The Busted Dudes Test

The Western man is faced with a lot of choices on where to spend his extended vacations. There are too many countries and too many conflicting reports. One guy says England is a fuck fest while another says the girls are cows. One guy says the Dominican Republic is prostitute-central while another says it’s cheap and fun. If you’re looking to stay in a place for a short while, how do you decide?

I’ve lived abroad for a total of two years now and have finally discovered the only quality you need to look for when deciding where to stay:

Is it common to see a busted guy with a pretty girl on his arm?

That’s all I look for now. If within my first day in a country I see pretty girls with busted dudes who aren’t decked out in Hugo Boss or gold jewelry, I know the country will be good to me because that means the sexual market is skewed in the man’s favor. It means I can get a girl much prettier than I am handsome in shorter time periods, possibly without having to even use game. Not only that, but the country will be cheap, because if it was “rich” then those pretty girls would be going out with guys who were wearing the Hugo Boss and gold bling.

In America, I rarely see busted dudes with hot girls. It happens once every six months. It’s actually sad how common I see decent-looking men with hogs.

In Denmark, I never saw a busted dude with a hot girl. Not once. Girls there always were able to move up in terms of attractiveness while guys moved down.

In Iceland, the guys sometimes had to date down, but it was more common for couples to be equally attractive.

In Argentina and Colombia, the level of attractiveness was mostly equal. Good looking girls were with good-looking guys, though sometimes I did see weird mullet dudes with hotties.

In Brazil, girls were prettier than the guys. Too many times I saw busted dudes or straight-up dorks with model-looking girls.

In Poland, girls are also prettier than the guys. That balding Polish guy I saw yesterday with zero style, a fanny pack, and a Sloth face had a nice girl that everyone reading right now would wife up.

Out of the above list, do you want to guess the two countries where I pulled an amazing girl within my first week? I’m talking about girls who just about blew away any girl I happened to meet in the previous year. Don’t think too hard now.

Brazil and Poland. Day five and day three, respectively.

In Brazil I look like a native while in Poland I look exotic, but my appearance is only a minor factor when compared to the fact that women in those countries don’t have a good selection of men. For two months in Denmark I banged the ugliest chicks I have in years, and then I get off the plane in Poland and right away slept with a beautiful girl who did everything to please me. I struggled like a dog in Argentina and then slept with the most beautiful girl I ever have in my life not even a week in Rio. Things like my game, style, and so on have their effects, but the power of the local dating market is such that it’s possible to hear stories of regular guys spending two weeks in Brazil and meeting the most amazing women they have in their lives. But in Denmark? Ireland? Australia? Yeah, right.

How about other countries?

Spain and Italy. Beautiful girls, but equally handsome men. Hard to date up. Men are known for visiting whorehouses, especially in Spain, which is not a good sign.

Belgium, Austria, Germany. Power shifted towards sloppy, feminist women. You will have to date down or equal to your level.

Russia, Ukraine, Romania, Bulgaria, Balkans. Busted dudes with pretty girls. You can date up up up.

Thailand, Philippines. Average-looking girls but nonexistent male competition. You can date up.

Game doesn’t help a whole lot if there is a surplus of dudes and a shortage of beautiful girls. You’ll do what I did in Denmark and waste it on 5s and 6s for one-night stands that make you feel shitty the next day. You’ll do what I have done in Washington DC and carry the Britannica of game on your back just to get with 7s. Please don’t repeat my mistakes and spend months or years in places where the environment is working against you every time you walk out the door.

You can even use the busted dudes test within your own country to pick which city to live in. While Washington DC is horribly tilted against men, how about New York City, Austin, or Charlotte? If your only determinant of where to live is the “job market,” your dick is going to hate you.

To pick a place worth staying, all you need to use in your eyes. Look at the couples holding hands and give each person a 1-10 rating. If the girl ratings are higher than the guys, it’s time to search for an apartment and stay for as long as you can, even if it’s just for a weekend or two.

When I was younger and more insecure, I’d get jealous that busted dudes were with pretty girls. I used to resent the fact that he got a chance to move up, but not anymore. Now when I see an ugly dude with a girl I’d fuck, I smile, because he’s a sign that I can get a girl much prettier than I am handsome with a fraction of the effort. If all those regular local dudes can date up, that means I can do the same.

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The G Manifesto
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I will add one:

Riga, Latvia: guys with insanely fly girls that would get blanked in Southern California.

“the power of the local dating market”

I really think this is one of the hugest factors out there.

Once your Game is top notch, this is going to play a huge roll.

However, it is only one factor.

Riga, Latvia, for instance, I didn’t find easy at all.

Although sometimes I wonder if I went to a different “Riga, Latvia” that some others have been. Some guys say there are tons of prostitutes there. I think I got solicited only once my entire stay.

– MPM

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your ugly non aryan fuckwit needs a wash

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In Italy, I think it depends on where you go. If you stay away from touristy cities where you hear lots of English and will find lots or Americans like Venice, Rome, Milan, and especially Florence (a haven for American fatties) what you’re saying is true. Rome and Milan are a little weird due to all of the money and European foreigners there. If you go some place smaller and less touristy like Verona or in the real country where they rarely see Americans like Trento or something, you’ll start to see hotties with total betas. Also, you really do need to be able to speak a little bit of Italian if you’re going to game in Italy.

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Interesting observation, I think I’ll have to employ this “test” when abroad the next time.

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Roosh, could you expand a little on what underlying factors might cause a given country’s sexual market to be skewed in favor of men. There are plenty of men in Brazil and Poland. Why do you say that in both of those countries, “women don’t have a good selection of men”?

Is it a question of male/female ratio?

Is it a question of income and level of feminist development, ie the status of high-earning males who are not alcoholic is much higher in places like Brazil and Poland than in countries like Denmark, where the welfare state substitutes for high-earning men?

As a Jew, I’ve often wondered why my people ever left the beautiful and mellow Mediterranean to move to godforsaken places like Russia and Poland. I believe I have the real answer now!

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Montreal. Saw lots of same-height couples there, and very cute girls, but the dudes have more swagger.

I met a successful male dancer once, who’d instruct girls by the thousand. He said a little town called Trois Riviere in Canada was the best he’d ever seen.

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How’s the particular case of Bogotá, Colombia?

Leo
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I’m having a hard time in Bogotá, Colombia with decent game… (Flakey girls)

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Poor countries seem to have ugly guys.

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Let me tell you something about Spain.

Here we have a combination of catholic tradition and feminist bullshit combined at the same time. Quality scorts from other countries are available at competitive prices and are not illegal.

But let me tell you something I experimented myself. Visiting prostitutes improved my game. I know it sounds counterproductive and could make no sense for you. But, for me, it helped me a lot in the beginning.

To score 9s and 10s, you need a ton of PATIENCE (as well as game, of course). So at first, when it’s time to ‘fake ’till you make it’, buying sex with high class scorts teaches not to be impressed by beauty and having my sex needs met (but if you are not cautious, you can fall in the trap of pedestalizing pussy since you’re paying for it).

Just my two cents.

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I curse the day my ancestors came to America. It began a chain of events that inexorably led to me going through my life considering myself a loser. I wished they’d just stayed in Russia and toughed it out for 100 years :bigsmile:

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I’ll keep an eye out for this while I’m walking around in Toronto.
To be honest I’ve seen some decent looking guys with some fat ugly girls here, that doesn’t bode well….

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6,7. I did very well in Bogota. I have banged 4 girls in about three weeks I have been here. Morover they were hotter then what I could get back home. I do speak perfect spanish though so my game is pretty tight here. They do flake more but are a lot easier to game, guys here are Betas to the point that girls talk about how much they suck.

Good luck

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Hmph. I was recently in Poland and I agree with your observation about busted dudes. It really reaches incredible levels there, and not just in looks but also in pathetic beta behavior. However, I wasn’t able to score with a Polish girl, just an Australian one who was travelling like me. Still, it’s a good test.

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This is the bright side of having learned and improved game in a city like D.C. I know that anywhere else I go it can’t really be much worse, and my game will almost always take me to heights I’d never experience at home. I get a taste of this every time I take a vacation somewhere else and come home with a few new notches.

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“Game doesn’t help a whole lot if there is a surplus of dudes and a shortage of beautiful girls. You’ll do what I did in Denmark and waste it on 5s and 6s for one-night stands that make you feel shitty the next day. You’ll do what I have done in Washington DC and carry the Britannica of game on your back just to get with 7s. Please don’t repeat my mistakes and spend months or years in places where the environment is working against you every time you walk out the door.”
Truth..while living in such a harsh environment may improve your game. Why waste precious time such a place?

“You can even use the busted dudes test within your own country to pick which city to live in. While Washington DC is horribly tilted against men, how about New York City, Austin, or Charlotte? If your only determinant of where to live is the “job market,” your dick is going to hate you.”
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Krauser proposed the female looks vs male looks couples comparison as a benchmark for Game.

If a guy dates up, his game is good. If a guy dates down, his game sucks.

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What a genius

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A few years back, before I had solid game I laid a local Spanish girl in San Sebastian(north of Spain). I always had more confidence and charisma when traveling abroad so I still did decent when overseas.

It took what I thought was an eternity at the time, 4 nights and a several cases of blue balls but I got the flag. I am going to say that the strong religious foundations and the close knit family plays a very strong factor so a lot depends on getting lucky and finding the right girl.

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Wow, great point.

Eastern Europe & Asia for the win!

Manhattan: Lots of hotties running around, but very rare to see couples. Couples are usually older. Even for dudes dressed with money, it’s very rare to see them with a girl. Usually see them with an older, gold-digger type. The average couple is an average dude with an average to chubby girl.

Austin: dick central.

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I gotta cosign Montreal. I saw straight up herbs with top shelf bitches. It was like bizarro America.

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I’ve often thought about how all the decent guy with fugly girl couples were a consequence of the low quality of American women, but I never thought of it this way. Excellent idea.

About the shitty girls in DC.
At my university, two graduate programs send a predominant number of their graduates to DC, Public Policy & Environment. The girls in these programs also have the most skewed perception of their own desirability. These girls will be 5’3″ 140lbs, and wear flip flops 24/7. But they expect a man who is 6’2″, in shape and dresses well.

The graduate program with the cutest girls who have the most realistic understanding of their own looks sends most of its graduates to rural areas. Over 90% of these girls are at least cute, and are the feminine wifey types.

DC gets our shit. Anytown, USA gets the gold.

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I know just about all of us, when seeing a fat/ugly dude with a honey, would say to ourselves, “he must have a lot of money.” I never thought about other reasons for it, but the factors illustrated make some sense. Women will make due with what is available, and if something better/different rolls in, even temporarily, someone will respond to it.

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“I gotta cosign Montreal. I saw straight up herbs with top shelf bitches. It was like bizarro America.”

My question is this:

Does this help you if you are weesh?

Does it hurt you if you are smooth?

Or vice versa?

– MPM

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Countries that have a lot of gender equality tend to allow for the economic advancement of women.

Once women are able to get their own dough, they don’t need to bother as much to make themselves look better in order to get a guy with a decent income. Countries like Brazil, for example, will have a lot of unemployed women or women in shit service jobs so they have to look good to get a guy with a little cash, often at the expense of looks.

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I can honestly say that this was the best piece I’ve read from you yet. You hit it, spot on. No bs, no bragging, no silly slang – just the straight and level. Your analysis of the foreign markets you noted is about the same as mine. When I get off a plane, the first thing I look for is the quality of women, and then who they are with. There are few better experiences for the seasoned traveler than walking down the street and seeing some stunner in a cafe, sitting with Frankenstein. It is a thing of pure beauty. The only thing better would be to see a local man treating a woman like shit – and watching her take it. In a market like that, just behaving like a decent human being puts you in the top of the gene pool, not to mention the dating pool.

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One reason for such mismatches is the trend in some culture to marry your high school sweethearts. Chicks never get to breakup and upgrade for the dude who can afford the designer clothes.

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I’ll back up George on Austin being a sausage-party.

But there are a couple of different dating subcultures that each have a different gender ratio. There are the fratty UT folks that stayed in town after graduation. Guys and girls seem evenly matched with the girls being boring-hot and the guys being pretty douchey but also probably handsome in a Jersey Shore sort of way. Then there is the hipsters who typically work service sector here for a couple of years before blowing through their parents’ money. There might actually be more hipster girls than guys since you certainly see hot hipster girls with doofus hipster guys. And then there’s the professional/transplant scene which is an absolute sausage-fest.

So you probably don’t need money to be socially successful here (in fact, flaunting wealth is looked down on). But you do need a certain social capital. I suspect if you come down here aimless, work in a service sector job, you could do okay. Or if you have Texas connections. But if you come here to work tech or go to grad school in a guy-dominated field, you’re going to have a very hard time.

Austin has a reputation for having a lot of hot girls, but I think it might just be who tourists run into (hot waitresses and hot college students on Sixth).

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This is terrible. You sound like you are admitting that you are a busted beta who has to go where there are other busted betas in order to pick up decent looking women.

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ingenius and original post.

it’s great when Roosh harnesses the powers of science for evil not good.
and gives the findings in layman’s terms.

or un-laid men’s terms.

very observant.

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Toronto is hard to pin down. There are a lot of dumpy women, but the couples seem to be close to even. If anything, it goes both ways here. Making me think it’s the guys who have poor game vs. the girls who are too picky (I know lots of both).

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Roosh, et al., my company is considering throwing me into Phnom Penh, Cambodia for a couple of years… I’ve never been to Asia, and although I don’t have yellow fever, I do see some real beauty in East Asia. I’m white and a polyglot, so the language won’t take long to learn. Anyone have any hints, tips or suggestions about living in East Asia?

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@ Girl from Woodbridge

If you aren’t ugly/fat and don’t wear flip flops we can hang out.

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I’m a polish female and to be honest…

I know exactly what you mean by “sloth faced men”

But I find them really really hot and sexy. They are so manly smile

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Austin seems great at first, but it’s pretty fucking bad. For every 1 hot girl, there are 4 overweight, ugly or bitchy friends that followed them here because “it’s such a great city!”. Not to mention the widespread mindset of “keep Austin weird” leads people to try and look or dress uniquely or unconventionally, which basically means trying to out ugly each other. I’ve never seen so many girls with short hair that dress like dudes or are just complete bitches. Also there are a ton of dudes here, thanks to the proximity to military bases, high number of universities and just the knowledge that Austin is the best party town around.

On the flipside, you can do well here if you are willing to put in serious amounts of work, but it’d be better served in an actual metropolis like Chicago, DC or New York.

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@32

Obviously, you are busted, just look at yourself. You’re easily one of the ugliest people I’ve ever seen. I know you’re not dating any better than a 2 no matter what country you’re in. Talk about delustional.

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Re: Austin, the attractiveness ratio in couples is pretty even here across the social spectrum. Every once in a while I’ll see some fug dude with a hot girl, but it’s few and far in between.

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IMO, the secret to getting a hot girl is not pickup per se.

The times I’ve seen hot girls with regular guys is when they met through a social circle. It’s like someone said about high school sweethearts. If a higher value girl hasn’t had her ego ratcheted up by clubbing and drinking every week, and you’re in her circle, it’s exponentially easier to game her and get her.

When you’re in her social circle, the default assumption is that you’re of equal value. Run tight game, and your value rises. This is immediately and abundantly apparent in say, college Greek life. If you’re both in top houses, her shield will be a lot lower.

Compare with approaching her elsewhere: you’re just another speck in a huge throng of dongs. You’re swimming with your legs tied. Even with tight game, you’re starting at a disadvantage.

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Only thing I would caution is assuming chicks are “with” a dude just cuz they are standing near each other. I find that guys way to often assume their way out of eligible women. If they aren’t touching or making out assume single and take a shot

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Pot Kettle Black?

You’re either a troll or delusional — borderline retarded.

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@39
Roosh V is ugly — even troll’s have 20/20 eyesight. IQ is 142 — hardly retarded.

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You jackasses ought to spend as much of your time worrying about serious stuff and not what makes americant whores, like the whore from Woodbridge, tick. This site is entertaining, alot of insight into how neurotic americants are.

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@ G manifesto
I think being smooth never hurts it will put you ahead of the “competition” in Montreal. I think dudes up there don’t appreciate how good they have it.

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London – struggled like a dog and dated girls below me.

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Epic post! You seem to be coming to all the same conclusions that I have. Game is really just teaching beta males how to fake being alpha. But it really doesn’t work and also it’s hard to be someone you are not for a long period of time. As a beta I would rather just go somewhere and find girls that genuinely like betas. Hard to find here but there has got to be a few cities…

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Regarding other reader’s comments about male/female ratio:

I think the absolute male/female ratio is useless when it comes to gauging the mating market because of the paradox of female hypergamy.

I was born and raised near San Francisco California, and never realized how bad it was there for PUA until I moved to Tucson Arizona during college. I was never an alpha, but I wasn’t a hopeless beta either. I was somewhere in between, I had some game, but needed to improve it with more practice. My game improved dramatically when I moved to Tucson.

You would think with so many gays in San Fran, the male/female ratio skewing would favor males, but it doesn’t. That’s because the absolute ratio isn’t really a big factor. Women are hypergamous by nature. On average, 70% of the women want to date 30% of the top men. Losing 5-10% of the male population to homosexuality from the bottom of the pack doesn’t really alter the overall mating market for women, because they don’t even consider those guys part of the mating pool.

The best indicator for gauging the mating market is to look for the presence and strength of hypergamy. In countries/cultures/cities, etc where hypergamy is discouraged (women are encouraged or pressured into marrying young), male/female ratio is even, the mating market is favorable for men. In places where it is acceptable for women to delay marriage, hypergamy is strong, and the mating market is bad for men.

Always remember this: if 5 women were given the choice of being single for a longtime, but having a small chance of marrying a top dog among themselves (meaning they’ll have to share him over time), vs being married to a lowly beta but guaranteed to have their own man, 3 out of 5 women would pick option 1. They would prefer to stay single and wait for their turn instead of going for the sure thing.

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This is probably the most sensible game advice I’ve ever read. Where you are makes a massive difference. The only point I’d disagree with is saying Thais are average looking. Bangkok has some of the hottest women on the planet. I’m guessing roosh isn’t into Asian chicks.

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Salt Lake City:

Busted dudes, massive surplus of hot chicks. Your opponents are mormon boys who wouldn’t know assertiveness if it bit them on the ass.

West valley, places like the Busy bee or even southern exposure, even the downtown park during drum circle on sundays. You can bang ANY girl you want to, be she mormon, married, single, whatever.

Massive beta surplus. and there are not quite as many penalties as gaming someplace like DC or Maryland.

If anyone is gonna visit Salt Lake (Not park city) for hunting purposes, drop me a line… I can hook you up with a list of good day gaming spots (There’s very little night game out here)and places to avoid.

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“For two months in Denmark I banged the ugliest chicks I have in years”

During the last 10 years or so mass immigration from more favorable places has improved the selection pool considerably in the big cities of Western Europe. Sure they’re not easy, because they know their local value, but did you only go after ethnic Danish chicks then? Or is Denmark an ugly exception?

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Oh, and Provo. holy SHIT what a market. I see John Candies around constantly with good 8’s. BYU is highly femcrazy, but that means that they are on the prowl constantly for alphas… just be careful, because condom-needling and other batshit plans for forcing marriage are common as dirt. Use a fake name and hide your used condoms.

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Good post Roosh, very true, and straight to the point.

“Game doesn’t help a whole lot if there is a surplus of dudes and a shortage of beautiful girls. You’ll do what I did in Denmark and waste it on 5s and 6s for one-night stands that make you feel shitty the next day. You’ll do what I have done in Washington DC and carry the Britannica of game on your back just to get with 7s. Please don’t repeat my mistakes and spend months or years in places where the environment is working against you every time you walk out the door.”

This pretty much sums up my life right now, in the small NorCal town I’m in. Girls that are 6’s act like they are 8’s and girls who are 8’s think they’re fucking perfect 10 models. Sometimes I feel like me and my boys are working like dogs, just for measly scraps ( in the form of girls in the 5-7 range). I like to try to keep standards for looks up, but it’s hard to do, if you want to get laid regularly, and don’t have a LTR. I need to get the fuck out of here, and onto greener pastures.