The 1-10 Scale

I’m familiar with two ways to rate a girl’s appearance: the binary scale and the 1-10 scale. The binary scale tells only says if a girl is bangable or not, but doesn’t describe the degree of bangability like the 1-10 scale, which my circle of man friends prefer using.

We calibrate the 1-10 scale by starting with 7, a rating that describes girl-next-door cuteness. She has no major flaws and is girlfriend material for 90% of guys. The problem with 7’s is one of relativity: while out with one you run into a handful of girls who are better looking than her. In most men this stirs thoughts of “Can I do better?”

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An 8 is very cute. The relativity problem disappears but one of personality emerges instead. The hotter a girl is, the less she has had to work on her personality to be liked by others. Because her looks have been enough to get her what she’s wanted throughout her entire life, she does not have the training or desire to go the extra mile to please and engage you.

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A 9 is what most men would describe as “hot.” Getting a 9 seems to be more luck and timing than skill because—besides celebrities—there is no man who consistently gets them. The personality problem you had with an 8 is multiplied with a 9 in logarithmic fashion.

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The only difference between a 9 and 10 is makeup, clothing, lighting, or photoshop, so therefore 10’s do not exist naturally in the wild. Describing a girl as a 10, or dime piece, is unreasonable since you are admitting that the girl is perfect, something that no human is.

A 6 is a girl who is cute when she works at it, but her flaws are easier to notice. Still, it’s a respectable rating. Anything under a 6 means you need to drink alcohol to get aroused for sex, especially when you get into the “monster” range of 3 and below. Every man has banged a monster in his life, because men are unable to resist free, no investment sex.

Except me, of course. :paranoid:

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That’s a fairly accurate description of the 1-10 scale. You can further break it down into 3 categories (face, tits, ass/legs) that each get a scale of their own and use the aggregate of those scores to create the larger 1-10 scale ranking.

and yes, quantitative analysis, it’s just that deep.

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You have to admit, though, that this is all relative. I think your 7 girl is much better looking than your 8. But your 9 is as drop-dead gorgeous as they come, probably because she seems bitchy, which skews any beauty assessment higher.

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That’s funny because I thought the 7 was meh. If she threw herself at me or I was drunk I would hit it; otherwise I wouldn’t put much effort into it. The 8 I would be foaming at the mouth to try and bang. I’d rate her a 9. The 9 I also thought was meh. Better than the 7 but not by much.

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Definitely a well-reasoned scale. I’ve always based mine on five being “eh,” six being where “cute” starts and going from there. That leaves me with a majority in the 7-8 range, and makes it difficult to go higher. (Good point on the 10s being nigh impossible.) This has not sat well with many of my friends, who toss around their 8’s and 9’s freely, and rarely objectively rate someone 7 or lower.

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Your 7 is downright nasty. The 9 is a 10 in my book.

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I think you are off by one point. That 7 is a 6, that 8 is a 7 and that 9 is an 8.

Here is a real 9
http://www.channel4.com/entertainment/t4/media/G/gallery/orangebafta/rachelmcadams_300.jpg

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I beg to differ on the nonexistence of 10s. Case in point:

http://esther.el.cx/pics/events-sightings/estherfulllf1.jpg

even for you guys who only go for white chicks, I challenge you to find a flaw.

go.

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sk3ptic:

Rachel McAdams is beautiful, but she has no body and her beauty is more “cute.” She’s more the kid sister type.

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Roosh — does your scale account for physical enhancements through plastic surgery? These include, but are not limited to:

breast implants
nose job
liposuction
lip injections
botox

Significant natural beauty is extremely difficult to find.

As for 8s and 9s, they are VERY rarely without boyfriends or husbands. If you have the opportunity (whatever it may be), you run with it immediately.

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you guys are on crack. roosh, your 7 is atrocious. i think judging a girl’s appearance is completely subjective. one man’s rachel mcadams is another’s giselle. also, what about decimals on the point system? you can’t just hop from a 7 to an 8 or even an 8 to a 9.

i do, however, agree with jay that natural beauty is very difficult to find these days. you should have two separate scales: one for superficial, paid-for, enhanced beauty versus one for natural, simpler beauty (nothing wrong with either, in my opinion).

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Fake boobs are an automatic turnoff for me. I can’t give a chick with fake boobs who needs her hair and makeup to be flawless in order to be a 9 the same rank as a chick who can fall out of bed, throw on some sweats and toss a hand through her hair and still pull up to an 8-9 range. They can’t even be in the same game.

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I think this one is a 9.5, if not a 10. Comments?

http://www.imninalu.net/BeautifulLadies_file/KristinKreuk.jpg

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These point systems are highly subjective but I’ll echo JGatsby’s comment. Non-surgically enhanced beauty should be given a premium for its rarity. Among my own idiosyncracies are an appreciation for blue or green eye color with black or dark hair (just like Roosh’s 9 or Kristin Kreuk). Hot women always have boyfriends and the transition from one boyfriend to the next occurs in the blink of an eye so yes, getting one is a combination of timing, luck, and invariably, tight game.

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what’s really interesting about this post, and sites like hotornot, is just how much more men *agree* on something like female beauty that is supposedly subjective and immune to generalization. sure, the numbers might swing +/- 1 but the trends are unmistakeable. most guys reading this agree that the attractiveness of each girl you posted increases toward the bottom photo (arjewtino being the notable exception — that first girl is no way as good-looking as the second).

if 40 guys go out to a bar they’ll all be gawking over the same 2 or 3 girls. there will be amusing arguments quibbling about the tenths decimal place of the 8s and 9s, but there won’t be any mistaking which girls are in the running.

i’d stick with the dime piece rating. calling a girl a 10 isn’t saying she’s perfect as much as it is saying she’s three sigmas away from the mean.

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I have to agree with Arjewtino on your ‘7’ girl being hotter than the ‘8’. I’d give your 8 a 6.5-7. But I guess its all personal preference. The ‘9’ girl is very pretty.
You have to attribute personality into it a bit, too. I’d take a nice 7 over a shitty 9 any day.
An attractive personality, to me at least, tends to add 1 or 2 points to your initial size-up.

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Ah yes, the power of personality points. They can be the deciding factor in terms of whether a girl is wifeable, but in the initial sizeup personality points are a non-factor.

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Rooshv,

Big time fan, I first started reading your blog about a year ago. I’m living on the panhandle of Florida, and in even in the Redneck Riveria your words still ring true.

Anyways, I’m visiting DC this weekend (Sat), where is the party going to be?
Love to buy a book and get it signed.

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Apparently the heebs here are a bit out of sync with everyone else. Your 7 is at best a 5, suitable for post-bar street game but little else. Primary reason being that you can’t look at her face and tell with 100% certainty she is not in fact a man. Your 8 falls to maybe a 6.5 based on the ‘tries too hard’ clause (see below.) Your 9 is, well, a solid 9, but you need to give her some kind of handicap for being clearly Spanish and thus an unbearable nightmare when not actually fucking. Not that any of us would mind.

The ‘tries too hard’ clause automatically knocks at least a point and a half off a chick. As mike says, uh, says, a beautiful woman falls out of bed that way. I’ve seen more than enough of them to know it’s true. Your middle girl has a bottle tan, Lord knows how many different bottle hair colors and enough lip gloss to winterproof a Bayliner. That’s trying too hard. As discussed above, fake boobs are even worse.

The primary reason for this? When women try too hard, they are doing so not to impress men, but other women. What man turns to his buddy and says, “Man, check out that chick’s highlights”? None. (Well, none besides INPY.) Because we don’t give a shit. Only other women do. We don’t care about what brand of gigantic goggle glasses a woman decided to wear to the Mall; only other women do. It’s poor marketing. It’s like fishing with a pheasant gun; you might bag one if you’re lucky, but your aim is in the wrong direction.

The top girl says, “I like to herd sheep.” The second girl says” I wasted three hours getting my face ready to come to this waterfront bar so I’d look better than my girlfriends.” The last girl says, “You’re 100 years too early to fuck me.” Who do you think the guys are going to go gaga for?

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Oh, and mike says, your flaw? Visible stretch marks. I won’t even hold it against her that letting a girl like that on top is like going rounds with Mike Tyson.

Roissy, much props for bringing Six Sigma into this. By your logic all we need to do is round up 380 or so women and we’ll find our 10 (Or 9.973, at least) A gentleman’s wager says, given the average DC sample, it ain’t happening.

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whereas i pretty much agree with this scale, i think all of these girls could be equal in attractiveness if they were photographed in the same conditions. basically, if the 7 and the 8 could get the angle/hair/make up/photoshopping of the 9, they could all be relatively equal. i suggest you post photos where the playing field is evened out for better analysis. there are too many variables.

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Totally subjective. Wouldn’t approach either 7 or 9. Attitude problems. 8 is the hottest, in my opinion, and not because she’s the stereotypical blonde with big boobs but because she’s smiling and seems to have a pleasant disposition……plus I’d love to play with those big boobs….

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Jewcano, your analysis of the “tries too hard” clause is so on the money it’s scary. Way to pick up the ball and run with it.

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Yes very subjective, while I’d always give a Kiera Knightley or the blond from Layer Cake a 9+ ~ 9.3? the thought of one of those two women actually being nice, thoughtful, knowing the perfect gift for you, etc. is not in harmony.
You can’t get there from a 9+. Although it is probably the hope of those of us still “studying” women that we can shape them to be that way with our alpha rays. Still I think by just living your life with character and a nice vibe – I call it flow – that is probably the only way a woman with that killer combo is ever likely to hook up IF the timing is also right too. Probably more time is spent in prep for the long shot than alot of us would like to admit, but we do end up with more women smile and we jettison the unworthy ones with relatively little pain. *I have a thing for the British and Austrailian accents too – or my examples would be just solid 9s

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jewcano, true, we’ll have to go to 23 sigma to find a 10 in DC, which are odds so astronomically low that it makes this city the anti-dime piece, sucking in 10s from as far away as the orion nebula and turning them into 5s who smell like litter boxes.

“i think all of these girls could be equal in attractiveness if they were photographed in the same conditions.”

:laugh:
oh, my sides.

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Maybe if they were airbrushed into a different person. I think giving the first two 7 and 8 ratings is being a bit nice. I’d shift the first two down by two points and the third down by me.

Perhaps living on the west coast has skewed my perceptions >_

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First one 1 from 10
Second one 2 from 10
And the third is yes 9

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the scale is very personal, but among my friends…

9 are “wanna be model/ former models /similiar” – you 9 could be a 9 (given full figure smile

10s are like 9 but more famous (eg: models, huge social proof, peacocking girls.)

said that:
8 are girls who are “hot”, usually better looking than most of the people around. they do stand out

7 (7and half)are “pretty to beautiful girls”, you might know from classroom, work and such ( so i guess both your 7 and 8 are “7” in my scale…)

6 are fuckable girls, that you may like but other friends don’t… example asian girls, skinny girls, big nose girls, no tits-girls….

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I like to break it down in a 1-20 scale. Being in the military we had to use this scale because 1-10 was easy to figure out when we were calling up our guys on the radio to let them know a good looker was walking their way.

Here’s how it worked

Your # Our #
1-6 1-10 (nothing worth reporting – or getting in trouble over, because who knows who is listening in on unsecure communication radios)
7 11-13
8 14-16
9 17-19

Of course, you can see we were able to break it down further to the exact hottness (what kind of hott she is: slutty, natural or girl next door, and exotic) of the said 7, 8, or 9.

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sorry but this is just sick.

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This scale that most men apply to rate women is a bunch of crap.

I have witnessed many male friends give out these seemingly arbitrary ratings to all kinds of women. Much to my suprise, most of the women that I would deem average looking or below average were rated much higher by my male friends. I am talking about women with muffin tops (i.e. the over hang that accompanies fat stomachs, women with completely flat asses, women with srawny bowlegs etc.).

I have come to the conclusion that men are just not that picky and will take practically anyone to bed if given the opportunity. What men think is “bedable” isn’t based on a ridculous list of characteristics as detailed in the article, rather it is just dependent on whether the male in question can imagine having intimate contact with said female and her bodyparts (i.e. does she have huge breasts but not a pretty face then she is probably a go, is she tiny and petite spinner then she’s a go, does she look like and act like a dirty skank then she is okay etc..).

So the reality is that men have a h-u-g-e range of what they consider attractive and that ratings scale therefore is really meaningless.

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What I find ridiculous about men and their 1-10 scale is that they do not take into consideration their own attractiveness & personality. Why do all men think they can get any woman? And honestly, the reality is.. every single person looks different. One man + one woman = one child with various characteristics, and men go on brainlessly rating these people (the females.) I’m definitely not the kind of girl who looks a certain way to impress other girls, but no way in hell would I want to be rated from 1-10, that has nothing to do with who I am. And I’m pretty damn awesome. Nor am I unattractive. Give the ratings up men . . .

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Julie:

“Why do all men think they can get any woman?”

To answer your question, yes any man can get any type of woman (1 thru 10) because most women are gettable based on a man’s personality (big sense of humor for ex), status (corp boss or college athelete for ex), economic status (what kind of car you drive) or power, or any combination of these including male foreigners in third world countries (like Brazil/Argentina which Roosh emphasizes alot). You obviously never asked yourself why Larry King (from CNN) goes out with a model? Why does Hugh Heffner go out with three cute chicks at the same time? Of course these examples are not the norm for your average guy but the underlying principal remains the same: guys can pick up girls that are physically much more attractive than they are based on certain other attainable factors.

Vanessa:

Good point!! However you being Slavic (or Brazilian or Argentinian or most countries outside of USA) have much higher standards for female beauty as most american girls cannot compete with the foreign girls from most regions in the world (especially europe/eastern europe and south america) hence most american men who are not in the know must settle/fight over ugly fat american girls with shotty personalities. Several exemptions are Miami (very pretty girls), Texas (cute blondes and mexican girls) and Southern Cal.

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Seriously? A girl not worthy of ‘banging’ in your eyes is a ‘monster’. The way you talk about women on this site borders on sick sometimes- I appreciate the bluntness but thats crossing a line. A woman is still a woman whether your dick repsonds to her or not.

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Yeah. Overall your scale is pretty good. Its just that I do mine in a completely different way. Sort of like Mike said, i break it into three parts. the face is out of 3. the tits are out of 3. and the lower body (ass, legs whatever) is out of 4. then i add it all up. except i dont do decimals. i only do whole numbers and sometimes halfs.

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how do you do the rating scale?? i.e what is it bassed on?? is it head… body… legs?? or what??

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I think the 7 is a 6 and the 8 is a 7. The 9 is a 10.

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Good scale! I would say that I also add a flavor of jolly rancher to every girl as well. This helps with the differential between Sexy(a girl you lust after) and hot(a gorgous girl).

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I personally that the 8 is hottest. She’s closer to a 9 and the 9 you have is in the lower 8 ranger. Then again, its probably just me. I don’t really like short hair on girls that much….
Also, its important to me that a girl makes an effort to look good and that she’s into the latest trends. Some girls have a lot of potential but they’re just too plain for me and dress like their mothers.

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9 girl What is the name

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It’s very hard for a girl to rate themselves with this

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i love having sex

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i love having sex

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It’s amazing to me that a guy could have the nerve to say that women from different places are more attractive than others, and make some hasty generalizations based on stupid stereotypes, and yet, they would totally bang a 10 from Kansas or something. Like you actually can determine where a girl is from based of her level of appealingness? Grow up.

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I basically agree with your methodology, but not the examples you give. I generally say that the scale goes from 0 to 10, but with 0 and 10 both being impossible. I think decimals are OK. Certainly with a room full of 8’s I can still establish a ranking. I’d further say that only about 10% of women are 7 or higher.

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LOLLL haha I love this. Guys rating girls, completely oblivious to the fact that girls rate guys as well. As far as my girlfriends and I are concerned, if a guy is a bit podgy (i.e. has moobs…EW) then he is just plain gross. Totally not worth getting into bed with, no matter how much money he has or what car he drives.
Guys, if you’re plain looking, girls will be chuckling and sneering behind your backs. End of.

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This is confusing.
I was looking this up to try and rate myself, just to try and understand all this. But I’m not getting it.
Can’t wait 4 college when I can take classes on all this stuff and even start to get it.