The 3 Immutable Laws Of Getting The Highest Quality Women

Every six months or so I do a regressive analysis on my most recent sexual relationships. I ask myself the following questions:

  • Where are your lays coming from?
  • What is the ROI on the venues you are approaching in?
  • Do you see any common patterns among the girls you have been happiest with?

The last question has led to a surprising conclusion that I can no longer deny: the girls who have treated me the best had merely slightly above average beauty. In other words, the girls who played the fewest games with me, answered the phone whenever I called, replied back to texts immediately, rarely complained or whined, and attempted to make all my sexual dreams come true had beauty that was not especially high. They were cute, but I have done better in terms of raw attractiveness, sometimes significantly so.

Let’s say that my overall value in Eastern Europe is a 7.5. If I date a girl who is also a 7.5 in beauty, which is comparable to my value, I will have to keep my game sharp at all times. She will test me regularly and be generally challenging even in a normal relationship. If I date a girl who is an 8.5, the relationship is hanging on a string. One little mistake on my end and she may be gone. It will only be a short-term relationship that I beat myself up about when it’s over.

The more I date down, the easier it is to manage the girl in a relationship. She will essentially do whatever I want and treat me like a king, but when I’m out with her on my arm and see many girls more beautiful than her, I feel like a failure. I’m jealous of other men who have obviously better looking women than me, and that I’m selling myself short based on how hard I tried to improve myself as a man. I just can’t escape the negative feelings no matter how much I try, so beauty is a requirement I can’t let go of.

So therein lies the dilemma. Back in my pump and dump days, I would sometimes have a lucky night out and bang a very pretty girl, maybe because she was on the rebound, but maintaining a relationship with her is quite different that fornicating with her one or twice. It’s almost as if the work is just beginning once you bang such a high value girl, but with the girl whose quality is lower, it’s smooth sailing after the initial penetration. In the latter case, you just have to show up and she’ll worship you.

I’m the type of man who likes to have his cake and eat it too (a silly idiom, for if you have cake you definitely want to eat it), so I thought about this problem and asked myself how I could have the beautiful girl who also worships me. By looking into my past, I came up with three possible solutions:

1. Find a beautiful girl who, for some reason, is insecure or unaware of her value (she almost always is under 25).
2. Find a beautiful girl who lives in a city that lacks good men while having a disproportionate amount of other beautiful women.
3. Be a 10 guy who is higher value than just about everyone.

The first point is not location-dependent. You can find this type of girl anywhere in the world, but it will require an immense number of approaches. In effect, you’re looking for a needle in a haystack. In my 10+ years of gaming, I have found less than 10 of them. It’s hard to develop a strategy on meeting these girls, but focusing on day game is the best way to start.

The second point is obviously location-dependent. In effect, you’re looking for poosy paradise where local environmental factors greatly aid in a man’s search for beautiful women. You will be looking for a non-Western location with a high busted dudes score and a population of more women than men (it is possible to find this type of advantage in the West only if you develop a localized niche). This is what I have been doing for roughly the past five years, searching for the one place where my value is higher due to local factors.

The third point is limited by genetic factors. Some men, no matter how hard they work, will never be a 10, but it is our duty to hit the limit that our genetics allow, both in appearance, resource accumulation, charm, and interestingness. If you are a 4 currently, and your genetic ceiling is a 6, it’s still in your best interest to reach for that value. I figure my default value is a 5 (average), but with strenuous work I pulled it up to something in the 7’s.

From whichever angle I look at it, the same answers to the “woman problem” keep popping up, and years of experience both in America and abroad keep supporting these conclusions. They are essentially the three immutable laws for any man to lay a beautiful woman and keep her in a way that provides him with happiness. Here they are:

1. Learn game.
2. Increase your value as much as possible through work, effort, and persistence.
3. Be as location independent as possible (have penis, will uproot).

This is the “secret.” From the time I was 22 to about 28, I diligently worked on game, racking up god knows how many approaches. From approximately 26 to 33, I got my money right by publishing over 15 books that earn me passive income today and which allow me to pursue non-monetary goals like learning a new language. From around 28 to currently, I have researched over 20 countries in the search of poosy paradise, and while my standards seem to always stay just ahead of my results, I have drastically increased both the quality of women I’ve layed and the happiness of mini relationships I’ve ended up with.

I know some guys are thinking, “But I can’t spend years to travel to find my poosy paradise!” Then you’ll have to massively step up your efforts in the other two areas. If you nail at least two of the three, you should have strong results. If you can nail all three, then you are probably hitting your ceiling. Within the next few years, I will lay the highest quality girls that is possible based on who I am. Then I will enter my 40’s and start seeing a decline (based on the same amount of work).

It’s important to note that my increase in qualitative results with women have been so gradual I can’t perceive it in real time. Every couple of years it gets just a tiny bit better, a change so slow that only when I look at girls I banged several years ago do I realize the jump I’ve made. The sad thing is that with such a slow change, you really don’t feel like you’re getting better, so the struggle of yesterday always remains with you today.

Tomorrow I will wake up and still have to tweak my game to deal with ever changing factors that require different strategies to attract a higher quality of women I want. I still have to keep my value high and make sure my money is good. I still have to be flexible with my location, and get ready to move away from places that used to serve me in the past but have recently changed. For most of us not born with top genetic looks or stock, the quest for great women is all encompassing, continuous, exhausting, and full of hardship. That’s never going to change, and most men will say no to taking this path because it’s harder than playing video games or watching sports, but for men like myself who want to enjoy its rewards, at least we know what we have to do.

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“the girls who have treated me the best had merely slightly above average beauty.” – hypergamy. The higher your value in comparison to the girl’s, the more she likes you, the better she treats you. If you’re her equal she doesnt like you that much. If you’re beneath her she’ll be a horrible person to you. Most love relationships are the cycle from infatuation to contempt: how the girl thought you were the man, or you tried to make her see you as a man (beta game), till you faded into a frog in her eyes. Solution, climb the ladder and be the top man (hot girls will want you, be nice to you), then avoid anything that devaluates you, including putting her on a pedestal, any supplicative behavior, etc.

Lots of guys want to get a girl they can put on a pedestal – that will never work.

Chuck @alphanextdoor.com
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I like your solution, especially if your in a LTR, in fact, I cant think about any other way to not lose control …. If you fail to “evolve” faster than the competition or her, its going to go to shit before you reach the 2 years mark.

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There is also a location dependent method, and that involves having a tight-knit social circle in your community and being a high-status leader in this community.

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I gotta say, you have a rather deep understanding of such a superficial concept such as picking up women. But, no matter how superficial, it is still an essential part of our life. However, you are missing one important aspect of the game with women. While a man should strive to improve himself in every way, if he strived to improve the life of a beautiful woman too, he would make her value him much higher than any of her past experiences. That way you would be able to attain a 10 with any woman you want. Also, if you wanted to move on, you wouldn’t feel bad for doing so but you’d feel like you’ve enriched her life. In my experience, by using women who rated me as a 10 has allowed me to steadily pick up even better women.

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“if he strived to improve the life of a beautiful woman too, he would make her value him much higher than any of her past experiences. That way you would be able to attain a 10 with any woman you want.”

That’s not being attractive, that’s being useful. Improving their life won’t give you any benefit. Almost every beta in the country would do anything to “improve the life of a beautiful woman”, and they’re still miles away from attaining a 10.

The only way that works is improving their life temporarily by giving her the opportunity to be with an exciting man.

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This is unfortunately true – improvement can be done for the self, but it is arguable whether it leads to more women or a higher quality of woman.

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Pantheon, you are mistaken. No beta knows how to improve a woman’s life so that she is not only attracted to you but she rates you above all others. Only an Alpha knows. If you’re an Alpha, you will always be Alpha, and there is no way that your improvement of a woman’s life will be temporary or short-lived. You will always dominate and make her feel like a woman, while also making her follow your lead as a consequence of that improvement. It’s about making her rate you a 10, because no matter how much you improve yourself, in some women’s eyes, you will never be good enough.

Pantheon Dweller
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Don’t be so vague, if you’re going to tell me I’m wrong, at least give some examples of what you mean by “improving a woman’s life”.

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I’m sorry, I thought I was clear about that in my first post. By “improving a woman’s life” I meant everything a MAN does for A WOMAN. But in a nutshell, it would mean that you soak up everything she’s saying, creating a big picture of her life and then spotting the minor details in there which you can influence and improve. If she was neglected, give her a little bit of attention. If she is insecure or has a silly complex (eg. the shape of her toes), lift her up and tell her she’s being silly, etc. You have to be a man! And that also means not using the knowledge of her insecurities or habits to get back at her or whatever. Only when you attain the ability of foretelling what women need will you be able to get the insight into their true nature and capabilities. I could write about this for days and still not cover everything but I think you got the picture. However, if you need some adjustment to be THAT man, I suggest martial arts. It will teach you everything about strategy, chivalry, mental and physical toughness and a general value of life. In short, it will improve you as a man.

Pantheon Dweller
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That’s what I thought, your examples of “being a man” are what every beta already does, giving attention and comforting insecurities. This advice is what you can read anywhere in the mainstream media… and it doesn’t work.

From my experience, her insecurities are good for you, beautiful but insecure girls are low-maintenance and they would do anything to please you.

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Betas are pussies and cannot provide attention and comfort in the right amounts. Only alpha can. The point is in having the right balance in giving and taking. If you’re a greater giver, women will see you as a beta. If you’re a taker, they’ll see you as a selfish twat. If you know when to take and when to give, she’ll want you because you’re a well rounded man. In my experience 60% taking, 40% giving will do you perfectly. What I don’t understand is your need to be told what to do when it comes to ladies. Observe. Adapt the game. Conquer. Enjoy the time with her. Another thing a beta does is pussying out on a woman when he could have it large if he stuck around for a while. Even leaving things to hang in the air is better than “hit and run”. I was having 5-6 women on the go at the same while I decide which one I want.

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I know I’m two years late to this conversation, but I find it very interesting. Had a question. I can’t get past how women are attention whores and bring their petty insecurities. It seems so immature and a classy lady would not be like that. I know its about conquering and I’ve done my share when it comes to easy ducks. But, I do want a mature adult relationship some day with a women who has figured out her how to shed her childish insecurities. Is the game really about playing to their insecurities?

James Adams
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Can’t agree at all with you Bob.If women were decent,honorable and loyal like most men then you could help them and expect help in return.But women have no respect for a man who treats them well and betters them in any way.They take the money and run.We can thank partially the inate nature of women(Eve)and equally the destructive influence of the Jew to push women to make all the wrong choices.Basically the societal rules which made a long term relationship with a women possible and palatable have been destroyed by the (((latter))) influence.

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He is right. You aren’t wrong. Giving comfort and security can be made in beta fashion and alpha fashion, and they sound the same thing, while they are diverse things.

Stephanie Shepard
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I think you are right. It is no different than buying a neglected car and restoring it. If you invest in a woman to enrich her life you will find her more valuable. Women do this all the time with men.

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Double standard at play here. When women do it, it works for them. When men do it, it fails miserably and blows up in his face and his goals are not achieved.

Women can readily get all kinds of support from men on almost every level imaginable. The only thing women cannot easily get is lusty emotions and recurring attention from a high value exciting man.

Lots of men are helpful and caring, but have no edge to them. Sure you’ll hang out with them, but you’re not going to bone them, and you know it. They’re boring. Even if only temporary, you want the hot guy who treats you like number 5 in his sexual lineup. If this is true you can admit it. If you say it’s not, you’re either lying or you’re boring too.

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“The only thing women cannot easily get is lusty emotions and recurring attention from a high value exciting man.”

Women can get those, sure. But it is usually fleeting and inconsistent. Women do love attention, lust, and affection. They usually feel like the bait and switch has occurred when it stops. I am not sure what you mean by being exciting though.

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“While a man should strive to improve himself in every way, if he strived to improve the life of a beautiful woman too…”

Do this in your personal life and you will get nothing but resentment and disappointment in return. Well, not exactly… you might get a little cuckoldry.

http://therationalmale.com/2012/05/21/relational-equity/

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Bob I like you sir .You re damn clever and astute .Plus I guarantee you are spot on.Only insecure pathetic weak guys need to make a woman feel less than so he can feel more than and no successful fulfilling relationship is based on inequality.A strong successful man doesn’t need to feel overbearing and above his mate .

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Either ‘high quality’ women do not exist and the standard set by different types of men are different

OR

(1) she doesn’t drink
(2) she doesn’t smoke nor do drugs
(3) she has a relatively higher set point for being tempted to leave/cheat

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Roosh man I honestly think your perceptions of beauty are far too altered by your American upbringing- Ive seen plenty of black and Arabic women who destroy most average white girls. So, because you are Middle Eastern you are only a 5 or 6? Nah man! I’m Latin and I don’t limit myself like that- most regular Turkish or Spanish look way better than a plain Jane white American IMO. The whites look best is media brainwashing.

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How can you say his perceptions of beauty are too much influenced by an American background? As he has traveled so much and been involved with women from multiple backgrounds/ethnicities/etc, his frame of reference no longer is that of strictly an American point of view.

I can say the same (to a far lesser degree) after having spent time overseas and having known latinas. A man’s frame of reference changes.

But you are definitely, by far, so right about the Southern US. I live in the south, and it is rare that I find an attractive woman anywhere with the exception of midtown/downtown Atlanta, or younger women near college age.

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Ive seen plenty of black and Arabic women who destroy most average white girls.

Of course, if you take the best black or arabic women, they will be more attractive than the average white girl, but that’s just how averages work.

because you are Middle Eastern you are only a 5 or 6? Nah man! I’m Latin and I don’t limit myself like that- most regular Turkish or Spanish look way better than a plain Jane white American IMO.

He doesn’t limit himself either, you can’t decide your value, women’s choice in men do. If by latin you mean spanish or italian, yes, women tend to like them. Turkish men have less success however. It may not be fair but it’s called the “mating market” for a reason, it depends on supply and demand.

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Every man wants what he wants. Beauty is rare. We live in an ugly world, full of ugly things and ugly mediocre people. Having a beautiful woman is a huge boost in life. Appreciating and admiring beauty is a central theme of classical Western Civilization. It makes life worth living. Without it, everything is common shit. You can get that just about everywhere.

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Well, it depends on what constitutes an 8 in your book. It is just looks then she may be weak in intelligence, character, or personality. Our value is the sum total of everything we are regardless of whether someone chooses to factor them in or not. For example, you may not factor in a girl’s personality or intelligence but other men will. The bottom line is if you want an 8 to be subservient to you then you will have to be a 9 or 10 in her eyes. And yes, getting sex, is not enough to for them to want to establish a relationship with you. In fact it may be detrimental to one if it comes too early.

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No, a woman has a cast, and that cast is dependent on her looks alone. That determines what man she can realistically hope for. There will always be exceptions of course. And its the same for men, it’s just not based purely on looks.

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So it all comes down to one rule really..be of more value than her. And that would always be location dependent. Of course you can be truly location independent if you are a good looking famous 25 year old billionaire.

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I think about moving to Central or South America permanently as feminism is not as evolved there as in other places. Sure, it exists, but it seems like the rest of the world is f*cked.

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Maybe what you say is true. But what if the next generation of women is better than the current one? What if the next generation of young women see how bad the previous one was, then make adjustments to better themselves? You never know. Maybe you can date the next generation. Hope springs eternal.

However, I wouldn’t hold my breath on my theory. Tacky, poorly placed, useless tattoos are still the standard issue fashion accessory for the 18 yr old female herd members in this dopey culture we call the US.

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Quote: “But what if the next generation of women is better than the current one? What if the next generation of young women see how bad the previous one was, then make adjustments to better themselves? You never know. Maybe you can date the next generation. Hope springs eternal.”

Thats not going to happen in this life. The USA is a shithole ands becoming shittier, and its women will get ugleir and uglier to the point where they won’t even look human.

In order to see the return of the slender, sweet all american gal the States is going to have to pass through this high tech medieval period, and competely crap out and die. Then from then you could see things get better. I’m guessing this will take three generations.

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Pay a 10, game a 7.

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Well said.

Pay the hot 10 whore and game a decent looking 7.

Getting hot whores should be in every man’s game plan.

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1. Find a beautiful girl who, for some reason, is insecure or unaware of her value (she almost always is under 25).

So basically go to either the middle east or maybe somewhere in Russia that doesn’t have smartphones or instagram

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Or move to the Southwest and scope the mexicanas from the border towns…

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Quote: “Or move to the Southwest and scope the mexicanas from the border towns…”

And tell all the super hotties in mexico that you are an American laison to a narco from her home country. She’ll definitely dig you.

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I lived in siberia for one month and it seemed like every girl had a smartphone and instagram.

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first world connectivity is killing shyness/low self esteem in women

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Quote: “I lived in siberia for one month and it seemed like every girl had a smartphone and instagram.”#

So then how are the attitudes of the women there?

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Middle Eastern women are getting rapidly westernized i.e. fucked up princess attitudes and extreme demands. Many women have adopted feminist viewpoints (problably without being fully aware of it) although they’ll refuse to call themselves the f-word.

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And those of us who are actively rejecting Westernization and feminism retain our religious teachings that say unless you meet very certain criteria and can pay the mahr, you are literally getting nowhere with us. We won’t even talk to you but instead let our menfolk take you out like a stinking bag of garbage.

This is the thing most of you are overlooking. It is Islam when practiced properly that keeps the ego of women under control. When a woman’s beauty is restricted to the private sphere, and men and women are raised from birth on how to properly contribute to a family without competing with each other, a man can easily keep and maintain up to four tens, hopefully spacing them out over the years so that there’s always a significantly younger wife who hasn’t been hit by pregnancy etc so hard.

Sincerely,
A former 8 in niqab who is loyal to her husband and respects his right to three other wives.

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Problem with polygamy is that it necessarily crates a shortage of marriageable women for most men. Hence, the widespread practice of male homosexualism in the Arab Muslim culture, far more so than even now in the West. It is no accident the Quaran spends alot of words denouncing this particular vice. For a contemporary example watch the documentary “The Dancing Boys of Afghanistan” by journalist Najibullah Quraishifor.

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There is no excuse for male homosexualism other than being abducted by aliens. The problem here really is that guys are the opposite of loyal to other guys, and it only takes one asshole to sink a ship or destroy a marriage. Especially if he is armed with a smartphone and a one way ticket to the USA for your wife/girlfriend to use. Then you’re fucked and left to deal with white trash barbarians who “conquered” your supply and intend to continue doing so for their own entertainment.
If everyone made sure there was 10 girls born for every 1 guy born, it would be a much better world today. But no group, be it government, nation, or small tribe, is going to practice that. They just want war war war and more war. If it’s not their problem, its not a problem. And if they are good at taking what they want, then that just reinforces in their mind that they deserve it because they are the winners, the chosen ones, etc. America was founded on hedonism, and like a cancer, it has gone on much to long without any treatment or cure.

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Finally, a unicorn!

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Same for the Middle East. Many people (especially the young) are very much up to date. In many cases more so than a lot of places in the US.

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This is why the old saying about women is true: “The hotter the woman, the worse you treat her”.

I think you might be short selling yourself Roosh.

You’re an accomplished author who makes his LIVING from his books. How many writers can say that?

You’ve traveled the world, speak multiple languages, are well above average height (6’2-3″?), are location independent, own your own successful business, have a fan base of thousands and thousands and have even created another successful men’s site out of nothing: ROK.

I think what it comes down to, is that your own ego could be larger.

Bear with me…

While you’re very accomplished as a man, perhaps you don’t allow your ego to flaunt itself more to women.

As a man thinks, so is he.

If you think some women are above you and that deep down you’re not good enough for them, then your vibe will communicate that.

If you believe that you’re the shit and that every woman would be lucky as fuck to get the chance to be with you, then this will be communicated.

While you’re more experienced than me in travel overseas (I have none yet), perhaps allowing yourself to be more egotistical to a certain degree will open up doors with top tier women that you initially thought were closed.

You know what you’re doing, but just my 2 cents that may help you out.

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Roosh
You inspire many men
You remain humble and appear to be intellectual and introverted (im guessing this is a but if a struggle for you- I’m an introvert too so I get it).

I say you need to do deep immersion visualization (Ross Jeffries has written in depth about this- Nlp trick- get super relaxed verbally affirm how awesome you are and do mental imagery about your greatness and what you want to manifest- I’ve envisioned certain types of women and seen something 95% close to that the next day). This may sound different but it has worked.

To take all the risks you have and put yourself out there is admirable. When I first saw your ad on amazon- I said this dude is blunt matter of fact and direct as well as cheap- sold! Besides how many people share their insecurities publicly like that? Definitely not the weak. People can laugh but I’m in this thing for an unreal level of intensity of connection and understanding with women that goes beyond what’s measureable in the outside World. I want to become a force that moves those I choose to invest in beyond what they could know or feel anywhere else.

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Humility keeps you grounded and alert/sharp. Pride comes before the fall.

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Quote: “While you’re very accomplished as a man, perhaps you don’t allow your ego to flaunt itself more to women.”

It’s not about flaunting acomplishments as it is being the “clown” for the female in order to bang her. Roosh write something about this not too long ago.

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You are what you think, sounds very spiritual.
Maybe you should start thinking you no longer need to eat food, and report back after a week how it worked out for you.
It’s good advice, and it does work on female psychology on some level, but its hard to do without seeming cocky and the laws of physics are still if not always in play, and it spares no one.
As long as girls remain shallow and are treated as the gatekeepers of desired sex, they will keep playing self worth games and attempting to boost their own level or “power” – or ability to control and manipulate man with their vaginas.
But if Roosh commanded an army of website followers, who did his bidding ruthlessly and without hesitation, if he was charted around on a throne day and night held up by 100 believers, you bet many 10s would throw themselves at him and eagerly show him how his presence alone taught them how to squirt. Girls cave to power like guys cave to beauty, and the talk from girls is always cheap. Its free in this age.
So how about it Roosh, I’ll volunteer for your army.

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“It’s important to note that my increase in qualitative results with
women have been so gradual I can’t perceive it in real time. Every
couple of years it gets just a tiny bit better, a change so slow that
only when I look at girls I banged several years ago do I realize the
jump I’ve made. The sad thing is that with such a slow change, you
really don’t feel like you’re getting better, so the struggle of
yesterday always remains with you today.”

This is how I am seeing my change, or self improvement, as well. I feel the same way, and you have articulated it very well. Thanks Roosh. -d

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“The more I date down, the easier it is to manage the girl in a
relationship. She will essentially do whatever I want and treat me like a
king, but when I’m out with her on my arm and see many girls more
beautiful than her, I feel like a failure.”

If she does everything you want why not just get her to increase her SMV? Feminine beauty is highly controllable for women. There are essentially 3 things a woman can control to increase their beauty a few points. Lose weight, wear feminine clothes, and maintain their hair. Very simple really.

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This is good advice, but only slobs going from a low starting point can increase their beauty by a notable amount.

Many, if not most, non-Western women in the dating market are already doing the 3 things you suggest and have already gotten somewhat close to their optimum (there’s always some room for improvement, but nothing spectacular).

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Stupid advice. You can’t make a small nerd into a big jock.
You can’t make a face and body beautiful with diet or makeup. It can help. But a ugly dog is still an ugly dog even if it loses 40 pounds and stops eating ho-hos. It will look better, but it is still ugly.

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These game/PUA websites certainly paint a grim picture of the dating world. I don’t necessarily disagree how you describe the modern woman, but it’s not as bad as you make it out to be.

I was with the same woman for 14 years before she passed away. With my entire social circle comprised of other married couples, I ventured into online dating at age 40.

I am a fit, good looking and financially secure guy. However, I have a more quiet and reserved nature and not a natural alpha at all. I’ve tried to use game on those women I am interested in, but can’t keep up the facade for very long.

So I do my own version of the shit test: I just be my nice guy beta self who treats a woman nicely and let the chips fall where they may. If she starts to flake out and does the LJBF thing, I simply drop her and stay stone cold radio silent. The vast majority of the time, these girls try to get a hold of me months later and I love to hear the pain in their voice when I politely inform them that I am dating somebody else.

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(Continued)

I am dating my current Oneitis for 3 months now. I’ve seen no indication whatsoever that she is bored with my being myself and acting like a nice guy. She constantly expresses gratitude at how well I treat her. She goes to Church and is family oriented.

But if she starts to flake out and says she needs space to herself, I’m not going to wait around like an orbiting satellite hoping she comes back my way. The best way to get over a Oneitis who breaks up with you is to go and bang another girl.

I had his one casual girlfriend (a friends with benefits situation) who is 25 who constantly texts me and asking to hook up. I think she became really enamoured with me when she came over to my house in the suburbs seeing that my casual mentions of my modest wealth have some validity to them. The more I ignore her, the more she is aggressive towards me. But I keep telling her I’m on love with somebody else.

I tried dating women my own age (early 40s) but I find myself not nearly as attracted with them as I am with those who are younger than me. I want to have children, and that definitely plays a factor.

The modern dating world is certainly a shark’s den compared to when I was single 15-20 years ago. But back then I had no property or even a car. But I get laid a lot more because let’s face it, I am a man of means. Nothing is sexier to a woman than a man who is financially secure.

My advice to sexually frustrated young men today: strive to become financially independent. Do those things that actually build wealth. Easiest way: buy your home instead of renting. Even if the home is in an area with crime problems, gentrification will increase the value while the crime problem goes away.

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PPS: I refuse to have anything to do with single mothers. I don’t want to have to compete for a girlfriend’s time or put anything towards raising another man’s child.

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This is good advice, but remember the female always lies so she can take. If you have a house, or some means of money, you better hope the bitch switch doesn’t flip because if she really wants it, its hers if she spreads her legs without the pill. Controlling beautiful women is more important than ever as 75% of them have psychological issues and are rather unfit for marriage.

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check out “married man sex game” and ‘dave from hawaii’ relationship advice.

If you wouldn’t be okay with your girl gaining 30 pounds and letting her looks go, you shouldn’t be okay with becoming a whiny dweeb.

Keep your game tight in the relationship.

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The hotter they are, the more of a pain in the ass they will always be. And when it comes to long term, demeanor trumps hotness (within reason). You don’t want someone who makes your life more stressful, or who you have to worry about straying. You want a girl who is thankful to be with you. Arm candy is nice too but not as nice as a dedicated chick.

There is also some delayed gratification element. If you marry a 6 at age 30, by 50 she is going to have chubbed up a bit, while the 8 would have stayed thin and attractive. But would it have been worth 20 years of stress? Maybe. And who knows if the 8 wouldn’t have left before then?

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I have the same problem. Seeing a lovely 17yr old who gives amazing blowjobs, answers calls/messages promptly and is generally delightful, but I should be pursuing higher quality. Problem is that if WE act in the same way with women we cannot date up like them, instead they will think we are WEAK and won’t respect us for answering messages straight away etc.

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Having cake and eating it to is because some cakes (such as wedding cakes) are meant for display purposes. The rub is wanting to have a beautiful cake to showoff, and also wanting to eat it.

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*too

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Roosh
Just had a spark of inspiration-
how to help young guys escape college and college debt as well as the feminist social gulag of the Anglosphere. Think of the boring lectures, snotty campus girls, corporate cubicle roots-esque plantation, and the 49ers (4s acting like 9s) out at night coupled with the sausage fests, 1984 surveillance, robo cop DUI road blocks, etc.

If a smart guy (higher iq than me-youre a scientist dude!) can help guide and save some young guys some torture and pain-why not? Like your kid brother (s) help them find a way to dig themselves out of the psychotic place known as DC.

That would be a cool future book-“Save the high school graduates-Uncle Rooshs guide out of college debt, corporate slavery, 49er chicks, and TeamMurica Bilderberg-Orwell living to cheap living, relaxed culture, and feminine girls”

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Hey,the perfect solution to this problem is known by 1% of men. Simply,you have to be richer than 99% of other guys in your location and use half a brain to be able to show it off. Hot girls worshipping you- guaranteed. Read interviews with michael adam,founder of fashion tv,one of the biggest alphas on the planet.
10 chicks have plenty of sexy boys to choose from. But they dont have that many richfucks.

And its not about decent earnings. Its sleeping in top hotels for at least 1/4 of the year
Think 500usd per night. Top clubs,top car rentals,high end clothing and jewellery.
Designer pad in class A location.Easily 2 grand in property tax alone. Or 70k yearly for rental.
We are talking 300k per year in net income and the best legs ans sexiest lips are all open.
Just do it.

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> Let’s say that my overall value in Eastern Europe is a 7.5

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Seriously Roosh, when are you going to do something useful with your life? So far your contribution to society is a net negative. You are a taker, and you teach others to be selfish takers. Go do something useful for once.

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?

Why should Roosh do something that *you* find “useful”?

He creates and sells information that other people find value in and pay money for.

In fact, Roosh makes enough money off his books that he doesn’t need a 9 to 5 office cubicle job. He travels when he wants, does what he wishes, and basically doesn’t give a fuck.

If you want to talk about “usefulness”, you’re the person who’s so useless that you spend your time criticizing a supposedly ‘useless’ person online.

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men must be takers in order to become great. they must work on bettering themselves each and every day for the betterment of all society: this plays into the laws of natural selection. the most valuable man wins, and women give him their love and/or the right to procreate/have sex with them.

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I found that too – the bitches that have been most pleasant to be with have the the slightly better than average ones. I don’t even have to smack them.

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Idk about this one Roosh.. Ones perception affects how he acts and feels around 10’s and 9’s. If you think she’s gonna leave you cause she’s hot, that makes you insecure in the relationship. It’s hard to do, but I pretend hot girls are 6’s and it helps the mental part. Also, some of the hot girls don’t even know they are hot

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What does a 7/10 and 8/10 female look like to you Roosh?

Some guys have crazy standards, some don’t. I can’t really see an average looking guy banging 7 and 8s consistently because of all the options they have and hot guys that hit on them. At the end of the day, there has to be some physical attraction

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Strange how I used to think roosh and you puas were right about game, but in my mere 20 years, all it took was realising that you just have to be yourself and be direct. It’s natural to want sex… Follow your instincts, the mere fact you rate girls tells me you all pedestalize them, I had a late start but it took the game and a good look in the mirror and now I literally don’t need to chase, have had 17 different girls in the last month or so, think it’s all about your social circle and ability to read aseen my barber hit on a girl in the most affluent part of London and he got a number, he wasn’t gaming, just genuinely interested in her and the Aryan beauty probz had her curiosity piqued. Read rooshs stuff but you’d be a fool to take it literally. Game is for ppl who lack confidence and comfort in their skin, or if you’re over 35 I guess but by then the money should be there.. My two pence

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In EE Rooshv is a 7.5 indeed. In Spain or Italy, a plain 5-6… sorry but somebody should have told you.

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Umm, I could be wrong, but won’t a 10 who treats a man well be put off immediately when they sense the ‘too experienced to not be a player’ vibes? Just saying… Women (especially well-bred ones) are perspective…

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check out coach corey wayne and david deidas work
also- women don’t care about looks, they care about confidence money ambition passion and muscles!!

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“Having your cake and eating it too” is not a silly idiom…at least in its original form its not. Its current form is the result of corruption by the unwashed masses who didn’t understand the expression when it first came out ~400 years or so ago. The expression was originally, “You can’t EAT YOUR CAKE AND HAVE IT TOO”. Notice the difference? The clauses are reversed. It is impossible to both EAT A CAKE, and then, upon eating it, still have it in your possession. But the reversal destroys this temporal chain since its perfectly reasonable to ‘have your cake and then eat it’.

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Did you miss that Jimmy Soul song from 1963? If you want to land a hot girl without getting dumped later for a hotter dude, you need to be super rich.

Screw your books – get into real estate. Just ask Trump – he always does the dumping, despite the fact that he’s a 0.0002 out of 10.

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Something about never making a pretty woman your wife?

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Hey Roosh, just dropped by to say how sorry I feel for you after reading your article above. It seems clear to me that you’re still just a bewildered kid in a candy-store who won’t go and buy his favourite flavour in case he sees something that *looks* like it might be better, or, he sees another kid with something that looks like it might be better than what he’s got. I’m sad to hear you talk about a decline in your ‘lay-rate’ as you turn 40 and ‘decline’. What a limited perspective! It seems like you complain about not being able to find a woman (to your standard) who wants a relationship but then all you aim for is the game-lay and then try to pick one of your lays for a mini-relationship. Are you really surprised you’re not getting anywhere? At age 36 with your looks and the fact that you’re not a financial liability, if you’re not with someone, then I’d guess it’s not because you need to work on your game and it’s definitely not because there isn’t a nice enough, beautiful enough woman out there for you. You’re not my type and I’m pretty sure I’m not yours so take this as a friendly comment as I’d agree with you on your 7.5 and this is not an attack: Now, I’m a female, solid 5, by my own estimation (men say higher but they aren’t just going off looks and they say whatever they want if it serves purpose, we both know that). I’ve dated 2’s on the looks scale and I’ve dated 8.5’s on the looks scale and there was no correlation between their score and the way they treated me. Some were awesome, some were assholes at both scores. Whatever, it usually starts when there is some total inexplicable physical chemistry and ends when we realise there isn’t enough *interpersonal* chemistry, meaning we just don’t really excite or get on with each other as people enough to maintain things long term. So I generally find that banging people isn’t the way to start as it’s not what determines the overall outcome anyway. Haven’t you ever met someone, and, before you get your score card out, just been into them right away? Of all the happy couples I’ve seen, it’s always been this way. Looks were a bonus but the end game was always *the love*. Most would argue if you really are looking for a relationship long term, you have to put away your score card and *feel* your way. Right now, you seem to be in some damaging competition with yourself. For the record, I’m pretty sure you’d jump right up to a 9.5 if you’d just chill the heck out and crack a decent smile once in a while. Matt Damon is like a 6 at best, until he cracks that smile, then it’s game over for any female in a 20 mile radius, film star or not. He’s not even ripped, no need. Take a leaf out of his book and just let your essence shine through. If you don’t like what your essence gets you, then that’s a whole other ballgame that has nothing to do with ‘game’ or your scorecards and is more an indication that you might not be at peace with yourself. You only have one life Roosh, the money is just money at the end of the day. I’m sure you have plenty of it and it isn’t going away. It creates options but will never get you what you want if you don’t make the right choices. I hope it’s not a life that leaves you without real, dedicated fulfilling love by the end of it, because in a kinda misguided way(my opinion), I think you’ve looked and strived harder for it than anyone else I’m aware of. Just remember, when you finally meet that 10 that you want to be with forever, she’s not gonna want to be around someone who is bitter and who doesn’t love women, in general, exactly the way they are. And she’s definitely not gonna want to be on your scorecard! So, good luck to you!

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Hmmm, seems my comment disappeared!

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Hello- woman here. So, I’ve been reading some of the comments of men feeling desperate and unable to find a quality woman. So, I wanted to tell you guys a little story about me and my boyfriend. A little about me- now this will probably sound like a brag, but bear with me, it’s important to the story- First of all, I’m a model. I have been told that I wherever I go, I will be the prettiest girl in the room. I score in the 99th percentile on the Wechsler intelligence scale. I work with children, and everyone says I will be an amazing mother one day. I am creative- I have illustration contracts with national institutions, and shoot lookbooks for fashion labels. And I’m fucking great at sex. Oh, and I live in Toronto, supposedly land of the hardest to please women. So, by Roosh’s rules, who would you assume my boyfriend is? He would probably say that the only guy who could land me would be rich, incredibly ripped, and a great PUA. Well…no..not at all. My boyfriend is not rich. He is actually pretty skinny. I suppose your word for him would be “beta male”. He’s not the owner of a nightclub or something like that, he’s a physicist. So is he insanely good at the art approaching and picking up girls? No. Actually, it was me who pursued him! I’m sure you are curious- what is this guys secret to getting models to ask HIM out. His secret is that he’s a kind person. Unlike the teachings of Roosh, he sees me as a person, not an object to fuck. He completely denounces pick up culture. SO- my advice is- forget pick up culture. Forget making 100 approaches a day. Focus on becoming the best person you can be, and the women will come to you.

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Come back to us in five years when you’re pining for all the bad boys you fucked in order to attain sufficient experience to realise that you’re “fucking great at sex”, Miss Munchausen. Then we’ll see whether being “kind” gets you a woman and keeps her. The very fact you’re wasting your youth on a toy career only validates both this article and Roosh’s articles generally.

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Why would I be “pinning” for other men from my past? (who I would hardly call bad boys, just other people.) There is a reason I am not with them, I’m with my current, kind, loving boyfriend. The few other boyfriends I had, I dumped because while I may have been initially attracted to them, their personalities didn’t hold my interest, and I did not feel the same amount of love, kindness and mutual support as I do with my current partner. That’s the sort of thing that keeps me around, that’s what keeps me “loyal”.

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Not really sure what my career choice has got to do with it- I am (very successfully so far) working towards a career where I can be creative and do what I love and what makes me happy, while supporting myself. It may not be your cup of tea, and that’s just fine, it’s not the path for everyone and that’s just fine. But I’m young, I’ve got guts, I’m going to take a stab at doing something I really want to do. Even if I do fail, I’d rather that then look back and be cranky and old wondering what would have happened if I had tried– I don’t really see where your derision fits into it.

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This is actually quite hilarious and confirms all the theorems and maxims discussed throughout the ‘sphere. Thanks for making me laugh today.

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Cool story

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“the girls who have treated me the best had merely slightly above average beauty.” that’s well said . But cause you see her as average girl you treat her based on this fact . And then every things is easy why ?!! cause you convey to her this vibe consciously or unconsciously . so if you convey the same vibe to hot girls you will get the same result . We always say this don’t put the girl in pedestal . Lets make it clear if you put any girl even the ugliest girl in the world in pedestal you will fail for guarantee .

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The best bang I’ve ever had was a 6.5 at best.. what she lacked in looks she more than made up for in effort!

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hahahahahahah. This whole website is preposterous and ridiculous. You all sound like scared, sad, desperate little men wandering the globe for a ‘damaged’ women that can be used to ‘make your lives easier’. Women that are slightly less ‘difficult’ and who you can ‘show off’. I read this article out of curiosity to see what some men’s thoughts were. News flash: today’s woman is beautiful, smart and human. We have courage. We are seeking our equal. This website is childish.

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You sound like tons of fun.

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You sound like so much fun.

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“Let’s say that my overall value in Eastern Europe is a 7.5. If I date a
girl who is also a 7.5 in beauty, which is comparable to my value, I
will have to keep my game sharp at all times. She will test me regularly
and be generally challenging even in a normal relationship. If I date a
girl who is an 8.5, the relationship is hanging on a string.”

…so true, but every year I get older & the girl in her early 20’s gets older, my value goes up & hers goes down…

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“…so true, but every year I get older & the girl in her early 20’s gets older, my value goes up & hers goes down…”

Patently false. Your value also declines precipitously.

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I think you make some very valid points in your articles, but I notice you really seem to generalize all American women as being worthless sluts. I think it’s very unfair to categorize almost all of us women that way. I agree that our culture is definitely influencing more women to act and dress like skanks but there are some of us who are traditional in our thinking and want to be good traditional wives and mothers. How can you continue to bash women who have casual sex when you and lots of other men do sound like you’re doing the same thing? Isn’t it a double standard? I don’t agree with the promiscuity of our current culture at all. I think sex is a sacred gift to give to your marital partner. It’s awesome and wonderful and very soul binding. It’s a part if you that you give away to someone else every time it’s outside of marriage. I’m not trying to sound self righteous​ but as a woman who has made that mistake of sex before marriage, I can look back and say I so wish I would’ve saved myself for only my husband and he agrees with me and wishes that he would’ve saved himself for me. I think you have some great info on your website but sometimes it seems as if you think of all of us women in America as fat slutty people. I think more women need to go back to church, be a moral example, but still take care of their looks and be a stay at home mom and stay at home wife if possible. I’m a stay at home mom and even though financially it’s hard sometimes, I’m so happy I’m there for my family. All the best to you and finding a nic traditional wife.

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There really is no such thing as an Alpha male among humans, as there is among animals. With humans we have the Alpha zone.
Best analogy is to me is a skating rink you go to and everyone is skating holding the railings. You are the only one who is skating in the center without attachments. You are neo. You don’t play by their rules. You completely love yourself with no attachments. the more unattached one is the more alpha he has in him.

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So let me get this straight in the article he posted about feminism being the Bain of allexistense where he says that women feel proud to look ugly .He wants to shame every woman that’s a little overweight or has some flaws .Then in this article he’s saying to only date women that are barely above average because somehow beautiful women play mind games etc.So correct me if I’m wrong but once you shame the girls that in his teensy mind are proud to be ugly(?)And girls that are beautiful who is left to date ?Girls that are average and hate themselves for it?This guy needs thousands in therapy .Plus how much does someone want to get me that he hurts your eyes in the looks department?