The Dark Side Of Game

Sleeping with a ton of women has some mental consequences that aren’t ususally talked about. Here are four things that I have noticed:

Inability to view women as equal human beings. My default opinion of any girl I meet is “worthless dirty whore until proven otherwise.” When so many girls have opened their legs up for me so quickly and easily, it’s hard for me to respect them (and their opinions or ideas) like I would a family member or close friend. I think this is leaking out into other areas of life as someone pointed out to me that I seem to read books written only by men.

Decreasing ability to sympathize and empathize with the female condition. Because I learned early on that talking to a girl about her problems or issues is the fastest way out of her pants, it’s become habit for me to simply nod or say “That sucks” when a girl has a genuine problem, even one that I can help solve. I have no desire to help a girl out with her life, and I don’t care if she falls flat on her face.

Decreasing patience to work things out. I don’t give a girl more than one chance to act “right” because it’s so easy to find a new whore at the bar. My ability to stay in a long-term relationship, putting up with its natural ups and downs, is evaporating as I adopt the mentality of a dictator, with my bitch the subservient who must attend to my needs without making any mistakes. Over the years my temper has greatly shortened.

Decreasing view of sex as a beautiful act of love. Sex is a mechanical means for me to relieve the pressure building up in my sack and nothing more, one small step above jerking off with my tight-gripped hand. I do not feel any closer to a girl when I pump her, and most of the time I respect her less because my opinion of her as a worthless dirty whore who probably likes being choked was proven correct.

The only way I see to reverse these consequences is to step out of the game completely and go through a massive cold streak that makes me value a woman again, to see her as something important that I need. Since I don’t see this happening, the odds that I will meet a new girl who I genuinely care for and maybe even love will be about the same as me winning the grand prize of a scratch ticket lottery game. And I’m fine with that. For now.

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you have an unhealthy attitude towards sex…

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Your bold text presupposes societal ideals as Truths, such as sex is a “beautiful act of love”.

Who hath deemed/decreed/ordained these as a higher truth?

Society. Organized religion. MADD. Wives – or pick a handful of the many entities that seek a control.

Now you see that, historically, for every Queen Elizabeth I, there’s 50 million concubines.

It’s time for a refresher chat with your dad. He sounds like mine. They both maintained with an unapologetic, status quo frame.

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So are we to take this as an endorsement for “Bang” or a condemnation? Actually who cares, it’s still a good read.

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Brutal honesty. I think though that a life of chasing ass will ultimately make you unhappy. But so will being a 40 year old virgin. Somewhere in between is the sweet spot. Having had enough ass to feel like you had the chance to sow your wild oats, but not so much so that you no longer know how to treat a woman if the right one came into your life. Sure you may feel that every woman is now a filthy dirty whore, but you know what, I bet everyone one our mothers gave it up easy to at least one guy when they were young, and we don’t think of our own mother’s as whores.

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roosh is fucked up enough that he thinks his mother a whore too.
Or is incoherent.
Women don’t ‘give up’ sex easy – they take it.

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So what’s the upside again? If you aim to have sex with as many women as possible, and the sex isn’t even that enjoyable, what are you getting out of it?

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So much anger i sense in you

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Dude I don’t understand why you have such negative views toward a woman spreading her legs. The issue lies with you, not with her. She wants to get laid the same way that you do, and I get that there’s a double standard in society, but that’s set by guys who have issues getting laid.

If you want to find higher quality women, start screening towards what you’re looking for rather than just trying to lay them all. You’ll do better with the girls you’re interested in and strike out with the girls you aren’t.

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Roosh, You may appreciate the recent film Elegy with Ben Kingsley and Penelope Cruz.

todd h.
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or the not so recent film Carnal Knowledge, starring jack nicholson, directed by Mike Nichols…

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i second the elegy nomination, brilliant.

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I can see where you are coming from.

I dated frequently and was engaged 3 times before I eventually married. I cheated on all three of my ex-fiancés and almost every relationship was ended because I got bored.

Throughout my marriage I slept with co-workers, sales reps, neighbors, fellow students in my masters program. It didn’t matter. I did not know anything about game but I played the asshole card well. I was a violent brutal man and women seemed attracted to me. I once had the strange pleasure of bumping into a girl and spilling my drink all over her. And without even an apology I walked back to the keg and started to pour me a new drink. Her boyfriend took offense and talk came to push and I was forced to hurt him badly. I met her, sans boyfriend, several weeks later and we hooked up. How am I going to respect that?

My best friend in the Marines once called me the “perfect asshole” based on his belief that I treated women poorly. I didn’t care. If I lost one woman, I’d find another. I wasn’t shy and I had a personal strategy that I followed religiously. Find the women I liked and engage. Eventually that night, no matter how many rejections, one of those attractive women would be sleeping with me.

Divorced now and I just reached 40 and have another girlfriend 11 years younger than me. I have no deep longing for her. I really could care much for anything she says. She is a sperm receptacle. BUT even now as I did in the past, I feel those nagging issues. It’s hard to change because it’s so easy to execute. How can I respect women when they do not respect themselves?

If women are going to continue spreading their legs so easily for so many men…than frankly I could care less about them.

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Go die of cancer/aids/car accident/house fire/etc. Worthless scum

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This is just a rhetorical question, but if this is what it takes to be with a chick these days, then aren’t those perspectives then simply reality? For those of us who have grown up in the USA we have been fed a lot of excrement by Walt Disney and the likes, with the notion of happily ever after, blah blah blah…. but reality is pretty ugly and this is why I think a lot of guys would rather keep their head lodged firmly inside their asses. So you want to reverse those consequences by removing yourself from the game so you too can put your head up your ass? Don’t get me wrong Rossh, I admire you and your blog and your honesty about your experiences both good and bad. We’ve all heard the expression “wake up and smell the coffee…” well in this case it is time all men wake up and smell the shit fermenting. In the final analysis women are simply not virtuous at all. Ever since free reign was granted to women we have seen their true colors and in a way I am glad to see what they are as to avoid making the mistake of ever getting married. Never will I now that I know what they’re about. I say this without judgment. Without knowing you personally Roosh I suspect the real problem is accepting that your perception of women should be is a harsh opposite of what they really are. This is a conflict I am guessing almost all men have. What can I say except they are what they are.

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Why SHOULD the world be any particular way?

The world simply IS. Women simply ARE. If they are a certain way, then they are a certain way.

The problem is we are raised to think that the world SHOULD be a particular way, then when we find out it isn’t, we freak.

But we have to realize that the best education we can get is to learn to accept the world for how it actually us and rid ourself of the very idea that the world should be any particular way.

Sometimes this means things we were taught have incredible value actually don’t have the value we thought they did. Yes, we’re taught women have this enormous and incredible value. Truth is, they don’t.

That can be a bit disillusioning, but it’s better – more conducive to health and happiness – to expect from life what it can actually give.

It doesn’t mean women have LESS value than they actually have, it just doesn’t mean they have the value we thought they did.

This is true about almost every aspect of the world. It’s the price we pay for having a culture that has become thoroughly non-reality based – falsified with idealism.

But we must become adults and see the world for what it actually is and achieve happiness and pleasure in that context.

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Roosh,

Great post. I’ve felt all 4.

The last one especially hit home. My girlfriend told me a couple months ago that I’m technically the best lay she’s ever had, but the sex is lacking because we don’t make love, we fuck.

I realized that I don’t know how to make love. I know how to fuck, but I don’t know how to incorporate the passion and emotion necessary to hit those emotional G-spots.

This stems from a view of women similar to yours mixed with healthy doses of porn. I’ve come to view sex strictly as a means of achieving orgasm instead of bonding with your partner. Sometimes forgoing a bond with your partner is a very good thing (i.e. pump and dumpers), but often this is a curse.

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Roosh,

This is dangerous:

“My default opinion of any girl I meet is “worthless dirty whore until proven otherwise.”

I am more of a glass half full guy.

Logically, I realize most girls I meet are not going to be extremely high quality, but I do believe they exist, until proven otherwise.

But then again, you outlook, I would say, is influenced by the city you are in: DC.

DC can be a great place to visit, and there are super quality girls there (although, minimal and hard to find), it is a horrible, miserable place to be a local Playboy.

Time to travel my friend.

One night with a Colombian beauty will restore your faith in women.

– MPM

The G Manifesto’s last blog post: Joseph Cassano: The Big Takeover by Matt Taibbi.

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Roosh,

This is dangerous as well:

“When so many girls have opened their legs up for me so quickly and easily, it’s hard for me to respect them”

Not to psychoanalyze, but it seems like there is something about yourself you don’t like.

(Again, most likely because you are in DC)

When I swoop girls, I do not lose respect for them.

I gain respect for them.

It makes me feel good because my Game is so tight.

You need to turn this stuff positive.

Have fun.

Life is short.

– MPM

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I usually love your stuff, Roosh, but I have to say that Hammer hit the nail right on the head (sorry, I just couldn’t resist the punability of that username): the problem is you, not them–you’re operating under the socially conditioned idea that the easier a woman is the less she’s worth, that women can’t go around hooking up like men, the more sexual partners she’s had the less valuable she is as a mate, etc. I disagree with this (notice I’m not saying “you’re wrong!”) and would like to point out that the issue is with your values and judgments, YOU are causing YOURSELF a lot of pain and suffering here by operating under this bullshit social programming.

This is the classic “Madonna/whore” complex, and reality is very different, as you know. You just don’t like reality the way it is and therefore set about feeling miserable and fighting it (which makes you feel even more miserable because you can’t make a dent in it and you know it).

Give up, surrender.

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You’re retarded. If men didn’t care about how many sexual partners women had, then they wouldn’t show a clear preference for wanting a virgin as a wife, which is strongly well-documented. There are also other statistics pointing to how the more sexual partners a woman has, the more likely she will be unsatisfied in a marriage and will eventually cheat.

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I think it’s inevitable that as you learn how easy people are to manipulate, you value them less. Maybe you should work on manipulating men (out-alphaing, etc) as well, then at least you’ll be equal-opportunity.

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Yes, I guess obtaining something from someone you want, and hating them for giving it, is a nevrotic recipe to hatred.
Brought to you by fucked up values.

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You have to literally be one of the funniest guys in the world. I literally just died…lolololololol…ur thinking is very parallel to mine. People who dont understand this note def have not experienced life. Keep telling the truth Roosh.

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O yeah, people who bash this note are usually the ones who can’t land anybody.

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G has good advice– going in “half full” is helpful, but I tend to think that’s true for everything in life. All people are innocent until proven guilty– and don’t worry, the guilty will sort themselves out quickly.

That said, after you’ve hooked up with/banged/fingered on the dance floor how many girls who have boyfriends, fiancees or husbands– how can you go into a relationship not being jaded?

A girl can be in love with you, but that love isn’t maintained by buying her flowers and taking her to dinner– the “right” ways. Its maintained by emotionally controlling her in an almost formulaic way.

Once you’ve seen and done these things–once you’ve emotionally abused a girl and seen her come back for more–and not once, but over and over again, 80% of the time or more– how can you respect the gender as a whole?

And yes, there are exceptions. But they are exactly that.

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How can you respect someone that you abuse?
I think the question is how you can respect yourself. You probably dont.

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@21

Those were pretty damn interesting points.

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im’ guilty of the male author bias…but then, most books by women just don’t hold my interest.

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One of the few books written by a woman I like is Rumble Fish.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0440975344?ie=UTF8&tag=thegman-20&link_code=wql&camp=212361&creative=380601

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“Sex is…one small step above jerking off.” LOL. You have well trained hands, ei?

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Here’s a thought:

Find a beautiful, intelligent, independent, ambitious woman who is passionate towards life, and maybe you’ll gain some more respect for women and yourself.

You likely won’t find her in a bar, ready to spread her legs for you the moment you say something witty.

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This is exactly what one of my old roomates got to be like. He was utterly decadent and he was aware of the mental consequences of it, but didn’t care enough to do anything about it.

He’d ask: “What is life?” when some of us would point out that he was getting up in years with no wife/family.

He’d also say (about women): “They are all whores except for your mother and your sisters…………………and your sisters are suspect”

He eventually did settle down in his third marriage and has been faithful ever since. Beautiful women probably look at men the same way though…………….mindless males whose dicks control them, easily manipulated by their desire to fuck (me). “Easy”. Their opinions change when their looks fade and suddenly not near as many men want them. People value what is hard to obtain and devalue what is easy to obtain.

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aha

“Here’s a thought:

Find a beautiful, intelligent, independent, ambitious woman who is passionate towards life,”

Great advice.

You might want to add: “find a needle in a haystack” as well.

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Congratulations. You have achieved enlightenment and are now ready to ascend to the next level of amoral existence. Thus spoke Zarathustra.

Now stop crying like a little bitch and get on with it.

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is nihilism some rationalisation for entitled immature heartache and sexism too? You know what, probably.

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“independent, ambitious “”

a lawyer chick perhaps?

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you are fucking the wrong women. and maybe you are fucking the wrong women because your game doesnt work on the right ones. too bad.

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p.s. have you ever heard of having FUN??? i’ve been with my boyfriend for three years now, and we slept together almost immediately. then again, we didn’t meet at some skanky bar either.

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slept together almost immediately? You sound like a dirty, dirty whore.

P.S. I’m going to guess that given this post was written 7 years ago, you’re not with that same boyfriend anymore.

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Yes, a ‘dirty dirty whore’ that has (at the time of her post) been with her boyfriend for 3 years.

I don’t even have the patience to explain the irony to you.

Idiot.

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Sounds like this stuff (anger / dark side) is coming from inside of you…

Women probably cant win with you under these circumstances no matter what they do.

i think…

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Why would you want women to ‘win’, when all they do when they ‘win’ (in feminism or in the dating game’ is take advantage of nice guys and assist scumbags in screwing up the planet? We have to acknowledge the fact that women are, by their very nature, destructive. Even Eve loved Satan and did a number or Adam and all his descendants. The fact that Roosh wrote this article shows that he actually does care and have good intentions, but has nowhere to put them. Yet another proof of AWALT (All Women Are Like That).

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So according to you those who get laid are the idiots?
lol.

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I’ve been reading your blog for awhile, and I have to say, I’m somewhat impressed that you recognize and admit the “dark side” of the game. It’s fairly obvious to anyone reading your blog that your experiences have led to you de-valuing women, but it’s pretty cool that you can see this yourself. Question is, do you care?

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he cares about it as his strategy is to cater to other dark hateful individuals. He wants them to feel part of the gang.

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I reached a transition at some point as well. I used to feel more caring and willing to cuddle after sex, now I feel even more aggressive. All I can think is that the girl I just came on or in is a filthy whore who didn’t even deserve my nut.

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This is an insolvable problem. The famous Groucho Marx quote sums it up nicely “I don’t care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members”. Or, in this case: How could I possibly want any girl that’s willing to sleep with me?

Maybe unrelenting boredom with the hunt eventually yields a bearable level of “whore” acceptance? That would seem to be the case for me, currently – although I won’t venture to guess on the permanence of this mentality.

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Notice how you haven’t been able to land any Ethiopian women??? Like attracts like my friend. The females you meet in various DC bars and you in a skirt 🙁

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i have a similar problem and i am a 43 year old woman. i’ve given up on men for precisely the same reason as roosh has given up on finding a woman: i have lost all respect for them. I’ve considered sleeping with my ex who is a total head case. we have good physical chemistry, but he’s been to brazil sleeping with 21 year olds the past year and won’t get tested and won’t wear a condom, nice. the other men i meet are either too into themselves or too shallow. i wasn’t a slutty girl in my 20’s and 30’s, i always held out because i knew i could at least get some respect that way but what about the other way around? are women not allowed to expect a certain conduct? i do appreciate the corner roosh has backed himself into, playing the game til you puke, but is it really the bar girls he sleeps with fault? here is a guy who has built his life around quick spurts of physical pleasure and because he’s intelligent, he realizes something maybe has gone awry and has to act like he’s fine with his lot because he has built his life around this idea AND because he doesnt know what else to do… my 19 year old virgin niece got raped on her college campus this last thursday…there’s a whole range of people out there.

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he’s not really clever.
Something is lacking for him to be.

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“step out of the game completely and go through a massive cold streak”

When you’re ready for that, just Scott Bakula yourself into my identity and you can enjoy a world of approach anxiety, openers garbled to the point of incoherence, fear of eye contact, flakes, and rejection on any closes past number.

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Found it amusing in the comments to see the people who don’t want to recognize their losing any chance at true intimacy via success at “the game”, lying to themselves that it’s not true, or there is no such thing. Even Van Halen knows if you sell sex w/o love, you end up with nothing but blue ball release. Just like how you “don’t care” about women’s problems, there isn’t a whole lot anyone but you can do about the problem if you think it is one. That sucks.

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you’re taking the wrong lessons from your life. It’s like saying, “I’ve flown so much, I don’t like airplanes anymore and won’t fly again until I feel it’s right.” It’s just something to do. So you’re a little jaded. So the excitement has fallen out of it. So be it… like food, or sports, or flying; go find some new girl, some new angle, some new adventures. Like travel, the only people bored with sex are boring people.

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So how many women have you actually slept with in the last year? You must not blog about that. All the blogs are about stupid drunk women at Adams Morgan, and the interactions never go anywhere.

I’ve actually tried going cold turkey. Haven’t had sex for over 3 years (minus the occasional asian massage parlor). Hasn’t really helped much. I think I’m more depressed now than ever.

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Snot understands. Unfortunately you’re going to meet the one chick who you think will finally be able to rescue you from this shit and then she’ll dog your ass like a cold hearted bitch and cut your heart out in a karma reversal. Trust me.

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Wow, it was very interesting to read what seems to be a very honest post. Quite brave and quite… human! Some of the comments too…

Roosh – seems like you have trained your brain to be a certain way over a long time. It would probably be extremely hard to get out of the mental mindset which has allowed you to achieve short-term success in sleeping with women quickly.

BUT I’m really, really surprised that despite all of your day game, you still feel all women are immoral and whores! There are SO MANY women out there who are not like that at all. Who have not hooked up with guys or done the disgusting things you’ve described, EVER. Who also either have natural born beauty or make the most of what they have – it’s not just women without options who stay good (though a whole lot tend to be the uglier ones, lol). The reasons some women don’t act slutty could be religious/moral, because they just believe in love too much, they are being tactical and know to hold out for marriage, or because they were trained/restrained (lol) by their parents or church….

I’m not sure if you’ve had bad luck, or if maybe your hard-sell Game tactics have screened out the girls who aren’t whorish? I hope you really think about it… like if you go up to a girl and she doesn’t show enough interest, you move on… if a hot girl seems bitchy when you try your normal routine, you move on… if a girl doesn’t respond to random texts for non-proper dates, you move on… if a girl doesn’t sleep with you within 1-2 dates, you move on… for Game it’s best to keep your eye on the ones that are receptive, but maybe you’re forgetting the ones that weren’t too easily? So you are in effect using an unrepresentative sample of women to shape your views of us?

I was so hopeful for you when I read about Sour ****** Lips girl. Seemed like you were really attracted, she didn’t whore out, and she seemed really nice. I guess the women’s studies thing triggered the “Dark Side” in you and stopped you from opening up your heart?

Well I hope you find inner peace and happiness again, however that may be: continuing your life style or finding a new way. We all have to do what’s right for us 🙂

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Someone once told me that Game doesn’t work on quality women. The more I read, the more I tend to believe it.

Whenever Roosh writes about a girl he didn’t sleep with, he attributes it to some sort of problem the chick had, some character flaw that made her less than a woman.

And then he says that women are whores unless proven otherwise, but he never seems to stick around any girl who won’t fall for his “irresistible charm” right away.

It seems like a lose-lose situation for me, and the girls are not the ones losing…

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The only way I see to reverse these consequences is to step out of the game completely and go through a massive cold streak that makes me value a woman again, to see her as something important that I need.

You know what?

When you go cold turkey, and then after some time meet that special girl who has not slept with you on the first date, who has this special sexuality, deep down you will have a tingling feeling that she was sleeping with guys like you, guys who have read your book, Bang, on the first night.

And, the sad part is,

You will be right.

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what humbled me is success with women.

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It is not the one who does get laid, it is the one who gets laid most, who is most jaded, as he knows the nature of the female, and he knows the possibilities once he is the committed man.

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The, “you have not met the right one”, “Not all women are like that”, “Game works only on bar sluts” etc are just distractions, trying to pull a curtain on a non-natural player to push him back into his old ways ( I assume you learned game).

The knowledge a player obtains is actually only reserved to the few chosen men. Interestingly, these few chosen men tend to have extreme tendencies of looking for women with fewest sexual partners when it comes to commitment. virgins even.

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You, my friend, are entering the painful world of deeper knowledge of the female sexuality. The ease of getting a fuck, and the deception of the value of her sexuality.

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We men are humble creatures. We work to get where we are. And we always know there is someone better than us. It is nature. Even the most alpha lion gets out alphaed one day.

Thus a woman’s ease of bedding you may also mean someone else’s ease of bedding her, while a woman’s playing difficult of bedding you does not exclude someone else bedding her, while with you…

It is a knife with no handles… Cuts your hand no matter how you hold it.

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If you read Neil Strauss’ “The Game”, he goes pretty extensively into the darkside of the game. Hell, he had to save Mystery from killing himself.

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G Manifesto has the best advice & comment out of all you other hating knuckle-draggers.

The problem is coming from within, Roosh, not from the outside.

But instead of dwelling on it and flushing it ’round the toilet bowl again, better to think positive, give yourself a good scrubbing, and approach the world with a different, hopefully more positive attitude.

Nothing but love from this corner, Roosh. Good luck buddy.

Like Hansel once said, “You should listen to your friend Billy Zane. He’s a cool guy.”

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Doesn’t look like anyone noticed this little gem:

“I have no desire to help a girl out with her life, and I don’t care if she falls flat on my face.”

Roosh – did you really mean to say “my face”?