The Alpha Provider

Most of you already know what’s in store for a “beta provider,” a man who wifes up a slut without understanding the true nature of women. By seeing her as virtuous and honest, he sets himself up for being controlled in a miserable marriage that ends in a divorce, leaving him financially destitute and unable to maintain custody of his children. Any man under the age of 40 who marries a woman today with a promiscuous background has no excuse for such a mistake because there have been ample warnings on the internet for well over a decade. With ROK having been in the news multiple times, a man has certainly been exposed to our ideas more than once.

By refusing to take on the beta provider role, it may seem that the only option left for a man is to be an “alpha male,” a leave-’em-and-forget-’em stud who maintains large harems of women that please him on demand thanks to his hard frame and aloof attitude. His knowledge of the true nature of woman, however, causes him to develop a visceral opposition to marriage, and it’s assumed that an alpha male stays in the game indefinitely.

But there’s a problem. What if you’re an alpha male who wants to create a family, not from loneliness or needing a woman, but to be a father in the traditional ways of the past? You would have a steady income where you can maintain a patriarchal household with a submissive wife who mostly stays at home and understands your leadership role and the parental involvement necessary for raising your children. Is it possible for this “alpha provider” to succeed in the modern world?

The term alpha provider was first used by Donovan Sharpe in January 2015 over at ROK:

He brings home enough bacon to provide his woman the kind of lifestyle that gives her validation and comfort, as well as providing for their offspring. Keeping himself in optimal physical condition assures his woman of good, masculine genes making her willing to bear as many of his children as he wishes.

The fabled Alpha Provider is the captain of his ship and has the genuine respect and adoration of both his woman and his children. He does not tolerate foolishness in his household and is quick to punish such shenanigans. But he is equally bountiful whereas he rewards his woman for the nurturing of his brood, her sexual loyalty, and the upkeep of his domicile and property. Though it took him quite a while, his patience and red pill wisdom allowed him to successfully find a woman worthy to be his first mate.

A man such as this is the object of every female’s desire and they seldom hide it, often openly flirting with him even in the presence of his woman. This is precisely what keeps her motivated to stay fit and feminine while keeping him sexually satiated and his domain in pristine condition.

It’s certain that you have descended from alpha providers of the past. They were masculine and strong enough to defend the home (or cave) against mortal threats while providing the food and shelter that allowed your bloodline to continue. It’s only now that the idea of a firm male leader within a home is considered “misogynist” and part of rape culture.

You may hate the idea of children today, but tomorrow will come

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When I was in my late 20’s and early 30’s, I never considered having children, but now that I’m in my late 30’s, the prospect doesn’t seem so bad, and I envision myself as being a good father who could teach my future sons and daughters important wisdom and truths of the world that allow them to live in harmony according to their individual natures. The alpha provider role may be a good fit for me, but is there any space for it to exist in society today? What will happen to a man who wants to follow patriarchal ideas of old when feminist laws are in place to sabotage his attempt?

I already have a firm idea of what type of woman would complement me if I take on an alpha provider role. In 7 Things I Require In The Future Mother Of My Child, I listed the following traits:

1. She must be between 18-25 years old
2. She must have less than three prior sexual partners
3. Her physical attractiveness should hover around the 7 range
4. Her skin tone should be within two shades of myself
5. She must be feminine
6. She must want to be a traditional stay-at-home mother
7. She must believe in a god

But now I must create another list for the location that I could potentially reproduce with such a girl. To begin doing so, I have to consider the following:

1. What is the divorce rate of the country I want to have children in?
2. What are the divorce and custody laws like?
3. What have been the experiences of foreign men who have married there?
4. What is the country’s birth rate and receptiveness to family formation? How do people view the nuclear family?
5. Does the country have values that are multicultural and atheist or traditional and spiritual?
6. Will there be degenerate cultural forces that try to ruin the stability and happiness of my family?

There are many countries that we know have feminine women, particularly in South America, Eastern Europe, and Southeast Asia, but just because a country has pretty women doesn’t mean it’s automatically great for something more than casual relationships, especially when many countries I’ve been to wholeheartedly support women in the workforce, delayed motherhood, and easy divorce.

We have the knowledge on where to find pretty women, but now it’s time to examine exactly where a man who strives to be an alpha provider can create his own castle without government interference or cultural oppression. From the looks of it, it won’t be in the Western nations that we were born in.

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Liberty Sea
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Case in point: Donald Trump.

ShadowRising
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Yeah, just be born into a wealthy family. That should work. :rolleyes:

Bill
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Yeah that’s what i was thinking also..
People forget Donald Trump was born with a 200 000 000 $ golden spoon in the mouth. And a family background of wealthy businessmen.

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As Milo would say, stop being poor. It’s tacky.

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If you think his wealth is the key, you obviously havent been reading here that long.

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Wealth is why he got a supermodel. Not to say that a hypothetical middle-class Donald Trump would not have a pretty wife, but you have to get real.

20+ age difference is always suspicious to me. Sometimes attraction might be genuine, though.

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Beat me to it

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Do not live in or near to a city.

Its not as simple as choosing the right country. All western cities are manipulated to varying degrees by state and corporate propaganda. And cities worldwide are targets for the global elite. But in the countryside, in the small towns, even in the US, the traditionalism that enables and encourages a so-called alpha provider is still present. Take the current bathroom legislation for instance: the Southern countryside is for it, while the Southern cityfolk are as against it as any Northern city dweller.

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Ahh, it’s fun to dream that small town America is still like Mayberry USA circa 1955. Reality check: Most small towns are full of sweat pants wearing hicks and hood rats. Anything under 200 lbs is probably a meth addict.

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Exactly!

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“Reality check: Most small towns are full of sweat pants wearing hicks and hood rats. Anything under 200 lbs is probably a meth addict”

I have yet to visit a small town in the states that didn’t have something ‘broken’ about it. Each community has their differences on what has gone horribly wrong with it. Overall, the soul-less banality of the current zeitgeist is ever present wherever one goes. Small town USA is no longer like Mayberry, or Petticoat Junction, or Green Acres; it’s all been chewed up and barfed out.

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Awhile back, I was driving between a big coastal city and inland Urban center. Every single town I passed through was miserable, fat, and depressed except one.

In that town, everyone was smiling, from the Subway clerk to the gas station attendant. People were fit and decently well dressed. Families were visible everywhere.

Wanting answers, I began to research this town. It didn’t take long to time something what was unique about it.

80% Mormon, 15% atheist.

Apparently Mormon towns do okay.

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Bathroom legislation is red meat for rural goobers. Trannies don’t attack children in bathrooms. They’re street people who for the most part stay in their own lane. Rural folks need to get out more.

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I think it’s a huge mistake to marry a woman who doesn’t make any money. In fact i think it’s a major mistake to marry a woman who doesn’t make as much as you as you make.

The divorce machine gives to much leverage to the stay at home mom when she knows she can take you to the court and get the kids and half your paycheck if she “isn’t feeling it” and that leverage is bound to corrode you and put you in a weak position where weak game will leak out over a long period of time and thus lead to the divorce youre trying to avoid.

My wife makes solid cash and we keep financials pretty seperate compared to others which leaves a relationship soley based on sex appeal and game which i feel like i can manage fairly well.

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Median family income in Montgomery County, where you grew up, is six figures. Of course, alphas earn more. As you enter middle-age, we eagerly await the news of your alpha provider achievement.

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I have 5 kids and my wife checks all points except that she doesnt believe in God (but she goes to Mass)
1. She was19 when we met, married at 21 (I was 30)
2. She was a virgin
3. She’s 7 (okay, maybe 6.5 after 5 pregnancies…)
4. She’s white and French like me
5. She’s feminine
6. She never had a job in her life

Of course she was born in anothere era, the 70s

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By the way, that quality woman would date a non-white inmigrant ?

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very hypothetical question. Probably not, because she is too conservative. She seems to be physically attracted to black men though. Reason why I’m a bit wary of her ‘basketball mom’ activities smile

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For some reason I don’t think even most non white women in the west are worthy of marriage tbh.

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I may add that French (and most Continental European) divorce law is very favourable to the ‘rich spouse’. The ‘poor spouse’ gets a fixed monthly allowance to ensure a similar standard of living + child support.

In any case, with 5 kids I can’t imagine my wife wanting to go it alone. Of course she might take umbrage if I organized sex orgies with animals in the living room, but barring that…

If I an give one recommendation: I monitor my wife’s mood very closely. I’m willing to allocate disproportionate resources to maintain her happiness. I believe that the mother’s well being is a key success factor in a family. (by contrast, a miserable father can be a good father)

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Happy wife, happy life.

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Is that sarcasm

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The fact you say you as a Frenchman married your wife when she was 19 and a virgin shocks me to say the least, was that normal in those days because even in the 70’s I thought people did not care about those things, including marriage and going to church for that matter especially in France.

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Well I grew up in the Bourgeois Catholic West of Paris which is quite different from some other French regions/communities, but most of my friend have followed roughly the same path.

I dont think my 4 sons will, though, and I will not really recommend it to them. (The eldest is 12)

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What exactly will you recommend to them?

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While I would be happy if my sons adopted the ‘one Wife for Life’ strategy, I don’t think it’s practical nowadays. The other day, my 12-year-old was talking about his hypothetical future family, and I said that if he wants 4 or 5 kids, he should have them with 2 or 3 different women in concurrent, unstructured relationships, while avoiding marriage and even avoiding living together (and avoiding de-facto polygamy which is probably the worst of all worlds), in a kind of ‘soft harem’ if you like. The reasons are well known: women work and marry later, so one woman can’t have a lot of kids and take care of them
properly. Meanwhile, working women make money, so raising a kid is more affordable for the father than it was in the past. Additionally the risk of divorce is such that betting on your marriage being successful is imprudent.

Another very important thing is the huge increase in sexual opportunities for men (hook up culture, Tinder, so many desperate single females…) which make the “stable marriage” proposition even less attractive. I think that taking advantage of modern sexual opportunities (when they are worth it, and in my view many are) is really valuable for men, but it should not prevent them from starting a family. In fact, the male dilemma is the same it has been for centuries: ‘how to balance building a stable family, with having a diverse and exciting sex
life ?’ It’s just that the ‘diverse sex life’ part has become more attractive in the last decades while the ‘stable family’ has become less so. If my son really wants to marry, I think the realistic option is to marry at 35-37 a girl who is between 22 and 27. However, 35 is a
wee bit late to start a family.

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I do hope you don’t live in America. Here the courts believe that the children staying with the mother as the primary caretaker is always the best option assuming the woman meets a certain criterion: a car, a residence in her name even if it is merely an apartment, and a job. It doesn’t matter if the father owns a mansion, it doesn’t trump that two bedroom apartment in the court’s eyes.

Your son will likely end up paying child support to 3 different woman if he’s American. That’s an awful life.

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While it is true that paying child support for 1 child to 3 women is a bit more expensive than paying for 3 children to 1 woman (in France and in the US), this is only a minor drawback of the strategy in my view. I assume that he will be paying child support in any case due to prevalence of divorce. But he saves on alimony since he will never live with a woman. And this strategy works best if the woman is a professional who makes as much money as he does, because even if she has 75% of care he only has to pay 25% of support – but a career woman can only raise a limited number of children.

I agree that a stable, traditional family is a better option – with the right woman (such as my wife). My point is that it’s very difficult to find.

Additionally, I live in France, which has several advantages: courts often give 50% alternate care, child support is much cheaper as healthcare and school are free, and welfare is much more generous.

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Put it another way, I think that a modern man should structure and think about his sex/relationship life not around the marriage problem (which is irrelevant and will be even more so in 30 years) but around the child rearing problem. The real question is not ‘what woman do I marry’, not even ‘what woman do I fuck’ (answer: all of them), but ‘with which women will I raise kids’.

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My husband is French too…
The funny thing is, he’s atheis and I’m catholic.
On that list, I don’t match point 2,3,4:
1. I was 25 when we first met, and got married at 29 (5 weeks ago… my husband is 43)
2. I was not a virgin and I had more than I can count sexual encounters (my husband likes that)
3. Asian-wise, my appearance is average (maybe 6 or 6,5)
4. I’m asian and my husband is white French ( mom is Bretonne, father is alsacian)
5. I’m feminine
6. I had good job before as a hotel (surfing camp) manager, but quitted before married coz my husband doesn’t like the idea of me staying away on a remote island and going home every 2 weeks , while surrounded by handsome surfers ( the schedule was 2 weeks work, 2 weeks off). Now I plan to work from home.
7. I am catholic, he’s atheist.
But even though I don’t match the 3 points, we are still happy.

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another smart girl who didn’t marry a poverty level scrub ^_^

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Your husband sounds like a cuck, you are not marriage material. The question is how long will it take for you to get bored and start riding the carousel again?

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The problem is, my husband found something about me that he thinks great for him, and so he married me. In Indonesia, a european man like him can choose girls easily. Many girls fall for him (even pursue him after we’ve been married). The question is, among all those “maybe virgins” girls why did he choose me?
Atleast, he appreciated my honesty coz I never pretended that I was pregnant to him, I’m educated and classy, and I take care of him (keeping the house clean, cook for him, have sex with him whenever he wants,etc).
We see each other as equals, not higher/lower, and we respect each other. We agree that if one of us start cheating, it means the other can start cheating too.
If he doesn’t want me to cheat, he will never let me know that he’s f**king another woman.
And I still have enough heart to think that getting pregnant by someone else while making the husband to take care of the b*st*rd child is very bad, and disrespectful.
As a woman, I always think what would I feel if one day my husband comes home bringing a child and he said it’s his child from another woman… I don’t want that, so I don’t do such thing (getting pregnant by somebody else).
After all, when you want to marry a virgin, the virgin girl ( and her father) would want to have virgin husband too.
Plus marriage is not only about husband/wife. It’s about blending two families together.
I impressed his mother and all his friends and family, to the point that I get along with my mother in law very well (breaking the myth that french “belle-mere” a.k.a mothers in law are very bad and the daughters in law and mothers in law hate each other) and I got approval from all his family, so it means I have good value.
You need to talk about this to other French/ European men. Even the East-European men (Russian, Chech , Slovakian, Belarus, Yugoslavian, Polish and Ukrainian) agree about this.
American men (or other English- speaking countries) will never understand a woman’s quality beside sex.

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From my opinion, there are things that make me can’t get bored with my husband.
Even after we get married, he still pursues me, bring me to romantic dinner evening, take vacations together, and he does that to make the passion still sparkles between us.
Oh, and don’t forget about the fighting over stupid things. It adds spices to marriage life.
One day, when I have children, I will be busy taking care of them, especially when they are below 5 years old.
Learning about games / lessons that I should do with my toddlers would make me busy (check about Montessori toddler programs and other sites gor toddlers’ activities)… not to mention taking care of my online shop, handicrafts and gardening hobbies while keeping the children clean and still doing domestic works… and no man (except the husband) would want to have a fling with exhausted woman. And if the husband still loves me while i look tired and exhausted, i should appreciate it.
Most women get bored with their husband coz the husband doesn’t make any effort to spark the passion, and those women don’t have any useful hobbies besides shopping and gossiping.

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Any thoughts on Iran? Does your dad still have contacts there? Alternatively, the Caucasus countries could be equally as good – Georgia, Armenia… maybe also countries en Central Asia.

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itll be hard cuz hes mixed. theyll want full bloods for their daugthers

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Giving up on Western women is letting the programmers win. I guess if you want to admit you lost, fine, but I think Western women have the best genetic material for the Western gene pool and we should figure out how to deprogram them instead of giving up on them. If you give up on them, it’s admitting the Frankfurt school wins sad I hope Western men aren’t quitters on their women, it’s mean to let them be programmed and then give up on all of them. None of them knew they were being programmed for their own society’s destruction, it was done against our will from a very young age.

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Lol. “Man up and save Western women.”

No. If Western women want to be saved, they’ll have to earn it through their own efforts, just like everyone else in the world does.

“Can’t turn a hoe into a housewife.”

Edit: Also note that the above comment was written by a Western woman.

Finally, genes are irrelevant if you’re lazy or misinformed. Nobody hires tall but lazy or ignorant people to play basketball, for instance.

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I’ve seen brainwashing first hand and have since read several books and a PhD thesis on it. It’s powerful stuff. Uses emotions and the same attachment system that makes us fall in love with our children. They used that to program us. I think it’s quite unmanly to give up on us, but if that’s what Western men are worth, well, fine, we are all so screwed. I am going to try to convince women. The younger ones I might have a shot at. I’m not a quitter. And I have empathy for them as victims of brainwashing that has led to women being LESS happy, yet clinging to the ideology which led to this. Because the attachment system is powerful. It’s supposed to be used for loving babies and partners, so yeah, it’s a strong attachment.

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Deprogram them how? Exorcism? They’ve graduated from a Project Monarch-caliber mind control programme. If we came up with a deprogramming regimen, the spiritual detoxification process would get very ugly; whether by force or done with consent.

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I’m going to write a book. I hope it will help. But if men are giving up, well, it’s fairly depressing. Yeah, the MRA movement is all about how awesome Western men are, oh yeah, except they give up when things look too bleak after they let their women be brainwashed. Chin up and let’s solve things. Be creative, be crazy, be smart, make it happen.

Things are turning. In a way we should thank them for becoming so crazy that they are turning off anyone sane. The shirt gate thing really turned me. I could see that dorky Matt Taylor as a colleague. Poor guy.

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this!

so much of the manosphere talks about how Western girls are the scourge of the earth, but nobody is offering any real solutions as to how to deal with it.

it is easy to create a list of 239480284 things wrong with western women, but it is much harder to give solid advice on how to navigate the reality of today’s world. and as i said earlier, feminism is not going away anytime soon.

Instead of fighting against it or succumbing to it, men should be learning how to coexist in it and thrive. if a woman wants to work 40 hrs per week and be independent and be the breadwinner, let her! you will get to stay at home and relax and be with your kids. There is a reason that women have longer lifespans than men do, it is because traditional roles made it less stressful for them.

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“…you will get to stay at home and relax and be with your kids.”

You must be new to the manosphere. What you wrote is a surefire recipe to get divorced, lose custody of your kids and likely STILL pay alimony/child support even though you were the lesser income earner.

Wake up, brah!

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I was married, my husband bought a house with me a year before he told me he would never want kids with me, despite knowing since I was 23 that I wanted them, and made $26.5k off the house’s increase in value over the year we lived there together when we got divorced. Stupid grad school, I wish I had not put that off so I would have known he literally didn’t have the balls to do it sooner.

My friend just finished her divorced. Her husband and him separated and he left his job to travel the world for 6 months despite having a daughter. She still has to pay him $30k and then $15k of alimony since he’d rather work at a coffee shop than work hard and live up to his potential. She’s a scientist too.

Men aren’t the only ones suffering from divorce law. Some men are profiting off it handsomely. Check your state’s laws and you too can screw over a career woman and profit off of feminism.

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We need to work together. It’s why I’m here. Because I got sick of seeing all that us/them. It pisses me off that they brainwashed me, but when men react to that by giving up, it doesn’t impress me with their awesome masculinity. In reality, most human are programmable, so blame the program and programmers. It was Western men who allowed their women to be programmed against them. Why did they let them do that to me? The thing is, there is some truth to feminism and men who come off with “women are dumb” are dumb. I know some women who are insanely brilliant, genius scientists.

One of the reasons I decided feminism is evil is because I’m super smart, happy, a good person, I think society could use my DNA in the future and I didn’t realize that by putting my career first, I was selfishly hogging it. I can go to grad school whenever, but women only have precious few years to have children. It’s cruel to push them into careers that take that away, and it’s harmful to our gene pool because it’s a filter to cause the best women to have the fewest kids, because the smartest, most ambitious women have excellent DNA we need for the future, duh!

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The solution is to seek out and build strong families with traditional marriage worthy women outside of the degeneracy. Let the strong independent women excuse themselves from the gene pool and worry about your family.

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Just the fact that most western women are pro-choice makes them incapable of being good mothers. They can’t say that they love your newborn offspring when she was willing to kill it just a few months prior.

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I don’t know any women who have gotten abortions, at least, that I know of. The two friends who did have accidental pregnancies at a young age kept their kids. They are now beautiful girls, one in high school and one in middle school.

The reason people harp on abortion is it’s a wedge issue that doesn’t have a clear answer, so it’s an easy way to divide the electorate. As a scientist, I’ve discussed with my neuroscientist friends and there’s not really one place to say that a embryo/fetus is a human being. If you’re religious, you think human DNA is sacred, but clearly we DON’T treat it as such when we have things like IVF where many eggs are fertilized and discarded. A fertilized egg is, to me, not really much more than a bacteria, in fact, if God thinks they are sacred why does he let so many eggs get fertilized that have shoddy DNA and get miscarried? The pro choice people are nuts, but the pro life people are also nuts, IMO. The world is analog not digital.

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I agree mostly with your sentiment. At the end of the day men, as it has always been — solve problems. That’s what we do. We assess, we think, and we strategize. And more importantly we dwell not on the past or try to cure what is clearly an epidemic that is feminism/cultural marxism.

And thats where we are right now. I agree that we should not give up, but I also think its time we do concede defeat where applicable. They won this battle. Once someone is brainwashed in the manner and degree of which western women have been brainwashed there’s no curing it. We don’t have the money, the time, the man power. Any effort to ‘deprogram’ our women is an exercise in futility.

But the war is far from over.

What I would like to see from this movement more than anything is a plan for the future. We can’t save these women today, but we can work for the boys and girls of tomorrow. We can get organized, we can create support systems for each other, consolidate wealth, get involved in politics. We cannot cure these women, but with effort we maybe we can create a climate which compels these women to think otherwise.

We must mold destiny itself. And we must do so quietly if we’re ever have a shot at undoing all of this madness.

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Yes. And we don’t turn the opposition into worse than the problem! I’ve been trying to make connections within this side because it’s important that we work together in the future. We need to be one united people, no more women being programmed to hate men OR vice verse. But I’m a silly optimist so I guess I’m probably assuming people are less crazy and irrational and that the situation can be fixed. But you don’t see Donald Trump with this kind of defeatist attitude! You can never win if you assume you’ve already lost.

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If a modern man (assuming he lives in a city) wants to wife up and marry, then he will still have to jump the hoops. Add to the fact that they decide to have baby and there is a possibility the baby will become a daughter. It will add more headache. Good luck with that. If you want to make sure your wife is loyal to you, make sure she has LESS option and you have MORE option and that she obeys you 100%, submits to ONLY YOU. Total submission (Just regular obeying — doesn’t have to be fifty shades of grey BDSM style but just obeying). If she is physically attracted to you, then that’s a bonus but when a woman gets ready to settled, she is mostly looking for a guy (provider) so make sure you have plenty of money.

Also another important thing to take control of. As a MAN in the household, You MUST control your OWN money and also be the one to give HER allowance from time to time as a treat. Think about this. You wouldn’t spoil your dog pet by giving him cookies everyday, right? So make sure you take TOTAL control of finance in the household as a Man. A lot of modern day bullshit advice suggests having females control the finance and husband allowing that to happen? REALLY? No way! As a man, be the 100 percent finance head of the household and be the one who controls the money 100 percent and only give allowance money to your wife sparingly so you do NOT spoil her.

Make sure the wife you marry was brought up traditionally in the best possibly way she was raised and observe how she treats her parents. Does she obey her father? Did she live with family in strict control? Make sure she doesn’t live in her own place prior to meeting her. Make sure she was brought up in very traditional way (in religious way — also good). She must respect her father and when you wife her up, make sure her father passes her along to YOU (now you will be the one responsible).

If you have a son, make sure you are always there for him when he grows up and teach him masculinity stuff from DAY 1 so his tabula rasa is formed from masculinity (not garbage PC we see today). If you have daughter, you better to a DAMN well job in making sure that she is raised as best possible way. If you have daughter, just move to a countryside where modern day technology is not easily readily available to her. Give her flip flop phone at best (she doesn’t need internet accessed Iphone).

Your wife should NOT become fat, even after pregnancy, you must give her orders to do basic fitness at home and always secretly monitor your wife. If you have a male guest at home, make sure tea, bread is pre preped and you bring it to the guest. Your Male guests should never have their eyes on your wife. (in some ways Islam DOES make sense). Your wife doesn’t have to be covered from head to toe but make sure when you have male guests or male friends over, she stays in her room until the male guests leave. Sounds extreme to most western people but this is how you raise and control a female to make sure she doesn’t become loose. Always make sure she has less option and has to DEPEND ON YOU for survival. You must always ingrain this and she has to know that without You, she is nothing. Trash your TV. She does not need access to laptop or even car. Just make sure she becomes a good housewife who can cook, clean, and give you sex at home. Her body should only be YOURS. She belongs to you at this point. She does not need female friends who can easily influence her. You can raise your daughter and maintain your wife as best as possible but society influence will usually corrupt. All it takes is her curiosity and ability to get away with it… that one moment can ruin it all.

So best to have your wife and daughter away from modern society. This is a serious advice to be applied for anyone who wants to raise a happy family. You can make a lot of money but you have a bitchy wife, that ain’t happy life. Make sure you also do your part as a MAN with leadership in the household ALWAYS.

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What year is this? 2016 not the Victorian Era. Men do not need to have to control women, if you choose the right one that is loyal and loving she will not cheat or divorce you, but you have to be the same to her loving and loyal.
In several cultures, the women are the alphas, they are the owners of property and do the jobs while men are the overseers of the house.
We need to move away from the barbaric and old ways of life and move towards equality and acceptance that women are just as equal and if not stronger than the man.
You views and opinions are yours, but I do not respect them, they are closed minded and ignorant to the modern world.
Go ahead and bash me with hate, I’ll even give you some ammo.
I’m a White Bisexual Atheist that believes in a more Socialist Society to improve the quality of life for all of human kind and believes that when all the hate and prejudices have left the world we can become one unified society.

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^ LOL this is why your nation Britain is catering to foreigners en masses and migrants and Muslims step all over you white Britons? You really think there is such thing as equality? That is a baloney concept that does not work in the real world.

Women are just as equal and if not stronger than man? LMAO!!!!!

White Bisexual? you need help there buddy….

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Im from the US #1.
#2 I dont need help for being bisexual, im perfectly fine for loving all people.

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“im perfectly fine for loving all people”

^ Okay man, good luck with that. Wish you all the best.

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This is some fucked up shit. It also reeks of beta insecurity. Stowing your wife from all human contact with the outside world beyond your immediate family isn’t alpha. Caching her in your bedroom when guests come over or when you go to socials is not alpha. Neither is keeping her ignorant of the outside world and denying her access to news, media, books, magazines, films, entertainment, the internet. Neither is denying her any say in how the family should be run. Would you also lock her up in your room when you go for a holiday, leaving someone to shove bread and water through a cat flap? Your wife isn’t your property, nor your slave. Also comparing a wife to a dog is disgusting.

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^ You use the term “alpha” frequently as if you know what that term really means.

Let me ask you this… Would you treat your dog like piece of shit? Would you mistreat your dog?

Why do you think comparing wife to a dog is disgusting? Unless you must be one of those people who do mistreat the dog.

If you don’t control your wife, your wife will end up controlling you which isn’t something you want.

You are absolutely clueless when it comes to women’s behavior and what they can be capable of doing.

You would happily introduce your wife to a male guest? A man’s greatest weakness is women and his lustful mind. All it takes is a woman with a right skill of seduction and most men will fall weak on their knees. All it takes is that one eye lock and a time… If you leave a good looking man in a room with another good looking woman, they will most likely fornicate. Most male relationship (friends) have been divided over because of woman’s interjection.

There is a reason why old school traditions work. Look at the divorce rate today and look at the divorce rate back then.

If you give a woman too many options then she will most likely leave you for another man. You need to make sure that your woman has LESS option than you.

Middle Eastern (Islamic) culture in how they deal with women have the right idea. I know that isn’t popular to say especially among manosphere dudes but it is what it is. Their method might be extreme but we can learn something from different culture and know the “why” part.

Women’s behaviors are pretty much universal everywhere in the world (just with slight different cultural factor that plays the part).

The family should be run by a MAN not a woman unless you are a cuck. I bet you have a sexual fantasy of another man fucking your wife/girlfriend while you jerk off in the corner lmao.

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TSK wtf is “Middle Eastern/Islamic” culture?

Nowhere in that vast, heterocultural area is it decreed that you should severe any information about the outside world from you wife or lock her up when going to a wedding or an opera.

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A cuck like yourself wouldn’t mind if I met your wife/girlfriend and lusted over her and fucked her in front of you.

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You don’t know what Middle Eastern culture is? You don’t know what Islamic culture is? Do you want a dictionary? Are you brain dead to not know what that is?… You should seek help; I think you have a legit brain damage.

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“… reeks of beta insecurity. Stowing your wife from all human contact with
the outside world beyond your immediate family isn’t alpha.”

Klaus Kinski did just that with at least one of his girlfriends, at the time when he was a famous actor and alpha.

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It has to be emphasized that sending girls to monasteries used to be a regular practice among noblemen for centuries. Galileo Galilei did that to his daughter, that he demonstrably loved (see “Galileo’s Daughter” by Dana Sobel). He was an alpha.

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lmao you are a lot like my husband, except less well-spoken.

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Just find a girl who doesn’t drink because she doesn’t like it

Less likely to cheat or get divorced because she will have her own hobbies that she enjoys in her free time while all her friends are out getting wasted on a sunday afternoon

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There’s more choices: surrogate mother gives you sole custody; serial monogamy – strategically plan to marry, divorce, then re-marry; etc and many more. If you learn the different divorce laws of each state/country, you can plan to be in Texas or Indiana, for example, to divorce with no alimony: but prepared to split assets acquired in the marriage.

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Why get married? Just find a woman, have kids and live together.

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No marriage and youre having bastards.

Though I advocate the marriage of old, in terms of religious service and not Western marriages which are patently anti male

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Marriage only goes back to the begining of civilization (circa 5kya) . Humans have been around for 100K +. So all of those early modern humans were “bastards.”

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think you answered your own question:

Marriage only goes back to the beginning of civilization

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I didn’t ask a question, I stated a fact. Marriage is pointless and irrelevant. Anyway, marriage originally was a contract between a man and the father of the woman, essentially transferring ownership from the father to the man that was going to marry the woman, being women were seen as property back then. That type of marriage I wouldn’t mind. LOL

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ownership paradigm is what has led to civilisation. First ownership was the wife, its the basis of stability and progress.

nowadays sure its been coopted by leachlike marxists and government bureaucrats but consider this.

Who supports marriage the least? who are your allies?

that would be the feminists, the communists, the gays, the queers, the sjws, the atheists, the hikikomori types, the degenerates, the single moms, the most unstable, morally bankrupt mentally ill ends of society.

Man today has no reason to enter into marriage as it is practised by the state, but that does not mean the tradition of marriage doesn’t hold the highest merit.

Just simply have to find somewhere to return to the original bonds.

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OK, but what woman today would want to accept marriage as it was originally practiced?

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The fabled unicorn.

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And the majority of kids being born today are bastards. I don’t mean to say “because millenials are doing it, it is ok” but just that it won’t really be a factor, when the majority of people are bastards, people aren’t going to look down on your kid for being one too.

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All boys in that image, but low quality or defective sperm, produces more girls,
Sperm quality decreases around age 40 or so they say.

Ironic, because this is what intelligent people used to believe long time ago, that a male requires stronger sperm, quality sperm, and science corroborated this.
Historical mysogyny, wasn’t misogyny after all.

Oh the discoveries that are not being made public…

Imitation of an alpha does not make an alpha.

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Regarding education, homeschooling is the way of the future.

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Yes but only if you take it seriously and hire and vet teachers (for their politics and academic ability) to come in.

A lot of homeschooled kids are great in manners but terrible when it comes too measuring up in stem to their school counterparts.

There are a few people that do it really well. Mister money moustache did an excellent job raising his kid and they have a good local area (colorado) so homeschooling worked because both spouses were engineers and took a pragmatic evidence led approach to home schooling

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“A lot of homeschooled kids are great in manners but terrible when it comes too measuring up in stem to their school counterparts”

Math/Verbal scores on the SAT/ACT:

http://www.responsiblehomeschooling.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/SAT.png

The real advantage and purpose of homeschooling is avoiding the toxicity of mainstream society. Families who homeschool are more willingly to tell their children to avoid college altogether, especially girls, and encourage them to marry young, thus avoiding debt and risk of losing their children to the Left.

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I completely agree with the social and cultural benefits but as far as data you’re going to have come up with something more recent (not 2001)and not seemingly from an excel spreadsheet but a study that is dissected by geographical location as well. For instance if you measure in colorado versus philadelphia there are gonna be differences.

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Good advice from a guy with no kids recommending shithole countries to raise a family.

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If those two lists are your bar for finding a wife, then you’ve got one hell of an uphill battle.

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The problem with Roosh’s ideal girl is that she will almost certainly be the product of an “Alpha” father who will forbid his daughter to marry someone he perceives to be a shiftless player type. And the daughter will accept this decision.

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I agree here, dad will see through anything that looks fishy.

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Yeah, not to mention what is a traditional, near-virginal, religious girl going to think when she finds out about his library of bang around the world books? In a way Roosh is starting to sound like the used up 40 year old woman who demands a pretty boy millionaire.

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This reminds of me the character played by Jack Black in the movie Shallow Hal from 2001. His perfect girl is so impossible that he cannot find the right looks, personality, and any other attribute.

The reality is that this is 2016 and feminism and all the other social movements are not going anywhere. Trying to resurrect ideals from the 1950s and slapping a new moniker on them doesn’t solve the problem that women today are different. Unless you go to some shithole village in a poor country then you’re not going to find a woman who fills the criteria that Roosh has listed.

Going abroad to find yourself a wifey is also not a feasable solution for most men because of the logistics of making such a jump. Besides with the speed of the internet the latest social justice ideology is being picked up everywhere. There is no escaping this reality and instead of running from it, men must learn to adapt.

Eventually you will reach an age when your sperm will not be as potent and you may not be able to have a family, much like the women you write about.

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“There is no escaping this reality and instead of running from it, men must learn to adapt.”

What does that mean exactly? Learn to adapt how? Also, men really can have children at a much older age than can women. Men in their 50s can easily impregnant a younger woman.. unless they have some underlying fertility issues, men’s sperm remains potent for a long time. You really can’t compare that to women whose fertility starts to go downhill rapidly after 35, and even sooner post 30.

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His perfect girl is so impossible that he cannot find the right looks, personality, and any other attribute.

1. Nothing Roosh mentions is regarding a “perfect” girl. And thus is not a relevant comparison. The same goes for the average man who an average woman would consider attractive/not a loser: the average man does desire a woman with a fundamental set of criteria, not perfect.

Men are typically pretty basic in what they want and what it takes to make them happy.

I’m amazed how some people don’t seem to get that.

2. The average man, with a decent income, if he wanted to could indeed find and marry a foreign woman. I have seen it done. However, most men are too afraid and not motivated. They accept the status quo and get future fat housewife instead.

There are plenty of places in this great big world where a (and yes, older too) man can have a pretty & young wife worthy of starting a family. However it takes effort and a different perspective than western men often have.

I think you’re painting a much more grim picture than reflects reality.

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Nice piece. I’ve never particularly wanted children. In fact, I really disliked them. It’s only in the last year or so that the idea of children has started to appeal to me.

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It’s instinctual to want children.

People who don’t want children are mentally ill.

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Does the fogey in your moniker mean middle aged? Unless you’ve got some paper I bet it’s a challenge dating 7s or better in the OC.

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Other people’s children are insufferable.

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Here’s my plan: 1) Have kids with a Polish girl 2) Visit them every four months. 3) Sent them to a private British/Canadian boarding school, you can’t underestimate the english language hegemony over the world. I rather have them a superior education that will help them over them going to a 3rd world shithole school. 4) During the summer train them in lifting+martial arts, no kid grows beta when he is physically strong. 5) Foster a strong math background since childhood that will help to choose engineering/science careers.

From them is up to them how they life their lives. Again, the third world might be good for feminine women but its crime, corruption and unsafety are not suitable for young leaders.

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Definitely written by someone who doesn’t have children yet. Sure, divorce rates, birth rates, etc are interesting, but that’s focused on _you_ and not _your children_ for the most part.

What you should be looking at is what can help your children. Quality of schools, crime rate, and the one that I found was the biggest factor: opportunity. There’s two sides to that. Let’s say your kid has some kind of rare medical disease. Do you want to be in a country where the doctors have never seen it, or one where there are some who specialize in just this disease?

Or look at it the other way — let’s say your kid is really good at some type of sport or hobby. Can they become the best of the best in that country, or is the country too small to provide any real support system (coaches, competitions, etc).

Yes, I get your point about divorce rates and so on. From the perspective of children, you’d want your child to grow up in a situation where their friends and peers are also coming from a nuclear, well-educated family so their friends are good influences.

That’s why home prices in some parts of the US are so high — people are paying for certain school districts, and that also means your neighbors are like-minded if they’re willing to pay that premium as well. The end result is you’re surrounded by educated, high-earning, successful families and their children — a great environment for a child to grow up in.

Don’t worry, once you have kids this will all come into perspective. You’ll find you’re making decisions primarily based on what’s best for your children, not for you or your spouse.

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I grew up in one of the “top school systems” in my state and my parents almost pulled me out of it in high school to pay for private school. The quality of public education in America is highly overrated.

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I agree with Jim. Since children, my wife and my relationship has taken on a very ‘co-worker’ feel to it, which I stress is in addition to the emotions we had before hand, not at the expense of those emotions. Our love had grown and changed.

I have to accept that, because of the complications involved in my son’s birth, I would have lost both my son and my wife if we’d been born in a developing country. Feminisms or anti-feminism can both get fucked, it is all about the best possible life for my son and all future kids. Anyone that tried to bring absolutely anything at all into the equation of what’s best for my son, other than what was actually best for him, would appear childish.

My experience is that once I started trying for kids, the world of feminism just fell away into nothing. None of the midwives, obstetricians or other parents paid anything feminism had to say the slightest attention. I really notice that. If you want to be done with feminism, have kids.

My advice? Fall in love, have kids and then strap yourself in for one hell of a ride. A lot of the political shit you thought of in the past just won’t be relevant any more.

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I know I will get flack for this but it must be said: the Philippines.

It’s rock solid Catholic and divorce is illegal. I married one. There will not be a divorce.

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What is your opinion regarding the average attractiveness of Filipinas?

From what I’ve seen so far (note: admittedly I have not been there yet, just based on hundreds of profile pics on introduction sites) they are usually average at best, with a few cuties here and there.

Also, they seem to have very warm, fun personalities, too. Also, how old is your wife? Seems like a man can find a younger, respectable Filipina there.

Thoughts?

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There’s this radio talk show host named Art Bell, after his last wife(who was also Filipina) died, he got himself a new Filipina girl that was in her late teens. He was like around 60 at the time.

No matter what your age, any guy can get a teenage wife from the Phils, if that’s your thing.

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/cimages/var/ezwebin_site/storage/images/coast-to-coast/repository/photos/bell-family-photos/414356-2-eng-US/Bell-Family-Photos.jpg

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Yep, I know Art Bell from that show. Also, Phil Hendrie used to do a great impression of Art many years ago.

Yeah, I realize getting a Filipina is not the issue, but the odds of finding a fairly attractive woman there is what was on my mind.

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LOL Funny you mention him, I was just reading his Wikipedia. He is a serial quitter, having started and left numerous programs and projects after his most famous Coast to Coast. He apparently just quit his last online show after only doing it a few weeks, and even he admits he’s not going to try any more.

I’m more a latina guy than an Asian, but many Filipina girls appeal to me. Personally, I think the most attractive Asians are Indonesian, Thai, maybe Vietnamese but Filipinas are right up there too. Remember, several of them have European blood from the Spanish (and brief American) occupations. And really, when you are 60, any thin teenager is going to look pretty freakin awesome.

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“And really, when you are 60, any thin teenager is going to look pretty freakin awesome.”

Exactly. Art Bell’s wife is about a 5 tops, but if I was 60, she’d be a 9. I’ve actually followed Bell for years. This teenage wife of his actually reached out and contacted him after his former wife’s death. Dude went from deep mourning to being in love again within weeks. Crazy. She’s obviously calculating and knew what she was doing. Knowing he’s an old lonely guy who probably has a nice net worth, she found her meal ticket and a ride to America using her young vagina as a lure. I’m sure she knew very well he’d be dead before too long given his age and would leave all his wealth with her. Well played. I can’t hate. She’s getting what she wants, and he’ll have some young tail to smash until his final days. Seems like she really takes good care of him and their kid too in the traditional wifey sense.

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Haha, you said it. I did not know about the girl contacting him. That’s pretty manipulative. But hey, it was gonna be her or someone else, right? I do remember him getting hitched almost immediately after his supposed love of his life died. I have no problem with his plan, except it has to make the prior family feel weird.. I mean I think he has kids significantly older than his current wife?

He was fun to listen to though. I still remember this episode when I was a teenager, where he was talking to this guy flying his tiny airplane over Area 51 who called in live, and Art was begging him to break off and return home, planes start chasing him, he starts flipping out, and his connection dropped. haha. Good radio drama, and he was a great interviewer. But his actions lately make me lose a lot of respect for him (I mean being a wishy washy quitter, not banging a thin Asian teenager).

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I was actually listening live when that area 51 guy called in, lol. That was back in 1995 I believe. I think I was 18 or so at the time. Damn time flies. You can find that clip on youtube. I still listen to coast to coast every night. Sure it’s a lot of tin foil hat shit, but it’s fun too. Bell is legendary radio personality. I like even just listening to him read the day’s news.

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That’s awesome. I had no idea he was married to that woman.

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Honestly, there are a lot of mutt-dogs among Filipino women. (pushed in nose, mole on face, flat chest, etc etc). So you have to be picky. Luckily, among them there will be the ocassional fine one, and those are the ones you go for.

I’m 46, my wife is 28. I didn’t need to do any bullshit hustling routine in a nightclub. I just sent a message to a woman on a dating website and she messaged me back. There are many good, educated women out there. My wife is an accountant in Manila. I don’t have a 9 – 5 office job so I can take off and be with her in the filippines when I finish my contracts which are typically 60 days followed by 60 days vacation. So I spend half the year with her and the other half I’m working in the usa.

I would say the filippines is a last ditch effort for western men. It wasnt my first choice. But I’m 46 and it’s time to forget western women, I’m not getting younger. If you believe (like I do) that the west has become decadent and divorce prone, then the filippines is a good way to go. They don’t believe in secular progressivism, they’re traditional patriarchal Catholics.

It’s also nice when a guy my age can land a woman in her 20’s.

By the way, check out dateinasia.com

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Thanks for the tip and feedback! Yes, definitely I think it’s a great option to consider. I was asking because my initial impression falls exactly in line with what you’re saying.

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1. You can join a religious community that lives in an isolated region.
2. Join an out of town pentecostal church.
3. Marry Rich.
4. You can try Russia.
5. You can convert to Islam and move to Dubai.
All increase your chances, none guarantee them.

I would probably prefer 3. as in most countries worth living your the provider alpha for only as long as she chooses, then you become her lifestyle provider.

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Good ‘ol Tom Leykis explains it great why it is not great to have kids.

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Yeah, I’ve heard him mention several times throughout recent broadcast about the kind of life he enjoys via benefit of no kids to support.

It’s food for thought.

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Roosh,
I can’t wait to hear about your dating experience when looking for the future mother of your offspring. Do you think you’ll need to fall in love or will you be more pragmatic and use logic to find a compatible mate?

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Do you believe in god?

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I’ve followed Roosh for years and I know he’s said in the past that he’s an atheist that doesn’t believe in life after death. Maybe he’s changed his tune recently.

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I’ve wondered too. Biologists are known for being the least religious and most atheistic of all science disciplines. Physicists are ranked as highly religous. Medical doctors, engineers and computer techs are in between. He quit working as a biologist so perhaps he had a core faith aside from the bio crowd.

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Man reading roosh’s website and the information he gives just depresses me since it seems so hopeless in finding someone.

Sometimes whenever I see a girl outside I just assume she a lost cause and she’s riding the carousel.

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Stop making assumptions about people you don’t know.

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This is what I look for in a relationship:
1. She/he has to have a job (more money the better)
2. White or Asian
3. Tolerant of all sexualities
4. Pro-choice
5. Can be any religion (I dont care I’ll love you anyway)
6. Have to be a 7(if I melt from their personality make it a 6)
7. Women should be more feminine, guys can be feminine or masculine

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Yes any religion. I couldnt help but laugh, its so bad but so funny 😂

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why did you NOT include black, you RACIST?! lol

I thought you were “perfectly fine for loving all people”. …. are black women not good for you?

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I am not as romantically or sexually attacted to black or hispanic people as i am to asians or white people. If I am attracted I would be perfectly fine woth dating or marrying them. I actually dated a black man for a while. Lol

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Women should be controlled by men:

“It was correctly assumed that a woman was unable to make moral, ethical, and wise decisions concerning her life and those around her”

Women are in general more empathic than men. Tests shows it and science backs it up. The SLF (superior longitudinal fasciculus) is more developed in women. The SLF connects the frontal lobe, where emotions are acknowledged, with the the parietal lobe, which include involved in decoding of sensory impressions involved in decoding of sensory impressions. Scientists believe that the strong link road gives women good empathic abilities. Empathy leads to compassion. And women are often more empathic and compassionate than men. And men are often take more impersonal considerations. Both are good qualities but alone they are insufficent.

“You can see this level of control today in many Muslim countries, where expectations are placed on women from a young age to submit to men, reproduce (if biologically able), follow God’s word, and serve the good of society by employing her feminine nature.”

First, how can anyone say the Quran is a good book to follow, a book that leads to moral, a book of God? The Quran and the hadiths let you kill unbelievers, do raids, keep sex slaves, rape non-muslims, it teach hate towards non-muslims, it calls jews pigs and apes, a horrible book. From outside the muslim countries may look like they keep good family values. But reality is not so, and you also see in Quran. Also you find homosexuality in all countries, it is well known that some boys are kept as sex slaves by wealthy patrons in Afghanistan, believing in Allah doesn’t stop that. Men learn to hate women and see them as awrah(sin), all their body is awrah(sin, unpure) hence the niqab. And women who wears the islamic dress are still harassed in the streets and its even worse for women in western clothes like jeans and a tee. Women are beated for too spicy food or burning the food or for nothing. Fx I am of African and European decent, grew up in Europe and Maghreb Africa. Somethings has really gone wrong in Tunisia and Morocco. Sure there are some good things and I love the countries, but many things are off. Showing that men is not more wise and moral than women at all times. So so many men in tourist places works like prostitutes, selling their intimate parts to women and men, but claiming it as real love, stealing money and the other part often buy the scam, and no its not all fat stupid women and men who buys it. Many are nice looking and educated. The muslim man is often childish, emotional and lazy. They are all used to be taken care of by their mothers to they marry and get a new “mum”, and i see many who beats their wife for nothing, for to spizy food, for not being able to find clothes, the reasons are countless. Most have no job eventhough it isn’t that difficult to find one if you are open to anything, but most sit in the cafe talking with other men about how alpha they are in their house, eventhough everybody knows it is the women who runs and organize the household.

“When you give a female unlimited choice on which man to have sex with, what type of man does she choose? An exciting man who treats her poorly and does not care for her well-being.”

This is far from true. You see far more violence amongst middle eastern migrants than amongst westerners. And there is more violence in southeast asia, middleeast and africa than in europe. True some women stays with a man who is not good in all countries, but not all and you see this more often in countries where females have no choice.

“When you give a female choice on what to study in university, what does she choose? An easy liberal arts major that costs over $50,000 and dooms her to a life of debt and sporadic employment.”

You see women in many important jobs. Nurses, teachers, in kindergardens, midwives, writers and in high positions. There are proffessions where women are needed, poor countries good be richer if more women got an education. Not only women take silly useless careers and it is far from all.

“Allowing women unlimited personal freedom has so affected birth rates in the West”

More children survive these days than for hundred years ago for example and more children survive in the west than in Somalia where the birth rate is higher. Thus we don’t need to reproduce like rabbits anymore, fewer children creates more balanced, emotional healthy and intellegent children because we have time fpr each and every child.

“As long as we continue to treat women as equals to men, a biological absurdity that will one day be the butt of many jokes for comedians of the future, women will continue to make horrible decisions that hurt themselves, their families, and their reproductive potential.”

It is a bit harsh. You find many examples of women who is not happy with what you want to imply. Why did women protest? They wanted more. It is naive to say one sex is more intellegent than the other. There is difference and night is needed for day to excist.

The past also always seems better. History is forever moving, we can’t stop it, we move toward something that we don’t know exactly what is but we keep moving, it would break it to know exactly what it is and to reach it, the fun is the journey. We look back at the glorious past but there is many things i believe is let out.

World isn’t so black and white. There are excemptions from the rule, dictating what should make another happy and how to live isn’t right, as long as nobody is hurting anyone.

Some of your gender roles are also a bit rigid. For example in hunter-gatherer societies these days it is mostly the men who do animal hunting for the bigger animals and the woman who mostly the gathering. But they are more open. Women also hunt and men take care of the children as well. Take the african aka tribe, male and female roles are virtually interchangeable, the men can cook, the women can hunt, the men can mind the children event letting them suckle at their nipples!

What do we know after all? I believe one of the most dangerous thing are to follow the mass and just shallowing the words of others.

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I thank you for being a voice of reason and shunning the ignorance in these comments and articles.

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Colombia (Medellín or Bogotá), Brasil and Argentina (although the women are difficult, but if you are living there long-term, shouldn’t be a problem) are all good options.

I still consider Portugal and Spain (not all of Spain, though) good countries to live in Western Europe. That might change, though…

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Paisas and rolas are some of the worst women in colombia,…Argentinas are also just western women who speak spanish and live in south america.

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This article nails it. It’s not that hard to find a girl who meets your first few qualifications if you go abroad. But finding an atmosphere in which I would want to raise a family? That’s tough. And I would certainly have to give up proximity to my parents / siblings / friends / known culture in order to find a place to raise a family. On the other hand, most of my married friends stop interacting with their old friends after getting married anyway, so how much different would it be to completely pick up and move to a new culture?

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I don’t agree, Roosh. There are better countries for your final points – better countries to retain a wife in – but they aren’t necessarily better countries to raise children in. Have you thought of that? Once you find a country that culturally reinforces life-long marriage, are they necessarily going to be countries with good education systems and career prospects for your sons? No. Almost certainly not.

I live in Thailand and there is a very positive cultural attitude towards life-long marriage here. However, it’s a racist fascist dictatorship and simply not a good place for my daughters to grow up in. I’m leaving for New Zealand… which is a liberal shit-hole (and I face inconveniences like having to home-school my daughters unless I want boys dressed as girls perving on them in the change-rooms because of it), but you CANNOT have everything all at once.

I think the answer lies in the bride choice. You need to settle in the best country you possibly can. New Zealand has a great quality of life, despite the life-forms present there could mostly do with being nuked, but still it’s better than Thailand.

Make the right bride choice, however, and you’ll never face a divorce to begin with:

1. Virgin brides only. That’s simply a must given non-virgin brides are statistically a divorce mine-field.

2. Youthfulness, which means prolonged fertility (important for having several + kids), but to find a virgin you’ll need a younger girl, obviously. Of course, age of consent is important and I’m not suggesting anything unlawful… go look at the age of consent for New Zealand, though. Men, always do your research on ages of consent and act according to the law… and relocate according to it, too.

3. Culture – if she’s still a virgin when you’re marrying her then she’s either Christian or Asian. Listen to what expats in Asia are saying and follow their lead. Thailand, India, China, wherever – SE Asia is a virgin-mine if you know how to crack it (which just takes time and money and a willingness to learn how to communicate with the traditional girls here).

4. Drop your standards on having a perfect face for beauty and focus on a perfect body. Roosh says go for a 7… I assume he means the face. I suggest drop the face to a 4-5 and raise the body to a 9. This is easy to achieve in Asia – which is why I suggest it – and a better body is better sex in the end. Trust me, tiny Asian girls with tight hips and tight vaginas… damn, why would you go some big-boned Western ho, anyway?! If she perceives herself as less attractive, anyhow, (because she’s paying attention to her face and not her body) then she’s much less likely to ever consider divorce.

5. Also keep in mind that girls with big tits are – literally, statistically – more prone to casual sex and thus cheating, even if the tits are fake. This is a genetic fact (the presence of big tits or the desire to have bigger tits is a sure sign of a promiscuous reproduction strategy in sociobiology). You don’t want a wife with big tits. Settle for normal or small tits, and when I say good “body” I’m primarily talking about hip-to-waist ratio (which is linked to fertility).

Death to the flock, men

EDIT: Oh, and, men, if you’re one of those unlucky guys who doesn’t know what a hymen looks like, do some research and find the fuck out until you’re confident you know what you’re looking at when some ho is making such claims. Don’t let yourself be duped. They’re pretty distinctive, and, contrary to that bullshit all over the internet, they’re a 99% reliable virginity seal.

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If I have any advice to give to men who want family life; do not get into any relationship with a woman early. What happens is that men see old maids with good jobs and are taught that this can happen to them. However, this is a distorted view of reality that assumes a man in the same position is resigned to the same fate.

A man with wealth and power in his forties can enter the 18-22 year old dating market and have his pick of the litter. A woman in the same position cannot accomplish this because she can no longer offer men children.

People will scoff at you, but most people do not want you to be successful, and try to project their failures onto you as if it is some sort of wisdom. A woman early in life and chasing women needlessly will tie you down and destroy your ability to go after opportunities. Building wealth is about taking enough risks that around 20% or so pan out, and make you wealthy. That is what your degree and job is for; to provide capital for this, not to wife someone up to live in mediocrity and pass that mindset onto children, like we have been taught it is.

Always remember: the more losers you piss off, the more right you are in what you are doing. Taking advice from losers is for people who want to be losers.

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The “alpha provider” is a great goal and model. It is more fulfilling and virtuous than being an alpha male. A commitment to have sex with lots of women (even ones you find morally repugnant, will only turn you into more animal than man. It is completely understandable why men pursue sex as the goal in such a broken society – where healthy, happy families are being destroyed and men are actually left out of the definition of family (women and chldren) today.
But in today’s society, the alpha provider has it tough. Real tough. Basically, all of society is moving against you and trying to prevent alpha providers from succeeding and having influence. You are going against 50 plus years of high priority cultural subversion and the growing open perversion of the good male role model. It is no accident at all that strong family men are directly in the crosshairs. Subtle, enticing offramps to nowhere and destruction have diverted many a lonely or afflicted young man to a life of solitary self pleasure.
The true path is blocked and difficult to see for many of our young men and that is no accident.
I ask you…why do all of men’s opponents hate and have contempt for the CHRISTIAN religion? Because it is the best role model of a “family man” or an “alpha provider” a man or woman can have. There are many false paths and diversions in religion (would the devil want it any other way?). One way to smear and desecrate the path for men trying to find a proper relationship with God is to call anything a religion. So many of us have adopted and inherited so many misconceptions about the value of religion – because most of them are on the wrong path. But who do your enemies (the feminist, family destroying, lies and their benefactors) really hate? Strong and unwavering faith in Christianity period. It is the greatest true story of God’s sacrifice for his children. The ultimate family man is Jesus Christ. I ask you all to examine your views on Christianity and read the bible and go find a strong Christian faith based on adherence to the Holy Tradition. Eastern Orthodox Christianity still worships and is steeped in Holy Tradition handed down by Jesus and the Apostles. It’s the true path your enemies are hiding from you and dont want you to take.

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Further, if you look at what the media shows us, it shows us many examples of the most alpha providers being publicly smeared, desecrated, and humiliated. Is it any wonder that our “role models” are publicly labelled misogynist, abusers, deadbeats, mentally ill, etc. when they refuse to submit or defer to feminist dogma or snub their benefactors (aka central banks). For them tge path is, dont become a public strong decent alpha provider without submitting and deferring publicly to feminism and transgender perverseness.
Alpha providers are being eradicated from public view. That ought to tell you something..society is against you. Who else was society against 2000 years ago? What ultimate alpha provider…a “Good Shepherd” that wouldnt not tell lies or agree with the tax collectors…was spat at, kicked, hated, and crucified? Make no mistake, if you stand up as an alpha provider man these days you will face your enemies and you will need strength. It is too much for any man to do alone…you will need to realize…you need God…you always have…we always will. God loves family men but your path wont be easy…was His Son’s path easy?

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The irony of the Red Pill lifestyle is that you can never find a woman like that by sleeping with dozens of women. You are selecting for failure.

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Kids are a major headache, and apart from bringing new life into this shit life, I really see no argument in having them.

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Indeed, no man (or family) is an island. If one wishes to have a woman play her natural role, she must herself be intimately convinced that it is the proper way for her to behave. For her own good, for the good of her family and community. This can rarely be accomplished if the social indicators point her in the wrong direction. Therefore, in our decadent Western culture, this can only be achieved in close knitted communities (religious in nature). To be part of such a community it is required that oneself become religious. Ironic that to have a functioning and healthy family (ie a patriarchal model) one must necessarily turn to religion… as if it were a sine qua non condition for human flourishing.

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Gold article with a little shit of two shades of skin tone. Why racism? Everything else is life changing

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From a south-east asian woman’s point of view, a woman can have a good job but she still has to be responsible as a wife and a mother. And a woman should understand that the first education of children is from the parents at home. The degree she obtained from college / school is useful to educate her children, and to help the husband providing for the family when the economy is hard (like now). If the husband earns enough for the family, she can work just to get herself busy and have something to do other than watching sitcoms and gossips.
That’s why many women here (including me) prefer to be stay-at-home moms even if we have good university degree. The time we spend to nurture the children and husband is priceless, not to mention many child abuse is done by baby sitters here.
If we want to work, we can choose free-lance jobs or make small business at home, while still taking care of the children.
I always think that every stay-at-home moms should be proud of themselves, because they are raising better children ( unless the mom hangs out all the time and leave the vhildren to the nannies).

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I have wanted this article for so long…

I have also wanted to know for a similar amount of time- is it possible to become an alpha provider in the above manner without first being a typical a “leave-’em-and-forget-’em stud “ Alpha male (I.e. redpill, masculine, good leader, patriarch, despises feminism, understands the true nature of women et al.)?

Though I was the ultimate mangina as of two years ago, and I don’t deny it (mine was the uncannily, embarrassingly stereotypical story of the lovestruck teenager who worshipped at the feet of his high school crush who in reality was a slag), I have nonetheless since coming to university become significantly more masculine and far more redpill, RoK was a huge part of this for which I’m thankful, even though I don’t agree with everything that is written here and totally subscribe to every tenet of its philosophy. At this stage if I wanted to I could fuck my way around with abandon, and indeed have had many opportunities to do so, which I have refused on account of my Christian faith. I know many of you were thinking as you read that part that I’m just a beta-mangina making excuses for my lack of success with women, and to an extent you’re right, at least you would have been until recently- I still have some very beta habits and tendencies that need to be overcome and I won’t make any grand claims to alphadom at this time, but I’m no mangina; I’ve overcome and rejected the odious pussy worshipper I used to be. Still no matter how much more redpill and neomasculinist I become nor how much more masculine I strive to be, I will not betray my God by taking advantage of the pussy that is on offer to me until I am married, after which I shall seek to be the ultimate alpha provider. My question then is this: Does my continued, now-voluntary celibacy, notwithstanding the fact that it was involuntary in the past, disqualify me from one day being an alpha provider?

And give me a brutally honest answer, I have no respect for mollycoddlers, no matter how much I disagree with them, nor how much they would soften the blow.

Do excuse the long, testimonial post, but I really needed to get that off my chest. Also posted on RoK, so apologies for the repost.

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Honestly, the best strategy for a modern western man is to have sex with all the western girls as much as you can, pump and dump. And then have a solid polish or eastern european girl by the side who you can start a family with. This process can go on infinitely.