Cosmopolitan magazine did an article chronicling the life of Amanda Lee, an Instagram model with over 12 million followers. While she earns a high income and receives unlimited male attention, she appears deeply unhappy, probably because she is enslaved to a job that requires her to share sexually suggestive photos that she knows is not her real self. Let’s takes a closer look at what’s going on.

“I have no idea why my page grew so fast,” she says, although she acknowledges her body played a role.

I think I have an idea why she has 12 million followers:


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???? – Bikini: @twentysauce

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@flattummytea is by far the best detox. I’m loving the results so far ??

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can I kick it? @fashionnova

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In a time when male thirst has never been higher, it’s impossible not to amass millions of followers with a body like that. She hit the genetic jackpot, which was given to her by God to more easily find a suitable man with whom to start a family, but she has instead used it to earn money and provide horny men with images they can masturbate to.

“I always wanted to appeal to everyone,” she says, “but I got seduced by people’s responses and sidetracked trying to maintain this curvy physique and build a sexy brand.”

Before she started earning a lot of money from sponsored postings, she got hooked to the attention that her body garnered. It felt good to be complimented by anonymous strangers online, but now those strangers are holding her hostage.

Personally, I’m very careful not to take compliments from my followers to heart, because if I listen to them, I will modify my behavior and goals to simply keep receiving compliments. Those compliments then become the ultimate objective.

“She still gets anxious,” Fields says of her daughter. “There’s a lot of pressure to keep up with daily posting and people tend to be critical of your looks. She gets overwhelmed. There’s a side of Amanda that no one sees.”

In spite of millions of fans, she is still insecure and anxious! Nothing in the material world can solve an internal problem. The material can only act as a temporary balm, but as soon as the validation from one selfie is extinguished, or the high from a new bang fades, the clock begins counting down to when another hit must be sought out.

The process [of taking a new photo] can take an hour and several clothing and hairstyle changes. “Amanda says she can’t trust me because I like every single photo,” her mom says. “She wants everything to look just right.”

The social-media star spends about 10 minutes scrolling through options after each shoot, then up to 10 more minutes editing, filtering, and Facetuning the one photo she’s decided is perfect enough to post. “Does that sound normal?” she asks.

If a person feels ugly on the inside, nothing on the outside can change that. The fact she has to go through such pains to create a perfect photo means that she knows her Instagram persona is staged, which makes her feel even uglier than if she had not uploaded any photos at all. Even though she has definite natural beauty (would bang), she doesn’t believe it herself, and is depending on others to convince her, but she will never be convinced. She will always feel ugly as long as she has the need to feel beautiful. A billion followers and a trillion likes won’t solve the underlying problem.

She is not that different from a man who must put on a mask to appeal to today’s intensely picky woman. A man thinks, usually rightly, “If I act myself, according to what my instinct dictates, this girl will not want a relationship with me. Instead, I have to harness my most attractive traits so that I’m selected for intimacy.” But then any intimacy that results won’t satisfy him because he knows—like with the Instagram model—that he had to use smoke and mirrors. This is why the best solution to gaining fulfillment from game is to make yourself a more attractive man in a way that is compatible with your personality and nature. When you are attractive, being yourself will work towards attracting women, and you’ll be far more satisfied with maintaining any relationship that results.

Every time she publishes a photo, nervousness ensues as she awaits likes and comments, which she monitors for about an hour after posting — a habit she knows is self-destructive. “I try not to take the negative comments to heart,” she says, “but people nitpick on certain things, like, ‘Her nose looks weird,’ or, ‘What’s up with her butt?’ and you kind of start to think, ‘Wait, does that look bad there?’ It’s not necessarily the healthiest thing, and I’m still learning to cope with it.”

Even the positive comments can feel backhanded: “I read them and I’m like, ‘That’s great, but it’s about the Instagram Amanda,'” she says. “People don’t know the real me.”

I pity her. She is a slave to digital responses in a virtual reality that is accessed through her smartphone. She is an addict to loveless attention that keeps her in a prison of materially comfortable insecurity. All the money she has made from attention whoring, that allows her to purchase expensive clothing, furniture, and cars, still doesn’t bring her any closer to what she truly needs: the love of one good man. Unfortunately for her, increasing her own status through online fame has made it that much harder to ever conclude that a man is deserving of her love. The same applies to a woman who earns a high income. Any man who makes less than her will be rejected, even though they could’ve been soulmates.

Despite Lee’s success, her priorities are shifting. “I don’t look down on Instagram modeling, but I’ve done that,” she asserts. “I want to have a little bit more substance than posting sponsored posts for other brands.”

Is the NPC becoming self-aware? Is she understanding that her addiction to attention is no different than substance abuse? Or has she refused to accept any wisdom that has come from her experiences? You be the judge by taking a look at two of her recent photos:


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last days of summer @fashionnova

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She can’t quit the validation treadmill. Not only is she still uploading fap-worthy photos, the presence of an email address in her profile indicates she is being contacted by rich men for paid sexual encounters. I’d be surprised if she hasn’t given consideration to that sort of arrangement.

“I really like Tammy Hebrow. Her lifestyle is something to aspire to,” she says of the Instagram model with 8.2 million followers, two children, and a Women’s Best sponsorship.

She aspires to be this:


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Firebreather ?? @loungeunderwear

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The only role models women have these days are whores or blue-haired pigs. Traditional women and housewives are shunned by the establishment. What else is a woman who is susceptible to mainstream trends to do but chase materialist excess and ego gratification? While a woman like Amanda Lee can show off her body to millions of people on various platforms in what amounts to softcore pornography, writers, thinkers, and dissidents who try to encourage a more traditional organization of society are banned from the very same platforms.

I don’t entirely blame the Instagram “models,” because they are merely doing what the system encourages them to do (delay or block family formation), but until we can put positive role models in front of them, their destructive behavior will continue. We cannot count on them to police their own excesses. Their brief moments of self-awareness are not enough to change their behavior. What must be done instead is to construct a society where there is no motivation to take a harmful drug in the first place. Otherwise, nothing will change, and these damaged women will serve as role models for future generations.

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  1. abigail92 November 26, 2018 at 11:49 am

    Unfortunately a woman cannot be a housewife today. Women need to work in order to support a family, children are expensive. Not every man is well off enough to be the sole provider.

    I also just wanted to ask you why men are attracted to women that are wild, fake, slutty and dress provocatively, despite saying that they want a good woman. I’m 26, people say I’m “ladylike” and that I have natural beauty but I’ve yet to meet a man that appreciates it. Yes makeup is deceptive and going out to clubs every night is degenerate but that’s what women have to do in order to interact with men. A man isn’t going to approach me for my lady-like qualities/ etiquette or natural beauty. I know plenty of women like myself and we’ve all been ignored, while men drool over the Kim Kardashian clones.

    1. Arnold V November 26, 2018 at 12:10 pm

      F. Rodger Devlin says PUA is the blind leading the blind. He isn’t saying it doesn’t achieve it’s goal, but that it’s not a fix to the wider problem. We need to return to a culture where boys and girls are segregated in some sense, and brought together for formal interaction with the intent on figuring out who is best comparable for whom as teenagers. I would argue this should not only involve the parents, but the community in case the parents are inept, alcoholics, have mental problems, etc.

      Then they should be married around 18 or so and begin having a family. The problem with this is our current culture encourages adolescence into the 30s in some cases, and I would argue many never truly outgrow it. If you lived in a society where death was always around and corner, and being lazy meant you, your family, and your community would suffer and die, you would mature faster. Our society’s highest values are pleasure and fun.

      Another problem is we don’t really have communities anymore in the sense where everyone knows their neighbors.

      I had a hard time finding a lady like woman when I was in college. They’d drink heavily, smoke cigars, swear, tell crude jokes, want to travel the world, and so on. I tried being a good man, a disciplined, and they thought I was boring. After college, I tried some PUA techniques of being kind of rude and super aggressive and it actually worked more than once, but that’s not me and I don’t want a woman who only responds to that. I found it depressing that this approach worked, but being the gentleman didn’t.

      At this point, I feel like our entire society just needs to collapse in order for us to move forward. Some of the growing resistance to our degenerate times I see online gives me hope of another option, but I definitely think it would take hard times to wake most people up out of their pleasure obsessed worlds. We’re all poisoned by the pollution around us, but some can see the truth through the fog.

      1. Roosh November 26, 2018 at 12:17 pm

        In my book Game, I explain how game is a scavenger strategy that can be applied in declining societies. The society is healthy when game doesn’t work like it does now.

      2. Count Foy November 27, 2018 at 12:32 pm

        Exactly, game is just a symptom of the current times, and just a tool to help woke men navigate the chaos. The ideal scenario is living in a society where game does not work and not needed.

      3. Lysander November 27, 2018 at 7:20 pm

        A society is healthy when fertile women literally cannot leave home without being accompanied by a male or older female relative.

        Case in point: @abigail92 seems to genuinely believe that her only chance to interact with men is at a degenerate night club. Such a creature should never be allowed to leave home unaccompanied and should only speak when spoken to. The essence of her existence should be strictly confined to cum receptacle and baby maker.

      4. Arturo Van de Lay November 28, 2018 at 4:50 pm

        Exactly – she can’t even conceive of the idea of meeting good high-quality men in environments other than bars and nightclubs. That shows how far today’s women have fallen. The things they would need to do in order to attract quality men are completely outside of their narcissistic little imaginations. We will see a return to arranged marriages. Women cannot handle any of the responsibility they have been granted.

      5. King December 4, 2018 at 3:06 pm

        Your mother should have swallowed.

      6. Pol Pot December 10, 2018 at 5:18 pm

        nice meme faggot

      7. Pol Pot December 10, 2018 at 5:18 pm

        directed @ King

      8. Anti-Gnostic December 5, 2018 at 9:22 am

        “Such a creature should never be allowed to leave home unaccompanied and should only speak when spoken to.”

        Exactly why you pollute the PUA blogs because you spew such nonsense.

        “The essence of her existence should be strictly confined to cum receptacle and baby maker.”

        Bitter, are we not.

      9. Jeff Jenkins November 30, 2018 at 10:38 pm

        Not so sure; I think general culture and proportion of fit women feeds into it as well. I’m reading a WW2 memoir and the sailors in the story when on leave in L.A. deal with much of the same nonsense and game issues as we do, if only at a lesser level and in the context of strong male roles.

        When I first became aware of game in 2005, my first inclinaiton was to draw parallels with the lack of fit women in the U.S. vis-a-vis overseas.

        What I didn’t see happening was the removing of the bottleneck of male thirst expression and social media. Women, and in the U.S. I don’t think women are really that intersted in sex–another supply problem, are no longer shielded from thirsty men.

        Taking this argument further, I am shocked that these instagram whores are so successful. Women have been trying to get you to pay for their photos or have had social media for a long time, e.g. Craig’s List scams in the late 1990s. What we could be seeing is the expansion of social media’s reach into the teaming frustrated chumps in the Third World. No American man would ever pay for an Instagram photo…

      10. Mich December 3, 2018 at 1:32 pm

        We need the New York Times, Huffington Post, Guardian, CNN, MSNBC, and the rest of the hyper-crafty liars team at least as long as there are people with aspirations like yours.
        They are quite a few degrees better (and they’ll keep winning over your kind).

        A reader who agrees with 80% of what Roosh writes

      11. Anti-Gnostic December 5, 2018 at 9:21 am

        “Then they should be married around 18 or so and begin having a family.”

        No, men and women can marry when they want.

        “Another problem is we don’t really have communities anymore in the sense where everyone knows their neighbors.”

        No, there are a number of communities which remain close.

        “I had a hard time finding a lady like woman when I was in college. They’d drink heavily, smoke cigars, swear, tell crude jokes, want to travel the world, and so on.”

        Perhaps you were being way too picky, or gave a creepy vibe.

        “At this point, I feel like our entire society just needs to collapse in order for us to move forward.”

        That would be idiotic.

        “The society is healthy when game doesn’t work like it does now.”

        LOL, no, “Game” is the means by which “men” try to justify their harpooning. They are degenerates.

      12. Jane February 17, 2019 at 1:04 pm

        I’ve listened to several audiobook novels set in the conditions you dscribe. It required keeping at least the girls in total ignorance of sex, and I do mean total ignorance. There was no mass communication. The reading of novels was discouraged.

        Also, the period to which I prefer was just after the universal practice of arranged marriages. The adults had decided to give the young ones some choice in the matter.

        After some of my failures, I’ve wished that I’d had some family assistance in finding someone suitable, but I wanted to leave that area ASAP.

        It seems that both the arranged marriages of India and professional matchmakers are more successful methods, but then, I’m an old lady, lol

    2. Alexander J.A Cortes The Joo November 26, 2018 at 12:32 pm

      HAHAHAHAHAHAH! Poor incels. Your guys know that the war is over right? Leave those hard working sex workers alone! You all look like a bunch of losers by talking all the time about this nonsense!

      Your guys might be able to report as many thots as you want to the IRS. But it wont change the fact that you’re all a bunch of sad men that cant get a girlfriend. Because they can see through your fake tough guy pose!


      1. Alphabet Man November 26, 2018 at 6:13 pm

        I saw your pictures on Twitter and your sad eyes. You are not really a catch, not quite in a position of telling others “they can’t get a girlfriend”. Keep championing for the camwhores, maybe you’ll make someday little camwhore babies with one.

      2. denis the man December 10, 2018 at 4:28 am


    3. Roosh November 26, 2018 at 12:58 pm

      Are men committing to those party girls? Marrying them? What you’re seeing is men pursuing those women for primarily sex. Unfortunately, 99% of men will only see you in sexual terms. I will talk about this in my book for women. It should be out in late January.

      1. Haha November 26, 2018 at 1:48 pm

        No Rooshv, they’re not. The top 5% of alpha males that the whores are begging for commitment won’t commit while the 95% of thirsty guys spend 24/7 wondering “how can I get me a big boob/butt bad bitch like that?”

        The woman you used in this example is incapable of getting a man she thinks she’s entitled to e.g. professional athletes, famous musicians, movie stars, etc. Look at the guy Adriana Lima finally ended up with, an unattractive oafish dork. Women really don’t have any advantages at all and men still hold all the cards. Especially as they get older which is what this big ass centaur thot is experiencing. This route she’s on is a dead end for her. At least she could have gotten a rich husband and some kids out of her looks while she had the chance, now she’s damaged 30+ yr old used goods heading for dog mommism.

      2. Bill Ferrell December 5, 2018 at 5:06 am

        Part and parcel of living in a fallen world. Ma’am serves God. Woman serves man. It’s inescapable while we are here.

      3. Bill Ferrell December 5, 2018 at 5:07 am

        ma’am = man

      4. abigail92 November 26, 2018 at 4:23 pm

        I haven’t heard of them being committed to these women so you have a good point, though they do get their attention. I will be looking forward to your book!

      5. Stephanie November 27, 2018 at 11:36 am

        Thank you for doing this – we can really benefit from your insight, even if some of us refuse to see the downsides of party/social media-driven culture.

      6. reddbehrens December 3, 2018 at 4:32 pm

        You are correct. And how many Instagram models over 40 do you see? None.
        I’ve noticed many of the young ones selling nude photos and videos. The ones approaching 30 will have a business as a personal trainer or selling health supplements, or they have a fashion line.
        The majority of the content these models put out is photos of them training at the gym, modeling, going out partying with friends and family, and traveling. A very shallow life.

    4. Haha November 26, 2018 at 1:15 pm

      You’re right darling, these men who insist they “want a good girl” are full of shit. They’re just like all the whores who claim they want a nice guy lol.

      They only want women who are as fake as humanly possible. Fake boobs, fake noses, fakes asses, fake tan, and piles of makeup. Those are the ones they chase, thirst after, and jerk off to day and night while paying lip service “they just want a decent girl they can take home to they muvva.”

      They’re all liars.

      1. Roosh November 26, 2018 at 1:51 pm

        Not necessarily. Until a man finds his “good girl”, he will still pursue sluts to achieve sex. Men can compartmentalize women (e.g. good girls vs bad girls), just like how men compartmentalize men (e.g. beta male vs alpha male).

      2. NatSoc November 26, 2018 at 2:14 pm

        that’s false. I’m a white male with very high SMV (determined by IRL interest and female reactions). I have never pursued any female that presents as promiscuous and easy because what I desire is a wife (exclusive to me, ie a virgin)

        that’s what you misunderstand. We don’t talk or brag about it but it’s evident by the amount of women (even supposedly high value ones) who constantly mention being rejected by the one guy they are into. Those guys are the types like me. I treat them as well as I would treat my potential wife (even if it’s only for one date).

        I’ve only had 1 sexual partner even though I’ve had 12 exclusive relationships with very physically attractive women, dated over 20 and lost track of how many grabbed at my erections etc. (apology for the lewdness).

        I only show interest in women for as long as they have a potential to be my wife. Some men reach a certain mindset that transcends the base desires or expected reactions. I have built and invested too much in my character and personality to have it be altered by the fleeting whims of others, be they women, men or society in general.

      3. Haha November 26, 2018 at 2:28 pm

        I think you’re what you’re referring to is in Chads in general. Sure there are the occasional Chads that like to stack women but from personal experience I know really hot white men are super, super picky like you are. That’s just how they are and it’s not just some moral thing as it is more of an instinctual thing—you can be as picky as you want because you’re at the top.

        Luckily I never experienced being dumped by alpha white men and I’ve dated several. But I can see how it messes women up for the rest of their lives lol.

      4. NatSoc November 26, 2018 at 2:59 pm

        I don’t consider myself Chad and neither would most (only had sexual relations with a virgin girl that rejected marriage because I wasn’t willing to convert to Christianity, I’m agnostic). Yes I see the hypocrisy of a Christian girl having premarital sex then suggesting I should convert before we get married.

        The point people don’t seem to want to accept is that men want exclusivity above every other trait. I’m not “picky” at all. I know what I want and what I built/rejected to achieve that desire. We didn’t wake up one day, look in the mirror and said “hey, I’m hot, now I want trait x y z from girls”.

        I built myself through rejection of traits and behavior more than conquest. There are times where standing your ground while everyone around you is driven by societal and biological forces more of a gain than proceeding forward in easy times. To better understand guys like us, read about the ENTJ personality types.

        You’re also wrong about leaving exs/women devastated or worse off emotionally/psychologically. Most of my exs got married to the next guy after me. I try to be an example of what they should continue to desire from men. I know by setting higher standards, women will then come to desire and require from future men.

      5. Pol Pot December 10, 2018 at 5:20 pm

        ENTP here. very few women are like us. why?

      6. Max November 26, 2018 at 7:17 pm

        Ya that’s probably a fake story, if it’s not, you must be low test or are so high on the validation of feeling higher status than other girls.

      7. NatSoc November 26, 2018 at 8:58 pm

        I assume you’re referring to my post. You created a false dichotomy between only two possibilities neither of which could be true if you were to accept anything I posted as accurate. If I were “low t” why would women be attracted to me (prior to any financial status) and why would I have pursued relationships? If I were only rejecting women to gain validation then wouldn’t I have claimed to have had sexual relations with more than one?!

        There is a level of narcissism at play but only from the perspective of *what I perceive my value to originate from. I don’t get validation from being with or rejecting women. If I had a choice I would prefer to have met and married my wife before anyone else I could have been with. My confidence (narcissism) derives from my personal achievements no one had any role in. How could you become someone you desire to be and not have a degree of self validation.

      8. Poosyless November 27, 2018 at 5:57 am

        It is unnatural to have a dozen non-sexual relationships. It is natural for a man to pursue women sexually, including those women whom he is not planning to marry. Your elevated morals scores no points in their eyes. Beware: When you finally find a wifey, she will cheat you behind your back.

      9. abigail92 November 26, 2018 at 4:26 pm

        Lol exactly. There’s a reason why women a lot of women are fake, it’s because there’s a demand for it. Men respond to plastic women

      10. NatSoc November 26, 2018 at 4:51 pm

        that’s inaccurate and clearly you’re out of your intellectual league.

        first of all porn is a financial net loss market and one has to question why something supposedly in such high demand is free. It is pushed and supplied by wealthy jews (primarily) specifically* to have the detrimental effects it has on a society they directly stand to prosper from.. it’s more profitable to lose a few million on the porn market and profit billions off the destruction it causes (medication, consumerism etc)

        don’t act like there is such a thing as free markets or supply and demand when every resource is controlled by a small rootless international clique.

        secondly what you interpret as demand for fake women comes from the fact the men who are showing interest (though few in gross number) are NOT exclusively attached to one fake female. They respond to every fake female which creates the illusion of a larger scale. a group a few thousand men responding to a few thousand camwhores is not accurate.

        the fact men in exclusive relationships don’t respond to either good women or fake women is the reason you get the false impression of “demand” by people who are the only ones in a position to supply it ie single/shitty men.

      11. abigail92 November 26, 2018 at 5:01 pm

        Fair enough

      12. Arnold V November 26, 2018 at 10:20 pm

        Porn is a weapon.

      13. Neo November 27, 2018 at 2:20 pm

        and women respond to real men ???

    5. NatSoc November 26, 2018 at 1:46 pm

      I notice how these “good” women don’t take their own advice. When men ask you where they can meet a good woman I always hear other women suggest church and wholesome hobbies. So Abigail, why are you fucking around with tinder, “dating” sites and clubs?! Why aren’t you searching for good men where your type tell good men to be and look?!

      You’re also likely looking for men in an age category that is not interested in your age category. At 26, you’re the type guys in their late 30s to 40s are still going to settle on. 25-35 y/o males with status understand most “good” women 26+ are already married. The societal pressures that prevents men from getting married younger have little to no affect on women. You could have been happily married at 18 had your dad been a proper father and screened/selected you 3 or 4 suitors to pick from.

      What’s so disgusting about your type is that you are selfish. You haven’t informed a single 15-18 girl about this reality and never will. You’d rather act naive knowing the lack of high quality available women only improves your situation.

      this was my first visit to this site/post. don’t place implied views on them or me.

      1. abigail92 November 26, 2018 at 4:32 pm

        I didn’t say that I use tinder or go to clubs but that’s what women are doing today because there aren’t any other options. I’ve been to church and it was full of the fake, two-faced and arrogant people just as you would find them anywhere else. You also do not know my personal life so please do not presume things about me or my character.

      2. NatSoc November 26, 2018 at 5:49 pm

        my comment was in a more general sense about the suggestions women make to men on where to meet “good” women. Is it a true statement that women often suggest church and hobbies as those places? yes

        maybe if good women were where they claimed they’d be for more than a brief moment you’d meet those guys you claim to desire. Maybe if you* had some wholesome hobbies you could be available in those places where wholesome males would find you.

        If you felt attacked on a personal level it’s because *you gave significance to a random stranger who has no ability to know you personally outside off what you state or imply. I don’t troll or “attack” especially people on a personal level.

        so you’re saying there aren’t “any other options for good women to find good men” outside of clubs and tinder?! If men are shit regardless of where you look then why did you end up reverting back to places you already knew there weren’t any good men (“dating” sites and clubs)?! come on, Abigail, you’re trying to have your cake and eat it to. Now you claim you’re nowhere near those places and* not where other women rightfully suggest to be (wholesome places) but claim you’re getting rejected?! by who if you’re nowhere to be found?

        If I misjudged your character as being selfish, please correct me, did you ever suggest and educate younger girls of the difficulties women encounter in the dating market (especially as they age and gain sexual partners)? do you plan to educate and influence teen girls?

        It’s telling that most men try to influence younger males (in their teens) about what makes a good man and what traits to desire in a wife/partner (good woman).. yet I can’t seem to recall even one woman in her 20s/30s trying to influence teen girls on the qualities of a good man and what a makes a good wife.

        something is not adding up here Abigail, unless your only concern is for your individual situation. While I don’t get involved in the lives of married/partnered people, I do try to influence young males in a positive sense. we have a fundamentally different understanding of society, the more good men that I help influence/create (in my own small way) creates a better society for my future daughters to live and build a life in.

      3. abigail92 November 26, 2018 at 9:19 pm

        Once again, Where did I say that I use tinder/dating sites? I was talking about generalities. I also didn’t say men are shit even outside those places. I was talking about my own experience. There are good men but they are hard to find. Yes I actually have educated younger women.

      4. Eswesh November 26, 2018 at 9:39 pm

        Abigail There is no reason for people to get married today anyway. I wouldn’t worry about it if I were you.

      5. abigail92 November 26, 2018 at 9:46 pm

        I have my reasons to get married, though being 26 is already too late in the eyes of a quality mate. I guess marriage for me wasn’t meant to be after all.

      6. NatSoc November 26, 2018 at 10:38 pm

        >though being 26 is already too late in the eyes of a quality mate.
        oh come on, even though I did say earlier it’s not an age group where good men *focus on it’s definitely not too old by any measure, should you meet the right man. The main reason we don’t focus on 30+ y/o is because of lower quantity of available women not an automatic assumption of quality. If I met a 26 y/o woman who led a wholesome life I wouldn’t have any hesitation or see her as less than (someone younger). You have a track record of good decisions in life men will appreciate. A younger girl (unproven) is a bigger gamble that we also take into consideration.

        Marriage to a quality mate will always be source of every significant joy and fulfillment in life.

      7. Eswesh November 26, 2018 at 10:55 pm

        If she is 26 and single then men will look past her because all of the good women over 25 are already married. As you previously stated. Abigail can find happiness and fulfilment in life on her own and I think that’s what most people ought to do. She should be content on her own. I’ve seen more unhappy marriages than joyful ones.

      8. Shek November 27, 2018 at 2:23 am

        That’s exactly what I was thinking. If what Abigail is saying is true that she’s such a natural beauty and a good woman, she would’ve found someone by now. There’s probably a reason why she hasn’t found someone at 26…

      9. Shek November 27, 2018 at 8:33 pm

        NatSoc please stop lying to Abi. It’s funny that you try to give these women hope but you know nothing about them. They are probably not even pretty. No woman above her age is marriage-worthy. You know that I know that and all of the quality men know this. She is FINISHED. Judging from the fact that she hasn’t posted in a while I’m guessing she left this website. Maybe if she was 18 we could’ve helped her, but she is too damaged now.

      10. NatSoc November 27, 2018 at 9:15 pm

        firstly don’t take my response to you as any sort of significant personal event. You neither stimulate interest nor add substance to a topic. But alas you do serve a purpose so I shall use your blandness to leave a mark for others to see.

        [on the topic of anonymity and “not knowing anything about people”]
        The majority of females are much more likely to be sincere and open specifically when anonymous. You know absolutely nothing about human psychology in particular to women. Anonymity is like a personal diary to women. They can finally open up without fear of social stigma.

        “They are probably not even pretty.”
        I do believe they are beautiful specifically because they are radiated by their sincerity and vulnerability (the good kind which can become their strength once cultivated by the right man). secondary to this, their appearance is completely irrelevant to the much of what they are expressing.

        “No woman above her age is marriage-worthy.”.. “she’s finished”
        You’re a literal nobody “shek” and you know it. I would bet my entire net worth (even as a non gambler) that Abigail and Renaki will not only be married within 5 years, but it will be to a man who will satisfy them completely (emotionally etc).

        “she is too damaged now.”
        The fact you claim to know nothing about her while making such statements, tells me you’re psychologically damaged. I’ve never reminded or warned women that I truly believed to be “too damaged” because only a psychopath takes pleasure in watching someone suffer needlessly. Fortunately for Abigail and others like her, she’s going to find a man who will value her while lames like you will never recover, not in any future society nor circumstance.

      11. Shek November 27, 2018 at 9:42 pm

        NatSoc, women live life on easy mode. You didn’t address my point. The fact that a woman is still single after 25 is more of a problem on her part than a mans part. These women come to a male space they should expect to be put in their place. Haha yeah I’m sure any beta male would marry them in 5 years. No alpha wants used goods. Abi realised that we called her out and has now fucked off.

      12. Kitty Tantrum November 28, 2018 at 12:37 am


        Easy mode is for women who are willing to monetize their beauty. Not all women are willing to do this. I work a physically demanding skilled manual labor type job where I work mostly alone. My income has nothing to do with my appearance or even interaction with people, it’s 100% efficiency and quality of production. I have job security because I am darned good at what I do. But unsurprisingly, I’m quite poor. I make it work by doing nearly everything myself the hard way and foregoing the vast majority of luxuries and niceties that most people consider necessary. I am able to support myself and my children on my income alone, and I homeschool them. My life is plenty hard and always has been because I have absolutely never been willing to compromise on my principles for money. Just because YOU have chosen to fill YOUR field of vision with whores does not mean all women are like that. Sorry to burst your bubble, but there are lots of women out there who defy the stereotypes you’ve built to fill the space between your ears.

        I’m shaking my head at MYSELF a little bit here for even dignifying your drivel with a response, but I like to give people the benefit of the doubt. So I’m assuming you’re young and inexperienced and not just stupid. You write like someone who has read a lot of things and lived through few. You write like you’re giving a short-essay answer to a question on an exam, regurgitating as many of the highlights as you can recall. You write like someone who has no intimate understanding of what is actually wrong with our culture and why gender relations are breaking down. Frankly, you’re kind of just being belligerent and whiny.

        And you’re not putting any woman in her place by pecking up to her and challenging her socially as though you were a subordinate hen. You’ll never have mastery over any woman if you position yourself in the pecking order. lollerskates and roflcopters.

        (tl;dr version: REEEEEEEEEEE)

      13. Jo December 2, 2018 at 1:53 am

        @guest_181004 Do you mind if I ask your age? I assume you have an age limit (at least an upper) – genuinely curious what it is.

      14. Kitty Tantrum November 27, 2018 at 4:41 am

        I’m going to leave this one last comment and then excuse myself before people start accusing me of being autistic. 😀

        Ladies: for what it’s worth, I’ll be 33 next year. Divorced. Two children. A little overweight. My fiancé is a bit older than me, but he’s big and strong and healthy and manly and handsome and kind and thoughtful and funny and great with my kids AND amazing in bed. And a whole bunch of other things I don’t want to embarass myself by waxing poetic about.

        26 isn’t too old. Even 40 really isn’t too old to find a quality mate. I frankly do not believe it is a woman’s age that works against her in the selection and securing of a good mate. There are quality single men out there of all ages and walks of life, and a good man *who gets to know you* and is actually a good potential match for you will not disqualify you based on having reached some arbitrary age cutoff – though you may have to accept that you’ll attract more older men than attractive men your own age.

        This is why social circle is important. Stay away from dating apps, bars, and every single other place where anything near a majority of people are sniffing around for sex. Don’t put yourself in front of men who are looking to make a snap judgment. Get to know people without sex or romance on the table. If *I* can meet a good man through people I know, anybody can. No excuses.

        Assuming for the sake of the argument that you already possess the basic qualities of a good wife, and at least a basic desire to please your man, and assuming you don’t have unreasonably high standards, I think the biggest thing that will end up working against you, AT ANY AGE, is if you allow your experiences to make you bitter – or worse, closed off to the possibility of love entirely.

        I do have some bitterness in me. How could I NOT? My ex-husband was awful to me and I’m stuck dealing with him and being NICE to him for the rest of my life because we have children together and I want them to have a good relationship with their dad.

        Perhaps the most important thing I do to keep the bitterness in check is to work on forgiving the man who hurt me – every. single. day. I don’t have any religious affiliation and I’m no Bible thumper, but I believe in the power of forgiveness in the way that Christ taught that we should forgive each other. It keeps the heart softer.

        The other thing is that I don’t give the man I love any of that bitterness. I give him all of my sweetness instead. And if I fail to do that, I apologize quickly. I try to do this not ONLY with my fiancé, but for my father, my brothers, and other men who are part of my daily life as well.

        I recommend both of these practices to ALL WOMEN. Try to remember that whether you’re talking to a man you might want to marry or a man you might want to toss into a tank of hungry piranhas, there’s a very good chance that he’s been hurt just as badly as you have at some point, if not worse. Choose compassion over self-indulgence in your own negativity.

        Is it always easy? No. But I guarantee it takes me a lot less time and effort to filter the bitterness out of my personal interactions with men than it does for that instagram whore up there to do her hair and makeup. And I daresay my efforts have produced better results.

        It wasn’t by some stroke of luck that my fiancé asked me to marry him. I’ve worked hard my whole life to be the kind of woman a man like that wants to marry – and to REMAIN that kind of woman, to the best of my capacity, in spite of failure and heartache and loneliness.

        Honestly, before leaving my ex-husband I worried that no good man would ever want me because I was “old” (lol 27) and he’d dragged me into swinging and all sorts of other degeneracy (believe it or not, there are apparently men out there who like turning virgin housewives into whores). And I’m sure there are men out there who would disqualify me for that. But lots of them would disqualify me for having been divorced and/or having children regardless. Of the ones who wouldn’t, there are plenty of good men who don’t care. There are also men who would look at my history and commend me for having been so dutifully accommodating of my husband up until the day I left him. You just never know. Just because there are a bunch of cocky players on the internet who say they won’t settle for anything less than an 18-year-old virgin 9/10 with no history of divorce anywhere in her known family tree in the last three generations – doesn’t mean most men have those standards.

        I like to think that most reasonably intelligent men who get to know a woman over a period of time WITHOUT sex on the table (in other words, with a reasonably clear head) will be able to discern from her behavior whether she’s of the sort and quality he’s looking for.

        Maybe I’m spoiled rotten for having had more good men in my life than bad (even the disappointing ones were usually just dumb), but I really think there are too many different people and too many different perspectives to rule out the possibility of finding someone who is a suitable match for you based on any single facet of who you are. Whether it’s age, or the fact that you’re not a perfect hot virgin, or you’re divorced or you have kids or whatever – if you’re a good woman, there is most likely a good man out there for you.

        What does NOT exist for every woman, or dare I say ANY woman, is a good man who will give you an easy life. Easy life is not the stuff of goodness. I’m going to quit my job when I get married, but you’d better believe I’m going to be working for my husband, and we are going to have to live rather frugally for a while. Good men (and women) are hard to keep and families are hard work to build, but there is no hardship more joyful. If life is easy, you’re doing something wrong.

        I can’t say you won’t make mistakes and get your heart smushed around a little bit first, but if you really want it, if you’re willing to work for it, if you’re willing to have reasonable expectations of what “it” entails, I believe you can have it.

        But I don’t know anything about anything.

      15. Neo November 27, 2018 at 2:37 pm

        Fatalism is not part of this thread and a discussion all unto itself. You can still get married at 75 (probably how long it will be for your perfect man to come along)

      16. forest sprite December 30, 2018 at 1:38 pm

        just give up on marriage and be a single mom. youll have guys trying to bang you for a long time but commitment is harder to find. take what you can get and be happy with it or youll be completely alone.

      17. NatSoc November 26, 2018 at 10:10 pm

        In that case I stand corrected and my assumptions were based on filling in the details as a presupposition to gain more knowledge of what you were saying.

        I apologize for my previous statements and condescension towards you which holds no weight given the full context of your life/experience. While it’s regrettable I still hope you understand I too was frustrated, by fake naive games some* women play.

        You should also understand I’ve seen a lot of anecdotal cases of women saying they are looking for good men while dating, keeping a throve of dick pics and chatting up randoms on SC/Tinder/soc

        >yes I have educated younger women
        And I thank you for it and believe it because recent data does show teens having fewer partners and rejecting degeneracy.

        Have a pleasant rest of your week and I was humbled a bit by our conversation. Thank you for engaging me even when I was a presumptive ass.

      18. Neo November 27, 2018 at 2:34 pm

        Abigail is correct. There are good men and they are hard to find. The perfect men are few and far in between. The perfect man has choices of women he can choose from and is not concerned on where and when he will meet his next conquest. This offers him lots of power which women have given him. Women only date 5% of the male population. EFF the other 95% – right Abi. If he’s got a speck of dust on his shoe, 1 hair out of place or says the word “lets” (as in asking permission) instead of shall (indicating alphaness) he’s thrown to the dogs – ousted as the imperfect man.

        As long as we have regular guys, we will have lonely women like Abi. Roosh and people like him try to build better men so women wouldn’t be so lonely. Roosh is the savior for all women.

      19. Stephanie November 27, 2018 at 11:39 am

        It’s possible to meet marriage-oriented men online. Most will not be on Tinder, which is notorious for its one-night stand oriented approach. When in doubt, look for platforms that rely on a combination of pictures and text – a lot better for vetting. Obviously there is a certain charm to meeting in person that is tough to replicate, but with church attendance down among young people, it’s not easy to find a spouse in that capacity.

      20. Walter Kronkite November 29, 2018 at 9:20 pm

        The only platforms you should be worrying about are the ones that go nicely with your bell bottoms, Stephanie.

      21. Shek November 27, 2018 at 4:18 am

        What do you expect from a dumb bitch like her. If she was good woman she would’ve been married by now. Could’ve had a family by now but rejected all the good men because she wanted a Chad. 26 means she is FINISHED.

      22. Neo November 27, 2018 at 2:40 pm

        Stop. She will have a perfect man – for a few days or a few weeks if lucky. Can we get a definition of a good women ?

    6. Renaki November 26, 2018 at 2:12 pm

      I know what you mean Abigail. I always felt ignored during my twenties, too. I didn’t sleep with men around in those days. In fact I lost my virginity at 34, only to be dumped 4 years later. Now I’m 40 with no man and i don’t know what I’ve done wrong. And I didn’t pursue a career either, then I would at least understand it. I worked, yes, but nowadays, as you say, women have to that …

      1. NatSoc November 26, 2018 at 2:30 pm

        Renaki, I’m genuinely sympathetic about your situation. This is unfortunately a one in 6 million likelihood situation and not your fault (primarily). It’s the duty of fathers to at the very least find and suggest a good suitor for their daughter as soon as 18 (when life choices have very lasting impact).

        I sincerely respect that you remained a virgin during that time. There is no reason why you shouldn’t be able to find a husband given your very high standards you’ve lived by. I do think you should be proud of it and mention it in context with what you desire (husband etc) to the next love interest. Good men see this as a virtue not a lack.

      2. Renaki November 26, 2018 at 10:59 pm

        Dear NatScot, dear Abigail,

        Thank you for your nice words of encouragement, but I have to admit I’m loosing hope. Let’s face it, how are the odds that I will find a decent good let me call it ‘high quality’ man after 40, when I “hit some wall”, therefore having an SMV way below zero and becoming instantly undesirable, while men are laughing at me. Telling me I deserve that for have been “wasting my prime spinning the cock carousel” (which I haven’t) and should deem myself lucky if some 70+ guy looking for a private nurse would give me a try. And don’t I dare thinking I would be “entitled to deserve someone better”. Yes, I am exaggerate, I know, but isn’t this what will happen ? Perhaps I’m too pessimistic right now, but I am unhappy, I know that. I never wanted this.

      3. NatSoc November 26, 2018 at 11:49 pm

        First and foremost *never* get your value and self worth from another human being. It’s impossible for anyone to know you more than yourself and in turn, why would you take the word of someone you can never know, as well as yourself.

        Having said that, it’s important to recognize yourself immediately when you are the subject of the conversation. What I mean by that is to gain the ability to recognize details which are true and false. A lot of lies are coated in truths. Don’t take anything anyone says whole, especially about you. Gain the ability to immediately reject emotions and loaded loads/criticisms which you know are false. It’s something you can and must gain through actually doing it (rejecting falsehoods) by honest *self* assessment and acceptance.

        Never argue with men online, it’s impossible to win not because you lack intelligence or a capacity to present your argument.. but because your strength as a female in conversations is lost when engaging men on their level (which arguments devolve into).

        It’s important to take long periods of time off the internet and especially from sources that are emotionally stimulating (men arguing about women and women arguing about men, politics, social topic drama etc). It’s not something we evolved to deal with (so much sensory information)

        What men say about desires free of brain stimulants (dopamine etc) is rarely accurate to what they do* and accept when we are stimulated. Intellectual and emotional stimulus can and often plays a greater role to being open to things we know we desired.

        use what you* have that younger women don’t. Use your ability to stimulate intellectual but more importantly intellectually *honest dialogue from a position of strength. Good men don’t want to talk about sports, sex or work. We want to start a conversation on a random topic, and show how much random knowledge we have kept hidden specifically for that moment lol. Something else we like is reciprocation and confirmation of our thoughts/feelings. Balance challenging our knowledge and then acknowledging that it had some value to you.

        It’s difficult to differentiate between good and opportunistic men. You can tell a good man by how genuinely he discusses a topic especially by not ending it on negative terms or deliberately creating negative emotions in you.

      4. Renaki November 27, 2018 at 5:30 am

        Dear NatSoc,
        Sorry for having misspelled your name. It was nearly 5 in Germany when I wrote these lines. My eyes were sleepy
        I will keep your words in mind during my next encounters with men and try to act accordingly.
        I hope that will do something. These quotes I inserted were not about myself personally but about unmarried women around my age. Sometimes I fear I simply lacked beauty in my youth and now I would lack both beauty and youth. If an unmarried woman is finished at 26, what am I then?
        See, I meet a man last year, with nice eyes, a warm smile and apparently hard working. I would have loved having someone like him to share and build a life with. But he chosed a 24 y/o while I presumably wasn’t even able to compete with 24 years olds when I was 24 myself, obviously. And don’t go after that profile pic. That’s is facetuned actually. I was interested to see much they can alter your features… I’m shocked what they can do with pictures nowadays

      5. NatSoc November 27, 2018 at 12:40 pm

        Good evening, I hope you’re having a nice day so far.
        Don’t worry about those type of things (misspelled name) which is not even my name, it’s just short for a political ideology from Germany interestingly enough. I was born in Europe too but have been in the US for most of my life.

        >if an unmarried woman if finished at 26
        That is completely false. Almost every statement of the sort comes with the many *additional* qualifiers like ..*if* she has a lot of sexual partners, *if* she can’t adapt because she’s been independent for so long, *if* she’s $250,000 in debt. If she’s a lived a life of alcohol and drug use.

        These *if*s would be seen just as disqualifying for a 21 year old woman (more-so since she has those negatives even younger).

        You must also understand there are people and organizations online making statements and posts specifically to psychologically engineer populations. Here is a example of one used by the US to create fake patriotic propaganda

        There is a misconception that we only notice and are motivated by physical appearance when we look at women. When I see someone like the fake insta “model” I have identical thoughts as most of you (insincere, annoyingly insecure, lacking in good partner qualities etc). I didn’t spend more than a few seconds scrolling through her pics in the article. What explains that even though I’ve never seen you, I took the time to reply (and I don’t have any social media presence so it can’t be because I’m accustomed to posting etc). The reason you received significantly more time and emotional investment was because you presented as sincere.

        The circumstances that make life so difficult in today’s society can also be used to build stronger relationships (with the *right person). It’s true that men are making significantly less money today than in the past. So present yourself as an asset (by encouraging him, finding ways to make him feel like you’d reduce his cost of living, ability to cook etc) rather than what he would think is a further financial burden (flaunting expensive consumerist junk etc). Don’t become a victim of men using your kindness while they have other intentions.

        Stay positive, you only have to find and be with one* man. You don’t need to get the approval of millions of people.

      6. Renaki November 27, 2018 at 3:49 pm

        Dear NasCos,

        I know that every media out there tries to manipulate us and therefore control us. So they try to separate men and women. On our own, we are easier to control. And look at Neo how far this has already sunk in…

        He is utterly convinced, I am flawed, wicked and rejected every man out there trying to approach me. (And I sit here not even asked out once or have been asked for my number) Just as many women are utterly convinced they have been suppressed by men over centuries.

        I’m pretty sure Neo isn t the only man thinking that “highly” of me. So my options of finding a decent guy aren’t that high

      7. NatSoc November 27, 2018 at 4:52 pm

        I’m pretty sure Neo isn’t the only man thinking that “highly” of me. So my options of finding a decent guy aren’t that high
        Sweetheart why are you giving any significance to what “neo” has to say. He can’t make a single statement without layering it in sarcasm. Even if he was the most handsome man in the world he’d still be single and bitching because he’s annoying and vacuous.

        yes there are guys like neo (around 15% – 20% of males). When sweet and wholesome women like you give the appearance of significance to bullshit coming from guys like neo then other normal decent men get the impression his words/views of you is equal to guys like neo.

        I’m sure you don’t actually care what neo says but to many normal guys it appears like you are giving his views importance and precedence. The guy is more obsessed with men’s appearances than women are.

        Stay positive by putting known *facts in the proper order of importance, there *are good men looking for women like you, they will find you/engage and when you find the right man he will be very satisfied with you

        start presenting yourself more to people who will receive the information (your desires and that your qualities as a person/personality.)

      8. Renaki November 28, 2018 at 1:48 am

        Dear NatSoc,

        I wish you a very best of evening (I think it must be evening in the US now) and I hope you had a great day.

        No, I don’t care what Neo said, actually. Nevertheless i understand him, him and the other men like him. They are hurt very deeply. I also have to admit that I am frustrated, because I could never convince them their assumptions which are falsely forced them to believe as wrong. I can’t release them from their pain.

        Notice how I could have asked him his very same questions: men respond to normal women??? And do men realise that they are all drooling and obsessing over the same few women??? Because they do. I have seen that.

        The funny thing is even Neo seems not to respond to normal women himself. Here am I confused and vulnerable and what does he do ? He pushes me asside, like as I could say, all the other men did all these years.

        I am very thankful for your insights and I promise, I will act accordingly. Perhaps I’m not such a lost case as I always thought I would be. Good night to you !

      9. Neo December 3, 2018 at 1:08 pm

        OH please cry me a river. I have approached women from riches to rags. From celebrities to celibates. Young women to grandmothers. I have covered enough to offer conclusive statements. My personal emotional state is not part of this thread nor should be considered. Where ever my personal position is does not change the facts.

        You’re waiting for the perfect man. He may or may not come along but he won’t stay long unless you are quite perfect yourself. Are You ?

      10. Renaki December 3, 2018 at 2:07 pm

        Dear Neo,

        Perhaps you are right and it would be easier for me than a guy out there getting casual sex. But that’s not what I wanted.

        Let’s see, I was never asked out, to the movies, to a party, to his place, for a walk, for a coffee, you name it by a man.
        I was never asked for my phone number.
        I never got a man’s number. When you would go through my phone, the only male numbers are family still today.
        I was never separated from my friends, so that he could have some time with him alone.
        I was never accompanied home.
        I was never asked if they could give me a lift.
        The only men talking to me in clubs were these wingmen so their friend could hit on my friend. Then they said bye and I never heard of them again (of course not, they didn’t have my number)

        A friend of mine told me, I would know, that man would like me, it would be so obvious. Then I would say, no man did. No man ever wanted to do anything with me or for me.
        I never even had male friends

        So if you are right and I haven’t seen them, please tell me, what have they done instead? So I could look out for these things because I have always felt ignored. I never had a man in my proximity on a regular basis.

        Please tell me, because I have absolutely no idea.

      11. Renaki December 3, 2018 at 3:30 pm

        You asked if I am perfect. Of course I am not. I always thought I just would be too ugly. Given the option men always go for the prettier girl and I thought I just never have been the prettier girl. So no perfection here.

        Nevertheless always tried to look my best. I worked and work out 3 times a week, took care of my self, dress feminine. I wear mostly dresses and skirts since i am a little girl but not too revealing. I was not brought up that eay. No tattoos, no green hair, not too much weight. I don’t drink (never been drunk and am constantly mocked for it), I don’t smoke or took drugs. I didn’t frequently go clubbing. Only a couple of times for a girls night out and I always went home alone. I never slept around. My notch count: 1. I kissed one man, I touched one man, I had sex with one man (all the same man) and I didn’t cheat on him.

        I can cook, I can bake, I can sew. My house is always clean. I am a good host if I have guests. I don’t have much money, but I have my finances in order. I know how to behave in public, so I wouldn’t embarrass those who are with me. I believe in the polarity of the sexes. Unisex isn t how the world goes.

        I always respected my man, supported him in every way possible and always wanted him to be happy. I always tried to take his point of view. Because this is how a relationship goes: I take care of you. You take care of me. End of story.
        But obviously I have chosen the wrong and a unhealthy man because it really didn’t end nicely. Don’t want to elaborate further.

        I came here to learn, to improve, to see if I might unconsciously fall into one of the categories of women a man should avoid. But I don’t think so. I always tried to be my best and I think I would be a nice girlfriend or wife, apart of my face.

        I’d rather show you a these things but given the distance I have to tell. I don’t like to advertise myself, to over share. If I have, I apologise for that.

      12. NatSoc December 4, 2018 at 4:29 am

        Good morning, I sorry I just noticed your response after all these days. I genuinely appreciate your sweet words and sentiments because they come from such a respectable and lovely woman.

        “Notice how I could have asked him this very same questions:”
        You make a lot of great logical points that guys like neo want to either ignore or counter with strawman arguments about the sexual dynamics, which no one is denying exists *but* it is still meaningless since society makes sex meaningless. (the ease and amount of sexual offers women receive has no significance without commitment from a quality mate).

        I have learned a lot from both you and Abigail. From the dilemma a wholesome woman faces in today’s society (how to attract a good mate while maintaining a respectable appearance in a society that begs for vanity and excess) .. to things like trying to stay positive and continuing to be someone ..whom is ignored when for a millennia you would have been revered and rewarded.

        What really surprised me most about this thread was how many men viciously attacked and continued to complain about lack of “good” women GREAT women!! I’ve never seen such blind resentment where sweet and polite responses are met with the same vitriol as you’d expect to generic insults like “incel” and impotence jokes from obvious low tier women on social media.

        If I could have given you these flowers in real life I would (I know you’ll be adored even more by someone else.. just know that you are adored by me 💗).

      13. BetaMan January 19, 2019 at 6:49 pm

        Your problem may be that you’re too needy. Nothing turns off a man — or woman — more than seeing someone sweat. Don’t worry so much about relationships! Do your work, meet your friends, have fun, pursue your interest. and if you don’t have interests — well, that’s part of the problem.

      14. Neo December 3, 2018 at 1:00 pm

        It amazes me how many people talk without a bit of supportive evidence or definition of what they are saying. To many people living with their eyes closed in this world.

        This is a forum where people express their ideas. The intelligent ones speak from experience. The ignorant ones speak out of their Arsh, lol

      15. Neo December 3, 2018 at 12:54 pm

        My Dear Renaki,

        Over 4,000 women in 8 years have convinced me. In science it takes 1000 times to develop a predictive pattern and become conclusive. I have reached out to 4X that amount.

        Out of 1000 men only 50 will be chosen to be suitable for a mate by women. Can you claim the same ? A man has to approach over 350 women to get sex. How many men do you think you will need to approach for the same ?

        Men have approached you but you just don’t see it because they were not perfect.

      16. NatSoc November 26, 2018 at 11:55 pm

        Hey Renaki, the post starting with “First and foremost *never* ” etc was in response to you. It’s lengthy but contains some information you should expand on yourself with time as it makes more sense.

      17. Neo November 27, 2018 at 2:44 pm

        You decided your fate when you ignored all the regular guys that approached you and waited for Mr. Perfect. You have no one to blame but yourself and whoever you pray to.

      18. Renaki November 27, 2018 at 4:07 pm

        Dear Neo,

        Just one more thing: although I am utterly convinced you would never ever willingly hurt a woman, you just did ! You hurt me and my feelings by calling me a liar, by accusing me of done something wrong. So you just did something that is totally against your nature.

        Nevertheless I won’t hold this against you. I am sure you wouldn’t have done this, if you haven’t been hurt beforehand

      19. Neo December 3, 2018 at 1:15 pm

        That’s the problem – the truth HURTS. It doesn’t always set you free. It isn’t always good. But people don’t want to accept this basic fact of life.

        Hey don’t take it personal. What I do or don’t do is fueled by those around me.

        Yes, I’ve been hurt. So have 99.9% of all people. Its called real life and since it’s normal it has no forbearance on this thread.

      20. Walter Kronkite November 29, 2018 at 9:26 pm

        Hey, you know there’s another way you can look at it, Renaki: you loved and lost (better than to have never loved at all). You got 4 years of sexual intimacy, when some don’t even get 5 minutes in their entire life. Take encouragement that you’re no Eleanor Rigby.

      21. Kotoula December 3, 2018 at 3:43 pm


        Don’t give up hope. I met my 2nd chance when I was 37 and he was 45.

        I married #1 as a virgin at 21, wanting only to be a devoted wife and mom to a large brood. After producing 5 sons, the marriage disloved after 16 years, and I ended up single and feeling hopeless like you at 37.

        Fast forward and I’m 52 now. Married for 10 years to my second chance and we’re about to liquidate and move to Greece to farm olives for our retirement.

        Our 7 sons (between us, none together) are all independent and we are finally free. To leave commie Canada.

        We’ve had blips, but our shared dream of a simpler life has kept us happy and together. Our sex life is still going strong (almost daily) and he’s 60 now…

        He subscribes to none of this theory that says a woman is too old at x age. There are lots of men like him out there. Don’t give up hope. It’s a numbers game. Meet lots and filter for the traits you want. There’s a book called “be your own matchmaker” – google it and see if that helps.

        Good luck,
        A long time Roosh fan

      22. Haha November 26, 2018 at 4:17 pm

        That’s another trend I’ve noticed—men who won’t commit using up a woman’s best and most fertile years and before you know it she’s 40 and can’t find any man that’s worth having around.

        The “incentives” that women have these days are really catastrophic for them e.g. living with men without benefit of marriage or commitment, birth control from puberty to menopause, and women who give sex away so freely having created legions of men who use them in every possible way, sexually, financially, emotionally, etc.

        Seems these so-called “freedoms” have enslaved us. We are not loved, valued or protected by men anymore. We have to fend for ourselves and we are simply not designed for it nor capable of it.

      23. NatSoc November 26, 2018 at 6:14 pm

        you’re absolutely correct. I would suggest women state early on in the relationship (especially before having sexual relations) what the ultimate desire and goal of the relationship is to result in (marriage/family).

        Just as men should have a general timeline and emotional investment to judge the progress of the relationship so should women. There should be a reassessment of the relationship at each milestone. I don’t think women should have sex prior to getting engaged which I think would be a healthy compromise between the sexes.

      24. Haha November 26, 2018 at 7:15 pm

        Agreed. However, just as some of the other young ladies here have mentioned, being a good girl in your twenties is a net negative. Guys don’t want to get married and if you’re beautiful, as many young women in their 20s are, men of all ages don’t take you seriously. They look at you and can’t think of anything but sex and fun as if because nature built you that way and that’s all you’re good for.

        I was curved 5 times in my late teens for being a virgin and wanting something meaningful. Meanwhile all the guys were dating strippers and idolizing party girls and models with fake tits. It simply doesn’t pay to be a good woman anymore. Not sure it really ever did because all the “good women” I’ve ever known got cheated on, their bank accounts drained and were dumped for a drunken recycled whore dude met at a dive bar. 🤷‍♀️

      25. NatSoc November 26, 2018 at 8:02 pm

        >being a good girl in your twenties is a net negative. Guys don’t want to get married and if you’re beautiful, as many young women in their 20s are, men of all ages don’t take you seriously.

        excuse me?! Just when I thought we had an understanding lol.

        Let’s approach this logically. If it’s a “net negative to be a beautiful single female in your 20s” .. then when is it a positive to be a female? is it in your 30s? 40s? when? when are you biologically most desirable/valuable as a single female?

        >Guys don’t want to get married
        you must differentiate between “men” when making broad statements. Good* men want exclusivity (a form of marriage) as early as they reach the capacity to date. Men are having a difficult time *feeling capable of being husband material in the present society due to wage stagnation, cost of living and the breakdown of their perceived provider value (among many other reasons). The good men capable of providing are* looking and willing to marry wholesome young women. You’re conflating what men perceive themselves financially capable of with what men desire. The issue is how to have/create a society where men in their younger years are capable of providing (and feeling as if they are appreciated for providing).

        >I was curved 5 times in my late teens for being a virgin and wanting something meaningful.
        >in my teens, presumably by teen boys and very immature 20 y/os
        and this was a problem because?! Who* was curving you?! it was obviously shitty men which I presume you don’t want to try to “fix”. Yes you’ll get pursued by many men including ones that want to momentarily use you. It’s up to you to reject those men until you find a serious *GOOD* man, of which very few of them will pursue a teen.

        teen girls should be focused on developing personality and character traits to becoming a good mother/wife not dating. Learning what traits makes a good man/husband should be her second focus. Mothers and fathers used to provide a great deal of help with this but obviously are no longer.

        >It simply doesn’t pay to be a good woman anymore.
        once again, ask yourself if being the alternative has positive outcomes at a higher rate.

        I understand the frustration and it’s more difficult in this society to find a suitable partner. Logic is the only way you can make sense of what you should do and be. Be intelligent about who you give yourself to and for how long you give yourself in relation to the progress of your goals.

      26. Haha November 26, 2018 at 9:04 pm


        I think it can be a positive to be an average looking girl 6-7 as opposed to a 9 or 10 in your 20s. Lot of creeps, perverts, horny dudes everywhere you look. If you don’t have a man around to protect you it’s even worse. You’re just a big horrible accident waiting to happen.

        It’s pretty demoralizing when every man thinks he can try to have sex with you simply because you’re physically at your peak. It’s not just your horny college classmates either, it’s your male bosses, the married neighborhood husbands, guys old enough to be your dad, they’re everywhere. It’s copious unwanted attention 99% of the time. I’m thrilled I’m not 21 anymore.

        If I had a choice, being 28 years old was the best time for me. I wasn’t stunning anymore and the guys stopped going crazy, and they also weren’t stupefied by my looks or body. Male companionship was a lot easier and men in that age range were more agreeable and more receptive to commitment.

        I think the average Instagram thot/whore with plastic parts is often the unpopular high school ugly duckling who’s not used to huge amounts of attention from men so they soak it up and become very vain. As for the rest of us who were born with it, it’s not all it’s cracked up to be. In many ways, it actually sucks. No man ever loved me when I was beautiful, they all hated me, if that makes any sense.

      27. NatSoc November 26, 2018 at 9:34 pm

        beautifully stated and I agree with every word (especially your assessment of having your physical appearance being so intimidating that it prevents the minds of males from processing other traits you had wished to share). I’m sorry to hear you never felt loved/appreciated completely during that timeframe.

        I don’t think nature intended for our species to have such easy contact among each other. For most of our existence we rarely interacted with more than a few hundred people. Even more rare would the contact of young beautiful women be with so many lower tier males.

        I’m glad you have experienced proper and meaningful relationships later in life. It’s not that your looks have waned (which is unlikely), more so that you don’t appear vulnerable to as many men.

        Given the rapidity of advancements making human contact so easy men don’t have to demonstrate any ability (physical or otherwise) most women have handled this change well and with grace. I’m thankful and appreciative of the conversation we had today. I sincerely wish you a deserving love and fulfilling life H. take care

      28. Haha November 26, 2018 at 10:07 pm


        Thank you as well! Thank you for listening and I appreciate the knowledge and input. Likewise I wish you and yours all the best. <3

      29. NatSoc November 26, 2018 at 11:03 pm

        looking at how long winded my posts have been I don’t think anyone would think I did much listening lol. You’re very sweet for enduring through so much excess background information and qualifications.

        I’m flattered (in a good way) that you considered our my input knowledge. Enjoyable and valuable conversation is always a two way street. Your intelligence and capacity to stimulate new thoughts in me are the reasons we maintained and increased interest. It seemed like each new bit of information lead to multiple avenues to go down for perspective.

        I’ve had a fairly nihilistic past month (and year) but our discussion and the knowledge going forward that you exist has provided me a greater sense of obligation to our people.

        I’m confident in your happiness and future. I will send you positive energy for as long as I remember (which tends to be infinite for better and worse provided a certain chemical stimulant in my brain is present). ❤

      30. abigail92 November 26, 2018 at 4:37 pm

        It sucks but it’s never too late to find someone. I honestly think it’s all about luck.

      31. Neo November 27, 2018 at 2:46 pm

        Abi – please define luck.

      32. Neo November 27, 2018 at 2:42 pm

        @ Reneki: You ignored the regular guys. The 95%. That’s what you did wrong. You were a cougar in training. You have accomplished your goal. Now reap the benefits.

      33. Renaki November 27, 2018 at 3:16 pm

        Dear Neo,

        Believe it or not : I. DIDN’T. HAVE. A. SINGLE. DATE. DURING. MY. 20’S. Not because I rejected every offer : I. WASN’T. EVEN. ASKED. OUT. ONCE!
        The only men that were approaching me only did this so their friend could hit on my friend. You don’t know how many nights I wondered why I wasn’t even invited to a glass of water and the only man I thought would be genuinely interested in me, told on the day of our 4th anniversary he never loved me, he was only together with me because there was no other woman available and he always intended to dump me the moment he would find a better option. I lost my home that day!

        Why is it so hard for you to believe that? When you say, you were overlooked or rejected, I would never ever even dare calling you a liar. I would believe you.

        When you say men live in the danger of being falsely accused of sexual harassment, I say you are right. You are and this is horrible. I am pretty sure I can’t even possible imagine how hard this must be for you. Because men are not wired that way ! I refuse to believe that any healthy man out there could ever willingly hurt a woman. Men are designed by nature to protect women.

        I see your anger, your frustration, your pain. Because that hurts!

        The media tries to convince women every man out there is plotting how he could best possibly rape them the very moment he says Hello. And the same media tries to convince men every woman wants to exploit him and leave him completely ruined.

        AWALT and THOT and MEETOO and MENARETRASH are the two sides of the same coin. Flipped to divide men and women even further. All things in life go both ways, there is no one way street. When it’s possible that a man can be overlooked by women then it’s possible that a woman can be overlooked by men.

      34. Neo December 3, 2018 at 1:25 pm

        It’s a sad time when men have to rely on guys like Roosh to do something that is the core fabric of our natural existence – procreation.

        As far as you’re personal experience with this one guy, someone would have to hear both sides of the story. But 4 years and he never fell for you??? I call BS on that.

        It’s human nature to develop a bond with people whom you are in proximity with be it your parent, co-worker, lover, neighbor, jail-mate – whoever.

        And yes, there are one way streets. You must not have traveled them.

      35. iamtanmay December 12, 2018 at 1:25 am

        Hey Renaki,

        I have some advice that might be of help to you.

        I understand your pain, and I have female friends in similar situations.

        I grew up in Germany, and of Indian descent. I am 30 now. I am still a virgin, and never had a girlfriend. German girls had no interest in me.

        What helped me in the last two years, is to date other races. Russian girls have treated me really well. I think cross cultural attraction helps even people considered ugly in their own race.

        The same is true for African and Indian men, to German women. I dated a 36 year old german woman, and she was considered ugly by other german guys, and dumped by her longtime partner, like you.

        I found her incredibly sexually attractive. Some of my african friends are also very attracted to German women over 40, and like more heavier and older women. I myself find older and heavier German women sexually attractive, and have tried to date them.

        I think you might be very surprised by how many Indian and African guys would want you.

        The problem is you have to invest the time and energy. Girls don’t like to take the initiative in asking someone, texting etc. It means they miss out on many guys who would want them.

        You also have to actually invest time and energy in meeting such men. Travelling to their events, trying to talk etc. I had to do the same with russian women.

        Also, I left the 36 year old German woman, because she was very shy. It was important for me to have sex with her easily. Her shyness made me uncomfortable “to take advantage of her”.

        I wish it had been easier to have sex, then maybe things would have progressed more.

        Finally, do not let rejection stop you. I have been rejected more than 2000 times in my life (I kept count). I am 30, never had a gf or sex, but I am still trying. It gets better !

    7. Kitty Tantrum November 26, 2018 at 3:21 pm

      Abigail: try putting yourself in front of men who did not grow up on a steady diet of hardcore high-definition pornography. These will be older men, generally 40+. Boys your own age generally have at least a good decade in front of them before they begin to realize how unfulfilling it is to drool over airbrushed fantasies. Sexual imprinting on over-the-top smut has had a devastating impact on the emerging generation of men AND women.

      I understand exactly what you’re saying because I’ve been there. Good men are rare, but don’t lose hope. And don’t think you have to go to clubs or bars to interact with men. I happened across a wonderful man through my tiny social circle in spite of being nearly a complete shut-in at the time, dressing very modestly, no makeup, etc.

      My “ladylike” qualities and traditional/family values are exactly why I get to marry him. He’s no simp, either. He’s more of a “Chad” who got tired after so many years of modern women and modern relationships. I know he’s had “hotter” girlfriends and plenty of conquests in the past, but he says he never wanted a wife until he met me. He’s a few years away from 50 (15 years older than me) – that’s a long time to go through life without having met anyone who inspired those sorts of feelings.

      It’s not just the good women who are struggling to find suitable mates. There are lots of good men out there feeling lonely, hopeless, frustrated, overlooked. I think you have to get OUT of the mainstream “meeting people” venues to find them, because they’ve been there done that and are disenchanted with it.

      I probably never would have met my fiancé if I’d been out clubbing instead of tending to my home and family, or if I’d been attention-whoring on the internet instead of quietly pursuing wholesome hobbies and interests.

      He’s not “well off” but he’s willing to work hard to provide for me AND my two children from my previous marriage, because I have all the domestic skills that make that worth it to him. I didn’t win his heart by being “sexy” – I won his heart by cooking and baking and doing his laundry and making his coffee every morning and just SERVING him with the labors of my hands in the ways that I think a woman ought to serve her man.

      It’s also worth mentioning that we spent 2-3 months getting to know each other bit by bit through general social interaction before he ever made a move. The men who have an eye out for GOOD women, and GODLY women, probably aren’t going to approach in the same way or as quickly as men who just want sex. You kinda have to prove that you’re worthy of serious pursuit, and that doesn’t happen in a surface-level evaluation in a noisy bar or club.

      1. abigail92 November 26, 2018 at 4:38 pm

        Thanks for your comment!

      2. iamtanmay December 12, 2018 at 1:30 am

        Abigail. There is a big market for church going good girls.

        Your type is a church going, religious guy. These are the types who want to set up a family, don’t want to party or drink etc.

        I have guy friends like that, and they married girls like you.

        26 is not too late. There are plenty of older men who want to marry and start a family. 30 to 40 is a good range. Those guys should be settled in the career, and looking for a young wife to have kids with.

        BTW guys in your own age will also be looking for you. Unfortunately, they would just be starting out in their careers, so not really reliable.

        Either way, don’t change ! There are men who want exactly you !

    8. B.A. November 26, 2018 at 4:42 pm

      Sounds like you’re not taking enough initiative.

      Women, in general, still expect men to be the ones to initiate interactions (and pay for everything), even though our feminist-saturated culture says we should defy gender roles. If you’re still expecting men to initiate everything for you, then you get what you get.

      1. abigail92 November 26, 2018 at 4:53 pm

        @B.A – I’m way too shy to initiate anything. I can smile at men and say Hi but that’s the furthest I could go.

      2. NatSoc November 27, 2018 at 12:51 am

        >I’m way too shy to initiate anything.
        That’s cute
        you have to understand a smile and hi has millions of meanings to millions of men. Each man has a different experience associated to those signs (which 99% of the time is just politeness).

        While I often took just prolonged eye contact as a sign of interest and opening (which was always accurate) millions of men have women politely (without any desire for more) smile at them (and get rejected in devastating fashion when they misinterpret it).

        I promise that you’ll have different (in a positive way) results with men you are interested in by just walking up and saying anything other than “hi” .. literally just say “cat” as an intro and I promise it will start off significantly better than any generic greeting.

        What happens in our brains when a lady says a generic greeting is a rush of thoughts with a 2 second countdown. We have to process a million thoughts and select not only a proper response but also try to amplify the intro with either a joke, the next step in a new conversation or neutral reply in case your presence is about something entirely non romantic.

        If you start with an introduction that will give him a better understanding of the situation he will take over and lead. By just saying something so random as “cat” he will know it’s not like the millions of times he heard “hi” and wanted to reply “well?! what’s this about”. He will probably ask you to clarify what you said to which you should just giggle and say “idk, I just thought you’re cute” or something along those lines. A guy worth your time and emotions can make more out of this situation than “hi”.

      3. Neo November 27, 2018 at 2:49 pm

        But the guys you’re smiling at get smiles from many other women. That’s your problem. When will women understand that they are all sharing (I want to say f**cking) the same few men.

      4. iamtanmay December 12, 2018 at 1:33 am

        Abigail. I have to give you some advice.

        Men who might be interested in you, might not make the first move.

        If you really want to have the best chance of finding your partner, you have to get over your fear. Take public speaking classes if you like.

        Its important that you mix with many people, and get into conversations.

        This will give men the opportunity to ask you out.

        Its much more unreasonable to expect most men to approach you cold turkey and ask you out. That’s too big of a hurdle.

        Help them by starting small talk. I guarantee you will get results !

      5. Kitty Tantrum December 12, 2018 at 6:14 pm

        “Feminized man seeks masculinized woman to compensate for his deficits.”

        Not gonna find too many traditionally-minded girls willing to bite on that one.

      6. Kitty Tantrum November 26, 2018 at 5:03 pm

        Absolutely disagree. If you want a traditional man, be a traditional woman.

        My ex-husband was the man who appreciated me for the ways in which modernity had managed to rub off on me. He’s the man who wanted me to be more masculine, which is what you’re suggesting (initiative, leading, provisioning). Surprise surprise, he’s a degenerate and a deviant and an overgrown man-child.

        My fiancé appreciates me for the feminine qualities I’ve nurtured in myself. He is comfortable and confident initiating and leading and paying for everything (note though: because he is leading, HE chooses what he pays for. I don’t ask him to spend money on me, rather he affords me the place he wants me to occupy in his life). This is because he is a MAN who understands what he wants and is willing to work for it – not a boy being led down the path of least resistance.

    9. FaggotInTheKnow November 26, 2018 at 8:02 pm

      Maybe people are lying to you about the beauty part, and there’s nothing wrong with make up and taking care of yourself. Maybe you’re also going for the wrong kinds of men, high status playboy types like sluts because they’re a thrill. Get yourself a man with a steady job and a good family and you’ll be set for life.

    10. Mike Hunter November 26, 2018 at 11:22 pm

      I’m calling BS on you having to go out to nightclubs to meet men. That’s simply not true. Join a church, pick up a hobby the skews heavily male, meet a man though your social circle, join, or hang out around the: law, engineering, medical, computer science, or mathematics department of your local university.

      There are plenty of other smarter options for a woman looking to find a serious husband.

    11. PSM November 27, 2018 at 6:37 am

      That’s due to the isolation of suburbia and the main reason I left to Europe.

    12. Joe November 27, 2018 at 10:51 am

      A few points – a woman doesn’t need to be a housewife to be tastefully feminine and “ladylike” – she can work outside the home and maintain those qualities. She also doesn’t need to be the archetypal submissive woman to be feminine and “ladylike” either. What we men of the manosphere want is less consumeristic and less materialistic women, with man hating attitudes, because we’ve learned that those qualities in a woman lead to both men and women being miserable in their lives.

      Regarding men that are more drawn to the Kardashian clones – I know what you mean but I can assure you there are men out there that can’t stand those women. I’m one of them. I can also assure you that we go out of our way to avoid them, so you won’t find us where those women are. If you are being ignored by men thirsty for the image and whoe ignore substance and real quality, then I suspect you are immersed in the wrong environments. The men you want avoid the environments where the Kardashian clones congregate. Instead, we find places to be where they aren’t. In my case, a comfy living room with other like minded guy friends. When we are out, it’s low key places and more likely to be a campfire circle in someone’s back yard, or a cabin getaway somewhere.

      I also tell my still single guy friends the same thing – the woman you want is probably not online dating because she won’t tolerate sifting through the cess pool of guys that will bombard her with messages. And she’s probably not at the bars and clubs unless she’s out with girl’s night for someone’s birthday, and then she’s gonna on such high guard against “club guys” that you probably won’t make much progress because in that environment, you’re just another guy and background noise to be tuned out. So to meet the woman you want, you gotta find a way to meet her outside of clubs, bars, and online venues.

      I consider myself blessed by God himself to have met my wife, she literally just walked in my front door. I was hosting a church small group meeting, and she joined the group. I avoid glitzy bars and night life, so about the only other way she and I would meet is if we both ended up on the same hiking event or something through other outdoors clubs that we’ve both been involved with occasionally.

    13. Neo November 27, 2018 at 2:14 pm

      because the perfect man you give attention to has other women to choose from that offer the same attention and may be equal to or better value than you. I’m sure many men approach you regularly but you don’t see it bc you’re to concerned about the perfect guy. Open you eyes.

    14. icutrauma11 November 27, 2018 at 2:21 pm

      As long as the #metoo, Believe movement is considered be the first and final judgement to convict a man without evidence or investigation. No man desires for his life to be ruined. It doesn’t matter how beautiful a woman may be or how ladylike a woman may pretend to be. We men view them as liars first, accountable for their decisions…never.

    15. MCG00 November 27, 2018 at 3:53 pm

      @Abigail – You’re 26 having a quandary about selling yourself to a man. It’s so simple. It was your FATHER’S job to sell you to a good man – at least in classical times when sex roles were unadulterated. It was your parent’s and primarily your father’s responsibility to take care of that and to kick start your path as a family woman at least a decade ago. Did your parents instead ‘push’ academia and studies on you a decade ago and tell you that it was for a ‘brighter’ future?? Did they reverberate this and then parrott what so many boomers and x-ers learned: that their daughters SHOULDN’T seek a husband and family first?? Did your parents then explain that a woman needs to be primarily prepared for a career so that if she does inadvertantly form a family, then her ‘bail-out’ route in career work can await her, always tempting her to abandon her nest?

      Many many many Asian parents of the boomer/x-er generation were hard as nails on their daughters and would call them things like ‘worthless’ if they didn’t ace math exams and pursue higher degrees in stem. Of course any careerism has shrunk the reproductive window of Asian females and and the Asians are too meek to resurrect dowry and pre arranged marriage customs – or any custom that isn’t popular and PC in Asian circles. The Asians are becoming herd beasts with a deficit of their intelligent Asian women no longer being steered into career breeding and family/mothering. When your smart females don’t breed early, then your entire culture enters a slow regressive tumble backwards into the cargo hold area of your race’s IQ bellcurve. It STUPIDIFIES the whole nation when you skim the top tier from breeding and force them into sterile careers. Your intelligent females have to be advised better on the true purpose and necessity of their reproductive equipment and the key role that a female’s ‘golden egg’ decade (15-25) plays in the longer term welfare of the whole tribe.

      The same quandary afflicts the anglo/white millennials. How many anglo/white dads in the west are marrying their daughters off to older property owning professional men? The answer is NONE. There may be a handshake or an arranged get together where same age kids meet and bond in church, but where’s the DADDY enforcing purity and negotiating dowry? It’s persecuted for western whites but not for Indians.

      Indian nationals are given a legal holiday being persecuted for arranging marriages in the west – – BUT WHITES GET CRUCIFIED by their own resident feminist radicals if they try to steer their own daughters into family and career breeding for the tribe. So are there Indian resident feminist radicals? Yes there are on western campuses. And they tow the Soros line chanting side by side with sh¡tlib white communists and semites waging activism against white birthrates – but not Indian birthrates.

      It’s just so unfair. Indian girls get set up as teen brides so easily. And the bride’s dad even throws in a dowry like a furniture set, pots and pans and sometimes a plot of land.

      Me, I would do much better for my daughter(s). I would find property owners to marry each of my daughters to and then I would give them work contracts for dowry. I’m so sorry I wasn’t your dad Abigail, and I say this because you sound so sincere. If I were your dad, I would have found you the best white man in the area and given him a good dowry to marry you young. And I’d give him my grandfather’s service rifle and construction equipment to build and defend a good white castle, fortress and family. The boomer/x-er parents really got booby trapped into letting us all down. We have to turn it around. Abigail you still have at least a half row of good egg years remaining. Maybe not a full dozen but you’ve got one rapid shot round remaining in the carnival game so to speak. At 26, I’d squeeze you into my clan as a sisterwife.

    16. RGCamara November 27, 2018 at 7:27 pm

      Women could be housewives, but would require choosing a lower standard of living.

      1. MCG00 November 27, 2018 at 8:53 pm

        ‘HOUSEWIFE’ is an esteemed and noble title. The term ‘housewife’ says it all. She is the envy of every vagabond and lost or used up wretched woman. She has a house! And lesser women only have rags. She answers to her master and she pridefully tends to her brood in THE MASTER’S HOUSE that becomes part of her. And the housewife is the idol of every young pretty noob virgin who yearns to be consort to a big man and to reside in his castle. It’s a female nature thing to be in a house all the time.

        Notice how REAL MEN don’t spend all the time in their own houses? REAL MEN are on the fly, conquering and climbing. Their house is for keeping and housing your women and brood, and the master’s chambers is for the frequent pit stop servicing. For the man, hanging around a house all the time is gay or emasculating. Picture how only a gay butler in a sequined dinner jacket would hang around a house constantly. That’s so WOMANNY. Think about it. If some clown in a gay matador coat answers the door, you can bet he doesn’t own the place. THE REAL MAN treads the world. THE REAL MAN doesn’t become a house mouse within his own castle, even if he built it. He didn’t build it to entrap himself.

        Geeez butlers are sooo gay you know.

        BUT FOR THE WOMAN – ‘housewife’ is the sweetest, most humble calling for a good dedicated breeder woman. She feels most at home in her master’s castle, servicing her master and tit feeding his offspring. It is warm, secure and she’s snug as a bug in a rug.

      2. BetaMan January 19, 2019 at 6:46 pm

        Except that being a full-time housewife isn’t an option for most married women these days. You’re projecting an idealistic ’50s-type marriage onto 2010s reality. Families need two incomes these days. That’s the hard reality.

    17. Jon November 28, 2018 at 12:35 pm

      You are either attractive or you’re not. Yes, some women are slutty hot and others are pretty, but your strange euphemisms of “natural beauty” or “lady like” allude to you being a 6 or 7. The biggest factor in this might be your weight. If you’re fat that’s probably the issue.

      Studies indicate men preferentially select for face for LTR/marriage and put emphasis on the body for STR/one night stands.

      To put it simply, you are either fat, not that pretty, or give poor IOI’s to men so they don’t approach.

    18. thotrailgun November 28, 2018 at 6:00 pm

      rode the cock carousel for too long. everyone sees through it. the age of female lies being gospel will die with the baby boomers.

    19. Jinco November 30, 2018 at 10:01 am

      Guarenteed youre either fat or curvy.

    20. ZZXX November 30, 2018 at 10:38 am

      Men are attracted to women who look good (both face and body) and since you look like total trash that is why men are not into you.

    21. leanstringbean November 30, 2018 at 3:11 pm

      Nah, a man can work and support a wife at home. It just means you have to limit what you spend and what kind of niceties you keep in the home and locale of where you live. You can work, have a family and make a twenty dollars an hour with a woman that prides herself on couponing, bargain hunting, and thrift shopping that’s got a sense of moral values that come from God . I’ve been around a few in the South. They’re still around, although social media is making them less in abundance.

    22. Jon Peter December 3, 2018 at 12:53 pm

      I’m guessing that you and your “ladylike” friends are on the heavy side. Perhaps not by the inflated American standard of “heavy” but certainly by the standards of most men. I don’t know a single man friend who is the slightest bit attracted by an overweight woman.

    23. Mich December 3, 2018 at 1:41 pm

      Supply and demand always have a robust link, as you say.

      That, coupled with the Internet outbreak, would make for a rather more feral relationship scenario.
      And I wouldn’t be objecting against that.
      What I see as grave and toxic is the élite’s social engineering, its use of basically unlimited influence and money to promote, among other things, a society where women hate men (without understanding them) and are culturally programmed to feel they are “valuable” if they do exactly what enhances the élite’s power (like graduating and devoting to career, all of them. I wouldn’t have anything against the % of actually so-inclined women doing that. But what we have here is mass programming and self-harming generalized behaviour).

      Thanks for your mild-mannered reflective comment.

    24. Chris Ho December 3, 2018 at 2:31 pm

      The sort of simpletons who would “drool” over any of the vapid Kartrashians really are not the sort of guys you’d want to know in anh case or who would appreciate your lady-like qualities, fine etiquette or natural beauty. Three commodities that those grotesque charactures are utterly lacking in.

      1. abigail92 December 5, 2018 at 2:56 am


    25. NatSoc December 5, 2018 at 1:37 am

      @abigail92 , take the next step you know you’re capable of and prepared for (contacting me via the email posted anon111000 @ protonmail which I will delete in a few days to get closure and move on). You’ve already taken a much greater emotional step which I will never overlook (publicly hinting and expressing desire). There are a lot of decisions in life when hesitation and prudence is warranted, when it will save you heartache and headaches. This is likely the rare occasion when hesitation may lead to regret and doubt for years to come. I know you’re capable of being in a successful relationship even if the circumstances are difficult and timing inopportune. Trust your heart just once and use your mind after that.

      It’s easier to reject what you begin to know (me) ..then to accept something you no longer have an opportunity to affect (the “what if”s in life)

    26. Anti-Gnostic December 5, 2018 at 9:17 am

      “I know plenty of women like myself and we’ve all been ignored, while men drool over the Kim Kardashian clones.”

      I’m quite certain you haven’t been ignored, it’s just that you are ignoring the “betas”, the ones who are the heavy lifters of civilization.

      1. abigail92 December 5, 2018 at 11:11 am

        @guest_181243 What is a beta?

    27. Nobody December 8, 2018 at 2:48 pm

      Women start being their prettiest and perkiest at 18 and it goes sharply downhill from there.

      At least you haven’t smoked a lot or drank a lot or gotten tatoos or anything. I mean I’m… screwed over now. I really liked the milquetoast girl next door type. Go out to a small bar or maybe a big club together on occasion, also do other things, travel whatever.

      If you have to use heavy makeup to look okay, you don’t look ok. Same with pushup bras and the like.

      Kim K West IS hot for her age though and unlike most proud feminasty bitches willing to get work done etc to try to stave aging. Good for her!

      I’d like you for them if you had a close to 21 year old looking enough body btw 😉

    28. ChristianCool December 16, 2018 at 6:11 am


      That is sad and very true. 🙁 Once the corporations doubled the workforce by moving women from loving homes and families into soul-sucking jobs, they halved the wages.

      Interestingly enough, my late wife and I never had kids because the goal was for me to get ahead enough in my career so she could be a stay-at-home mom. Now, I finally made it, but not married anymore and we never had kids since she passed away and there is ZERO chance I will re-marry and risk losing everything I worked for my whole life.

      Kim Kardashian is one of the most disgusting human beings in this planet, all the way up there on my list along with Hillary Clinton, George Soros, and Obummer. I cannot even get it up when I saw that hoe.

      I like women with natural beauty like my wife. She may not have been super-hot all the time, but she was BEAUTIFUL and that was a huge turn on.

      Stay away from clubs or you will destroy and waste the beauty God has given you. You will become a lonely ugly hag if you allow yourself to go to clubs and be pumped n dumped all over the place. Beauty does not last, it is fleeting and it is a gift for women to secure a good man and have a loving family. That is true happiness, not getting manhandled by countless guys who would not show up at your funeral if you died the next morning.

      Experience here talking… and I am only 36, hardly an “old goat”. 😀 lol

    29. Fish December 16, 2018 at 7:32 am

      I took Abigail’s comments differently than many. She seemed totally exhausted with modern society and expressed an interest in traditional norms for how men and women should interact. She seems to be searching for a very meaningful life and relationship. She should be encouraged and not called disgusting names.

    30. Dylan wright January 24, 2019 at 12:47 am

      Perhaps try going to places the men youre trying to attract go to, the clubs bring out the worst of both sexes.

  2. jgamez10 November 26, 2018 at 1:07 pm

    I must say that this makes me appreciate my wife who happens to cherish traditional values and wants to have a family at 22. She’s not American (go figure). Good luck to all us who are looking to secure a good woman in this time and age. I would not have been here without reading Roosh’s book Game and the Chateau Heartiste blog.

  3. Jim November 26, 2018 at 1:53 pm

    When I was into bodybuilding I got very drunk off the admiration I received from others, and it was only my immediate circle and randoms out at bars/parties. Can’t imagine millions. I “became” the physique and in turn became very afraid of losing it.. and it was never good enough. My whole life became structured around maintaining it for a few years until I realized what a burden it was and dropped it altogether, now trying only to stay healthy and functional for what I gotta do.

  4. Wiliam Adams November 26, 2018 at 1:55 pm

    I agree with the bulk of the argument. Good writing. Quite spot on.

  5. Cm November 26, 2018 at 1:57 pm

    So, this is interesting, because 6 years ago, I was starting out as a social media model. It was a new scene, and I was beginning to get some following.

    However, being already married, I had a literal ‘come to Jesus’ moment where I realised how utterly disrespectful not only to my husband, but to other men, it was to be displaying my body for all the world to see. (I became a Christian) I immediately took down my Facebook and Instagram. For me, overcoming my vanity was a matter of spiritual rebirth, and I don’t think that’s something that can be overlooked when you consider why this young lady is continuing to pursue her path. She is a beautiful girl, but there is something in her that she knows is deeply wrong…something missing. I remember this feeling so well. Fortunately, considering I would be shaming my husband made the choice so much clearer, and actually was demanded of me if I wanted to be blameless before God. I also realised putting myself on display would be causing men to stumble into lust, and I could not live with that, being a Christian.

    I believe these women are not beyond hope, but I understand the intense desire, craving adoration and fame: it is simply the sin nature and the pride of life. It is a spiritual awakening that must happen, not just a logical one.

    Btw, to the women saying they HAVE to work, not true. I am a stay at home mother of two boys. Yes it takes massive discipline to live within one’s means, even when your husband makes a good income..We are a consumer culture, but the cost benefit ratio is clear. It can happen and takes sacrifice, true sacrifice.

    Yes, there are good men who appreciate modesty and beauty. I know I started in a different way, by using my sexual appeal, so perhaps I am not the best to advise, but you can find a man that will love your traditional values and modesty, do not lose heart.

    One more thing, this woman does have good base genetics, but she has had several cosmetic procedures, that’s obvious, so calling her a natural beauty is not exactly honest 😉

    1. Haha November 26, 2018 at 2:09 pm

      She’s had everything done, literally. Her nose, lips, breasts, chin, cheeks, all of it. And she’s also been lipoed and has fat transfers to her rear end. She’s definitely not natural and she looks like every other Instagram thot. They’re all starting to look like clones of each other I can’t tell who’s who anymore. 🤷‍♀️

      And I don’t know what’s more disturbing, all her body modifications or her mother taking all her ass pics and videos.

      1. pdwalker November 26, 2018 at 2:43 pm

        This. She’s as natural as a 3 dollar bill.

        Anyone who’s has that much surgery done to them is going to be messed up mentally and is going to age very, very, poorly.

        I actually feel sorry for the poor girl.

      2. CheatsRTrash February 18, 2019 at 8:57 pm

        This is why men who are “Trans” can look like models and actresses today. None of them are real and it can be replicated even on men.

    2. Kitty Tantrum November 26, 2018 at 3:47 pm

      Naturally mediocre, painstakingly enhanced!

      My ex-husband (the man I saved my virginity for, the father of my children, the man who CLAIMED to want a traditional family) actually WANTED me to be a whore, more or less. It was a few years into our marriage and he basically pulled a 180 on me, away from godly living and right down the path of unchecked hedonism and consumption.

      It’s embarrassing to admit how far I actually followed him down that path and how long it took for me to shake it all off and get my head on straight again.

      There was a lot more to it than this, but one of the FIRST things he did was buy me a webcam and set me up with a profile on a “camgirl” site. I will never forget how it felt to have lonely, desperate men throwing money at me before I’d even taken any clothes off. I guess that hooks most women in, but I felt AWFUL. It was just this horrible, twisted, sad feeling in the pit of my stomach. Not even because I felt degraded by my husband (that didn’t really hit me until later), but because I felt heartbroken for all of those men. I didn’t want their money, I wanted to give them a hug and tell them that THEY are worth more than this empty interaction.

      1. Kitty Tantrum November 26, 2018 at 5:10 pm

        P. S. the saddest thing is that I was a fatty back then and they still threw money at me. I remember thinking about my own boys (they were still tiny back then) and what on earth it is that could cause a boy to grow up into the sort of “man” who pays to video chat with fatties on the internet.

        The angel on my shoulder whispered “Having a fat whore for a mother is probably a solid start.”

    3. Arnold V November 26, 2018 at 10:52 pm

      Yes, a woman’s body is meant for her man. I know a lot of people hate Islam, but not everything in Islam is bad. An Islamic woman told me men and women outside of a relationship do not touch (meaning even shake hands) because touch is sacred. I thought that was beautiful, and also smart. The average American would laugh and say this is such a minor thing, but I think it would male and female relations.

    4. Arnold V November 26, 2018 at 11:08 pm

      What helped me in my spiritual awakening was red-pilled information about how the world really works. This helped me see through the lies that had been placed in my brain, and this made room for a spiritual awakening.

      Regarding living within one’s means, people don’t realize they don’t HAVE to take vacations. Every time I take a day off, people ask me where I went. It not only costs money on gas and staying somewhere, but it wears out of your vehicle faster.

      1. RGCamara November 27, 2018 at 7:39 pm

        A workday off playing your favorite video game and watching your favorite movies is often more relaxing than anything else will be.

        Of course, don’t be slothful all the time. But an occasional “lost” day can be quite beneficial to the psyche.

  6. Mike Hunter November 26, 2018 at 3:17 pm

    Roosh: That woman has no “natural beauty”. Her tits are fake, her lips are fake, she’s obviously had plastic surgery on her face, finally her ass is too big and probably fake in order to appeal to blacks and hispanics. And that’s only what’s fake about her body. After that she heavily edits her photos.

    The fake plastic look is a huge turnoff for me. Don’t get me wrong. I would bang. But that’s not saying much. I bang fat chicks as well if I don’t have to work for the notch.

  7. NatSoc November 26, 2018 at 4:16 pm

    [on the topic of virginity/exclusivity that very few understand]
    Most men don’t have this prerequisite entering the mating/wife market. It’s developed as a result of interacting and being in relationships with non virgin women.

    I never thought about this preface until I was in relationships with women and seeing their exs. I immediately had the mental reaction “wtf, you were with *that*?!”. It’s instinctive to reject what was already rejected or conquered by others (especially lessers). I wouldn’t care (to a limit) if my partner had a previous partner who exceeded me in quality. It doesn’t matter if he left you or you left him. What matters is that you were with a lesser or used momentarily (as harsh as it sounds). Take what you will from this but this is the reason some men settle, others match equally and most reject. It’s linked by similar paths by don’t manifest as narcissism.

    There are obviously other reasons surrounding the subject of promiscuity which correlates to other life choices and genetic traits that are detrimental to a successful marriage (debt, health choices and ability to adapt to necessary circumstances of life).

    1. RGCamara November 27, 2018 at 7:34 pm

      Reminds me of a movie by that child molester Woody Allen, when Diane Keaton spends a lot of the movie going on and on about her incredible ex-boyfriend whom she can’t get over (and thus can’t date Woody), and then Woody meets the incredible ex and he’s…Wallace Shawn , the troll-like guy from the Princess Bride (“inconceivable!”)).

      The look on Woody’s face says it all. “This is Mr. Wonderful? He looks like a troll! I was expecting a male model! And you think I’m less wonderful than this guy?! What’s wrong with me!”

      All communicated in a look.

  8. Kdog November 26, 2018 at 5:36 pm

    “She hit the genetic jackpot.”


    Lips are fake; nose is fake; tits are fake.

    1. Kitty Tantrum November 26, 2018 at 7:25 pm

      I’m not sure, but when I look at her thighs, hips, lower abdomen, position of belly button, flatness without defined abs, lack of any observable skin folds, etc., it looks like she might have had some kinda totally unnecessary tummy tuck, too (or something, to tighten everything beyond what’s normal). I guess it could just be the way she poses, but something about that area and how it looks in various positions is just odd to me. Even the tightest, fittest women I’ve known have had creases and folds that she does not seem to have.

      I’m sure she had a pretty nice body and face to start with. In fact I wouldn’t be surprised if she was prettier before all of the work she had done. She looks like a mannequin to me.

      1. Cm November 26, 2018 at 8:19 pm

        It’s called a Brazilian Buttt Lift. Costs around $4,000-6,000. They all have them.

      2. pdwalker November 27, 2018 at 7:00 am

        A mannequin American.

        And you’re probably right about her original looks. All lost now

  9. MrLemon November 26, 2018 at 10:15 pm

    There is nothing even remotely complicated about this . She’s a whore. Just like the millions of stupid bovine whores who have burdened society for all of history. This is why parents used to teach their daughters not to be whores.

    She will either marry some idiot or end up drunk and stinking of urine in the gutter giving toothless blowjobs.

    I don’t feel sorry for her. Not one bit. She is actively participating in the ruin of this society. Because of her and the other moronic scum whores like her, we are careening towards a war or revolution that will kill or enslave large numbers of people and massively hurt my own children and grandchildren’s quality of life.

    It’s funny to me that anybody finds her attractive at all. I literally could not raise a boner over her. Angry, bitchy, miserable eyes.

    1. Walter Kronkite November 29, 2018 at 9:52 pm

      The pictures get you to click this article, but this erotic literature is simply ooh-la-la. Toothless AND redolent of urine, you say?

  10. Jay November 27, 2018 at 4:16 am

    Nature displaced our neutral sense of whole into an egg and a sperm.
    But the modern degenerate thinking is too busy rejecting the differences and believes inversion is the solution.

  11. R.G.Camara November 27, 2018 at 7:25 pm

    First, chick is hot, but her ass is too big. No, I’m not being internet “pointy elbows”, I’m stating the fact that most white and yellow men do not go for women with such fat asses; it is unattractive, we like them tight or pert, not this. She’s got everything else going on, but her backside demotes her to an 8, and even a 7 for many guys. I know if I saw her, I would be very attracted to her front, only to be slightly repelled when she turned around, and it would change my thinking from “gotta have it” to “ok, she’s hot, I’ll hit on her if there’s nothing better, but is does she have a friend with a smaller backside?”

    Her success on Instagram is likely a brown/black thing boosting her up. I’ve noticed a lot of Instagram models seem to emphasize a large backside, so I’m guessing their thirsty fans are made up of a lot of black/brown guys. I guess a blond with a big booty really is black man’s kryptonite….sad!

    Second, I’m surprised no one here is discussing the fact that its her FATHER and her MOTHER helping her to whore herself out. Her mother is LITERALLY TAKING THE PICTURES and her father is also assisting/supporting her career.

    That’s sickening. Her own parents are pimping their daughter out…and for Instagram likes, no less. From stalkers and guys too weak to either flip on the porn or go PMO, and so take this “safe” middle ground of cheesecake photos.

    With parents like hers, selling her like a piece of meat, no wonder she’s doing this. The fall of the American family.

  12. NatSoc November 27, 2018 at 10:46 pm

    I would like to thank @abigail92 and @Renaki (and the other ladies) for being the catalyst of this meaningful and individually necessary discussion. I appreciate that the women in the thread continued to be respectful and intellectually honest throughout the whole presumptive phase while gaining a better understanding of each other’s lives and personal experiences.

    If there’s one consistency in this world, it’s women getting what they want. Keep your confidence and desire consistent and you’ll get your wish ladies. take care

    1. abigail92 November 28, 2018 at 12:01 am

      @guest_181004 I personally need to do a lot of self-reflection to see if marriage is even for me. I’ve never even been in a relationship before, so I think that I have become used to being single for such a long time that I probably don’t even know what to do if I had a partner. Am I nurturing? AmnI caring? Am I even capable of loving someone? Maybe if I was younger and had more experience with men, then I would’ve known. I am quite clueless with the opposite sex and too shy, so the chances of me becoming a spinster is higher than the chances of me finding someone. Thank you for your responses (and apology which I accept) it is nice to see the male perspective on things.

      1. NatSoc November 28, 2018 at 12:58 am

        Hey dear,
        Self-reflection is an ongoing process. However don’t allow it to turn into self-deprecation or being critical of yourself unnecessarily. You’ve demonstrated that being caring, loving and understanding comes natural to you in our discussion. Relationships and marriage wouldn’t be too different than what you dealt with in this thread.

        “Maybe if I was younger and had more experience with men, then I would’ve known.”
        now I truly feel terrible for casting that proclamation about age/you earlier which was irresponsible (“if only / younger”). Sweetheart, that’s not an issue at all since you’ve remained chaste with so many additional traits (personality, great communication of emotions and thoughts). When men make such broad proclamations it’s with the understanding that there are always exceptions and *additional qualifiers.

        You’re not shy in the negative sense because you’re clearly open about very deep emotions and matters. You’re capable of standing your ground in conversations without shutting down. You have an innocence that is disarming. These are highly sought after traits very few sub 25 y/o possess. The success rate of marriages of women 25-30 is higher than 18-24 (post 2000s)

        “I probably don’t even know what to do if I had a partner.” You’d be yourself, you’re an adult and proven (that you aren’t needy). There is someone (that you’d love/loves you) who has the capacity to lead you through the unknowns in the relationship.

        Use the self reflection to reinforce what you know and learn about yourself. I’ll come out and say it (if it’s not evident already) I find you attractive (based on your personality and interactions) and would have pursued a relationship with you had I been available (I’m moving back to Europe permanently among other obstacles). If you continue to be how you’ve been in this thread (discussions and expression of your desires) with other men, I am 100% certain you will have suitors and propositions.

      2. abigail92 November 28, 2018 at 4:10 am

        @guest_181004 I guess it comes from fear, that my overthinking of things may push a potential suitor away and that person will be my one and only chance. Or that I have to change myself to keep a good man. Maybe I do have to go out more and put myself out there I guess. I just don’t see myself going up to a guy and randomly conversing with him. Especially if I find the man to be attractive, I can’t even look at them in the eye (pathetic I know). If I don’t meet anyone then my life won’t be over,’I will learn to live with it eventually. There’s plenty of people that are unmarried and live happy lives. People remind me of my age all the time, even my family members always have to annoyingly ask me when I will get married, as if my married life will make them complete. Also the last thing I want is to desire and hope for something that will probably never happen to me. Don’t get me wrong I would love to be with a man but I don’t want to be a slave to that desire. Thank you for your words. 🙂

      3. NatSoc November 28, 2018 at 11:46 am

        Hi sweetheart
        Although I agree completely with your statements (that you *can have a fulfilled and happy life without a man/husband) it’s already written on your heart and mind that *when the right man comes into your life, he will add the *disclaimer* to every statement unless and until you met me. (never forget this)

        You will have the identical effect on him. You will be his unless/until to the new path he took to happiness.

        “I don’t want to be a slave to that desire” This is a perfect way to approach everything in life (and I sometimes fall victim to this myself, all or nothing).

        “over-thinking could push suitor away” thoughtfulness is always attractive and appreciated. Your thoughts originate from within as opposed to the critical form that starts from the surface and sees only the flaws of others.

        Continue to express yourself (as you have with me), it’s impossible for people not to fall in love and want to be with you.

        I will always cherish our exchange (of genuine emotions and expression of inner thoughts). love / lasting embrace

      4. abigail92 November 28, 2018 at 12:38 pm

        @guest_181004 I am happy now and if I run into a man wants to love, cherish and protect me then that’s even better (maybe it could be you?!) haha. You have been very lovely and I appreciate your insight. It’s nice to see replies from kind people, I’m used to seeing hateful and abusive comments so you have been good to chat with. I hope you find a good woman in the future, you seem to be a wise and gentlemanly. 🙂

      5. NatSoc November 28, 2018 at 1:15 pm

        I can sense that you are happy because you love who you are as a person (the first source of happiness). As unlikely as either of us expected this, I would genuinely love to remain in contact with you outside of this place. I’m not talking to anyone at the moment (female) so all possibilities are open and available for us. I know this comes with a certain responsibility that I know I’m capable of living up to.

        I know I wouldn’t be able to forget you and regardless what happens I would always cherish and protect you (through momentary guidance rather than permanent subjugation or force).

        Please download the app Telegram and add my temporary username @ Anon111000
        We can find another communication method if you wish (but let’s try this first). I’m so excited (thank you for making the suggestion I genuinely hoped you’d make).

      6. Kitty Tantrum November 28, 2018 at 2:30 pm

        So have you guys chosen a wedding venue yet??? 😉

      7. NatSoc November 28, 2018 at 3:13 pm

        @Kitty Tantrum
        lol you’re not helping my heart palpitations and “random” blushing with that comment.

      8. Renaki November 28, 2018 at 3:30 pm

        I do hope, we’ll be all invited 😉

      9. Kitty Tantrum November 28, 2018 at 3:35 pm

        Hahaha… I predict Roosh will find a new niche officiating red-pill weddings for all of the lovebirds that end up finding each other in the comment section of his articles. I’d pay good money for that, especially if the ceremony includes a sermon that offends most of my friends and family. Maybe pair it up with a book sale/signing. Cash in on the all the lonely wedding guests.

      10. Renaki November 28, 2018 at 3:41 pm

        That’s a brilliant idea, Kitty!! Roosh really should think about it. I’m in favour for your proposal !!

      11. Eswesh November 28, 2018 at 9:53 pm

        Abigail you seem genuine and I think you should hit me up. Mail me [email protected] 😉

      12. ill matix November 28, 2018 at 4:27 pm

        Abigail email me illmatix59 at google mail

      13. My Goodness Me November 28, 2018 at 7:02 pm

        Jesus, the thirsty faggz show up being thirsty even in an article about thirsty fags! -facepalm-

      14. Walter Kronkite November 29, 2018 at 10:01 pm

        Furious onanism all around, as they dare to dream that this could finally be ‘the one’. You complete me, etc.

      15. NatSoc November 28, 2018 at 10:20 pm

        Hey Dear, since I genuinely care and have developed emotions for you. I would like to warn and make you aware of what the guys who all of a sudden giving you their contact are doing.

        1) They are trying to troll both of us. They want to try to “prove” that your ego has been inflated and that you’ll want to “upgrade” from me (hypergamy).

        2) They are not genuinely interested in you but in using you to get to me. (jealousy).

        I know you’re intelligent enough to see it and understand without me pointing it out. I’m only interested you (regardless who decides to show interest in me in the future.)

      16. Bilbo Shaggins November 29, 2018 at 12:53 am

        Dude you serious? What happened to you? You start off by putting her in her place and now you get all soft? I don’t see how someone with high smv can just fall for some shit online. Snap out of it

      17. Kitty Tantrum November 29, 2018 at 4:31 am

        I think he just wants to find out what she looks like.

      18. NatSoc November 29, 2018 at 5:23 pm

        I hope you get to see this post one day. I would certainly regret not finishing my desire reciprocating reply faster so you might have seen it. btw your ending emoticons were so adorable (I could picture your exact expression being similar).

        As a secondary contact to the Telegram messenger I posted earlier, if you feel more comfortable this is an email you can reach me at anon111000 @

        Thank you to the ladies who were very positive and encouraging for the potential of a magical outcome (which there’s no doubt in my mind Abigail will have, though sincerely still hope for it to be with me)

      19. Eswesh December 1, 2018 at 11:48 am

        Why would you even reply to this Natsoc dude after he called you selfish, disgusting and disrespected your father…

      20. NatSoc December 1, 2018 at 9:00 pm

        There’s nothing worse than someone who tries to open up old wounds in a person they claim to care about (Abigail). The context matters as much as what I said, but you’re only interested in tearing me down in the vain hope it leaves you as the only option. I’m not interested in getting in a “but remember the time he said xyz.”
        Even though I’m incredibly grateful she not only understood the reason (not excuse) of why I said certain things, I’m also humbled that she forgave me.

        @Kitty Tantrum
        “I think he just wants to find out what she looks like.”
        That’s not even remotely why I want to continue speaking with Abigail privately. I genuinely don’t understand everyone’s obsession with what people look like. She looks like a 26 y/o female! What could she possibly look like?! If she’s pretty then that’s a bonus but I have learned the hard way that looks are often the cause of people’s personality flaws.

        I’m interested only in her, the person I got to know here. Her potential “looks” never crossed my mind. I think people got the wrong impression that I was bragging about my exs. There are only instagram types in my area. I’ve tried to make the best of my situation.

        I will never take someone like Abigail for granted because I know how rare and unlikely it is for me to ever meet someone like her.

      21. MCG00 December 2, 2018 at 6:14 am

        Duuude. Abigail seems genuine, but did you know the CIA sometimes fakes personalities online to influence social trends by scripting threads? The CIA has had operation ‘sock puppet’ for quite a while. This site ROK is Earth shaking we all know, and the elites also know that, so you kind of wonder would the elites go to the trouble of sock puppeting on ROK?? I’m not saying Abigail is a sock puppet, but the powers have 24-7 teams paid to influence social trends on social media:

        The article is from 2011 and describes sock puppets spreading ‘pro American’ propaganda, so just imagine today how the sock puppet industry must have grown. And ‘pro American’ is pretty ambiguous coming from the CIA.

        So say for example you’re chatting with a girl online and it just so hapens that you’re also an influential red pill voice with a catalyst effect. And the girl on the other end that you’re chatting with ghosts calling you directly but she still coaxes all kinds of openness from you in online anonymous chat. Wouldn’t you be surprised to find that ‘she’ was really a trained psy-op team that wasn’t a ‘she’ at all? The entity that you were chatting with really looked like THIS all along:×253.jpg
        Yeah wouldn’t that blow your mind if you found that THAT was really Abigail? Of course there’s no way Abigail could be an AI a bot since she’s so well humanly thought out, and yes she does seem in need for a man to dominate her out of her hamster trap of a mind, but honestly if she’s actually contacting you offline, then zing for you. If it was me, I’d make her a sister wife, err my wife would and she’d do a big make over on her lickety split. So you go ahead and nail dat diggy NatSoc I’m telling ya.

        I’ll tell you a funny story. Way back in 2008 I had a flip phone and the only hook up media online was AirG or ‘Mobilove’ on my cheap ass Virgin Mobile flip phone I got from 7-11 for $10. I’d get the girl offline ASAP to txt or call so I’d see her in real life without delay – – and she always turned out to be either a fat whale or some crazy skank. I knew all along this online sh¡t isn’t even real and they’re all liars. These girls all misrepresented themselves online.

        I’ll tell you about this one girl who said she was ‘fun loving’ but needed company. She said she was in bed with the sniffles and needed a pizza or something. If only I’d known the whole truth . . oh boy. So she arranged a meet up at her place and when I got there, I brought a Dominos pizza to her trailer. There she was in bed. She was so fat (and disabled), she had a butt in front of her. And other butts, at least twelve fleshy ASS CRACKS on her whole body. I know niggaz like truckloads of blubber since they all eat chitterlings and leftover dog scraps, but this gal – whooh! man was she fat. Yeah a ‘tittie’ man might say “whoo-wee her whole body feels (and looks) like 3xD cup titties evrywhere. Her shoulder blades even looked like rear titties. What a treat for the ‘doggie’ man to squeeze from behind?? Yuk!Yuk!Yuk! Naaah. Not for me. I swear you could have concievably ‘tittie-effed’ any one of her dozen or so creases – – the blubber cracks in her and arms and legs, even the back of her neck had an f-able crack or crease. I said “Man I’m a nationalist white dude. I can do better than this.” I said “fugg this AirG online junk!” I quickly tore the Dominos pizza in half, handed her the smaller half and said my sick cousin needed the rest of the pizza (I lied. I ate it for myself.). Then I RAN outta that trailer house and went to the park to look for my preferred; babysitter teen or small dog walking girls to chat. But that fat AirG girl, her mounds of flesh and blubber literally hung off the sides of that king sized bed like hefty glad bags. She’d be a meme pic today if only my cheap flip phone had a camera back then.

        Oh and there’s this one other thing online ‘personalities’ representing themselves as female used to do on AirG. They’d text only. And they tried to get you to ‘text jerk off’ with them. How stupid right? Yeah you think you’re whacking off with a beautiful girl on the other line, and meeting her is imminent so long as you text the full incriminating details to her – – but HA! – – the JOKE’S ON YOU. And she actually looks like THIS:
        Oooh now that would be a face palm for the memory books wouldn’t it? That kind of stuff just makes you want to RUN RUN RUN and hit the real game yo.

        SOMETIMES EVEN, those online scammers wanted money or top up pin#’s texted to them. And it wasn’t even a ‘she’ as usual. Nope it was:
        Owwww – got taken again!!!

        Welp, NatSoc my man I hope Abby bites for you. Just don’t let it get too corny. She sounds okay – Oi! – but you gotta see it to believe it. Best luck brah.

      22. Eswesh December 2, 2018 at 10:18 am

        Women never truly forget the first impression of a man. So in your case you’ll always be seen as a rude cunt to her. It doesn’t matter how nice you pretend to be.

      23. NatSoc December 2, 2018 at 12:38 pm

        You’re doing something called gaslighting (to Abagail)
        from the wiki page
        “The victim may be made the subject of gossip, persistently discredited or questioned in an attempt to destroy the victim’s confidence. The perpetrator may re-route conversations to perceived faults or wrongs.”
        That’s exactly what you’re doing, trying to plant seeds of doubt and negative associations (although infertile still should not be watered and given room to sow)

        One of the many things I adore and appreciate about @Abigail92 is that she was able to navigate through my initial turbulence and had the desire to get to a place where she saw me with greater clarity. That speaks to her character and subtle determination.

        I appreciate the heads up and the personal stories are luckily not something I can relate to. I also posted something about pysops a few days ago.

        “She sounds okay”
        just okay?! I couldn’t have a higher impression, opinion and level of confidence in her.

    2. KernitTheeFrog777 November 30, 2018 at 3:47 pm

      Dude enough, at this point stop inserting yourself into the convo with no value added. You’ve already written a book above.

  13. dickycone November 28, 2018 at 8:19 am

    Controversial take: her ass is too big. Look at the photo where she’s lying on her tummy sitting tea. It isn’t even proportional to the rest of her body. It’s not natural for white guys to be into huge glutes and haunches like they’ve been conditioned to be nowadays.

  14. Arturo Van de Lay November 28, 2018 at 4:46 pm

    Ultimate Red Pill: Thirsty Betas Must be Culled

    They will always conspire with wicked females against their Alpha betters.

    1. Anti-Gnostic December 5, 2018 at 6:10 pm

      “Ultimate Red Pill: Thirsty Betas Must be Culled. They will always conspire with wicked females against their Alpha betters.”

      How elitist for you to say.

  15. aldsf November 29, 2018 at 12:54 am

    she is unbelievably hot. jesus christ. problem is, they all are.

    my ig explore used to be filled with amazingly hot women, and soccer. eventually i had to uninstall the app. it’s a sick addiction. these girls have sick mindsets, but it’s us feeding into it to keep them going.

    we’ve hit a point of no return. for all intents and purposes, ig has replaced the need for validation from 1 quality man. i’m no saint either. i can’t settle down w a girl, choosing instead to match on dating app after dating app and screw endlessly. then again, it becomes a chicken vs egg situation — how can i justify settling down w one of these whores? or did our beliefs manifested into action turn them into these very whores? it’s probably a little bit of both.

    1. Bilbo Shaggins November 29, 2018 at 12:58 am

      It’s a form of idol worship that seers the eyes. I had to remove it completely

  16. michel houellebecq November 29, 2018 at 2:39 pm

    Unfortunately for her, increasing her own status through online fame has made it that much harder to ever conclude that a man is deserving of her love. The same applies to a woman who earns a high income. Any man who makes less than her will be rejected, even though they could’ve been soulmates.

    i just watched joe rogan’s interview with ufc fighter miriam nakamoto. she said when she saw her “great,” boyfriend get knocked-out she instantly, and permantly, lost attraction:

  17. Whitney November 29, 2018 at 5:07 pm

    She’s beautiful… but her looks will fade. And she will have no internal reserves of strength to sustain her when they do. This is tragic

  18. John November 29, 2018 at 7:54 pm

    Stop using soft porn to get people to red your posts.

  19. THOT Officer December 2, 2018 at 10:32 pm

    I say we take all the thots, and push them somewhere else.

  20. NatSoc December 2, 2018 at 11:54 pm

    I promise never to rush or minimize anything you’re experiencing (especially for the first time).

    What would new love be without a first dedication song, so brace yourself babe lol.

    I choose this song because it speaks to both of us from different perspectives. “if I could just believe in this heart, it could, have the will to stand back up, and put one foot in front of the other, one beat after another.”.

    I’ve had a difficult time convincing myself to believe and stand back up to start over and over again, after finally finding a moment of harmony between my mind and heart.

    I know you’re approaching this from a completely different perspective, having to convince yourself to risk amounts unknown for even less certainty. Find the will to believe in your heart.

    1. Eswesh December 3, 2018 at 12:09 am

      A high SMV male falling for a woman online HAHAHAHA

    2. abigail92 December 5, 2018 at 2:42 am

      @guest_181004 please check your email. 🙂

      1. Kitty Tantrum December 5, 2018 at 5:27 pm

        Awwww, my cold internet-jaded heart hopes to all heck that you’re both genuine and not covert CIA operatives. ^_^

  21. Jon Peter December 3, 2018 at 12:49 pm

    Hey Roosh, if you’re going to invoke God in criticizing this woman, why don’t the think about Jesus’ words on judging others before you write? Why does she bother you so much? Me thinketh it’s probably because she’s out of your league, because you don’t have a page in “GAME” on how to get one like her. Probably just because you’re so Arab looking. As the French say “sale Arab” (dirty Arab)
    She has a lovely ass and she makes a good living. So what? Who cares if she’s happy? As I see it, the real problem here is with the men orbiting her on Instagram. To them I say “get the hell off of Instagram” and go improve yourself physically and financially, and you will be be able to bang hot broads like her.

  22. John Brownsox December 3, 2018 at 6:58 pm

    typetype type

  23. Toronto 6ix9ine December 6, 2018 at 9:09 pm

    Fake ass
    fake tits
    does she pay her taxes?

  24. Someguyfromafar December 10, 2018 at 4:11 am

    In Montreal, from 98 to 2013, dating websites were amazing (at least the french ones). I probably scored 400-500 girls using those websites. Good looking girls, most of them agreeing to see me at my house for a first date. It was amazing, especially since I’m not a good ”gamer” at bar (girls approach me way more often than I do, even today…a month ago a 20 years old ask me my name and how old I was!!!). But around 2014-2015 dating websites in my region changed for the worst. First, they became copycat of the terrible US dating websites were you pay for everything and are full of fake profiles, even restricting the number of your messages and interactions with the girls. It was the beginning of a very sad new era! One of my friend (a girl) help me realized that all the dating websites are now emulating tinder and that tinder is emulating instagram (selfishness par excellence). Basically, the girls dont want to get a boyfriend or even sex (or rarely and you have hundreds of competitor on their list): their primary goal is to get attention, they want to get a lot of matches, to feel beautiful, desirable, etc. Back in the early 2000’s, the majority of the girl didn’t even post their pictures on dating websites, they wait to see if you were interesting enough, then send you one or two pictures, usually normal pictures of them that could fit very well in a family album. Often, the most beautiful girls I dated were from profile without pictures. Today, it seems that girls just want to take picture of themselves and send them on tinder, instagram, facebook, etc. And they got so much attention, its ridiculous. How a girl like Amanda lee can get so many followers for just cheap erotic picture? We’re just tools helping her at getting some thumbs up for healing her ego! Amanda Lee is not that attractive too me. It seems her only purpose in life is to get attention attention, but it’s obvious she will never give you any time, attention and love. Its typically the complete opposite of the girls I dated in the early 2000’s. The most sad thing: even the women of my age are doing the same now! Its not a generation gap, its really the era. Its quite a sad time to date women!

  25. ChristianCool December 16, 2018 at 6:04 am

    Here is the “cool thing” about this InstaGram model thing – they are almost all hookers. That means you can hire them for a bang. This girl would probably charge an absolute fortune for a bang, but many others just as hot would jump in bed with guys who are reasonable (at least a 5+ and and not a smelly blob) for $500 to $1,000 per bang.

    I have not crossed the P4P line because of my faith (and because I do not have to being a solid 8 male, I can get by on and 80/20 system of daygame and online game)… but I personally know really hot girls in Vegas that are 8-10 that will bang for $400 to $1,000, no problem, no BS. I know 2 girls who are 7s and will 3-some with some dude for $900 each.

    So these InstaGram “models” are attention seeking HOOKERS. No different then girls at strip-clubs or the sidewalk, just hotter and with much more make-up and professionally photographed. Not just for attention, they want a millionaire to marry and divorce-rape or cash for bangs in between flights to Dubai to be “Dubai Porta-Potties for the 0.000001% elite of that country).

  26. FreeRangeSoyBreeder December 18, 2018 at 11:06 pm

    Those breast implants look horrible, not to mention she’s caked in makeup. That type of plastic Barby look is a huge turnoff for me. Women should let their natural beauty shine and not rely on augmentations to fool men. I really don’t understand how so many guys find her attractive. All I see is a shameless bimbo injected with silicone and petrolatum.

  27. Svigor December 20, 2018 at 12:05 am

    Prolly a lil like you and the no job thing.

  28. MattyZ December 27, 2018 at 12:57 pm

    True facts – she doesn’t look nearly that good IRL most days. Also I’ve banged women who look nearly as not-bad on most days when I was dead broke and owned more-or-less one nice set of clothes. It’s relatively straightforward just apply some basics of game principles and treat her like a regular person. This will put you far and away ahead of 95% of chodes out there who treat her special for being born, yes even millionaire chodes and athlete chodes. It’s what she wants the most, in fact.

  29. Erin Lane Moffett January 1, 2019 at 11:31 pm

    Or she could be a dubai porta potty girl. That’s generaly how the IG models “make it”. IG algorithms don’t just get a following because of a great body. It’s almost impossible to go “viral” on IG.