The Death Of Night Game

This podcast explores the decline of nightlife (bars and clubs) from 2001 to 2017. I first establish a baseline of the absurdly low level of game you needed in the past to succeed compared to what you need now, followed by an analysis of 15 observations that show how we have objectively suffered a decline. I close out the podcast by discussing how to solve the problems posed by a declining nightlife to still maintain a healthy sex life, which include being industrious and open-minded to alternate forms of game.

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Laguna Beach Fogey
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I haven’t listened to the podcast yet. My first reaction would be, is nightlife in fact declining, or have you reached an age where you’d you rather meet women at other sorts of venues?

I’ve observed that for a lot of older ladies and gents around here, ‘nightlife” consists of going to an upscale restaurant bar, ordering a glass of wine, listening to a jazz band, talking about mundane topics, and going home together.

Boring!

Roosh
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“My first reaction would be, is nightlife in fact declining, or have you reached an age where you’d you rather meet women at other sorts of venues?”

Both. The podcast shows an objective decline independent of my growing disinterest in night venues.

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It’s both the decline of opportunity and fun in nightlife and venues as well as the decline in interest by you, me and other men with a modicum of game to meet and mate “normal” women you meet during the daylight hours.

I’ve noticed both the obliteration of nightlife in the last 8 years. Venues I used to frequent are mere ghosts of what they were back in 2007-2009. However, the bigger factor is that I simply can’t stand the nightlife scene, nor the new crops of increasingly belligerent bitches that frequent them. I’m getting older, but the club stays 22 (to borrow from Stanhope). So I’ve become the “old guy” in a place overrun by “kids”. I’m not longer one of them. And gaming in those places is an exercise in futility, despite possessing twice the game I had a few years ago.

Now, the tribe down here still is mostly young men who are still pursuing night game primarily. I watch them produce very little results given the time, money and effort they put into night game — even compared to my feeble early game. I shake my head at how they dogmatically pursue night game with dated techniques. I cringe at some of the things done and said knowing they are employing things I read in “The Game”years ago. So night game is not just dead for older, maturing men. It seems to be a dead horse for young guys too.

Night game is indeed dead. So, adapt, or die. Or, plan for a sexless future.

Roosh
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Also keep in mind that the young girls in the club right now are in a different generation than you (Millennials vs Gen X). They were raised with different parenting standards and more technology.

just a human
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No no. Guys listen -there will never be such thing as sexless life. All the attractive women will always be fucked by man. Those holes will never stay empty. As one female doctor-dermatologist said to me- sex doesn’t change.

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Well, not for you and me. However, I know plenty of married men who are essentially in a sexless life, mainly because their wives withhold sex, and they are stuck in outdated framework of monogamous marriage. It’s up the individual to adapt or die. I think that was my point.

just a human
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Yes-as a night gamer who is not young, I should adapt. I don’t like day game and I hate online dating. What is interesting – in last months I am still getting some action in clubs- I kiss some girl almost every night when I am out, and I get numbers. But ONS dropped drastically in 2016. And not only for me- I have a few friends who are 10 years younger- the same. And I see what’s happening on dance floors – situation is not the same as used to be. I liked night game a lot. Let’s see what comes next..

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Are you in the USA and if so could it be a Trump effect? Is it possible there has been an anti-degeneracy backlash growing over the last two years among White American women who grew up in intact nuclear families?

just a human
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I am in eastern Europe. Things are slightly different here. If You are a normal guy,You can get a girlfriend. Maybe she will be slutty “serial monogamist” , with side affairs at her work,but that’s everywhere,i think. But night game is changing here too. And hate against man in relationships and marriage is rising too,but for different reasons -most man here are poor.

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My impression of Eastern European women is that they are much more pleasant to be with, because they retain femininity, but that absent a patriarchy, at root they are just as leaderless and unfaithful as Western women. And the destruction of patriarchy in Czechoslovakia, for example, was well underway with the Communist takeover way back in 1949, long before you and I were even born.

All Western men have done there post-1989 is latch on to an already unleashed hypergamy. Well, no one can blame the women for seeing a British soccer hooligan with money to blow as superior in some way, to their own broke men, nor blame the hooligan for wanting to bang a feminine woman who cares about her looks.

But 27 years in, and the hypergamous chickens may be coming home to the fantasy-land roost: ‘no man but the best is good enough.’

Let’s hope sweat, fat and blue hair are not shortly to follow. The winds of radical political change blowing in the West may save those ženkas yet.

Either that or their own men are starting to restore patriarchy, with Western degenerates near the top of their target list. I can imagine the most based young Hungarian men are now conveying to their women: ‘go Black, don’t come back; go Brit, you’re not worth a shit.’

just a human
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Anyway -from all I have read on Rooshv and ROK , I see that overall situation for both-players and those who want LTR is still much better in Eastern Europe than in West.

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Furthermore, the increased migration of men coming on student visas and h1bs and refugees has added a thirsty class of desperate men looking to get their “Western blonde”. Go to any nightlife establishment and see the amount of third world immigrants in those establishments. The bitch shield becomes much higher due to these thirsty leeches.

Stadtaffe
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forced multiculturalism has well contributed to the decline of venues for game..

Morrison
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“for a lot of older ladies ”

No for me, thank you. I’m in my late forties but I’ll pass on the old ladies.

prepz ☟
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That’s why I left America for places where younger women respect older, mature, and accomplished men. Here, 55 year olds think they deserve a young Brad Pitt.

Rudi
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Too opiniated and angry at that point. No fun.

Morrison
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Exactly. They’re pissed of because feminism didn’t deliver what it promised.

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Nightclubs are the worst places to meet women and people in general. If you want a “nice” girl in your life better meeting them in Church or some other place. Women who go to bars are looking for one night stands, if you want that kind of girl who spreads her legs for a stranger, chances are she won’t be a worthy life partner, won’t be a good mother/wife material. Only thing of value will be her vagina and that will be for a night, not much more.
Roosh you should stay in Eastern Europe, even with Trump, American women are just a waste of time, and drop in quality. Why have hamburger when you can eat steak?

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American women are a waste of time. I told a Hungarian woman to wear a thong for me and she replied yes with a smile. Try saying that to an American woman, she will think you are a creep and be offended by such a request, and chances seeing an American woman in a thong will make you vomit and lose your erection.
All the English speaking countries are a waste of time for punting. I even saw an Eastern European woman from the Czech Republic and an Australian side by side, and the difference in their behaviors were like night and day.
I have also noticed in the US, many young men are going for older women, Cougars, its disgusting to have sex with a woman who can be your mother.

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“I have also noticed in the US, many young men are going for older women, Cougars, its disgusting to have sex with a woman who can be your mother”

And usually the terms “Cougar” and “MILF” imply an older woman who at least looks halfway pretty, but now even the aged trainwrecks are getting wooed by younger dudes.

I was at a titty bar in South America once, and met an american guy, age 33 who was trying to score some tail there. It turned out that he has a girlfriend in America who was age 50, which he had plans to marry. He and I chatted about the dating scene in the States and he too openly admitted of how bad things are. I eventually asked him if the age difference between him and his bride-to-be bothered him, and he simply replied that she treats him well. He said too that they turn the lights down before they fuck so he won’t see her gray pubic hairs.

Seriously, the sexual marketplace has become so extreme and men have become so conditioned to want to have female companionship that they will take anything, and I mean ANYTHING.

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Roosh has been saying it time and time again, that an ugly woman in America that 30 years ago would have zero chance in attracting a man, gets attention from men left and right in bars and online dating sites. This is mostly because the female population in America has become older and more obese, but mainly because men have become emasculinated cucks. Most men under 35 have no real clue of what it means to be a man. Even I would say those 40 and below have pretty much a feminist perspective on women, even if they do not realize it. Many will put a mediocre or ugly woman up on a pedestal.

just a human
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Yes- tinder changed the night game a lot -in my country (eastern Europe) it became popular later-in second half of 2014. But it’s interesting,that now i hear,that a lot of girls start getting off of tinder. I think-this is the period when nobody knows what will be the next popular way to meet opposite sex. I asked one of those girls-where would you like to meet guys -in clubs,internet,where..? She said…”nowhere”. I think that,a drop in night game is temporary. Why? Because there is no new alternatives for real life entertainment. Dancing is also coming from pre – historic times.And it will not going a way. It’s in genes of humans.

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Quote: I asked one of those girls-where would you like to meet guys -in clubs,internet,where..? She said…”nowhere”.

That is what bothers me. The women hop on Tinder, try a bunch of cocks, lose their sense of the Male Mystery, and just get burned out in general. Their hormones are used up; a lifetimes worth of sex compressed into a year or two. 40 year old Sahara Snatch in a 20 year old body.

Sexual regulation and restriction gets the sex spread out over a longer time. Monogamy is best for women. Their brains really aren’t structured to handle things like Tinder.

I spoke to a Muslim warlord once, deep in the jungle. The pretty young reporter asked if it was true that he didn’t let the women use telephones. This was before smartphones. He replied in the affirmative. I stepped in, and asked him why. He explained, if women could use telephones, there was too much chaos from the gossip. Insurgencies can’t afford female betrayal, and the manpower to monitor all phone calls is absurd.

The Amish outlawed telephones and most modern technology 100 years ago for that exact same reason; a couple women started gossiping, and the gossip fractured the community.

just a human
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I agree. Their brains can’t deal with that amount of attention. And her answer “nowhere” means-that she is waiting. Waiting that there will come something – maybe new era of monogamy. Some are talking about this. I think that man should lead society in right way. But those who understand that, are still very small percentage.

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Yes, right about dancing, and I somehow think that face to face meetings and flirtings are also more in the genes of humans than typing and screens. Yes, interesting idea that the drop is temporary, of course it is, there will be another debaucherous or free-love epoch one day, we are at a turning point with Trump’s election, see what happens in Europe this year, but like your idea that there might be a new season for it one day

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Night game has been dead for a while now. In America, you can’t find enough night game in any city to make it worthwhile – excluding Vegas, Chicago, Miami, New York. It’s a shame because night game is the backbone of social self improvement through trial and error with different practice targets. No where else can you find such an optimum practice environment to work on your skills.

The night game decline just correlates to a changing society that is making it all but impossible to meet girls unless you are in her social circle. As technology increases, it only benefits people who are in her social circle and the top 20 percent of men. For your average joe blow, you just don’t stand a chance unless you have some kind of in with the girl.

Propinquity is the real key to getting women.

ForeverAlpha
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If you aren’t good looking, then you do have to run a ridiculous amount of numbers these days in order to score, assuming you aren’t in her social circle.

James
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When I saw the link I thought it was going to be a review of a cool new video game called “The Death of Night.”

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Great podcast, kind of depressing re: night game. i feel the same about universities as well. back around 2006/2010 era uni’s were so non political, i hardly ever saw a feminist and nights out were fantastic. now its so shit and just sjw filled.

anyway the difference between us and left is that we choose to look at reality for what it is. if night game is dead, then young men coming up have to move to where they can find good quality women

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I’ve been following Roosh for a while now, and learned a lot, it’s made me think about my own life. I grew up with a single mother, so obviously I have emotional issues, but I’ve gotten into personal development to strengthen myself.

I was wondering if Roosh has written about this topic, and/or what to do if one happen to happen to be weak most of his life? I just plateau most of the time.

Another thought I had about Roosh. He mentioned that he just happened to be born in the US, and (I might be wrong) doesn’t see it as his own country? How does he see himself? What does he live for? Since these fellow humans aren’t his, why put effort into helping them?

Thanks in advance.

vinder
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I only do night game, cold approaching sober in the daytime is insufferable for me.

Colin
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The bartender cockblocking doesn’t surprise me anymore but I’m still stunned that they would rather mate guard than make money. It’s worse at niche neighborhood pubs, in my experience.
Bars and restaurants have very slim profit margins and you turn away enough customers you’re gonna go out of business.

Steve
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I stopped spending money at bars for that exact reason. They treat male customers like shit, they can all go out of business for all I care

Quintus Curtius
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Great podcast.

Jordan
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I would attribute the death of night game to the birth of the smart phone. Even if you can find a club that has a decent ratio most women are on their phone the entire time. Hard to roll up and game a chick who is just out to be on Tinder with the hopes of finding a guy who is also within general proximity.

Also, I have noticed a decline in clubs in my general area. Many that used to be packed on any given Thursday, Friday, Saturday night are now closed. Talked to one previous manager who just said no one was coming anymore or if they did bought one drink and played on their phone for the entire night. Really, why go out and socialize when you can reach anyone who you would like to talk to on the internet?

I doubt many here will remember the singles bars of the 80’s and 90’s. Yes there used to be actual bars one would go to for the expressed purpose of meeting other singles. These bars had table numbers and phones where you could call another table to “flirt” with women. Before HIV/AIDS hit it was also the easiest place to set up a ONS. Basically back then if you bought a girl a drink it was implied you would be having sex that night. Now you buy a girl a drink and you are a beta chump who is going to be chocking the chicken that night if you want any sexual gratification.

Society is changing and game will change with it. For the hell of it I re-read The Pickup Artist a few months ago and was astonished about how 1/3 of it really doesn’t apply today. But, just as humans have adapted to other environmental changes so will game.

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Has roosh renounced night game? Is roosh a game denialist?
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dude
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I’m surprised the syphilis-ridden cultist hasn’t found a way to monetize podcasts. >D.

TinyKurtRussell
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I do okay with night game, but then again I’m 25. I think the key is to pick places you actually enjoy spending time and money in vs where you think the babes are gonna be.Good example-club around the corner from me has a Motown night on Wednesday with DJs spinning classic tunes on wax.i love vinyl. Also love that it attracts tons of hotties dressed up in their finest 70s vintage and ready to dance. I like the music and the atmosphere so when I meet women it’s just the cherry on top of a night that would have been great anyway. If you are having a good time and relaxed, chances are she is too. My .02

vinder
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If guys could order hot women on-demand on their smartphones like women can do through Tinder, they’d stop going out as well.

Mark Boris
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So glad I found a wife and got out. Although I must say I still compete with her damn phone for her attention.

TSK
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Night club life is sausage fest at best unless you are highly vetted or have some status. Average guys who use alcohol to muster up courage to talk to women.

Only very few guys use day game. There is no competition there.

Doing game without using alcohol takes skills for beginners.

Tousainte
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ok

Tousainte
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Listen up.. Can you handle the actual,factual truth. It’s real sad but perhaps best to know so one can save themself a lot of grief, in all manner of things.
Fact1.The chances of you even encountering the girl of your dreams looks & physical wise is As in “astronmical” !
Fact 2. Add to that, exponentially, the chances are astronomically high she’s attached!
Fact 3. “Sprinkle on to that a very healthy dose of the fact that chances are even if she’s unattached she won’t be attracted to you.
Fact 4. smother that with the depressing very high possibility that you might actually not like her! { foot note.. the love sick pup won’t care if he doesn’t like her or she doesn’t like him he will relentlessly trudge on if that means showering her with gifts and servitude till she sickens of him and mercilessly discards him!

The bottom line here? Finding her & developing that relationship that can only exist in your dreams is like winning the lottery.

Another truth: If you do meet her it will be way out of the blue when you are least
expecting it.

Advice: Get on with your life being selfish and always putting yourself first.

Get your lo loving from a good looking whore. It will be way CHEAPER ALL THINGS CONSIDERED..emotionally & $ wise not to mention al the time wasted!

Sorry but there you have it.. read it an weep.

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Similar to Laguna my first reaction is … “maybe you have just become older and therefore less attractive to young girls in a night club setting … where you have a lot of competition from guys looking like young Abercrombie&Fitch models”

An observation not yet discussed here is that the “age-ism”, i.e. the loss of value as a potential mating partner due to being “too” old compared to her, is much stronger in Western than Eastern Europe.

And age-ism can be much more easily overcome in daygame or a social-circle setting than a superficial night game setting.

Caveat: of course there are girls with a “daddy-complex”, girls who are atracted to much older guys … but are these the ones going to clubs …

Sorry if I was just not patient enough to hear the full podcast yet. … maybe you have covered these topics.

Oh, and by the way … great content !!!