The Battle

Ego Roosh and Buddhist Roosh got together for a coffee.

Buddhist Roosh: “Good to see that my influence has taken. You were controlling him for long enough.”

Ego Roosh: “Yes I must hand it to you. The impact you’ve had in the past six months can not be denied, but I’m not worried.”

BR: “And why’s that?”

ER: “He’ll be back to me after he tires of the life you’ve given him.”

BR: “Why would he ever get tired of living life for his true desires instead of for other people, like he has been doing under you for so long?”

ER: “Because desire comes from comparison with other people. Without this comparison, a man’s desire is very weak. He will feel lost, with no motivation. With 7 billion people in the world right now, strong desire is required to receive life’s many carnal pleasures.”

BR: “Without desire, he’ll be happier.”

ER: “You’re stupid and wrong! He would fall into a life of sloth and contentment. He will watch movies or read books all day. His body would atrophy since he no longer has the need to build his muscles to display himself before attractive women. He will lose his skill at getting laid.”

BR: “There’s nothing wrong with reading books, meditating, and taking long walks.”

ER: “A good book will not satisfy him as much as even pulling an average woman from the club and then sharing the conquest with his friends. This is what man wants, and your advice has harmed him. He didn’t become who he was by being content with life. He was always unsatisfied. I helped him grow into a man.”

BR: “Did you not read Ego Sex? He’s done with that.”

ER: “That was a most unfortunate essay. He’ll retract it in due time, I’m sure.”

BR: “Let’s say you take control again. Then what? Back to the same old grind, the same old hedonistic treadmill? Spending all those hours to try and duplicate what he has already done? It’s a dead end and you know it.”

ER: “So what? Man prefers a treadmill over standing still. Getting laid is better than pretending you don’t want to get laid.”

BR: “He already did that. He wasn’t happy.”

ER: “He was just confused. It was easy for him to go to your side because of what he’s achieved. The only man who can say ‘enough’ is one whose stomach is full. This journey, in spite of its flaws, gave him meaning. You give him none.”

BR: “I give him independence. I tell him he’s fine just the way he is, and he must please no one.”

ER: “You deny human nature. Humans are social and must be a part of the tribe. He must always compare himself with his peers. It will never end.”

BR: “So you want to put him back in this validation machine where he gets laid for others? The crash will be hard. He will do it for another ten years, and then wake up at 45 and realize he has nothing.”

ER: “And if he follows you? What more will he have?”

BR: “Whatever he wants!”

ER: “But don’t you see the problem? You’re telling him he doesn’t need anything. So in 10 years, he will have much less than if I convince him he wants something he doesn’t need. Man needs goals. He needs to achieve. Any burn-out he suffers from my doing will be temporary. It will make him stronger, and then he will achieve more.”

BR: “I won’t let you do it.”

ER: “His return to me is imminent. I don’t care how content a man is, but he wants to fuck different women with the approval of his gang. He wants to be better than the next man. This is enjoyment for man. He has many good years of indiscriminate banging left in him. He’s just getting started.”

BR: “You will never make him feel sated.”

ER: “This is correct. And because of this we will soar higher than ever.”

BR: “You will destroy him.”

ER: “Yes I will make him tired. He will go to you like an athlete rests from an injury. You will fill his mind with spiritual chatter and he will like it because it means he doesn’t have to work for a period of time. And then he will get bored and come back to me.”

BR: “I’ll come up with a plan. I’ll stop you.”

ER: “I’ll help you: force him to move to a mountain with no women. This is how the originators of your philosophy lived, right? If they could bang women, you think they would come up with the same ideas they have been teaching? You’re a relic, made for ancient times. You can’t handle the modern world. He will bang and bang, mindlessly, until he’s spent, and he will be a better person for it.”

BR: “You monster!”

ER: “Destroy a man’s desire, and there is no man, just an inert bag of bones.”

BR: “Shutup for a second, I feel some rustling.”

ER: “Yes he is thinking of a new goal. He wants to bang one new girl a week, it seems. Excellent goal, I must say!”

BR: “Stop it.”

ER: “You know, his flag count has remained stagnant for a while. I will have to bring it up to him at some point.”

BR: “He must read more philosophy books!”

ER: “Excuse me, I must go shower and change. It looks like he will need me for the next few months.”

BR: “It’s okay, I’m sure he will come back to me soon enough, after he tires of the life you’ve given him.”

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Man needs both. Something for the body, something for the soul. Sometimes he needs to work hard, sometimes he needs to chill out. Life is a repeating circle. But it’s more like a spiral. The circle gets bigger and bigger as the man’s knowledge and experience grows.

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I fight the same battle with myself everyday.

Am I going to be lonely Charlie Sheen-esk 45 year old with nothing but hundreds of lays or something greater?

It’s a choice, but you have to go with what feels natural.

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fuck you roosh

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good post

if I may make a suggestion, I recommend Egoland Seductor, is a Spanish book, aptly describes the struggle between these two things, Greetings from Madrid

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Time to write the book on direct game.

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I hope Roosh gets to know Christian Roosh:

CR: The issue is not a battle between no desire versus carnal desire, but to let God create in you desire for the well-being of your neighbor and a desire to know God Himself.

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Marcos, stop with all that nonsense.

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The dialogue lives!!!

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I have received valuable information from Roosh. The most important of which has come in the form of a confirmation that I am running the optimum type of game. However I sense that lately he’s been struggling mentally and emotionally and has run out of things to say, exactly as I/we come to a point where I/we need advice from a man who has experience with getting and handling top tier women and not just “occasionally getting some woman after loads of effort”. We need someone who fully understands what works, why it works, and what to do to get a truly satisfying life and not a revenge/avoidant-life that will eventually run out of steam and leave us all in a hopeless situation.

On that note, I would like to take this opportunity to stretch out the fact that there has been no discussion on how “game/pickup/you name it” works SOLELY on certain types of women, to be specific those with a deficiency ( and yes, being intoxicated is a deficiency. they are not themselves ) … NO well standing, well adjusted, good looking woman with a normal life goes for a random guy UNLESS he is her own personal McDreamy.

Your thoughts on these subjects, gentlemen, are far more important than your fan-of-Roosh answers/comments to a blog post that any psychologist would label as nothing other than “another Ego Defense of a lonely and lost man”. … Choose your words wisely. Time is running out for all of us, Roosh included.

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BR: “There’s nothing wrong with reading books, meditating, and taking long walks.”

— I like Buddhist Roosh! He seems to understand the deeper truths about life, that banging is not that big a deal when you consider how draining a woman’s company is. Better paths to self-development exist.

ER: “You’re stupid and wrong! His body would atrophy since he no longer has the need to build his muscles to display himself before attractive women. A good book will not satisfy him as much as even pulling an average woman from the club.”

— Poor Ego Roosh. He’ll never really get the big picture, but will forever shout everyone down who disagrees with his 1-dimensional teenage worldview.

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It’s all about balance and moderation.

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Great post. I bow to you Master Roosh. From someone that has (attempted to) read everything with “buddh” in the title, you show clear knowledge of the essentials of (hu)manness. This struggle is natural and nothing to be denied or rejected. That’s why I reckon that more integral paths like Varjayana/Dzogchen that embrace all aspects of form manifestation, may be more well-suited for the modern era.

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comparing yourself to others is a sure way to fuck your own mind up, because no matter how much you have ‘achieved’, just turn your head, there’s zillions who have achieved more. But it’s a false assessment of people, because you don’t know what goes on in their lives, you only see the surface of it.

I am actually learning to NOT compare myself to others. What’s the point? Guy X can be better at something, but guy Y knows something that X doesn’t know, because no matter how much you know or do, you will never do it all. So while someone is wasting time chasing drunk bitches in a club, someone else is improving his own life in other ways. No one can say that X is better than Y. As long as you are not sitting on your ass and you are working at something, as long as you push yourself to make something out of yourself, no one is ‘better’ than you. So what if someone is getting more pussy, truth is, there is nothing so special about it. No doubt it’s fun for a while, but in a few years, you won’t even remember the name of any of these sluts. How many women you need to fuck, anyways? For Roosh is different, that’s his job 🙂

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Roosh,

You should look into Enneagram Theory (you’re type Three), they have a path for spiritual development for you figured out.

“Everyone needs attention, encouragement, and the affirmation of their value in order to thrive, and Threes are the type which most exemplifies this universal human need. Threes want success not so much for the things that success will buy (like Sevens), or for the power and feeling of independence that it will bring (like Eights). They want success because they are afraid of disappearing into a chasm of emptiness and worthlessness: without the increased attention and feeling of accomplishment which success usually brings, Threes fear that they are nobody and have no value.

The problem is that, in the headlong rush to achieve whatever they believe will make them more valuable, Threes can become so alienated from themselves that they no longer know what they truly want, or what their real feelings or interests are. In this state, they are easy prey to self–deception, deceit, and falseness of all kinds. Thus, the deeper problem is that their search for a way to be valued increasingly takes them further away from their own Essential Self with its core of real value. From their earliest years, as Threes become dependent on receiving attention from others and in pursuing the values that others reward, they gradually lose touch with themselves. Step by step, their own inner core, their “heart’s desire,” is left behind until they no longer recognize it.”

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@13 Joe Dick :
This is pure truth

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Seems like a false dichotomy. There are way more options in life then Compulsively chasing women vs. Being lazy and complacent and doing nothing. Volunteer at a charity organization or take up the guitar or something. There are other ways to get esteem and meaning than endlessly going after pussy.

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You won’t be happy chasing tail again because you don’t challenge yourself when you do it. Pickup itself is boring to you, it comes thru in your writing.

You look for the easiest lay and put in as little effort as possible for it, that’s your style of game: make eyes, flash a passport, select for easygoing girls who will fawn over a couple anecdotes about your travels, and get another meaningless lay that feels good but didn’t challenge you anymore than the bhuddist lifestyle does.

I know you hate RSD, but the reason those guys do fucked up stuff is because they’ve hit boredom like you and realized they have to make pickup fun for themselves to avoid the trap you’re currently stuck in. So they approach impossible sets, say and do shit that shouldn’t work, and basically amuse and challenge themselves…the girls and whether they get the lay are an after-thought, for them the game is about beating themselves and comparing themselves against their former selves and breaking social norms to put themselves in new situations and experiences.

Skip to 10:40 in this one where he describes a ridiculous exercise he does just to entertain himself, and at 15:25 he explains that he has to do this kind of stuff to keep himself engaged and challenged:
http://youtu.be/NLL7llrcUT4

“Staying motivated long-term in the game”:
http://youtu.be/4ehIGXn3M6I

You can go back to game the way you did before, but that empty feeling of knowing you aren’t pushing yourself and maxing out your potential will still eat away at you…getting laid isn’t an accomplishment for you anymore, so there’s no victory. It’s time to start challenging your game.

Feel free to delete this cause I’m sure you don’t want RSD vids linked on here, but seriously long-term player to long-term player, give those two videos a watch first and start thinking about how, if you return to Ego Roosh, you can engage yourself and avoid this boredom trap…or you’ll end up right back here feeling aimless in a few more years.

This is why I recommended trying to tackle North America. It’s not about the women or how shitty they are etc, it’s that you need to challenge yourself…but your entire game has been based around AVOIDING challenge, so internally you’re unfulfilled even if you’re successful.

Good luck! This article was a good read btw.

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I think you might benefit from looking into Mahayana and/or Vajrayana Buddhism and Dzogchen. It’s not so much about directly removing desire, but learning to remain in equanimity amidst any external circumstances.

The title may sound new-agey, but I really recommend this book by a reputable Dzogchen master – http://www.amazon.com/The-Crystal-And-Way-Light/dp/1559391359/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1378496983&sr=8-1&keywords=the+crystal+and+the+way+of+light – it blew my fucking mind when I first read it, and I’ve heard many others say the same.

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I’ve seen this episode of Seinfeld!

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better advice: stop expecting another man to show you the way to live, evaluate various perspectives and synthesize your own dogma

douche

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it’s a shame someone having this much sex doesn’t know the art of tantra

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“On that note, I would like to take this opportunity to stretch out the fact that there has been no discussion on how “game/pickup/you name it” works SOLELY on certain types of women, to be specific those with a deficiency ( and yes, being intoxicated is a deficiency. they are not themselves ) … NO well standing, well adjusted, good looking woman with a normal life goes for a random guy UNLESS he is her own personal McDreamy.”

It’s like 2005 again.

Go back to Omegavirgindork you faggot.

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Sounds like liberal feminine thinking vs conservative masculibe thinking. Buddhism and christainty no offence sounds rather feminine or beta. The most alpha religons left are islam and sikhism cause at least they understand human nature,gendar roles and family structure to continue human kind. The otgers basicallt say do what ever makes you feel happy and youll be loved,forgiven and unjudged for it. Which sounds an awful like scandinavia or usa

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Of course everyone is free to choose between chasing tail or not. Nevertheless, if your whole purpose in life has been based in drilling pussies every weekend, of course you’re gonna feel tired of it after a while. Roosh, you are an expert on fucking women all around the world and that’s why we, your followers, read and enjoy your adventures in hope to learn something about it. However, at least some of us have decided to make our life’s mission anything else but to seek for poosie paradise. We face the same dilemma but not with girls, we face it with our own dreams (e.g. to be a rockstar, to be a great scientist, to build a business empire, etc.) and most of us, living and fighting for our dreams, at some point feel tired of the daily grind… but we cannot help it, we need to do it because, for better or worse, we’ve built our life around that final goal, that is our passion (or our complex, as you’ve said it previously), not some ancient philosohpy. If I understood correctly your goal is to find the mythical poosie paradise, then you have two options: keep living for that goal, and accepting the good and bad that comes with it , or find something else to focus your life on. But in the end, if ejaculating lots of cm^3 of semen on different girls every week is your dream, then do it, but do it accepting it with the ups and downs that come with the path you’ve chosen, because every man that has lived and has built his life around his passion has faced this ‘battle’.

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Thank fuck. That ego sex post indeed denied human nature anyway.
Welcome back to the dark side.

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Whats the voice that’s listening to these two voices want to say

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Roosh and posters-

Since we are all fed up American women-
Where’s the best international
Location you’ve smashed some tail at?

I live curvy blondes and red heads so I’m thinking Tallinn, Oslo, or Krakow.

Let me know where you’ve seen the hottest stacked blondes (I like a 5,6 with c or d cups).

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Apparently comments are rejected when they contain the word D-a-r-y-u-s-h.

Anyway, like I was saying, this site used to be far more entertaining. What’s the matter, D? Got a lil’ sand in yer vagina?

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Here it is:

Type Three—More Depth by Level

Healthy Levels

Level 1 (At Their Best): Self-accepting, inner-directed, and authentic, everything they seem to be. Modest and charitable, self-deprecatory humor and a fullness of heart emerge. Gentle and benevolent.

Level 2: Self-assured, energetic, and competent with high self-esteem: they believe in themselves and their own value. Adaptable, desirable, charming, and gracious.

Level 3: Ambitious to improve themselves, to be “the best they can be”—often become outstanding, a human ideal, embodying widely admired cultural qualities. Highly effective: others are motivated to be like them in some positive way.
Average Levels

Level 4: Highly concerned with their performance, doing their job well, constantly driving self to achieve goals as if self-worth depends on it. Terrified of failure. Compare self with others in search for status and success. Become careerists, social climbers, invested in exclusivity and being the “best.”

Level 5: Become image-conscious, highly concerned with how they are perceived. Begin to package themselves according to the expectations of others and what they need to do to be successful. Pragmatic and efficient, but also premeditated, losing touch with their own feelings beneath a smooth facade. Problems with intimacy, credibility, and “phoniness” emerge.

Level 6: Want to impress others with their superiority: constantly promoting themselves, making themselves sound better than they really are. Narcissistic, with grandiose, inflated notions about themselves and their talents. Exhibitionistic and seductive, as if saying “Look at me!” Arrogance and contempt for others is a defense against feeling jealous of others and their success.
Unhealthy Levels

Level 7: Fearing failure and humiliation, they can be exploitative and opportunistic, covetous of the success of others, and willing to do “whatever it takes” to preserve the illusion of their superiority.

Level 8: Devious and deceptive so that their mistakes and wrongdoings will not be exposed. Untrustworthy, maliciously betraying or sabotaging people to triumph over them. Delusionally jealous of others

Level 9: Become vindictive, attempting to ruin others’ happiness. Relentless, obsessive about destroying whatever reminds them of their own shortcomings and failures. Psychopathic, murder. Generally corresponds to the Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

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Roosh:

Have you read The Power of Now by Tolle? Any thoughts?

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Roosh’s Day Bang book is very good. I prefer to look for women in the daytime. They are the decent, good and respectable ones. I prefer not the drunken whores at nightclubs and bars.

A man will always chase after a woman for sex. If you knock that desire and the thrill of the chase out of him. He will lose his purpose and drive in life. The man will become miserable and depressed. This explains why I know three married men at work who chase other women for sex. Now the interesting thing about these men, they are married to beautiful women. But now they want to bang ugly and average women. The variety of sexual partners turns them on.

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Roosh:

I see this as the old comfort/growth conundrum you have written about.

When you’re in growth mode, Ego Roosh is in the driver’s seat. When you’re comfortable, Buddhist Roosh takes the wheel.
I prefer Buddhist mode. But here’s the rub: We all need a degree of financial security to make the whole thing possible. No one is going to live in a cave and subsist on rain water and insects.

Even an ex-pat to the Philippines or SE Asia is going to need food, shelter, medicine, and of course, Internet access.

Personally, if I had a sum of after-tax money that would last me for 50 years of low-cost Buddhist Mode, I’d buy my plane ticket to Bangkok right now. That’s the only thing holding me back. I work not to fuel my ego, but to SAVE UP MONEY. Money = Freedom.

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Buddhist Roosh: Eventually, by letting go of something, you’ll figure out a way to bang all the hot chicks you want without having to spend all that effort.

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I stopped reading this website along with Chateau and Rational Male for 100 days. It was a thought experiment.

In those 100 days I followed a strict diet of Vipassana meditation, weights, yoga, writing, reading and playing guitar.

I blocked those websites specifically because I wanted to have no thoughts from men within the modern world that had anything to do with women.

I also cut out all modern media. The closest I got to reading anything modern was Nassim Taleb.

It’s clear : I have felt more grounded, have accomplished more, and have felt more inner confidence and fearlessness since attempting my experiment. I know this sounds corny but I feel more love and openness towards everyone, including American women. It still doesn’t make me want to date one but I feel zero enmity towards her.

Meditation will do that you. Penetrating insights, waves of joy and fearlessness will envelop you and an abiding sense of faith will take over. Faith not in a specific God or being, but faith in reality as is. It’s frankly incredible.

Another thing, it makes smaller pleasures feel larger. that morning coffee, that slab of steak or glass of wine has 1000 times the effect. Maybe it’s neurobiology maybe its God who knows. All I know is that thoughts are directly related to my own happiness and quality of life. Meditation done every day with strong sincere intent is bootcamp for the mind. Quality of mind = quality of life.

BTW I was doing all of the above (weights, yoga, writing, guitar) except for meditation and cutting out the media. So these were the only two variables that I changed and the results are clear.

I just wanted to drop this message as the very first post I read by Roosh had the Buddhist angle. It made my eyes jump out haha.

Roosh, I highly recommend trying this purely as a thought experiment yourself. Meditate every day for 30 days. Work out, play your instruments, eat well, and cut out all writings and readings of things relating to women, in fact cut out all modern media.

You probably won’t do this but if you did I guarantee that something inside you would transform to such a degree that would make you question everything you have been doing up to now.

I highly recommend any of you to dive in to such a thought experiment. Dive in. The water is wet.

If you are looking for a structured FREE way to do it. There are 10 day retreats where one can do this. I am not affiliated in any way but I know how they do Vipassana is legit.

http://www.dhamma.org/en/

Well, I am out for a much longer time around. That is clear. Perhaps, until next year. Perhaps never. All the best to you.

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Who the fuck says, you need to bring your Ego into having sex?

Who the fuck says, you have to become a lazy, esoteric bitch, when you accept bhuddist views?

Kant says: The only way in that we can be truly free, is if we act according to rules and laws we impose on ourselves. Not upon our emotions, impulses, and lower desires. Only that way, we can be the author of our lives. Only that way, true freedom is achievable.

Let “bhuddist Roosh” set your goals. Then go achieve them. Be the author of your own live.

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advice not directed at roosh, of course, but at fellow readers and above all to myself

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You can feed your spiritual side without giving up the hunger for material things. It actually allows you to appreciate them more. If you take a break from rich food even for a month, when you eat a feast it tastes twice as good.

Roosh, I think you might be caught up in your head. Focusing on inner happiness for a little while will help you a lot, and will improve your game as you will be far less needy. Its the missing piece of your puzzle. Read the power of now by exchart tolle. I can give you some other suggestions if you PM me.

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julian k speaks truth. The way of Buddhist Roosh is not about being complacent and accepting a mediocre state of life. Rather, I would say that is Ego Roosh trying to tell you that, because it doesn’t want to change, it doesn’t want you to let go of states of thinking where it is in control. Buddhist Roosh is about being the best man you can be through being authentic to who you really are, and being authentic means evolving past living up to false idols you have set up in your mind. It’s not so much about giving up the pussy chase but about giving it a proper place in your life rather than the be all and end all of your existence.

It’s also not about reading books and laying about thinking like you intimate in this story. That is the trap of the Buddhist path, thinking without action, without applying it in your real life, just as action without thinking is the trap of the Ego.

Meditation helps. Real meditation is tough work. Through regular practice you are letting your mind realize its true nature. It will force change in your life that you will not always feel comfortable with, but if you are accepting of the change it brings, I’m sure you will not regret it. Fascinating to read about the changes you are going through, I would not be worried that giving yourself up to Buddhist Roosh will sap you of writing material. It is writing that comes about through seeking out your true nature that makes for the best reading.

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The male hamster on display? =P

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Only a Gemini could write this-
Toungue in cheek Slap stick humor coupled
With unconventional creative wisdom.

Like my sign we hate conformity and conventional keep the sheeple in line so ial norms/ aka bs to control the slaves on the international corporate plantation.

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In the Bible, Solomon wrote that his mother warned him not to waste his strength on women—it was in either Ecclesiastes or Proverbs, both are attributed to Solomon. Solomon could have all the women he wanted and did have plenty. In the end he wrote, “Vanity, vanity, all is vanity.” His meaning I think was that all his efforts and accomplishments amounted to not much.

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Vajrayana Buddhism would be a perfect fit for you. They work with desire rather than against it.

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Hi Roosh! The problem your describing is a very common one for people first encountering the wonderfully peace-of-mind imbuing philosophies of Buddhism. therawness.com/reader-letters-1-part-5/

T at the Rawness has written a wonderful series of articles about the world of PUA and what that “never enough” mindset can do to people. Take a look!

-Randori

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Great post

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