The Dark Side Of Day Game

It’s important to state that day game is an effective and inexpensive means to meet attractive young women. It allows you to take everyday environments like the town square, mall, or coffee shop and make it a place where you can meet women for sex. In conjunction with night game, I’ve successfully used it for over five years to supplement my pussy roster and have the type of sex life that I dreamed of in my early 20’s. All that said, I’m experiencing a bit of day game fatigue. Here are the reasons why:

1. It’s not fun

The only guy who says day game is fun are ones doing it with a wingman, often during vacation. Sustainable day game in your city will consist of you alone searching for a girl in a public space and approaching her without already being in a social mood. While some interactions you have with women during the day can be fun, the actual solo hunt of women during the day is not. I look forward to a 2-hour day game session as much as going to the gym to lift heavy weights. It’s possible to have fun after a night out in a club without being successful, but it’s impossible to have fun from a day game session that doesn’t result in gaining at least one solid prospect.

2. It requires dating and is slower than night game

You’ve no doubt come across same-day bang stories, but those happen less than 1% of the time among even competent day gamers. You’ll definitely have to date and usually you’ll require at least two of them. There’s nothing wrong with dating, but you’ll have to put in more dating work than night game for the same sex result. Day game is cheap to run in terms of money but expensive in terms of time. If you are a man with at least average looks who enjoys the occasional drink, night game will get you results faster and more reliably (unless you live in a horrible Western city, of course).

3. It feels like spamming

Professional day gamers average between 20-40 approaches per day bang. A recent up-and-coming day gamer profiled on Krauser’s blog took about 60 approaches per bang. These may seem like high numbers to a game denialist, but they’re actually reasonable considering that day game is the purest form of cold calling. You’re approaching a girl you know nothing about—not her personality, relationship status, sexual orientation, herpes outbreak status, etc—and have to create something out of nothing that leads to sex with you, a man who randomly popped into her life. This is damn hard, and so should rightfully require many approaches.

Night game, on the other hand, has built-in filters that aid you. If she’s drinking in a night club and making eye contact with men, chances are she is much more into fast sex. Cold approaches in clubs are warmer in that you’re more likely to encounter girl who is ready to get banged that very night. During the day, the only time that really happens is if you approach a lonely girl who is bored. We already know that game is a numbers game, but day game really feels like a numbers game, and the only way to rack up a serious notch count is if you do it semi-full time. If you don’t mind 5-10 new notches a year, a one approach a day diet for day game can get you there, but if you want to get more than that, you’ll have to dedicate serious time doing approaches every week, or you’ll have to at least supplement your efforts with internet or night work.

4. It kills your night game

Day game gives you prospects, but prospects reduce urgency. If I get a handful of day game numbers from Monday through Wednesday, and then go out on Thursday night, I will put in a half-assed performance without consciously realizing it. Failure on the night out is acceptable because I already got many prospects, even though those prospects may result in nothing. When I analyze my past city bang campaigns of a week or less in length, the ones that failed were due to doing a lot of day game instead of going full retard at night only. To do well in the club, you should enter it with zero options, forcing your hunger into wolf-like levels. If you already got many prospects in your pocket, you won’t put in the same amount of effort.

5. It’s better for finding relationships than fast sex

The nicest, sweetest girls I’ve met were from day game. These are girls who had low notch counts and didn’t frequent clubs often. While these attributes are great if I want a serious girlfriend, it’s less so if I just want casual sex without feeling any guilt about moving on quickly. It doesn’t make much sense to go on several dates with a girl, genuinely getting to know her after several hours, and then pumping and dumping her, because chances are that’s not what she wanted. At night, however, the girl probably wants to pump and dump you as much as you do her. It’s a more frictionless environment for no one getting their feelings hurt.

One important thing I should mention is that day game has been developed more as a reaction to declining night game than as a wholly superior alternative. When Western night clubs were at their peak, the only guys running day game were the ones who hated alcohol. This is why you can judge the decline of any city by how many guys say the following: “Day game is way better here than night game.” If you hear this, that means a previously viable way for men to meet women, nightclubs, is being eliminated, and any man who enters that city now has less choice for meeting women than before. I would not consider living in any city where clubs are used by women as a way to seek attention or show off than to meet men.

I’m at a crossroads with game. I started in night game and eased into day game, but find the latter to be less fun, exciting, and variable. Instead, the girls I meet from day game are more likely to drive me into relationships than the ones I meet at night, something that my itinerant lifestyle conflicts with. At the same time, I get less satisfaction from one-night stands and am not able to put up the required energy to be as consistently successful at night like I was three years ago. What’s happening is that I’m half-assing both types of game which is reducing my results than if I went full time with either one. I’m not sure which path to take from here.

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Point 5. is a commonly held view, which is incorrect (and limiting). As Krauser and I say, daygame is actually dirtier than night game. Just because she’s carrying her college books and sipping a smoothie doesn’t mean she won’t suck you off in Starbucks toilets an hour later. I’d argue with point 2. as well, which is related to the above. You put yourself into either boyfriend or lover box – most guys are doing daygame in boyfriend mode. SDLs are very common if you’re doing it in adventure-sex mode.

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I am the lover type who prefers missionary sex on real beds.

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Hey man, not even sure this is true either. I’ve trained guys 1 on 1 who’ve never done a day of day game in their life, and have actually picked up and taken home girls on the same day (in London). Hot girls too.

I think we have to be careful in throwing around numbers like 0.5% etc, it’s tempting to do this as men but let’s be honest, we don’t really have an accurate way of judging this. In this comment I’m reporting only what I’ve seen with my own eyes.

A lot of it depends on your standards of course, and whether they are unrealistically high based on your current abilities / aesthetic, and where you live of course (i.e. how “shiny” you are in that environment).

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Nice subtle spam, but it’s hard to take anything you say concerning what I write seriously when you gossiped about me like a woman after we met in London.

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Brawl with Jabba for YouTube.

The buff white boy vs. the sparwly fiery Turk. From my combat sports experience id put my money on the people of the Sun-fast, aggressive, and dynamic.

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Whoa when did this happen Roosh? I don’t remember reading anything about you in the negative by the London lot before

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Loved how you called him out- you would challenge him to a fight. It’s the manly thing to do. You guys know I’m right if you knew any old heads from Vietnam or WW2 you know all those guys would’ve deck your ass if you disrespected them. I have a friend who was in Nam and worked in an airport- everyone a motorist would cuss him and flip him off on an adjacent street he would walk from
The sidewalk to their car and hit them in the throat or drag them out of their car and beat them for flipping him off. I told him to be careful as some cars might start popping off rounds at him. My grandma was a Nam era guy and if you disrespected him he’d knock the crap out of you. I got used to getting hit when I boxed from spending time with gramps. Today we bitch on the Internet (myself included). Although at times I want to tackle people and beat them into a pulp but if you get busted you’ll be on lock down for a few years and homeless or minimum wage when you get out. It’s all so repressive nowadays in America as it would’ve been nice to have got out of high school met a loyal wife made enough to buy a house, 2 cars, vacations, raise kids and the wife stay home on a mans salary, and knock the crap out of a freak who insulted or tried to harm you like the old school guys did.

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I’d like to see infields of Roosh doing daygame so I could compare his style to Torero, Krauser and Jabba. His book seems very different to what these guys recommend. Maybe it’s an American thing?

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I would add that in a city like London, where lot of people move with the aim of searching for adventures and excitement, cannot be so unlike to meet a girl wandering during daytime and whose sole aim and thought in that moment is: “I’d like so much to meet a guy now who’ll take me to a Starbucks bathroom and fuck me doggy-style.” Big city with a lot of expats, anonimity, search for trasgression and something you can’t do in your home-town or village.
I strongly doubt this could never happen in any city of Poland, Ukraine or Romania, just to say a few.

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The average guy does not live is a poosey paradise such as London where the women come in with very low ASD. In fact it’s like this anywhere in Europe. If Krauser and with crew really wants to impress us Americans, he needs to get his ass to the East Coast for a spell.

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I respect your results guys. But even Krauser buggers off to EE and London to get girls, like you two occasionally, so in all due fairness, the quanitity of sex must be going down as well as the quality in the UK. I mean, I live here and have lived elsewhere, and I was not so impressed by British women compares to ten years ago. They are now Brutish women by and large. You guys do excel at game, but it is a full time day job and london has advantages that most other cities don’t in that you are often scoring with tourists looking for adventure sex. To top it off, british guys have no other goal in life than to get laid and have their country overrun with immigrants, so its not surprising that you guys have the time and energy to engage in mass debauchery when on ten to fifteen years time your ass gets handeda down to you. I was born here but this place is crap, Ive seen what goes on at the upper levels of society (house of lords etc) and lived in other countries too, where i saw all levels of society. Compared to other places, Britain is fucked and so are the English especially. in the head. So what is the point of taking advice from english or london based guys who I see all the time, even in medicine and in the careers, who are outclassed by everyone else and whose nation and race is not going to exist less than fifty years from now. You guys are insane! but a sign of the times nonetheless, when you are lauded for doing the very thing that is destroying yourselves and future generations. So I guess you’ll keep getting laid until britain is broke and overrun with people. And in that space of ten years it may be good. And the. after that? Do you spread like a cancer to another place to destroy it as well? Lets face it, England is no more and you are just scummy parasites to be shunned by the restbof humanity because they will recognise shortly you have no value to offer. Shut up, enjoy getting laid, and then reap what you have sown imbeciles. Honestly, I was glad to meet white men who were worthy people, because there are not any amongst the English.

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tl;dr: I prefer to whine about unemployed Pakistanis and London Zionist bankers who get chicks rather than put any work into improving myself.

(This is the tl;dr of every Seth Datta post, so no more need to read his walls of text.)

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Wow how ballsy. You couldve left a name instead of anonymous. And as far as I know, in that case you may even work for the SPLC or ADL trying to discredit any voices. That’s why you didn’t read it, and gave yourself those upvotes. And don’t tell me about self-improvement, cause I have lived in 5 countries and speak all those languages, have seen things you haven’t and have 3 science degrees – not that any of this makes me any better of a person, because it doesn’t, but I hammer home the point that I know that this is one of the few nations that won’t exist by mid this century at the rate things are going. Its like we all need to change our ways – adapt or die.

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You’re right about the Zionists- they want white people to die out because they’re the only ethnic group that has historically been smart enough to organize and resist their usury and cultural subversion. I’d bet on China and Russia-when ZOG fiat bank global pushes them too far- it’ll be on like Donkey Kong bcuz not every Nation and group wants to be a golem for them.

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Rotflmao

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Not really Tom. Day game the ASD is way higher. This is why I can expect to fuck girls in the back of their car within a couple hours of meeting them much easier at night. The only way that you can really circumvent this is to game online were the ASD is not as high. I gamed a 19 year old and fucked her a couple days later like a little whore after she got out of class. Not even remotely possible with day game. Image how I could have done that. Walk up to her in front of her friends?
LOL Come on guy, stop trying to sound like you are so fucking smart it’s starting to get retareded with you London guys. YOu live in a different world than most Americans and you bad mouth Mystery and Roosh to make yourselves look better. Just let you work rest on the merit of what it is and back the fuck off of us American gamers. Everybody knows that Krauser is one of the best out there right now…so just chill the fuck out.

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LOL at “SDLs are very common.” Once a year is not common, Tom. Don’t lie to us again.

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Dear Uncle Roosh,
All I want to know is why are Americans so into useless small talk and can’t seem to get ever to the point or beat around the bush in doing so?

What kind of cowardly or cheesy culture of people is too afraid or hesitant to get to the core of a matter and not waste their own or other people’s time in doing so?

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Answer: A luxurious feminized culture. We are too rich in material goods to aspire for other riches. Happens in all white man #1 economies. Halfway looking forward to the culling process to come. Who would rather fade away like it is now?

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The useless small talk is Zionists (who deny God and see themselves as God and worship evil and money (hence why goldman sachs got a bailout after their usury). andrew jackson called them vipers, coded in the same way the bible did. There is no such thing as a joo, the bible talks of people from Judah. They came to egypt from a preegyptian civilization and were kicked out for their ways. they invented the talmud, the basis for all western laws and banking today. The real talmud is the palestinian talmud. Their laws state that only they are men, all other peoples are dogs to be used. They invented abuse leading to multiple personality disorder in 570bc. This is how they control their elite and get them to futher their cause.

Christ was exposing them, so they killed him. Got ejected out of 109 countries in the two millenia since, sometimes more than once. they were the zionist british empire, genociding many and whom the founding fathers and boers fought. They invented concentration camps for white people during the boer war 1899, before hitler. They made Russia communist and killed 100 million Christians and invented WW2 to make their false homeland. Shemtic people are brown. These ashkenazis are white people and genetic studies have proved this to be true for ninety plus percent of joos. After WW2 they planned to have fewer european babies and rercreate conditions at the tower of babel, through mass immigration. They caused nam and created al quaeda in 1970 through Brzezinski. Then they kept a one world currency for oil through wars in iraq and afghanistan.

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Now they are cleaning up house by using taxpayer funds of all formerly caucasian nations to clean up their enemies in the middle east, whilst they shift jobs abroad, use more immigration and get nations in debt to the banks, which are all jooish(false joos). The ashkenazis are just mere jooish converts following a luciferian politicaxl agenda as set out in their bible, which replaced the real jooish bible. The joos look white and they must kill the white man so they can be the only white man left and therefore rule and own the rest. They do not believe in heaven, so their idea of heaven is to make their race the wickedest on earth, owning all, whilst others suffer to create this agenda. Read a real copy of the talmud and look at history, it is all true and we are fed manipulations.

in all due fairness, whilst jews are 4 percent of the population of the west or slightly more (more than what is claimed, that is a fabrication to hide their numbers), half or more are just useful idiots and are not evil. They may be i

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The other half of joos are genetically bred over generations to be sociopaths who seek supremacy over all. getting others to do their dirty work and die for them. I just wish that theyd be more upfront about it all and admit it, instead of pretending and being brainwashed to believe theyre doing good. Finally, I want them to find Truth, to not destroy Chrsitianity and all other religions, to not destroy righteousness in the world and to stop creating wars and conditions, which will ultimately lead to the enslavement of other races and almost the total destruction of white people. is that too much to ask for?

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Better be careful Seth! With all the global Freemason-Illuminati secrets you’re exposing here, the SPLC, ADL, and NWO will probably do the same thing to you that they did to Roosh (according to you):

the ADL or SPLC had hired goons to put something in Roosh’s food or water

That must be the *real* reason for your low T-count and impotency!

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shut up idiot. if you dont work for these guys, then one day sooner or later they will get rid of you as you become exoendable. The fact that you try to discredit me and read my later comments reveals you. I don’t fear you so shut up c0cksucker.

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by the way, i have never mentioned freemason, illuminati or nwo. ever. you are obviously a paid shill for joos. replace all those words with zionism and there you go. moron.

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From a rather hateful “conversation” with one of them some years ago, their count lies somewhere between 100M – 500M worldwide.

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Arent they all ethnic Georgians aka Khazars?

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How do we know the veracity of
All these claims against the Jews to be 100% accurate. Answer this.

I’ve read Nesta Webster, Ezra Pound, Frotz Sprinmeier, David Duke, David Irving, Michael Hoffman, Ted Pike, Texe Marrs and of course all the mainstream junk they had in school. Honestly there are no built like a Spartan, 100k/yr net income (except maybe the guys peddling their books), with stunning women, and an overall great life celebrating this cynical literature. It’s all kind of disenfranchised, bitter guys. Honestly, we should pray for our enemies- the circle of hate gets us no where and that’s a truth its taken me several years to realize.

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i like the disenfranchised bitter guys diatribe that keeps getting bandied around anytime anyone writes anything negative against the joos. It honestly would not surprise me if the ADL or affiliate had paid to have a few guys go around and troll anyone who tells the truth about them, since they control much of the internet and then control the online voting. You even try to make yourself sound like you are into the truth when you are just a liar. Shut up.

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This is so true and it seems to be getting worse with each and every single day. America has become a nation of hocus pokus double-standards and outright cowards. It is hard to have a conversation with most people without an agenda as part of the conversation. The point is not to make a point but to elevate oneself above the other.

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Mostly true, especially the type of girl you meet. 2 points:

1. I disagree with #1. My personality is such that if I have an unsuccessful night out alone, and spent money on drinks and such, I not only had no fun, but hate the experience. I don’t enjoy the club atmosphere unless it’s a unique night out with old friends. I go for one reason: girls. Whereas I could spend the entire day in a coffee shop, happily reading and getting actual work done, and meet a variety of girls in the process. My life just feels better that way. But, I am biased bc I also prefer the type of girl I meet in the day as well.

2. Keep in mind not all men come to this blog looking for ONS. Many want game in order to have a relationship of some kind, even if it is a mini. If you have an average day job, it is simply too draining and unfulfilling to pursue ONS often. For these men, “day women” and day game are much more likely to be rewarding, for it tends to be quality over quantity.

(Though night game does give you much quicker game experience. I consider it to be “Leveling Up” for the real fight. #geek)

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“I look forward to a 2-hour day game session as much as going to the gym to lift heavy weights.”

WTF? I LOVE lifting heavy weights. Not just because of the results, but I genuinely have fun with the whole ritual of going to the gym, doing my routine, varying it, working through plateaus, paying attention to how my body changes with time, and keeping it in top working condition. Even little things like breaking in a new pair of weight lifting gloves or connecting with like minded folk in a gym while traveling in a different country for work or pleasure bring me joy in small doses.

“it’s impossible to have fun from a day game session that doesn’t result in gaining at least one solid prospect…less satisfaction… not able to put up the required energy”

Man, you seem like you are in one heck of a rut. Maybe depression? Maybe low testosterone levels? Maybe a lack of hobbies/interests that have a social aspect and involve meeting other people both during the day and night?
I think of what Bruce Lee once said, that the highest form he hoped to attain, was to have no form. Some of the most memorable days of my life have been when I was doing something like surfing, or SCUBA, or dance lessons (never too late, I started at 37, Zouk is popular in Brazil now and a great option TRY IT), was not consciously day gaming, but was unconsciously using day game techniques in a way that I had previously practiced.

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Or perhaps he is just being real, talking about the dark side of daygame is not going to be pretty.

i.e., lifting/muscle , requires consistently working out for at least 90 days and about 4x a week and 45 minute a day. That is the truth. That doesn’t sound like fun.

I do day game, it takes me 10 approach to find one good prospect, and than out of the five prospect you get a date, than out of 2 dates, you might get her home. Just being real.

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BullShit… One Set to Failure… ans that’s it…

« If you like exercice, chances are you’re doing it wrong » Arthur Jones !

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I think it’s possible to see daygame as fun,just because You are outside enjoying the vibe of a good day,you can walk a lot fitting your body and plus You can get i-date,several numbers.
Solo daygame is the most difficult yes,but it’s possible to have fast result too,and it is not so akward like solo club game.

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The point about day game I don’t like is that once you’ve been doing it for a while, you’ve got to tame the “approach weasel” that tells you to open women every time you go outside. It’s hard to just relax and be content with dating a handful of women at a time.

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Approaching during the day is way harder than at night I think. But once you get creative with it, you can find excuses to approach.

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I have the opposite problem now. I rarely go out to clubs, and when I do I’m more anxious about approaching, since you can’t use the same approach as in the daytime. The blowouts are harsher, but the reward of potentially escalating things faster is part of the tradeoff.

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What are some fo the best night game sources? I personally just use daygame theory by Krauser, Torero, Jabba…or pieces of it..recently I realized I have more success at night than during the day. Simple escalation, really…eyes, touch, dance, seductive whisper, kiss close..although am much closer to the daygame type of a man than jacked nigh game dude, I guess it’s being the eye player and knowing how to escalate and see IOI’s that brings me results.

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Now, I have to say I still prefer daygame because you develop more as a man, you can do it way more often and you see the real girl as she is but I never miss a relatively rare chance for good nightgame escalation.

I DONT agree with any of the points in the article. Vibe acquired from direct daygame serves me extremely well, as well as calibration, IOI spotting, being relaxed etc…I’d recommend to anyone to learn proper daygame model first and then apply condensed version of it for their night game.

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I have fun in any environment as long as I interact with pleasant, feminine hot girls…cafe, nature has it’s pros, as well as heated dance in a club. Daygame is not a street. It’s a daytime interaction, can be from forced IOI, indirect direct, accusation etc…

Point two…I just think that in a club you meet more girls going for fast sex…but the same girl can be just as quickly and effectively SDLed, club or not. And in central Europe chicks don’t go to clubs to fuck, so it’s probably easier to intiate the interaction but the process is the same, nightgame or daygame, sometimes you get to the kiss and then it morphs into R-boyfriend territory…basically, I’d say nightgame and daygame in central Europe are just different parts of mating process, but there are not many differences.

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As much as I hate to admit it-day vs night is a matter of age. Under 30 night game, over 30 day game.

If you guys know of a culture where average guys over 30 can go out at night and pull hot college girls I stand corrected otherwise this seems to be the law of the jungle and Imwould advise guys in their mid 20s who are half assimg their game development to go all in until you get what you want out if the game. I’m not saying being older is impossible but I’m saying seize the day now. If I knew what I knew back then now- oh man! But still Inagree with alpha male rapper Juicy J-‘you gotta hustle til u die. Keep approaching as Chris from gll says its a numbers game. The irony is if we didn’t live in such toxic Anglosohere societies we could marry well and young and not have to wade through all this social hubris. Thanks Gloria Steinem-you wretched tyrant!

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Solo daygame can be fun if you enjoy wandeirng around cities, especially European ones. I find being low energy but aware helps from getting burnt out or bored. Krauser has written about ‘stateless game’ where you don’t have to pump yourself to a social mood to approach.

I can deal with nightlife but i’m not crazy about it, especially when the best quality requires a bit of entourage/connection (at least in the US.)

Night daygame is a possibility, ‘gutter game’ as they call it. No alcohol, covers, DJs. You’ve written about it in day bang and other works.

I recommend checking out some of Tom & Krauser’s stuff. It’ll give you a new mindset for familiar situations.

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Great points day game, however I would say the declining night game has more to do with the internet dating then gaining popularity of day game I would venture to say.

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In the US nightlife is dying be wise if the police state duis, less discretionary income, and the internet/social media.

I would love to hear about how the reality is for the dating and mating process cycle (how many dates, chicks prefer clubs social circle what kind of game works best for them- direct,Etc) in major Eastern Eurooean cities (Tallinn, Wroclaw, Kiev, Bucharest, etc.).

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Forget about US or Canada nightlife, you’ll just waste your money,time,energy and nerves. North American women are only interested in money and status in the society and will only see you as a walking wallet.
I don’t have enough information about Tallinn, Wroclaw or Bucharest, but can give you a lot of information about Kiev.
Please remember that I ain’t no fan of the Game itself and my thoughts may slightly differ from the ones of the Gamers here.
All it takes to get a meaningful date in Kiev and in Ukraine in general is a personality, open mind and lack of double standards, hidden agenda and hypocrisy (YES, last 3 qualities are indeed VERY “popular” in North America). Ukrainian/Russian women likes those who dare to differ, to lead by example, to stand own ground and back words up with deeds. You do not need any special Game in order to get a date in Eastern Europe, it’s better to forget about the Game at all if you really want to get an honest and genuine girl! Trust me, it IS possible. Almost any girl in Ukraine, Kiev or other cities is approachable, especially if you do it with respect and firm understanding of what you are gonna do and say. Ukrainian girls love honesty and respect since local males have a bit of a weird way of understanding how a real relationship and sex should work.
To sum it all up: you don’t really need any Game in Eastern Europe, in our case-in Ukraine, just be yourself, lead the way, treat women with respect, honesty and integrity and dare to be positively different. Try to learn a bit of a local language, be it Russian or Ukrainian (Russian is better since you can also use it in Russia), but more and more women these days can speak at least some English.
If you have any questions-feel free to ask.

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What are some streets and areas if town I should look into booking for a centrally located apartment in Kiev?

Is it possible for a regular guy in his mid 30s to marry a gorgeous 22 yo?

If I told the girl I want sex and to marry her would she act crazy with clown game like US chicks or would she use logic and be ready to get serious as Im looking for a wife so I need the best strategy to do this in Ukraine.

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1. Anywhere downtown Kiev is nice. Look for areas like Pechersk, Lesi Ukrainki blvd, Shevchenko blvd, , Hreshatik st., preferably close to the subway line. Subway and buses are extremely cheap, fast and their network is wide and reliable. But I’d personally recommend you to come to a smaller city in Ukraine and look there. Kiev is a bit too snobby and too Westernized.
2. It IS possible for a regular guy in his mid 30s to marry a gorgeous 22 y.o. girl! It’s all in your hands: take good care of yourself, be clean, do some sports, be able to hold a meaningful conversation and do NOT overindulge in smoking or alcohol. Just be a manly man!
3. If you are looking for a Ukrainian WIFE, then you shouldn’t emphasize SEX in the first place, trust me, you’ll get an abundance of sex if you behave like a MAN and not just like another foreigner coming to Ukraine to get his quick sexual fix. If your intention is to MARRY a Ukrainian girl, then don’t flash your Canadian or American passport, this is a bonus but not a joker for you! EVERY Eastern European lady LOVES sex and intimacy and understands that NO relationship will evolve without a healthy and fulfilling sexual pleasures, which is completely the opposite to the North American perception that a relationship should be based on MONEY and status in the society and everything else comes second or third.
Again, do NOT emphasize sex in the first place and you won’t even notice how it’ll naturally become one of your priorities in a very short time! I’m talking about BOTH of you here, pal:-)
4. When are you planning to go to Ukraine by the way?
Feel free to ask if you need any help!

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I like your pragmatic analysis, and you represent both positive and negative.

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I see day game and internet as the only viable options in the west to meet women. Quality on the internet is much less obviously and the night game is long dead in the US. Have you noticed that professional PUAs who does this for living are very lean and thin. That’s because day game is physically demanding. You’re on your feet chasing cute bangable chicks for hours. The club or bar stays 22. You grow old but the club stays 22. At some point you’re sick and tired of dealing with shitheads and cockblocks and beta orbitals at night. Girls are their true self and they are prone to suggestion when they are alone. Too bad that girls don’t go to bars at night solo. A hook up would have been certain. In the day light they are alone and you have to put the work, chasing them, and play the numbers game

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Daygame is physically demanding? Jesus man, you must be in rough shape.

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In some cities, running good day game can lead to miles of walking…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmYT6qlyIws&t=1m08s

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What’s your point? We’re designed to walk for miles. If you can’t, or it’s ‘physically demanding’, you got problems.

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Yeah, i guess if social circle does not pan out (most guys meet their partners this way, more than ever) then you’re kinda screwed without internet game and daygame. And with daygame you need time, a good city and logistics, so many guys do not even have that. I have lived in towns also, where the majority population was elderly, but in the UK distances are not as bad as some parts of europe where some guys live that are more remote and if they cannot capitalize on the few opportunties (sometimes a boon) then they are out of luck.

You say daygame is a viable option, but for most men, it would not work due to the above factors and their adaptibility to such game. I honestly think most people in future would not be able to afford to go out often and will be too busy working or doing other stuff to game. Women will expect even more and deliver even less, for I definately see a drop in physical standards here and more women opt to go lesbo or some other shit. Daygame only works in a society where jobs pay well, there are enough hot women in the area and when women expect less instead of the crap they see on TV etc.. I think that game has a grim future as most people will be asocial, especially women, as we are being socially engineered to be such. Sure, a few guys will do well, but not so much due to game as due to the fact that the society just favors those traits, like basically communism and totalitarianism meet and some men benefit from that arrangement, that would not thrive elsewhere. But game will not help most men in such a society, not that theyd have time or opportunity, and even then id imagine random daygame would become a thing of the past to be replaced either by social media or social connections. You can see the smartphone epidemic as well as people becoming less socialised. Im not sure I like the ides of such a future, and there may be some holdouts, moreso outside the westernized nations and towns.

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Whores. Cheaper than “game”

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True, but men want to feel like women want more that their wallet.
Modern western women have everything and deliver nothing.
There’s the alpha for a fling or flings.
the husband.
athe ex boyfriend she can’t get over.
the orbiter
etc..

all these men are fucking her at the same time or vying to. She has so much choice and declines in standards as she doesnt have to live up to anything. this is of course with rampant feminism and the decline of the west because the men are declining and being made weak.

Eventually, whore game will be the norm in a totalitarian society. then it will become sexbots as the norm. This is not as good as it sounds as eventually the planners will make sex so hard to get in that its function will be to make future citizens for the state and all your other time should be spent working for peanuts. Slave. Hence why the current state of things is bad because we have too many people, not enough jobs, and all things of value have disappeared to be replaced by toilet paper money.

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Fleshlight. Cheaper than “whores”

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Roosh my friend, you sound two blog posts away from quitting game entirely.

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He just needs a break. Players don’t quit the game, they just settle down with a pretty girl for a while.

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The pretty girl sounds good, but I think Roosh needs to find a life goal, for that will be what motivates him and drives him in life. for most men, the girl is the goal, or girls, which is wrong. He can now have his priorities straight and have a life goal which gets him out of bed, as the girl is just an add on to his life. The problem, is finding that life goal, for it is easy for some men, but I could imagine a man who struggles his entire life to find something meaningful that motivates him. Obviously fighting feminist destruction of society through his blogs is not meaningful enough for him, though it is a worthy cause, so I guess he has to take some time out and think what he wants to achieve in life that is personally rewarding.

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Two potential scenarios:
(1) He had so much poosey that all girls are the same. Hence he is disillusioned, because its like “is that all there is?”. It wouldnt matter if he banged supermodels on the regular, because he seeks more than just a bang.
(2) guys attract and repel girls based on their personality and style, perhaps he should try changing himself in a different direction and he will meet a different type of girls. I know this smacks of NAWALT, but fiver percent really are different, not necessarily better,but differently motivated etc.

like women, most men did not develop over centuries to bang tons of women. We are made for a purpose in life and without that purpose we become lost. For a player, to keep banging women and not become jaded means that there is a man there with no soul, no conscience. I think Roosh has a problem in that he has experienced a lot of women, so whilst manyi men would accept less unknowingly (eg a schlub wifing up a hoe), roosh understands that women are exceptionally fallible from experience and cannot trick himself into falling for one. So what do you do if you want more than just a bang, almost all women are the same, and you cannot erase your experience and feelings?

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roosh has his soul and conscience kick in, so of course he asks is this whatni want. is this all there is. An over arching life goal is needed to find balance in life.

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i got both books bang and day bang. is bang really useless now that the night game is dead?
should we leave entirely and just stick to learnin day game?
they say my city is similar to toronto but ive seen guys pull 7s n up …..even beta lookin guys.

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It all depends where you live. You’d be saying night game was the game if you lived in Miami or Prague but if you are in a lame mediocore place then I’d say day game is better as boric as that sounds. If you’re under 30 hustle hard man-time is cruel to all of us do go after your goals with relentless vigor.

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Ok if thats the case how does Vancouver stack up to those cities? Would night game still be worth it?
Like we are sterotyped to being shy and that vancouver girls are picky.

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The best way to know a City is to go out and meet new people. I believe in marriage so I would say that should be your goal. Any reasonable man is going to want sweet, feminine women who are good to deal with. In my mind this is Catholic girls countries like Colombia, Poland, and the Philipines.
From what I’ve read about Vancouver its supposed to be better in that region of the World (Seattle, Portland, Etc) for food, girls, lifestyle,etc. so don’t view your geography as blight (you could be in Birmingham, AL or Mississippi) just go and meet new women and try to find the right one for you.

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If you guys want chime in on this-

Does anyone else think America is a clown fest?

Today I go out today-a friend introduces me a heavy set chick- she told me I looked good 2x-tried to number close- got blown out, and they talk clown game, 4s are walking around acting like 9s, our waiter was an annoying flamer man, a young teenage guy is with two blondes his age acting like a chatty effeminate freak, there’s cops all over the place, more Mestizos in the vicinity to make you feel like you’re in Monterey, hood men crews from a 3 6 mafia video riding around the shops (probably plotting on car parts in the lots), etc.

This is America today- need some balloons for this clown convention.

Red pill men have got to be having designs on relocation-it’s the only sound choice now in such a toxic environment.

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Yeah, it’s a circus.

Fortunately, there are still plenty of thin and cute girls around the US of A, but you’ve got to look past the dancing bears and sideshow freaks to find them.

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Night game is just so much more fun in my opinion. Girls during the day feel awkward talking to strangers, I don’t have the patience to ease into a conversation with them by acting innocent. I like being aggressive, dangerous, and sexy. Gotta hit the clubs for that attitude.

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I refrain from going to bars in NYC to pickup since the grand majority of them have a 2-1 ratio over women.

Clubs are full of loud music and women that come for the attention, validation and test their value in the dating marketplace.

Day game in that way is slightly superior but here in nyc, the trick is getting them to stop…

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“The trick is getting them to stop…”

Ain’t it the damn truth haha. So many fine girls walk past me everyday but would probably literally run me over if I crossed paths with them. Heels don’t even slow them down that much. New York girls need to slow the fuck down every once in a while (though that could probably be said of New Yorkers in general).

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In a large city like NY, everyone is too darn busy, and women can be wary of strangers, it is such an overcrowded city. If you are not in their social circle, you might as well be a mugger or something.

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Check out Janka… this is not NYC but man, he stops a girl on the phone and gets her number…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCTtyZxOFBg

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Now, I’m totally in the amateur ranks compared to guys like Roosh, so I am not risking burnout like he seems to be, but I enjoy day gaming. In any given week, I’ll attempt 3-4 random conversations with women in public, and it’s actually a pretty neutral experience. Neither fun, boring, or any other emotion. That being said, when the conversation ends with a number, it’s incredibly fun.

Roosh, it seems you have created a lifestyle as a professional cocksman, and with any sort of grind, shit gets old. With your perspective being so unique, informative, and insightful, I would never wish you that you would retire from the niche that you’ve created for yourself, but you might want to switch it up for a bit. Maybe head back to Latin America. The Eastern bloc with it’s drab, Soviet architecture and shitty food might be getting to you. Plus, with global tensions being what they are, you never know when shit will hit the fan. A gambler always has to remember when it’s best to cash in.

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Roosh get your T levels checked and get back to us. Maybe you’re just running a quart low?

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I wouldnt be surprised if the ADL or SPLC had hired goons to put something in Roosh’s food or water. Anyone who protests, especially leaders, are taken care of. Even if they are more or less harmless. It is the act of leadership or being angry with the status quo that is seen as heretical by banksters, who control society at all levels by reducing the effectiveness of real leadership and leaders, then replacing them with banker owned puppets.

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It’s called getting old. The energy centre moves up.

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I disagree about day game not being fun. I find it to be more fun and enjoyable than night game. Let’s not forget the fresh air and being able to see the girl with 100% clarity wink

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I disagree about day game not being fun. I find it to be more enjoyable and fun than night game. And let’s not forget the benefit of being actually able to see what the girl really looks like smile

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Dont listen to dem fagot english pussies, all they can do is brag how they lay some dumb ugly ee broad who is a 6 at best in her own country, Anyone english natives can do that, its sad how they consider themselves ‘teachers’. pathetic

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I’m so happy these lame “pick up artists” have left DC years ago. It’s a much nicer town without them and their constant whining (and their curious inability to “pick up” women despite being self-proclaimed “pick up artists”).

I’ve always wondered what happened to them…and now we know. Whining on the internet from their mothers’ basement about how Obama, “multiculturalism” or “feminism” is to blame for the fact that they can’t get laid in America. LOL

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Turn towards the dark side and embrace evil. Praise LUCIFER, the beautiful Light Bringer!

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Somebody has to bring indirect game back. Direct is too easy and raises ASD during the day. Even at night, a little indirect doesn’t hurt. It’s easy for me to go hyper-sexual direct such as “you look like you could use some good cock” but that really isn’t game. Real game is indirect.

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Day game worked alright for me in Guangzhou and Hunan. It was mostly girls coming up to me wanting to take pictures of or with the funny Black foreigner, which segued into “language exchanges”. It is my belief that just being a foreigner can give you a few points, and it could probably work the same with foreign women in your native country. Being the “right kind” of foreigner will get you more points, of course.

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The fastest way to meet chicks in my opinion is to make friends with people you can stand in a town. You never know when some average girl has a smoking hot roommate. I’ve seen it a million times. Plus it gives you total validation once the friend has accepted you. There may be some friction when you jump from dumpy to hottie, but they understand that’s the way it is. Making friends with dudes is not the way to do it, because they may be losers with no girlfriends themselves, and then you’re out hunting with another sausage, unless of course he’s popular.
Anyway, I just think meeting average people in a place, and getting in is better than going straight for the hot chick cold and making a rep for yourself.

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As long as you can stay in centrally located apartments in cities with a large number of younger girls, you will not have to consciously “game” as much as in years past.

I don’t think you need to focus on day game or night game. I would say “lifestyle” game is more important. Also, logistics and location seem to be more important than day or night.

Just live around women and your instincts will get pussy for you.

I enjoy day game but I’m the rare exception I guess. It does often require more time investment to get sex. “Spamming” is one way to describe it but I prefer other definitions. I can’t comment on day game zapping motivation for night game because I don’t night game (I’m not much of a drinker). It probably is better for finding relationships rather than fast sex but I have had plenty of fast sex also. Lots of first and second date sex.

You will find a creative solution.

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“I’m the lover type who prefers missionary sex on real beds.”

–Kinda disappointing. Thought a guy who quit his career in microbiology to become a professional sex addict might get kinkier.

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It is all about how you look, dress and your line. If you are fat, short, ugly, well you are not going to do well, unless you have a lot of money. London has a real problem with Jamaican violence. Decent men and women, who might go out and meet up for a quick session, will either be mugged, raped or beaten up by a pimp. Yep, it is rare, but often enough to keep people at home. Asian men are famous for pimping, they are also dirty. Most hookers wont have anything to do with them.

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There is another dark side. Doing daygame becomes an addition, because daygame give us so much adrenaline, we start to become more sucesfull with girls And if for some reason we find a girl and have a closed relationship, it becomes damn hard to don’t speak to cute girl that you see in the streets that you really like and you want to know, but you have to ignore her, because, you made a promise to your girl that you are not going to look for more girls… most of the woman that we have in our life don’t like the fact that we are fucking other girls, as my girl, that loves me with all her heart, but she would never accept me fucking or dating other woman.

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There is another dark side. Doing daygame becomes an addiction, because daygame give us so much adrenaline and we start to become more sucesfull with girls And if for some reason we find a girl and have a closed relationship, it becomes damn hard to don’t speak to a cute girl that you see in the streets that you really like and you want to know, but you have to ignore her, because, you made a promise to your girl that you are not going to look for more girls… most of the woman that we have in our life don’t like the fact that we are fucking other girls, as my girl, that loves me with all her heart, but she would never accept me fucking or dating other woman.

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Damn day game was all i did in my early 20’s, I use to work at the mall an this mall was in a prime location. For beautiful women even the older women there were sexy lol but anyway that was all i did, an sure sometimes i got nothing an other times i got numbers like it wasn’t nothing. Of course it was very physically demanding trying to talk to every attractive girl you see an dealing with the ones who don’t really wanna talk or just ignore you,so it has it’s pros an cons but still it helped me greatly with talking to an getting girls numbers. Even somewhat when it came to night game as well so sure we can say night game is better an to a certain extent it is, but its still great to know how to pick up women night an day.

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Roosh, did read I read that correctly in number 3? 5 to 10 notches per year on 1 approach a day ? Given that in my experience getting sex with a new, average looking girl is every 3 years means 5 new sex partners is 15 years worth of sex. 10 would be 30 years. lol.

When I calculated my approach to lay ratio it’s 1 in every 350 approaches. Most guys I know get 1 new girl every few years. And these are experienced dudes that have studied and applied game from various coaches and approach regularly. I’m in game 8 years now and If I score 1 new girl a year – I’m a GOD. My best was 3 lays in one year and that was utilizing every form (day, night, online, social circle). I’m not sure where the 5 to 10 notch per years comes from but it’s definitely not in NYC.

BTW: I’m buying your new book tonight – Game. Haven’t purchased any new material in over 5 years.