Stop Saying “Men Are Disposable”

I’m seeing a disturbing rise in guys droning on about how “disposable” men are. This is a questionable viewpoint that does not help you achieve your goals in life or understand the current situation we face. At the same time, it puts pussy high up on the pedestal, brainwashing you into believing that a woman’s life is more valuable than your own. This is a “beta” element to the red pill that aligns itself perfectly with feminist ideology.

This line of thought attempts to use evolutionary theory to explain the differences between the sexes. Since only one man is needed to continue the species, the argument goes, a woman’s womb is much more important when it comes to reproduction. In times when we lived in tribes of less than 200 people, this argument would have more strength, but only up to a point—a tribe of one man and 199 woman may find it impossible to hunt or protect itself from predators or other tribes. Only when you look at humanity through a narrow lens of reproduction in times of low population numbers and complete lack of environmental threats does a penis definitely have less worth than a vagina.

When you start to account for the survivability of the tribe overall, which is composed of much more than reproduction, the presence of men were absolutely crucial. Since no tribe has had a conscious goal of exponential growth, in some cases it’s possible to adopt the argument that losing one woman would have been less damaging to a tribe’s long-term survival rate than losing one man, especially in tribes that lacked loafers or social justice warriors. I have not come across data that declares with certainty that men were indeed “disposable,” as in expendable, worthless, and needless in humanity’s march to dominate the planet.

In modern times, with a world population of 7 billion, which is 6.99 billion more than humans need to continue propagating the species, women have no additional biological worth than men. None. You could kill three billion women tomorrow and the human species won’t die off (though it would be insanely hard to get laid).

Both men and women are disposable due to the population numbers we have now, so arguing that a random woman on the street is less disposable today than a man is imprecise, degrading to men, and disturbing cynical while providing no insight into understanding anything related to the goals men pursue today. Thinking of yourself as disposable is quite close to adopting feminist ideology whereby women are held as infallible and superior creatures.

You gotta laugh at the idea that the world in 2014 must sacrifice the life of a man before a woman’s in order to somehow preserve humanity, but this is what “men are disposable” advocates are insinuating. In an ultra-specific low population scenario, the value of a woman can be higher, but we haven’t seen that in tens of thousands of years, and we definitely don’t have it today.

While most people who exist are standard issue consumer zombies, we can educate and train ourselves to make a difference in this world, to push through the fabric of human existence and get a response back. The red pill helps us understand our reality, but sometimes it loses the big picture and propagates flawed reasoning in attempts at seeking wisdom. I agree that a woman is biologically more valuable when it comes to reproduction, but not by much, and not in a way that applies today. Men are needed just as much now as when humanity began. It’s mostly feminists—those who believe in female superiority—who want to try and convince you otherwise.

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With the population levels as high as they are men due to their much higher productivity and less requirements for day to day living are much more valuable. Think of the population of the earth when we were able to go to the moon and look at it now. The capacity to grow and achieve does not require the numbers of people we have now. In fact women are producing children at below replacement rate in the west any way so basically women are a burden if you want to get nasty about it

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In a healthy society over-educated barren career women would be seen as disposable and a burden on society, while happy wives and mothers would be seen as indispensable.

Of course, the opposite is true in our society, which tells you how sick it really is.

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children are the only wealth. Our ancestors knew this. Modern women have sold their menfolk out – but especially if you are Caucasian. How ironic – in millennia perhaps books will say the Caucasian race became a diaspora because hypergamous barren sluts decided that serving worthless pieces of paper was worth more than having stable families and supporting their men, instead of defrauding them just like the banksters.

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Don’t blame “hypergamous barren sluts,” there are deeper cultural forces and certain groups of people (hint hint) at work here who have sown the seeds of destruction and pitted the women against the men.

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OH, do you mean J-E-W-S?

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no I meant happy merchants, thanks for the internal monologue though

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you are the only one that said jews

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Covert white knighting. If the ingenuous “hypergamous barren sluts” you defend were so easily misled by a cabal of nefarious shiksa-whisperers, what was their inherent worth to begin with?

You really want to produce a genetic legacy with someone that stupid and disloyal? (hint hint)

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This is a typical comment from someone who doesn’t get out much and interact with real people.

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I get it; in your conception, women are simply blank-slate, semi-autonomous vessels without agency or capacity to independently reject their own men. They reject you… because of joos. How convenient.

White nationalists would be far better off cleaning house before going on the offensive. SWPL white women are some of the strongest proponents– and biggest beneficiaries– of feminism and white misandry. They adore it, even the “traditional conservatives.” And collectively, they, rightly or wrongly, rationally or preduicially, despise you if you are an average white guy. No one is forcing them to act this way.

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That’s a lot of assumptions that are not made by anyone anywhere – you seem to be projecting your worldview onto other people.

It also says you don’t get out much – a lot of SWPL white women are not very political and do not despise average white guys – you might realize this if you actually interacted with them in real life.

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All woman are hypergamous sluts. Civilisation was created to keep that in check. What we have today is what it looks like without civilsation. It doesn’t end until we are living in grass huts eating gatherred scraps of food.

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I truly believe this. It leaps into my face when I travel and see women who still realize family is more important than a rubber stamp “degree” from Fill In The Blank University and landing a position as another corporate lapdog. I’ve been thinking for quite some time how repulsive the career and id-driven modern Anglo woman is.

It’s truly a grotesque thing to see when an attractive female wastes the best years of her life status whoring, cock carouseling, and corporate bootlicking then ends up childless and barren.

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You do not know much about women if you do not know that some of them do not enjoy family life and are meant for a good career.

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Family life and good career are not at opposite ends you dimwit.

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You are an idiot. I do not know what you say about talented female doctors who probably save your sorry life in a hospital, just by being overeducated, instead of popping out brats at home. I doubt that any woman who have more brains than a ladybug could be a *happy* wife with you. Can you comprehend the fact that women are not candy machines to pop out brats or slaves to nurture you? They have intellect, motivation and brains, right?!

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My aunt is a lovely lady, a doctor with three beautiful kids running around. Can’t imagine how miserable being a 40 year old barren childless doctor would be.

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Why should she be miserable?! Most of all, if she has a meaningful profession at that. Some women are not good at kids and have no such instinct, women can have a wide range of interests that do not include kids and family. There is not just *one* way to live a life. There are lots of ways.

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I agree some women don’t want kids and contribute to society in other ways but for every one of those women there are ten that are miserable that they put career before kids and are working a meaningless PR or marketing job.

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They didn’t put career before kids.

They just didn’t want them or didn’t find anybody to have them with. Women don’t have children alone. The men opting out of having kids deserve just as much criticism (although in reality neither should be criticised. We aren’t suffering from a population shortage.)

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Lololol

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Not as miserable as you seem to think. Not all women and not all men have children. My sister and I are both physicians. She is married to her college sweetheart and they have no children because, well biology. I know this is a great sadness for them both, but she somehow manages to consistently care for people in her professional life (pediatrician) and personal life (foster mom) that have pretty shitty parents because of biology.

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Lol

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Pro tip:
We have enough resources for at least 15-16 billion people in the world
We are constantly lied to about this
The elite decided depopulation was good so they could maintain control
The future of detroit was written about in Spengler’s “Decline of the West”
Everything is planned in advance.
In the 40s they wanted Europeans to have less kids.
They invented peak oil myth, as a reason why our living standards would decline in the future.
Even the wars of today are about the privilege of a small group of people whilst we all die for them and are enslaved by them.

Look at how the cost of living has risen. AND yet people enable such a system, even when US/Canada etc have plenty of resources, all owned by the Crown, telling you how subservient and blinded people have become.
Yet several generations have been remoulded into what the elite want – dumb slaves who are deserving of contempt, because they keep buying into the false promises.
Now the white family and formerly white nations are divided and conquered. Soon they will EMBRACE slavery. Because the nature of mankind is not to want freedom. But whilst people in other countries fight and revolt, the iPhone addicted westerners are dead spiritually, before they actually become genocided by proxy, and by their own hand and by their apathy.
The ‘elite’ laugh at this, for they have got us all in an open prison where the bars are unseen, but its there. They got you supporting a wicked system that will eventually deprive you of your liberty and then your life. Yet some fates are worse than death.

So, no human beings are not disposable. But they have made themselves that way by abandoning God, and even for those that do not believe, by embracing the worst parts of religion and even just by forgetting that the family unit is the building block of society. Western women have also destroyed their men, no doubt. Now only the best slaves (the lowest denominator) procreate, so a future worse than idiocracy will be seen. And don’t think for a minute that 95-99% of you will be in the club, because you won’t. They will take liberties and threaten you with job loss or homelessness if you do not comply. This is why we are seeing increasing totalitarianism in the west, which will eventually consume all folk, especially in Anglo English speaking nations, and perhaps Europe too. Ten years from now, when the middle east is restructured, the western middle classes (hah! who has mucho assets?) will be enslaved and whites made a diaspora by their sell out leaders, by the older generations who enabled such things, and by the younger generation who are trapped by the decisions of the past. So everyone has a decision to make about how they will pass the time. Most folk are going to go along with it. And they will go down with it too, finding out that death does not come quickly – you will just be remade into the image of what the other guy wants, to have your individuality and personality and soul destroyed; and after suffering a fate perhaps worse than death, will you die the second one. Sorry for the alarmism, but you won’t find this on any mainstream media, for they won’t talk about a con game based on people’s confidence in a system that is rapidly dying.

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You should write a book. I’ve done the contrarian red pill political philosophy thing for several years in the past and not considered some of your ideas.

I’ve never supported Samuel
Huntingtons Aipac sounding ideas or the Neo Cons Islamophobia. To me from day one it sounded like a way to start war and make profits on the backside off the American masses backs.

Anyway—
Please further unpack the white diaspora and restructured Middle East class warfare thing. Are you talking Sharia Law slavery against American whites controlled by those with capital from the Middle East due to bankruptcy in America?

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With every technological revolution, the amount of population that is needed to do a work the technology impacted reduced its need. This ended up freeing population to work on other things. One has to wonder what will follow now with this current generation and globalization, and the Infiormation superhighway of the Internet. All these seems to make everyone more disposable, except maybe the man who can produce real art and new forms of thought and control attention.

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Before the invention of electricity, plumbing and washing machines, women spent most of the day washing clothes. You’re welcome.

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In the days of outsourcing, robots and social engineering by ruthless tyrants, women f*cked their men and themselves over by thinking that the false promises of feminazi-ism outweighed having the backs of their menfolk and therefore having their own backs. In a few years time, society will be so f*cked that feminism will die as it won’t be funded by bankers anymore. The only problem is that civil liberties will have died before it, so most western folk will be de facto slaves working slave wages to put food on the table. So children AND family life will be out of the question.

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“Will be slaves”???

Seth dont you mean, “They currently are”.

Perhaps you mean in addition to economic slavery the forces of social decay with all the Zionist bankster tools of division-social media, sjws, big brother mass surveillance/tard phones, and continual erosion of civil rights via your federally funded local robocops to more and more insane public policy from legislators will all continue to be a cumulative force of
oppression and tyranny to further mess up healthy male/female social dynamics and accelerate the diaspora.

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But slaves with guns. And slaves with guns is not a good situation for the masters.

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Don’t you favor countries and venues with high f/m ratios? People aren’t motivated by abstractions like “propagating the species”. Men what more pussy and women want less dick

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I agree wholeheartedly with Roosh’s contention in this article, but I also agree with your comment, which raises an interesting counterpoint I hadn’t considered.

What if it doesn’t come down to survivability of the species? Maybe its an entirely different dynamic at work. Simple supply/ demand based on availability and a willingness to pay an exorbitant price.

Nightclubs, bars, online dating sites, etc. do see men as disposable in their business model, and they bend over backwards and cater to women. Why? because there are so many men and so few women participating.

I keep hearing that women make up slightly over 50% of the population. But if I were an alien who just landed in the US last week and visited various night time social venues or tried online dating or attended a sporting event, I would quickly surmise that males make up 80% of the population and that women have far higher value in society as anytime one is in the vicinity she is treated like royalty by a swarm of thirsty men.

Men have less value because as a collective they simply don’t value themselves, they don’t have the ability to walk away from a negotiation wherein the terms are unfavorable to them.

I feel like to a certain extent, Red Pill and PUA philosophy contribute to this dynamic, in that they purport to be about not putting pussy on a pedestal, but in reality totally put pussy on a pedestal by unlocking what women really desire and than conforming to those things in order to garner favor with them….

it would be like if all men got together and decided the best way to obtain a high priced piece of property was to save more money in order to make the seller more enamored with them. But in reality, if everybody does that the price simply goes up, the seller actually benefits from that. The way costs fall is when “buyers” as a group become unable or willing to pay an exhorbitant price and walk away from the table.

It sucks to say it, but the only way men become more valued, is when enough of them stop pandering and walk away from the negotiating table (MGTOW). Obviously the price still isn’t high enough for that to happen….but I think we are getting here.

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Men like Tesla had immense value, yet to today’s females his value would be next to nil? Why? Because many women are degenerates and seek degenerates like themselves. This is why society has entered mass degeneracy like idiocracy, but worse. Women can be smart, but by catering to their basest desires, they and their offspring have become enablers of a totalitarian regime that spans many countries. I cannot blame them alone, for men are to blame too, including previous generations who are not wise, just usually old. So now we have a society of mass degeneracy and lunacy that is coming to an end. And yep, it is coming within a decade or two. I hope the women like what they have served up for themselves and don’t expect a knight to come running to their aid (all society men will be faggots, which is why MGTOW or else you become one). I expect any woman of mine to pull her weight, and if she doesn’t or has had too much cock, I will just cast her off to be enslaved by the corparatocracy that will destroy her, because she’s less than useless and has not been there to have my back and to help me make this society a better one.

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Very well said Steve

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Good stuff. Much better than the videos. Please stick to what works for you.

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Yeah. Writing is pretty decent. He does sorta come off as a tool in the YouTube clips not sure why. Made me think of those silent film ppl that didn’t do well when modern cinema came about.

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The word “wooden” comes to mind. Roosh is a mininmalist when it comes to expression/communication so writing is the better format for him.

You can’t be a youtube star if you’re a boring guy with no tits.

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I agree. Men are absolutely NOT disposable. Men invented basically everything modern society (including women) uses and thinks it’s the most natural thing in the world. We are the ones who actually deliver and don’t just talk. If all men would be gone by tomorrow, the world would be third world in one week. If women would run the world, not even the wheel would be invented.

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Its disgusting NWO propaganda that men are useless.
But western peoples taxes for the last few decades have been funding keeping the third world in debt through usurious loans, lots of illegal foreign wars and also funding the destruction of the western peoples through social engineering. And still, people go out at the weekends like everything is okay! It will sneak up on them in the coming years, when they get laid off and can’t find another job, when plenty should be available etc.. But by then, western folk who are addicted to an easy life for the most part, will be thoroughly owned, and defeated by their own hand. They cannot destroy us unless they trick and convince us to participate in destroying ourselves.

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Your comments are very insightful. Can you recommend any good books?

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Excellent comment.

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Let me correct that for you. White men invented basically everything.

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Jawed Karim, Azizul Haque Patricia Bath, Berry Leonidas and Gebisa Ejeta are white? Wow. Thanks for the update, man.

Besides, all these Arab, Indian and Chinese scientists must be an invention of liberal minds/

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Modern, industrialized, science based world is created by white people (there is no denying this) BUT these white people were standing on the shoulders of gigants, who came from everywhere (arab, asia, india, greece, egypt etc).
As I see it, white people where just kind of the first people to put everything together and really use everything that was already more or less invented.

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Sure. Good luck to you. Bye

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Thanks.

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Arabs and Indians are racially Caucasian, Europeans are just depigmented Caucasians, or just depigmented Near-Easterners+Central Asians.

Also “Arabs” is a broad false term, real Arabs from Arabian peninsula invented jack shit and could never conceive of anything intellectual except creating documents legalizing rape, humping camel’s and drinking camel urine.

Lebanese, Phoenicians, Tunisians, Algerians, Indians, Greeks, Romans, Persians (Iranians), Assyrians, Kurds, Copts, Azeri’s, Georgians, Jews, Jordanians, Armenians, Libyans, Syrians, Anatolian (Turks), Afghans, Babylonians (real Christian Iraqi’s), the people who’s civilizations and works that “Arabs” plagiarized and claimed as their own in their false warlord pedophile warlord religion is actually not theirs but was stolen+claimed by them when in reality they are dumb backwards unintelligent primitive savage Bedouins and camel humpers.

But people think that they are “Arabs” when they are not, so you are wrong there buddy. Chinese and various Asians did have intellectuals and some great civilizations here and there; but as pointed out their contributions were really in minuscule in comparison to the invention of the Western world and it’s works.

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Sure. I am going out to chat some girls. Good luck

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Yeah good luck w/ that, hopefully you don’t get stop & frisked and all that jazz

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Lmaoooooo :’/

#truth

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Yeah, lots of luck stopping Ebola if we had to depend on women.

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Are we stopping Ebola now?

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Tell this to Angela Merkel and Johanna Sigurdardottir who do better than most of their male counterparts. Or sure as hell you would want to have Oprah’s or Ms. Sandberg’s brains and bank accounts.

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The Roosh Man,
I think it really depends where you are hearing these “Men are disposable” cries coming from. If in America, remember the CFR Rockefeller crowd and their cronies at Harvard and AEI who invent academic jargon to sell the latest military crisis as well as their golf course pals who run the banks and defense industry all know to push that propaganda to the working class enlisted man crowd in war video games and war hero shows and movies like “Band of Brothers” and “We Were Soldiers”. I know some guys will disagree but remember a guy who had a very manly career and saw the borrow of War Maj. Gen. Smedely D. Butler wrote about it in his book “War Is A Racket”. At the same time writers like Ezra Pound and Nesta Webster were explaining the connection with the elites and other industries and this was back at the turn of the 20th Century. This bs hustle by the elitists using the working classes ignorance and the ruling classes rutessness and political savvy has pretty much always been a reality in American political life.

Roosh-
My question to you would be how far does this American ruling class propaganda sentiment expand into the good places to find women like Poland, Ukraine, or Colombia?

I’ve been pipelining in Poland online and it amazes me how many girls there watch American tv programs- trust me that fact is not a turn on for me at all.

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A woman’s womb is only precious if she is actually using it. Western women are reproducing at below replacement level, so the notion they are indispensable and men are disposable is laughable.

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Men are not disposable. Our western lifestyle is dependent upon men in this and other countries to do the grunt work. We are so separated by many layers from the guy who picked our fruit for slave wages in another country etc.. Almost all our goods are like this. The only problem is that western women through breaking up marriages and impoverishing families in multiple ways, ensured that future generations of theirs (that few that did have children), would be consigned to the same unenviable lifestyle in a decade or two.

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You make a principled argument Roosh, but I’m inclined to agree with Roissy’s Fundamental Premise. The survivability of a tribe may have been tantamount to the survival of the men from whom it was composed, but the women of the tribe (at least the fertile ones) would no doubt be assimilated into the ranks of any would-be conqueror to realize their reproductive potential in any case.

Roissy’s premise is a bitter idea to swallow but one that should ultimately embolden men to embrace derivative red pill truths and engage women on their own terms and not those that are socially prescribed. Nothing is more attractive to women than a man who shows irreverence to these norms (women as the chased, men as the chaser etc) and by understanding the place from which these norms originate, we should be better able to ‘pull the rug’ from under a host of asinine assumptions that hold men back.

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I admit as another cog in the post-modern anglosphere machine this whole concept sounds incredibly incisive and immensel practical as a means to transcned all the cultural brainwashing.

What are the most critical mental attitudes and practical steps needed to take action and apply this idea?

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There is a difference between denigrating men or pouring scorn on the MRM, and acknowledging fundamental truths. ‘Survivability’ is an apt term, but its also difficult to pin down when we broadly conceptualize everything required to sustain the life of a group of people or the social structure of which they are a part. Throughout history men have had a much greater interest in preserving the integrity or prosperity of an isolated tribe because the worst consequences of its downfall would fall disproportionately upon men’s shoulders.

To state what is bleedingly obvious… a (fertile) group of 200 men and 100 women can produce circa 100 babies per year, whilst a group of 100 men and 200 women can produce circa 200 babies a year. Same goes for 50/200 or 25/200… a cataclysmic fall in the male population is far less a blow to the reproductive potential of our species. That is just… a fact. It is why women generally need only exist and minimize risk exposure in order to fulfill their genetic prime directive, whilst some (white) men have consistently striven for (and achieved) greatness. Men are able to strive and graft in a more single-minded, devoted and risky manner than women because to not do so may have sealed your fate as one of the weak or unfortunate men toward the disposable end of the hierarchy that does not reproduce at all. This is why men always have and will continue to own greatness (and wretchedness – think extreme poverty and homelessness), while women dominate the middle-ground of low-risk mediocrity.

Evolutionary psychology is an extremely powerful tool we have at our disposal and one we should embrace and explore, not run from. It is the bridge between obvious psychological adaptations that allowed us to navigate treacherous historical circumstances, and today’s post-feminist world.

In the West now, where the ‘freedom for female sexual expression’ (slutiness) is at unprecedented levels due to mass contraception, mass rejection of Christian values, women subliminally expect that beta men will form an orderly queue and wait, where the acknowledgement of her greater reproductive value is writ large in the subtext of every interaction between beta-fertile woman.

Women love men who don’t abide by this ‘male chaser’ dynamic and flip the script because:

A) its novel (and women hate being bored)
B) its alpha and therefore fuckworthy… particularly in comparison to the game that is spit by a million white knights who don’t realise that chivalry is useless unless you hold the power and control the frame.

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Were you claiming that human males are
biologically disposable & evolutionary expendable, & that we should
just LET THEM DIE?!

Not at all. Human males are as important as human females.
Sexual reproduction ensures reshuffling of genes, for better survival, disease
resistance & environmental adaptations of species, due to diversifying gene
pools. Moreover, a few men impregnating lots of women, would lead to several
offspring with same half-genes. This would result in drastic amounts of inbreeding,
biological problems, lack of non-similar-genes & mates, & so on. There
may be infinitely more consequences also.

Also, there is no use of simply
giving birth. The children have to be protected & raised. They have to grow
& survive. The families have to be defended from thefts, robberies,
murders, etc. Healthy psychological developments & role models are required
for the offspring. Moreover, modern science has only touched the tip of the
iceberg. There are a LOT more mysteries & issues to resolve, before finally
passing conclusions on evolutionary & biological living beings, functions
& systems.

Plus, with rapid advancements in modern sciences &
technologies, including the sectors of bio-technologies, if we can argue that
female sperms (artificially synthesized from female stem cells) could solve the
issues of ”gene pool diversity” and render males completely useless, we can
also argue that male eggs (synthesized from male stem cells or other
bio-technologies) could help human males have their own offspring. Now,
artificial wombs could ALSO be potentially developed, in the future, in order
to account for the sole dependence on female bodies to reproduce.

Moreover,
even viable womb transplants (on human males) could be possible, via artificial
organ manufacturing bio-technological methods! If modern science has achieved
so much in the areas of independent sexual reproduction, such as sperm banks,
stem cells, female sperms, male eggs, IVF, cryopreservation, three-parent-kids,
etc, it could be reasonably possible for viable artificial wombs, womb
transplants, male eggs, etc, to be developed too.

Again, everything is
subjective & relative. If you’re restricting the domain of living species
to include humans, then, maybe human males could be slightly more disposable or
expendable (& that too, under DRASTIC, near-extinct &
severely-under-populated conditions, wherein the species’ survival would then
also be questionable), but, at the same time, if you’re just expanding the
domain to include the universe, solar system, stars, planets, galaxies, space,
etc, we can find that actually ”life” may not even be necessary, because
”life” is just several permutations & combinations of self-aware
biochemical systems, that can have nearly INFINITE forms. There are no particular
or unique forms of life. We could also argue that for ”something living” to
exist, we could have the entire universe filled with plants & microbes,
since they consume much less resources, & are more sustainable &
viable.
Nothing is actually ”necessary”. Several intelligent &
non-intelligent species have gone extinct, & the universe has carried on
perfectly without them.

Also, instead of arguing over who is more disposable or
not, we must work & divert our energies & funding on trans-humanist
bio-technologies, futuristic healthcare systems, medical technologies, & so
on, in order to RADICALLY TRANSFORM the lives of common people, by giving them
freedoms & cures from dangerous diseases (like AIDS, EBOLA, cancers, etc),
giving them long lifespans (including periodical immortality), helping them
overcome their disabilities, & so on. These would empower all.

Now, I don’t want
to sound cruel, but ”maybe” the groups of people who could actually be
classified as ”disposable” in our modern world, could be those like
murderers, criminals, thugs, assassins, drunkards, drug-addicts, anti social
elements, thieves, robbers, killers, terrorists, severely disabled people,
severely terminally ill people, severely old & about-to-die types of
people, and so on. Normal, healthy, able, law-abiding people, irrespective of
age, race, gender, ethnicity, nationality, etc, are NOT disposable at all.

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Uncle Roosh,
If you were an American newbie to game and had 5k to blow in EE would you City hop and stay in hostels to recon for a City to stay long term for future extended trips or just pick a City or two and stay focused on maximizing your efforts while there?

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I think Roosh doesn’t understand what is meant by people who use that phrase. People who say “Men are disposable” are not saying that men should be regarded as disposable, but are describing the mistaken, bigoted attitude that society had towards men.

It’s like a feminist saying “Women don’t matter”; the purpose of her stating that is not to endorse that statement, but to describe what she thinks is the prevailing attitude toward women. In both cases the statement is not a value judgment, though it may appear that way; it’s a description (and usually a criticism) of how society perceive men and women.

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I’m certain that guys are also using the phrase to describe the evolutionary sex imbalance.

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Fair enough. Insofar as your criticisms apply to their arguments I agree with you.

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Exactly, the “Men are disposable” attitude is manifested in the Slap a woman and it is a hate crime but sexually mutilate a man and it is a joke attitude of this culture. Ok this metaphor may not be absolutely true but certainly issues like preponderance of proof as a result of rape hysteria, at it’s heart is exactly what that the “male is disposable” reality is. I agree with Rollo and perhaps this is what Roosh is saying, in that you need to develop the discipline to better yourself and self respect to not give in.

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“Both men and women are disposable due to the population numbers we have now, so arguing that a random woman on the street is less disposable today than a man is imprecise, degrading to men, and disturbing cynical while providing no insight into understanding anything related to the goals men pursue today. Thinking of yourself as disposable is quite close to adopting feminist ideology whereby women are held as infallible and superior creatures.”

Dwelling on male disposability is exactly what a social order founded on the feminine imperative and a blue pill paradigm want men to do. Men self-perpetuating this mindset only reinforces feminine social primacy. The Feminine Imperative WANTS you to be hopeless.

http://therationalmale.com/2014/09/29/a-new-hope/

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Reverse engineering the worldwide over-population problem, it would seem that a “vagina off the sinking ship last” would aid our survival.

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Eh, considering that men can reproduce all their frigging lives, not really. It depends on the age of the woman, doesn’t it?

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Feminism itself is an acknowledgement that females no longer have the value they once had. I have always thought that men were drafted to go to war because they could be more counted on to win not that they were cheap cannon fodder. etc. etc. This blue pill mindset must be broken one man at a time

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No, it’s because young men are useless cannon fodder. That’s where the phrase cannon fodder came from, Einstein.

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Its not a society founded on the feminine imperative. Western civ is founded on ideologies dating back to Egypt. Our leaders know this and wish to return us globally to slavery. There are reasons why it is every caucasian country that experiences mass immigration and not other countries with low birthrates like Korea and Japan. But westerners have been blindsided by a lavicious lifestyle for at least three generations to come to the delayed realisation that perhaps countries like America and the UK do not exist any more, for even the older generations have forgotten the spirit of their ancestors, for they have been progressively brainwashed to forget simple things, like spending money on their children instead of on a holiday etc.. Even the older generation do not act like adults and have failed future generations. And so, we will end up like Egypt/Babylon, before we collapse.

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Guys in California….careful – this rape bill is completely written against us http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/sep/29/california-gov-brown-signs-yes-means-yes-rape-shie/

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You want to have the right to rape? A great person you must be. No wonder you ask Roosh for dating advice. You must be desperate.

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As a feminist, you’re completely retarded. With that law, one of you whores can have consensual sex with a man and then “change your mind” AFTERWARDS and destroy his life. Of course you didn’t take the time out of your day to actually read what it says, or maybe you did (not really) but of course you feminist vile pieces of shit could care less about REAL equality.

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You certainly have bright arguments if you use this much obscenity to express them. It is easy to find a solution for your problem. Find women who are sober and still *willing* to screw you and you will have no issue with the law.

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Common sense still evades you. Being drunk has nothing to do with the fact that sober or not, this bill redefines rape as a “she said, he said” argument in which the man is guilty basedon words alone, without proof. Words aloneare enough to have the man kicked out of college or convicted.

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This is one of the top articles you’ve written. Well done.

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I’ve caught myself with this useless mentality a couple times actually. Thanks for the fresh perspective.

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Next time I’m on a sinking ship it’s me first, sorry ladies and kiddies. Ba ha. Seriously though, I was just thinking precisely the opposite of the article’s title before visiting the site today. The world’s population is out of control. Period. 1 Billion in 1900, 7+ Billion now. You do the exponential equation we call society’s headcount. If any reader here isn’t sitting in more traffic wherever they live now, than 5 years ago, I’d like to know where that is. Life in general is disposable, and IMHO more fragile now than it has ever been, despite medical advancements.

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fertility rate is dropping everywhere, it is definitely not out of control

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I think men who talk about “disposability” are basically describing themselves. A man who knows his worth, his intelligence, his achievements and potential, would never say he’s “disposable”.

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I think many men such as myself, know and understand that they have high self worth. But when approaching women, their responses seem to reflect that they aren’t perceiving any value at all from the said men. I guess it’s our “job” to convey value but having to do that detracts from being high value. Ferarri doesn’t have to sell you on the idea that it’s a valuable car..it’s evident. But women often don’t see the value in men unless they are tall pretty boys with hard bodies. It’s a reversal of traditional dating. It used to be that men went after the pretty women and the women wanted a decent guy but didn’t pay much attention to looks.

Now many guys are willing to settle for any girl that is a least decent and the epowered women, even the heavy set less attractive ones are holding out for pretty boys that are in shape. That’s feminism for ya.

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If women aren’t perceiving any value at all then either: a. there’s little value there (what women value isn’t the same as what we think they should value, e.g. “a decent guy”) or b. a problem of technique.

Having high self worth/self esteem is also different than the value/worth you know you possess vis-a-vis other people. One can be irrationally self-confident, yet offer very little to others.

I’ve seen a lot of men with hot women and “tall pretty boys with hard bodies” was definitely not the prevailing archetype. Most men though can do much to improve their bodies. I think the benefits are less about appealing to women visually, then inspiring confidence within yourself.

Dismissing women as superficial and brainwashed by feminism is an easy out. Try digging a little deeper to address the things you need to improve to get the women you want. You might consider “Primal Seduction” by Steve Jabba and Nick Krauser. Mindset is far more important than outward appearances.

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Perhaps the idea of men as disposable is phrased badly and should be considered as treated as disposable as there is a strong but subtle difference between the two. Looking at homeless men, forgotten veterans or divorced men who spend the rest of their lives in poverty because of child support and/or alimony this pattern isn’t hard to see. While it may indeed be painful for a man to accept this reality once it’s exposed he can decide what to do with it. For me, it simply means that I must value myself and work hard to ensure that I have some protection against being thrown away. This is the strong motivation behind avoiding things like marriage, poverty or the military since the easiest way to avoid being treated as disposable is to avoid the institutions that would seek to do so.

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Men Are disposable? Ha!

Hey average American female. If you can see past your feelings on green energy, perhaps you can explain how a lightbulb works. Let’s keep it simple, an incandescent light bulb. Heaven forbid you’d have to actually design and build one. And let’s not even get into those fabulous CFL light bulbs you and your progressive activist buddies shoved down our throats.

How many women even understand how the world works, much less can make a REAL difference in changing things for it’s betterment (note: awareness and emotions don’t change reality one iota). Now, if any gender is disposable, explain how it’s the males?

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all humans are disposable by design. We all age and die. nothing is permanent in life.

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The women who usually say this end up to be spinsters. I can understand their anger I guess, on a certain level.
But for a man to say it is disgusting. Then again, never underestimate how far the beta will go to chomp on a moldy breadcrumb of female affection.

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You got this one wrong Roosh. The real reason women are perceived as higher value is because nature ensures that they are the “choosers”. This is due primarily to time investments for reproducing.

A man doesn’t have to invest any time into reproduction beyond 20 minutes to bust one out. The man that wants to be efficient can employ the strategy of quantity. Impregnate as many women as possible, and through simple odds, a number will survive with or without that mans assistance.

Women don’t have this luxury. Women have the time investment of 9 months to have a kid. Therefore the quantity strategy doesn’t work so well. Instead women are better off to go with a quality strategy. If they want the best chance for their genes being spread, they should seek out and evaluate the best possible man they can get and mate with him. This is why women discriminate and men are much looser with standards when deciding who to choose as a mate. This is also why women that are sluts and hook up with anything are broken women.

The end result is men doing pickups by the numbers and girls running their evaluation on men looking for the best genes.

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I wouldn’t even say their the choosers. Men are the initiators and women are the responders… Women are the gatekeepers of sex. Men are the keyholders. What’s a gate without a key? What’s a key without a gate? Besides that, great comment!

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You wanna bang a 10? Hire an escort. You wanna keep a 10 for an LTR or marriage? Become a board-certified hypnotist.

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Have you ever seen a hypnotist really control people that well?

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I once in a while jump back here and read things. A lot of the stuff I don’t have time for or necessarily agree with, but this is a very worthwhile post.

-Corncob

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Long time no see.

Corncob
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Yep.

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Would you support women fighting in the front lines? Especially with the advent of exoskeleton technology bringing them to be physically on par with men?

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That statement is a stealth limiting belief to make people follow orders and accept a mediocre life.

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this is why i have taken a break from the manosphere. i am getting tired of the perpetuated beliefs like this. Being reminded everyday of the “reality” of sex differences is not good for your mind. unless you have zero worth and are a complete newbie to game, then it only serves to make you bitter.

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The ev psych book the red queen further suggests that men served the purpose of helping humans outrace parasites by allowing offspring to develop more complicated immunities than they could from asexual reproduction. More pointedly, if males were useless more species would have evolved not to use them…a few have but not that many.

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Men are not disposable? Tell that to a hardworking 28 year old man who does his ultimate best but the last time he hot laid was three years ago. Tell that to the 45 year old dedicated husband and father who is sexually rejected by his wife because she’s spoiled by images of perfect male models spouted daily on TV.

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1. What and who is stopping that hardworking 28 y.o. male from saving some money, learning a foreign language and leaving North America for good?? It’s all in HIS OWN hands! If he wants to continue living his life as a slave and a robot in North America without getting laid in 3+ years then he can try and keep up with the rat race hoping that “one day he’ll meet the girl of his dreams” which obviously ain’t ever gonna happen. Or he can man up, dare to stand up and be counted, to lead by example and live his life the way he wants!
2. I do understand that it’s a lot harder for a 45 y.o. married male with kids, but again, why can’t he start working out on a regular basis instead of a pub round with beer and wings? ANY and I repeat-ANY male can allocate 1 hour a day for a workout, be it a gym, swimming pool, martial arts or a game of basketball or volleyball. How about turning the tide, getting into shape and shaming the WIFE for not attempting to improve herself?? Play with the cards your are dealt and it is possible to win if you it the right way! Improvements come from within! No magician will come and change your life to the better, but you can always do it yourself!!

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Dude you better get out this country man….. Think of all the hottest women on t.v pop videos/rap videos. Whatever you can see there, those women exist in other countries, just anxious to make a man happy. Seriously…

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Not fatties. No women like fatties.

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The solution is very simple and easy to find! STOP BENG PUSSIES! Man up, dare to stand up and be counted, to have and own opinion and to lead by example!
Who are modern North American males? Just a bunch of pussified slaves, robots, androids willing to obey every order they are given and to comply with every female demand in a vain hope to get that elusive access to female pussy. Do they succeed while obeying? NO! Do they keep doing the same thing over and over hoping to get different results? YES! So, who is to blame after all??
Do not blame women, blame males who’ve lowered their standards and selection criteria, who gave up, became speechless robots, tiny rats in an eternal rat race trying to “keep up with the Jones”.
EVERY North American female always has hordes of sex hungry and desperate males following her and listening to every female demand or even fighting about the right to be the first one to try and meet that demand/requirement.
It ain’t ever gonna change until males stop being pussies! North American male’s behavior made the current state of things in dating possible!

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In the 1 man, 200 women tribe scenario, a disease that targets the genetic weakness of that man will wipe out all of his descendants and eventually the whole tribe. Genetic diversity is critical to the survival of any species.

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Part of solid inner game is realizing that as a man, you have far more innate power, ability and integrity than a woman. Who sacrifices their lives for their country? Who invented almost every gadget in your pocket and home? Who built the airplanes that take you to poosy paradise? Who wrote the bible, the Illiad, and Hamlet?

Feminism wants to destroy man’s rightful place in society and diminish his culture and accomplishments. Don’t let them.

Molon labe.

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This is a cynical thing to say. This was because during the past centuries, men had the chance and right to get an education and they inherited the family propety – which they, in many cases, screwed up. Since women get an education, they can invent just as great things as men. Have you ever seen great female veterinarians, doctors, engineers, professors? Have you ever heard about Madame Curie or Angela Merkel? Creep out of the rock and look around. If you can get along without women so well, why do you get married at all? Let’s see how many gadget you design or how you build any airplane when you have nobody to prepare your meals, wash your laundry, keep your home clean, and wipe your a*.

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An interesting fact, I hope : Inuits survived for centuries in Northern Canada, regrouped in small bands where most of the baby girls were killed at birth because the tribe needed more hunters than women. Men had to share a small number of women.

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This means that a huge quantity of men never got the chance to see pussy. As sad as today.

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They shared the few women that were available.

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The women having more value than men is only true when the assessment is being made within your own social group. That is, it is only true when the women are ‘your own’. When you are outside that social group those women are less valuable than men within your social group.

Take for example, two opposing social groups. One, A, composed of 199 women and one man lording it as the alpha harem leader, and another social group B composed entirely of 199 men that are shut out from the other social group.

Who has more value to the social group in A, women obviously.

Who has more value to the social group in B, men obviously.

In men’s minds, women only have more value than the men in a social group, when those women are the men’s women.

And more and more are western women no longer becoming western men’s women.

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Feminism=GENDER APARTHEID(APART-HATE)

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It cant change since women are educated to attract and men are educated to conquer them. Or brainwashed? But yeah thats what the red pill is for. A real man should teach that to his offsprings. Actually they should talk that at schools as part of one of the problems of our society teaching women to be quite stupid in real matters and witty on guessing or superflous matters.

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I will rephrase people with low IQ’s are disposable….

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The manosphere needs to understand that the “disposable man” and the “manipulated man” are ideas created by the likes of GirlWritesWhat and Esther Vilar. These women could be described as MRA’s, which is not what we and Roosh really are.

The point of these ideas (manipulated/disposable man) is to convince us that patriarchy is actually bad. Karen and Esther always says that in the days of the patriarchy, men were like workhorses, who suffered unfairly hoping for the respect of women, while women sat lazily and comfortably. Men were treated disposably by the ones in power – told to die in wars and coal mines at the drop of a hat – because everybody falsely believed in the idea of males being the protectors of females due to evolutionary programming.

Ultimately, the MRA’s want gender equality, through a different door than feminism. More about logic and objectivity, less about bullying. And if you are Red Pill, hopefully we do not have to explain to you that gender equality/sameness is not as great as it sounds.

No, men were not disposable. No, the patriarchy probably did not make men useless. How could such useless, disposable, manipulated men have risen up to fight the British in our American revolution? It is really a silly idea, but what the fuck do you expect from a woman’s mind? And while the modern woman “ain’t got no need for no man,” either objectively or subjectively, we are not really disposable anymore.

This is why we need to stop using these terms.

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Stop saying than men aren’t disposable.

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also add to the fact that we pretty much keep civilization running. while biologically a sperm is worth less than an egg, in reality men are more valuable due to them having a higher overall contribution to society. producers are more valuable than consumers, men are producers, we generate wealth, build shit, keep it running. women have always been consumers, they have always had to find a man to provide for them because they couldn’t do it for themselves, and if they could not as well. the only thing keeping women from being second class citizens is their young bodies, that is literally the only resource most of them provide, and they sure as hell charge a lot more than they’re worth.

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put it this way, if 90% of men died, the remainder would have a lot of fun while reverting to caveman tribes because there’s not enough of them to keep all this shit running. if 90% of women died, civilization can still be kept running because the men are still there to run things, but things will still probably go to hell because they’ll kill each other competing for the few remaining women, unless the majority are mgtow, lolol.

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I think you didn’t get it. The concept of “men are disposable” is meant as a CRITICISM of current standards. Society behaves as if men were more disposable than women, and that’s the criticism.

– Safety standards for Norwegian caterpillar drivers were scrutinized in earnest only after the first women entered the job; before, nobody cared

– In any movie, hundreds of nameless men can die without much fuss, but when the one woman gets harmed, this is always a very emotional and critical part of the plot

– etc
you can google for more evidence if you want

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Well written, but why are the men the ones sent off to fight fratrecidal wars if men are not the ‘disposable ones’? I think because we’ve been indoctrinated to believe it and our natural tendencies to protect have been perverted- by a false sense of tribalism, hey hey USA. Do you share my religion, or my belief in democracy? Then you’re my brother, no matter the skin color. Versus a more sane view of blood and soil, connection to kinfolk and connection to earth- but then again Americans have been losing both of those steadily. The way forward is the way backward. Let’s be positive, let’s also be realist. Men are not disposable. This is a myth. Well said- now the problem is what it’s always been, outsing the fradulent ones, the zeitgeist makers, whoever they are, and I have found the enemy and he is me.

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This article is dumb. Yeah, we know we’re not disposable, but society thinks we are. That’s why we’re fighting.

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One of the BIGGEST problems with modern men & boys, is that they are EXTREMELY attracted to women & girls (emotionally, romantically, lustfully, sexually, etc), irrespective of their races, ethnicities, cultures, etc, even at the cost of their OWN lives, families, wealth, resources, and so on. Whether you call this evolutionary programming, biological hard-wiring, mental states of males, & so on, the real reasons for these attitudes are present in male brains, nervous systems, genitals, & so on. Now, we MUST rise to the next level of human liberation, wherein NO human being should be dependent on another human being for their needs & wants. We MUST quickly & drastically implement highly technological trans-humanist technologies, advanced medical & healthcare systems, artificial reproductive technologies, bio-technologies, genetic engineering, social re-wiring & mental programming, periodical or biological immortalities, & so on, for the betterment of ALL people.

IGNORE the people who still claim that human males are disposable. IGNORE the people who tend to discourage & demoralize innocent men & boys of this world. We are living in modern era of gender wars. We HAVE to save our lives. We HAVE to be useful to our societies & communities. No matter the costs.

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The Red Pill and people like RooshV highlight common hypocrisies about female behavior. And yes these behaviors are unconscious reflexive hard wired in. In the next few decades it is likely the real underlining wiring and algorithms for these behaviors will be found. Somewhere along the way true AI will be created, it will be crude, unimpressive and almost not noticed. This will happen, think of AI like powered flight, its obvious it can be done as its all around us, its just how to do it, clearly it is possible.

Every issue we have now with women will only become worse with trans-humanist technologies. Successive generation of AI will produce real androids and sex-bots that will give better and better sex. They will have low level integration of sensing every physical vital sign. They will be natural experts at emotional manipulation. As the algorithm that makes a guy fall in love will be precisely known these sex-bots will be programmed to perfectly push these buttons. Interaction with them will be more like playing with heroin. A sex android could help guys be the best they can be. Or used as a way to exploit men by siphoning off all of a guys resources to a third party. Total co-dependence for a guys benefit or destitution.

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Men are disposable because people have less empathy for men who have it bad. Not such a hard thing to figure out. Both men and women do this.

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That is not the argument being made. The argument is that it is instinctive to us to value women more. Because when humans did evolve population numbers were low. The humans that had the best chance for survival were the ones that the men died before the women. This could have even happened before humans were a species, but was reinforced through selection pressures.

No ones arguing that it’s useful today, only that it plays a role in social interaction.

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I think you misunderstood. Disposability embodies several aspects that need not result in death, but abandonment, exploitation, etc… One of the greater realizations achieved during an early stage of MGTOW enlightenment is the uncomfortable truth that a major social and relationship paradigm socializes men to not only accept disposibility as a major form of moral validation.

In a sense, practically since birth boys and men are socialized to believe mindless personal and self sacrifice is one of the highest goals a male is obligated to make for the benifit of state, society and western woman. During enlightenment the future Mgtow discovers society, the state and western women in general has adopted a view that they are completely entitled to his life to use and casually discard when his use is no longer needed.

He realizes whenever he expresses dreams, hopes and desires uniquely beneficial to himself, unless that hope and desire benefits the state, society and western women more, he is then viewed with scathing hostility, and usually called selfish.

As the enlightenment process continues, he realizes that his previous sense of self did not include a concept of his worth and value separate from what it was determined to be by the state, society and western women whose conditions, demands and ultimatums often included increasing ambivilance towards him.

When enlightenment is achieved, he determines his own standards of self worth and value, and from there he creates the means to improve his life while avoiding many bad choices and decisions that contributed to his former psychological problems.

Disposibility in this context becomes a term used to contrast a former mode of existence with his current state.

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The common statement from the MRM and MGTOWs is this nonsense that one man and x number of women can reproduce the human population. What they fail to realize is that the second generation of offspring would be reproducing with their half brother/half sister, which is inbreeding. And inbreeding has long term disastrous consequences. That’s why these loser MGTOWs who openingly lie about when humans faced the bottleneck, lie about genetics and how many mating pairs there were during that time. And then there is what Roosh pointed out how there’s more to humans than reproduction. The fact that we are here, our priority is to survive.

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This writer seems to be unaware of why men’s groups are saying males are “disposable”. Mostly it is statistics. The other part is social valuation. Males are the last ones off the boat. The first line of defense in wars. The most marginalized in families. Their value is measure in dollars and labor.

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Disposability is not what you say it is in the article. Disposability has nothing to do with intrinsic worth in itself. It simply means that the survival of the species depends on men dying to protect the tribe. The people saying “men are disposable” are not advocating it, they calling it out and opposing it. There are many cultural aspects carried on from the early biological development of modern man, and male disposability is one of them.