Because you were likely born after the sexual revolution, you may not realize that so much of your reality is nudging you towards casual sex. From the sexual stimuli you perceive in a normal day out in the city to the specific venues you frequent where casual sex can be quickly achieved, you are constantly being funneled into desiring shallow intimacy. Many corporate industries and globalized forces are controlling this funnel, which all depend on you believing that having a “sex life” is one of the most important features of your existence.
You’ve likely purchased products and services from internet websites. From your perspective, the process is easy and seamless: you’re presented with images, videos, a sales page, and an easy checkout process. Behind the scenes, however, the owners of a website have done extensive A/B testing to maximize sales. Changing the color of the font, presenting the product within a different layout, or tweaking upsell offers are all factors that go into an optimized sales funnel. The same thing is happening to us in society. Engineers and scientists have done countless A/B tests to drive “sales,” which in their case is non-reproductive sex that damages an individual’s ability to reproduce in the future.
When a man starts his day, he begins seeing women in revealing clothing on his way to school or work. If a woman is wearing yoga pants, he may even be able to identify the shape of her labia, and imagine it in the nude. This is a surefire method to rouse up sexual desire and keep it there. He then spends hours in a co-ed university or workplace that further amplifies sexual thoughts. During breaks, he uses his smartphone to observe more sexy women on social networking or on articles that need his clicks to sell advertisements.
To relieve stress at the end of the day, he seeks an alcoholic drink or two in the bar, where there are loose women who are quite willing to give up immediate sex if he’s able to turn them on. In the case he fails to score with a woman, there will be dating apps for him to use. Even more potent is the unlimited free porn that can serve as a masturbatory aid in relieving the sexual tension, but which feeds the sex urge further. The cycle will repeat the next day.
The Casual Sex Funnel For Men: Surplus sexual imagery that excites (online and offline) → Co-ed spaces that keep the mind on sex → Alcoholic venues or apps that allow potential fulfillment of sexual desire → Act of casual sex or using free hardcore porn to keep the desire inflamed
The funnel for a woman is different: it doesn’t sell her the prospect of sex as much as fulfilling her desire to appear beautiful or sexy to the multitude. It begins in the shopping mall, the fashion magazine, Facebook, and Instagram, where she is bombarded with images of beautiful women who seem to be happy and desirable while exhibiting trendy mannerisms and wearing fashionable clothing and makeup.
When a woman wakes up, she picks out an outfit from her closet that was sold to her as something that would garner sexual attention from men. On her way to school or work, she morphs—even in a subtle way—into a sexual weapon that excites men, which is exciting to her initially, but as she enters adulthood, she becomes numb to affections from men she deems as “average.”
During the day, she snacks on Instagram and other dating apps, trying to get the attention of a higher standard of man that doesn’t seem to give her attention in real life. In school or work, she competes with other attractive women and gets annoyed at the ugly men who flirt with her. She also gives positive signals to the good-looking men she hopes will validate her, and when that fails, she goes to the bar or club to drink with her girlfriends, but only “losers” talk to her. She wonders why Eric from last week didn’t text her back. Wasn’t the blow job she gave him on the first date good enough? She goes home, takes off her yoga pants, which are now imbued with vaginal sweat, and eats a little bit more than her appetite demands, ensuring that she gains weight and is required to buy more expensive products in the hope that she will still feel attractive.
The Casual Sex Funnel For Women: Buying commercial products that make men desire her → Co-ed spaces that keep her aching to score the best men → Venues or apps that give her access to good-looking men who don’t want to commit to her → Act of casual sex or using alcohol, food, social media, and pills to relieve the pain of not being with a man who loves her
Consider the industries that are an integral component of the casual sex funnel for both men and women:
- Nightclub and bar industry
- Sex toys and lubricants
- Birth control
- Antibiotics (for sexually transmitted diseases)
- Dermatology and plastic surgery
- Fashion and clothing
- Female magazines and websites
- Pop music
- Dating apps
- Social networking
- Processed foods and ice cream
- Boutique cats and toy dogs
- Entertainment and other media options designed for barren women
- Marketing for all of the above
Tinder alone, which is just one app in the entire funnel, is slated to earn over $1 billion this year, almost entirely from men in a state of loneliness or lust. When all the above industries are combined, there are hundreds of billions of dollars dependent on you consenting to casual sex and then spending money and attention on the paraphernalia that is associated with it. If casual sex were eliminated today, most of these industries would drastically contract or go bankrupt. At the minimum, they wouldn’t be such an integral driver of the culture that uses the natural sex urge to manipulate both men and women.
Most people are blind to how their behavior is impacted by the casual sex funnel, but it is affecting them every hour of every day. The funnel’s effectiveness is proved by the fact that most people today believe that casual sex is acceptable, or at least not immoral, when that simply wasn’t the case fifty years ago. In essence, you are being stuffed through a cultural grinder that parts with your money, time, youth, and ability to meaningfully bond with someone of the opposite sex. During the whole ride through, you genuinely believe you are acting on your own volition in a “biological”, “scientific”, or “evolutionary” way, when in actuality the casual sex seed was artificially amplified in your psyche through a relentless barrage of social engineering.
The biological sex urge is strong, but it is certainly being manipulated in ways that take you away from the reason we have it in the first place: to bond with one person to create a family. Instead, you have come to overvalue a purely physical act that even the stupidest, most braindead animals are capable of doing. The guilt, frustration, and dissatisfaction that are created from committing acts of casual sex merely keep you in the funnel, thinking that more of it is what will satisfy you.
When you fail at the game of using sex to achieve happiness, and you will fail at it, the pharmaceutical, alcohol, and food industries will be there to soothe your pain. While those of the elite profit off of your manipulated sex drive, the unseen super-elite watch the population suffer from sterility and atomization to achieve their ultimate goal of human control, and the benefits you perceive from “free” sex turn out to be anything but.
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I came across a woman over 2 yrs ago, who still lived with her parents.
She’s is now pregnant with our 2nd child.
Every evening, in my front porch, I looked up to heavens, and fill my inner self, with hope for the future.
Thanks, for all you done roosh.
Not easy to do. Good work.
If you came “across” her, the how did she become pregnant?
NOTHING in this Article is valid for 2020 and forward!
Please. Every one. THINK.
1- Marriage is one of the WORST contracts (2nd only to Military) that you can destroy your life with. It does NOT provide or guarantee you ANYTHING. It is complete and utter RISK without Reward. This is NOT going to improve. Divorce can KILL or IMPRISON you.
2- This Roo$h trend of “return to the old days” is INSANE. You cannot recapture loyalty, honesty and moral purpose in our technocratic global toilet. Tattooed, bitchy, sloppy-fat pigs are not going to correct the “errors of their ways” – Angelic, loving. mothers of your children? That ship has sailed forever!
3- Hypergamy is ENHANCED by eliminating heterosexual choice. Marriage in Asia and and India particularly are BRUTAL socio-economic alliances that find most overworked men visiting dwindling numbers of whorehouses or sex industry distractions just for a little relief. It is HELL It is a TRAP.
4- In the western world world it is even WORSE. All the “free sex” is not so “free”. In fact heterosexual sex is STILL covered in a weird Puritanical veil
that deprives a man of ANY real choice. From illegal “trafficking” to MeToo FAKERY any attempt at sexual request is a POTENTIAL crime.. and geniuses,… that INCLUDES your fantasy marriage!
5- Porn and casual sex do NOT lead to impotence. Nor does being an CELIBATE LOSER make you a sexual stallion.
6- The satanic UNITED NATIONS is already using the EXCUSE of EQUALITY and SUSTAINABILITY to crack down on ALL heterosexual sex. They want COMPLETE CONTROL of reproduction and marriage. They pay shills like Angelina Jolie and Gal Gadot to happily promote LGBTQ+2 as a “positive alternative”. Are you dumb enough to fall for that?
7- As a MAN seeing “vaginal-sweat-encrusted yoga pants” on a hot chick or on/in Adverts does NOT over-stimulate me, depress me, or make me ‘unable to perform’ . Actually I truly ENJOY seeing vibrant women in various stages of sexiness. Take Note- The great art of Greece, Rome and the Renaissance is what? ..That’s right,.. BEAUTIFUL NAKED WOMEN.
Lastly, before Patriarch Roo$h deletes this…. the final point is -I-, as a man, will CHOOSE, based on MY personal judgement when, how, and with what women I have sex or romance with. It’s up to ME and my girl. No government. No religion. No social fakery. No rules!
Reader- THINK- Today every sexual deviant & global minority is being SUPPORTED and essentially PAID to sire illegimate children and/ or relations…. but as a White Christian Man I am supposed to return to the days of Victorian prudery backed up by a tyrannical worldwide Police State seeking to fault me for trying?!
NO fucking way.
I agree 100%.
Back when I first discovered Roosh (he was my introduction to game), countless men were frustrated by the complete and utter lack of female choice in their lives due to lack of game. This was my first intro to the idea of “sexual strategy” and how women naturally exercise choice and power in relationships (because they are the selectors).
Getting married in the west is like cutting off both your arms and legs before a fight hoping your opponent will not take advantage of your compromised position. It is shutting your eyes to go back into the matrix, and is antithetical to the idea of “red pill.” Ironically, the “god pill” brings us back into the same position of lack of female choice and no answer for the divorce courts. So we are back where we started.
“Every revolution evaporates and leaves the slime of a new bureaucracy” – Franz Kafka.
You sir are a brainwashed fool! Yes we can go back, been married for 17 years to a stay at home wife who has rejected the trappings of modern feminism. In fact, there are a lot of old fashion women still and your disdain for marriage is in my opinion probably brought on by your 5th point. Porn and modern society has brainwashed you and the fact that you believe porn is a good thing proves it. You fulfill yourself with bimbos on a screen instead of seeking out real love and life, that sir is a sad ass way to live.
So your message is “man up and get married.” Where is your actual counter argument to his points though? How is the legal institution of marriage not an insane one-sided contract?
It’s interesting that both tradcons such as yourself and feminists share one goal in common: shaming men into an obviously bad deal in legal marriage.
It’s also interesting that your argumentative tactics are the same. “You are a brainwashed fool who watches too much porn.” I have heard feminists argue in the exact same way. Because it’s to their benefit. Feminists love spending their most fertile years and early 20s banging strange cock, and then magically pretending to find Jesus in 30s where they can find a naive blue pill beta in the church.
Here is a link to an image of well known pornstar “Sasha Grey” who now believes that pre-marital sex is a sin:
That’s convenient! Now that she’s had her fun, she’s suddenly a traditional woman. Jesus saves and forgives all!! I guess you CAN turn a ho into a housewife after all!!!!
Here is a clip of another pornstar who gave up porn at the precise time when she was hitting the wall:
Some beta with no game wifed up a pornstar. I’ve seen this in my own life, and almost without exception, they’re religious blue pill betas with no game to speak of, and no understanding of the true nature of women. Almost without exception, they have little to no sexual experience before marriage – they believe pre-marital sex is a sin.
Ironically, your advice to “man up and marry” actually benefits/serves sluts and the feminine imperative.
P.S. Just because your marriage has lasted 17 years doesn’t mean that’s even remotely typical for most people. Furthermore, you’re not necessarily out of the woods yet. Divorce can still happen to you. “Grey divorce” is a real and growing phenomenon, since there is a growing “divorce” industry, and messages to men from books/movies such as “Eat, Pray, Love” that tells them that divorce is a great idea. Remember the vast majority of divorces are initiated by women.
Instead of telling men who accurately and soberly assess the risks that they’re “brainwashed fools” how about explaining how they can lower/mitigate their risks?
That is indeed a photo of Sasha Grey. It’s the cover of Vice Magazine’s book from 2009, where they dressed her like a “good girl” because it was hilarious.
However the quote is obviously a fake one. A text search for it only returns a handful of meme sites. Earliest occurrence I could find of that quote attached to the photo, was on Imgur in 2014.
Indeed, man up and marry. It’s typical for most normal men and women to seek marriage, which is not a one-sided contract. You’ve been duped.
Logical man assesses risk, acts in self-interest; everyone applauds.
Woman assesses risk, acts in self-interest; man downthread says “repeal women’s right to vote and hit women to keep them in line.”
Do you see the problem here?
At least feminists aren’t this blatantly hypocritical.
Cool story, bro.
@Anti-Gnostic Rock That’s some solid logic that would make a male feminist proud. Logical errors you made:
1. Argumentum ad populum: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum
2. Asserting conclusion without reasons or argument.
By your logic, since we should follow what is typical for “most normal” people to do, it’s also completely fine that:
a. Most “normal” people have large amounts of consumer debt and are completely unable to save even 10% of their income for retirement. They live paycheck to paycheck, and even in the most optimistic scenarios, they will not be able to retire until 65. Which IMO is way too old to enjoy whatever money you’ve accumulated in your life.
b. Most “normal” people are not entrepreneurial.
c. The average wedding in the US costs over $25,000.00. Most “normal” people go into debt to finance their special wedding day.
d. Most “normal” people in the US are overweight, have terrible nutrition, and almost never lift or exercise.
I could go on and on. But it’s very interesting that you’ve chosen to count yourself among “typical normal people.” Odds are, if you are married, and follow the typical normal people advice, it’s likely that points (a) to (d) above are applicable to you as well.
What’s more, an estimated 75% of Americans identify as Christian. Studies also show that the highest rates of divorce are actually in the bible belt states. Which is another fun stat about what people consider normal.
Appealing to what is typical for “normal people” isn’t the best direction you could’ve taken your argument. But yeah, good thing you’re not duped.
P.S. For some perspective, Jesus our lord and savior also never married. Jesus famously associated with sinners of his day, and specifically consorted with prostitutes. It’s very likely that Jesus had pre-marital sex and banged women all day errday David Koresh style. If it’s good enough for the Son of Man, it’s also good enough for me.
“It’s very likely that Jesus had pre-marital sex and banged women all day errday David Koresh style.”
LOL. That is fake.
“Appealing to what is typical for “normal people” isn’t the best direction you could’ve taken your argument.”
you are actually wrong and gave examples without proper research actually what he says is good .
Sure thing “Andy” an entirely brand new person whose first comment is this one.
Anti-Gnostic and Marriageoverporn didn’t provide any sources/research. Just insults accusing anyone who disagrees of being a brainwashed porn watcher. Which is the same tactic that feminists use. And yet, you’re still on board with their poor reasoning. Way to be consistent!
1. The average American has significant debts.
2. Almost 80% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck:
3. Entrepreneurs are in the minority.
4. Average wedding cost in America:
5. The vast majority of Americans are overweight or obese.
6. 75% of Americans identify as Christian
7. Divorce rates are higher in “Bible belt” states in the US.
The research shows what normal people do.
All change must first come from a deep inner desire and awakening. Roosh has seen through the masquerade and can only share his insights in the hope that more will see the truth and desire for a change. I believe this change is possible cause it arises from the dissatisfaction with the present state of things. The dysfunctional state of our present culture is doomed and will be replaced with something new. We are the ones who must be on the forefront of what will take its place.
Military contracts may be bad, but at least the sacrifice is voluntary and a traditionally masculine thing to do and the veterans are treated with respect by most of society still, on the other hand veteran (men) of marriages, well you know the story. So we can safely conclude, marriage contract in the Anglo-sphere is the worst contract on Earth.
I wish there were easy answers to this. I grew up in an almost extreme version of the opposite of this new hell that Roosh describes which had its own hellish qualities — a nearly puritanical pre-internet pre-smartphone culturally Christian conservative environment. The hottest girls went to church and expected nothing less than for you to have a meaningful college degree and a job that paid generously before you could have any reasonable credibility with them (from a romantic perspective). Alternatively, you would find your future wife in college who expected that you were going find a great job after graduating. There was an expectation that you were going to be a virgin & she was going to be a virgin (or had very very few partners). People went to a regional Christian college, got married, the wife stayed home & cranked out kids, the husband went to work in a miserable factory somewhere, everyone got fat, had their annual summer vacation somewhere, and maybe put the family in a van for a road trip to Florida for spring break. It was a world of endless social manipulations, because you were supposed to care what everyone else thought of you & live through the morality and approval of others. If you deviated from what everyone else was doing, something was wrong with you – you were not “right with the Lord”, you were under suspicion of homosexuality if you were not talking about banging pussy or obsessing over girls when you were with your circle of friends. Surely the Great Roosh is not advocating a return to this system from the days of old, which had is own hellish qualities?
If you could see how bad it is out there in the modern world, you’d realize that what you are describing is very desirable by comparison. It sounds like you might be a little older than the average reader, probably not out there in “the game” anymore, probably not trying to find a future wife, not competing for entry level jobs, not in the modern social milieu. It’s probably been decades since you’ve set foot on a college campus or in a nightclub. I’ve heard a lot of boomers condemn the fifties using the exact language you did. They think that excessive freedom is somehow better than everyone being on the same page, but it’s almost always because they are out of touch with how bad modernity has gotten. They already have their wife, their house in the suburbs, their children, and their retirement package, and they simply don’t care to know how hellish the world they are leaving behind is going to be for their grandchildren.
There is no utopia on this earth but social unity and some degree of conformity and normalcy under a strict set of moral guidelines is a far better option than the carnival of perversities we find ourselves immersed in today. You complain that women wanted men with a solid future? Why should they choose losers who will be poor all their lives due to their own defective choices? It’s like women complaining about men who want a chaste wife who will be good at cooking and raising children. Those things are desirable on a personal level, and they make for a better society on the whole.
So I take it you really have no idea what I’m talking about since you did not grow up in what I describe? You only know that what we are living in is bad (and I agree with you) and there has got to be something better? Yes I am in the game and very much interested in a future wife – but its all the more difficult knowing what I grew up with AND how bad it is now. All I’m saying is that, while what I grew up might be *somewhat* better, it was filled with its own vast system of manipulations, control and lies, people angling and posturing to be superior to everyone else & putting on a good show in front of certain people, while out of sight beyond prying eyes engaging in a lot of the same talk and behavior that we have in front of us every day.
Yea buddy, Roosh Is telling everyone to go back to some weird Protestant/Evangelical community where you obviously failed. *sigh* When roosh announce this new change, it really did show how low-iQ and NPC most of his readers were; It was a litmus test.
The problems you describe are NATURALLY going to happen to any community larger than a dozen people, that is human nature. To keep a good community, everyone has to work in order for it not to degrade to something negative.
“If you deviated from what everyone else was doing, something was wrong with you – you were not “right with the Lord”, you were under suspicion of homosexuality if you were not talking about banging pussy or obsessing over girls when you were with your circle of friends”
Oh, you mean exactly how now in our decadent society, if you dont believe in GloboHomo, you’ll be shamed, ostracised, possibly fired from your job, etc etc? Oh gee, very great insight there.
I swear some of you have room-temperature IQ. or perhaps it’s just stubborn boomer thinking.
I don’t think that’s why he’s saying if anything it should help us to realize these things one of the many reasons I avoid bars and clubs for the most part now especially the ones geared at casual sex or where men are charged covers and women aren’t, sure sign.
Love the analogy of the litmus test. I was so happy and relieved when I started reading Roosh’s updates. Remove the material layers of humans and I think it’s always been the same since we’ve been here…most of us are average, lots of us are followers and then there are those who gained power and control and intend to keep it that way (it’s mostly just a useless distraction for humankind) and lastly (few and far between) the thinkers who can see our existence on earth for what it is and eventually realize that you have an insane amount of control of your own life. We’re underground, but we’ve always been here.
Its not having to be good provider in your case that is the problem. But the social manipulation, lying and hypocrisy.
So in your world the problems were swept under the rug. Miserable factory jobs are definitely because of the inherent problems of modernity.
Everyone getting fat too. Speaks about unaddressed problems that lead to unhealthy lifestyles.
Unless a man’s heart is genuinely changed by the holy spirit. This may be what occurs.
I think there are plenty of godly communities that also dont fit your description. So there definitely is something wrong with what you experienced in your area.
You have no idea how good you had it. What are you even complaining about. Working in a miserable factory? Then quit and do what you like. Everyone got fat? Then don’t get fat. Endless social manipulation? Cut these people out of your life. So fucking easy things to fix and these have nothing to do with having a wife and kids. Yet I see you boomers always complaining about things like this. As if shit like this was unavoidable.
So Roosh, what do you recommend for young men to do ?
Answers will come in time.
Learn to control your desires, be the master, not the slave.
Avoid clubs, work out… go hiking, etc
– Lower your gaze in public.
– Limit your options.
– Quit Masturbation and Porn.
– Hold on for dear life to your Lord and put complete trust in him.
Nobody knows, we’re beyond the slippery slope and into a greased up garbage chute. There is no immediate clear escape and our situation now has all the subtlety of a prison rape. But that doesn’t change the fact that slavery to the current system is undesirable, unsustainable, and unfulfilling. Embracing being a slave as good because there is no immediate route to emancipation is bizarre. Before you can escape slavery you must recognize it. After many years of learning how to exploit the rules of the game, Roosh has arrived at the recognition stage. Only there can we hope find a way out.
And Roosh continues to lay out, in plain English, things I’ve observed and been afflicted by over the course of my life but have struggled to articulate.
My own upbringing was steeped in Vaishnav tradition. One of the lessons my father taught me from a young age, which has remained at the forefront of my thoughts over the years, is that a wise man will accept gold even if it’s covered in stool. This is expounded in the Srimad Bhagavatam (1.5.11):
“It is a qualification of the great thinkers to pick up the best even from the worst. It is said that the intelligent man should pick up nectar from a stock of poison, should accept gold even from a filthy place, should accept a good and qualified wife even from an obscure family and should accept a good lesson even from a man or from a teacher who comes from the untouchables.”
Lots of people coming around lately seeking to criticize and undermine on the basis that Roosh’s teachings have “changed,” or that they have grown from impurity. These are fools – slaves and addicts of material nature and gratification – who would sooner bury Truth in dung than see it washed clean.
Thanks, Roosh. Glad you found a purpose beyond yourself. I’m pulling for you to find a younger woman that wants kids.
This is why I stopped reading TRP over a year ago. There’s advanced levels after learning Game, and they involve a purpose for your life beyond your individual lifespan. Every one frothing at the mouth about MGTOW, don’t get married, lift bro, spin plates, etc. is pretty much a dead man walking no matter how hard he virtue signals in the manosphere.
They will return to the dust they came from, with nothing remaining of their genes, ideas, or property.
Nothing ever happens without taking a risk.
I would feel bad for whatever woman fell in love with Roosh or was foolish enough to have babies with him. No offense Roosh but you are not good husband and father material. Good husbands and fathers dont spend 20 years rootlessly travelling the world and fucking God knows how many women. It doesn’t make you a bad person. You just aren’t suited to domesticity. Hopefully you can come to terms with that without causing damage to yourself or others.
People can change through repentance and following God’s commands. If his path to salvation is through marriage he will make it with lots of patience, humility and self sacrifice.
People don’t change as much or often as religious people would have you believe. Especially when the change is ostensibly religious. Just like it would be wise for a man to be skeptical of a whore who had banged hundreds of bad boys conveniently finding God at 35 and wanting to get married and have a family, a great deal of skepticism would be warranted for an inveterate womanizer finally calling it quits and implying righteous motivation.
Maybe celibacy is for you. Once the intense physical desires of youth begin to wane, it is eminently feasible. Especially for those who prefer to live alone.
While these institutions never brainwashed me into the casual sex (or any premarital sex funnel), I am 100% guilty of being obsessed with fashion and makeup even though in my culture men like dressed down natural women. Same with my hometown in Canada, rarely do you see women wearing heels or dresses outside of bars and clubs. I can’t give that stuff up, it’s literally revolutionary and gives me immense motivation and increased self fulfillment. But, I never used them as tools to gain an upper hand in the casual sex funnel because I am 22 and never stepped foot in a bar or club. If anything, they are a hindrance to marriage (although perhaps not a happy marriage) because Jordanian men don’t like made up artificial women.
Why are you talking about female self over here. Be gone thot.
Casual sex only the cures the instantaneous self-pity symptom of modern humans.
Meanwhile their lifelong disease of not being able to contribute in a meaningful way keeps growing larger.
Eventually there will be a cleansing.
I’m beside myself with a few things about the overall movement to turn around clown world.
The first thing, which is literally never argued, but is undeniably true, is that men, overall, are the more attractive sex. Call me a homo, fag, in the closet, whatever, I’ve never done any gay shit and don’t plan to. Having said this, it’s absurd that the current narrative about the sexes props up the idea that men should be the ones pursuing women. If you took away sephora and the tens of thousands of hours of make-up tutorials on youtube, approximately 92% of women become invisible. In fact, if selling make-up wasn’t so lucrative, the powers that be could really accelerate their plan to turn every straight man gay. These are objectively true statements. I’m not exaggerating.
But what’s even more gaslighting, is the fact that most guys will acknowledge this, and yet they will still take on an obnoxious, condescending attitude when talking about women to other men. They’re such men, that they go out of their ways to talk shit online for hours, but would definitely adopt a more polite tone in person.
If we really want a solution, besides pick-up tricks, or attaining a high status job, or going our own way, white men have to get together, no matter how attractive, well-off, or successful with chicks, and give women an ultimatum which says, “become sane, or there will be consequences.”
I see it no other way. There will not be a change in direction unless white men are completely unified.
The progressive modern woman wants nothing less than absolute power, absolutely everywhere…and will use every subtle and not so subtle dirty trick possible to obtain that power and subjugate men (see Kavanaugh hearings & Roy Moore election….ie. the accusation industry). Kavanaugh basically had to cry like a baby and humiliate himself in order to get his job. Roy Moore’s main accuser (the yearbook lady) had her house burned down. As this world spirals further out of control and degenerates, I fear the consequences being along the lines that occurred to Moore’s accuser …or worse.
I grew up in Las Vegas with tons of glam and sexy looking women. Now I live in a smaller town and it is the exact opposite. None of the (non-hispanic white) women dress sexy or wear any makeup. I am shocked at how different women look without makeup…they look so much worse…downright scary to me and I can’t get over it. Yet that’s the real them. So I agree with a lot of what you are saying, most women are not as good looking as men imagine. A lot of it is an illusion via cosmetics.
A big part of the problem is beauty standards have changed so drastically in the past 20 years. The amount of makeup and cosmetic procedures and illusionary crap women dump on themselves today is quite startling in contrast to the beauty standards in the 90’s and further back where…less-was-better. The Instagram whores of today would have been laughed at and ridiculed into shame by most women in the 90’s. Most women highly valued a natural look. No fake tans, no fake eyebrows, no fake lashes, no gaudy jewelry, no prostitute looking dresses and yoga pants. The key was taking the best care of your natural assets to enhance them, rather than dumping piles of makeup, fake everything on top of a flawed canvass. If you had skin problems, you got professional skin care, ate a better diet and worked on your health. You did not dump obscene amounts of chemical laden makeup over a trainwreck of a face to hide it. You got rid of the trainwreck. Women would take extra care to exercise to develop slim and/or athletic bodies, not gain huge asses and hips. Most young women did not even dye their hair other than some tasteful highlights. Exercise and proper nutrition and natural spa treatments helped maintain a good skin complexion, youthful and healthy shiny hair. We did not dump chemicals and marketing gimmicks on ourselves to attain this. If your nutrition and exercise is optimal, your skin glows and you only need minimal natural makeup to just highlight what is already naturally radiant through good health. We wore modest clothing because a feminine silhouette in a classy draped fabric, with delicate feminine accessories is far more attractive and respectable than running around with your labia flapping in yoga pants and your tattooed tits falling out. This art of natural beauty was completely destroyed by the rise of the likes of the Kartrashians, fake asses, fake eyebrows, piles of chemicals and makeup,tattoos, plastic tits and fake everything. I remember seeing it all happening and being horrified and thinking my God what are these women doing to themselves? They are actually making themselves ugly. What man is going to want to see what she looks like in the morning or after a dip in the pool? All this did was create superficial, trend obsessed consumer debt slaves who were actually destroying their natural beauty instead of enhancing it. A woman should not NEED makeup to make her beautiful. She would take care of her skin, hair, figure and health and then use a little makeup to enhance her natural beauty created by her health and her youth. Natural color makeup that makes you youthfully glow and blush, not gaudy green nail polish with shoe polish groucho marx eyebrows and plastic skin foundation. She should only be showing her body to the man she is in a relationship with, not every man on the street. Social media, social engineering, Hollywood and the beauty industry have turned young women into gaudy, classless, insatiable robotic attention whores with no dignity and no moral compass. I have thought for years surely natural and feminine beauty will come back in style again one day, but I am starting to have my doubts. I see small groups of more “trad” women on social media, but many of them still struggle with not falling into the trap of too much makeup, fake lashes/brows and revealing clothes, because they simply were never taught anything else. I’ve seen men on these forums appreciate Eastern European women who have been shielded from the Kartrashian trends longer because of Communism. This is more the natural beauty that used to be everywhere. Sadly post communist westernization is turning some of these ladies into attention starved made up whores now too tho. Maybe us old broads need to get out there and create some femininity re-education camps or something to save these young women with our ancient wisdom. I don’t think there is a single Millennial woman out there who would know what the Vanderbilt Book of Etiquette is if she was hit over the head with it.
… and the average man’s physical abilities to negotiate the World better than most women while in itself may not be attractive, consider this: Take simple day to day activities like being able to go out to after dark alone, swat a spider that has encroached your living space, open that tight jam jar or lift and load that heavy luggage on to the roof rack and tie it down etc. etc. etc. For most women, these are mini-crises, and are helpless and are out looking for a beta to con or someone to hire someone to deal with. These are fully grown fat human adults who have lived and experienced life but exist like some handicapped retard or a dependent human child, all this while going around consuming stuff and yapping non-stop about inane things. and how men are useless! How contemptuously unattractive is that? Think about that.
Good article, but the elephant in the room is “family law” courts. You could marry a woman who may very well be virtuous in the beginning, but once she sees how those courts incentivize her to divorce, that virtue evaporates
That’s not virtue, that’s the exploitation of ignorance of the truth – which if anything would be best characterized as a state in which virtue has never been built.
The truth is that divorce does not benefit women in any but the most extreme of cases. A virtuous woman understands this.
Of course, there are many who value money and material lifestyle over godly living and will vehemently disagree with that statement… so is it any wonder that women are so easily enticed to divorce, when so many men believe the same lies used to entice them?
If you marry a woman who is virtuous, the greatest risk of divorce lies in neglecting or refusing to be a virtuous husband.
But you have to learn how to recognize virtue first. It’s not the same thing as just having a clean slate. Lots of people neglect to learn because they don’t want to have to measure themselves against it, and then get all indignant when it turns out that “never overtly evil before” isn’t the same as virtuous. (I learned that the hard way myself.)
The votes down come from men who find it difficult to be virtuous but expect their wives to be….
I don’t know what it says about me that the downvotes make me feel more smug and self-satisfied than the upvotes.
See, just look at all those downvotes… I know you guys secretly love me. <3
The downvotes comes from man who were EXTREMELY virtuous and were destroyed regardless.Keep coping with your “man who thinks divorce laws are unfair are trash”.
Here you’ve quoted something I never said, to argue against a position I’ve never held.
What I AM saying is this: walls of lies may crumble, but virtue does not evaporate.
I thought I had picked a virtuous man. I’d known him for years. We practically grew up together, we were each other’s firsts, and we were going to have a beautiful, traditional, humble rural life with a gaggle of kids. Four years in, he had consistently refused to consider living outside of the city, he wanted an open marriage, and he wanted me to take up stripping/pornography/prostitution to pay the bills because he wanted to live an extravagant lifestyle without having to work for it.
It has taken no small amount of deliberate self-checking and introspection to come to terms with the fact that he did not simply CHANGE overnight in the face of temptation. He had misrepresented himself and I had fallen for his lies, and if I go back and really look with a critical eye and the clarity of hindsight, the red flags are obvious. This has been confirmed MANY times over in conversations 10+ years later with people who knew him well from church, etc. I thought everyone would be as shocked as I was at the turn my marriage took… they weren’t.
Of the men I’ve known who were screwed over by women, most of them thought initially that these women had CHANGED since getting married – from being good/selfless people, into bad/selfish people. Talking to the friends and family members of these men tells an entirely different story – usually something along the lines of “we tried to warn him that we recognized her trajectory and saw this coming from miles away because of [series of egregiously UN-virtuous behaviors], but he wouldn’t listen because she was so [hot/sexy/ingratiating/etc.].” Guess that’s why they say love is blind.
Attack modern women for lacking virtue all you want, and I won’t argue with you. But painting VIRTUE ITSELF as a fickle and fleeting quality that simply “evaporates” in the face of temptation is foolhardy and disingenuous at best. At worst, it’s an attempt to justify un-virtuous behavior by arguing that virtue isn’t real anyway – and that’s an argument that plops you right in the middle of Satan’s toolbox.
Giime a break,it’s always the same bullshit,man date/marry women who latter on scrambles his life,and it’s always his fault for “not recognizing” virtue.Instead of blaming man for “not recognizing” virtue why don t women simple stop destroying men life in fake kangaroo courts.
Also,women keep most of the material things(including the house I Paid for it ALONE),wonder how thats not beneficial,hence the downvotes you received,nothing to be proud of.
Of the women I’ve known and esteemed as virtuous (not a ton of them, I’ll admit), those few who HAVE divorced did so for valid reasons and never used the courts to hurt or penalize the men they were leaving. More than one of these women has revealed to me that they were shocked and appalled by the “divorce culture” which tried to push them to do exactly that. The most common theme is “I consulted a lawyer just to make sure we had the paperwork filled out correctly, and he told me I should lie and claim abuse and go after him for everything I could get.”
These women didn’t cave to that pressure, because they understood the same thing I do: even if he was a lousy husband, taking any action to harm the father of my children WILL necessarily harm my children by extension. They would end up paying, in whatever roundabout way, for whatever resources I might have been able to extract from him – as well as whatever resources were squandered in the expense of the legal proceedings.
I just did a few quick calculations. For the years since our separation, my ex-husband is – technically, on paper – on the hook for somewhere in the neighborhood of $50k in child support. Even though we filed everything jointly and cooperatively, the court would not ALLOW ME to negotiate a lower monthly amount.
He kept the car, the apartment, and everything in it. I have never allowed the state to get involved in collecting payment. Every single payment he has made has been voluntary, and all told it’s probably less than $10k over five years. I’ve faced a lot of really harsh criticism from all directions, even been accused of disadvantaging my kids, for not going after him for the rest of it. But would it ACTUALLY be of benefit to ANYBODY if I did? No.
Don’t get me wrong, I could have done a LOT with an additional $40k over the last few years. But no amount of money could ever rebuild the portion of my children’s lives that I would have had to reduce to chaos and ruin in order to get it. Furthermore, no amount of money or material comfort or success could ever replace the respect that my children would rightfully lose for me if I did that.
The notion that women BENEFIT from opportunistically and unrighteously extracting resources from men through the family court system is belied by the fact that these women are universally wretched and miserable people.
These are not women who were at one point virtuous but whose virtue was overwhelmed by any actual concrete benefit of doing evil. These are women who are IGNORANT of the hard-and-fast truth that their unrighteous actions will, over the long-term, incur a cost exponentially greater than anything they stand to gain.
If those women are saved god will discipline them severely like he did king david for his adultery. And if not eternal hellfire.
@Kitty Tantrum: You talk about virtuous women, but understand this:
1. Female power lies in reproduction: the ability to create and nurture life with their bodies.
2. Male power lies in production: the ability to provide resources.
Society needs both reproduction and production to survive and flourish.
Production is at all time high. Thanks to technology (which is overwhelmingly the result of men’s production) we live longer, healthier and more convenient lives than any other time in history. Single mothers are no longer stigmatized, and thanks to taxation they have access to the welfare state ensuring their bastards can grow up with access to education and other state resources. Men are meeting the societal needs for production.
On the other hand, reproduction is falling rapidly in industrialized countries. The family unit is destabilized and it is women who initiate the vast majority of divorce.
So which sex is failing us as a species?
Are MEN the rightful leaders of our species, or aren’t they?
Who is leading the women to do this? Who is ALLOWING this to happen?
Who drove the peasant women from their homes and their villages and installed them in factories? Who provided the money to develop, subsidize, and champion their mass contraception?
Women? You really think this STARTED with WOMEN?
Do you believe that women are mighty enough to overthrow men? To maintain power and wreak havoc and destruction all on their own in the face of virtuous male opposition?
You give us far too much credit. It’s laughable.
The stance of blaming women for the fall of man must be built either upon the fallacious premise of gender equality – or upon the even more outrageous basis of female supremacy.
Eve herself did not wield that kind of power; she possessed a fatal weakness against one who possessed knowledge and power which she did not. Eve did not beguile Adam; she was the tool of the Serpent, who knew he could not stand directly against the virtue of God’s first earthly son. And Lucifer is also God’s SON – not his daughter.
That’s not to say that MEN should shoulder all of the blame, either. The truth is that we are, together, one and the same – parts of the same whole. The nature of the relationship between man and woman is such that we are meant to bear the blame equally. We are meant to be yoked together in penance and in service to God; that is made clear as the basis for marriage since Adam and Eve were kicked out of the garden.
For either the woman or the man to blame the other for their material plight is to sow and water the seeds of contention and war where God has demanded cooperation and peace.
The answer here is not to figure out which “side” is wronger and punish them (that’s for God to sort out in His own time) – the solution is to subvert the influence of evil by cooperation in accordance with God’s commandments.
You: Blames men for “allowing” women to destabilize families.
Also you: The answer is not to figure out which ‘side’ is more wrong and assign blame.
I’ll let the logic majors point out the inconsistency and self-defeating nature of your argument.
“The stance of blaming women for the fall of man”
Nope. Not blaming women for the “fall of man.” Simply pointing out how women are falling short on their end of the bargain (which is reproduction). Why is it that anytime anyone points out how women are falling short, the universal response is to blame men?
You ask who is ALLOWING women to do these things as if women don’t have moral agency or free will to make their own choices, and stand by the consequences of those choices. Do women have free will or not? Are women responsible for their own actions or not? Are women not using their own free agency when they choose to initiate the vast majority of divorces, for example?
If it all falls on men, then I guess men will have to become responsible not only for production side (and resource provisioning), but they’ll also have to become responsible for the reproduction side as well since women are completely failing on that end.
I guess we’ll have to start working on artificial wombs and robots to automate motherhood since we are giving women “far too much credit.”
You had one job women, and you are utterly failing at it. When someone points this out, your response is that we’re “allowing” you to fail at it? Fucking Lol.
No, I’m not saying blame men – I was pretty explicit about that. My point is that playing the blame game will send you around in circles. This very conversation illustrates that.
We’re supposed to be working together. Modern culture is trying to pit men and women against each other as competitors instead, and you’ve apparently fallen right into that trap.
Women are falling short in the reproduction department… and that’s an exclusively female problem HOW?
Production is at an all time high – but is that production, on the whole, geared toward providing for families? No. It’s geared toward generating profit and making a small handful of people very wealthy and powerful.
Women are being funneled into the system of modern production en masse and dissuaded from reproducing through clever marketing, because it’s more PROFITABLE to use women as interchangeable and disposable labor units than to have them building families and communities.
We’ve had it hammered into our heads for several generations now, as if “from on high” thanks to the technology you cite as meeting society’s need for production, that our job is no longer to give men children, but to make them money. Men have bought into this new paradigm just as readily as women.
How far back do you want to go, how many layers of influence and propaganda do you want to peel back, to try to figure out which half of humanity to blame for the grim picture we see today?
Are you willing to consider that perhaps men and women have BOTH been duped?
No, I’m not saying blame men – I was pretty explicit about that.
Disingenuous. If you didn’t want to blame men, then why implicate men as “leading” women into anything? Are you an adult person who has the ability to make decisions regardless of whether anyone is “leading” you to a particular choice, yes or no?
You said: “Who is leading the women to do this? Who is ALLOWING this to happen? You really think this started with women?” Anyone who isn’t moron recognizes this as a clear attempt to shift responsibility. It also infantilizes women to a frightening degree.
If I said “who is leading men or allowing men to watch porn” wouldn’t that be an obvious attempt to negate the free agency of men to exercise their choice not to watch porn?
You’ve continued to tapdance around the issue who is initiating the vast majority of divorce. Hint: it’s women. I’m sure you’ll find some way to shift responsibility for that free choice as well.
Women are falling short in the reproduction department… and that’s an exclusively female problem HOW?
The average age of marriage in the US is slightly over 27 years old. In Canada it’s about 29 years old. This necessarily results in a decline in fertility when women are waiting this long to marry. This is a result of women’s free choices to delay marriage to pursue useless gender studies degrees, or simply ride the cock carousel.
Is anyone holding a gun to women’s collective heads to tell them to waste their most reproductive years outside of the family, on things that are not reproduction? Do women not have the free agency to resist being “funnelled into a system of mass production” through clever market? Ah, but we’re “giving women too much credit.”
Again, since you’ve endlessly deflected and avoided answering, I ask you: do women have free will or not?
Men have bought into this new paradigm just as readily as women.
And yet it’s only men who are being told to man up and show accountability. In fact, it’s both trad cons and feminists telling men to marry women and enter into an obviously bad deal. Even if you personally did not financially wreck your ex-husband, by your own admission, you COULD have. Many men continue to get married despite the financial disincentives.
There is no corresponding message to women to “woman up” and take accountability for their choices. As you’ve illustrated, it’s all on men for “allowing” women to make these choices.
Why is that?
technology you cite as meeting society’s need for production, that our job is no longer to give men children, but to make them money.
Women actually control most household spending: https://www.businessinsider.com/infographic-women-control-the-money-in-america-2012-2
So if technology is being used to make men money as you say, women are actually exercising most control over that money.
How far back do you want to go, how many layers of influence and propaganda do you want to peel back…
Newsflash: women are adult human beings. Adult human beings are capable of resisting advertising. Do you agree or not?
You are again deflecting responsibility and moral agency for women to make choices for themselves.
Are you willing to consider that perhaps men and women have BOTH been duped?
You’ve moved the goal posts. This dispute was never about who was duped, it was about who is failing their end of the bargain.
Would you be sympathetic to a man who deflected blame onto women due to his inability to provide? Obviously not, because that’s his job. As I’ve repeatedly said, production is a man’s power.
Until men can give birth and have wombs and create and nurture life with their bodies, it’s pretty clear to me who’s job that is. The fact that you’ve deflected responsibility for this is very telling.
“Adult human beings are capable of resisting advertising. Do you agree or not?”
No. I do not agree with that. Or at least, I can only agree with it up to a certain point. Adult human beings are, as a whole and with a small minority of exceptions, capable of doing what they’ve been taught to do. In a system where toxic cultural indoctrination begins at birth and is more or less mandated during the most formative years of life, the idea that every adult human is acting on impulses and principles that come exclusively from within themselves is duuumb.
I’m relatively resistant to advertising because my father administered a seemingly endless series of dinner-table and way-past-my-bedtime lectures and discussions on how human gullibility and suggestibility are exploited in politics, commerce, etc. since I was teeny tiny – and I’ve still caught myself believing pretty lies. If you are naturally resistant to the suggestions of marketing, advertising, propaganda, etc., consider yourself fortunate. Most people are not.
I am curious, though: do you have a proposed SOLUTION to this cultural problem? If we assume for the sake of the argument that your interpretation of all these various statistics is dead-to-rights, does your analysis point to any potential resolution?
In a system where toxic cultural indoctrination begins at birth and is more or less mandated during the most formative years of life…
This is no different from feminist SJWs who blame everything on cultural and social factors, and view people as passive objects incapable of free agency. It’s interesting that when SJWs talk about ethnic minorities or women, then these “oppressed” groups are always the passive product of outside forces outside their control. But when they talk about white heterosexual men (regardless of economic class or station in life), all of a sudden, this is the one monolithic group that is expected to have free agency, and is fully responsible not only for their actions, but also for other people.
As you said earlier: “Who is leading the women to do this? Who is ALLOWING this to happen? You really think this started with women?” This assumes that women are passive objects without free agency, and men as the only ones with free will. This is mental hamstering of the highest order.
the idea that every adult human is acting on impulses and principles that come exclusively from within themselves is duuumb.
The word you shoe-horned in there, is the word “exclusively.” Even if you receive influences from outside you, any choices you make are ultimately your own, and come from you if you are a moral agent with free will. Do you agree or not? If you disagree or think it’s “duuumb” then you obviously don’t believe in free will. Free will and self-determination is fundamental to our legal system along with Christian morality.
If you don’t believe in free will then it was really absurd and contradictory for you to talk about men “leading women” to act a certain way, or “allowing this to happen” since men and women would basically be deterministic organic-robots who are slaves to outside forces without a shred of free agency or morality whatsoever.
do you have a proposed SOLUTION to this cultural problem?
Yes. But it’s the subject of a book I’m working on and too long/involved to discuss here.
I am genuinely interested in reading your book, then. I hope you publish it. I have a sneaking suspicion we may be chipping away at some of the same truths, albeit from drastically different angles, and perhaps for entirely different purposes.
I will say that I think “free will” is a thing that people have to learn to exercise, and they will always necessarily be limited in the exercise thereof by their perception and understanding of reality, which is often not difficult to manipulate.
Beyond that, I think we’re trying to have two entirely different kinds of discussions, here. I’m describing things I’ve come to understand about human nature, and cultural problems and pitfalls I’ve identified through experience and prayerful contemplation, and you seem to want a debate with statistics and cited sources and a clear winner based on strength and consistency of presentation. I can’t give that to you, though if want to take that as a default victory, have at it.
You seem really intent on proving that women are more at fault than men for the present condition of humanity. My arguments are not intended to assume and defend the opposite of your position (that men are more at fault than women), but rather to advocate for cooperation between men and women, rather than conflict, as a solution.
It’s what I advocate with my words, it’s what I strive to model with my actions, and I can say with a fair measure of confidence that while it is certainly not always the easier thing, it IS always the BETTER thing to do. But I can’t prove that to anybody who isn’t willing to do it themselves.
I will say that I think “free will” is a thing that people have to learn to exercise
Maybe. I would say that we either have free will or we don’t. If we have it, then declining to exercise free will is also a choice. Deciding not to learn to exercise it is a choice as well.
I’m describing things I’ve come to understand about human nature, and cultural problems and pitfalls I’ve identified through experience and prayerful contemplation
No matter how much experience any one person has, it is necessarily personal, anecdotal and subjective. This is of limited value when discussing broad social questions.
and you seem to want a debate with statistics and cited sources and a clear winner based on strength and consistency of presentation.
When discussing broad social questions, it makes zero sense to prioritize one single person’s subjective experience over statistical data. Moreover, the truth must necessarily be consistent.
You seem really intent on proving that women are more at fault than men for the present condition of humanity.
I don’t see how a reasonable person can look at the data and conclude anything other than that one party is failing their end of the bargain.
Abraham Lincoln once said that if you want to see a man’s true character, give him power. This applies equally to women. In a relatively short period of time, women have been given power and privileges not available to women at any other time in history. Women have unprecedented access to education, resources, reproductive control, no-fault divorce, etc. Are they any happier?
The problem as I see it, is women have been given power without any commensurate requirement that they be accountable or responsible for their choices. There is a woman’s rights movement, but there is no women’s responsibility movement.
Men are naturally the more disposable sex. Eggs are expensive, sperm is cheap. Men account for more than 90% of workplace deaths. White males alone account for 70% of all suicides. Men are overwhelmingly the ones sent to war. There is, and has always been, an expectation that men sacrifice their lives for the benefit of women and children.
By contrast, there is no corresponding requirement that women sacrifice anything. No requirement that they be responsible for anything. That is clearly reflected in our conversation where you refused to concede that women are tasked with the responsibility of reproduction, since women are the ones with wombs and the ability to create and nurture life with their body. The natural inclination is for women to deflect responsibility/accountability for their actions on men, even if it’s their one job.
As I said, men are universally told to “man up.” Men who refuse to marry are degenerate peter pans who refuse to grow up. We hear this from all sides of the political spectrum, from men and women, from feminists and trad cons alike.
Are women told anything remotely approaching this? As an example: basic common sense advice such as “don’t get horribly drunk in a bar, because you become an easier target of rape” is met with accusations of victim blaming and misogyny. Women aren’t even expected to be responsible for looking out for their own interests. Women demand to be able to engage in high risk activities while feeling entitled to the protection of men.
I’m sure someone will find a way to deflect responsibility yet again. “Who is LEADING women to get horribly drunk in a bar? Who is ALLOWING it to happen?”
Ours truly is a clown world.
P.S. It commendable that you are advocating cooperation between men and women. But IMO you are preaching to the wrong party. Your message should really be directed at women.
The vast majority of men are blue pill betas who want nothing more than to raise a family within a marriage. Their natural inclination is to cooperate. Women are the ones initiating the vast majority of divorce (current statistics put the number between 66% to as high as 90% if the woman is college educated).
As I’ve repeatedly said, men are already meeting the societal needs for production (which is their job). Many men are still entering into marriage despite the insane financial disincentives. How are men not doing enough in your view? What would “more cooperation” from men, look like to you?
95% of divorces end up being a 50-50 split, with no courts involved.
the funnel will suck unknowing boys to a masturbatory cycle of porn use, in the end it will waste their precious time and energy. Only the truth will set us free. thanks! brother roosh.
There are many adult men with porn & masturbation issues, because they’re getting played/manipulated by their wives for housework/odd jobs, their wives ballooned up and got really fat (ie sex is not what it used to be with the fat rolls getting in the way now), their wives are mad about something and are denying access…the list goes on and on….and some of the married men doing it are older than you would ever imagine.
Obesity and health problems really take a toll on a wife’s libido. My own grandmother remained skinny because of skinny genes and she grew into a horny old bat who regularly dragged my grandpa to bed every night. She was way past the wall but at least she remained as a satisfactory ‘comfort’ woman for my grandad. The younger obese wives who balloon up are really messed up with trans fatty diets and junk pharma. You gotta stay away from all of that. My grandmother did lengthy outdoor stuff with my grandpa and even ran until her knees went bad. She was healthy inside but looked like a 100 yr old Berber woman since running and the runners high messes with the cortisol levels. Ever notice how marathon runner chicks and even runner dudes look about twice their age? The skin sags and looks like premature ageing. A 30 yr old runner chick usually looks 45! Yoga though will keep your woman looking hot as f and healthy without looking like a marathon runner. I’d advise keto diet, yoga and biking for an obese wife, but don’t make the running habitual. If she gets to cutting pounds by the score then eventually you can install a vertical dancing pole in the bedroom for her to work out on. Just for you private of course, not work as in ‘work’ at some strip joint. With diet and toning, she’ll do stuff on the pole that would otherwise break her neck if she attempted it while obese.
My dear old grandad never took another younger fertile wife. He was happy with his ol hoss woman. But me, I’m dang near a rocket scientist so I know the west needs my spunk to proliferate. I’ll always look for a younger fertile breeder woman when the wifey goes infertile and dry because my balls speak to me and nag my conscience like duracell batteries that just won’t stop. And the old wifey goes on the shelf for a bit, a comfort woman dear but eased up a bit on her service duties. Eeeh you might call it wife rotation. Everyone is happy. No complaints. God save the West. You gotta keep the henhouse pat down and the eggs rolling where they go.
Ha ha great stuff!
LOL this is the deal you offer women: sacrifice your youth, body, fun, freedom and lives to raise kids for a miogynist male, and then get traded in for a younger woman when you hit menopause. Also be prepared to act as a single parent while he runs around chasing poon.
And then they wonder why we are taking our chances and going childfree.
It’s a bad deal, to be sure. It’s pretty much the corollary to female-initiated divorce rape. News flash: extracting resources from people under the guise of a committed relationship and then abandoning them to pursue a fresh source of supply is precisely the sort of behavior that makes everything suck and destabilizes society/economy. It’s not a good look on men or women.
On the other hand, choosing not to procreate due to fear of future hardship/heartache is loser behavior, and shortsighted. Most people who do this will eventually look back and realize they’ve spared themselves exactly NOTHING in terms of pain and hardship (these are inherent to LIFE, kids or no), and could have had a nice little progeny for all the crap they had to deal with anyway.
Progeny and legacy might be what men want,but it’s not really what women need. Women often have kids because it’s what their man wants them to do and they’re trying to keep or trap a man. Well, for a growing number of us, we may still offer men our youth and we may get into relationships with you,but it’s not going to be on your terms anymore. The sooner men get over this, the better off they will be. They blew it. Maybe they can go cry about it to Daddy Trump, he’s done such a wonderful job demonstrating there is a point to marriage and children besides who validation.
“Well, for a growing number of us, we may still offer men our youth and we may get into relationships with you,but it’s not going to be on your terms anymore.”
Are you talking to ME? I’m a woman, and a mother for ten years now and counting.
I don’t know what kind of worthless little brats you think YOUR womb would spit out, and it may be that we’re all better off without them – but I know mine are worth more (both to myself AND to society) than anything I might have accomplished or any hardship I might have avoided had I forsaken motherhood.
More to the point: the principles and traditions I teach my children have the potential for exponential growth, whereas your ill-founded ideology is limited by your self-enforced sterility. You seek power where you are not capable of holding it. The hand that rocks the cradle, darling…
But I’m sure you’ll have loads of fun talking down to mothers and grandmothers about the irrelevance of having a progeny when you’re old and lonely and nobody wants to spend time with you. <3
Sure, maybe I’ll regret it, but I seriously doubt it. The hard data is in and women without children are happier and less likely to commit suicide at all ages, while single mothers fare the worst. Ideally, I’m in a DINK couple my whole life but I’d much rather be a spinster than a single mom. Like I said, I’ll take my chances.
Aaaah! I tink I see zee problem here Girl. You’re not fully in touch with your pussy and by that I mean the whole reproductive package. Me, I’m very much in touch with my balls and the grand purpose that the good Lord intended them for.
Let’s talk a wee moment here about YOUR pussy Girl. It’s yours and behest of yet to be given forth unto a patriarchal master. Maybe he hasn’t yet materialized. Maybe he’ll pop out of the bushes today. Only the Lord knows the hour and he too knows your clock Girl. Back now to YOUR pussy. It is a wonderful thing for YOU to be sitting on but another tear of hope for our tribe. The future of our tribe is hiding right there between your legs. “PEEK-A-BOO”!! You’re sitting on all our future’s right now. It’s true. Yes, YOUR pussy was intended to serve up unto your man and to tirelessly litter this land of ours with fine fresh progeny for our Great Green Republic!
Maybe my words are just an echo to you right now but you know with echo’s . . . they continue and reverberate until they’re internalized as a part of you and your mindthink. Think a hundred years from now and you crying out “remember me?” “Doesn’t anybody remember me?” Only your progeny will never forget you. They’ll have to remember and revere you well. Your choice. No one is pushing. It will grow in you until it comes out. I’ll bet a dollar to a donut.
“women without children are happier and less likely to commit suicide at all ages” – when a woman hits the wall, the ONLY thing she thinks about is having a baby (ever heard the term broody?) and a loving man to keep her from going insane. You are in for a rough wake-up call, girl…
LOL okay, you keep telling yourself that.
And the Carmen Electras of the world will keep having all the fun while you speculate.
For all you know, I’ve already slammed into the so-called wall 😉
You sound like an ugly feminist
This is false. Evangelical christians with children are the happiest people in the US via Dr. Jonathan Haidt, atheist.
I say that as a pua sworn to fucking dumb feminists and letting them think i will eventually take them seriously (i wont.). You made me btw
“I say that as a pua sworn to fucking dumb feminists and letting them think i will eventually take them seriously (i wont.).”
And how many of women’s “notches” are attributable to this kind of pua behavior? For the most part, women have sex in the hope that it will lead to something long-term. When we exploit this tendency by dangling the bait of commitment with no intention of delivering, we help to create the very problem (a prevalence of high notch-counts in women) which we now find ourselves bemoaning as we approach midlife.
“I say that as a pua sworn to fucking dumb feminists and letting them think i will eventually take them seriously (i wont.).”
Which leads to degeneracy on your part. Do you enjoy your sociopathy?
And on the contrary! I’ve got to hand it to modern moms. At least they’ve stopped lying about the hardship part.
“but it’s not going to be on your terms anymore” – it’s ALWAYS gong to be on mens terms..because we are physically stronger than you and always will be.
Talk about daddy issues.
Wow, just wow. How totes bigoted of you. Yet another example of why women shouldn’t vote. #repealthe19th, #keepthePimpHandstrong,
Lol yeah okay. Let’s glorify domestic violence and oppression of womsn. Gee, why aren’t women rushing to marry and have kids with these men? Why do so many end up in monk mode just like Roosh, rejected as long term partners by virtually every woman? Such a mystery!
No silly, I never said “trade her in” like you do a car where you get rid of the old car. I said “put her on the shelf for a bit” as in she winds down and slows her pace without being badgered to keep her duties 100% like she’s the only link in the chain. A moderately ageing woman likes to sit a bit more, rocking and staring. She’s thinking and reminiscing, collecting her mind but at least not leaving the nest and running ape wild elsewhere. Sometimes she’d rather write or crochet all day. She needs this time. But the ROOSTER MAN’S mind roosts on. His balls pummel his brain like mad cow when wifey sits there and withdraws certain (you know) duties. It’s not that she doesn’t care so don’t misread her. Her poot just ain’t what it used to be but she still counts. Having a third wheel at home to help drive the engine of the family is a blessing to her.
When wifey had our first child, she was energized with her new duties and often tired just like a marathon runner that just finished a race. Her younger sister came into the delivery room and wifey literally tried to set me up with her and send us out to errands constantly. She even suggested her to take HER pussy and smack the sh¡t out of my d¡ck with it when I kept bugging wifey for sex in the early months when she was breastfeeding the newborn. Yeah she threw her own sister at me just to shut my d¡ck up like a bobble head. The same way she collected bobble heads on the dash of our car when we were younger she threw a bobble to cap my d¡ck!!
DID I TAKE IT?? Did I fall for the bait and ‘do’ my wife’s own sister?? Actually I knew better because of Noahide or actually Mosaic law. In Leviticus 6 it states explicitly that a man cannot take two sibling women of the same mother to wife by. . . .
Now WHY would Moses make such a law? What’s the difference between two sisters and two unrelated girls to wife by? Well, it’s the old rule of the dreaded ‘MOTHER IN LAW’ syndrome. When you take two blood related sisters as concurrent wives, you DOUBLE the power of the same exact mother in law in your home. No man can survive and remain the patriarchal king of his castle with twice force of the same mother in law beating you over the head in your own home. Yeah Moses was indeed one smart and wise sum buck.
SO what this means is that a man’s younger virgin wife he takes must not be of the same mother or direct blood relation as the senior wife. I hope that pretty much explains it. Keep it righteous and keep it clucking girl.
Um, as ringing an endorsement as this was lmao I’ll keep my tight vagina and free time. Good luck with the offspring and all of that. Kkthanx.
Polygamy , now you are talking. Monogamy is a curse. The western world will pay dearly for making women their equals.
I get why women wouldn’t want that deal. If that’s truly what he does, marriage is not worth it for her, and really a shameful waste. Rather, we must return to a culturally supported and expected lifelong marriage, with commitment and love. He commits to stay for life with her and she commits to stay for life with him. And it doesn’t mean just “staying,” but also staying in shape for one another, not cheating, doing their best to support each other etc.
But the current court system will financially destroy a man at the whim of a vindictive woman, and in most cases, if she cheats without apology on him and carries other men’s children, it does not matter. The standard marriage agreement is a woman gives her youth and fertility and a man stays with her and supports her when she gets old and men no longer look at her sexually.
The majority of divorces in the US are “no-fault.” I would eliminate these, and make them much harder to do, following the legal status quo from pre-60s America or so. If the woman cheats on a hapless man who never does, he should owe her no money, and he can decide who gets the kids, with child support following as normal from there. If the man cheats and the woman doesn’t, then he owes her half in the case of divorce and the same as above follows, where she may keep the kids and have him pay child support and so on.
Make family courts more fair and more men will be open to marriage. Period.
The great Moses is and ever was the only family court judge that ever be. See Leviticus 6
I agree,it’s useless to try and incentive woman to have children,just for some guy to tell them hes fucking a bunch of women.destroys the narrative.
“sacrifice your youth” your youth is ONLY there to attract a mate and give him offspring. That’s it.
That’s your opinion.
The great thing about being a childfree woman is the same men who believe that are the same ones who discard and cheat on women for having the audacity to get older, women are a utility to you, not human beings.
By avoiding men who insist on offspring, you also avoid such sexist men, it’s really like killing two birds with one stone.
Women might be a utility but a good man loves and takes care of his property, as the mother of his children your value will be the higher it can ever be.
You can either be a loved utility or an abused one that gets passed around.
Is that why Vanessa Trump’s life looks like a cautionary tale?
So now she is a single mother of five. Who is going to date a woman with that much baggage? Where will she even find the time to date? God, I love my childfree life. Pardon me! Off to head on yet another Caribbean getaway with the love of my life.
What about women who marry young and are infertile?
Women are the ones proven to be depressed and miserable without children. Even the wealthiest single cat ladies are not as happy as poor single moms. Dont forget, the majority of single moms got pregnant by tyrone or chad on purpose for the food stamps and section 8.
“Sacrifice your youth, body, fun”. Research shows women are embarassed of their promiscuity and mostly sleep with men in hopes of developing a serious relationship from it. So you dont even enjoy it. WE do lol. Marriage and monogamy is for women’s happiness. The men complaining here have had a blast banging young feminists. They just cant believe so many women have gone that route and signed their own barren fate, that society itself is falling apart.
“Even the wealthiest single cat ladies are not as happy as poor single moms.” LOL definite citation needed.
They’ve taken the GSS for about 45 years and there is no demographic more miserable than single moms.
I’m happily taken for many years now with the added bonus of not ruining my life changing diapers for free, but if my man ever chooses to leave me I’d have a easier time finding another one without the bagged of kids. Do you deny that men avoid dating single moms? No easier way to ruin your life than to have a bunch of kids for an ungrateful, sexist male pig.
You do you though, I have nothing against single men, I have many as friends and sometimes even encourage my single girl friends to go out with them. All things consixdred, I’d generally rather be around a guy like you than a breeder, although there is hardly any difference between them as men with kids are still allowed to have a life and go out with friends from time to time, it’s only the mothers are confined indoors and tend to their offspring and don’t get to have a life anymore.
Lol lol. I have to laugh at this. Men are now peddling “you’ll be happier as a single mom” in an attempt to get us to do their reproductive bidding. That ish is just funny LOL. I mean, how stupid do you think we are? Well, I’m sure it will work on someone anyway LOL
You are describing the excesses of many men under the patriarchy of old, when men had more control, but even then society enforced some modicum of control (religious, social and legal again instituted mostly by men looking out for “their” women) over such behavior in high-functioning Western patriarchal societies. That has been replaced today with a social norm of female excess today, but with a crucial difference, minimal (and reducing) control over female behavior, enabled by an female centric society, female booster-ism every step of the way and an openly and increasingly un-equal justice system and furthermore very few men and almost no women looking out for “their” men. So princess, you ain’t a heroic victim. Your kind are the predators nowadays.
The effects of sun exposure are sometimes misattributed to running. Exercise of ANY kind beats obesity hands down.
Oh, and polygamy doesn’t work well. Didn’t in Biblical times (the wives fought each other and schemed for their own kids’ interests). And it doesn’t work well now (some men get multiple wives; others get none and are easily recruited into terrorism).
Whoever thinks there is sex in today’s marriage is naive. Marriage in 2019 is immediate and irreversible sexless slavery for men. That is the situation in all the West and the rest of the world is getting westernised faster than we expected.
The problem is that there is sex in marriage and not authentic love. I have women friends who complain they feel objects when making love to their husbands who use them for releasing purposes.
When a marriage becomes “immediate…sexless slavery”, that’s a very good case for divorce. (So let’s keep divorce legal, shall we?)
Irreversible means that divorce doesn’t help you, it ruins you.
American society for straight men is centered around constantly dangling a carrot to keep the majority of men unfulfilled but yearning. As most of you know, the left is pro-LGBTQ, but anti straight men, the vast majority of men are still straight, even in 2019 clown world.
Control the straight men, control society. Simple as that.
Think of all the high definition porn, seductive female characters in movies, strip clubs, major comedians who center their routine exclusively around sex jokes, etc. Yet, obtaining sex from an attractive woman has never been more difficult for the average man. America doesn’t have legal prostitution outside a few counties in rural Nevada, and in 2019, thanks to FOSTA/SESTA, even looking for an escort is nearly impossible. Side note, available escorts make the SMP easier overall for men.
Both the left & right suffer from a mass hysteria of straight male sexuality. Combine that with the current political division, unbalanced male/female ratio, virtual “tar & feather” of anyone via social media, it should be of no surprise modern day America is the powder keg it has become.
The puritanical agenda has even hit the red pill harder than the elites imagined possible. Trump has done exactly what he was chosen to do.
Wake up, USA.
I dated a spectacularly beautiful girl for a while….who knew what she had and was playing the world based on it. Turned out she was an emotional mess with bipolar issues and that relationship was never going to work for me…but I learned a hell of a lot. I know I may never get a girl that hot again, but I don’t know if I really want that again anyway.
Too many guys in the sphere don’t notice it, but a right-wing government doesn’t care about you either. Trump arguably pulled off the most impressive bait-and-switch of all time.
The discussion of sarging, effectively banned on the rooshvforum in 2019, welcome to the real clown world.
The elites know what they are doing. Average Tavistock social engineer IQ is probably 160.
I never realized how brutally I’m being mind-raped until I got into nofap. Once I achieved my first 100 day streak it changed me forever. Everything came into perspective. For the first time I finally comprehended that sex is not some recreational activity. Suddenly I looked at women in a radically different way. My standards went up, and changed dramatically. I genuinely started to despise sluts, whereas before I really loved the idea of a slut.
But there is a strong force of carefully choregraphed mind control designed to turn you into a sexual pervert. It assaults your psyche everyday relentlessly.
The key to succeeding in sexual abstinence is to meditate everyday. You don’t have sex unless it’s for real. Until then meditation will dissipate all that savage energy and recalibrate you into a more calm and controlled person. There is nothing quite like it. https://youtu.be/DCt7HXEp0t8
This might be the best article you have ever written, well done! Just explained so well. This is next-level thinking for a lot of people.
You are a hypocrite.
Hypo – down from above
crite – critical.
To criticise someone is act of expressing the looking down upon someone from a nonexistent, imaginary pedistal. A hypocritical thing to do, sir.
Wow, so true: “Instead, you have come to overvalue a purely physical act that even the stupidest, most braindead animals are capable of doing.”
Just where are these “specific venues you frequent where casual sex can be quickly achieved”? Last I heard, casual sex is not all that easy for most guys to get—in fact, there have been entire blogs devoted to the subject of attaining that elusive (secular) “Holy Grail”.
The “co-ed university or workplace”, far from promoting casual sex, usually tries to discourage it. (Sure, interacting with the opposite sex CAN lead to casual sex—or to dating/courtship and marriage; it’s a matter of what you’re looking for.)
“Boutique cats and toy dogs”? I don’t even want to know what part you think THESE play in the matter.
It sounds as if certain reformed sinners (who in the past promoted, and made money trying to facilitate, casual sex) now see temptations, deliberately-set snares and satanic conspiracies everywhere—even where they just might not exist. (Even in the mere PRESENCE of the opposite sex.)
We’re not alone; many newly-reformed sinners before us have walked this well-worn path of fanatical overcorrection, trading one set of excesses for another. (See, for instance, the rants of certain medieval monks.) Maybe we should pray and meditate carefully before leading men down yet another antisocial extremist path—in this case a path that leads to hysterical witch-hunts, extreme segregation of the sexes, burkas and the like for women, enforced abstinence for men who can’t “afford” marriage, and other miseries. This is NOT a path that Western men—or Western civilization—will want to follow, if we do a little research and contemplate carefully.
TL;DR: The “God pill” should be accompanied by the “chill pill”.
Roosh it sounds like you’ve hit the wall and are using voluntary celibacy as a way to deal with sexual frustration and being too high-inhibition to even approach women anymore because you’re out of practice.
Men like roosh go out of value for women, after a very long long time. The only reason he’s safe from whore’s harassment/assault/rape accusations is because of financial status.
Da armchair philosopher says: it’s communism meets your most private affairs –
you’d make Alexa Kollontai beam with pride, or humiliate her for amateurism.
In the utopian sexual commune, walkin’ your baby back home, every happy couple you pass by, you realize you’ve banged each of those women, while every man has banged yours. Single people too. Those you won’t run into today as well. Every man was in bed with every woman at some point. Your LTR can end in a snap, all of them can, everybody is somebody’s potential plaything at all times, you’re all objects, communal property when it comes to sex. Private, personal ‘property’ has been abolished.
Some strongmen of old had lots of women, king Solomon had more than a thousand wives and concubines, with whom he tried to escape the reality of the day, sooth his aching soul, and forget the wicked ways of the world. He was at the center of this order, while his ladies knew better not to fool around, while men understood they would only live just long enough to regret looking at the girls lustfully. Men had their women, and vice versa, intimate relations didn’t form a distributed network across the society. She was yours while you were hers, a wonderful, healthy, capitalistic thing.
Nowadays, many women are like disposable toys, single use sluts, like a shoddy, unreliable product of a communist economy, not suitable for long term use. Though the first time ‘user’ will find her acceptable and satisfying, it’s below pitiful to end up the last in line, to get stuck with damaged goods that saw extensive use. But the way things are, many have no choice if they don’t want to grow old alone- just like under communism when you had to settle for the lowest quality, for the lack of anything else.
And remember, sex was pretty much the only entertainment available in the Soviet Union, ( there was no freedom of movement as we know it, other basic life aspects we take for granted were nonexistent ), while abortion was the number one ‘contraceptive’. In 1965 there were three abortions for every live birth, while now it’s one abortion for 2 births. https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/10/03/putins-next-target-is-russias-abortion-culture/
The vagina is a Pit to Hell. Let the women languish – higher goals beckon.
Talk to me after you’re married and have reproduced, Roosh.
Seriously, you can see all the problems. But you are about to hit 40 and no kids. Your DNA will die with you, Roosh. Do something about it. Then tell us about that.
Your argument for reproduction is not scientific, strictly. If someone has siblings and cousins who are reproducing, most of his/her genes (not just DNA) will be passed on. In fact if you consider the entire ethnic group almost all of “your” genes will be safely be passed on as there are enough copies of all your genes in the gene pool. What is not passed on is the unique set (combinations) that you may posses and any genetic mutations of consequence that may have happened (very rare). What is really lost are the worthwhile cultural and learnt inheritance that you may be able to generate.
Roosh, I hope you realize that your newfound turn is going to be a very serious threat to “those who watch over us”, and will actually make you a much bigger target than you were before. Whereas before you were subject to the “outrage mob” due to your stand on certain men’s/cultural issues, you were still inadvertently serving a purpose in part of the master plan to lead people into the funnel about which you write. Now that you have reversed your stance, you will, instead of being a target of the SJW mob, now be construed as a direct threat to the “plan” which is being carried out, and the”planners,” of whom you are no longer “helping,” are a drastically more dangerous foe than the green haired land whales and soy faggots could ever be. Be careful, because you are in the process of committing a much graver sin than you ever have thus far. Good luck, because you will truly need it. Cheers!
Great article! Yes, the newer generation of men have a lot to learn in order to save them from being walked on. Sadly, many of these have bought into being a beta and when they’ve had enough is when they will take the red pill and see things how we see them.
get it over with dude just move to saudi arabia already
As Vox Day himself acknowledges: there are more Brits alive today than during the time the British Empire was at the height of its power. The modern world is overpopulated, it is simply a fact.
And most people should not have children. Eugenics should be widely implemented. I side with Sir Francis Galton, Hans F. K. Günther and nowadays with Chris Langan on this.
Dysgenics will kill us. And if someone told me my father had the right to pass his ugliness, his hunchback, his small four inch wiener and average intelligence onto me, making me a loser who failed at school and life in general, I would gladly punch him in the face until he apologizes.
Even God obviously does not want crap offspring, but has given us tight laws re. marriage and reproduction. So tight that His disciples said “then it is not good for a man to marry.” (Matth. 19)
To quote the Colombian Catholic Nicolás Gómez Dávila:
Demographic pressure makes people brutish.
A limited population produces fewer ordinary intelligences than a numerous population, but it can produce an equal or greater number of talents.
Great demographic densities are the breeding grounds of mediocrity.
An abrupt demographic expansion rejuvenates society and makes its stupidities recrudesce.
A totalitarian state is the structure into which societies crystallize under demographic pressures.
Population growth disquiets the demographer only when he fears that it will impede economic progress or make it harder to feed the masses.
But that man needs solitude, that human proliferation produces cruel societies, that distance is required between men so that the spirit might breathe, does not interest him.
The quality of a man does not matter to him.
The reactionary’s ideal is not a paradisiacal society. It is a society similar to the society that existed in the peaceful intervals of the old European society, of Alteuropa, before the demographic, industrial, and democratic catastrophe.
The modern world resulted from the confluence of three independent causal series: the demographic expansion, democratic propaganda, the industrial revolution.
The two most pressing problems of the contemporary world: demographic expansion and genetic deterioration are unsolvable.
Liberal principles prevent the solution of the first, egalitarian ones that of the second.
Eugenics appals those who fear its judgment.
The racist errs when he believes that there are pure races, the anti-racist when he believes that the ingredients of a beverage are of no importance.
Depopulate and reforest — first civilizing rule.
No beneficiary of slaves is supporter of birth control.