The Age That Men Peak

A common belief in the manosphere—and one I’ve stated myself—is that a man’s value can peak up to his early 40’s, allowing him to get a far higher quality or quantity of women than in his early 20’s. This is due to the argument that women prefer a more mature man with resources and refined charisma than a bumbling young guy lacking in confidence. A closer examination of this theory, however, shows that many other variables are at play for determining a man’s real-life results, and that the common man may be better served securing long-term partners before waiting for his supposed “peak” to arrive, especially if he doesn’t practice game.

On the surface, it’s hard to argue against the idea that a man will get the best women at an age he’s likely to possess more qualities that women want. That sweet spot will likely be in his mid 30’s, where he has a high level of resources, game, and social status but still maintains a hopefully youthful aesthetic that doesn’t turn off the most beautiful women in their early 20’s or even late teens. The problem is that this has so many conditions and exceptions that it’s not at all useful for men who don’t actively practice game that is mainly based on cold approaching.

The “men peak in their mid 30’s” theory applies if:

  • A man regularly approaches at least 25 young women each month or is an extrovert with access to high-value social circles.
  • He lives in a city where 18-25 year old girls prefer mature man with resources (e.g. Southeast Asia, Colombia, Ukraine).
  • He was a late bloomer and possessed practically no game ability in high school or college.
  • He lies about his age to women in the 18-25 age range since many of them don’t want a man 15+ years older.

You will get the best women of your life in your 30’s if you started learning game in your early 20’s from scratch and continue to approach actively up to 40 years of age. This constitutes less than 1% of Western men, and it doesn’t even apply to me.

The most beautiful girl I ever had sex with was in Brazil back in 2008. I was a 29-year-old grungy backpacker staying in a hostel with an unkempt ponytail, but it was extremely helpful that I went out at least four times a week to approach women. My most prolific year was 2011, when I was 32 and in Poland, going out most nights of the week to approach women with beauty standards that are lower than what I prefer today.

I’ve since peaked. I’m getting pretty girls but not obviously hotter than the one in 2008 and nowhere near more quantity than in 2011. This is in spite of the fact that my resources and game is multiple times higher. The reason for this is simple: I’m no longer approaching a lot of girls. It turns out that access to women, regardless of your existing value, is the main determinant of the results you’ll end up getting. I was meeting ten times more women each week a few years ago than now, and even if I had less game skill, resources, or even a private bed back then, I still got both higher quality and quantity.

I know what you are thinking: “But if you approach the same number of girls today as you did in 2008, you’d get hotter.” That could be true, but there are two major constraints:

1. Most young girls don’t prefer men in their mid 30’s and beyond. Maybe in the historical past a young girl wanted a far older man, but such a girl today prefers one that is not too far from her in age. I’ve had to change many of my game routines to prevent my age from coming out before strong attraction is established.

2. You will not be able to maintain a consistently high level of game effort. I physically and mentally can’t approach a high number of girls anymore. My energy is lower and my tolerance for the modern woman is also lower even though I’m still rather horny. I used to do ten or more approaches a night out, but now I can barely do three, and that’s if I manage to go out at all. I’m unable to put in the 2-4 hours daily of work that would really maximize my current value, which suggests that the most amount of game work you’re willing to do likely peaks with your energy, horniness, and female tolerance, not your value or game skill. Most guys I know maximize their game effort in their mid to late 20’s and start dropping off in their 30’s.

A man’s paper value will be highest after 30, but this doesn’t exist in isolation from the effort he’s able to apply, the access to young girls he’s able to meet, and the fact that those young girls don’t usually prefer men over 35 as their first choice. Ironically, I find that a man’s paper value actually goes up when he stops focusing on getting laid, because women are inhibitors to a man’s ambition and serve as a massive opportunity cost in realizing his true potential, but then his game results will sharply decrease, suggesting an inverse correlation between personal value and sex results.

There are two different tracks a man usually follows. If he’s a natural, and knew of game at a young age from an older male role model, his peak will be in college (early 20’s), where he has the right game to sleep with the highest number of girls in their prime. The second track is for the man who had to manually learn game in college or after. His peak in terms of quality and quantity will likely come about five years after he started studying game, when he has the most efficient combination of raw game knowledge and horny energy. For this second group of men, their peak will be in their late 20’s or early 30’s. If you’re using game to get laid, your peak will directly coincide with the number of approaches you’re doing each week starting with the time your game is at a moderate level, not how much status you have or your theoretical knowledge of game.

There are ways that you can prolong or extend your game peak, such as moving to countries where age gaps don’t bother women, injecting yourself with testosterone so you remain motivated to approach high numbers of women, lying to women about your age, and constructing Excel spreadsheets full of sex goals that motivate you when biology no longer does, but these are external inducements that only show how flawed the “men peak in their mid 30’s” narrative is. Unless a man is paying for sex outright through prostitution or Russian-style “sponsorship,” his ability to get 18-25 year olds will begin dropping gradually after 35, while his ability to get promiscuous mature women who had their spins on the carousel will skyrocket.

The true peak for modern men is therefore dependent on having solid game ability and access to girls during the time he’s most girl-crazy. For most guys this will happen before 30, and almost never for men beyond 35. I just turned 36 and I’m so far from my peak that I am having trouble approaching even 10% of the girls I was doing just four years ago. It’s getting easier for me to attract women between 25-30, but it is not easier for me to get girls in the 20-25 range than a couple years ago (it’s about the same). In terms of the most desirable women of society, it will very soon become harder for me every year to attract the women I want.

We now live in a time where girls in their prime don’t care about a man’s resources. That trend is spreading to more traditional parts of the world, which means women will start to place more value in exciting metrosexual clowns than mature men with ample means. I still have to work just as hard as before to get them because the things we see as having value are not seen as valuable to young women. We’re becoming established and wise while they increasingly prefer shiny, dancing cocks that make them feel drama, tension, and fun.

I’m satisfied at what I’m getting now based on the little amount of work I’m putting in, but in terms of peak, that has passed for me, and attracting 21-year-olds will not get easier with each new year, no matter how much I grow as a man.

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A Street in Texas
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In short: context is everything.

seth datta
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Yes, if by that you include changing your environment as the easiest and best way to get better results.

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True, it’s possible that the environment is at fault. That’s my last ditch effort though…

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Hijacking your comment, I owe you one. But this needs to be said. In rock music, guitar skill and solos started to fade from the songs, for at least a decade. I just kept practicing like solos and riffs never went out of style. Well, they’ve made a comeback of sorts in modern heavier pop rock. Virtually the same riffs. So now I’m a master in the eyes of young guitarists who learned during peak and post grunge era. I instruct on the side and these young guys eat it up. They see that it’s difficult, but not out of reach. Conversely, even though I’m in my 40’s, in my day job,I routinely set my sights on new, young chics. Usually both sides of 20. Years of customer service jobs in my youth, dealing with groupies, and throwing house parties back then, has helped me maintain a certain immaturity that makes it a bit easier to deal with these chics. Of course, I get tired of dealing with their love-struck ways, or infatuation with me, but it’s nice to know that I can act on it if I have the patience. Just maintain the aloof attitude and stay playful and there’s no reason you can’t parlay that into a score with these chics. The smart ones realize that club life sucks, and sex and fun with me is great, no-pressure relaxation. I’m no Charlie Sheen in the looks or fame departments, but I’m real. There are plenty of young chics who really don’t want to ride the cock carousel. Many have only ever had sex with one guy. Keep in mind how many young males can’t figure out the game. If you doubt me, just look at the love life of the 1960’s cutie Tuesday Weld. She was 16 when she nearly married an actor who was 30+ years older than her whose name escapes me. Other examples, though not as extreme, would be the chics of Charlie Sheen. Cheers and good luck

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Especially the accessibility part. I’m a mechanical engineer and I never had accessibility to many females, let alone attractive ones. Not in college, not in my post-college 20s, not in my 30s. Never. Working in a 99% male field in factories located in boring exurbs will do you that way. Every date/girlfriend I’ve had, I had to proactively go out of my way and put in 10x the effort other men or women had to put in. There oughta be a National Liberation Worker’s Party for engineers who just wanna get out of the suburbs, go somewhere cool, get a hot girlfriend, and be left alone. We’re seriously oppressed, and the dirt bag capitalists, blue pill conservatives, and liberal academics have worked together to write the laws and social constructs that have created this hostile enivornment that is completely unconducive to me finding desirable women of my taste.

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The author sounds like a very lonely man.

adam smith
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Just focus on your health, career, ambition and goals, forget about marriage and women, minimize your interactions with them as possible as you can, you will gain a lot in short and long term.
there is no sympathy for men in divorce courts.
spend time with your male friends, build great things with them, minimize your interaction with the state and avoid taxes as much as possible, those taxes goes to gold digging men hating single mothers (500 billions per year)

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“there is no sympathy for men in divorce courts.”

In any court.

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This is a retarded long-term strategy. The current state of affairs is a direct result of high-value individuals (1) not producing offspring, (2) not involving themselves with the state, and (3) r-selected tools relentlessly pursuing (1) and (2).

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My suggestion to adam smith would be to go to a surrogacy clinic and have himself 2 to 3 kids and hire a nanny. MGTOW/family

adam smith
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I am 100% with surrogacy and i’m planning seriously to do so while having casual affairs, but i’m sure feminists will try to ban it, like they did with prostitution.

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They’d never ban that, it’s the ruining of the family and separation of gender that they always wanted

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Its a long term *individual* strategy. Rather than falling on his sword so the present system can continue (and paying for it with child support until he is 80) he is backing away. We don’t owe the current system anything and the price is too high. Want to get laid? Head to Thailand where you can have 18-19 year olds galore for $20 a throw or less no game needed. Want to spend the rest of your life paying a harpy through the state for one night of drunken shitty sex? Stay here and work within the system thinking you’ll improve things.

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I repeat: it’s a retarded long-term strategy. His advice, for an individual, will only work for an expat with an international/location independent skill set. Anyone else will be stuck holding the last bag of gold when the barbarians finally run out of state resources. Brilliant strategy.

As for the system… for centuries your adversaries hadn’t a grain of sand to defend insofar as the system. Then, as soon as a weakness opened up, two generations of idealogical foot soldiers with child-like intelligence transformed the landscape from the ground up.

But you’d have us all run from functional children, because they’re big, bad, and scary. Because there’s risk. Because the playing field isn’t fair. Right.

Fact of the matter is that the morons who ushered in this system can’t hold it. They’re too stupid to know how. Surrendering to such an inept adversary is the ultimate bitch move. It’s running home with your ball because the refs are mean.

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I happen to be an expat. It isn’t something that I made a long term plan of, but here I am. Dollars to donuts I will end up with a Chinese girl 15 to 25 years younger than me (I am 48). I will probably return to Canada several years from now, kid and wife in tow, and it would not be out of the question to get back into politics and run for office.
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There are a lot of things I love about Canada but the system is rather fucked in many ways and I am really thinking about how much energy it would take me to try and unfuck it, or to sidestep the fuckedupedness while trying to raise a family.

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You’ve got my vote

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Agreed. It’s also retarded if you’ve ever done any type of psychology/sociology. humans are one of few species that have enduring pair bonds, and wanting companionship is in our nature as beings who have consciousness. Men also feel an inherit need to rule over and protect something, it gives them value, just as it gives me value as a woman to nurture and care for something. Now these days, business might suffice in that fact for some but not for all and a family would be the more likely instinctual choice for a man to have all his needs taking care of without having to take several unconventional routes to get to the same place. It seems this man is the product of a bad mother or several bad experiences with women. I know how awful women can be but men often “do it to themselves”. I see that high value is placed on physical attractiveness with men, while securing good genetics physically for your future children, has also set the stage for the personality types many men so despise. Very attractive women are used to getting catered to simply based off of how they look. If you want an emotionally mature partner and an attractive one, you’ll have to go out of your way to find someone who sees attractiveness for what it is: fleeting. Then they’ll have focused on other parts of themselves as well to ensure that they won’t be “out back” when they hit their decline.

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” forget about women, minimize your interactions with them as possible as you can..”

I’ve heard similar things said like this many times,  but dude, be realistic, men need to dump their loads; it’s part of a healthy life.

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I agree, day-bang help in doing that without getting wallet and time whipped, just avoid marriage, or even union in some stats like California, she can get half of your shit just by living some time with you.

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An excellent post. As far as age, by itself, most men peak in late twenties. The older you grow, the more you need compensatory traits to make up for the age gap. There is plenty of wishful thinking in the manosphere about male peak, but its obvious that it gets harder to bang prime age women every year you age past 30.

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I don’t believe its harder to bang prime age women past 30; its just that you have less contact with them, and perhaps may find them a little boring in terms of conversation.

If you keep telling yourself something, there is the risk of it coming true! I once saw a ‘7’ who was 21 go out on a date to the theatre with her professor who was 60ish!

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Exceptions always exist. And in your specific example you actually have a man with both access and authority (and presumably some other qualities since probably not every single 60+ year old professor is banging young students).
And I think many of the other notable exceptions you hear about or know are likely to be the extroverts with high value social circles that Roosh mentioned. Not something everyone can realistically achieve or even wants (at this point in my life I’d take daily cold approaches – if I really had to – over the effort and energy required to build up and maintain a large and useful social circle. Since my profession doesn’t give me any kind of semi-automatic access to such a circle).

I’m 38, as far as quantity goes my sex life peaked in the period between my early and late 20s (I’m on average, but not always, doing a little better on quality these days), despite having no conscious knowledge of game back then and certainly not being “a natural” either. It was all down to access, energy (applied to socializing in general, even back then I was an introvert but still had what I would now consider a fairly abundant social life) and a willingness to get drunk at least every weekend.

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Rack up enough exceptions and all of a sudden you have to re-think the rule.
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I’ve pointed out elsewhere that it sort of depends on what your definition of “peak” is. If it means the point in your life where your potential to have sex with lots of 18 to 22 year old girls is at a maximum, then you “peak” in university and maybe for a few years thereafter if you deploy lots of night game.
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Personally, I have no game. I’ve been more into serial monogamy where instead of fucking a new slut every couple of weeks I found a hottie and banged the shit out of her as often as possible for several months.

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its true you need a positive mindset but you’ll risk going rationalization hamster if you take it too far. for example, prime women are definitely not more boring in conversation, they are much more exciting and fun.

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Access is something you create. The best way to do that is get into a semi-professional hobby related to the arts: film, TV or music are probably the best.
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I decided to go to law school at age 30. Then I took “out of faculty credits” in film and video production. Who were my classmates? a bunch of 18 year old film majors! The final project was to make your own video short. My next door neighbours were a couple of girls studying drama. I recruited other actors and actresses on campus, online and by other means. I was actually in a temporary MGTOW mode so I was not doing this to score pussy. However, the fact is I was surrounded by a bunch of hot chicks.
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Similarly, when I had my own business my partner and I would shut the office down every now an then when our casting agent gave us a call about being background performers on some local movie or TV show. Being an extra usually involves a lot of sitting around and chatting with the other extras, many of whom are young and beautiful women.
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If you aren’t at university and don’t have the flexibility of running your own business, there are networking organizations where you can make contacts or volunteer your time to help out aspiring film makers. They tend to be fairly young and the set will always have hot young women running about, either as cast members or crew.
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So maybe you are not in in LA, TO, NYC, YVR or some place similar. The film/TV thing might not be viable, but every city has a music scene and you can get involved in it. There are both performers and groupies who are young and hot.

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I take community college classes in part because I love learning, but also because the ratios are way better than online and everywhere else. One must watch for jailbait.

66Scorpio
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The glory of Canada: virtually no 15 year olds attend college, community or otherwise.

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Not true

Jack
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a strong counterargument

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As women age and their attraction wanes they begin focusing on other attributes. Men are lucky if we take decent care of ourselves we generally age better then women. For ever 5 men I see that aged well maybe 1 woman I can say the same.

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It’s fairly obvious that men peak about 27 in many dimensions. You see it in most of the sports stats (baseball players older than 26 are in a slow decline) and in the careers of mathematicians and so-forth. It’s very visually apparent, too. Look at say, Christian Bale or Henry Cavil. They very clearly started going downhill in looks past late 20s. Roosh himself is clearly sliding towards middle age and he’s delusional if he can’t see that in the mirror.

These guys going on about men peaking much later are practicing self deception same as the cat ladies. Women peak about 22. Men peak about 27. The exceptions are statistical noise.

You compete for a mate in your 20s and then start a family and focus on career and other things. This is the natural way. Stop pretending that 40 year old men chasing pussy isn’t weird. Everybody knows at a gut level that it is.

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Yet some men like Clint Eastword and Sean Connery look better as they aged.

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No they didn’t. Are you blind? They both were gorgeous when young and went downhill.

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I agree about Eastwood, but Connery didn’t fade too badly, especially when one considers he lost his hair. In 1989 he was crowned “Sexiest Man Alive” by People Magazine. Of course that was when masculine looking men were still in fashion.

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People need to stop using celebrities as examples of everything. Most of us are not celebrities and we don’t have that kind of money or status or the pre-selective traits that would allow us to get that far in the first place. This celebrity obsession is insane. Celebrities are not normal people. I would also disagree with you that these men look better as they aged. According to women of their own age group maybe, but to much younger women, probably not. That is one advantage men have over women. Women as they age, actually prefer men in their own age group. Men however still usually fantasize about women much younger than they are even though most are content to be with women in their own age group and that’s usually because these are the only women really interested.

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Celebrities are useful as examples because their familiarity But I agree with you that the USA’s culture of celebrity worship is pathetic as many people here have a weak sense of self…

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Yeah, tennis is one of the most competitive and physically demanding sports and now that Federer is 34 he’s terrible…only 2nd in the world.

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Chick level reasoning. “What about Demi Moore?!”

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Trying to claim men in their late 30s early 40s dating chicks in their early 20s is wrong on a gut level is bitter fat chick logic. Guys who are incredibly fit lose minimal attractiveness from late 20s to early 30s but can in theory gain a lot of extra experience. It’s obviously going to be different for every guy, but a guy killing it way harder than ever in his early 30s isn’t that uncommon.

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Totally disagree. I’ve seen many men both get into game, and utterly devastate these statistics for most of their thirties. Hell, the book the game chronicled a household where a majority of men were over 30. Sure physical peak may be around the age of 27, but that doesn’t automatically mean someones social lives begin to deteriorate at that age too. There’s both historical and zoological evidence to support the theory that actually OLDER males have a wider selection of mates and higher social ranking. For example, silver back gorillas — silver meaning grey — are the dominant males in a pack and have access to the widest variety of females. Historically, MANY men got with women of a younger age. In fact, it was the norm. If anything, dating someone over ten years older than you may be going against the social grain, but that doesnt mean there still isnt a biological urge for it to happen. I think Roosh’s logic is more in line more with the reality — we don’t wanna keep running around chasing women much younger than us forever. Sure, we may find them attractive, but that doesnt mean other factors don’t come into play like motivation, lack of sex drive, wanting to settle down etc.

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shemar moore, hugh jackman, vin diesel, Jason statham, brad pitt etc etc. Victor Matfield is starting for south Africa in the current Rugby world cup at age 38
All of em looked just fine past 27…..your physical peak for playing sports is irrelevant, most of us are not up to those physical standards irrespective of age. Besides, you lose speed and recovery ability long before size and strength, so you can still look like an athlete 20 years after your peak age for being one, and injuries are the cause of many retirements rather than age.
By your logic you are already past it at age 21 if you’re not getting drafted into the NFL lol. Most guys, hopefully have something else to offer.
Your prime earning years as an employee are between 40-60, as an entrepreneur or business owner, 55-65. There is still much to look forward to. Most unattractive old guys, were also unattractive young guys, it’s not something they lost as they got older….most guys are just not good looking, just like they aren’t pro-athletes.

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OMG I wish people would stop using celebrities as examples. It only deludes normal people to the fullest extent. Plus, one thing you will notice, even older celebrity men are usually lusted after women their own age or not a lot younger. All the young girls in their prime want the next Justin Bieber or Harry Styles.

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that’s because they are famous and worth millions, harry styles and Justin Beiber without the money and fame, are just nerds who get looked over for smalltime weed dealers and high school footballers, they look like the average 17 year old LOL. In real life women get screwed by 6ft 2 muscle bound hunks and their 40 year old bosses/seniors who order them around at work, not 17 year olds. Besides I am in agreement with you, it wasn’t me who first spoke of film stars, I explained this anyways in my post, 99.9% of guys aren’t filmstar or male model types, neither do they run and jump for a living, so their “peak” isn’t defined purely by prime age for looks or physical performance. Most guys who don’t go bald, stay in shape and don’t get fat, look the same at 40 as they did at 25, with a few wrinkles/crows feet and a salt and pepper beard. Checkout pics of roosh from 10-15 years ago and tell me he doesn’t look the same or better now. SOME guys very clearly PEAK lookswise in their late 30s. I would say a mans peak is whenever he is, or feels that he is, getting the most out of life, whether that’s career wise, with women, family etc. Not age of peak looks, running ability or sexual virility, unless one falls into a VERY small niche of the population who actually earns a living/reputation from those traits.

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So what should I tell my 38 year old friend who’s married to a gorgeous 23 year old Russian girl? That he should now divorce her because someone on the Internet said that its weird to chase girls in their 20s?? He has a daughter with her as well btw…

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That guy is probably an exception and he is one lucky man. Yes it is possible for a much older man to get with a woman in her prime, however, it’s not the norm. I think keeping something like this as a goal is fine, but people need to be realistic and extend their options a little. I am guessing your friend is probably quite an attractive white, middle class man. If that is the case not all men can compete with him, either. He is probably reasonably good looking and he probably makes reasonably good money, at least. People have to understand their limits before time does eventually run out and pick the best option available to them. That might not always be what your friend has.

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He didn’t say it was weird to marry a younger woman. I’m 22 and my spouse is 32. We have a daughter lol. He said its weird for a man in his 40’s to stumble chasing tail, and it is. If you saw him in a club, people would probably look at him funny. It also screams lack of maturity bouncing from woman to woman that late in life, same goes for women with men. If you’re 42, you should venturing to find someone to help you build your empire and legacy, not planning for pussy on a Friday night

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I agree. But at least we have it better than women! Men can at least compensate with money, charisma or status. Women can’t compensate with anything. Women through themselves at Jack Nicholson. No man is throwing himself at Oprah.

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“Women can’t compensate with anything. Women through themselves at Jack Nicholson. No man is throwing himself at Oprah.”

Women actually CAN compensate with money but the problem is, they WON’T, even if they had truckloads of them.

If Oprah promised to pay 20K per day to have NSA sex with her, she’ll get many takers from men and women alike.

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It’s different though. A rich man is inherently attractive to women because it’s a proxy for being an alpha male. A rich woman is not attractive to a man unless she also happen to be physically attractive. In fact most men prefer a woman that makes less than them.

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A rich man can just as easily be a beta provider who is an easy mark for a woman who will date him but fuck on the side.

Alpha males are a temporary social construct in this declining society – but they are not the ‘real’ alpha males.

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Sorry, but I never knew how people like Melania Trump sleep with men like Donald Trump, I don’t care how much money you have, I would be repulsed. Most rich men are older, unattractive white men and trust me, those women are faking it till they make it, there’s no honest attraction there except to the money, just like in Oprah’s case.

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What the hell is “NSA” sex?

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No strings attached

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No-Strings-Attached sex is a no-frills sex, no emotional connection or commitment crap, just pure sex.

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Lmao

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Most of the women throwing themselves at Jack Nicholson are post wall. I am sure the average 18 year old girl doesn’t want sex with him when she can think about Justin Bieber instead. I am sure there are younger women thinking about him but they are the exception rather than the rule. Again people are also using celebrities as examples for real life people to aspire to. Not many men are Jack Nicholson and not many men have his money, status or fame. I am also pretty sure Oprah could get laid if she wanted to, being in the public eye. I am sure there are enough way older guys that would be content to be with her and she could have married younger if she wanted. It seems that she has chosen to remain a spinster. Again Oprah is a celebrity, she is not an ordinary woman. She is basically a billionaire. She could also look way better if she wanted to.

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A post wall woman of say 43 is still a good deal for a man in his 60s. Plus it would be pretty weird for a guy to be dating a girl that could be his granddaughter. I don’t know how easily Oprah can get laid. But what I know is that men are not turned on by women because of their status or wealth or how powerful the woman is. A man is turned on by how a woman looks and that’s it. She could be flipping burgers at McDonald’s but if she’s hot men will be trying to get at her. A woman’s status is mostly irrelevant to men.

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43 is still pretty old for a woman, though still. It’s not he’s scoring women in their prime any more. I am aware that men don’t care about a woman’s status at all, but women with wealth can preserve their beauty for longer. If Oprah really wanted to look better than she does, she has the billions to do it. She is probably one of the few women who deviate from the norm and doesn’t have the motivation to spend extensive money on her looks.

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“A post wall woman of say 43 is still a good deal for a man in his 60s”

Ahh… no. I’ve resolved some time ago that when the day comes that I can no longer attract hotties under age 30, then I will happily call it a day on my sex life. I will not settle for some chewed-up and barfed out fat grandma (read: anything over age 30 because todays females age and bloat waaay faster than ever) and will simply coast on my memories, as well as the many photos I took of my girlfriends past, especially the shots I made of them scarfing my tubesteak.

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But I thought ‘women (18-28) don’t know what they want’ ?….

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When they figure out what they want, they have seen too much cock, profess to truly love God when they are just putting on a show(ugh); and they are just looking to leach off a man, with some play on the side.

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Yep. I am at my fittest both mentally and physically at 37. I am still horny but my true desire to approach women is about 30% of what I was prepared to put in at 30. It is a cruel irony that when I finally have my game down, I actually can’t be bothered anymore. I am now seeking longterm relationships and hopefully kids because I know it’s only going to get worse.

Also agree about girls in general not wanting to date older guys. In western europe I absolutely suck right now. EE is still a goldmine for older guys but it still requires effort and I don’t particularly enjoy travel as much as I used to.

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I’ve known a lot of young women in the 5-8 range; between the ages of 17 (legal in UK) to 23 who LOVE dating much older (20-25+ years). I would’ve thought at least 10-20% of younger women fetishise it.

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It’s a combination of factors. But the most vital thing is that you must have built a solid foundation of approaching girls right from the start. I’m 38 and I just had sex with a 23 year old korean girl 3 weeks ago. But I started Game like 8 years ago whereas a same friend of mine who’s the same age is fast turning into the 40 year old virgin as he’s never approached a single girl in his life. It doesn’t help that he’s fat and balding whereas I have a full head of hair and reasonable in shape. Ultimately it comes to how horny and determined you want to be in order to succeed. I will be day gaming soon with a lawyer from Washington D C and he just turn 50 so this will be very interesting to see.

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you bring up another interesting factor: race. white girls are less accepting of large age gaps, an older man is bound to have much more success approaching asian, latina, and black girls as he ages.

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Yes I believe that’s a good point. I generally have better success with Asian and Latino women than the standard North American Caucasian one.

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I don’t care if a N American white girl looks like Jenna Jameson did at 22yo- hearing those quasi retarded bitchs talk is painfully agonizing- at least young Russian girls know of literature, art, history, and know what a normal healthy patriarchal family structure looks like.

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Hahaha…I agree. That’s why another friend of mine, same age 38, married a gorgeous 23 year old Russian girl from Vladivostok. They have a 1 year old daughter now and he couldn’t be happier than he is now.

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I too thought that was the case. But recently I banged two young white girls (19, 20)–more than 20 years my junior. I have noticed Latinas are more tolerant of the large age gaps.

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This is true. Like I’ve never even heard of age-shaming in the black community. Not saying all black girls will date a guy 20 years older, but I don’t think anyone would make any big stink about it either. It seems to be whites that have the most hangups about age gaps for whatever reason.

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Yeah my fiance is a 32 year old Asian man. My parents are also 12 years apart lol. As long as they’re not young enough to be your kid lol

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Some men, I would say, don’t hit their peak until their 40s or even 50s. As long as you eat right, lift, and stay active. Yes, the ability to get 18-25-year olds generally drops, but there are exceptions.

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I agree with this. At least that’s what is happening to me. I just turned 46 and for some reason women are only now starting to be forthrightly interested in me. And these aren’t old bags, either. I have two young gals I’m dating and they’re both 26 yrs old. I must say I rather like this, but boy oh boy, in my younger days did I suffer for want of female attention.

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You’re in California though a land of salad and steak eating, trt taking, Tony Robbins listening, barbell lifting, motivated hustlers. I’d say the peak in flyover country is 28-30 though on average.

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True. I see fit older dudes all the time with younger women. Must be a California thing,

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“True. I see fit older dudes all the time with younger women. Must be a California thing”

It’s a sugar daddy thing.

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I read a comment by someone recently in the TRP on reddit. He stated that eastern european women marry older men for security. This is true. If you look around, most eastern euro men dont take care of themselves. Fat, balding, greaseballs. But you will definitely find that anywhere in the world, as I see it everyday in Los Angeles. Stunning perfect model women, with fat ugly guys.

I like to think I was the pre-RooshV. I traveled a lot back in the 90s and early 00s. I met a girl in Italy (and married her) and turned out she was a Ukrainian girl spending her summers in Italy off of older mens dime. I married for beauty which was my mistake. She is gorgeous. But she is a total ball breaker. And Im done with it. Getting a divorce soon finally. Luckily, I take care of myself, in great shape, just turned 40. The more I found out about my wife the more I was upset with myself for getting married. She dated OLD guys. Like she was 22 and the Italian men were already into their 50s. And they did so for money and security. I think most women do that actually.

Im playing around with Tinder right now 😉 and while its a hookup game for sure, I notice the women most willing to do one night stands are all divorced with a kid or two. They too want security. Just be careful out there. Dont stick your dick in stupid no matter how beautiful she is. Look for substance and deeper meanings to the relationship. Good luck all!

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Never stick your dick in crazy…I think that’s a number one rule no matter how hot the chick is. Lol

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Those old fat guys in LA w/ hot young girls are likely very wealthy and/or connected to the Entertainment industry in some way.

A 40yo guy living in Whittier or Pomona making 80k in HR isn’t going to get squat but beg carousel vet Cougars from OKC and POF to go with him to PF Changs on a Friday night- right?

Ross Jeffries (pua from Marina Del Ray) said he once placed an ad about looking for models to hire for various print and ad campaigns and would meet them dressed up, run game, and close. He played on their status hungry minds.

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Yeah that make sense. Easily doable. Im sure my wife would line right up.

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“Ross Jeffries (pua from Marina Del Ray) said he once placed an ad about looking for models to hire for various print and ad campaigns and would meet them dressed up, run game, and close. He played on their status hungry minds”

I remember Jeffries! And I also read that same method of meeting chicks, but thay was way back in the 1990’s and today’s females are privy to this and will be very aprehensive. You have better chances bribing her with a gram of coke.

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I’ve met Robby Krieger lol

Yeah it could be antiquated now. Still might be worth a shot as you can never underestimate female narciscism and status jumping. I don’t know or care about yay yo-a passport and a plane ticket going off to a land where women wear heels and 3/4 of them aren’t too fat to wear cocktail dresses on any given night and a place men can still open hand an abrasive woman without the swat team showing up sounds like a legit alternative.

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The whole pua thing has hit critical mass mainly due to the über cuntish behavior of females and guys are just opting for porn.

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Who cares? even if 1 out of 10 falls for it….you know you are getting laid that night.

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Thank you for sharing. Most women slut it up from their early teens, then start whoring it up for cash and prizes when they’ve had too much cock. But even when they marry, the majority are still slyly looking around for extra play on the side, even when their alpha boyfriends don’t suspect it. Modern western society gives women too many incentives to play the game and act cunty, with their fully knowing the state and society will subsidise the bad consequences of their actions by enslaving their ex-husbands and men in larger society to fulfil privileged women’s never-ending needs.

We need female empowerment, not feminist bull5hit women.

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One of the best lines I’ve heard came from “Bioshock: Infinite”:

“How old are you Mr Dewitt?”

“South of forty. North of you.”

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I was hitting on a younger woman and she asked me flat out “How old are you?”
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My response? “How old do you want me to be?”

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Whilst athletes and tall, handsome men peak younger and then level off; a lot of men peak at a much older age (even 40s) or with a change in environment. I realise this is a PUA blog, with red pill commentary too, so it is important to mention that QUALITY of women is much better than QUANTITY. Having said that, whilst I often mention God as the most important thing for a coherent society, I’m going to mention 3 myths that mean western men are finished in the next ten years, as most men do not consider the QUALITY of women.

(1) Most westernised women (oftentimes white girls) are the biggest sluts (do it for fun) compared to women from other more traditional cultures. Then as they have seen too much cock, they turn into whores (do it for the money/security), somewhat unsuccessfully. This female excessive promiscuity breeds weak men who excel at sexing up women and don’t excel at anything else. Obviously, as Russo had said in his documentary ‘Freedom to Fascism’, having women in the workforce and having feminist sluts was to break up the family unit and make the men weaker and more controllable, to the point where today, even so called alpha males can be brought down by females in court cases and shit, as well as having females never satisfied by even alpha cock, as there is always another alpha to fuck.

(2) The point (1) above leads us to how feminism and male PUAdom, leads to a low-trust society. For example, I went to a mainly white homogenous country a couple years back for a while (Hungary). I thought all the girls were hot and DTF, as well as being more feminine than the west. But having a mainly white/homogenous society did not make it a place of strong values, as opposed to an amoral society with promiscuous women and weak men. An example could be the time when I was 50 feet away from a guy who collapsed in the street, who was surrounded by at least 40-50 white Hungarians who all clearly saw what happened and passed him by. I actually waited a minute or two before I realised all those closest to him wouldn’t help him, so I walked over and helped get this guy up the stairs to the local baths before getting him an ambulance. I’m pretty sure white nationalism is fucked, as we have a ‘fuck you, i got me mine’ society, which is a direct consequence of feminism. Like I said, lots of hot girls to fuck, but few genuine women or upstanding men.

(3) Women are not men. We are supposed to complement each other. Having a bunch of career sluts who have no babies is why the white birth rate is far short of the 2.1 it needs to be – so you can’t complain when other men and women have those babies. Worse still, feminism leads to someone else (the government) gaining greater power over you and everyone else. Its come to the point where the masses can never successfully revolt in the west, as they are dependent on the bankers and the state, for these entities own the food supply and if they cut it off, then 90% of western folk would die in a few months before being able to implement an alternative. On the other hand, if the masses don’t revolt, in the next few years 100% of them will be enslaved and most likely many will die out in the years afterwards.

Feminism was designed by bankers and was always used to successfully destroy previous societies (e.g. Rome). The predictable consequence was that the totalitarian state it birthed always collapsed, followed by ‘outsider barbarians’ taking over. The parallels with today are profound, and shows that humans are not particularly smart and never learn from history. Even many on this blog may be of the type to try to take advantage of hedonism until that society burns out due to theirs’ and others’ actions – what follows afterwards is much pain and suffering, followed by their deaths. The prioritisation men give to poosey is just as bad as feminism itself – it will lead to a future where men will be getting laid by the hordes of immigrant men who will shove their multiple cocks up each western man’s asshole.

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“a lot of men peak at a much older age (even 40s) ”

I haven’t met a single man who claimed to peak in his 40’s, and I know many guys in that age range.

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I know a guy who is 42 and was a major player in his youth. He actually has a long-term lung disease recently diagnosed. Despite this, he has used steroids to bulk up and get a six pack. He actually went to Hungary recently and banged a 26 year old ONS, before coming back and getting a 18 year old hot girl in a LTR at the betting shop where he works. He is married. I don’t approve of all his life choices (a little more responsibility to society without necessarily needing to stop banging women and a belief in God would be preferable in my humble opinion), but he seemed to have peaked in his twenties, and again in his 40s ( i did not mention the other women).

Eventually, I am sure with the way things are going with regards to western mens’ position in general, he will be forced to face reality along with everyone else; as irresponsibility means that someone else will eventually force you into servitude and slavery.

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It depends on what is meant by “peaked” If you mean physical attractiveness to women, I would say 30 – 38 or 39. At least for me. Problem was, I didn’t learn game until I was about 41. I shudder to think of all the pussy I could have slayed as a 20 and 30 something year old man. Now in my mid 40s, I’ve banged more girls this year ( 14 so far) than any other year in my life by far. So, if you mean ‘peaking’ by the number of girls you bang, that would correlate to when one learned game and took the red pill.
Also, with things like TRT and steroids, yes an older man can ‘peak again’ as it were in since it’s almost a form of cheating.

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“I haven’t met a single man who claimed to peak in his 40’s, and I know many guys in that age range”

Roosh, below is what you stated in your other article on when men peak:

“while there is some argument about the exact age, consensus among men I’ve talked to suggests it’s around 43. ”

I’m not trying to put you on the spot, but could you explain this?

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I can’t wait to see when Roosh is 45 and going through a midlife crisis, than he’ll realize that there is no such thing as “peak” — in other words, he’ll still be getting ass like animal, and he’ll rationalize it in a way that contradicts this post.

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Population growth drives business growth both use the services of banks. How does negative population growth serve the bankers? How does societies collapse and resulting lawlessness serve the bankers interest?

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Resources are the real wealth (which we all consume)- important to banksters, who are edomite jews who want to be as God and thus must eliminate much of the human race who are competition.

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“It’s getting easier for me to attract women between 25-30…”

“I’m satisfied at what I’m getting now based on the little amount of work I’m putting in…”

Life is definitely about to change for you. It is always more noticeable when your old path doesn’t work the same way. When a new path arises you will always be met with fierce resistance from your old path. Like a cosmic rejection telling you “none shall pass”. But if you look for it, there will be a path with little resistance. If you really want to see beauty within creation become curious about the path of least resistance, it will be remarkable.

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“while his ability to get promiscuous mature women who had their spins on the carousel will skyrocket.”

The future looks bleak indeed.

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My uncle is rich and he’s still banging 20 year olds. I think Roosh that lately you are becoming more pessimistic. It’s probably because you want to settle down and not because of the possibilities of a man with power.

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Anonymous comment section anecdotes are fun, but you very rarely see a hot prime age women with a man 10+ years older IRL. Without fame or wealth in addition to game, you’re likely making other tradeoffs in favor of youth… for example, I have a chubby cousin who dates a guy 20 years older, without that key piece of information it would look very impressive in an internet comment section.

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It’s rather easy for a man to stay on a peak of his abilities and stuff.
Stay healthy, do a lot of sports on a semi professional level with at least 3 workouts a week, do not smoke at all nor drink much alcohol, no drugs and a lot of sex will help any male to stay in shape mentally, physically and emotionally.
The peak is in your brains first and foremost. And you are the one who decides how high your “peak” will be.

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“Ironically, I find that a man’s paper value actually goes up when he stops focusing on getting laid, because women are inhibitors to a man’s ambition and serve as a massive opportunity cost in realizing his true potential, but then his game results will sharply decrease, suggesting an inverse correlation between personal value and sex results.”

So true, in many ways, is that statement, which is why I encourage people to step in and out of the field as necessary. Women will simply wear your life down. They never give nearly as much as they take from us. Much like the gym, university, 9-5 jobs,.. they’ll always be there. You simply can’t do 100% of everything all the time. I peaked at 38-39. I’m 41 now. A correlation between the condition of my body, and the best sex I had aligned simultaneously.

Work, lift, eat, fuck, sleep was all I did. I probably spent far too much time fucking the living shit out of women during those years. I still get women in the 25-29 range throwin eyes, showing interest, and I’m banging a 28yo as my main for the time being. We have little in common however, other than sex, so it’s doubtful to last, but I’m comfortable knowing that. Typically women in the 29-31 range who don’t think the age gap is creepy are easy targets, yet the 34-40 yo women are just westernized and very, very bitter deep down, so they’re practically a no-go for anything lasting.

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I’ll peak at my death. 10, 20, 30, 40 years difference? Be polite and not a door mat! That’s it. I have experienced it all. David.

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Was once vibing on an insta-date with (arguably) the hottest girl I’ve ever known. A stupid, nosy beatch sitting next to us asked me my age. Being the gameless dummy I was back then, I announced my age for all to hear. My 23-ish beauty immediately ejected. Lesson learned.

Since then, I either lie about my age (to the cock carousel girls) or keep it well hidden (from the GF-material girls) for as long as reasonably possible.

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I’m 40+ years old but somehow never had a problem with telling ladies my real age. You ain’t gonna accomplish nothing if you start anything with a lie.

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Some girls do freak out if age gap is too much.A PUA or a guy who is red pill doesn’t give a fuck what ppl think about him. but girls do get judged for their choices.They are not immune to social conditioning like the rest of us.

they’ll make a small issue about the lie later but it is a good thing to hold your age back as long as reasonably possible.

If the age gap is 10 years , they don’t mind…..but if you are 20 yrs older….their social conditioning kicks in.

Part of making girls do things (which they would never do with other beta boys) is to strip them off their social conditioning…..Takes time but works like charm!!!

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You heard it here first folks! Roosh has peaked!

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Roosh, interesting and sobering. Any advice for guys in their late 50s?

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1. Absolutely NO alcohol, drugs and smoking.
2. Regular workouts 3 times a week.
3. As much sex as only possible.
4. Move out from North America to places where it’s still possible to have a normal relationship.

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Good suggestions, but they would apply to any age.

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Sure, BUT they are especially useful for a bit older people.

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And what age ranges would I want to aim for? Single American women in my age range tend to be very jaded and hard.

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I’d day that anything from 30 y.o. and up would be an appropriate age range for you here in Russia and Ukraine.
Forget American women, they ain’t worth a dime.

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Sorry, should read “I’d say”.

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the age that men peak is 28

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“We now live in a time where girls in their prime don’t care about a man’s resources. That trend is spreading to more traditional parts of the world, which means women will start to place more value in exciting metrosexual clowns than mature men with ample means”

In other words, more depressing news of the current state of affairs today. What’s my reason for getting out of bed and bothering with anything these days? I’m not making female companionship overly inportant, but it seems as if nothing is sacred today.

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How about YOURSELF being a reason to get up and go on with YOUR OWN LIFE?? Or do you expect anyone else to come by and magically change your life to the better? Ain’t gonna happen, pal;)

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I’ll accept that, thanks.

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“which means women will start to place more value in exciting metrosexual clowns”

Roosh the problem is that clown game does not work for older men, period. Seriously, a younger guy acting like a clown, that works. An older guy running clown game just comes across as a retarded older guy.

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How about not running any game at all and getting yourself a normal and respectful lady?;) Many of you just seem obsessed with a “game” whereas there are way much more things to offer and to get from a female than just a “game”.

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Let’s see… respectful lady = a fattie, or an UG, or an aged, chewed up and barfed out carousel rider with several STD’s. No thanks.

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WHAT?????? How about getting the hell out of North America and finding a normal female in Eastern Europe? Ever thought about that? We ain’t got no fatties here, women know what style is and “carousel rides” ain’t that popular;)

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My observations are the same as Roosh’s: Eastern Europe is westernizing fast. I have found that men gave to act more retarded to get the hottie.

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Russia and Belarus are NOT westernizing.
I’ve never acted retarded in my life and never had problems getting sexy and stylish and smart Eastern European females and then married one of them.

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“Russia and Belarus are NOT westernizing. ”

You have never been there, basement riden troll.

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WHAT a load of baloney;) I’ve been LIVING in Eastern Europe during my last 7+ years;)

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I agree with most but disagree on not running any game at all, a little game in the beginning can pay major dividend’s, especially when dealing with a language barrier. Facial expression’s between one another become the only available connection and when you can pick up a girl you can’t talk deeply to, to me, that’s when you have reached the zenith, so to speak, as a PUA. The best two relationship’s I have had with women were between women that spoke another language, when we had to rely on feeling’s and emotion’s to propel the relationship, rather than just talk!

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True! My fault! Every man SHOULD have a little “game” in himself meaning being able to hold a meaningful and interesting conversation, looking good and sporty and being educated.

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I kinda doubt even a younger guy will get far if he says what the clown in the photo says LOL! funny ass meme, though.

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so in short, the number 1 factor is access to women either through social circle game or approaching, whether you have a “good hand” or not. If you got the ace and dont play it the result will be a lose. Better to play your weak hand then to wait for a good hand to play which is a big IF if it comes or not.

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No point in decrying that you’re past peak. You had your fun and a good long run. Everyone will go through the same process. Gracefully move on. It’s only fair. If women didn’t prefer dating guys in a tight age range, 24 year old guys would have to compete with men from 30-60 for the same girls. Not exactly fair to men that age and it would drive the value of those women into the stratosphere due to demand. It’s actually a good thing that men get married off in their late 20s to early 30s and exit the market. As a guy at the cusp of 40, this realization sucks, but it is what it is. It’s only fair. Few guys will die like Hugh Hefner.

I mostly stopped going out to put in any work to game. It hit my like a sack of bricks this year. I don’t really enjoy talking to most young women and I feel out of place in the bar and club environment. I don’t have energy for “the game” anymore. I’m literally cool just chilling reading a book or spending some quality time with people I actually like.

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” Everyone will go through the same process. Gracefully move on. It’s only fair. If women didn’t prefer dating guys in a tight age range, 24 year old guys would have to compete with men from 30-60 for the same girls. Not exactly fair to men that age and it would drive the value of those women into the stratosphere due to demand. It’s actually a good thing that men get married off in their late 20s to early 30s and exit the market. As a guy at the cusp of 40, this realization sucks, but it is what it is. It’s only fair. ”

Good words spoken good sir. I agree and having had a similar conversation with a friend your age. He’s down because he has not married or found the “one”, but I advised he best inquire with his married friends and ask if them if they are happy. Most men who got hitched have the “please kill me” look on their faces, the other married men simply lead tedious boring lives. Marriage will not preserve a young hottie’s beauty, nor her feelings for you, nor those great moments you had dumping two liters of cum in her face. Ultimately sex becomes a nice collection of memories you take with you to the grave.

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So basically is there no hope for younger guys like me? I’m going to turn 20 in October, and by the way things are looking, the future is extremely bleak. Is there simply no hope for a guy my age to find a decent woman and start a family? I’m all for self-improvement and having a mission in life, of living life for yourself and simply bringing women along for the ride, but the way things are looking right now the traditional countries will become completely westernized within the next decade or so. Are guys my age simply to become evolutionary dead ends?

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hell no. you have about a solid decade to find a pretty prime age wife who won’t cheat on you if thats what you want. its challenging, but doable.

this post is more to tell guys in late twenties, early thirties “its later than you think”.

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“hell no. you have about a solid decade to find a pretty prime age wife who won’t cheat on you ”

Won’t cheat on you? Today’s females cheat, hypergamize, and do whatever the fuck they want, and is endorsed by society.

Do not marry nor cohabitate. Big fuckin mistake.

No, this article is accerting when men peak, as in when they get too old to bang young hotties. It baffles my mind that Roosh would mentiom the idea of “finding a long term partner” crap when we know that is no longer possible today.

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Learn now and by the time your in your mid twenties, fake it till you make it by “acting” like a more mature man can get you pretty far. Not so much you leave your age bracket behind, but you get the point. << That's where I fucked up in my 20s, I rolled with a fairly immature group of friends. I know a few young cats in their mid-early-20s slaying primo tail right now. The one thing they do is lift weights and dress the best they can afford. Work on social skills, personality, a clever smirky smile that's natural to you. Young girls eat that shit up.What's funny, is at 41, the same girls they're hooking up with are still throwing me glances and cutsie smiles so it's all relative young grasshopper.

A huge part of your self-improvement game should be life-wide fuck up avoidance. In other words, risk aversion. Having condomless sex and you think you're gonna blow it quick and ejaculate premature?.. for God's sakes don't go for that extra thrust, pull out and blow it on her somewhere. better to be bad in the sack and lose her over a poor performance. These dumb young sluts will be on BC pills, and take an antibiotic for a chest cold which literally turns off the pill… and poof, because your dumb little slut doesn't medically know her head from her ass (probably no father – or beta man bitch – teaching her common sense in a split household). And make sure you wipe it off afterwards. Condoms get knots tied and flushed down the toilet or buried deep in a trash can. And no campus fucks with girls you don't know pretty well. Not worth the risk. Get drunk with your buddies, but never wasted around girls you might end up banging. etc. Hang in there, all hope is not lost.

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Damn this is so depressing. I’m a poor beta approaching 40 so learning game is too late for me. alt.suicide.methods is the answer.

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this guy has no arms or legs, and managed to get a hot wife and a kid.

Moral: no one is going to hand it to you, you have to fight for it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s3QezBvN1BE

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“this guy has no arms or legs, and managed to get a hot wife and a kid.”

I saw that presentation, and he and his chick live in Los Angeles, which is probably the biggest most superficial shit hole in the USA. Something is missing from this equation. Maybe this guy has deep pockets, gets a lot of government benefits for being disabled, and she’s riding that wave for a while?

I’m sorry, no offense intended to the guy in question, but no amount of charm can compensate for his disposition. There is another (material) factor going on.

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That guy is Nick Vujicic, a pretty famous motivational speaker. He’s not your ‘typical’ disabled man. His strength of character and mind are amazing, plus he’s famous or at least quasi-famous. Those personality traits must have more than compensated for his physical shortcomings, in his wife’s mind. Plus, there are some women who have a bit of a ‘nurse syndrome’ and want to be in a relationship where they have to care for somebody. It’s quite likely she has some of that.

I certainly don’t begrudge him having a hot wife. He’s had to overcome so much more in life than the average man that he certainly deserves what he got.
I just hope she doesn’t turn sour on him.

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The ‘nurse syndrome’ kinda reminds me of that TV cartoon sitcom “King Of The Hill” because Hank Hill’s father has two prosthetic lower legs and a milfi looking wife who gravitated to him simply because he is short and disabled.

With regards to Nick Vujicic, could be. But I’m always very skepticle though when any chick is acting all ‘lovey dovey’.

But I do agree with you that this Nick guy deserves a hot piece of ass in his life considering what he has been through. And I hope this chick sticks by him.

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I only disagree with one thing you said “nick deserves … considering what he has been through”.

I disagree with that because I believe you only deserve WHAT YOU FIGHT FOR.

The above poster is giving up because he says it’s all impossible. Is it? Is it really? Is this situation really worse than what our ancestors went through? Do we really believe that our situation si really that so much worse than the crap every other man in history has had to put up with?

19th century England, which had the best child care in the world, you still had a 50% mortality rate for BABIES. Can you imagine what that means, that you KNOW that there’s a 50/50 chance that the kid your wife just gave birth to will die? Is this situation REALLY that much worse?

I mean perspective guys. Seriously.

I think if our ancestors saw the whining we all engage in, they would really be disgusted.

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Good point and I didnt really mean “he deserves a hot chick” but rather simply that I’m happy for the guy that he has a nice piece of ass in his life. Lets hope she stays with him.

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I’d prefer to have a wife with half my kids dying of natural causes than have the best medicine in the world but not even be able to touch a girl because she rides the cc which I can’t be part of since I’m short and undesirable.

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I’ve not always had game. Most of my 20s were filled with dry periods. However I did find ways of meeting women and getting laid about once every couple months even at my worst dry spells. This happened usually when I had moved to a new location and did not know anyone. It took me some time to develop friendships and relationships in order to meet women to date and have sex with.
One thing that I learned early on is who to target as a prospect for my sexual needs. I found that their demand on the dating market has a lot to do with my sucesss. Generally women in their early 20s and some in their late 20s are in high demand. I had a couple I my late 20s as girlfriends but they are the most challenging to get. I got married when I was 29 and divorced at 38 so I was out of the dating market for a while. I’m now 44 and dating on and off with one woman who is 28.
I have found that at my age woman in late 20s have become easier for me to get and at the same time harder if they are in their early 20s. A woman 18 to 25 may feel uncomfortable dating a man in his 40s however a 27 year old out of college is cool with it. (these are just my experiences by talking with women). Woman who are 30 to 38 are even easyer and the 40 year olds are the easiest. Anybody can date a 40 year old woman and I can get one in the U.S. about as easily as I can get a 19 year old in the Philippines. When I was 27 I was seeing a 41 year old woman for strictly sexual release. Early 40s is when a woman is usually at the tail end of her sexual appeal and any older than that is like making love to a corpse so this has been my limit even today. (Just my preference)
Here’s the thing. Men Don’t age. At least they age better than women. Even if a man is in his 50s as long as he takes care of his body and health he will still be able to date women 20 to 30 years younger than himself. Women usually cant do that unless they are a sexy cougar in early 40s dating a 27 year old like in my case. After 45 to 48 women loose their sex appeal, Men have thiers into their 60s.( as long as they maitaine their physical fitness and looks).

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“Even if a man is in his 50s as long as he takes care of his body and health he will still be able to date women 20 to 30 years younger than himself. Women usually cant do that unless they are a sexy cougar in early 40s dating a 27 year old like in my case. After 45 to 48 women loose their sex appeal, Men have thiers into their 60s.( as long as they maitaine”

Rooshs article refutes this. The only way your assertion could be true is: if the 20-30 somethings in question have some kind of major flaw; like maybe being a 400 kg. gastropod, or being an ampute with a wooden leg and a kick-stand.

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That’s funny, and likely true. I have only one couple where the girl was 20 years younger and she met him as a grad student (he is a professor divorced with a child). Still together after 6 years and she kind of runs his ass. Neither are particularly good looking and he definitely looks 55 and is a bit overweight. Other than that, aside from celebrities like Johnny Depp and very rich men, I have never met nor heard of a couple where the girl was in her twenties and the guy 45+. I met an older woman in her 40s who was engaged to a 22 yr old Cuban guy who was still in Cuba and she planned to sponsor him to Canada. You don’t have to be smart to see where that is going. When you remove incentives like money and security, most young women prefer to date men closer to their age and most young men don’t go for much older women. Most of us here may know couples where there is a big age difference but the vast majority of couples we know are closer in age, it’s just not that common.

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“Other than that, aside from celebrities like Johnny Depp and very rich men, I have never met nor heard of a couple where the girl was in her twenties and the guy 45+”

And also it has nothing to do with depps looks. If he looked the same but did not have the fame and riches, he would have the same extreme difficulties to get a young hottie as us. But as was already stated here, it’s a horrible truth to come to terms with for most men.

Thst said, I refuse to fuck an old chick, even be seen with one in social circles. Depressing thought yet there is something liberating for a man when he comes to the realization that he’s “done” with having to chase after cunts. It still is better than having married a young hottie during his twenties only to watch her slender body turn into a nagging fireplug with cellulite. I guess everything in our lives changes and is only permanently preserved as memories.

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If I was a guy I wouldn’t sleep with an old chick either. Most girls wont sleep with an old man unless money is involved, at that point they’re pretending to be attracted but they’re not. Guys can’t pretend to get hard, without sexual aid like Viagara, men need to be attracted to a woman to have sex with her. Women can fake it all (just like they do in porn). It’s not right but it happens and those young girls in poor countries that a lot of guys here rave about. Probably faking it.

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There’s significantly more “cougar” type women (especially in tier 1 cities) than whatever the male equivalent is simply in terms of looks. In most of America, the average man above 30 is already fat and looks much older.

Most men don’t age like George Clooney or Johnny Depp, and even fewer age like Sean Connery. The manosphere has become it’s own hivemind where one of it’s core tenants being “Men’s SMV goes up with age no matter what”. Complete BS.

For a man who ages like Johnny Depp, ads an additional 5% to his income per year (which already has to be at least 100k after taxes in a tier 1 city, 70k in most of the US) and still generally looks young – then it’s true, his SMV may go up to some women, but not all.

Even Johnny Depp had a higher SMV in Cry-Baby than today.

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I was a late developer growing up, so I struggled in my teens. I was short and scrawny, and was still growing when I was 21!!! Honestly, I tapped the best ass when I was around 23-26 – the girls were around 20. I still do OK now at 34, but nothing matches the honeys I used to bang back then. Admittedly, this was before Tinder/internet dating etc. I think I’d do worse in such an environment because I used to get most of my hotties with charisma and confidence, which is harder to display on a screen. Clown game definitely worked wonders with birds that age… girls that age are retarded, after all. They know nothing about life!

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I’m 45. Done.

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” that the common man may be better served securing long-term partners before waiting for his supposed “peak” to arrive”

Do you mean marriage or co-habitation? Why would you suggest that after all you have reported and all manosphere has also reported on the current state of affairs? No. The common man is best served by getying whatever T&A he can and then enjoy his memories, and avoid ‘long term’ partners all together, because there is no ‘securing’ any kind of female when the current zeitgeist advocates women to come and go as they please and destroy a few mens’ lives aling the way.

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the truth about “male peak”

If we’re speaking in terms of “biological peak” The body literally shuts off protective dna mechanisms after puberty and allows the body to accumulate damage which is responsible for ageing, this is true in most animal species, biologically, the peak is from 18-25 at the LATEST

So, biologically you peak at 18-20!

The peak of 28-35 is an illusion based on the assumption that you have a 10 year education on LIFE experience by that time, and some residual vitalty from being young, so you claim that the peak is somewhere in this 28-35 range, when in reality biologically it is probably 20, and knowledge accumulation is mainly fleeting, there is no peak

and you forget mostly everything you learned/experienced, based on memory decay theory every 5 years,

Life is a fleeting process folks, attach to nothing,and let go

the body accumulates all kinds of pollution, damage, the brain gets poisoned and eventually goes insane with aging,

think of 7.2 billion people using the air as a toilet, that pollution, though diluted goes in your blood stream, and damages your body/brain over-time, particularly blood vessels where its found particulate matter results in an increased risk of heart problems by 27% (Probably more than that they hide statistics i bet)

this is why people clung to religion for so long, and also tried to use the opiate of “love” to make life easier

find something you are passionate about so that you do not waste your life

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“this is why people clung to religion for so long, and also tried to use the opiate of “love” to make life easier”

Well said, good sir. Indeed there is no such thing as ‘love’ even though men vehhmently project this on the hormonal driven beasts of our species.

I do hope there is something better beyond this World after we die.

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” but then his game results will sharply decrease, suggesting an inversecorrelation between personal value and sex results”

I’ve had this impression myself when I look at how much time i spend on females and time I spend on say, a business project.

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The peak as described by Rollo Tomassi around age 36 is not meant to be a purely short-term mating sexual one.

When peak is having the most and easiest access to 18-23 year old girls, then the male peak is certainly somewhere in the mid to late 20s for a man who has started learning Game in his early 20s.

However when resources, readiness for relationship & masculine strength is factored in, then 36/37 is likely the best AlphaFucksBetaBucks/Alpha Provider/Alpha Father / Alpha Husband sexual market peak for men.

Of course 80% of women in the peak SMV of 18-24 are NOT INTERESTED IN settling down at all in the West, so of course that man can suck his additional values. From age 25-28 however a 36yo with resources looks ever more a catch since she has taken a fill of sexy bad boys.

This fact is also confirmed by prolific Players like Giovonny or Nick Krauser who clearly state that they would have 300-400% higher success rate if they were 27 instead of end 30s/early 40s. 20% of women can be gotten by older guys, but 80% are getting tougher to get. That is no surprise really.

The only factors than can potentially prolong male SMV into his early 50s are massive fame (movie, rockstar) or extreme wealth though money can at best be a supplement in combination with Game, body in excellent shape & mini-fame as you can create your own miniature-ecosystem with great wealth thus being quasi famous to the local hamster. And even that party likely goes on at best to your early 50s, before father time comes down ever harder on you. Nothing lasts forever.

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“The only factors than can potentially prolong male SMV into his early 50s are massive fame (movie, rockstar) or extreme wealth though money can at best be a supplement in combination with Game, body in excellent shape & mini-fame as you can create your own miniature-ecosystem with great wealth thus being quasi famous to the local hamster. And even that party likely goes on at best to your early 50s, before father time comes down ever harder on you. Nothing lasts forever.”

I think you have that pretty acurrate. I look really young for my age (i look i was told late 30’s but I am 50!) and I’m currently in western europe, though I don’t think the attitudes of young females are much different than in the States where I’m from. But yeah I’m not stupid and I do know I’m on borrowed time, and expect father time to come crashing down on me like a free falling cargo jet. And every man has his moment of truth:

“Every once in a while, a moment of truth.” :

https://youtu.be/NoAExSB6Utk

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If a man is good looking, he’ll last a long minute in the market. If he looks like these trolls, even at 28 with lots of green he’ll be alone and angry imaging that someone, anyone, wants to give him a bj. Its a good thing PUAs openly distance ourselves from MRAs. Let’s keep doing it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=6&v=qgAGHY_VEFk

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Good article, I have seen that SMV map around and didn’t buy it. This article explains how SMV works alot better.

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When you peak depends on your genetics and diet/lifestyle. Some men peak at age 20, some at 40.

I’ve seen men that were badasses in high school, only to decline in their very early 20s. No one has the right to tell you when YOUR peak is, because that is for YOU to decide.

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“I’ve seen men that were badasses in high school, only to decline in their very early 20s. No one has the right to tell you when YOUR peak is, because that is for YOU to decide”

I can understand that some guys do peak in their early 20’s, but ‘cmon man, this notion of deciding ones own peak is just feel-good rhetoric. There are mittigating factors simply out of one’s control.

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Modern age and modern man! there was a time when men get paid more than women. there was a time when women sit home and took care of children. there was a time that man’s value can peak up to his early 40’s! let’s be clear here, today a “woman’s value can peak up to his early 30’s” and seems like nobody can stop them doing whatever they wish without paying the costs! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3252949/Schoolboy-seduced-disgraced-teaching-assistant-reveals-sex-50-times-told-pregnant.html

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Appearance is very important indeed. Any man with grey/white hair on beard or hair should cut or dye them, as a first step to securing 18-25yo girls

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Roosh we are the same age. And I’m right here with you. I stopped fucking sluts at the beginning of this year. I dropped my two current plates. Age 20 and 24. I joined the Mormon religion. I started trying to find a way to use my experience with women to find a “unicorn”.

It’s been a miserable experience. Women are dumb as shit and believe that they can all live the feminist dream because TV and every single person around them keeps promising them that they can. They are simply not able to rationalize cause and effect.

There’s really not much else to do. I’m currently trying to game a 29 year old childless never married slut who is entering the epiphany phase. I’m going to see if I can guide her to some red pill awareness. At that point I will move to married game.

However I’m not sure I want to bother. I will never be able to love her as I know her true nature. It will be much work to properly guide her into the future in this modern feminist shit hole surrounded by sluts and her already married to the government.

But what are my options here? Do I want to go back to running online game for two hours a week and day game for six or ten? So I can FWB up some younger sluts?

I have to play the monkey for them. Same as I will have to play the monkey for a used up 29 year old slut. At least she’s still got a rocking body. If I can avoid having images of that body getting railed by fifty bad boys from coming into my mind.

At least this girl hasn’t had her sense of entitlement increase as her value plummets. Most of the girls in her age range actually increase their standards and increase their shit tests.

It does get old playing the dancing monkey. But there simply are no girls who are even capable of realizing what the game is. The only one I’ve met was 36 and lying about her age as 29. And her red pill awareness broke her and made her distraught. She answered it by turning even more feral and embracing the “enjoy the decline” mantra.

Oh and the girls that I’ve met through church? The church I dropped two young FWBs to join? They expect me to man up and marry some used up mid thirties single mother (father is in prison) so this parasite and her bastard spawn can leech off of my resources. Or the girls in church want to set me up with their friends as they come off their latest spin on the carousel.

I’ve found two different smaller groups of men who are trying to band together to make a change. One group is still trying to find something we can do. The other is trying to group men together to proselytize the old testament. Not to live a happy life. We are denied this by our slave masters. But simply to try to preserve some decent culture as we watch the world burn around us.

Hottest girl for me was in 2007. And on online dating I lie about my age. Though I no longer bother to use it. The juice ain’t worth the squeeze.

If you can figure some way out moving forward I’d enjoy reading about it. Meanwhile I’ll keep trying. There’s nothing else for us to do. Other then pay taxes to the ultimate alpha who has married every woman. Married them before I was even born.

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For a Mormon you swear a lot LOL. for what it’s worth, I agree with your assessment.

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Just like you said yourself, if you ever reach an age where you can no longer pick up young girls, there’s always Thailand.

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I don’t think that will be necessary. By the time I’m 40-45, I’m confident I will still be able to meet 25-30 European girls easily, and that age gap should be pleasing enough for me.

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‘”I don’t think that will be necessary. By the time I’m 40-45, I’m confident I will still be able to meet 25-30 European girls easily, and that age gap should be pleasing enough for me.”

Things are changing, very raipidly. It is to become a shit hole like America.

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Yes, I also believe that when you’ll be 40-45 you will find the 25-30 European girls a better package overall…physically I also prefer girls in the 21-25 range (I am 30), but many of them are still at uni and don’t know what they want to do afterwards. They are enjoying themselves and don’t want to commit.

I am looking for mini-relationships and therefore prefer girls that have just graduated from uni and have started their first ‘real’ job. I find that the sweet spot is often 25-27. Although you have to be careful that they don’t lock you down…unless you really find a diamond.

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Getting fewer and less hot girls as you improve in “paper attractiveness”: a most ironic observation that only someone with extensive field experience can deduce. You are moving into ever more intricate and advanced territory than ever before, King Darius. For me, this realization has become a headfuck and I have concluded that peak physical health, artificial means of increasing testosterone, and excel spreadsheets are the way forward. Who am I kidding, I was so rabid at the end of my 20s that I had excel spreadsheets of target women split into various categories, in order to satiate the never ending innate male drive for variety.

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“Ironically, I find that a man’s paper value actually goes up when he stops focusing on getting laid, because women are inhibitors to a man’s ambition and serve as a massive opportunity cost in realizing his true potential, but then his game results will sharply decrease, suggesting an inverse correlation between personal value and sex results.”

Well said. I live in a ski town of 15,000 people, it’s the “shoulder season” & I am sexually frustrated because of my current “cold streak” due to the lack of target selection & target quality. Having a mid-20’s feminine woman here would seemingly cure all my personal woes, not going MGTOW. But there are pros & cons with each. I’ve had hot streaks with several girls in the 7-8 range & loved life, but then turned rite back around & realized the grief women will dish-out. & the hotter they are, the more grief they will dish. I urn for my times in Ukraine, Finland, Poland & Philippines again.

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“We now live in a time where girls in their prime don’t care about a man’s resources. That trend is spreading to more traditional parts of the world…they increasingly prefer shiny, dancing cocks that make them feel drama, tension, and fun.”
A theory of mine to consider: It is more important for men in the Angelo-Sphere (USA, England, Canada ect.) to be physically good looking (muscular physique, GQ hair cut, trendy clothing ect.) more so than in any other part of the world.
The reason I believe this is because in these countries, women have it better than anywhere else in the world. They have the law to protect them & they make very good money from whatever job it is that they hold. They can make their own money due to workforce diversity & therefore don’t need a man as a “provider”. Rather as a type of metro trophy.

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Well written Roosh.

I agree with your points, especially about access being everything.

If you are an uber alpha stuck in small area, there isn’t much you can do.

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I wavered on whether to comment on this but based on your tweet I will add this;
We age out of the game when we choose to do so. The period of mid 30’s upward is a wasteland for the single male (and arguable for the married man as well!). I spent many years adjusting and refocusing my game and habits (diet/exercise/education) when I hit late 30’s although early 20’s women were still easily available. I hit a zone where women roughly 20-25 and then again late 30’s upward were available yet the 25-late 30’s were locked out due to wanting marriage/children. I was attracted to the 25-35 ages mainly. The 25 and less were incredibly boring on dates but great for sex. The late 30’s upward were great for dates but I wasn’t interested in sex except for the rare ones who looked exceedingly good for their age. My game today is a daily struggle and I find I tire and have to take break but I always return, I just can’t see myself settling down. (For purposes of disclosure there have been 17 women seduced on 25 approaches this year, ages of 22-44, with 16 of the women falling between 22-31, and I am early 40’s. 16 of those women fell between Jan-May then I took Jun-mid Sept off and went back out last weekend).
The question I ask myself, when will the “breaks” from the game last longer than the forays into game? I hope this never occurs, I fully intend to take every reasonable step to ensure I can play as long as I choose.

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Deebos, Kudos to you. I’m in my 40s also. Inspiring that you’ve had such good results in your 40s. If you don’t mind me asking, can you give a brief synopsis of your approach style and where you’re doing it? online, day game, direct, indirect…and general MO? Thanks,

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Thanks Rob. Direct night game is still my comfort zone although I do approach during the day. As for my style I take it upon myself to challenge the woman in every way reasonable, my goal is not necessarily to find common ground but to challenge what she thinks or believes. I am also naturally quite comical and jovial so they tend to be disarmed when I start challenging. My goal on any approach/date is a ONS. Here’s a breakdown of a date that followed a previous number close. (She is an executive, 31)
She approached the restaurant, I could see her medium length blond hair and long black dress with heels. Her eyes widened when she saw me, it was our first date and I showed up in vans, shorts and a t-shirt. She looked at me and said “That’s what you wore to impress me on our first date?” I chuckled and said, “Its quite comfortable though” and smiled.
We sat down to dinner, a Japanese noodle restaurant. I asked if I could order for her, she smiled and said “Impress me”. I ordered Ramen and whiskey neat for both of us. The whiskey was expensive. I taught her how to balance the flavors between the soup and whiskey. When we were done I picked up my bowl and drank the remaining broth. The server came over and complimented me for drinking it the right way as opposed to ladling it with a spoon. I wiped away some soup that splashed into my beard.
We headed to a nice little dive bar, to focus on the conversation I told her. After two Guinness each I led her out of the bar holding her hand. We walked in the downtown park just relaxing and talking. I could tell she was letting loose. I invited her to some dancing and she agreed. My plan was to get our bodies touching, it worked. Now this was 90’s dance night, whatever the heck that is, but we danced nicely together (not grinding, I knew that was too much). I moved the conversation to a sexual nature. I told her she moved well, that she impressed me by seeming like a woman who was comfortable with her body. We started talking openly sexually (She started to divulge personal information). We then grabbed two more beers and went outside to talk. The conversation was now on life goals and what we hoped to achieve. She complimented me on my drive and my intelligence saying it was a rare combination for a man. I genuinely thanked her.
We walked back to a favorite bar of hers, she ordered me her favorite drink. We started to kiss, it was passionate. I grabbed the back of her head to prevent her from moving away.
The next morning, in some random hotel, she looked at me and said “I have never been so thoroughly seduced, you seduced me in every way imaginable. You know I am a strong, confident and independent woman but sometimes I get tired of leading. Thank you for leading in everything last night.”
We walked over to get breakfast, both of us little tired. We held hands across the table. We talked about going on another date, about seeing each other again and kissed passionately good bye. I walked back over to a bar next to the restaurant where we met the night before. They opened in about 5 minutes and I had a Guinness on my mind.

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Men “peak” in their 40s because of the nexus between wisdom and raw intelligence. At 18, you are the smartest you will ever be. All of the greatest mathematical and technological and even philosophical minds do their best work before they are 30.
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However, you accumulate knowledge and wisdom as you age (well, hopefully) and that knowledge and wisdom can be leveraged against any particular task.
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As you age, your brain goes to mush, frankly, but knowledge and wisdom increase at a faster rate than raw processing power declines such that your total effectiveness increases well into your 40s.
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After that point, you have to leverage your knowledge and wisdom with the processing power of younger minds. On a personal level, you will probably be at your best in your 40s. Economic data bears that out when you look at earnings by age. People peak in earnings in their 40s and then decline in their 50s.
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I suppose the funniest thing was the amount of heat I took from the OKC reddit when I brought this up. Basically, I said that 40-something men have an advantage in online dating because they have “peaked” and can construct an online profile that is better than either younger or older men (given whatever looks you can convey in the profile pic).The takeaway from the crowd was that 40-something men should be prowling for 20-something women because they can out-compete the young-uns. I suppose it didn’t help matters that I admitted to finding a girl 22 years my junior on OKC.

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If by “peak” you mean “get pussy”, then I peaked at 30. If you mean “quality pussy” then I peaked at 40 and have been in a holding pattern for the last 8 years.
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It is nothing about money. If I had money I would have locked down a girl or she would have locked down me or there would have been some mutual locking down going on. I am rather bohemian but girls find me interesting enough. We live, we love and we part.
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The shit that I get is “hey, you should have been saving” or “why don’t you own a house?” And yet they fuck me, and then we part.
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Roosh is having his own meltdown and mine is somewhat different.

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I respect Roosh as a writer and entrepreneur. But, by his own admission in a sense, this shit has to end.
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DON’T FUCK USELESS SKANKS!
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Go to a bar, see a hottie, chat her up, then fuck her. But really, what did you learn in the process to “chat her up”? If you learned that she is a skank, DON’T FUCK HER.
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Hey I’m a younger girl who likes older men.

At certain times, dependent on my cycle, I like talking to younger men more. And screwing them.

But sometimes I really like when they are older, especially when they can provide. I guess it’s all in the need to rely on him in some way, whether for sex, emotional support, or money.

But every once in awhile, I come across someone who really stimulates me conversationally, challenges me in a way that does not push me too far, and if it lasts that’s love. I just kinda feel it one day.

Inevitably, so far, that has not lasted for longer than a few years.

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Ah yes, masculinity?

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You don’t find it in younger men as much.