself?

Seems most women don’t mind a guy that’s just genuine, hard working and chill in general. “Putting on a mask” falls more into the gimmick approach and is very mechanical.

Could just be me, but I think the “game” is over long before you tell your first line if she’s not physically attracted to you!

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I dont know much about game, but it seems like you have to put on a mask and pretend to be someone else! Whos got time for that shit? Since its well known that girls are the sluts, let them do all gaming i say, Ill happily do my own thing till their overt signs of interest become so sexual and/or unbearably blazen that i put them out of their misery by striking up a conversation or something. Thats my game. Being myself.