The Bolivia Effect

Not only is beauty relative, but the way you perceive the same girl is relative. Imagine you just broke up with this girl from a year-long relationship:

And then you were told that you had to move to a deserted island with this girl:

You’d be disapointed, right? Now how would you feel if you had to move to the island with the above girl after dating this:

You’d probably feel like you just won the lottery. It turns out that the girl you were with yesterday directly influences how you feel about girls you see today. It can also affect how you see women of an entire country.

The Bolivia Effect: You will overvalue women of any country you visit if the previous country had uglier women.

I’ve experienced three Bolivia Effects. The first is when I actually left Bolivia for Argentina. I was so floored by the beauty of Argentine women that I was ready to renounce American citizenship and permanently move there. While the women are indeed beautiful, the Bolivia Effect made me miss out on a lot of their flaws. In my second visit to the country (after living in Brazil for six months), I couldn’t believe I thought they were so amazing. I only lasted one more month until leaving.

My second Bolivia Effect was going from Washington DC to Iceland. Because Icelandic women dress sexy, something that DC women don’t know how to do, I initially thought they were above average when in fact they have the same problems shared by their Scandinavian cousins. They were of respectable stock but nothing special.

The third Bolivian Effect was going from Denmark to Poland. I was so repulsed by Danish women that I could have stepped in North Korea and thought it was paradise, but thankfully Poland really is a place where horny man dreams come true. Still, it has its weaknesses. The Bolivia Effect caused me to ignore a butterface problem that didn’t begin to register until three months into my stay. Only when I forgot about how bad Denmark was did I start to see Poland for what it really was.

The problem with the Bolivia Effect is that it prevents you from objectively comparing your exploits for choosing an end game location in order to sow your wild oats or settle down. If I originally visited Argentina after Brazil, would I have still stayed for three months? If I went to Poland after Argentina, would I have been able to tolerate the butter? When it comes to women, there is no truth except for relative truth. Our most recent experiences color current ones, which is why I overhyped Poland and Argentina while underhyping places like Colombia and Brazil.

Unfortunately, the more experience I rack up the less confident I feel that I’m being objective. The best I can do is tell you my stories, relay facts (not emotions), and let you make decisions on where to visit yourself. Even then, it is impossible to make the absolute best decision possible for you’ll always be deciding from incomplete and impartial data. Not only will no two men ever see a country the same, but with separate visits, you’ll never see the same country the same.

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This is timely. I just spent a 4 day weekend in Alsace, and I only counted 5 fat women the entire trip. Out of hundreds.

Even with a language barrier, the women I communicated with were flirtatious and fun and got my attention.

I’m actually considering a move there for my springs (just 2-3 months each year), but I am trying to stay neutral on the fact that the ladies there are so beautiful compared to all the other countries I visit regularly (including Poland).

I know they’re bitchy, high maintenance, demanding, and egocentric — but they look so much better than the Americans and Brits and Canadians I see most of the time, it’s easy to forget that women are women, and looks can be relative.

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This is very much true in relationships as well. The time it takes to get over girl you just broke up with or just got dumped by, is completely relative to the time it takes to find someone hotter. It makes you wonder, what happens if you are dating a smoking hot chick, will you ever get over her if you moved to DC?

scary.

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The more experience and notches I get the more I envy the man who is happy with one chick for his whole life. It gets harder and harder to find something that really pleases me because I’m always trying to get better then what I just had. Are looks really that relative?

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Thank you Tampa, thats kinda what I’m saying. BTW I posted post #3.

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Where are you heading next, Roosh?

I seems like you are over Poland.

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I´m suffering from the Bolivia effect now after spending 6 months in the Amazon region and returning for some vacation to my homeland- Sao Paulo.

I didn´t remember the girls here were so beautiful and intelligent! LOL~1

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Damn! i should be writing this shit. Permanent residence, come to me already! I’m so jealous of you fucking women and being philosophical at the same time, it is not even funny.

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Bolivians are some ugly indinan mutherfluckers. Dishonest as hell too. Don’t ever do business with them. Their ugliness is only matched by their dishonest ways.

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YOU ARE STUPID RETARDED IF YOU THINK SO. LOOKUP ARELY MORALES MODEL FRIEND FROM BOLIVIA SHE IS GORGEOUS. LOOK UP PACENA (BOLIVIAN BEER) MODELS. THEY ARE GORGEOUS AS WELL. ALSO I HAVE BEEN GOING TO BOLIVIA FOR OVER 20 YRS. NEVER BEEN A VICTIM BECAUSW CRIME IS MUCH LOWER THAN BRAZIL COLOMBIA OR ARGENTINA!

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stop fooling yourself. I am bolivian but I wish I wasn’t because this country is a disaster, people lie all the time like there is not big deal with it. Bolivian do not accept critic, if you dare to do a critic about anything in Bolivia then you become their enemy. Also they are stupid, the only thing they know about internet is Facebook and whatsapp app, they don’t use internet, they are ignorants, dirty, they pee on the streets, throw garbage on the streets, they also burn garbage, they drive like animals, etc.

I noticed this defects when I was 10 years old, I think I dont have the stupidity gene that most of Bolivians they have, i put as a goal to leave the country as fast as I could. Anyway do not bother with Bolivia you will loose your time, most of people are horrible from inside and outside as well.

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lmaoo at the third picture. the guy in it kind of looks like roosh if he had short hair too.

dude (to roosh) you gotta post pics of some of these girls you’ve hooked up with. i mean there in other countries so theres like a 0% chance they’ll ever see the site. you should do an entire post of pictures of girls you’ve banged and the story & how you gamed each one. now that would be a good post.

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But beauty can be quantified via mathematical formulas too…

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Co-signs jones! You know roosh proably got a full folder of nudes.

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Fuck that pic, I hate it everytime I see it crop up in the forums.

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So true… when I started visiting Asia around 13/14 years old, I had a whole continent of girls to compare with American girls. 10 years later, I live in Asia and appreciate that the world is a big place with dozens of countries with beautiful women.

I can only wonder what Latin America and Eastern Europe have… The several Russian and Eastern European girls I’ve seen have usually been thin, beautiful, intelligent, and feminine… at least more than their White American counterparts.

Thank god as men we don’t have to settle for the last picture of (or lack of) femininity

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Haha. Yeah… I went through that same shit hopping out the bus in Rosario, having come from Tupiza Bolivia. But like you said, eventually reality sets it.

Well, wait. That’s not true, at least for me anyway. It isn’t reality setting it, it’s just simply that I start wanting bigger and better (like #3 mentioned above). I don’t think anything’s wrong with that. Keeps life interesting.

Moral: We need the Bolivia’s of the world. Else, we’d have no reason to dream about the next Argentina.

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Or you could just carry a camera roosh and take pictures and compare? Naw, sounds like too much work yah?

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This is a great dialogue about subjective experience. Although, I got to say, the second picture doesn’t look so bad. There’s something inherently bitchy about the first girl that makes me prefer the second automatically. Once again, subjective experience. razz

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Couldn’t agree more.

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Every time I leave DC for anywhere else… the Bolivia effect.

Coming home is depressing. I bet you can’t wait to return home Roosh!

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Want proof that women REFUSE to condemn the crimes of their fellow women? Download and read this 11 page letter that Peter Nolan wrote to the International Women’s Club in Dublin, requesting them to CONDEMN the CRIMES that one of their MEMBERS, who is also Peter Nolan’s ex-wife, was committing against him.

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http://www.crimesagainstfathers.com/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=9lSXfe6xZo8%3D&tabid=82&mid=409&forcedownload=true

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Reading this letter might save your life one day.

Passing this letter to a friend might save HIS life one day.

The point I am making in this letter to these 250 women is that they have had FOUR YEARS to denounce a criminal woman and instead they have supported her and hidden her crimes from those who are new in her life.

You, as a young men, have a right to know that the VAST MAJORITY of western women take the position they can commit crimes against you with impunity. If you do nothing to fight back? Such as join CAF and register to sit on our new juries? Please do not bother me any more with your whining and moaning.

For not only have WOMEN had FOUR YEARS to be prepared to denounce WOMEN who are criminals? SO HAVE MEN. And the MEN will not do this either.

Not Jennifers father, not her brother, not her sons, not my father, not my brothers, not my best man, not my best mate, not my sons, not my male cousins, not my uncles.

Quite frankly? I am FAR more disgusted in FATHERS than I am in women.

And you fathers here ought to know that.

I can have no respect for men who are not willing to write letters like this one. I have been doing this for FOUR YEARS and in my own name MORE THAN A YEAR. Yet so many other men cower at the idea of doing the same. And so many other men REFUSE to educate themselves.

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Rescind your consent to be governed!

Divorce your criminal government!

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And if you do not do this?

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It is not recommended to put pictures of girls that a Games-Man has banged on his Game Blog (at least not saying in writing that a bang in fact took place) because one should want to avoid any potential chance of having to deal with lawyers, plus it would not be smooth discreet Game. If one wants to put up photos of women (without saying if there was a bang or not, and just for the pictures) it probably would be better to upload them to other sites.

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Making the move from DC to Honolulu in less than two months. I’m hoping for a huge Bolivia Effect in my favor. Man DC just sucks.

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Yep, I used to make this point all the time.

The Bolivia Effect is worst when a guy is used to banging 3s and 4s in his home country, then goes to a poor country where he can bang 4s and 5s, and suddenly said country has the *most beautiful girls in the world*.

He does not realize that if he could bang 5s and 6s and higher in his home country, he would never think those girls are so hot.

Then other guys who are banging 6s and 7s take his advice and go to these countries, only to be bitterly disappointed.

I call it the Personal Bolivia Effect. I have been its victim. It appears in its most common and virulent form when beta dudes go to Asia, but is also quite common for Eastern Europe as well.

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point nicely brought through, the third girl is visual terror

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I was in Tel Aviv before coming to Belo Horizonte, and though they were hot, my lack of Russian and Hebrew hampered my progress. I had to resort to hostel girls to silence the beast.

I wonder what country you’d have to go to after Brazil in order to experience the Bolivia effect.

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ukraine.

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dude, i live in israel (last 3 years) believe me, the girls might be cute in tel-aviv but overall, jewish girls are ugly materialistic masculine bitches.. as someone mentioned, Ukraine (Kiev in particular) is the place to go, i was stunned by the amount of beautiful well dressed, skinny (!) single girls
per sq, Israel is a very shitty place for girls.. no wonder tel-aviv is considered by some the gay capital of the world.

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The 3rd girl may be the ugliest, but experience has taught me that she is by far the best in bed, followed closely by the 2nd Girl.

Girl #1 is horrible in the sack and absolutely awful at blow jobs.

Experience teaches that if you want to have a good over all time – go for #2. #1 is really only for showing off – arm candy.

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I am Indian guy,Tall and muscular,I dated German polish, Indian girls and Girls from middle east and I found Polish are so far best in the bed,but they are too demanding,I live in New York City

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Right now dating a Spanish girls,but she just not good in bed as polish,

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“Bolivians are some ugly Indian motherfuckers. Dishonest as hell too. Don’t ever do business with them. Their ugliness is only matched by their dishonest ways.”

Thank you, Tony Montana.

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I can totally believe that Poland had a butterface issue. I have yet to meet a Polish woman that I thought was pretty. A “5” face is the most attractive I have seen of them. Not saying there aren’t hotties in the motherland itself, but the ones I’ve encountered outside of Poland were nothing to write home about.

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It also has to be accounted for WHERE in the country are the women from … Even small central american countries can have a HUGE differences from one region with respect to another …. Since we are using Bolivia for this drill, my experience is that woman are not generally good looking in most of the country, but if you go to Santa Cruz, they are just amazing!! (you can find many like the first picture there) they would live Barranquilla and Cartagena (North Colombia) in the dust and even could rival Cali or Medellin (Center Colombia). Also this area of Bolivia is really close to brazil, so there are a lot of nice brazilian girls in the city … I have been in all the cities in mention and that was my experience. I know some guys love Barranquilla, but I would choose Santa Cruz Bolivia in a heart beat! … just my field report smile

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Do not lose your time with Bolivian women, the majority just want to be pregnant to take money from you. They give birth all the time, they do not take care of their kids, they treat them as pets.

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All of Eastern Europe has a butterface issue.

It makes one wonder if the increase in femininity and thinness is really worth the tradeoff in face.

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“The 3rd girl may be the ugliest, but experience has taught me that she is by far the best in bed, followed closely by the 2nd Girl.

Girl #1 is horrible in the sack and absolutely awful at blow jobs.

Experience teaches that if you want to have a good over all time – go for #2. #1 is really only for showing off – arm candy.” 25 Kel

This somehow still baffles people. When a man gets busted cheating, the first thing people do is compare the looks of the chick he cheated with to the girlfriend/wife, and the chick he cheated with is often less attractive. But it’s not about that – the less attractive chick was willing to do that shit the significant other won’t, or when the significant other stops fucking PERIOD, he’ll seek out another chick that’s willing to show him some affection. I don’t know if most guys would want to dip into the #3 level talent pool, but #2 definitely.

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Yeah well, what about the Brazil-effect?
When you leave Brazil for wherever you live and then want to gut yourself with a scimitar.

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I don’t find that experience makes you less happy with women because the increased availability of ass is just too good to pass up. On the contrary, ass loses its specialness the more girls that you bang. One becomes like the next.

I find that it becomes harder to be with one girl the more experience that you have because you stop pedestalizing girls to such a degree that it becomes almost impossible to find one that you could keep you continuously interested on the basest of levels. All the flaws pop out sooner because you become very skilled at noticing them. Guys who are pussy-dumb tend to ignore the flaws of especially better looking women. Guys who have had a lot of women tend to notice personality patterns that they’ve lived through before, and its boring. So, at least for me, it becomes a game of ‘lets fuck and then leave me alone because you really aren’t that interesting and I’m better at entertaining myself when I’m not in the mood for sex’.

I used to think older women were more interesting. Now, the only interesting women to me tend to be in their early twenties as their naivete is fun to observe and be around. It’s that fresh naive spark that becomes the prize after a while, over everything else, at least as far as anything beyond a shag goes.

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A couple things:

In most countries, there are only a few places where there are TON of hot women. In America, you obviously know that DC is not that place.

So WHERE you go makes a difference.

Also, WHEN you go makes a difference. I remember you mentioning that pickings were good when school was in session, but then things dropped off afterward. Every place has a season.

All those factors can have a great affect on what you think about a place.

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@25 Kel

Absolutely true. If you’re fucking that, it works pretty well for a while. But then you want more. You want your socks knocked off sexually and while the girl #1 is hot, she’s also boring.

This is why Hugh Grant cheats on Liz Hurley with Devine Brown.

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#3 is a monstrosity and I wouldn’t even fuck her if we were the last man and woman and the fate of the human species rested on our fornication. Why would any man in his right mind consider sleeping with #3, it completely defeats the purpose of sharing your bed with a girl if that girl looks like the love child of two gay dwarfs. Seriously, for a bunch of GAMERS, your standards are really low and desperate if you would even consider sleeping with #3

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that’s the problem of gaming: the girls have got to be better and better, because we know what we CAN get, even if our best would be #2, the best we had becomes our standard.

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A – fucking – men.

My Examples:

West Africa to Istanbul:girls in Istanbul look fat.
Ethiopia to Kenya: Kenyans look ugly as hell.
Ireland to Latvia: Heaven?

I try to be objective, but no man is impervious to the Bolivia effect.

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I’m not sure why you call it the Bolivia Effect (there must be a reference to something I’m not getting), but the contrast effect certainly does affect your perception quite a lot.

Coincidentally, I wrote exactly about how you can use the contrast effect to your advantage when picking up girls just last week.

If anyone’s interested, check out the post at:

http://www.immoralpsychology.com/2011/11/02/ugly-people-can-help-you-meet-hot-people/

(Not sure if I’m allowed to post a link in here. If not, my apologies. Feel free to moderate. I just thought it was relevant and might be of interest to some readers.)

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That damn picture again!

You love to torture us Roosh.

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I believe a similar concept was introduced in The Loo Sanction by Trevanian, where he postulated that the most beautiful women in the world are to be found in the first country you visit after you’ve been to England. There is something to that, I think.
Incidentally, Trevanians protagonists in his three spy novels display some pretty hardcore alpha traits. Especially the guy in Shibumi.

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Boliva Effect:

I spent 2 weeks in Manila before going to India and went to the same mall most days. Filipna girls are NOT known as beauties: short, dumpy, not pretty faces,no ass and stomachs. Very disappointing. Went to India for 2 months and saw some of the worst looking girls in the world: overweight and ugly. I then came back to Philippines and went to the same mall. Never saw so many beauties in my life.

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Polish Butterface

I would have to agree that Polish girls have a higher percentage of Butterfaces than some other countries. It’s exactly the opposite of the US: you’ll find quite a few nice bodies, and a lot of mediocre faces.

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I predict lots of books sales will come now that some Icelandic reporter covered your Bang Iceland book.
Remember bad press is always free promotion.
They Icelandic folks are also bitter because The truth hurts bro.

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Damn it, Roosh. What is the next destination?

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Goddamn, the ghoul in the third picture is one ugly bitch, yet she still has some guido stapled to her neck. WTF

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“Goddamn, the ghoul in the third picture is one ugly bitch, yet she still has some guido stapled to her neck. WTF”

Guido’s will fuck anything after a few Jager Bombs.