A new song by rising Swedish pop star Tove Lo serves as a reminder to Western men how broken the current generation of women have become. Have a watch at this video:


The original version without the distorted vocals can be found here.

The song has a simple message: a young woman gets hurt by a guy and decides to ease the pain by going to the club, getting drunk, smoking reefer, and fucking random guys. This coping strategy doesn’t work too well in the video—a brief but visceral moment in the end shows her breaking down in tears as she wanders aimlessly in a drugged- out haze. We don’t know the guy who hurt her, but Taylor Swift can answer that in her mega-popular song Trouble, where she falls for a bad boy who gets into bar fights, is wanted by the police, and cheats on her in public view.

A generation ago, the behavior of Tove Lo would be seen as alternative, to say the least. To get over a man, a girl would typically cry alone in bed, write in her diary, listen to sad love songs, bake with her mother, and pray to God that the pain would ease. Now, we have the normalization of screwing bad boys to get over bad boys. If you flip the sexes, this is ironically the advice given to men studying game (“fuck ten girls to get over your oneitis”). Girls are finding that this does nothing more for them than decrease their ability to have relationships in the future, simply because women are not men. A lifestyle of whoring around is, surprisingly, completely destroying the worth of women as long-term partners, wives, and mothers.

It doesn’t need to be repeated, but girls like players. They like men who who have been approved (vaginally) by many other pretty women. But this doesn’t work the other way around. The more cock a girl has had in her, the less likely a man will want her beyond a basic lay, a fact that women are at least subconsciously aware of when they conceal their wildly promiscuous past to men they attempt to enter relationships with.

How would you feel if the girl you seriously liked, after breaking up with her previous boyfriend, fucked five guys in the course of a month, all of them at rapid speed, and let them experiment with her three holes as described in the popular “romance” books she has read, all while telling you, the man she is making work for her pussy, that she’s no longer looking for a “hook-up” and wants a man to be more chivalrous with her?

Unless you are the bad boy who gets to drill her quickly, I imagine your reaction would be the same as a girl’s if you told her the following:

“When I was younger, I always took girls to the most expensive restaurants in town, and occasionally I’d surprise them with a romantic weekend getaway to Paris in a private jet, but since then I’ve realized what is important in life and now practice minimalism. Snuggling up on the couch while watching romantic comedies on Netflix is far more meaningful to me today.”

She would undoubtedly feel robbed at being treated worse than girls of your past, as should you if discovering that you have to work harder for her body than men of her past.

This sluttification of women, which Tove Lo’s catchy song conveys as normal and even fun, is part of a culture where every man who seeks serious relationships with women is a soft cuckold, because he’s the last man in a 30-man gangbang trying to give tender kisses on the lips and labia of a woman who has been rode hard and defiled for years.

How can any man who approaches a girl today see her as more than a cum bucket? Because let’s be real: she has been serving as a cum bucket thanks to a perverse culture that methodically trains and encourages her to take buckets of cum from men who make her vagina tingle, all as a way to help her “grow” as a person, find herself, and become strong and independent, which means not sobbing for more than a day when the latest bad boy she fell for turned out to be a selfish person who didn’t value her beyond the sexual.

This is the girl who’s going to be your lifelong faithful partner? The girl who’s going to be the mother of your children? I cringe at that notion, as should all men. I rather be an evolutionary dead-end than let a whore be the mother of my child, but men today are being trained to accept the whore mother and to be the soft cuckold, the sucker that gets to buy the goods at full price even though it has declined 80% of value from its peak.

It’s amazing that in just three generations, women have gone from being potential wives and mothers to nothing more than fuck toys. Men used to meet traditionally minded virgins, but are now stuck with a seemingly unlimited pool of mediocre sluts who have been fucked in the ass by multiple men. This is complete and utter decimation of the female human. Men can no longer gain any meaning or value from a woman beyond sex, even if he is truly capable of being the world’s number one dad, and rest assured that the degeneracy that has so swallowed America whole will spread throughout the world from the trojan horse technology out of Silicon Valley.

How did this happen? How did we get to this point? A book can be written on the answer, but understand that trillions of dollars are to be made by destroying the feminine mother and putting a mindless and shallow consumer fuck robot in her stead. The finger can be pointed at the elite and their useful idiots for creating this environment, but the fact still remains that this is not a good time to be a normal man with the normal need to reproduce with a good woman who will stay loyal to him, raise his kids right, retain a thin figure, and take care of his home. A man who puts in triple overtime and travels abroad can find the exceptions, but for the lot of men in the Western world, there is no longer any meaning beyond casual sex that can be gained from women. These are end times for traditional pair bonding.

So on that note, I urge you to learn game, seduce these inadequate women, and try out those moves you’ve seen in porn, because that sex drive of yours is not going anywhere and must be sated for your own mental health. Beyond that, however, don’t expect much more, because women can no longer provide you with what women of the past so easily could.[culturewar]

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790 Comments

  1. Bob Lewis December 15, 2014 at 9:22 am

    Trufax!

  2. NothingMan00 December 15, 2014 at 9:50 am

    ” I’d rather be an evolutionary dead-end that let a whore be the mother of my child”

    Exactly. These whores are altering the evolutionary/biological course of reality. They aren’t entirely to blame, but their behavior will have serious consequences on the next generation and the ones that follow.

    1. dorabella December 17, 2014 at 4:37 am

      We are all extremely grateful to Roosh and your type that you have decided to be evolutionary dead-ends. Thank you from all our chromosomes.

      1. NothingMan00 December 17, 2014 at 9:07 am

        Thank us when you’re living in a nightmare world that you created. Enjoy spinsterhood!

      2. dorabella December 17, 2014 at 9:31 am

        I live in a fantastic world, and my life is awesome, thank you very much. I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but a lot of people are reproducing, even if you have decided not to. I think that Roosh removing his genes from the evolutionary road is good for humanity, that’s all.

      3. Aryan Jesuite December 17, 2014 at 2:10 pm

        well… I Aryan Jesuite did procreate with a whore and my offspring are now procreating with yours beautiful dora and the result are not pretty.

      4. NothingMan00 December 17, 2014 at 2:24 pm

        I can hear all those cats meowing from here!

      5. Remo December 17, 2014 at 2:38 pm

        Ha ha ha! Yes – what you see now is what will be! The future is bright and the party just won’t end. You’ll be pretty forever and the ones you despise will keep working to make sure the lights are always on because you cupcake, are special and the natural world which you’ve been insulated against from birth will never harm you because snowflake.

      6. dorabella December 18, 2014 at 3:34 am

        Well, I am already well past my middle age, and my life is still pretty awesome. When is the doom supposed to happen, you reckon? so that I get prepared. Thank you for your help.

      7. manmax December 18, 2014 at 10:26 pm

        dorabella is what they say happens at retirement homes true

      8. Guest December 18, 2014 at 11:32 pm

        If you were a young girl, you’d be screwed with no future.

        Since you’re an apparent Baby Boomer, you can bask in the comfort of completely fucking over future generations.

        Do you have children?

      9. GreatCrooksOfMen (GCOM) December 25, 2014 at 10:58 am

        Smug middle-aged baby boomer moralizing not realizing the wrecking ball has been swinging back… swinging back… swinging back… and then that pivotal moment comes, playing out as if in slow motion

        enjoy the collapse

      10. snowden_farted December 26, 2014 at 6:00 pm

        smug…..that fits and her comments perfectly

        typical woman……I got mine, so you all are just losers.

        on the bright side, men are waking up at a high rate and this bullsh*t is coming to a head real quick like.

      11. dorabella December 28, 2014 at 12:15 pm

        “moralizing”??? I’m laughing my ass off! hahaha Get a hold of yourself, drunkard.My life is great, and there ain’t a thing you can do about it. You want to leave the US? who the fuck cares!

      12. YinYangMan May 18, 2015 at 3:40 pm

        Despicable.

      13. chiiill December 21, 2014 at 8:09 pm

        It would be sad that the only women stupid enough to be willing to have sex with your hateful ass are also too stupid to make an effort to make money… if it wasn’t so funny.

      14. YinYangMan May 18, 2015 at 3:38 pm

        Well put. Let them rock on to destruction.

      15. don mario December 18, 2014 at 7:53 am

        he was saying that to make a point.. if you haven;t noticed roosh has moved on to foriegn women a long time ago because thank fuck, there is an alternative to modern western women.

      16. dorabella December 18, 2014 at 8:17 am

        Great! It’s a win-win then.

      17. don mario December 18, 2014 at 12:16 pm

        is it a win win if all western men did it and you have no men left ?? because when you compare western against foriegn women there is literally no competition. if guys actually opened their eyes( luckily for you this will never happen) western women would die out quickly.

      18. dorabella December 18, 2014 at 5:33 pm

        No, fuckwit, it’s a win-win if all men like you and Roosh stopped bothering western women and got the fuck out of the civilized world. And humanity as a whole will benefit from you guys removing your genes from the pool. I can assure you that guys like you are a tiny weeny insignificant minority, the world is full of wonderful men, handsome, strong, funny and smart. And none of them even know what a red pill or a PUA or a MRA is. Get the hell out of the west and join Roosh in Siberia, already.

      19. don mario December 18, 2014 at 6:25 pm

        bit of an outburst wasn’t it? seems i have struck a truth nerve with you.

        so what you are saying is the men that would choose a more feminine and more attractive girl with more values are the freaking minority? no you dumb slag, that is every man on the planet. how can you disagree with that?

        and just to shit on you even more, i have not done any PUA or redpilling. i moved abroad for work, noticed i didn’t have to act like a jumped up prick to get a girls attention, girls that were less fat and had more values no less. and surprise surprise.. i didn’t come running back to busted fat feminist western women.

      20. ChimpGod December 22, 2014 at 10:25 am

        Dora has probably had plenty of cocks explore her.. just like every other American skank, with a blown out vagina. The fact is, we have chosen the path less taken.. we have seen the truth and won’t take the bullshit.. we put down the punch and saw the fucking sea donkeys in the room (America) and jumped out the window.. these women are angry because we are winning. EE women always blush when I tell them how much better they are than their American “competition”.. haha that was a joke.. American hogs can’t compete. You don’t see Russian girls on here complaining, because we praise them and how they act.. they aren’t on here complaining because they take that energy and make themselves better.. Men need to set themselves up for a future overseas.. Use the American passport and novelty to acquire a job and connections.. start learning a useful language. Alright I’m stepping off the soap box.

      21. chiiill December 22, 2014 at 12:55 pm

        Peace, don’t let the door hit your ass on the way to whatever economically depressed place you’re going.

      22. GreatCrooksOfMen (GCOM) December 25, 2014 at 11:05 am

        America, in 15 years or less?

      23. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 7:50 pm

        Heh. Now, really. But why would you want to go somewhere worse?

      24. Jack LaBear February 3, 2015 at 3:31 pm

        What you don’t get is that civilization has always been a masculine enterprise, and it always will be. These 21st century leftists have the hubris to believe that they know better than the lessons of 4000 years of history. They are mistaken. These Strong Independent Women TM are completely dependent on the men who maintain the infrastructure. When enough men have left, physically or in their hearts, the US will not be a “better” place economically.There exists value that is greater than the ability to waste huge amounts of material stuff. The shallowness of your values is showing loud and clear here. And that is exactly why men are no longer wanting you for anything but a piece of ass.

      25. YinYangMan May 18, 2015 at 3:47 pm

        Amen brother!
        Feminism = Gender Apartheid.

      26. Floyd January 18, 2016 at 5:02 pm

        And to add to that civilization and the idea of a world based on human progress is a masculine idea in of itself.

      27. manmax December 26, 2014 at 10:01 am

        You’re not an American are you

      28. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 7:50 pm

        What makes you say that?

      29. Marshall January 17, 2015 at 8:16 pm

        Just want to point out, those “ladies” you meet in clubs in the EU have long, storied pasts as well. Perhaps they keep their pasts more securely under wraps, due to culture and language barriers, but no woman, anywhere, is associating with foreigners for pure and chaste reasons.

      30. ChimpGod January 17, 2015 at 8:43 pm

        I don’t just meet women in the club.. if these women didn’t have pasts why would they be at the club in the first place, especially hanging out with strange men ? Do you think I have some fantasy that all these club girls are virgins just waiting for some American to come along to steal her virginity ? Rrright.. for those of us with enough experience from going to EE, we can see past the bullshit.. it doesn’t change the fact the women are 100 times better than most of the ones here in the USA.. hey, but if you like fat entitled femenist cunts, by all means..

      31. Jack LaBear February 3, 2015 at 3:36 pm

        My brother lived in Sweden with an HB9 self admitted slut. He ended up rejecting her and Swedish leftism, and married an Italian girl with more traditional values.

      32. Steven May 12, 2015 at 1:40 pm

        Russian women? I was a student abroad in Moscow & the girls are just as bitchy as American girls. They blow up from a size 1 to a 15 right after you marry her. I’d rather date a pig back in America than date a Russian princess who expects me to buy her 200 buckets of roses, a Mercedes, or a Chanel. That goes for pretty much every white woman. Give me a sweet Japanese or Korean girl who won’t turn into a hag after 30. Oh, & unlike Russian whores they don’t drink or smoke like a man. That shit is gross as fuck.

      33. ChimpGod May 12, 2015 at 1:48 pm

        You were in Moscow.. Moscow sucks fucking balls. Its full of rich cunts, or cunts who want to be rich. You are right though.. the Slavic women start to melt at 30.. they literally turn into witches, physically. It is pretty gross when they smoke every 5 minutes, it gets old. You never marry them, you just fuck them while they are young and pretty.

      34. GreatCrooksOfMen (GCOM) December 25, 2014 at 11:04 am

        I love this. Gives me hope. And brings me back to even when I was mostly blue-pill and younger, traveling abroad, the girls were ALL OVER ME just for being who I was
        Chinese
        German
        Austrian
        French

        Ok the Italian girls ignored me, but I didn’t have any game to speak of at the time. Looking back, that’s what they need.

        Now I’m better, badder, cooler, funner, harder, faster, stronger, smarter, gamier, wiser, sexier, more stylish, wealthier, more traveled, more respected, and the owner of a small but growing business where I’m the boss.

        Will return in my early 30s to that paradise armed with game, experience, and several million dollars as a self-made man. Cannot wait.

        I ignore the ever-loving-fuck out of Western women, except to smirk at them and laugh at their attempts to bump into me at the supermarket

        sorry, I don’t date fat hateful American feminists or anyone who benefits from the current shitstorm, or really, anyone who’s happy in this society, the way it’s set up.

        Pretty much, if you’re content with the way things are right now in America, you are gonna probably overlap a lot with my personal definition of pure evil.

      35. YinYangMan May 18, 2015 at 3:51 pm

        I smirk too, especially when I see shame register on the faces of the www.
        They know what they are brother.

      36. snowden_farted December 26, 2014 at 6:05 pm

        don mario, well said my good man.

        go foreign bro and yee shall prosper

      37. Guest December 18, 2014 at 10:28 pm

        We have travel options don’t worry

      38. snowden_farted December 26, 2014 at 6:04 pm

        you are of course wrong….the MGTOW and Red Pill movement is growing by leaps and bounds.

        check google trends for proof

        I went foreign and date a Chinese girl.

        ….no comparison to American trash females

      39. dave February 11, 2015 at 11:15 pm

        Being an eastern men and a product of both cultures, I can say Roosh is right.Eastern women are amazingly beautiful and make great wives.

      40. YinYangMan May 18, 2015 at 3:44 pm

        Phew, ja….the unsuspecting men. They will awaken and realise what a treacherous lot the www are.

      41. Harry Puter July 5, 2016 at 12:22 pm

        Dora these bluepill men you are saying they end up as suckers married to cunts like you.

      42. Harry Puter July 5, 2016 at 12:28 pm

        LOL!!!

      43. StephanieJCW February 5, 2015 at 3:41 pm

        It most certainly is a win win if all men like Roosh left our society. I just feel sorry for the foreign women who then get stuck with them.

      44. dave February 11, 2015 at 11:19 pm

        Roosh is right,in my gym I am constantly hit on by a middle aged woman who has two sons.One fine day by the swimming pool she said to me that she can leave her husband for me, and she is a beautiful blonde.I straightaway answered her that she can do the same to me tomorrow which annoyed her.

      45. Ravi Macho June 13, 2016 at 8:01 pm

        Well said.

      46. manmax December 18, 2014 at 10:26 pm

        Sure is

      47. snowden_farted December 26, 2014 at 6:03 pm

        the win-win will be when your generation dies off….Baby Boomers will go down as one of the worst generations of human beings in US history.

        eventually, the Millennial and Gen-X generations can take control and attempt to right the ship before it capsizes.

      48. chiiill December 21, 2014 at 8:11 pm

        Does it really not worry you that you openly express desire to own a sex slave?

      49. don mario December 21, 2014 at 8:17 pm

        A normal feminine non western slob is a sex slave is it now? Fuck off

      50. chiiill December 21, 2014 at 10:56 pm

        A hyper-submissive relative child who doesn’t think for herself and is under your sexual control is essentially a sex slave, yes.

      51. don mario December 22, 2014 at 8:33 am

        i never said hyper submissive. i said feminine. if you interpret that to being hyper submissive and a child who is under sexual control then you are one fucked up slag, but that was not what i said or meant, quite obviously.

      52. chiiill December 22, 2014 at 12:58 pm

        Tell me how, according to your definition, a woman can be “feminine” without being submissive?

      53. don mario December 22, 2014 at 1:16 pm

        feminine
        ˈfɛmɪnɪn/
        adjective
        1.
        having qualities or an appearance traditionally associated with women, especially delicacy and prettiness.
        “the snowdrops gave a feminine touch to the table”
        synonyms:womanly, womanlike, ladylike, girlish, female; More

        2.
        GRAMMAR
        of or denoting a gender of nouns and adjectives, conventionally regarded as female.
        noun
        1.
        the female sex or gender.
        “the association of the arts with the feminine”
        2.
        GRAMMAR
        a feminine word or form.

        not once does it say submissive.

      54. chiiill December 22, 2014 at 2:34 pm

        So if you found me pretty, you’d consider me feminine?

      55. don mario December 22, 2014 at 2:59 pm

        a part of you maybe..all of you, NOPE.

      56. chiiill December 22, 2014 at 11:11 pm

        So “femininity” is associated with submissiveness in your mind, then? Or what else is it?

      57. manmax December 26, 2014 at 10:16 am

        you really do need help

      58. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 7:51 pm

        With what? You seem to need help with verbal clarity…

      59. snowden_farted December 26, 2014 at 6:09 pm

        do not feed the trolls

        chiiill is a troll, and a bad one at that

      60. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 7:51 pm

        I’m really not trying to be offensive for offensiveness’ sake; I’m saying what I honestly believe.

      61. Jack LaBear February 3, 2015 at 4:20 pm

        A woman is feminine if she understands that men and women are different, have complementary strengths and weaknesses, and is comfortable with and even embraces her womanhood., and appreciates the value of the masculine.
        The leftism that denies human nature led in the 20th century to the killing of 100 million people under communism. Cultural Marxism in the West is going to have the same result. Sorry, the SJWs, PC totalitarians and feminists do not know better than the wisdom of our ancestors.

      62. manmax December 26, 2014 at 10:15 am

        Depends…i find the Mona Lisa to be quite beautiful but Mona leaves a lot less to be desired

      63. GreatCrooksOfMen (GCOM) December 25, 2014 at 11:07 am

        I’ll just come out and say it
        if she wants access to my incredible sperm, my good health, my deep store of hard-won wisdom, my skills as a potential father, and my vast self-made fortune,

        she’s gonna fucking submit to me, because I’m the MAN with the GOODS and she’s the WOMAN with the WOMB

        I can replace her, she can’t replace me
        The end

      64. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 7:52 pm

        Sounds like an attractive life decision. /s

      65. Marshall January 17, 2015 at 8:25 pm

        Please don’t succumb to the “special snowflake” mentality. We are all replaceable. One in a hundred billion. Work to build something irreplaceable; history, family, shared hardships.

      66. manmax December 26, 2014 at 10:10 am

        Darling you could see a counselor for the control issues you have you know

      67. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 7:53 pm

        What control issues? I’m in an egalitarian relationship.

      68. snowden_farted December 26, 2014 at 6:08 pm

        see chiiill troll

        troll chiiil trool

        femine does not equal submissive

        you have shown your colors (feminista)

        now get the f*ck out….the cats are hungry

      69. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 7:54 pm

        I never made a secret of being a feminist. It’s nothing you should hide.

        Why do you want me to leave, if your ideas have value, couldn’t they stand up to criticism? Or do you prefer a lazy, comfortable echo chamber?

      70. snowden_farted December 26, 2014 at 7:59 pm

        because feminism is a sickness

        you are sick and your ideology has twisted your mind and helped to bring the US to the current sorry state of affairs we find ourselves in.

        let me guess….you are lesbian as well or is it gender neutral?

        Jezebel was created for women like you – go there and roll around in the mud with the other pigs.

      71. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 10:14 pm

        Sweet, you’re also homophobic and draw conclusions that make no sense.

      72. snowden_farted December 26, 2014 at 10:19 pm

        no, not homophobic, more indifferent and to each their own.

        the hard core feminist on the other hand are typically man haters and that typically means lesbian…these are also typically the only types that would go onto Rooshv.com and blab on and on like you are doing.

        you strike me as a hard core feminist and have posted multiple times on this therad, thus my assumption that you are a lesbian….well, are you?

        you see sweetie, this is what men call logic….taking in data and making logical judgements based on the data.

      73. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 10:25 pm

        It’s homophobic to imply that all lesbians are bigots who unilaterally hate men. Also, I’m not a lesbian. I’ve been with my boyfriend for two years. We’re pretty happy, and a major contributing factor in that is that we respect each other as people.

      74. manmax December 26, 2014 at 10:38 pm

        chiiill just curious here. Is your boyfriend lanky, does he have a long beard, talks with a lisp, is Irish with red hear, has a masters degree and has a crush on that girl from the Hunger games

      75. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 10:44 pm

        No. He might have a crush on JLaw, but he’s never mentioned one. Otherwise you’re definitely zero for six.

      76. snowden_farted January 14, 2015 at 11:05 am

        probably wears skinny jeans and has an Obama sticker on his Prius…lol

      77. Marshall January 17, 2015 at 8:27 pm

        My friend, please do not hate on the Irish or Gingers. It will not go well for you.

      78. manmax January 18, 2015 at 8:57 am

        Have some fucking humour…..RED

      79. JonAnon December 27, 2014 at 2:10 pm

        I’ll take this challenge. You’re over-exaggerating the “submissive” part of the traditional and evolutionary role of a female (we are talking in general, there are always exceptions) as if every person ever to submit to a hierarchy is either the tyrant or the “child.” That’s frankly idiotic and you need to read more. Hierarchies are fine and it’s not dishonorable to submit to one. See: history. evolution. animals.

        Feminists act like the most effective and efficient relationship in the world is the “equal” relationship. Tell me, where are the fortune 500 companies with no boss? Where is the military with no general. You reject hierarchy as a successful mechanism for keeping a relationship safe and forward moving. That’s fine. Be the exception. But don’t try to tell me that as a rule, hierarchical systems don’t work or that anyone who is not the top is by default a “child.”

      80. Marshall January 17, 2015 at 8:22 pm

        Submissive is not always a bad thing. Doctors are “submissive” to their patient’s health beliefs and goals, it’s called bedside manner. Detectives are submissive to a suspect to gain trust and information. Lawyers are often submissive to clients to gain trust and an upfront fee. Salesmen of all goods learn to meet the customers needs. Waiters, nurses, teachers, priests, architects, web designers, we all practice submission to meet the needs of others and thereby, our own. It’s called maturity and ego integration.

      81. ChimpGod December 22, 2014 at 10:28 am

        Why You talking about children? There are forums out there for you kind of people.

      82. chiiill December 22, 2014 at 12:57 pm

        Because most people here think they should have sex with 18-year-olds or 20-somethings when they’re decades older. In a relationship, that’s a relative child. That person will by definition have drastically less life experience and power. Why is that attractive? I was saying that’s bad, in case that was unclear to you. It’s sick.

      83. ChimpGod December 22, 2014 at 1:39 pm

        But they do marry at 13 and shit, in Mexico. It’s culturally acceptable. Who am I to say their culture Is wrong ? He said Mexican states.. not USA. You say 18-20 year olds are little kids ? Women mature faster over there.. and 18 is an adult.. maybe you were immature.. How envious we are of young women.. Age is a curse you can’t accept.

      84. chiiill December 22, 2014 at 2:38 pm

        It may be culturally acceptable, but given what we know about human development (and Mexico!), it’s still wrong.

        I say 18-20 year olds are relative children when compared to a 30-50 year old, yeah. Women do not “mature faster over there,” especially when they do not accomplish basic developmental tasks like forming an identity because they are always under the thumb of some sicko.

        Perhaps you’re jealous of men who are not bigots? Makes just as much sense as saying I’m jealous of barely-out-of-their-parents’-house-age women who are being taken advantage of by twisted older men.

      85. manmax December 26, 2014 at 10:25 am

        You bigot what the fuck made you an expert on Mexican culture. You have no right to criticize them as a privileged white person

      86. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 7:57 pm

        Not an expert, but more informed than most white Americans. I work with a lot of people from Mexico, have been to non-touristy places, and speak the language. Most people in Mexico would consider it sexually abusive for an adult to have sex with a 13-year-old. Are you seriously contesting this?

      87. manmax December 26, 2014 at 10:02 pm

        No, i’m not. Things do suck for the lower class Mexicans. They do what they have to do to survive. The problem with Mexico is that large parts of the country are controlled by various drug cartels who worship a goddess of death(its a demon if you ask me) and the normal civilians are defenseless against them because they have guns. If they had second amendments rights like they do in Texas the civilians could have fought back against the cartels control because the government has largely been impotent in dealing with them.

      88. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 10:13 pm

        Ok. I know. There are militias fighting them as well, but it’s a David and Goliath situation.

      89. Marshall January 17, 2015 at 8:32 pm

        In my vocation, I’ve seen a lot of teens be effective, mature adults and many who can’t manage basic activities of daily living from all cultures. Some individuals are wonderful parents at 14 and some can’t handle voting and drinking at 21. It’s not culture or race dependent. It’s actually about native intelligence, which varies tremendously across the human spectrum.

      90. Gene Boris March 20, 2017 at 6:06 pm

        you nailed that one

      91. tempus.fugit December 26, 2014 at 6:40 pm

        most people here think they should have…18-year-olds or 20-somethings when they’re decades older…That person will by definition have drastically less life experience and power… Is that attractive?

        why yes. yes it is. so long as it’s not an actual child, nor a whored up vampire harpy witch masquerading as one. beauty and the beast, innocence and the adonis master, inexperience and the drastically unfathomably illimitably more powerful. you know it so deeply, you can’t help but be drawn to asking us to explain what you want so insatiably.

        it won’t be you, that’s impossible. but it might be one of us, that’s time’s tale to tell, not yours. tempus fugit. det mulieribus nihil.

      92. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 7:58 pm

        Does this prove it’s attractive, or that influential men in history have been borderline pedophile psychos?

      93. tempus.fugit December 27, 2014 at 6:37 am

        what do you think?

        remove the ‘or’ like i told you. exchange the ‘psycho’ for ‘master’, like i told you.

        still doesn’t apply to you. still is a tale only time can tell, not you. time flees. give women nothing.

      94. thedude January 2, 2015 at 9:48 pm

        Ah yes, “paedophile” – the new 21st century Western Femi-Nazi name for “normal male sexuality”.

      95. Marshall January 17, 2015 at 8:34 pm

        Normal male sexuality does not include pedophilia. Ever.

      96. Ravi Macho June 13, 2016 at 8:17 pm

        It doesn’t include but it has been “included” because of this smelly cunt women who are suffering with feminism, a new combined name for “inferiority complex + entitlement + low self esteem + week + vulnerable + useless + bitchy + arrogant” !!!!!

        Their only purpose: to get banded and to breed.

      97. GreatCrooksOfMen (GCOM) December 25, 2014 at 11:05 am

        haha, you’re a fuckin moron
        go home
        just go, the adults are talking here

      98. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 7:59 pm

        You stay classy.

      99. manmax December 26, 2014 at 10:09 am

        My god you have really thought that hyper-submissive relative child thing out haven’t you.

        Whose the perve here again? I’ll give you a clue it rimes with biiill

      100. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 8:00 pm

        It’s not really that complicated.

      101. manmax December 26, 2014 at 10:06 am

        There are people who are into BDSM

        Expand your horizons chiiill

      102. ChimpGod December 22, 2014 at 10:12 am

        Amen.. preach it brotha!

      103. manmax December 18, 2014 at 10:24 pm

        Yep, your taxes are helping the immigrants.

        And thank you for the future hot latinas.

      104. Dave6034 December 19, 2014 at 11:54 pm

        Teenage Latinas may be hot, but they don’t age well. That’s why so many Mexican states let girls marry at 13 — they’ll be 300lbs by 18. Also, boys inherit IQ more from their mothers than their fathers, so if you want dull-witted sons, marry a Latina. Marry your own latitude or north of it if you want smart kids.

      105. chiiill December 21, 2014 at 8:13 pm

        And racist too! What a charmer.

      106. manmax December 26, 2014 at 10:26 am

        Look the pot calling the kettle black

      107. snowden_farted December 26, 2014 at 6:10 pm

        she is trolling…don’t feed her

      108. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 8:02 pm

        If I am, so are you.

      109. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 8:02 pm

        When did I get overtly and proudly racist like that guy?

      110. manmax December 26, 2014 at 9:52 am

        You racist !! how dare you insult Mexican women like that

      111. Gene Boris March 20, 2017 at 6:10 pm

        the truth is racist

      112. tempus.fugit December 26, 2014 at 6:53 pm

        fiction. wisdom and knowledge of the world comes from the father. without, autistism reigns supreme. single mothers rise with autism and autism rises with single mothers.

      113. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 8:03 pm

        Nothing to do with poverty, eh?

      114. tempus.fugit December 27, 2014 at 7:05 am

        truth.

        life eaten by single mothers, without fathers, without wisdom and knowledge, is poverty. once chosen, systematic inescapable destitute autism arises. whether aspergers, manginas, or worse, still, the course of failure is unalterable for all but the vanishing few.

      115. Marshall January 17, 2015 at 8:36 pm

        Autism rises with the fathers’ age. Fact.

      116. Respect December 20, 2014 at 8:32 am

        “a lot of people are reproducing”

        Birth rates in developed countries are at record lows. Only 3rd world countries are reproducing now at any levels. Men are dropping out in developed countries at an alarming rate from reproducing.

      117. ChimpGod January 6, 2015 at 12:18 pm

        And btw, not everyone is reproducing. Look at Japan’s birthrates.. Switzerland.. any superior economic country in Western Europe. People from shit hole countries are reproducing.. they flood these nice countries and squirt out their brood at an alarming rate..

      118. Tacoman July 7, 2015 at 11:31 pm

        you say you live in a fantastic world yet you come on roosh V only to tear others down. You fooling yourself? because you are not fooling us

      119. manmax December 18, 2014 at 10:22 pm

        you’re welcome,

        From the red pill community

      120. kelley December 19, 2014 at 8:12 am

        roosh puts it out there in stark, harsh terms………but the truth is the truth………face it and fix it or live with it

      121. Rick SK December 27, 2014 at 12:31 am

        Hopefully you have made the same choice.

      122. Jack LaBear February 3, 2015 at 3:09 pm

        That’s right. Don’t you understand that Tove Lo is only doing what she does because she is a victim of a man? It’s not a matter of free will; if it wasn’t for that man abandoning her, she would make a perfect partner!

      123. StephanieJCW February 5, 2015 at 3:38 pm

        Yes!

    2. sasha August 5, 2015 at 8:59 pm

      Always puzzling how roosh and you take pride in acting like the whores you despise (while you shouldn’t) – and then wonder why you only find women who match you, and don’t want to breed with them.
      If love is only possible when the other is dependent of you, has no career, can’t divorce or cheat, then men were never lovable.
      When someone is brought to such a dead end conclusion by such bad logic, wow, Let’s just try albeit hard not to celebrate too obviously so not to make some of you change your mind.

      1. NothingMan00 August 5, 2015 at 10:47 pm

        Learn English.

      2. sasha August 7, 2015 at 6:12 pm

        Learn mental flexibility around small syntactic mistakes.
        Honestly. It is a more useful skill than perfect english.

      3. NothingMan00 August 8, 2015 at 1:48 pm

        When those “small syntactic mistakes” make it impossible to understand what you’re trying to convey, no amount of flexibility will help.

      4. sasha August 20, 2015 at 9:02 pm

        It’s not impossible to everyone. Don,T be so proud it’s impossible to you

      5. NothingMan00 August 21, 2015 at 4:10 pm

        I’m 400 pages in to Finnegan’s Wake. It’s more readable.

      6. sasha September 11, 2015 at 12:25 pm

        i’m sorry that is the most complex thing you are able to understand.

      7. sasha September 11, 2015 at 12:26 pm

        You are probably missing most of the book’s subtelties too.

      8. NothingMan00 September 11, 2015 at 1:30 pm

        Yes, I am having a hard time with the most difficult book in the English language. A book that, at best, maybe 1 in every 2 million people on the planet has read.

        You are an idiot.

  3. JoJo December 15, 2014 at 9:55 am

    #nohymennodiamond

    1. seth datta December 15, 2014 at 6:18 pm

      Hahahahaha

      The Toyim are all mine. They are my Toys for life.

      1. zgitchoooo December 16, 2014 at 10:35 am

        wow is the spaced out crypto anti-semitism? Toyim code for Goyim? What I wonder about is if the “warrior heros” anti-semites think themselves to be are so proudly defiant and all, why don’t you just say what you mean, that you hate somebody based on race, that you’re a troglodyte incapable of judging an individual on his merits, so you seek a scape goat group to take things out on.

        Be glad you don’t have polio, moron. A Jew invented the vaccine, working his ass off in a lab.

        Just repeat after me, “I am a racist, but I’m glad I don’t have Polio.”

      2. Ian December 16, 2014 at 11:55 am

        The “Jews”/Ashkenazi Khazar Rothschild Zionists (read Facts Are Facts by Benjamin Freedman) have control of the agricultural markets and are putting gmo seeds in the crops, high fructose corn syrup in most processed foods, etc in what they sell the goyim.

        People don’t hate Jews but how can any intelligent person not notice how they work in concert to screw other groups but their own. Sen. Jacob Javits signed and created the policy to flood America with illegal aliens but don’t play your little word games and try to discredit and harangue reasonable people’s dissent over sociopath levels of engineered evil.

      3. seth datta December 16, 2014 at 12:54 pm

        I’m not glad so many people were genocided

        66 million Christians in Russia
        10 million in the holodomor

        etc.

        Fuck off you cowardly cunt.

      4. anonymous December 16, 2014 at 3:11 pm

        Seth datta’s “crypto anti-semitism” is from not being able to get any pussy from London girls — even with the “five master’s degrees” he supposedly has, hahaha.

        Seth used to complain about the London Zionist bankers and the unemployed Pakistanis who steal away the women he should rightfully be sleeping with…. so he gets his revenge….. by commenting here.

        It’s so much easier than actually pulling together his life and getting his shit together.

      5. seth datta December 16, 2014 at 4:58 pm

        You must be JDL/SPLC squad – you follow my comments.

        Its easy to be a lying, murderous, slanderer who is destined for hell. You should repent to God and apologise to your victims. Your time here on this planet is limited and in time you will suffer for your evil.

      6. Rights For Whites December 18, 2014 at 3:06 pm

        Right, because Gentiles NEVER invented any vaccines, antibiotics, sterilization, X-rays, etc., and indeed, we can be sure that, if not for Chosen Ones Salk and “Sabin” (Saperstein) we’d never have a vaccine for polio.

    2. dorabella December 17, 2014 at 5:30 am

      #smallcocknorock

      1. gordax December 17, 2014 at 11:19 am

        what does that even mean?

      2. dorabella December 18, 2014 at 3:38 am

        It means that if you have a small cock, no woman will want your “rock” on her finger.
        Do you need a picture, or you think you got it now?

      3. don mario December 18, 2014 at 6:27 pm

        bucket cunt- no sex you disgusting pig.

      4. snowden_farted December 26, 2014 at 6:11 pm

        see dorabella troll

        troll dorabella troll

      5. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 8:03 pm

        Is it trolling to come to a comment section just to call people trolls? I’m going to go with yes.

      6. dorabella January 3, 2015 at 6:49 pm

        How nice of you to leave me your selfie. I don’t exchange pictures with strangers, unfortunately.

      7. Guest December 22, 2014 at 6:53 pm

        This is what is actually going on in her head:

      8. manmax December 18, 2014 at 10:32 pm

        Now grandma you know that’s how grandpa proposed to you

  4. RPK December 15, 2014 at 9:58 am

    I would add that social technology and the constant barrage of attention has made them so utterly dependent on validation that they go can’t minutes (seconds?) without it. Girls nowadays simply don’t know how to cope with being alone.

  5. YosarriansRight December 15, 2014 at 10:10 am

    Roosh, when I finished reading this article of truth, I stood up and applauded you.

    1. Amanda December 15, 2014 at 3:07 pm

      The menstrual blood from a woman in Toronto is more saner than the sexist and slanderous article he wrote about women. Roosh is a loser

      1. rhasa December 15, 2014 at 4:04 pm

        And you’re an idiot.
        It is exactly how he lays it out.
        Women do everything to lose their worth in the eyes of self-respecting men, and then demand to be taken care of for a lifetime.
        It is not sexist any more than saying guys do not want sluts, and women do not want losers.
        Do you have an argument, you troll?

      2. Days of Broken Arrows December 15, 2014 at 4:55 pm

        Yes, he’s a loser — as are all Western men. Men have been made losers by default because of an environment where women have ruined themselves for the future. What is there to win, after all? Future alimony payments? But what does it say when college-educated men with good prospects have all been declared “losers?” What does that tell you about the larger society?

      3. ChimpGod December 22, 2014 at 10:33 am

        Child support, alimony, half your retirement gone? Pick your poison.. I constantly try to unbrainwash coworkers.. most of them are finally seeing it.. or they are all married and it’s too late.. they realize it now though.

      4. snowden_farted December 26, 2014 at 6:15 pm

        married and it is too late is most folks

        the younger generation is where we have hope

        those of us over 30 and up are to set the example, and show the younger men what happens when you stay away from American women and focus on your career and self, and when ready, going abroad for a traditional woman.

        …..or learn the hard way and let a used up b*tch take you for a ride and surrender 50% + of your assets and receive part-time custody as the admission price.

      5. splooge December 15, 2014 at 9:09 pm

        toronto, nuff said.

      6. FrankNizzo December 16, 2014 at 4:56 am

        Fufill God’s plan for your life. Eat shit and die, cuntcake.

      7. Zorro December 16, 2014 at 9:14 am

        “more saner”???!!!

        U R A Douchebag.

      8. John Freeman December 17, 2014 at 12:59 pm

        Really?! A loser? Where’s your websites, books, business investments, etc? Roosh is a winner cause he doesn’t kiss your ass or seek his validation from you idiot sluts. He’s building a successful business model while the best you can do is ridicule and shame him. Ridicule all you want, while Roosh is laughing all the way to the bank. Oh, and he’s not spending his money on some sluts shoe collection. Scares you, doesn’t it?! MGTOW!

      9. Kevin December 18, 2014 at 12:11 am

        Following your crackhead logic then Toronto is the Roosh of all cities in the Western Hemisphere.

        Go eat some Poutine and tell us all about your gift to the Universe of being a Marketing Analyst or Human Resources Coordinator as we all need the hear the depths of erudite wisdom that flow from your elegant, feminine honey suckle lips.

      10. salsafreak December 18, 2014 at 12:26 am

        I am one of the nicest faithful man/husband you will ever meet. After gaining 60 lbs woking 60 hrs/wk as a health care worker for 15 yrs my wife dropped me like a hot potatoe becuse she doesnt want to be seen with a fatty (shes a 9 even after 2 kids). I wallow in self pity for 2 fckin years till I came across Roosh books, and the 10 must read books he reccomended. I pick up myself, ballroom/ salsa danced to loose the weight (I was a dance instructor b4). No self help book build up my confidence like Roosh Bang book. I had 1 GF b4 my wife, at 42 I cant believe I can still get laid(18 cunts and counting within one year). Half of them at least an 8. I m working on banging a 9 or 10 b4 this year is over.Roosh is a blessing to nice guys who used to finish last like me.

      11. chiiill December 21, 2014 at 8:25 pm

        You don’t need hate to have self-confidence. Don’t teach your children this bullshit. You’re (probably) better than this; hang in there.

      12. salsafreak December 22, 2014 at 2:44 am

        Too late about teaching my boy this shit. Im asian with a hot Italian chinese ex wife, My son is what we call a hybrid, Im still not sure if hes my son because Im average looking 5’7″ while he is 3 grades advance for his age, cocky, decent swimmer,6′ and insanely good looking half breed. For his 16th birthday, I gave him Roosh bang book, a box of condoms and told him this book could destroy him if he gets to be a teenage dad with std or get him to soar heights beyond his wildest dreams. The girls she notches now can grace any magazine covers, and are pretty smart too. Im kind of living my fantasy thru my son, never to be a womans doormat ever.

      13. chiiill December 22, 2014 at 7:39 am

        Hope he never rebels…

        Also, that is borderline sexually abusive.

      14. salsafreak December 22, 2014 at 10:36 am

        Borderline sexually abusive,????

        My dad died when I was 10, I was raised by a mother who taught me how to be nice to everyone, in the end fullfilling the ultimate stereotype that nice guys finish last and still get divorce no matter how faithful or a good catch they are.

        My kid has to rebel against my ex wifes efforts to duplicate what my mom did to me. I always tell him upon waking up and at bedtime nice guys finish last jerks get laid.Im just happy that despite being a nice respectful straight A, multisport kid his notches are insane for a 16 y/ o. I always tell him to imagine being butt ugly when he does game so he does not rely on his model good looks, coz the looks would go away but his game could be more sharper when the looks are gone.

        I gifted my son weapons that would safeguard his sex life from being stale, his self esteem esteem from being crush and the love for self improvement books. HOW IS THAT BORDERLINE SEXUALLY ABUSIVE.

      15. chiiill December 22, 2014 at 1:07 pm

        You don’t seem like you were ever actually nice. ‘Why do these whores keep rejecting me?? I’m such a nice guy!” Really? No, you’re not, and we can tell how much you hate us, so we reject you.

        “I always tell him upon waking up and at bedtime nice guys finish last jerks get laid.Im just happy that despite being a nice respectful straight A, multisport kid his notches are insane for a 16 y/ o.”

        That is creepy as fuck right there. You should not be pressuring your 16 year old to have sex.

        Let him discover his sexuality like someone going through normal development; don’t take that from him. Your son is getting robbed.

        Teaching him to be a bigot is bad too.

      16. salsafreak December 22, 2014 at 3:42 pm

        A pretty 17 y/o co swimmer seduced him at 14 and got him hooked to sex, I didnt teach him anything till his 16th birthday. His mother took him 300 miles away from me, Roosh books became our talking point regularly after hardly a fone call for 2 yrs. Thank you Roosh.

        Comparing notches is better than zero communication between dad and son.

      17. chiiill December 22, 2014 at 11:18 pm

        I’m pretty sure he was a 14-year-old and could easily have been enthusiastic about sex with most appropriate partners he was attracted to. You don’t need to blame a 17 year old for that.

        Wow, does your wife know about this? 0,o

        Anyway, this is worse now I know you otherwise didn’t really have a thriving relationship. Now he probably thinks if he doesn’t sexually perform for his father, you won’t love him.

      18. Gene Boris March 20, 2017 at 6:48 pm

        don’t even engage with texting or talking to these narcissist cunts..that is the only time you WIN

      19. salsafreak December 23, 2014 at 2:33 am

        Teaching him to be a bigot is bad too?

        Enlighten me pls on how im teaching him to be a bigot.

        I should stop using the word nice guy since the synonym just happened to be nice guy =womans doormat.

        I can never understand why my ex wife had 78 pairs of shoes, just like most western raised women are clueless about caring on keeping their men.

        The more notches I have had, the more swagger In my walk, more confidence, promotions, nicer car and a better paycheck accompanied it. Too bad I only started at 41 Y/ 0. Imagine what a headstart a smart, model material, extremely confident to start with 16 y/ o gets. Im not robbing my son, Im equipting him how to thrive in this dog eat dog environment and come out on top.

        Fuck morals, morals are but self doubt in disguise.

      20. chiiill December 23, 2014 at 9:12 am

        This entire site and value system is about hating and being adversarial with women. If you’re a straight man, believing it is a recipe for an empty, miserable life. So are old-timey gender roles Iin general – why do you think the women you like expect you to buy them things all the time and be mostly dead inside? Oh right, that’s what limiting gender roles tell her to expect.

        “Fuck morals, morals are but self-doubt in disguise.” I hope your son never parrots this back to you.

        No response to the possibility that your son feels like if he doesn’t sexually perform for you, you won’t love him?

      21. salsafreak December 23, 2014 at 10:05 am

        If he doesnt perform sexually , I wont love him. WTF!!!!!

        Funny, my son is like a horny rabit on dangerous levels of anabolic steroids, between hitting the gym plus 2 hour/day swims (swimmer) his testosterone level is thru the roof. I dont need to push him to please me, he finds ways to relieve himself of that excess testosterone in his system, all on his own, helps that hes got 2-3 hottie gfs at her beck and call. In other words excessive amounts of testosterone does the heavy lifting for me.He doesnt need any prodding.

        The mantra he placed in his room ceiling says it all, he sees it upon waking up and b4 sleeping “Alpha dogs dont aim to please, they are the ones to be pleased”. He placed it their when he was 12 maybe 13.

      22. chiiill December 23, 2014 at 1:24 pm

        It’s that you say it’s all you talk about. If you don’t talk to your kid about anything other than something performance-based, the kid is gonna feel pressure.

        Also, you should probably educate this kid about consent, lest he ignorantly/brainwashedly rape someone and destroy his goldenboy lifestyle.

      23. salsafreak December 23, 2014 at 10:05 pm

        Dont worry about him,got that covered, I’m the only one in the medical field, two of his uncles, one grandpa are liars, I mean lawyers. For starters among many other things he has been warned never to have a GF younger than him when he gets to be 18.

        Do you even have a job, you have a rebuttal for every guy posting here. U getting paid by the femenazi to troll this place?

        Believe it or not Im getting a BJ while posting in this forum right now. Not in my wildest dreams 2 years ago when I was wallowing in self pity it occured to me that my 42y/o dick would get some special treatment unless I paid for it by the hour. Roosh my sincerest thanks, I was getting to be a slave to the bottle and your book Bang gave me a 2nd chance to live.

      24. chiiill December 23, 2014 at 10:39 pm

        I’m getting a doctorate and am semi-on vacation. I have practicum, which is like a job, and I worked there today. I normally have class on Monday, but school’s out. You apparently have a job, and have also been replying…

        You should also link him up with stuff about affirmative consent, which is actually hot, and could save his ass from doing something horrible that without it he couldn’t be bothered to wonder if he was doing.

        What does your … whatever you call her think of you posting right now? Does she masturbate alone afterwards?

        I used to be in a full-blown abusive relationship that involved intricate manipulation and poisoning for most of it, and then a night of extreme overt violence. I honestly believe that it was only possible for him to mindfuck me that way because I was so young (17-22) when I got into this “serious relationship.”

        Later, there was stalking. I became extremely systematically isolated, and when I escaped, I rediscovered the world, and yes, that included having sex with multiple successive people when I wanted to and when the circumstances permitted. That does not make me worthless; it was incredible to discover that my life trajectory and sexuality could be my own. If you want to have your “second chance to live,” as I did, I condone that, and reasonably expect it to be mutual.

        What I don’t condone is dehumanizing the people who help you. (You ungrateful fucking bastard.)

      25. salsafreak December 24, 2014 at 1:23 am

        Practicum is a job now???? Im way behind the times.Weve got a running mantra/ joke in our family ” Anyone who gets a B will be disowned and exempted from any inheritance, no excuses.B+ is not equal to A-.Well, whatever floats your boat definition of a real job.

        I ‘m not enroute to any higher learning, getting a masters in public health years ago was more than enough. Makes me mad as hell everytime I recalled how much feminism was in the curriculum and how it emasculated me and made me feel guilty for being a sexual being. No wonder all the Phd male mentors we had are gay, openly gay. They had to adapt to survive in that toxic environment.The department head was a total tool, to put it mildly she was a feminazi to the core.

        Be careful about higher learning, better pay but may lead you to have more looser screws in the head.

        BTW, she did not masturbate, Ive got madskills to compensate for my small dick. Shes sleeping like a very contented baby.

      26. chiiill December 24, 2014 at 9:02 am

        I’m doing things that people get paid a lot of money for, and often doing them better. Being a graduate student is an occupation for a time. Although B’s get degrees, I’m an A student. I still think your family sounds kind of shitty.

        How in the hell does treating women like people emasculate you or make you feel guilty for being sexual? The problems that feminism critiques, that you are likely referring to, are brute force social dominance and dehumanization in society and sexuality. None of that needs to emasculate or guilt you for sexuality unless you have fused unreasonable dominance and dehumanization with your gender identity and sexuality. Challenging assumptions might make you slightly uncomfortable, but isn’t that what school is for?

        The gayness of the PhD male mentors is likely related to selection bias – the fact that that’s a lot of work, and “masculine men” don’t typically want to do work that takes a lot out of you and doesn’t involve nauseating amounts of accolades. It’s relative comfort, intense glory, or nothing for these self-proclaimed “masculine men” (reasonable, hardworking men don’t tend to spontaneously, explicitly describe themselves that way). Also, wait a second, what the everloving fuck? Did you just say that going to grad school or being a professor can make you gay? Your ideas may be more primitive than I realized.

        “feminazi”

        #Godwin #BillOReilly

        So she didn’t just blow you; you actually sexually reciprocated. Yay. I thought you were talking about fellatio to ejaculation, then “huh, it’s over,” which is what is usually meant by “blowjob.” (This is a major reason why most women don’t like fellatio to ejaculation – that and dicks don’t really fit in faces without a lot of effort.)

        By the way, your comment is really weird in that you didn’t really respond to most of my comment’s content, just criticized some small aspects of it.

      27. salsafreak December 24, 2014 at 11:22 am

        Why d fuck should I respond to every content of your post. I can nitpick all I want.

        Feminism for me at its core molded men into nice yes dear passive guys, while rewarding the outliers, the jerks with abundance of pussy.so plentiful they had to swat it away. The yes dear men gets to see pussy on their birthdays and valentines if they are lucky.Feminazism to me kicked out men from the house literally and figuratively, young impressionable boys raised by mothers breed generations of spineless yes mommy boys. I should know, although death of my dad cause me the absence of a father figure, my mom unknowingly got into the feminazism bandwagon.

        One of my best friends who I gifted the book bang, save his marriage becsuse he went against the feminist ideas his wife got enroute to higher learning. In his own words my wife said” of course I want you to stand up against me and not roll over like a doormat”. Still I see in the family dynamics she wants him to be a doormat everytime, that PHd in her name somehow became a license to humiliate. And to think my friend was the real doctor in the family, an Md Phd at that.Roosh strategies in Bang helps him deal with her newly acquired high horse tendencies instead of divorcing her ass.

        I wasn’t a total yes dear guy before I finish my masters. After finishing I became a total doormat after taking hookline and sinker the feminism ideas from grad school. Surprise surprise. My wife dump my yes dear ass for a “shit no way bitch” jerk who does not have a job. Not one of the highly reccomended shrink help at all, thats why I follow the gospel of Roosh, he save me.

        BTW higher learning does not make one gay, but it can possibly lead someone to mistake the loosening of screws in their heads for enlightenment . Or worse use their command of writing to twist facts to further their argument to make the other person look like a bigger asshole

        Painting this forum with the broadest brush you got as pure evil just further the resolve of the non hardcore Roosh believers to be real Roosh fanatics.

        Finally practicum for me is like an internship. Do you even know how many post you got here, gazillions, the sheer volume and elaborateness makes me think your just a bitter troll posting from your mothers basement, but again I could be wrong.

        Again a B+ is not an A-. Repeat after me practicum is not a job. You will get a real job allright if your really enroute to your Phd. Turning men into yes dear puppets (with the promise of pussy on birthdays and valentines) employment oppurtunities abound for your kind of mindset.

        Got to go, I’m gonna ask my exwife if she would honor her promise of pussy on christmas.

      28. chiiill December 24, 2014 at 12:50 pm

        It’s just interesting how you’re selectively listening. Wouldn’t it be obnoxious if I totally ignored your intense personal story?

        It is like an internship, but it takes up time like a job. You seemed to be implying I had tons of free time. I do right now, but not usually.

        “Got to go, I’m gonna ask my exwife if she would honor her promise of pussy on christmas.”

        “You owe me!” So sexy. Enjoy.

      29. salsafreak December 26, 2014 at 11:31 am

        WTF,

        You got at least 10 post christmas eve, get a life, a dog, or dildo, perhaps a real job.

        BTW dont owe you anything. My exwife whose 300 miles away from me slammed the phone when I asked for pussy. She was on speakerphone.

      30. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 8:06 pm

        Hmm. In the morning of Xmas Eve, when nothing was going on.

        You actually called her and asked her? That’s the WTF.

      31. salsafreak December 26, 2014 at 9:35 pm

        Pretty funny, I was the gracious host on christmas. I was watching the NBA games with my 2 brothers, dad, and 2 other guys I grew up with in my man cave.

        We were not drank yet, the ladies were upstairs, kids of limits from mancave in the basement.Imagine how much fun one can get after a serious conversation over the speakerphone channeled thru my giant TV speakers, one asking for pussy, with snickering guys on the background, except for my saint of a dad. I even told her she can skype it coz shes 300 miles away. NOW IMAGINE IF SHE SKYPED THAT PEEPSHOW on sn 80 inch screen, that would be the best christmas ever. All my friends would owe me bigtime

      32. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 10:37 pm

        Wow, I thought Christmas was weird at my house because we played Cards Against Humanity.

      33. salsafreak December 26, 2014 at 10:01 pm

        Usually people getting their “doctorate” are pretty good with proofreading peoples bullshit post. WHY NO COMMENT ON ME SAYING MY DAD DIED WHEN I WAS 10, then coming up with he watched the NBA games with us on christmas.

        Your bullshit PHD story seems to be getting bogus every minute

      34. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 10:08 pm

        I didn’t comment on you saying your dad died when you were ten because you didn’t comment on me saying I was in an abusive relationship. I said, “It’s just interesting how you’re selectively listening. Wouldn’t it be obnoxious if I totally ignored your intense personal story?”

        And then moved on to, “It is like an internship, but it takes up time like a job.” See what I did there? If my in-process doctorate is “bogus” because I ignored your intense personal story, your earned one is as well because you did the same thing.

      35. GreatCrooksOfMen (GCOM) December 25, 2014 at 11:27 am

        good, now that you’ve policed the sexuality of two people you’ll never meet

        and

        plenty of women LOVE fellatio to ejaculation
        I’ve been with plenty who are downright obsessed with it

        here, give me your phone #, I’ll forward the three most recent “I wanna suck your dick/wanna make you come” text variations I’ve gotten in the past month.

        sounds like a personal problem or maybe a lack of skill on your part, or maybe you just don’t know how it feels to be lusty/in love to the point that you love making your mate cum

        probably you could fuck some more strangers in bars and get a sort of similar effect. maybe

      36. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 7:32 pm

        Are these people sexually pleasured by getting jaw cramps, drooling, and almost throwing up, or are they perhaps trying to manipulate you? Seriously, which is more likely?

        I don’t fuck strangers in bars; I’m in a relationship now. If I wasn’t in a mutually-agreed-upon romantic relationship and I did, it would be fine, and the fact that I used to years ago does not make me a bad or worthless person in any way.

      37. fokkertism December 25, 2014 at 1:25 am

        Are the JIDF or WAM paying you to post here, hasbara?

      38. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 8:07 pm

        Nope, I’m a volunteer. 😀

      39. GreatCrooksOfMen (GCOM) December 25, 2014 at 11:24 am

        oh i get it, you recognize yourself in this site’s definition of a slutty, useless-as-a-mate woman

        that’s the source of your constant attempt to “win” here (hint, never gonna happen)

        it’s like watching someone argue with the dictionary over the definition of a word

        “but that’s not what I WANT it to mean… I use that word differently”

        too bad sugar, you fit the definition of a slutty, ruined, worthless-as-mate western woman and no matter how many words you spend on this site, you can’t take get back what you sold

      40. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 7:40 pm

        This site’s definition of slut or whore seems to be “a woman who has ever had sex before without being married.” I got that from another poster I pressed for a definition. Yes, I am someone who has been sexually active and not married, as are almost all women and men. That the word is used on this site to convey hatred and degrade women for something almost all women have done is one of the reasons this site is not just unreasonable, it’s clearly misogynistic and bigoted.

      41. TrustQuest December 26, 2014 at 4:23 pm

        I bet all if your story was made up in your mind so you can try to make another irrational point

      42. snowden_farted December 26, 2014 at 6:27 pm

        I can see why you were in an abusive relationship

        poor guy…..thankfully he got away from you.

        from the cut of your jib, i’m sure you deserved every bit of it and it looks like you are permanently damaged.

        try Jezzebel or HuffingtonPost

        they will make you feel nice and safe from the big bad men.

      43. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 8:10 pm

        So classy.

        I was totally dedicated to him, which was a mistake. I’ve been permanently educated by my experience with him, and I’m now aware that there is a connection between misogynistic ideals, which you and he both expressed, and being an abusive degenerate. I’m glad I know this, although I wish the information could have come another way.

        I enjoy a variety of websites, thank you.

      44. TrustQuest December 26, 2014 at 4:22 pm

        Seriously! Why are you even bantering back and forth with this delusional retard!? (meaning Chiiill). You are trying to speak reason with someone who is completely incapable of it. That could make “you” a fool. Just let Chiiill spout her idiotic and irrational rhetoric. All she does is prove exactly what Roosh has been saying in many of his posts

      45. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 8:11 pm

        Why are you using ablist slurs if you want people to respect you? 😉

      46. TrustQuest December 26, 2014 at 8:49 pm

        Another point proven. Women who feel they know what men mean when they speak. What makes you think I desire your respect? How does that improve my life in any way? I know you desire to be a man (which is why women constantly compare themselves to us), just know that the way you interpret words does nothing for promoting dialog (with any rational or beneficial purpose) with anyone. The rhetoric you speak is clearly because you are so narcissistic that you love your own voice. Do you honestly believe that you would make “any” sense to someone who subscribes to this forum? Or is it that (like most western women) you just want to fight just to fight., regardless if it accomplishes anything?

      47. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 10:02 pm

        I definitely don’t think you want my personal respect, really, but I suppose I assumed you wanted it from someone.

        I’m having trouble understanding the conclusions you’re drawing. If you’re interested in me understanding them, I suggest you explain the connections a little more.

      48. TrustQuest December 26, 2014 at 10:15 pm

        Once again..his points are proven with your constant attempt to try to make sense of something you can’t comprehend. First, my original post was not written to you (so why does your arrogance make you feel you “have” to respond to someone not talking to you?), second, if you re-read what I said, you’ll see that I said you proved other points he has made in “many” of his posts. Since you may not know what that means with your “superior” mind, that implies that there are other posts that were written that had points, which you are clearly proving. Now why don’t you stop embarrassing yourself even further and go to one if your feminist man-hating sites. You get no followers here!

      49. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 10:19 pm

        Is it that I can’t comprehend them because I am dumb, or because they don’t make sense, I wonder?

        I didn’t feel I had to comment on your post; I just disagreed with something and wanted to make it known. I have just as much right to give my perspective as you do. Who’s arrogant?

        I think we might have different definitions of proof.

      50. TrustQuest December 26, 2014 at 10:30 pm

        Why do you care if I think you’re dumb or not? You don’t even know me! Another point proven. Always looking for validation….and a fight. Well, I’m no fool. I’m done going back and forth with you. Why don’t you jump into another person’s comment to someone else so you can make yourself seem intelligent! Your irrational pseudo intellectualism is boring

      51. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 10:36 pm

        I don’t care if you think I’m dumb. I assume you do. I was implying your conclusions don’t make sense, so that’s why I don’t understand them. Have a nice night.

      52. salsafreak December 26, 2014 at 10:51 pm

        Thanks for the advice.

        Shes a a retard allright, on her way to get a bogus PHD. As a disciple of Roosh, i believe in making oneself better. Im trying to learn spanish, learn playing the guitar, master one ballroom dance move/week, prepare for my first half marathon and I used to love writing. An exchange of words even with a bogus phd to be helps me checkoff in my daily checklist to write something/anything for the day. I feel bad if I dont accomplish 90% of my to do list and that includes writing

      53. salsafreak December 23, 2014 at 11:03 am

        My son is assured of my love even if he stops notching which is very unlikely. The irony of having several gfs according to him is that women desire men already owned by others even butt ugly ones. Now the good looking smart jocks have the effects compounded.

        I forgot to tell you on his 16th b-day the roosh book and the box of condoms came with the carkeys of my beloved 3y/o bmw convertible m3 car, he refused the car and we went to get him a used toyota fckin prius. Gave me the lame reason his buddies wont borrow a slow car and he wont get speeding tickets. Thats awesome confidence for a 16 y/o choosing to drive a grandmas car.. If one wants to please someone you dont refuse their gifts nor get a vehicle which is the total opposite of whats offered. Proud of him, he speaks his mind and knows what he wants.

        Im not rich, use sports cars can be had if one buys a convertible when their is snow everywhere.

      54. chiiill December 23, 2014 at 1:00 pm

        The plot thickens! So your son is assured of your love because you bought him a car? And he wanted a Prius? Alternative theory: he didn’t want to announce to the world that he has a small penis and wanted to impress smart hippie girls with vegan diets, lustrous, never-dyed hair, and non-Purity-ring-oriented views of sexuality, so he steered you away from the midlife crisis mobile. He could have wanted to impress you by being clever. But this sounds like a fucked up situation, just sayin’.

      55. salsafreak December 23, 2014 at 2:45 pm

        I guess he didnt want my leftover car which I babied for 3 years, a purchase made after my exwife drop me for a jobless musician, b4 I learned game. Guess he knows the advatage of having the looks and game, afterall one cant bring a midlife crisis car inside d bar scene.

        One advantage of being a single man again, I dont have to fund someones obsession with expensive shoes. I can buy 2 loaves of subway for $10-12 bucks and get my whole days meal, splurge the savings on a sick car and make my whole house a man cave.Hell I even use the line when I got this hottie in my house asking what I do for a living” I’ll tell you but I have to kill you”. She said thats sexy, go figure.

      56. chiiill December 23, 2014 at 11:07 pm

        If you were going to a 40’s-ish bar, the car might work nicely, like a ring finger tan line. I’m not saying a car like that can’t be a badass hobby, but it is unlikely at this point in pop culture history to be helpful in “connecting” with most people sexually, unless, that is, they share your same niche interest. High school girls are unlikely to share that niche interest.

        A major awesome thing about feminism is that it lets women buy their own damn shoes. Had you been with a badass feminist, you could have had the car all along.

      57. GreatCrooksOfMen (GCOM) December 25, 2014 at 11:31 am

        it’s revealing of your internal mental dialogue that
        A) you love trying to break down bonds between fathers and sons

        B) you’re obsessed with small penis. kinda confusing but whatever

        C) you sound like bi or lesbian the way you talk about those cute little hippy girls. this would explain a lot.

        D) What to me is a lucid story becomes to you “a fucked up situation”
        Does that mean, in your brain, fucked-up situations are told as lucid narratives?
        Again, this would explain so much

        love the smarmy folky “just sayin'” and the drama-lesbian-esque “the plot thickens!!”

      58. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 7:24 pm

        A) I am trying to help him build bonds on a strong foundation and avoid setting his son up to be miserable and damage others.

        B) Big dicks are way overrated. They hurt more than help.

        C) Being able to recognize that another person would be attractive to others does not mean you are attracted to them. That said, I don’t really place gender limitations on sexual attraction. I don’t understand how to do it.

        I love your bizarre free verse poetry and seemingly drunken abuse.

      59. snowden_farted December 26, 2014 at 6:33 pm

        the plot thickents – chiiiil continues to troll

        a few try to put her in her place

        most laugh and with a quick glance to the sky, thank the creator that they are not with a female like this

      60. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 8:13 pm

        Meh.

      61. Stonewall December 23, 2014 at 2:06 pm

        You are making some very broad generalizations with your comments. To say that “this entire site and value system is about hating and being adversarial with women” is totally off base. You obviously are passionate about women being seen as individuals, hopefully you allow for men to viewed as individuals as well.
        This site/forum appeals to many men who possess a broad range of views on the various issues that are discussed here. I certainly don’t “hate” women. What you need to understand is that the men here who support some/most/all of what is said here are not a “fringe” group. There are a large number of men who visit this site, and these men are successful and very productive members of their various communities.
        By all means, please do not think that you speak for all or a majority of women when making your comments. For example, I know many women who cherish “old-timey gender roles” and would greatly take issue with your views on this subject.
        My overall observation from reading your posts is that you do not seem to understand just how many men agree (at varying levels) with Roosh’s views. And frankly, your comments go a long way in validating many of the conclusions Roosh makes.

      62. chiiill December 24, 2014 at 8:23 am

        “To say that “this entire site and value system is about hating and being adversarial with women” is totally off base.”

        Why? Have you seen this shit?

        If you think it’s ok to bully women into having sex because women who have sex are worthless, you kinda do hate women because almost all women have sex (except nuns and people who have huge problems relating to others).

        I speak for myself. I understand that Serena Joys exist, and you should know that women with entitlement issues often internalize certain aspects of sexism to justify their entitlement issues, as in, “I can’t work or open doors! Buy me things, like a gentleman! I’m so pretty!”

        I definitely understand that there is a sizable portion of men who think I’m only valuable as a series of holes, but I’m making a real effort here to not hate men generally. I know you lurk, and you’re probably my supervisor, the man who creeps up on me in public and asks if I “like monsters” to scare me, the guy at the grocery store buying kale (“No fat cunts!”), my fellow students, my family members, etc. Sometimes life is terrifying and depressing.

        In what way do my comments validate Rooshbag’s conclusions?

      63. Stonewall December 24, 2014 at 2:12 pm

        Referring to my comment that you alluded to, I take issue with the very broad generalization that you make. Roosh focuses on a multitude of varying topics, thus it really hurts your credibility when you state that his “entire” focus is on “hating and being adversarial with women”.
        The fact of the matter is that various components of Roosh’s message resonate with a very diverse number of men. It would be very unwise to even remotely attempt to categorize or label those men who support/follow Roosh. Take me for example. I don’t use “game”. I don’t have one night stands. Heck, I don’t even go to bars. That said, I do believe in traditional gender roles. I do believe that men and women are different, and have unique God-given skills and attributes.
        Honestly, I think it’s good that you post here and I disagree with those posters who tell you to leave. Furthermore, I believe that some posters have written some totally classless messages to you. I can see why you would use terms like “hate” and “adversarial”, and it could intuitively be easy for you to categorize all the men on this site to fit into a specific group. But again, doing so would be making a faulty conclusion.
        The thought of “bullying” a woman into sex is totally foreign to me. I’ve been fortunate enough to have very positive relationships with women. All of the women who I have had relationships with have possessed views on gender roles that you would most likely identify as “traditional”. They also never had any “entitlement issues”.
        Let me expand on why your behavior and comments here reinforces some of the views that Roosh has expressed here on this site. I only recently was exposed to Roosh and his websites/forum, and have only posted here a few times. I read through one of his articles, and then took a look at the comments. I saw a few of your comments, and they really jumped out to me. Why? Two reasons. First, I was struck by how you use your intelligence (obviously you are highly educated, as am I) to ridicule and tear down those who possess an intellect that is below yours. Obviously, it’s great to be smart but when it is apparent that you are debating someone who is not in your intellectually league, take the high road and call off the dogs. As an outside observer, it makes you look haughty, arrogant, and condescending. Great, you’re highly educated. However, many others are not as fortunate as you. Ironically (as you discuss men bullying women), you are the one who actually comes across as the bully.
        Secondly, as one who is highly educated, you damage your credibility by using crude and classless terminology. It makes you look really unprofessional and undignified. I mean, look at your first message to me (an individual you obviously know nothing about) and the last one you wrote to “salsafreak”. If you want to earn someone’s respect, show at least some civility. No one I know would utilize verbage such as “No fat cunts!” or “dicks don’t really fit in faces without a lot of effort”. And, referring to Roosh as “Rooshbag”. I mean, are we in junior high here. Simply put, it just reinforces what Roosh says about the overall character of Western women.

      64. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 9:30 pm

        The central point of almost every article I have seen Roosh write has been misogyny in some way, except for articles that tell you to have basic hygiene under control, wear clothes that fit, and not be fat, which are few and far between. Seriously, this guy wrote this. Seriously, these are his beliefs, and he is willing to sacrifice quality of life in society for submissive women and easy sex.

        “I do believe that men and women are different, and have unique God-given skills and attributes.”

        And the roles that follow from that just “happen to” make women have less power and freedom, as well as ability to protect themselves from violence? Is that an “oopsie,” or what? Results matter when determining the validity and desirability of an ideology.

        “Honestly, I think it’s good that you post here and I disagree with those posters who tell you to leave.”

        I appreciate your comment and its tone as well, although I disagree with some things you say.

        Yay that you’ve had positive relationships with women and are not a sexual predator!

        “They also never had any “entitlement issues”.”

        Never expected you to do things for them because of their gender that they could do themselves? This is interesting.

        “First, I was struck by how you use your intelligence (obviously you are highly educated, as am I) to ridicule and tear down those who possess an intellect that is below yours.”

        I may have done this. I’m not sure. My intent was to tear down their ideas, which frankly deserve it.

        There is also a huge difference between being denied an education and willfully and gleefully wallowing in ignorance.

        “when it is apparent that you are debating someone who is not in your intellectually league, take the high road and call off the dogs.”

        If I thought someone was really at an intellectual disadvantage rather than simply enjoyed being anti-intellectual and offensive, I would have. I can’t think of a time when that happened on this thread, though. I’ll take this opportunity to renew motivation for checking for confirmation bias.

        “As an outside observer, it makes you look haughty, arrogant, and condescending.”

        Perhaps, but by comparison? If so, you’re judging women more harshly than men. Is that something you would want to do?

        “crude and classless terminology.”

        I’m not generally concerned with seeming refined or wealthy, especially not in this setting.

        “It makes you look really unprofessional and undignified.”

        To some, including you, maybe. I don’t think that’s widespread, and I’m not convinced that sacrificing authenticity in general is warranted. I have fun with life and use whimsical language in recreational settings. Some of it’s slang, and/or sexual. This is not a professional setting. I’m really not getting paid, though others have amusingly suggested I am.

        “No one I know would utilize verbage”

        (By the way, I was implying that the hypothetical man at the grocery store would say, “No fat cunts!” not that that probably matters to you.)

        But anyway, you live in a very homogeneous social world, I guess?

      65. GreatCrooksOfMen (GCOM) December 25, 2014 at 11:19 am

        LOLLLLLL “pressuring” a 16 year old guy to have sex

        you are a fucking retard

      66. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 7:45 pm

        Interesting again. Your original comment, which was emailed to me, said, “LOLLLLLL “pressuring” a 16 year old guy to have sex

        you are a fucking retard”.

        16-year-old boys are people too, and might not be ready or not want to have sex with absolutely everyone. Although reports of it are rare, the fact that they are expected to be completely sexually indiscriminate sets them up to be raped and not believed. That’s fucked up. His sexual consent should be his alone, and shouldn’t be being influenced by his father. Ew.

        How were you “robbed off [your] young sexuality by feminism”? Feminism made it less dangerous for teenage girls and young women to have sex with you.

        Wow, you’re abusive. Perhaps that’s the reason women avoid you?

      67. GreatCrooksOfMen (GCOM) December 25, 2014 at 11:18 am

        Salsafreak, I think you’re doing exactly the right thing for your son and he will thank you for it (and if he doesn’t, ONLY because he has no blessed idea how BAD it sucks to be a young man without those lessons)

      68. salsafreak December 22, 2014 at 10:57 am

        Any suggestions on how to convince my son that he should learn to dance ballroom too because I can teach him anytime/anyday and not just that hiphop/gymnastic dancing with his dance group.

        A 16 y/0 salsafreak would be awesome, more ammo for seduction on ones arsenal.
        ________________________________________

        TO THE ENLIGHTENED GUYS HERE, ANY SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO GET OVER THE INSECURITY OF HAVING A SMALL DICK, it seems to me this insecurity kicks in when im trying to notch a 9 or 10.Never bothered me when Im going for an 8 or lower.

      69. chiiill December 22, 2014 at 1:03 pm

        I guess tell him Ukrainian women like ballroom dancing? 0,o

      70. salsafreak December 23, 2014 at 9:23 am

        Wow you make fun of Ukrainian women. They are excellent latin and standard ballroom dancers, Ive dance partnered with one, too bad got to third base only, gave me blue balls. Could have done her standing. The dancing was awkward thought, 3 inches taller plus fckin heels.

      71. chiiill December 24, 2014 at 12:55 pm

        I bet they like dancing. I’ve just noticed a common cultural thread that they are raised to please and extract money from men as a means of survival. I live in a Ukrainian neighborhood, and young women walking by have made fun of me for reading outside.

      72. GreatCrooksOfMen (GCOM) December 25, 2014 at 11:33 am

        at least… that’s what you keep telling yourself they’re really making fun of you for!

      73. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 7:21 pm

        They said, “always reading” in English.

      74. snowden_farted December 26, 2014 at 6:33 pm

        busy little troll aren’t you

      75. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 9:32 pm

        We’re busy together! Kumbaya.

      76. GreatCrooksOfMen (GCOM) December 25, 2014 at 11:17 am

        no it’s not. idiot

      77. GreatCrooksOfMen (GCOM) December 25, 2014 at 11:16 am

        what’s funny chiiill is how you criticize everyone upstream in the comments for their honesty and analysis of why this is happening. you think salsa just needs to “see the light” and he’ll “go back” to “being better than this” and “not teaching this bullshit.”

        but chiiill, you still can’t see that salsafreak is exactly what all of us are talking about.

        chiiill, you think we are lost, and you will guide us,
        but we are FOUND

        we are FOUND, chiiill. this is the place where everything makes sense, that once I could only perceive as contradiction.

        it’s too late. harsh and ugly truth can be slowed down by sophistry, but not concealed forever.

        there are some things that can’t be unseen. western women are ruined, can’t think of a single childhood girl-friend that I’m interested in speaking to or hanging out with. they’re all such loose, washed up sluts with horrid stories and jaded memories.

        They used to be so pretty and sweet. I used to work studiously and apply myself so that maybe I could settle down with one of them someday. But the times are a changing and the value of young american women’s company is plummeting in my book. I seriously don’t miss them at all.

      78. snowden_farted December 26, 2014 at 6:21 pm

        getting scared aren’t you chiiil

        this shit is real and it is having an impact on the American female…you have been lied to and manipulated

        wake the f*ck up

      79. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 9:33 pm

        Oh, I’ve been scared for a long time. Being a woman requires you to be somewhat scared all the time. Relish that, do you? Think about what kind of person that makes you.

      80. thedude January 2, 2015 at 9:50 pm

        Being male is what’s scary nowadays cupcake. Mainly thanks to man-hating psychopaths like you.

    2. Kevin December 18, 2014 at 12:07 am

      I applaud Roosh for standing up for the great lawyer and blogger Mike Cernovich when the pinko commie fag Zionist brainwashed SJWs attacked Mike for standing up for the right to free speech.

      1. Vito December 18, 2014 at 11:11 pm

        Looks like someone has his head so far up his ass, he can’t think clearly.

      2. fokkertism December 25, 2014 at 1:26 am

        Did the JIDF pay you to write that bullshit?

  6. Prince LaQroix December 15, 2014 at 10:35 am

    And yet, men are EVIL for not marrying these sluts when they’re past their prime. Why the hell would you wanna marry someone who gave it all to random dudes but then closes up like a clam to the dude she freaking marries. She gives more to random dudes but the husband is sexist for expecting it just once a week.

    1. Amanda December 15, 2014 at 3:06 pm

      who are you to judge if a woman has sex with many men. It’s her body, her choice

      1. Sean December 15, 2014 at 3:19 pm

        Heh, and your past, our choice.

      2. chiiill December 21, 2014 at 8:26 pm

        Sweet. Stay away from the women.

      3. thedude January 2, 2015 at 9:51 pm

        Don’t worry, we are.

      4. Tacoman July 7, 2015 at 11:34 pm

        good god, do you have a life all i see is reply’s from you. Its made easier to recognize you because of your avatar.

      5. manmax December 15, 2014 at 3:27 pm

        Exactly Amanda her body her choice, my body my choice

      6. Reason December 15, 2014 at 3:31 pm

        What’s this shit about choice? Is it good? Does it make me rich? Choice doesn’t mean anything if it ends up being sucked up into the black hole of ego gratification. Choice isn’t a cock. Choice by itself is not good; a rapist chooses to rape. It is only good if it benefits others.

      7. chiiill December 21, 2014 at 8:28 pm

        What good are Roosh’s choices doing? Remember that for a while he thought he had HIV and was barebacking with multiple people. Bragged about it online. http://www.rooshv.com/i-took-an-hiv-test

      8. salsafreak December 23, 2014 at 8:40 am

        I would take the torture of suspecting I have aids rather than the ever present depressing nagging voice ( before I learned game and worship in the altar of roosh ) in my head telling me Im a looser because I got dump for a jerk who cant even keep a job.

        Call it shallow but the sexual validation from hot women is a confidence booster. Sexual validation from multiple hot women has a snowball effect on ones swagger.

      9. chiiill December 23, 2014 at 12:44 pm

        Therapy more directly and reliably addresses depression. He’s taking advantage of people’s depression and anxiety … doesn’t that make you angry?

      10. Tacoman July 7, 2015 at 11:37 pm

        Perhaps he is, what then do you offer to give the “broken” men here, other than shame and guilt. It is this which men are sick of, people like you who know nothing of a mans world yet can atest to how easy it is.
        Keep running around and projecting your own problems on others, most men on this form are decent people. Some have problems you get this everywhere.

      11. JuanPeron December 15, 2014 at 3:46 pm

        Correct. Her body and her choice. As a man, it’s my choice to NOT settle down with her, but use her for her body as I please and pass on marriage.

      12. dorabella December 17, 2014 at 4:17 am

        It’s really amazing to see how you all guys think that women give a flying fuck whether you settle down and have a family or not.

      13. ENTJ December 17, 2014 at 4:36 am

        They do, which is why they whine “where have all the good men gone”, I’ll let you into a secret, they’re avoiding those used up sluts.

      14. dorabella December 17, 2014 at 4:54 am

        I’ll let you into another secret, the whining women are a tiny minority. The great majority of women live their life, fuck like weasels, or they don’t, settle down, have more or less happy families with reasonable men. Most of us don’t give a flying fuck what you tiny minority of “redpillers” do. You are utterly insignificant.

      15. INTP December 17, 2014 at 7:07 am

        “Most of us don’t give a flying fuck what you tiny minority of “redpillers” do. You are utterly insignificant.”

        Yet, here you are….

      16. dorabella December 17, 2014 at 7:25 am

        Oh yeah. You guys are hilarious! Irrelevant, but hilarious!

      17. JuanPeron December 17, 2014 at 11:07 am

        Just wait until you’re 45, well past your prime, single and no longer able to have children. Looking back on a life wasted, having offered your body to anyone at anytime, leaving you with an empitness that can never be filled. BTW… Botox, Liposuction, Tat removal and finding a younger guy to sleep with you are all signs the empitness will not go away.

      18. dorabella December 18, 2014 at 5:44 pm

        I am already WAY over 45, you dumbass!! you guys are truly funny 🙂 The only empty thing here is your skull hahahaha

      19. manmax December 18, 2014 at 10:08 pm

        Are you my biological grandmother ?

      20. Stonewall December 23, 2014 at 2:25 pm

        Come on. Look at the terminology used in the various comments made by this poster. Women “WAY over 45” don’t talk or write like this. Obviously, you have the right to come here and state your views, but to lie and invent a phony persona is rather disingenuous.

      21. dorabella December 28, 2014 at 11:52 am

        You are so full of it. How many women in their 50s do you have conversations with? Except yo’ mama, I mean.

      22. GreatCrooksOfMen (GCOM) December 25, 2014 at 11:36 am

        and having said all that, this is the best use of your time you can currently think of? LOL

      23. snowden_farted December 26, 2014 at 6:37 pm

        trolling trolling trolling

        look at dorabella trolling

        if anything, it just helps reinforce the point

      24. chiiill December 21, 2014 at 8:31 pm

        Providing a voice of sanity. The innocent awkward fellas this website is trying to warp deserve a fighting chance.

      25. salsafreak December 22, 2014 at 11:10 am

        If we take a poll of the nice guys who got their self respect/esteem back following the gospel of Roosh, im sure it would be staggering, the awkward innocent ones like me are thankful for guys who think like roosh.

      26. chiiill December 22, 2014 at 1:13 pm

        What Roosh provides is bullshit self-esteem that falls like a house of cards at the slightest provocation. It’s based on bullying and tricking people into joyless sexual encounters. That’s why there’s the cray cray rage against women who don’t want to have sex with you – the instant degradation and the unintentionally ironic declarations of their sluthood are necessary narcissistic protection of the gaping wound where your self-esteems should be.

        Saying Roosh gave you your self-esteem back is like saying a heroin dealer taught you how to love again.

      27. salsafreak December 23, 2014 at 9:17 am

        If the swagger I got now is heroin, Id rather be a junkie.

        When I was an innocent (womans doormat) ballroom dance teacher. I had almost 6 hours of cardio by default, 1.5 hours of weights, I was ripped as a calvin klein model. Yet hardly merit any look from most women. I EVEN WEAR ELEVATOR SHOES TO LOOK TALLER THAN 5’7″.

        At 42 y/o, a jerk wearing flipflops and, 25 lbs heavier I got more looks. What gives??

        The swagger came from this paradigm shift in my mind which came rather late

        Sex with hot women-increase in pheromones-increase pheromones increases sexual attraction-more sex with hot women ( and the cycle goes on)

      28. chiiill December 23, 2014 at 1:38 pm

        Sounds like that guy had an actual self-esteem, an identity beyond shallow stats, and was less judgmental-seeming than you. My point stands. The cycle continues, indeed.

      29. Tacoman July 7, 2015 at 11:40 pm

        Joyless sexual encounters, you do not understand men. Men in their prime love to fuck without strings attached you know this. Yet you deny it. top KEK

      30. GreatCrooksOfMen (GCOM) December 25, 2014 at 11:37 am

        yup

      31. GreatCrooksOfMen (GCOM) December 25, 2014 at 11:37 am

        hoping the betas will be there when you’re ready for them

        this site is like the karmic counter-intelligence for young men making sure in 10 years there’s gonna be a lot of sad hoes

      32. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 7:20 pm

        I’ve been in a happy relationship for two years. How’s your love life?

      33. snowden_farted December 26, 2014 at 6:38 pm

        chiiiil and dorabella are likely the same feminsta operating under multiple handles

      34. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 9:34 pm

        Honestly not. Is our writing style the same?

      35. snowden_farted December 26, 2014 at 6:36 pm

        ding ding ding…..well said INTP

      36. Tacoman July 7, 2015 at 11:40 pm

        minority of workers, tax payers, productive members of society is what she is referring to.

      37. Northy December 18, 2014 at 4:10 pm

        Hmmm…

      38. dorabella December 18, 2014 at 5:26 pm

        aaaah “yo mama!” We have a 3rd grader here! Isn’t it past your bedtime?

      39. manmax December 18, 2014 at 10:06 pm

        We’re so insignificant no one knows we exist.

        We’re actually better than the illuminati in keeping things a secret.

      40. GreatCrooksOfMen (GCOM) December 25, 2014 at 11:35 am

        THEN WHY ARE YOU HERE

      41. snowden_farted December 26, 2014 at 6:36 pm

        I’ll let you into another secret

        You are describing the Baby Boomer generation

        Those days are gone

        ….I already told you once slag, check out the Google Trends for MGTOW and Red Pill and see the truth for yourself.

        FYI – I’m an alpha and have enjoyed the American sluts and have enjoyed way more than my fair share.

        Now that I am in my 30’s, it is time to settle down a bit and look into starting a family…..no no no to American girls for this important task.

      42. TIM MCCLELLAN January 16, 2015 at 12:03 am

        Meow. Meow.

      43. chiiill December 21, 2014 at 8:29 pm

        It’s actually a good thing when people who hate you and consider you to be subhuman avoid you out of their bigotry. Thanks, guys! 😀

      44. GreatCrooksOfMen (GCOM) December 25, 2014 at 11:39 am

        yeah maybe you should write another 30 posts about how you’re avoiding our type of men

      45. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 7:19 pm

        You know, I just might. 😀

      46. GreatCrooksOfMen (GCOM) December 25, 2014 at 11:34 am

        A.M.E.N.

      47. Tusker December 17, 2014 at 1:38 pm

        You obviously do, otherwise you wouldn’t be here.

        You wouldn’t be hate-reading this oh-so-misognyst-and-sexist website unless you cared what we think about the opposite sex(not gender, SEX).

      48. Tacoman July 7, 2015 at 11:38 pm

        We know you don’t care because you have the state and manginas to take care of you. Eventually both wells will dry up. Look up MGTOW or Grass eaters. Tell me then who will provide for you.

      49. Days of Broken Arrows December 15, 2014 at 4:57 pm

        Who are you to judge if a man has no job, owes $10K debt, lives in his mom’s basement, and is in trouble with the law? It’s his life, his choice.

      50. Prince LaQroix December 15, 2014 at 5:21 pm

        Really couldn’t have stated it any better than these guys.

      51. Grody December 15, 2014 at 9:01 pm

        I took a different route. I up voted her comment so she would bang me.

      52. Sean December 15, 2014 at 11:42 pm

        Hah!

      53. jannis December 16, 2014 at 1:22 pm

        made my day!

      54. Tusker December 17, 2014 at 1:41 pm

        10/10 will screencap that comment and read it to my grandkids.

      55. splooge December 15, 2014 at 9:09 pm

        the women that claim not to judge are the ones that judge the most.
        May be your body but we are free to silently judge away and pretend to agree.

        example, clothes say a lot about a person hence why women are obsessed about clothes. Theyll judge women on their style and how she is,same with men. I wear something flashy and lugz, youll say im a thug of some sort. I wear a suit, Im treated much better. YOu can say the same thing about subcultures like the reggae stoner kid is gonna be laid back the gothic kid is gonna be a downer, nerd social awkward etc.

        But women lose their shit when suddenly they are to be judged. Like skimpy clothes, totally say you are slutty(unless its cultural like showing leg in asia). Few clothes bascially say you are comforable being naked with other people easy and party drink smoke etc,, while the conservative dont.

        What we wear is how one sees and feels about himself. Like poorly groomed he doesnt feel confident, bright clothes he feels outgoing. Overtly styled he must be vain. If women can sterotype us and other women, we most certainly will do the same.
        But problem is, women are so insecure about that theyll lie about their past to get into a relationship, and that makes her even worse and untrustworthy in our eyes.
        If you are gonna be a hoe, own it. DOnt lie. If he doesnt like it fine, next and vice versa.

        WOmen now adays just want the answers they want to hear, not what they need to hear.

        this judging thing can also go beyond clothes and sex, but can go to past behaoiur,employment, where ones from,etc.
        To best predict future outcomes, basically its like looking over aresume on whos the best candidate

      56. GRock December 15, 2014 at 9:38 pm

        Re; how you dress. Being definable to women gets you laid. They wantt be able to say:”Ok that’s the rough biker dude, that’s the ex-marine, that’s the hipster, that’s the jock, that’s the metro fag, etc etc.”

        Subsequently, those are also some of the lamest cats, the ones so easily definable. Women are too stupid to understand that, but being definable, categorizable, is part of their social language. So they do a diservice to themselves and to normal guys who aren’t ever going to bother fitting a mold. The non-conformists, who aren’t getting tatts to be different or unique types.

        I think Roosh is spot on re. the West, what has really shocked me is if you’ve followed his articles, just a year ago he was predicting it was on its way.. maybe years in development to get to where we are now. JUST A YEAR LATER. Cancer spreads fast with technology in society.

      57. Clark Kent December 17, 2014 at 1:36 am

        This is such a good post.

        What I find interesting about this is that these “male archetypes” or “personas” that girls go for change all the time and just depend on the social environment (read: what they see on TV, what other people think).

        I have an old friend who worked his ass off to be a doctor and get in great physical shape. He is so frustrated right now because he just can’t find a girl that wants to fuck him. Where I live being a shitty DJ with a bunch of slacker friends is simply more valuable to women than being a Doctor that can save lives and save money. He has no choice but to learn game.

        In another environment though he would be batting vagina off of him like mosquitos.

      58. chiiill December 21, 2014 at 8:37 pm

        Um, is your friend an asshole?

      59. GreatCrooksOfMen (GCOM) December 25, 2014 at 11:44 am

        no matter how much it’s in front of this hoe’s face
        she’s never gonna realize she’s wrong, just wrong wrong wrong

        so wrong, so deeply incorrect and wrong the light gets farther from her with every “*quick breath* but THIS” she offers like an oppositionally-defiant 16 year old

        have not seen a single sign of comprehension ability. Just another moron who decided what they believed long before the facts came in

      60. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 7:18 pm

        You sound really drunk in most of your comments, especially this one. Not that there’s anything wrong with getting drunk in and of itself, but were you drinking alone and abusively ranting online on Christmas? Uff da.

      61. Sean December 15, 2014 at 11:46 pm

        Once you realize everything they say negative about men is simply projection, the smirk gets bigger on your face.

      62. don mario December 18, 2014 at 6:38 pm

        its gotten out of hand. fat women can’t even be judged as fat anymore.. they are beautiful or body positive or naturally curvaceous or some shit. no. your FAT. and you should lose weight for your health and self respect.

        in asia people are called fat to their face and nobody cries about it.. they have no need to be in denial about it and so theres nothing to be upset about and hey…much less fat people in asia.

      63. chiiill December 21, 2014 at 8:38 pm

        Really burns you that you don’t get to define the cultural narrative, eh? WAHHHH!

      64. don mario December 21, 2014 at 8:40 pm

        Why would it? Im living better than i would of in the west. It bums me out that my fellow man is getting screwed over but at the end of the day its no longer my problem

      65. chiiill December 21, 2014 at 8:41 pm

        Where you at?

      66. don mario December 21, 2014 at 8:46 pm

        Not the western world

      67. chiiill December 21, 2014 at 9:12 pm

        Not an answer.

      68. don mario December 21, 2014 at 9:17 pm

        And why should you need to know?

      69. chiiill December 21, 2014 at 10:18 pm

        Curious about what you’re defining as “non-Western.” Is it just Asia, or do places like South America and Eastern Europe count as well? Africa?

      70. don mario December 22, 2014 at 8:41 am

        basically whatever sorry hole you crawled out of.. i wont be living in.

      71. chiiill December 22, 2014 at 1:14 pm

        Ooh.

      72. GreatCrooksOfMen (GCOM) December 25, 2014 at 11:45 am

        so you admit, it’s about defining the cultural narrative

        it’s just a power struggle

        stop acting like we’re dicks for fighting to keep our place at the table (a table 90% designed and built by white men), you hypocrite

      73. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 7:16 pm

        Defining the cultural narrative through brute force and suppression of dissenting voices is what men have done for most of history in most places. That’s not really available anymore. Defining the cultural narrative by being right is what’s in style now, and you can’t do it because you’re just wrong. Sorry.

      74. thedude January 2, 2015 at 9:54 pm

        Don’t bank on it lasting, cupcake.

      75. GreatCrooksOfMen (GCOM) December 25, 2014 at 11:45 am

        nah, fat women are ugly as fuck
        avoid

      76. chiiill December 21, 2014 at 8:36 pm

        The difference is that when you stereotype a reggae or goth person, you’re not expecting them to live their entire lives in order to please you. The stereotypes you mentioned aren’t even bad – laid back and sensitive are kind of cool.

        The attitudes on this site and sites like these are the ultimate narcissism. Women are supposed to limit their lives, especially when they’re young and free, just to “be good enough” for hypocritical narcissists who hate them? Fuck that.

      77. GreatCrooksOfMen (GCOM) December 25, 2014 at 11:47 am

        laid back and sensitive are gay and worthless
        would die in the wild
        GOOD

      78. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 7:14 pm

        Good thing we can adapt to our environments, and very few of us are in “the wild.”

      79. prepz December 16, 2014 at 12:02 am

        And, who are you, Amanda, to judge a man for his natural inclination to reject a female who is not worthy of his high standards?

        I know in your world men are slaves of women’s psychotic ideals. However, real men know their worth and reject you and your minions soundly. We exercise our freedom of choice as do you, choosing not to hitch our wagons to old used up hags when we have better prospects available to us.

        Yes, 50 years of feminist brainwashing and guilt have emasculated many men by deceiving them and robbing them of the power of truth. But, we are waking up to women’s schemes and rejecting sluts, whores and goldiggers because we demand more in a woman who we are going to bestow the regal title of WIFE.

        WE ARE THE JUDGES. WE ARE KINGS! Accept it, or suck it. It matters not to us any longer.

      80. dorabella December 17, 2014 at 5:28 am

        You are the judges, and still, all the media is in SJW’s hands. You are the kings, and still, feminists rule the world. Hmmmm I think you need to take some classes in leadership. Maybe from a feminist, who knows how to rule the world (according to you).

      81. Romeo December 17, 2014 at 11:17 am

        “all the media is in SJW’s hands”
        ” feminists rule the world”
        In which world are you living you delusional fuck ?
        Certainly an illusionary world where obesity rhymes with beauty…

      82. dorabella December 18, 2014 at 3:45 am

        You didn’t get it Romeo. The MRA’s are the people who think that the SJW’s run the media and feminists rule the world. You are the babies always whining that the world has been “pussified” and feminists have taken over.
        You redpillers think that men are being oppressed (by feminists). Not me. You.
        You redpillers are whining that all media and all politics bow to feminism. YOU are the delusional fuck.

      83. GreatCrooksOfMen (GCOM) December 25, 2014 at 11:48 am

        lol… I’m getting so much insight into your degenerate mind

        you think the loudest voice is the rightest
        you think talk = power
        you think media = truth
        you think consensus = judgement

        at least I know you’re not lying about being female

      84. don mario December 18, 2014 at 6:40 pm

        TRUFE.

      85. chiiill December 21, 2014 at 8:41 pm

        What does it say about you that you want much younger, submissive women? How can you have a real relationship with someone like that? You can say all you want that women who are or have enjoyed their freedom are “empty,” but remember that it is you who wants to settle down with someone who is less than you.

      86. GreatCrooksOfMen (GCOM) December 25, 2014 at 11:50 am

        you’re right, younger women should be aware that they are lesser and not fully human

        which does make me wonder, what age is someone no longer in the “lesser human being” category?

        I suspect, chiill, that for you that age keeps moving up with each of your successive and lonely birthdays

      87. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 7:13 pm

        I never said younger women were not fully human or were really “lesser;” just that compared to someone significantly older, they will have less life experience and power in the relationship, and will therefore almost always end up being subordinate, and will also probably have accomplished less by the time the relationship begins and have fewer options if they leave/ways to escape abuse. It’s insecure, unhealthy, and pathetic to want that, as the older person.

        I don’t think people’s humanity diminishes with age. That’s your territory.

      88. hv December 27, 2014 at 7:11 am

        You don’t get it, you stupid c unt. You are projecting your own views as a female and how you would feel about a younger man on men.. who do not feel the same way about a younger woman. Get that through your thick, cunty head. Men are not women. We don’t think like women. We don’t have the same sexual preferences as women. We value different things than women do in partner. We don’t value “sexual experience” in the woman we want to commit to.. we don’t give a fuck about her career or how “strong” and “independent” she is. Those are all things you value you in a man and look for .. But those are all detriments in our eyes and not what we value or look for. We prefer younger, submissive, sweet women who will make good wives and mothers. Who the fuck are you to decide or claim we cannot have a “real relationship” with someone like that? In most of human history, that model of a submissive younger woman and an older man and traditional gender roles have precisely been the standard model of male female relationships.. and have worked more often than not. Given the current landscape and state of male-female relationships, and how feminism has proven to be a demographic dead-end, and a great demotivator to men to pursue marriage (most men have no desire whatsover to wife up an career minded, ex-slut like you – they make awful long-term partners and cause friction and problems in a relationship) I would argue the onus is on YOU to demonstrate your ideal of a relationship is the “correct” one or the one that works in the long-term. I see no evidence for it.

      89. thedude January 2, 2015 at 9:56 pm

        Bingo! Notice the lack of response. What Women Want = Right. What Men Want = Wrong/Pervy/WhoCares.

        Well, MEN care. And we’re sick of this one-sided shit.

      90. guest1975 December 16, 2014 at 11:20 am

        Yes, your body, until someone moves in.

      91. chiiill December 21, 2014 at 8:42 pm

        …Like a parasite?

      92. John Jones December 16, 2014 at 1:29 pm

        Promiscuous women make awful wives and terrible mothers. They’re also more likely to be mentally ill, something no reasonable man wants in a partner for life.

        Actions have consequences in life, if you’re going to meet a man you want to marry and he doesn’t approve of your previous whore life, then that’s on you. A man is still allowed to have his choice not to deal with those kind of women being forced on him. A good man wants a woman to be his, not everyone’s plus the neighbours she’s fucking.

      93. chiiill December 21, 2014 at 8:42 pm

        Yes, it’s totally normal to want to own another human being. #GoodMen

      94. John Jones December 24, 2014 at 10:31 am

        Women are not equal to men, science wise or biology wise. They’re also a gender of underachievers who spent most of their time lazing away.

      95. chiiill December 24, 2014 at 1:57 pm

        Derp. Merry Christmas.

      96. John Jones December 24, 2014 at 2:26 pm

        Nah, if you want to be a slave for women, go ahead. But watch as your world burns, it’s gonna be women’s fault.

        Don’t enable them into destroying the natural order of things.

      97. GreatCrooksOfMen (GCOM) December 25, 2014 at 11:52 am

        sophistry and words ain’t gonna change reality and biology
        but shame DID work on us for about 30 years 1980-2010, so I understand why you’re gonna keep hammering at it with all you’ve got even after it’s stopped having the desired effect. like an addict.

      98. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 7:09 pm

        Interesting. Some editing is fine, but your original comment, which was emailed to me, said, “sophistry and words ain’t gonna change reality and biologymen don’t care what you think of our preferences
        she’s better in bed than you anyway. we don’t pine for you”
        .

        I’m not necessarily trying to change you. Yes, the internet, particularly comment boards, is addictive for us, isn’t it?

      99. Tusker December 17, 2014 at 1:32 pm

        “her body, her choice”

        “his wallet, his choice”

      100. Remo December 17, 2014 at 2:41 pm

        Because GOD himself judges you a whore. And in the end his judgement trumps yours you pathetic little beast because he made you and set the rules. You will find this out one way or the other – it is only a matter of time.

      101. chiiill December 21, 2014 at 8:43 pm

        Aw… god probably doesn’t exist.

      102. Remo December 21, 2014 at 9:43 pm

        You can explain that to him in person in time.

      103. chiiill December 21, 2014 at 10:20 pm

        If that happened, I would like to ask him why he created people with brains and then demanded they not use them on pain of extreme, over-the-top punishment. Is he a sadist, or what? How are we supposed to be on his team when he behaves like an unreasonable, violent child?

      104. Remo December 21, 2014 at 11:09 pm

        I’m not your personal theologian and if I tried to explain it you would simply dismiss/deny it immediately anyway and both of us know this. Suffice to say from my perspective I’m speaking to a blind man trying to explain the beauty of a sunrise while he is loudly proclaiming in his ignorance that such doesn’t exist. No amount of argument or eloquence is going to change his mind.

        As for your points your initial presumption is incorrect (people not using their brains) so whatever logical trail that leads from it is also going to be incorrect. The punishment you speak of is a choice made by you to not go to his heaven, and part of the burden of having a brain is being responsible for your own actions. If your initial point were correct this would create a contradiction but it isn’t so its not.

        You’ll going to be on one of two teams and its your choice which. The other team chose to remove itself from GOD’s presence and suffers from a self selected eternity removed from the source of love. I can’t make you understand that and I would prefer you’d choose otherwise – but Its up to you in the end. Heaven is a perfect place made for perfect people. Any sin that got in there would corrupt perfection so it isn’t allowed in anymore than an ebola patient who refused a cure should be allowed to roam about a daycare center. Since I’ve sinned *a lot* I’ve got a problem and I chose the way GOD has given to fix it. I can’t perfect myself and this world truly sucks because of sins committed by people just like me. How awful it would be if this was all there is. I don’t think I could stand to live in such a terribly evil world knowing that only death awaited.

        I’ve made my choice and you make yours but the rules won’t change because you don’t like them and if you think otherwise it’s on you.

      105. chiiill December 21, 2014 at 11:42 pm

        Religion makes people live longer, feel more satisfaction with their lives, and seem more trustworthy to others. Who wouldn’t want that?

        I have tried to believe in god, but that is like asking me to force myself to perceive the sky as green. It’s a lot like the sailboat scene in Mall Rats, with me as Willem, the Magic Eye picture as the world, and god as the sailboat. I suppose I could just lie to people, and I used to, but I would always know it was a lie, and doing that was actually really, really wrong. I can tell that because I have a natural internal sense of ethics and compassion, and do not need arbitrary external rules to follow.

        The fact of the matter is that if your god exists, he made people like me with brains like mine that see blue skies and no sailboats, and not for lack of trying to see. Why? Just to torture us? That seems like something a good deity would do… ?

        Heaven is for perfect people? I thought those didn’t exist (original sin, etc.). So then heaven is just another torture device as well?

        Your original comment gives me pause as well. “Because GOD himself judges you a whore. And in the end his judgement trumps yours you pathetic little beast because he made you and set the rules. You will find this out one way or the other – it is only a matter of time.”

        That is not a statement made by a generally compassionate, benevolent person. It has an inherent hatred of and pushing down of women. I used to feel bad I couldn’t make myself believe in god, but every time I see something like this, another remaining piece of that feeling chips away. Hopefully one day, it will be completely gone, so please keep saying stuff that makes religious people sound like serial killers! Thank you for the work you have done for me already.

      106. Remo December 22, 2014 at 1:17 am

        The fact of the matter is that if your god exists, he made people
        like me with brains like mine that see blue skies and no sailboats, and
        not for lack of trying to see. Why? Just to torture us? That seems like
        something a good deity would do… ?

        What is good? And how are you judging good vs. evil and based on what moral standard – your personal one? I came to believe because I very much do believe that evil does exist and if it does this implies its opposite. That lead me to begin searching. As to why if you have searched you haven’t found what you are looking for I can’t answer that. I don’t know you and have no clue about the state of your soul beyond what you are telling me are your experiences. For myself when I sought out GOD I didn’t have trouble believing but that is my experience and I don’t expect anyone but me to believe it..

        Heaven is for perfect people?

        Yes. Sin makes the world imperfect. Heaven is perfect. If there was sin in it the place would become hell – living forever with sin.

        I thought those didn’t exist (original sin, etc.). So then heaven is just another torture device as well?

        Perfect people don’t exist, they are forgiven through the blood sacrifice of the sinless son of GOD. I don’t pretend to understand the cosmic mechanics of this but I don’t need to understand the workings of turbine jet propulsion to buy and utilize a plane ticket and trust that I will get where I want to go.

        Your original comment gives
        me pause as well. “Because GOD himself judges you a whore. And in the
        end his judgement trumps yours you pathetic little beast because he made
        you and set the rules. You will find this out one way or the other – it
        is only a matter of time.”

        That is not a statement made by a
        generally compassionate, benevolent person.

        I never claimed to be compassionate, benevolent, or anything good according to your way of judgement. I was bitter, cruel, nasty, and shined the light on something you are doing wrong and your defense of it. You advocate evil which I deem a bad thing especially if others take your advice. Not only is this the key to unhappiness in this world but it spits in the face of the creator as well.

        It has an inherent hatred of
        and pushing down of women.

        No – it is protecting their long term interests. It is no more evil then denying a child ice cream for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. The fact that you want to do something does not mean it is harmless or that it is a good thing.

        I used to feel bad I couldn’t make myself
        believe in god, but every time I see something like this, another
        remaining piece of that feeling chips away.

        If your faith or lack thereof is based on being happy or disappointed in other human beings then you are definitely barking up the wrong tree. There is not a person on this Earth who won’t disappoint you eventually. The perfect savior lived a long time ago and I am not him. I’m sure what I said wasn’t 100% Christian and if you let me speak in total for GOD (which I never claimed or wanted to do) then that is foolish. While what I said is true the way I said it probably hurt your feelings – oh well – I’m brash – that doesn’t mean it isn’t true but that is up to you to accept or not.

        Hopefully one day, it will
        be completely gone, so please keep saying stuff that makes religious
        people sound like serial killers!

        So we’ve gone from my condemnation of fornication to becoming a serial killer? Interesting… I fail to see the logical connection there but as I see it makes you feel better about yourself have at.

        Thank you for the work you have done
        for me already.

        No problem. Leave a tip in the jar please.

        Also wondering: how do you hate the world so much
        and still see god in it? I don’t even hate the world that much, but my
        search has always come up with diddly.

        Of course you don’t hate the world if you are in sin – the devil doesn’t think hell is bad place after all I am sure. If you like the world as is you can have it but personally GOD has a better place staked out and if you don’t like that its on you.

        Cheers

      107. chiiill December 22, 2014 at 8:34 am

        “What is good? And how are you judging good vs. evil and based on what moral standard – your personal one?”

        Good is that which causes the least overall suffering. Yes, I’m judging good and evil based on my personal ethical standard, which is based upon minimizing harm and promoting compassion (rather than condoning slavery, genocide, rape, and arbitrary rules to sometimes ignore just ’cause we want to, as the Xtian Bible does).

        “I came to believe because I very much do believe that evil does exist and if it does this implies its opposite.”

        How does evil’s existence imply the existence of a deity? I’ve been looking for evidence of a good god … perhaps I should be looking for evidence of an evil one?

        “As to why if you have searched you haven’t found what you are looking for I can’t answer that. I don’t know you and have no clue about the state of your soul beyond what you are telling me are your experiences. For myself when I sought out GOD I didn’t have trouble believing but that is my experience and I don’t expect anyone but me to believe it..”

        Neither of us has very much reason to lie about this. I believe you about your spiritual experience and am not lying about mine, but the fact remains that I exist, and you believe god created me. What’s up with that? Why would god promise to do sick, twisted shit to people he created to be unable to honestly believe he exists?

        “Perfect people don’t exist, they are forgiven through the blood sacrifice of the sinless son of GOD.”

        So if everyone able to do mental gymnastics or effectively lie to themselves just gets to do this, what does that say about your “perfect people”?

        “I never claimed to be compassionate, benevolent, or anything good according to your way of judgement. I was bitter, cruel, nasty”

        So you’re openly admitting to acting like a shitty person, and advocating others be the same way? Because it’s somehow good? No wonder you think this world is not enough; you’ve poisoned your experience of it with your hate.

        “something you are doing wrong and your defense of it. You advocate evil”

        Let’s review what “evil” I am advocating, shall we? Last time I checked, I was here to advocate treating women and girls like actual people (gasp!).

        “Not only is this the key to unhappiness in this world but it spits in the face of the creator as well.”

        I suppose you know a great deal about self-imposed unhappiness…

        “No – it is protecting their long term interests. It is no more evil then denying a child ice cream for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.”

        In what ways are women like children? After you answer this question, I am interested in knowing what, then, makes it ok for you to have sex with them, if they are essentially children?

        “If your faith or lack thereof is based on being happy or disappointed in other human beings then you are definitely barking up the wrong tree.”

        It’s based on not being able to see evidence that is even suggestive that a benevolent deity exists, beyond a bunch of power-hungry people saying one does and using this baseless assertion to try to control others. I think I have a much better opinion of people than you do. People can be disappointing, and they can also be inspiring. Every person has these elements. Thinking in an infantile, black-and-white style about people in general sounds like a recipe for this bitterness you keep talking about.

        “I’m sure what I said wasn’t 100% Christian and if you let me speak in total for GOD (which I never claimed or wanted to do) then that is foolish.”

        If you’re claiming to be such a believer you are able to condemn others for (gasp!) having sex and not living with the express purpose, all the time, of pleasing you, then you are claiming to speak for god. Judge not, lest ye be judged, dude.

        “the way I said it probably hurt your feelings”

        Not exactly; it disgusted me and made me want to counteract the poisonous influence of those ideas.

        “So we’ve gone from my condemnation of fornication to becoming a serial killer?”

        I said you sounded like a serial killer – specifically, the one from the SVU episode called “Savior.” If you have Hulu Plus, you can watch it here: http://www.hulu.com/watch/222984#i0,p235,d0

        You called women who lead normal lives “whore[s]” and “pathetic little beast[s].” It’s a hop, skip, and a jump from that kind of vitriolic hatred to actually getting violent, especially because the people you hate aren’t particularly powerful or well-protected.

        “If you like the world as is you can have it but personally GOD has a better place staked out and if you don’t like that its on you.”

        I don’t generally like or dislike the world as it is; it’s a mixed bag. It does seem to be getting worse because we’re letting it (increasing economic inequality and concentration of power in the hands of psychopaths, a higher percentage of slaves than any other time in human history, resource wars, etc..), but there’s also awesome things. Ever seen a TED talk? Heard of Doctors without Borders? Etc. I haven’t given up on the world.

      108. Remo December 22, 2014 at 10:20 am

        “Good is that which causes the least overall suffering.”

        To who? You? Your neighbor? Only those you like? What if suffering now is required to abate suffering later on but you don’t know this? Is that wrong simply because you don’t like it now and can’t understand it? And furthermore why is suffering bad? If you are simply a collection of molecules that came together at random and happen to take on a particular series of shapes and forms now then myself or anyone else rearranging those molecules anyway we see fit isn’t evil – you need an objective standard for that and you dismiss the being capable of providing this. As it stands your definition is no better than anyone else’s and after a vote maybe we’ll agree that suffering is just dandy. In order to give any tangible meaning to your way of deciding what is good or evil you need a standard that is above you or else anyone can trump what you say is good/bad. 1000 Mayans agreed that cutting the hearts out of people and eating them was “good” because it eliminated suffering. At least they had the strength of claiming this standard came from above while your standard is only based on luke warm Christian ethics passed down to a civilization that hasn’t quite thrown them off yet.

        “How does evil’s existence imply the existence of a deity? ”

        Because in order for there to be something called “GOOD” or “EVIL” you must have something outside of man making the definitions. If the definitions are by men then they change, they aren’t eternal, and what’s good today is evil tomorrow. For all of history though evil has taken on certain characteristics that transcend humanity. Societies tend to fall in very specific ways repeating the same mistakes and reaping the same consequences. This implies a destabilizing force which we can label evil and such a force is above and beyond us, intelligent, and malevolent. In order for there to be chaos there must first be order.

        “Let’s review what “evil” I am advocating, shall we? Last time I checked,
        I was here to advocate treating women and girls like actual people
        (gasp!).”

        No, not in the slightest and I won’t give you any wiggle room on this. You are advocating women run around and whore it up with men before they are married (and likely during and afterwards lets be honest here) This is what you are advancing. If that is what you think being actual people means then no wonder you’re lost as you won’t find happiness pursuing this lifestyle.

        “In what ways are women like children?”

        Absolute hatred of responsibility, lead primarily by emotions, low impulse control, shall we continue? Look at the video that Roosh posted and tell me how independent and mature that thing in it is.

        “If you’re claiming to be such a believer you are able to condemn others for (gasp!) having sex”

        I don’t make the rules GOD does. It was a warning. My condemnation or lack thereof carries no weight. If I don’t condemn or I do makes absolutely no difference to the universe anymore than us arguing back and forth means GOD exists or does not. No matter what you think there is an objective standard out there that you can’t argue with – even if you walk away from this debate thinking YEAH I WON!!! It won’t change reality. Get that through your head please.

        “I said you sounded like a serial killer – specifically, the one from the SVU episode called “Savior.””

        And you sound like one of the girls from Sex and the City so I guess that makes you one of them. Great! What a time saver! Now I can make all sorts of cockamamie statements about your personal life and behavior based on a sitcom. What wonder will Hollywood produce tomorrow that fully allows you to catalog other human beings based solely on internet posts? The mind boggles….

        “You called women who lead normal lives “whore[s]”

        And I call Mayan priests who butchered people by cutting their hearts out murderers which was normal for that time and place. Do you want 10,000 other examples of what was “normal” in history that we now consider thoroughly evil? Normal does not equal good.

        and “pathetic little
        beast[s].”

        Yes. Delighting in serial sex makes an animal of oneself. And even our host is finding no happiness in banging tons of women. Dare I say if I could conjure a virginal, sweet, pretty, kind girl out of thin air Roosh would likely stay loyal to her for the rest of his life. That’s what men want – too bad none exist now because you know – normal now means whore, chip on shoulder, castrating harpy. Man up and marry those guys! It’s normal!

        “It’s a hop, skip, and a jump from that kind of vitriolic
        hatred to actually getting violent,”

        Horseshit. Prove that. Trolls dump vitriol all the time and don’t get violent and this has nothing to do with violence. You aren’t on some crusade to save women from any real threat – you want to convince them to sleep around (likely because you’ve done so a lot) which *is* a real threat to their mental health and future.

        “especially because the people you
        hate aren’t particularly powerful or well-protected.”

        Women put themselves into extremely dangerous situations then demand the world bend over backwards to pay the price for them. You are encouraging this. If you cared about them (you don’t) you would not be promoting what you are promoting. Your concern is for yourself not them and I can see that 1000 miles away.

      109. chiiill December 22, 2014 at 10:42 pm

        “To who?”

        All sentient beings.

        “What if suffering now
        is required to abate suffering later on but you don’t know this?”

        Do the best you can. An actual good faith effort. 😉

        Seriously, you can’t know the future, but you can do your best to predict it. That’s what science is for. Perhaps we didn’t know about climate change in 1890, but we know a great deal now, so now we are responsible for acting on it.

        “And furthermore why
        is suffering bad?”

        Suffering is one of those rare words, much like “bad” itself, that is tautologically defined. You might as well ask, “Why is bad bad?” Suffering is bad because it causes pain. That is its freakin’ definition.

        “If you are simply a
        collection of molecules that came together at random and happen to take on a
        particular series of shapes and forms now then myself or anyone else
        rearranging those molecules anyway we see fit isn’t evil”

        That is a strawman. Nowhere did I say that consciousness or life is meaningless.

        “you need an objective
        standard for that and you dismiss the being capable of providing this.”

        Nope. More in a sec.

        “As it stands your
        definition is no better than anyone else’s and after a vote maybe we’ll agree
        that suffering is just dandy.”

        Trusting consensual reality is nuanced, because there is always the possibility of a world gone crazy, but not taking others’ perspectives into account is a mistake because of the human capacity to make mistakes. A balanced practice of both is warranted, and in the end, we only have our own perception, even of what other people say to us. Suppose your belief in Christianity was all a delusion, and no one else actually believed in it or had even heard of it? Would your belief in Christianity be ethically or morally wrong in that case?

        “you need a standard
        that is above you or else anyone can trump what you say is good/bad.”

        What you are describing is known as honest intellectual inquiry, and is a good thing because it keeps us from getting stuck on damaging, backward ideas.

        “1000 Mayans agreed
        that cutting the hearts out of people and eating them was “good”
        because it eliminated suffering.”

        Wait a second, were these (probably more than 1,000) Mayans atheists? Agnostics? No, they were doing that whole human sacrifice thing to please their gods. Because someone said god said so, which you apparently believe is the highest possible standard of ethics. You are on the same team as those long-dead Mayans.

        “At least they had the
        strength of claiming this standard came from above”

        Appeal to authority is not a sign of strength; it is a logical fallacy, especially when there is insufficient evidence to even believe the supposed authority figure exists. If anything, it’s a sign of weakness.

        “while your standard
        is only based on luke warm Christian ethics”

        Closer to some branches of Buddhism, but whatevs.

        “If the definitions
        are by men then they change, they aren’t eternal, and what’s good today is evil
        tomorrow.”

        Ethics are an ongoing project. I’m sorry if that makes you want a security blanket so bad you’ll believe anything. It is scary, but to me it’s scarier to abandon your perception of reality and open yourself to exploitation by self-serving, likely psychopathic, self-proclaimed holy rollers.

        “For all of history
        though evil has taken on certain characteristics that transcend humanity.”

        Like… perhaps… causing unnecessary suffering? 😉 Oh, right, you’re probably going to say ‘not oppressing the right people’ or something.

        “Societies tend to
        fall in very specific ways repeating the same mistakes and reaping the same
        consequences.”

        Greed, extreme inequality, and military overextension reaping powerlessness and poverty?

        “This implies a
        destabilizing force which we can label evil”

        Wait a second, so are you saying it was evil that ancient Babylon or the Roman Empire lost power?

        “such a force is above
        and beyond us, intelligent, and malevolent.”

        That does not follow at all. Societal collapses are entirely explainable by human failings and random events. We let psychopaths, who love power and seek it out, become our leaders out of some batshit authoritarian respect for social dominance as righteousness. That is the failing of the common people. That and weather, natural disasters, etc., are a far better explanation than some sort of mystical conscious evil. “It must have been a ghost!” “Yeah, or else someone just ate all the cookies. ::eyeroll::”

        “I won’t give you any
        wiggle room on this.”

        Much as you may wish to, you don’t actually control me.

        I am saying that women exploring their sexualities is not wrong; it is a large part of being human. You can do that by yourself or with other people, perhaps with a wide range of other people, depending on your authentic desires. Shunning people or otherwise messing up their lives for something that is not wrong is wrong. Shunning people for no real reason does not become any less wrong because the people you want to shun are women. I notice you’re not freaking out about young men who have sex with a lot of people.

        “and likely during and
        afterwards lets be honest here”

        Not if the couple agrees not to, as I assume most will because they just don’t have the energy. It’s what the ol’ BF and I are up to, as are most of the late-20’s couples I know.

        “you won’t find happiness pursuing this lifestyle.”

        I think I’m actually happier than you, given that you mentioned thinking the world is a horrible place, and I’m lazy and monogamous now. 2010-ish was a great time, though, and I’m glad I did it.

        “In what ways are women like children?”

        Absolute hatred of responsibility…”

        Oh wow, here we go. I thank you for being an open misogynist; people should see who you choose to be.

        By “hatred of responsibility,” do you mean like how women spend money more responsibly, or like how women are more socially responsible in business, or like how women are more engaged with preventive health care, or how women are more responsible drivers than men?

        Untrue. Men are more emotional than women, at least as indicated by somatic response, which could be somatization. Women just express emotions more, which is both more honest and generally better than hiding them in almost all situations except extreme crises. Engagement with emotions drives marginally better emotional empathy in women, and men tend to shut out empathy for troubling emotions and try to “solve the problem,” which is great if it’s a crisis or if the problem is quickly solvable, but it usually isn’t, so doing this usually fails and sends a message of dismissiveness. Also mentioned in that link, both male and female business leaders have high emotional intelligence that are indistinguishable based on sex, as do socially dominant chimps. Also of note, most men would rather administer electric shocks to themselves than engage in quiet contemplation. Most women wouldn’t, indicating a higher degree of emotional avoidance, given that most study participants found that the quiet contemplation brought up unpleasant emotions. Engaging with emotions makes you a better person, and emotional avoidance is linked with all kinds of problems, including developing PTSD, depression, addiction, and somatoform disorders. Also, let’s remember that aggression is an emotion, so really? Women are the emotional ones? Psshhh.

        “low impulse control”

        Nope.

        “the video that Roosh
        posted and tell me how independent and mature”

        Well, she made an expressive, popular piece of art about avoiding emotion through addiction, much like countless other artists have done. Her song will probably help a lot of people stop doing that or do it less.

        You just don’t like her because you are a creepy culture warrior who wishes he had scooped her up and locked her away 5-8 (no more than 8, you swear, right??) years ago because you feel entitled to control women and girls. How independent and mature is that?

        “that thing in it”

        Here we have you dehumanizing a woman for writing a song. Classy.

        “I don’t make the
        rules GOD does.”

        “God’s rules” just happen to almost perfectly match up with your emotional problems, huh?

        “If I don’t condemn or
        I do makes absolutely no difference to the universe”

        I disagree; it’s harmful because it’s abusive, especially because it’s so unfounded.

        “No matter what you think there is an objective standard out
        there that you can’t argue with – even if you walk away from this debate
        thinking YEAH I WON!!! It won’t change reality. Get that through your head
        please.”

        You should repeat yourself some more. It will make you seem more right.

        “you sound like one of
        the girls from Sex and the City”

        Ooh, which one? I’m a total Miranda! With some Carrie-ish tendencies.

        “that fully allows you
        to catalog other human beings based solely on internet posts?”

        I was just letting you know you sound like the freaky deacon. Given how offended you were by a sad, but ultimately harmless music video, it seems like you spend a lot of time in an echo chamber, and might not realize how scary and bananas you sound to a person from mainstream society. You’re welcome.

        What is your definition of whore, anyway? I’m thinking it’s not literally prostitute, because that singer is a singer, not a sex worker. So what is it? Anyone who has sex before marriage? Any woman who has sex before marriage? Any woman who has a one-night stand? Any woman or any one who has sex with more than one person? Or the particular favorite in PUA circles, “a woman who has sex, but not with me”?

        This is important because I am trying to find out what you actually expect of us. Do you expect us to marry as early teens, as in the Dark Ages? Do you expect us to marry as soon as we graduate high school, likely negatively impacting our future careers and potential children’s prospects, as well as crushing our abilities to form identities as adults? Do you expect us to not have sex until we’re like late-20’s/early-30’s at least? (Lol, good luck with that). Do you expect us to be second class citizens, or what?

        “Normal does not equal
        good.”

        Sometimes it does, as in “normal emotional development,” which is what is happening when women are exploring sex and relationships in late adolescence and early and emerging adulthood.

        “Delighting in serial
        sex makes an animal of oneself.”

        Whenever I internet discuss with someone expressing anti-sex, anti-female attitudes like yours, the theme of dehumanization always comes up. Dehumanizing others with disgust or otherwise malicious intent, especially in an attempt to justify controlling others, is the M.O. of bigots.

        Just for fun, try making your argument without your thoroughly ridiculous “because someone I believe in and you don’t said so” appeal to authority argument and without dehumanizing anyone, especially not women.

        “And even our host is
        finding no happiness in banging tons of women.”

        I agree with you there, but I don’t think it’s because of non-monogamy; I think it’s that he often expresses hatred (see above, or almost anything he has written) and behaves in destructive ways that violate the rights of others.

        “Dare I say if I could
        conjure a virginal, sweet, pretty, kind girl out of thin air Roosh would likely
        stay loyal to her for the rest of his life.”

        Horse hockey. Perhaps if she was “a 10,” didn’t age, and didn’t speak or have any sort of needs.

        “That’s what men want”

        Not mine! Or actually any of the guys I’ve dated. Maybe the abusive one, back in the day.

        “none exist now
        because you know – normal now means whore”

        Oh, plenty of spiritually abused, emotionally stunted, real-life-incapable women exist – just check out the Quiverfull movement. Problem is, it’s a cult, and they will be super-dependent on you and expect you to live a similarly, though not as intensely, restricted life. Hope you like constant babies, hitting your babies, ugly clothes, not having fun, and forcing smiles. This subculture is sick.

        “chip on shoulder,
        castrating harpy”

        Where are you getting that?

        “Trolls dump vitriol
        all the time and don’t get violent and this has nothing to do with violence.”

        But sometimes they do.

        “You aren’t on some
        crusade to save women from any real threat”

        True, I’m mainly here to save the men who might be brainwashed by the hate on this blog and board.

        “you want to convince
        them to sleep around”

        No. I want to convince them to do what they want, and to use healthy practices.

        “(likely because
        you’ve done so a lot)”

        Meh. Not really, although I’m thinking you’d define one partner without an expensive ceremony as “OMG PROTECT US FROM THE WHOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRREEEEEEE!1”

        “which *is* a real threat to their mental health and future.”

        The only effect found was on substance abuse, which is easier to control than anxiety or depression. To quote the article, “The nature of casual sex relationships may, however, present a risk factor in and of itself. These relationships may be particularly likely to be impersonal, lacking in the potential to provide emotional fulfillment.”

        Just like not being in a relationship at all.

        The other potential explanation offered was this: “Although women and men are developing similar patterns of sexual behavior and substance use, particularly in this cohort, the effects were stronger for women, as I noted earlier. It appears that the double standard is still alive and well. For women, having multiple sex partners still may go against what they regard as socially acceptable. They cope with their feelings of shame, embarrassment, and perhaps dissatisfaction by turning to the solace of alcohol and drugs, setting them up for the future development of a substance use disorder.”

        So, in other words, this is a self-fulfilling prophesy caused by backward people like you.

        “Women put themselves
        into extremely dangerous situations then demand the world bend over backwards
        to pay the price for them.”

        What are you talking about? Having sex without being owned by someone? Or going outside… or … wtf.

        “If you cared
        about them (you don’t) you would not be promoting what you are promoting. Your
        concern is for yourself not them and I can see that 1000 miles away.”

        Our concerns coincide. Being able to live as full adult human participants in society, not as second-class citizens, is in both of our interests.

        You’re trying to project your self-serving, ultimately amoral bullshit onto me. It won’t work.

      110. Remo December 24, 2014 at 5:52 am

        “All sentient beings.”

        Why? Without a deity or creator you have no moral authority to say that a person is better than an animal and animals make each other suffer all the time. What rational argument can you possible make for nature saying something is okay to do but people can’t that isn’t subject simply to your own opinion?

        Do the best you can. An actual good faith effort. 😉

        This is an intellectually lazy cop out. You say you can’t believe because suffering yet you dodge the question as to what suffering is okay. A shot today may prevent chicken pox or some worse tragedy but since you have no consistent guidelines as to what is okay you don’t know whether to condemn it or not. Maybe the small child you see die would have grown up to be the next Hitler. Is that good or bad assuming GOD allowed the child to die and who is wrong you or him when you pass judgement upon the situation as you have done/

        “Seriously,
        you can’t know the future,”

        Yes and we can stop there. You don’t know it but you pass judgement for GODs actions upon it.

        “That’s what science is for. ”

        A science fetishist – goody. Cool lets bring out eugenics and syphilis studies of black men – paragons of scientific achievement. Why are you such a racist?

        “Perhaps we didn’t know about climate change
        in 1890, but we know a great deal now, so now we are responsible for acting on it.”

        Seriously – you are making it just too easy on me. Global warming has been shown to be a complete fraud and only idiots believe it now. With all the dishonest reporting and the notion that only sending money to Al Gore will save us what did you expect?

        “Suffering
        is one of those rare words, much like “bad” itself, that is
        tautologically defined. You might as well ask, “Why is bad bad?”
        Suffering is bad because it causes pain. That is its freakin’
        definition.”

        Incorrect. Suffering isn’t always bad. People who train hard suffer but maybe they win the Olympics. Women suffer in delivery but would do it again once they see their babies. Suffering isn’t rare by any means – its a freakin’ part of life. All things suffer and you define it as bad solely because by your own judgement you don’t like it. If I *do* like it and I am more powerful than you without something above both of us there is no moral reason why my delight in making you suffer should be be trumped by your indignation at the experience. Nature is things killing other things. You keep only what you can violently defend or steal. You propose that mankind should be different but deny anything outside yourself as a justification. This is false, unworkable, and completely logically inconsistent.

        “That is a strawman. Nowhere did I say that consciousness or life is meaningless.”

        It is most certainly not a strawman. If your only value for life is the value that humans place upon it you set your house on a foundation that is ever shifting. You judge consciousness as meaningful – the lion about to eat you does not. Who is right? In nature it doesn’t matter and without a higher power you have no authority other than your own self to fall back on.

        “Nope. More in a sec.”

        Yes and you’re wrong both here and in a second.

        “Trusting
        consensual reality is nuanced, because there is always the possibility
        of a world gone crazy, but not taking others’ perspectives into account”

        Others perspectives are irrelevant. You are choosing nature and the natural world as supreme. Therefore the law is kill, take what you can, and try to keep it. Consensual reality is the situation where two beings find it less costly to kill so they share… for now. There is nothing holy about others perspectives because you take that holiness away therefore it amazes me that you can so numbly lean back upon it without a shred of irony. You really do live with a head full of all sorts of logical contradictions and inconsistencies.don’t you?

        “is a mistake because of the human capacity to make mistakes. A balanced
        practice of both is warranted, and in the end, we only have our own
        perception, even of what other people say to us. Suppose your belief in
        Christianity was all a delusion, and no one else actually believed in it
        or had even heard of it? Would your belief in Christianity be ethically
        or morally wrong in that case?”

        If Christianity was believed by no one it would contradict the bible and therefore it could be dismissed. If the last jew died tomorrow this would also contradict the bible and thus it would be proven wrong. So far this has not happened without greatly stretching the definitions (although I’m sure you’ll come back with some “concrete proof” where some atheist scientist says this and this in a New York minute).

        “What
        you are describing is known as honest intellectual inquiry, and is a
        good thing because it keeps us from getting stuck on damaging, backward
        ideas.”

        And what is “damaging / backward” pray tell? Anything you don’t agree with? You keep tripping over your own feet on this. Without an objective standard your standard is no better than mine, or Hitlers, or some serial killers. That is the fact of the situation.

        “Wait
        a second, were these (probably more than 1,000) Mayans atheists?
        Agnostics? No, they were doing that whole human sacrifice thing to
        please their gods. Because someone said god said so, which you
        apparently believe is the highest possible standard of ethics. You are
        on the same team as those long-dead Mayans.”

        Stalin was an atheist. So are you. You are therefore responsible for all the people he killed. You are therefore a monster and now that we’ve established what jar to put you in you are disqualified from speaking the truth. If you say 2 + 2 = 4 it’s wrong because atheist. Therefore I don’t have to listen to your points and I can just label you immoral and walk around feeling morally smug. Fun game huh? And your point is that Mayan god(S) = Christian GOD right? I don’t seem to remember Quetzalcoatl attending my local church.

        “Appeal to authority is not a sign of strength; it is a logical fallacy,”

        False. We are talking about the words of the creator, your creator, whether you believe it or not. But lets try it your way… You bow and scrape before police and government all the time so you are therefore weak and spineless because authority..

        “Ethics
        are an ongoing project.”

        They are most certainly not. People haven’t changed. Yes you’re arrogant because you have an iPhone and the cave men didn’t but that doesn’t make you better. People haven’t changed and therefore morality (if it exists) also hasn’t changed. If it can change then it isn’t morality as what is evil today can be declared good tomorrow. That’s not a security blanket its reality which you deny but that doesn’t make it true.

        “Like…
        perhaps… causing unnecessary suffering? 😉 ”

        Since you admit you can’t know the future you therefore can’t state that its unnecessary. Your contradictions have contradictions.

        “Greed, extreme inequality, and military overextension reaping powerlessness and poverty?”

        Are you absolutely blind? You throw around words like “greed” but can’t tell me with any historical consistency what that means because the goal posts are always changing.

        “Wait a second, so are you saying it was evil that ancient Babylon or the Roman Empire lost power?”

        I’m saying that when societies embrace evil they fall, yes.

        “That
        does not follow at all. Societal collapses are entirely explainable by
        human failings and random events.”

        You mean human failings like embracing evil? Yes I agree.

        “Much as you may wish to, you don’t actually control me.”

        That would give me as much pleasure as dominating a rock. Whoohooo… If you want it spelled out that means I am not going to call the stuff currently flowing out you truth simply because you say it is. If it smells like sh*t, looks like sh*t, and attracts flies we can assume its sh*t.

        “I am saying that women exploring their sexualities is not wrong; ”

        And I am saying that sadists exploring their perversions by ripping apart people using all manner of devices is just fine. Since there is no objective standard here all is good. But okay lets put the lie to your asinine statement scientifically shall we?

        Here is nice scientific study showing the sluts (what you advocate making all women) have a much higher change of divorce. http://socialpathology.blogspot.com.au/2010/09/sexual-partner-divorce-risk.html
        Since divorce is a huge cause of suffering you are therefore advocating it and therefore are evil by your own definition. Add another logical contradiction to your senseless view of the world.

        “it is a
        large part of being human. You can do that by yourself or with other
        people, perhaps with a wide range of other people, depending on your
        authentic desires. Shunning people or otherwise messing up their lives
        for something that is not wrong is wrong. Shunning people for no
        real reason does not become any less wrong because the people you want
        to shun are women. I notice you’re not freaking out about young men who
        have sex with a lot of people.”

        Blah blah blah “I am slut – deep down I know it but I don’t want to feel bad about it therefore you are bad for pointing it out and this is evil because feel bad.”

        “I
        think I’m actually happier than you, given that you mentioned thinking
        the world is a horrible place,”

        No one who yearns for heaven is truly happy in this world so touche. You love the world and you are of it and you’ll suffer with it. Congrats.

        “Oh wow, here we go. I thank you for being an open misogynist; people should see who you choose to be.”

        LABEL! DISQUALIFY! IF HE SAYS 2 + 2 = 4 HE’S WRONG BECAUSE MISOGYNIST! EVIL! I’m so tolerant of others that I will BURN ALIVE anyone who I disagree with because feelbad!

        “By “hatred of responsibility,” do you mean like how women spend money more responsibly,”

        They don’t. Who buys 1000 of shoes, unnecessary cosmetics, fancy purses, etc. You are not only blind you’re just plain delusional. Have you even ever been to a shopping mall? 10,000 ladies apparel places anyone?

        “or like how women are more socially responsible in business, ”

        They aren’t. They backstab and office politics and waste company resources pursuing fuzzy b.s. things like discrimination rather than product and money. Women are bad for most companies in any position of authority.

        “or like how women are more engaged with preventive health care,”

        They aren’t – they use more of it which is like saying someone who eats more is more responsible about food.

        “or how women are more responsible drivers than men?”

        They have fewer accidents but that means there are differences between the sexes and we can’t point those out because equality. Oh wait – rules – I must remember rules. Anything a woman does BETTER than a man is too be paraded around while anything a woman can’t do AS WELL even if the science proves it shall be ignored under penalty of lawsuit because feel bad.

        “Untrue. Men are more emotional than women,”

        Horse shit. Women cry more, emote more, and have less control and loudly tell you so at “that time of the month”. They demand unequal treatment, special rights and privileges, and use tears and manipulation to get them. That is reality cupcake.

        “Women just express emotions more, ”

        And control them less.

        “which is both more honest”

        Incorrect. Emotions simply are. They are not honest or deceitful. Feeling something doesn’t make a person more honest about a particular fact unless the fact being discussed is how do you feel.

        “Engagement
        with emotions drives marginally better emotional empathy in women, and
        men tend to shut out empathy for troubling emotions and try to “solve
        the problem,”

        Which is great if you want the sewage system to work, the lights to turn on, the heat to work in the winter, or the car to start. Stupid men. Wouldn’t we be much better off living in feminist sod huts discussing our feelings until we starved to death.

        More misandry here so I will go ahead and disqualify your opinion because feel bad.

        “low impulse control”

        Nope. Yes.

        “Well, she made an expressive, popular piece of art about avoiding emotion through addiction, much like countless other artists have done. Her song will probably help a lot of people stop doing that or do it less.”

        She whored it up then went crying about it to the world. And rather than learn the lesson that whoring it up doesn’t make her feel better she labels it “art” and keeps doing it. Truly her intellect is astounding.

        “You
        just don’t like her because you are a creepy culture warrior who wishes. ”

        And you just don’t like boys because boys have cooties and are all icky poo and (and insert more childish stupid ranting psychobable stupid nonsense here in a failed attempt to draw attention away from the fact that she (and likely you) are both miserable sluts)

        “Here we have you dehumanizing a woman for writing a song. Classy.”

        She’s busy dehumanizing herself throughout the video. The fact that I observe this and said aloud what she’s doing makes me honest not anything negative. If you think calling a whore a princess makes your morally superior have it but a lie is a lie no matter how you label it.

        “God’s rules” just happen to almost perfectly match up with your emotional problems, huh?

        Time for your medicine. Perhaps you can defend another great historical science experiment on black men to prove what a racist you are.

        “I disagree; it’s harmful because it’s abusive, especially because it’s so unfounded.”

        The world and I owe you nothing. If you get offended by words that’s on you. I don’t and will not care. Read something else.

        “Ooh,
        which one? ”

        The stupid one.

        “I’m a total Miranda! With some Carrie-ish tendencies. (Also,
        you realize they were all over 30 for the entire duration of the
        series, and it’s infantilizing to refer to them as “girls,” right?)”

        Oh dear! It appears I have caused offense by calling a whore a girl! How awful! Bring the pitchforks! Okay I apologize for calling the skanks in the series “girls” the proper term should be “filthy disgusting tramps” or “disease ladden hard ridden whores”. Okay? We good with terms now? 😀

        “I
        was just letting you know you sound like the freaky deacon. ”

        Great! So now you know what I sound like too? You’re good! What’s my voice? Too much bass or too little?

        “Given how
        offended you were by a sad, but ultimately harmless music video, ”

        Actually you were the one who just took offense. The girl in the vid is a whore. I’m not offended by that – I sure as hell don’t want her. She’s off to a life of misery by her own choice. I simply said that this was/is stupid. You got offended and disagreed because fee bad.

        “it
        seems like you spend a lot of time in an echo chamber, and might not
        realize how scary and bananas you sound to a person from mainstream
        society. You’re welcome.”

        Oh are we doing the “mainstream” attack now? I love that one. “Remember children you are only allowed to have thoughts that correspond to what ‘proper’ people believe and we’ll tell you what those beliefs are. Anything outside of this is not ‘mainstream’ and therefore evil and you should shun it. But remember we all agree that churches are bad for shutting down free speech they disagreed with but when we do it its awesome because ‘mainstream’ Right or wrong is measured by what people in the media, government, and fashion magazines tell you it is.”

        “What is your definition of whore,
        anyway? ”

        Look in the mirror! 😀 Seriously though read the bible.for the definition. That’s *the* definition. Its a state of being, a fact, not something to be debated. It’s sunny means it’s sunny not your opinion of sunlight.

        “This is important because I am trying
        to find out what you actually expect of us.”

        I expect nothing of you and I haven’t been disappointed so far. 😀 I don’t care if you whore it up – have at. I’ll never meet you but if you do it you’ll eventually pay for the consequences which you deny exist. I gave you a warning. You choose to ignore it – okay – but now you want to argue that it isn’t dangerous and reality isn’t going to bite you in the ass. Okay – believe what you want. You’re wrong and you’ll find this out eventually.

      111. chiiill December 24, 2014 at 12:29 pm

        Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can’t draw my own conclusions based on everything I am and have ever experienced. I need a “because a dominating motherfucker said so” argument. Right.

        “You say you can’t
        believe because suffering yet you dodge the question as to what suffering is
        okay.”

        You are asking me to define all scenarios, which is completely unreasonable for an internet comment. ‘On a case by case basis’ is the general answer. That’s ok, ya goalpost mover.

        “God told me it’s fine,” is the ultimate cop out, by the way. It’s essentially like saying, “Because. The end.”

        “Maybe the small child
        you see die would have grown up to be the next Hitler.”

        Maybe. Wow, you have control issues.

        “A science fetishist”

        Better than a nothing fetishist.

        “Cool lets bring out
        eugenics and syphilis studies of black men – paragons of scientific
        achievement. Why are you such a racist?”

        Lol, you’re not just anti-science; you’re anti-science in ways that don’t even make sense. That is so fucking wacky. Say what you just said to the scientist who cured some kid’s cancer; I dare ya.

        “Global warming has
        been shown to be a complete fraud and only idiots believe it now.”

        You’re not making religious people look very good.

        “People who train hard
        suffer but maybe they win the Olympics.”

        Right. That’s net pleasure, not net suffering.

        “If I *do* like it and
        I am more powerful than you without something above both of us there is no moral reason why my delight in making you suffer should be be trumped by your
        indignation at the experience.”

        There is a moral reason: that consent is necessary for ethical adult human interactions. (I wouldn’t recommend railing against consent; it will make you sound like a rapist.)

        “Nature is things
        killing other things.”

        No growth?

        “You keep only what
        you can violently defend or steal.”

        Or what you can defend through social affiliation and structures.

        The inside of your head seems like a scary place.

        “You propose that
        mankind should be different but deny anything outside yourself as a
        justification.”

        I know. They’re my beliefs. I don’t need the childish cop out, “Daddy said so!” argument.

        “This is false, unworkable, and completely logically
        inconsistent.”

        Any reason for that, or is it just that, “Daddy said so!”?

        “If your only value
        for life is the value that humans place upon it you set your house on a foundation that is ever shifting.”

        So? I’m mature enough to handle uncertainty. What age are you, by the way? I’m interested.

        “You judge
        consciousness as meaningful – the lion about to eat you does not.”

        Right. But I’m me.

        “Who is right?”

        Obviously I think I’m right, or I wouldn’t have these opinions. This is another tautology.

        “no authority”

        I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but I don’t put much stock in arbitrary authority. It’s pretty much meaningless to me, except in situations where I could potentially be punished. Segregation was authority just 60 years ago. Authority has no moral standard in and of itself.

        “Yes and you’re wrong both here and in a second.”

        Kyoot!

        “Others perspectives
        are irrelevant.”

        But then how do you know about your precious outside authoritah?

        “You are choosing
        nature and the natural world as supreme.”

        Am I? In what way? “God vs. nature” is a false dichotomy.

        “Consensual reality is
        the situation where two beings find it less costly to kill so they share… for
        now.”

        So, to clarify, when I said conventional reality, I meant situations where you ask other humans what they think and consider what a majority of them say. “Did you see that?” “No.” “No.” “No.” “No.” “No.” “Oh, shit! Am I hallucinating?”

        “There is nothing holy
        about others perspectives”

        So? Why would you expect me to value “holiness”? Is empathy hard for you?

        “You really do live
        with a head full of all sorts of logical contradictions and
        inconsistencies.don’t you?”

        You haven’t explained what they are. “There is nothing holy
        about others perspectives because you take that holiness away therefore it
        amazes me that you can so numbly lean back upon it without a shred of irony,” makes no sense. ‘Back upon’ what? What are you even talking about? Also, some attention to grammar would make you more understandable and wouldn’t kill you. Also, lol.

        “If Christianity was
        believed by no one it would contradict the bible and therefore it could be
        dismissed.”

        I asked you if delusionally believing in Christianity would be unethical. You’re avoiding the question.

        “And what is
        “damaging / backward” pray tell?”

        It usually has to be with being dehumanizing and devaluing, but I’m not writing a book here. I can’t possibly delineate all of the damaging and backward things in the bible. That would be almost as long as the bible.

        “Without an objective
        standard your standard is no better than mine, or Hitlers, or some serial
        killers.”

        You just compared yourself to Hitler and serial killers on the basis that you’re all human. Your worldview is mad misanthropic.

        “Stalin was an
        atheist. So are you.”

        Actually, I’m an agnostic pantheistic deist, but thanks for paying attention.

        “You are therefore
        responsible for all the people he killed.”

        I do it for the lulz.

        “If you say 2 + 2 = 4
        it’s wrong because atheist.”

        This so perfectly typifies your point of view. Print it out and frame it. Command your silent wife to cross stitch it for you.

        “And your point is
        that Mayan god(S) = Christian GOD right?”

        No, but followers of both used the, “Because god said so, that’s why, no other justification necessary,” argument.

        “You bow and scrape
        before police and government all the time so you are therefore weak and
        spineless because authority”

        I obey when I think it makes sense, to make life work or avoid punishment. That’s not respect for authority; it’s self-preservation and respect for community.

        “People haven’t
        changed.”

        So if you had a time machine, you would deal with Cro-Magnon man the same way you would in swingin’ sixties London?

        “iPhone”

        I’m an Android person, and I don’t understand why the manosphere hates women with phones. Don’t want us to be able to dial 911, or what? Jealous of our smaller-fingered texting skills?

        “People haven’t changed and therefore morality (if it exists) also hasn’t changed. If it can change then it isn’t morality as what is evil today can be declared good tomorrow. That’s not a security blanket its reality which you deny but that doesn’t make it true.”

        This is the inside of your head. Seriously, re-read what you wrote. It makes no sense. #DoesNotFollow

        “therefore can’t state that its unnecessary.”

        You can make an educated guess, like the educated guess that the sun will come up tomorrow, or that Nickleback won’t make it in to the musical hall of fame.

        “You throw around words like “greed” but can’t tell me with any historical consistency what that means”

        It’s a concept. I can’t define every application of greed; that’s ridiculous. That’s a moving goal post. Can you define every application of “moral” (what smart people call ethical)?

        “when societies embrace evil they fall, yes.”

        So are you saying it is “evil” that we aren’t living in ancient Babylonian society? Or is it just a natural progression?

        “dominating a rock.”

        More dehumanization. #Bigot

        “And I am saying that sadists exploring their perversions by ripping apart people using all manner of devices is just fine.”

        Clearly you are a paragon of “morals.”

        “Here is nice scientific study showing the sluts (what you advocate making all women) have a much higher change of divorce. http://socialpathology.blogspo… Since divorce is a huge cause of suffering you are therefore advocating it and therefore are evil by your own definition.”

        You know who’s also more likely to divorce? Women who are not white or college-educated. Is not being white or not having the chance to go to college “evil”?

        “Blah blah blah”

        When you’re watching a movie, do you fast-forward through the parts when female characters are talking? No, you don’t hate women at all. 😉

        “”I am slut – deep down I know it”

        “Slut” is a meaningless word. The first time I was called a “slut,” I was seven and it was because I grew “boobies.” It’s much like “faggot” in that it can mean whatever the bigot using it wants it to mean. True, I have little faith that I can control whether or not contemptuous idiots will call me a slut.

        “You love the world and you are of it and you’ll suffer with it.”

        I do plan on showing up to life, yes.

        “I’m so tolerant of others that I will BURN ALIVE anyone who I
        disagree with because feelbad!”

        Disagreeing with you and exposing how shitty you’re being is not the same as burning you alive. Come on. That sentence almost completely disqualifies any credibility you might have had about logical arguments.

        “Who buys 1000 of shoes, unnecessary cosmetics, fancy purses, etc.”

        Women and girls obsessed with pleasing men and boys and being socially dominant, aka non-feminists and people who have respect for arbitrary authoritah. Not women like me, and not a majority of women, which the studies I posted in the previous comment you were responding to showed.

        “”or like how women are more socially responsible in business, ”

        They aren’t. They backstab and office politics and waste company resources pursuing fuzzy b.s. things like discrimination rather than product and money. Women are bad for most companies in any position of authority.”

        You didn’t address the article. Here’s more evidence for you to blatantly ignore in favor of vicious, untrue stereotypes: <a href="http://www.apa.org/research/action/boss.aspxWomen and men are equally effective managers, unless the setting is rigidly hierarchical. #Bigot

        “”or like how women are more engaged with preventive health care,”

        They aren’t”

        No, men avoid the doctor and die of preventable illnesses more because they are insecure and lazy.

        “They have fewer accidents but that means there are differences between the sexes and we can’t point those out because equality.”

        They also have fewer DUI’s, which is directly tied to being responsible and ethical.

        Plenty of studies point out things men do better. Here’s one, for example. Thing is, because of the history of the world, you obviously need to be more careful about bias because there is a pro-male bias out there in ways that matter. 1. 2.

        “”Untrue. Men are more emotional than women,”

        Horse shit.”

        You realize that was a link to a study, right?

        “Women cry more, emote more”

        This is a good thing. Men are oppressed in that society expects them to be dead inside or silent about their emotions. Emotions are helpful for survival.

        “have less control” (from context, it seems like you were talking about control over emotions, rather than social dominance or some other kind of control).

        You’re just repeating bigoted stereotypes again. In my previous comment, I linked you to a badass meta-analysis that shows women have better impulse control. Read it.

        “cupcake.”

        More dehumanization. #Bigot

        “”Women just express emotions more, ”

        And control them less.”

        Hiding emotions is usually not a useful ability. So?

        “”which is both more honest”

        Incorrect. Emotions simply are. They are not honest or deceitful.”

        Deceitful, eh? What I actually said was, “Women just express emotions more, which is both more honest…”

        Expressing emotions, not feeling more emotions than average, is what is more honest. Stop lying and/or learn to read.

        “Which is great if you want the sewage system to work, the lights to turn on, the heat to work in the winter, or the car to start. Stupid men. Wouldn’t we be much better off living in feminist sod huts discussing our feelings until we starved to death.”

        Another fail on your part. Emotional intelligence makes you less likely to quit, which helps people be productive.

        “More misandry here”

        Neuroscience that lauds both male and female neurological skills is misandry? I didn’t know that. Huh.

        “Nope. Yes.”

        Did you seriously just respond to a peer-reviewed meta-analysis by saying, “Yuh-huh!”? You’re hilarious. And you have excellent writing skills for a four-year-old.

        “She whored it up then went crying about it to the world.”

        First of all, how do you even know the song is about her? Artists create art based on imagined perspectives all the time. Secondly, she is a successful musician and you’re not.

        “And you just don’t like boys because boys have cooties and are all icky poo”

        I actually really like men, which is part of why I commented on this board in an attempt to convince them not to devalue their own sexuality as toxic and hold themselves to rock-bottom standards. You’re wonderful, guys. You don’t have to hate yourselves, and subsequently other people.

        “She’s busy dehumanizing herself throughout the video.”

        She’s doing it for art; you’re doing it in real life, and with malice and an assumption of entitlement to control. She also has self-determination and has more right to decide to dehumanize herself than you do to impose it on her.

        “a princess”

        Princesses are not positive. Historically, most of them were upper-class sex slaves. Not something to aspire to be.

        “Time for your medicine.”

        Now you’re being a bigot toward people who have mental illnesses. Swell.

        “”God’s rules” just happen to almost perfectly match up with your emotional problems, huh?

        Time for your medicine. Perhaps you can defend another great historical science experiment on black men to prove what a racist you are.”

        Your response also makes no sense. You are fucking unhinged.

        “The world and I owe you nothing.”

        Technically true, but if we’re not shitty we can create a society that supports people.

        “If you get offended by words that’s on you.”

        Right, you have no responsibility for what you say.

        “The stupid one.”

        I am obviously not a Charlotte; I don’t have antiquated notions about gender roles or sexuality. (Charlotte is the stupid one, and also the most prudish.)

        “Okay I apologize for calling the skanks in the series “girls” the proper term should be “filthy disgusting tramps” or “disease ladden hard ridden whores”. Okay? We good with terms now? :D”

        You’re literally gleefully incapable of referring to adult female characters as women. More dehumanization. #Bigot

        “What’s my voice? Too much bass or too little?

        Not your voice, the things you were saying. Learn. To. Read. (If you actually have dyslexia and are not just lazy and disrespectful, I apologize.)

        “Actually you were the one who just took offense.”

        If you don’t find whores offensive, why do you rail against their existence? Why not be hunky dory with full-blown actual sex workers?

        “”mainstream” attack”

        Fair enough. Being deviant isn’t necessarily bad. It can be, though.

        “Seriously though read the bible.for the definition.”

        I don’t have one of those, so I googled since you are too lazy to do so or explain it. Came up with this: “A woman regularly guilty of adultery or fornication, especially for money. In early biblical times selling daughters into prostitution was not uncommon. It is reprobated in the Old Testament (Leviticus 19:29). Genesis makes it clear that capital punishment was the penalty for whoredom (Genesis 38:24-25).”

        So you seriously do define it as any woman who has sex before marriage. #Dinosaur

        “It’s sunny means it’s sunny not your opinion of sunlight.”

        “Sunny” means very different things in Fez and Seattle. “Whore” is a word that’s used to mean anything. I’ve been called a whore for refusing to sleep with people. Hundreds of times.

        “I don’t care if you whore it up – have at. I’ll never meet you but if you do it you’ll eventually pay for the consequences which you deny exist. I gave you a warning.”

        If you don’t care, why warn? Why dehumanize? Why would you bother?

        You still haven’t given a reasonable expectation of how an adult woman living today can escape being your weirdo definition of “whore” without causing significant harm to herself and life. The fact that you want women to suffer harm makes you a misogynist.

        Alright, I gotta drop the mic on this one. Merry Christmas. Have fun doing what you’re told at church.

      112. Remo December 27, 2014 at 3:37 am

        “Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can’t draw my own conclusions based on everything I am and have ever experienced. I need a “because a dominating motherfucker said so” argument. Right.”

        Damn straight cupcake. Your 30 years on Earth don’t trump the lives and experiences of thousands of years or an omnipotent deity – how arrogant are you exactly? You want to believe you’ve got it all figured out because your just full of new millenial wonderfulness that all the ancient questions are child’s play for you? I ain’t buying that and anyone who does is an idiot.

        “You are asking me to define all scenarios, which is completely unreasonable for an internet comment. ‘On a case by case basis’ is the general answer. That’s ok, ya goalpost mover.”

        I’m saying you can’t judge on a case by case basis because you don’t nor can you have all the information and moreover you own prejudices select against this meaning that while you may judge one form of suffering bad another may consider it good and therefore without some external force – both of you are right – or wrong. What you are justifying boils down too “I don’t like it therefore its wrong”.

        “Maybe. Wow, you have control issues.”

        I have issues? You who believe your judgment on … well everything … trumps everyone else’s because you say so? Hey at least I believe there is a force better than us – you are stuck with your own self for eternity. Too bad for you.

        “Better than a nothing fetishist.”

        Disagree. And you still haven’t explained your latent racism surrounding your statements. You know where you defend the syphilis experiments on black men by unquestioningly supporting those that did it? Science is GOD so I guess those guys are your priests right? #Racism

        “Lol, you’re not just anti-science; you’re anti-science in ways that don’t even make sense. That is so fucking wacky. Say what you just said to the scientist who cured some kid’s cancer; I dare ya.”

        Now now lets address your racism here… you just made a defense of the guys in white coats injecting syphilis into black men and eugenics in general. Why do you hate black people so much? #Racism

        “You’re not making religious people look very good.”

        Nor are you making atheists look any better.

        “Right. That’s net pleasure, not net suffering.”

        Judged by who? And since you may not realize what the suffering is for might you judge it incorrectly? Are you that convinced of your own omnipotence that you believe you can correctly judge what is or is not suffering based on your limited cognition and senses the same cognition that just allowed you to defend #Racist doctors experimenting on black people?

        “There is a moral reason: that consent is necessary for ethical adult human interactions. (I wouldn’t recommend railing against consent; it will make you sound like a rapist.)”

        Ethics only exist where there are morals to back them up but as I have shown people do not agree on what is moral therefore people do not agree on what is ethical. If there is no scale outside of people to turn too than my ethics which may be diametrically opposed to your ethics are no more evil or good than yours even if yours or mine insist on violent coercion to achieve compliance.

        “No growth?”

        Growth comes out of predation. Other than blue-green algae what survives on Earth without eating something else living?

        “Or what you can defend through social affiliation and structures.”

        We’re talking about nature. There is social affiliation and structure in a lion killing an antelope. You can anthropomorphize cuddly animals all you want but they (and everything else) kill to survive. Without a GOD to make us something more that is the law you ultimately rest your values on.

        “The inside of your head seems like a scary place.”

        Thought can be dangerous but also rewarding! You should try it sometime!

        “I know. They’re my beliefs.”

        Which are no better than my beliefs, or Muhammad’s beliefs as he cuts off your head for being an infidel, or Stalin’s beliefs as he eliminates useless eaters, or your own beliefs as your racism allows for scientific experiments on black people without their consent? #Racism

        “I don’t need the childish cop out, “Daddy said so!” argument.”

        You’ve replacing a sound argument with “CAUSE I WANNA THAT’S WHY!” which is even more ridiculous. Your values (including your #Racist ones) are not superior to anything in the bible.

        “Any reason for that, or is it just that, “Daddy said so!”?”

        The short version: your values are not superior to someone else’s if you believe values only come from people. Follow me so far? Good if values only come from people than any person with any value system (including your beloved racist doctors who you defend who experimented on black men) are no worse or better than you. #Racist

        “So? I’m mature enough to handle uncertainty. What age are you, by the way? I’m interested.”

        Okay get this through your head – YOU cupcake are NOT the arbiter or right and wrong in the universe understood? You don’t have that power. Yes you can say “This is right and this is wrong” but you are not the ultimate judge and only supreme arrogance on your part dictates otherwise.

        “Right. But I’m me.”

        So? You’re nothing special.

        “Obviously I think I’m right, or I wouldn’t have these opinions. This is another tautology.”

        It’s also incorrect and ultimately irrelevant. You’re not right and can’t be as you are not the creator of the universe. If you made the world we’re standing on I’d listen to your authority – until you do STFU as you are just blowing smoke.

        “I don’t know if you’ve noticed,”

        I have I just think your both stupid and wrong

        “but I don’ t put much stock in arbitrary authority.”

        It’s not arbitrary you just believe it is. You can believe what you want and you can also be wrong. You’ve forgotten the second half of this.

        “It’s pretty much meaningless to me, except in situations where I could potentially be punished.”

        Violence and coercion makes right huh? Figures considering your racist attitudes and defense of doctors giving diseases to black men. #Racist

        “Segregation was authority just 60 years ago. Authority has no moral standard in and of itself.”

        So you are now saying that you support the racist view that giving syphilis to black men is fine for science but segregation is bad? Why is this? You want to spread the diseases you support giving black people to others as well? My you are an interesting case. #Racist #Segregation

        “Am I? In what way? “God vs. nature” is a false dichotomy.”

        Nope – different sets of rules. Animals don’t have a rule set and don’t live by one save for kill to survive and take what you can. Humans are too live with a moral rule set which most don’t do. Your fleeting feelings of guilt at supporting the racist notion of giving syphilis to blacks is the result of GOD putting these rules (that you choose to ignore) into your head. Animals (nature if you prefer) doesn’t have this. #Racist

        “So? Why would you expect me to value “holiness”? Is empathy hard for you?”

        I expect you to value nothing – you are of the mistaken belief that your own perception is holy – it is not – but you continue to hold it up as if it is the ultimate arbiter of right and wrong. I guess that’s how you can embrace such racist attitudes towards black men and women. #Racist

        “You haven’t explained what they are. ”

        In intricate detail I have.

        “There is nothing holy
        about others perspectives because you take that holiness away therefore it
        amazes me that you can so numbly lean back upon it without a shred of irony,” makes no sense. ‘Back upon’ what?

        Your own understanding – as if this was flawless and everyone else is wrong.

        “What are you even talking about?”

        Nothing you would understand apparently.

        “Also, some attention to grammar would make you more understandable and wouldn’t kill you. Also, lol.”

        Whenever I encounter a grammar Nazi I just say They’re, Their, There….

        “I asked you if delusionally be lieving in Christianity would be unethical. You’re avoiding the question.”

        Since Christianity exists and is a fact your question is meaningless. It is akin to saying if delusionally believing in the month of March is unethical. Whether or not you like it exists therefore postulating its lack of existence and basing ethical questions on this is a non-starter. I can’t tell you whether or not it would be ethical to believe in something GOD has ordained if it wasn’t ordained in the first place. There would be nothing to judge.

        “It usually has to be with being dehumanizing and devaluing, but I’m not writing a book here.”

        Like your hatred of black people and racism? And yes I think you are writing a LONG novel… #Racist

        “I can’t possibly delineate all of the damaging and backward things in the bible.”

        You can try but you’d be wrong. You’d be judging the standards of a being greater than yourself with the standards rolling around in your own head. Much like a strand of bacteria looking back up through the microscope of a doctor.

        “That would be almost as long as the bible.”

        A guaranteed best seller I’m sure considering all the logical contradictions you embrace and your starting premise that you are in fact GOD and can judge right from wrong trumping all others because your experiences.

        “You just compared yourself to Hitler and serial killers on the basis that you’re all human. Your worldview is mad misanthropic.”

        Hey I’ve never injected anyone with syphilis or defended the racist doctors who did it. You’ve got me beat in the racism department so moral authority for you is looking a little thin. #Racism

        “Actually, I’m an agnostic pantheistic deist, but thanks for paying attention.”

        A racist who believes in eugenics apparently. #Racist

        “I do it for the lulz.”

        Explain it to the black men you victimize with your hate and racism. #Hate

        “This so perfectly typifies your point of view. Print it out and frame it. Command your silent wife to cross stitch it for you.”

        Maybe we can hang it next to a vial or two from your racist experiments you support? #Racist

        “I obey when I think it makes sense, to make life work or avoid punishment. That’s not respect for authority; it’s self-preservation and respect for community.”

        You bow and scrape because they have big guns and will kill you not because of any ethics. That’s the law of nature – absolute tyranny. Such a pleasant world you choose to love. Oh well at least your beloved experiments on blacks can continue unabated. #Blacks

        “So if you had a time mac hine, you would deal with Cro-Magnon man the same way you would in swingin’ sixties London?”

        No of course I would strut like I was GOD himself and believe myself superior because you know… I have an iPhone. In fact that’s true right up until about the year 2000 right? (Pssst! I’m mocking you – you don’t seem to realize that I was doing that so let me spell it out).

        “I’m an Android person,”

        Hello Commander Data – you don’t know a thing about morality or ethics. Did your creator program you to be racist? #Racist

        “This is the inside of your head. Seriously, re-read what you wrote. It makes no sense.”

        If absolute truth can change there is no truth. Is that simple enough for you? If murder (or racist experimenting on blacks ) is okay in your book then that proves that your ethics suck and closely align to the #KKK #Racist #Racism

        “You can make an educated guess, like the educated guess that the sun will come up tomorrow, or that Nickleback won’t make it in to the musical hall of fame.”

        Or that running racist experiments on blacks is wrong (oh wait you support those). #Racism

        “So are you saying it is “evil” that we aren’t living in ancient Babylonian society? Or is it just a natural progression?”

        No I am saying that when societies embrace evil no matter where or when they are they crumble and fall. Your support of #racist experiments on black people is evil and is one of the things historians will note when they debate the fall of America in the future. They will wonder how anyone like you could have ever defended such #atrocities

        “More dehumanization. #Bigot ”

        And racist experiments on blacks which you support isn’t?!? #Racist

        “You know who’s also more likely to divorce? Women who are not white or college-educated. Is not being white or not having the chance to go to col lege “evil”?”

        Here we see that you ignore scientific studies whose results you don’t like. My goodness its as if your value system is based on simple stimulus – emotion – response rather than on anything coherent. What a surprise. A racist science fetishist who dismisses science when it’s convenient because feelbad. Such a pillar of intellectual thought you are! #Racist

        “Slut” is a meaningless word.

        Slut: sleeping with men you aren’t married too. The act of fornication on the part of the female before marriage. There now you have a definition.

        “The first time I was called a “slut,” I was seven and it was because I grew “boobies.” It’s much like “faggot” in that it can mean whatever the bigot using it wants it to mean. True, I have little faith that I can control whether or not contemptuous idiots will call me a slut.”

        So the fact that a seven year old used the word incorrectly means the word has no meaning? If I call you a frog that means that frogs no longer exist and therefore cannot be identified as such?

        “I do plan on showing up to life, yes.”

        The curtain closes on it eventually. Your time is short.

        “Disagreeing with you and exposing how shitty you’re being is not the same as burning you alive. Come on. That sentence almost completely disqualifies any credibility you might have had about logical arguments.”

        You don’t seem to grasp mockery. Apparently your opinion of yourself is so high that you believe everything that tumbles out of your mouth is some sort of manna from heaven that absolutely cannot be flawed in anyway. I guess that is why you believe so strongly in the #Racist view that experimenting on black men was just fine. It is a sad commentary on your personality but sadly – you are hardly the only one.

        “Women and girls obsessed with pleasing men and boys and being socially dominant,”

        Yeah yeah yeah everything some woman does is a man’s fault somewhere. By that measure you have no moral authority and no agency so this debate is pointless. You should snap too and accept whatever value system the last guy to bend you over the sink had to offer. Is that why you’re such a racist? Because the guy you jumped into bed with was also a racist? #Racist

        “You didn’t address the article.”

        You didn’t address the scientific study I showed you except to dismiss it because you didn’t like it. You also haven’t addressed your #Racist attitude that defends the scientific experiments conducted on black males. #Blacks

        “No, men avoid the doctor and die of preventable illnesses more because they are insecure and lazy.”

        Or they die because they are injected with syphilis, a racist position you fully support. #Racist

        “They also have fewer DUI’s, which is directly tied to being responsible and ethical.”

        You can’t define ethics beyond what the government says is bad – got it. You need a big strong man to point at you say “this is bad” and then you can say all is well. Guns make right to you I suppose. Good to know you aren’t just a racist you are also a totalitarian. #Racist

        “You realize that was a link to a study, right?”

        I chose to ignore it because like you: feelbad. You see I claim the right to ignore any study you throw at me *until* you acknowledge both your racism and the fact that I gave you a study showing women with multiple partners are more likely to get divorced. You haven’t addressed either. #Racism

        “More dehumanization. #Bigot ”

        More racism. #Racist

        “Another fail on your part. Emotional intelligence makes you less likely to quit, which helps people be productive.”

        Yes those sod huts will be warm comforting places if you ignore the flies, dysentery, hunger, and disease. No wonder you want to torture black men – you want everyone to #Suffer #Racist

        “Did you seriously just respond to a peer-reviewed meta-analysis by saying, “Yuh-huh!”? You’re hilarious. And you have excellent writing skills for a four-year-old.”

        Did you do the same thing with the study I offered? Look in a mirror cupcake! (sound of breaking glass)

        “First of all, how do you even know the song is about her?”

        She put herself and starred in it. Women can’t stop talking about themselves it’s what they do – see social media and who makes the most use of it.

        “Artists create art based on imagined perspectives all the time. Secondly, she is a successful musician and you’re not.”

        So you’re saying I need to write a successful song before I can point out anything about the author? I guess film critics all need to quit because unless and until they all produce and direct a movie they aren’t allowed to criticize it?

        “I actually really like men,”

        Several and in doubtless many many positions. Yes we have established this. Except black men. Why do you hate black men and want to see them experimented on? #Racist

        “which is part of why I commented on this board in an attempt to convince them not to dev alue their own sexuality as toxic and hold themselves to rock-bottom standards. You’re wonderful, guys. You don’t have to hate yourselves, and subsequently other people.”

        Oh please you do it for attention seeking. It’s the little girl screaming MOMMY DADDY LOOK AT ME!!!!

        “She’s doing it for art;”

        She’s still doing it.

        “you’re doing it in real life, and with malice and an assumption of entitlement to control.”

        This statement assumes that I am wrong which according to your standards I am. Since I don’t agree with your standards and you have no higher standard then mine is just as valid as yours and therefore you condemnation is like saying vanilla is better than chocolate. Which you obviously believe given your racist hatred of black people. #Racist #Hate

        “She also has self-determination and has more right to decide to dehumanize herself than you do to impose it on her.”

        If she dehumanizes herself that’s on her. I call them like I see them and I am not going to pretend a woman who loudly proclaims she’s a whore is anything but a whore. After all who am I to say she is wrong – correct?

        “Now you’re being a bigot toward people who have mental illnesses. Swell.”

        You know with your racism against people of color believing that they should be experimented on I don’t think you should be calling anyone a bigot Your hatred of blacks has now been proven with your embrace of the syphilis experiments and I really don’t see how you have any moral authority to make any accusations against anyone else. #Bigot

        “Right, you hav e no responsibility for what you say.”

        I have no care if you don’t like the truth. If you get offended go somewhere else.

        “You’re literally gleefully incapable of referring to adult female characters as women. More dehumanization.”

        Okay the WOMEN in the series are filthy disgusting self absorbed whores. Alrighty then?

        “If you don’t find whores offensive, why do you rail against their existence? Why not be hunky dory with full-blown actual sex workers?”

        I don’t need to know about your profession but if you that’s your choice have at. Just understand that by doing it you make yourself a whore. If you want to proudly own it fine but its stupid to be sensitive when someone points out the empress isn’t wearing any clothes… again.

        “I don’t have one of those, so I googled since you are too lazy to do so or explain it.”

        I shouldn’t have too – you are capable of google right?

        “So you seriously do define it as any woman who has sex before marriage.”

        That’s the bibles definition so that’s THE DEFINITION. People who practice Islam would also agree. But don’t worry we are all wrong and you are right I’m sure.

        “If you don’t care, why warn? Why dehumanize? Why would you bother?”

        Because when I see someone doing something stupid and self destructive it is kind to tell them that what they are doing will hurt them. Thus I am telling you. You seem to think this is evil – but experimenting on black men isn’t?!? #Racism

        “You still haven’t given a reasonable expectation of how an adult woman living today can escape being your weirdo definition of “whore” without causing significant harm to herself and life. The fact that you want women to suffer harm makes you a misogynist.”

        Don’t sleep around. Don’t screw men if you aren’t married to them. Is there some mystical force between your nethers that compells you bed strange men? If you are incapable of controlling your baser instincts perhaps you do lend credence to the anciet idea that women shouldn’t be allowed any freedom but I doubt you’d agree to that despite having just proven it #Misogyny

        “Alright, I gotta drop the mic on this one. Merry Christmas. Have fun doing what you’re told at church.”

        No worries – you have fun at the brothel but please stop hating on black men #Racism

      113. GreatCrooksOfMen (GCOM) December 25, 2014 at 11:56 am

        TLDR

      114. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 7:01 pm

        Wasn’t written for you. The world doesn’t actually revolve around you.

      115. GreatCrooksOfMen (GCOM) December 25, 2014 at 11:55 am

        According to your definition,
        one innocent man should suffer
        before 100 guilty people
        and it’s all based on your gay arbitrary personal standards, which I reject entirely
        now make me yield to your rules
        go on, try
        what you gonna do
        your moral system is hilariously stupid and I reject it
        I actively seek to make your life worse

      116. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 7:06 pm

        “According to your definition,one innocent man should suffer
        before 100 guilty people”

        No, you misunderstand. Having a totally lawless society, or an incompetent legal system, causes more suffering.

        “gay arbitrary personal standards”

        I’m not gay. Are you using “gay” as an insult, like a 12-year-old in the early 2000’s? Classy.

        My standards are going to by my own by definition because they are mine. So are yours.

        “now make me yield to your rulesgo on, try”

        I am uninterested in trying to force you to submit to my value system. I am trying to convince people here, or at least prevent innocent onlookers from being sucked in to this site’s prevailing value system.

        “I actively seek to make your life worse and take pleasure in that”

        Sounds like you clearly have a superior ethical system. /s

        “This is what it feels like to have nothing to loseAnd only money, pussy, and power to gain”

        You sound deranged. Are you a ticking time bomb?

      117. Remo December 22, 2014 at 5:29 am

        “The fact of the matter is that if your god exists, he made people like me with brains like mine that see blue skies and no sailboats, and not for lack of trying to see. Why? Just to torture us? That seems like
        something a good deity would do… ?”

        What is good? And how are you judging good vs. evil and based on what moral standard – your personal one? I came to believe because I very much do
        believe that evil does exist and if it does this implies its opposite. That lead me to begin searching. As to why if you have searched you haven’t found what you are looking for I can’t answer that. I don’t know you and have no clue about the state of your soul beyond what you are telling me are your experiences. For myself when I sought out GOD I didn’t have trouble believing but that is my experience and I don’t expect anyone but me to believe it..

        “Heaven is for perfect people?”

        Yes.
        Sin makes the world imperfect. Heaven is perfect. If there was sin in it the place would become hell – living forever with sin.

        “I thought those didn’t exist (original sin, etc.). So then heaven is just another torture device as well?”

        Perfect people don’t exist, they are forgiven through the blood sacrifice of the sinless son of GOD. I don’t pretend to understand the cosmic mechanics of this but I don’t need to understand the workings of turbine
        jet propulsion to buy and utilize a plane ticket and trust that I will get where I want to go.

        “Your original comment gives me pause as well… stuff I said…
        That is not a statement made by a generally compassionate, benevolent person”.

        I never claimed to be compassionate, benevolent, or anything good according to your way of judgement. I was cruel, nasty, and shined the light on something you are doing wrong and getting disgusted at your defense of it. You advocate evil which I deem a bad thing especially if others take your advice. Not only is this the key to unhappiness in this world but keeping it denies access to the next as well.

        “It has an inherent hatred of and pushing down of women.”

        No – it is protecting their long term interests. It is no more evil then denying a child ice cream for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. The fact that you want to do something does not mean it is harmless or that it is
        a good thing.

        “I used to feel bad I couldn’t make myself believe in god, but every time I see something like this, another
        remaining piece of that feeling chips away.”

        If your faith or lack thereof is based on being happy or disappointed in other human beings then you are definitely barking up the wrong tree. There is not a person on this Earth who won’t disappoint you eventually. The perfect savior lived a long time ago and I am not him. I’m sure what I said wasn’t 100% Christian and if you let me speak in total for GOD (which I never claimed or wanted to do) then that is foolish. While what I said is true the way I said it probably hurt your feelings – oh well – I’m brash – that doesn’t mean it isn’t true but that is up to you to accept or not. Oh and lets clear the air – if you send yourself to hell because you don’t believe me I won’t care so you honestly waste your time telling me you don’t. Its not my responsibility to convince you and I pay no penalty if you decide to choose death.

        “Hopefully one day, it will be completely gone, so please keep saying stuff that makes religious people sound like serial killers!”

        So we’ve gone from my condemnation of fornication to becoming a serial killer? Interesting… I fail to see the logical connection there but as I see it makes you feel better about yourself have at.

        “Thank you for the work you have done for me already.”

        No problem. Leave a tip in the jar on the way out please.

        “Also wondering: how do you hate the world so much
        and still see god in it? I don’t even hate the world that much, but my search has always come up with diddly.”

        Of course you don’t hate the world if you are in sin – the devil doesn’t think hell is bad place and wants to turn the world into hell with the help of dupes and fools. If you like the world as is you can have it but personally GOD has a better place staked out and if you don’t like that its on you.

        Cheers

      118. Remo December 22, 2014 at 5:34 am

        “The fact of the matter is that if your god exists, he made people like me with brains like mine that see blue skies and no sailboats, and not for lack of trying to see. Why? Just to torture us? That seems like
        something a good deity would do… ?”

        What is good? And how are you judging good vs. evil and based on what moral standard – your personal one? I came to believe because I very much do
        believe that evil does exist and if it does this implies its opposite. That lead me to begin searching. As to why if you have searched you haven’t found what you are looking for I can’t answer that. I don’t know you and have no clue about the state of your soul beyond what you are telling me are your experiences. For myself when I sought out GOD I didn’t have trouble believing but that is my experience and I don’t expect anyone but me to believe it..

        “Heaven is for perfect people?”

        Yes.
        Sin makes the world imperfect. Heaven is perfect. If there was sin in it the place would become hell – living forever with sin.

        “I thought those didn’t exist (original sin, etc.). So then heaven is just another torture device as well?”

        Perfect people don’t exist, they are forgiven through the blood sacrifice of the sinless son of GOD. I don’t pretend to understand the cosmic mechanics of this but I don’t need to understand the workings of turbine
        jet propulsion to buy and utilize a plane ticket and trust that I will get where I want to go.

        “Your original comment gives me pause as well… stuff I said…
        That is not a statement made by a generally compassionate, benevolent person”.

        I never claimed to be compassionate, benevolent, or anything good according to your way of judgement. I was cruel, nasty, and shined the light on something you are doing wrong and getting disgusted at your defense of it. You advocate evil which I deem a bad thing especially if others take your advice. Not only is this the key to unhappiness in this world but keeping it denies access to the next as well.

      119. Remo December 22, 2014 at 5:34 am

        “It has an inherent hatred of and pushing down of women.”

        No – it is protecting their long term interests. It is no more evil then denying a child ice cream for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. The fact that you want to do something does not mean it is harmless or that it is
        a good thing.

        “I used to feel bad I couldn’t make myself believe in god, but every time I see something like this, another
        remaining piece of that feeling chips away.”

        If your faith or lack thereof is based on being happy or disappointed in other human beings then you are definitely barking up the wrong tree. There is not a person on this Earth who won’t disappoint you eventually. The perfect savior lived a long time ago and I am not him. I’m sure what I said wasn’t 100% Christian and if you let me speak in total for GOD (which I never claimed or wanted to do) then that is foolish. While what I said is true the way I said it probably hurt your feelings – oh well – I’m brash – that doesn’t mean it isn’t true but that is up to you to accept or not. Oh and lets clear the air – if you send yourself to hell because you don’t believe me I won’t care so you honestly waste your time telling me you don’t. Its not my responsibility to convince you and I pay no penalty if you decide to choose death.

        “Hopefully one day, it will be completely gone, so please keep saying stuff that makes religious people sound like serial killers!”

        So we’ve gone from my condemnation of fornication to becoming a serial killer? Interesting… I fail to see the logical connection there but as I see it makes you feel better about yourself have at.

        “Thank you for the work you have done for me already.”

        No problem. Leave a tip in the jar on the way out please.

        “Also wondering: how do you hate the world so much
        and still see god in it? I don’t even hate the world that much, but my search has always come up with diddly.”

        Of course you don’t hate the world if you are in sin – the devil doesn’t think hell is bad place and wants to turn the world into hell with the help of dupes and fools. If you like the world as is you can have it but personally GOD has a better place staked out and if you don’t like that its on you.

        Cheers

      120. GreatCrooksOfMen (GCOM) December 25, 2014 at 11:34 am

        Who are you to judge if a man doesn’t hire women at his company.

        His company, his choice.

      121. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 9:37 pm

        Not really. The company is in the public sphere and affects life in general society. Individual women do not have that power.

    2. Guest December 15, 2014 at 5:21 pm

      Really couldn’t have said it any better

    3. salsafreak December 23, 2014 at 8:23 am

      My thoughts exactly.

  7. Armenian December 15, 2014 at 10:38 am

    On a recent road trip in the Southwest USA, Tove Lo’s Habits and that annoying Taylor Swift song were the songs I heard the most on local radio stations.

  8. CamelJockey December 15, 2014 at 10:43 am

    This article reminds me of this one girl that was in my social circle. She looked just like a less-attractive Khloe Kardashian. She’d meet guys and fuck them fast, and then the guys would disappear afterward. Many times while we’ve been out she would cry while drunk about how she could never find a guy that wants to date her, that guys only want to fuck her. She hated how the prettier girls in the group got all the attention and she didn’t.

    She met a fat beta guy on Tinder and actually made him wait a few weeks before having sex with him, but she dumped him because he was “boring”. As if making the guy wait means she’s no longer a slut. What’s worse is that she’s 30 years old and just now discovered the rave scene, and all of a sudden she loves EDM cause “music is my life! live laugh love!”

    1. Conrad Stonebanks December 15, 2014 at 11:51 am

      “What’s worse is that she’s 30 years old and just now discovered the rave scene, and all of a sudden she loves EDM cause “music is my life! live laugh love!””

      These kind of women are becoming more common it seems. Instead of finding some guy to settle with, they jump back on the carousel for a “second” ride, at – or around – age 30.

      1. manmax December 15, 2014 at 3:29 pm

        Always remember ‘The carousel stops for no man’

      2. GRock December 15, 2014 at 9:45 pm

        Shiit bro, theres bitches in the midwest around me ridin the carousel into their 40s. A common type I’ve seen is the 35-40yo, had kids early in late teens or 20s, kids are close to grown, got divorced because they see other women playing the patriarchal system, ruining the family unit to get strange cocks, alimony, and child support while working monkey-level jobs and living secure.. probably till death since part of the exes 401k is in her hands too.

      3. chiiill December 21, 2014 at 8:44 pm

        Not women having fun! AHGHGHGHGHGHGGHHHH!!!1

    2. LJ December 15, 2014 at 2:20 pm

      What metro area has women like this?

      1. Conrad Stonebanks December 15, 2014 at 2:31 pm

        You mean, which hasn’t?

      2. CamelJockey December 15, 2014 at 2:46 pm

        Where else but the most degenerate place in America….Los Angeles

      3. Conrad Stonebanks December 15, 2014 at 2:48 pm

        I thought that was San Francisco, but I could be mistaken.

      4. manmax December 15, 2014 at 3:31 pm

        Does it matter where they are from learn game and fuck them, just don’t wife them up or impregnate them.

    3. Mark Kimmel December 15, 2014 at 10:07 pm

      It’s a self perpetuating cycle.

      My last GF had a dark history that gradually came out a year after we were together. She came across as a perfect sweetheart at first. Baked for me. Ran down the stairs when I got home form work and eagerly inquired about my day. Understood the power of feminine silence. But even in the beginning there were little signs of her slutiness that I ignored. She was a east coast SWPL SJW, but I thought she was different.

      Eventually she let her guard down and I found out that her humanitarian trips to Africa were also littered with sexual adventures with locals. It’s a cliche’ now and predictable for anyone who understands the red pill, but when you find out stuff like that about someone you care about, about someone you thought was different, it’s a punch to the gut. I couldn’t think about her the same way, and the little home we had built was gone before I even walked out the door. Yea I understand I have a whore/Madonna complex, but who wants to have the unequivocal knowledge of your girl being a slut? Not only do girls do it, now they’re ’empowered’ to rub it in a man’s face with impunity. It’s a race to the bottom.

      I heard from a mutual acquaintance that she went on a bang marathon after I left her. Maybe to heal the pain of me leaving, or maybe just a welcome return to her true nature. It was fine, I didn’t care at that point, the well was poisoned. I wonder what kind of self respecting man could ever commit to her.

      So my point is slutiness is a trap for women. My ex girl was a slut, had a good man (me), lost him because of her slutiness and lack of shame about it, then went back to being a slut to deal with her singlehood.

      I’m pretty sure this is the real story of Eve.

      1. CamelJockey December 16, 2014 at 2:40 am

        You just reminded me about this Swedish girl I used to know. She’s a yoga instructor and only dates black guys. She went to Kenya for 2 weeks for some program to teach the locals yoga. You could only imagine how much BBC she took while on her trip.

      2. Northy December 16, 2014 at 2:45 am

        Swedish girls must be even bigger, more disgusting sluts than the North American variety.

        Didn’t think it was possible.

      3. CamelJockey December 16, 2014 at 3:41 am

        You should look into how much the Liberals in Sweden are fucking the country up by allowing so many poor ethnic minorities to immigrate in, especially from Muslim countries, because “multi-culturism is good for everyone” but in reality the white women just love black and arab cock

      4. Hugo December 16, 2014 at 8:27 am

        You forget the News run the Worldmthrought their control of media, finance, and politics. They hate “goyim/cattle” as they call people aka non-Jews and want to see all races and cultures destroyed and enslaved but their own. Google The terms Khazars, Benjamin Freedman, Kol Nidre, Michael Hoffman @ revisionist history, Kevina macdonald prof at cal state, etc. to learn more.

      5. zgitchoooo December 16, 2014 at 10:44 am

        Do better, shit for brains. If you’re so smart, why don’t YOU go get control of “media, finance, and politics.”

        Maybe our poor widdle crybaby isn’t too bright, or is a widdle lazy..need a nap, baby boy?

      6. Hugo December 16, 2014 at 12:05 pm

        The truth hurts khazar propagandist and all you have is insults for the truth.

      7. Prince X December 21, 2014 at 7:40 am

        Yeah, pretty soon the US will be majority people of color and it looks like Europe won’t be far behind. Pretty soon the world will be dark. Fear of a Black Planet. As it was in the beginning, so shall it be in the end. Oh well, more white sluts for me since they like BBC.

      8. chiiill December 21, 2014 at 8:47 pm

        Thanks, Anders Breivik.

      9. ChimpGod December 23, 2014 at 12:22 pm

        It’s going to be a shit hole in a few years.. they are fucking pussies over there. No spines.. I used to watch their version of COPS while I was there.. I thought it was a comedy.. like Reno 911.. No, their cops are just that fucking lame and weak.

      10. Armenian December 16, 2014 at 11:19 am

        “She went to Kenya to teach yoga”
        Bringing first world problems to the third world. LOL

      11. ChimpGod December 23, 2014 at 12:19 pm

        I spent 5 weeks in Stockholm and have quite a bit of experience with Scandinavian people. They are “progressive”.. in their minds, if they fuck minorities , it’s showing how non racist and accepting they are. Trying to 1 up each other.

      12. Marty Funkhouser December 16, 2014 at 8:59 pm

        yall sound like racists with penis envy.

      13. Hugo December 17, 2014 at 8:12 am

        Anyone using the term “y’all” probably had ancestors who wore white hoods and burned crosses.

      14. chiiill December 21, 2014 at 8:46 pm

        You don’t want a woman… what you want is a dog.

      15. tempus.fugit December 26, 2014 at 6:58 pm

        volunteering? fuck off.

        we don’t feed dogs that bite, so fuck off regardless.

      16. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 9:39 pm

        Kuh-lass-ay. Good one.

      17. hv December 27, 2014 at 6:40 am

        Nobody wants a whore for a gf. Get that through your thick, c unty feminist brain, you fucking slut. Most men have a visceral reaction to committing to a woman who has “explored her sexuality with multiple men” i.e., whored around with multiple men before she ended up with him.. These women are damaged and don’t make good long term partners. So are men who indulge in promiscuous behaviour for that matter, but women are damaged far more by casual sex than are men. In any case, men have the right to reject slutty women like you as worthy of commitments, just as you have the right to reject men whose values and beliefs you don’t agree with. Why are you intent on justifying female sluttery and whoredom? And are you wise enough to understand fully the long term repurcusions of female sexual freedom and of sexual liberalism in general ? Don’t be an arrogant cunt. Have some humility and consider your liberal views that see any social constraints on sexual mores that are current fashionable may be wrong, and that conservatives might have valid arguments in some of their critiques of feminism and sexual liberalism.

      18. ChimpGod December 23, 2014 at 12:18 pm

        I would get tested for HIV.. just sayin.

    4. Infantry December 16, 2014 at 7:34 am

      “live laugh love!”

      I’ve seen so many post-wall girls with this tattooed on themselves after spending their 20’s carousel riding and backpacking. They’re a dime a dozen on online dating sites.

  9. Inside UoM December 15, 2014 at 10:56 am

    So I’m living in Asia and these are the last 3 of my bangs:

    A girl who had 1 dick for 5 years, and has now had 63 in the last 10 months. 26 of those dicks came in the first two months after her break-up. She also took 6 guys at once in one night. I banged her after 40 minutes of banter. She told me all this in her post-coital bliss

    A girl who has fucked 150 men from 38 different countries (She keeps an interactive map). Easy one night stand. She showed me the map once we were at her place. I made sure to wrap it up.

    A girl who is has had 3 dicks in her life (She is 21) Relationship-minded girl. Sweet and innocent.

    As you see from the above, women abroad are now becoming rapidly westernised. Sure on average they aren’t as bad as Western Women, but as time progresses I fear that they won’t be much different from the toxic women of the west.

    1. TheGrandAdmiral December 15, 2014 at 11:53 am

      They still tend to be better looking, and if you are a Westerner (especially a “super-duper White guy”), you can capitalize off of the Westernization.

    2. Conrad Stonebanks December 15, 2014 at 11:55 am

      “A girl who has fucked 150 men from 38 different countries (She keeps an interactive map).”

      http://oi57.tinypic.com/rwuck2.jpg

      1. Schultz December 15, 2014 at 2:40 pm

        “Plowed by 100 guys” or more accurately, “The herpes around the world project”

    3. manmax December 15, 2014 at 3:36 pm

      150 men from 38 different countries.

      Fucking A this broad is on a cock world tour.

      The best part is some beta is going to pay for it.

      1. YosarriansRight December 15, 2014 at 3:56 pm

        There’s enough Eskimo Brothers there to start a new cuntry, I mean country. No, cuntry.

      2. splooge December 15, 2014 at 9:12 pm

        ya women are really about that 50 shades of dick now.
        Be scared of sucking women now of what you can catch. Be like fucking a petri dish

      3. don mario December 18, 2014 at 6:50 pm

        some beta white guy no doubt. the locals will stay the fuck away from these types.

    4. DeAnn Falvey December 15, 2014 at 6:18 pm

      where in asia? just curious.

      1. Inside UoM December 16, 2014 at 2:57 am

        China.

    5. GRock December 15, 2014 at 9:49 pm

      Wow, that had me chuckling. At least we gave them the tech to track their STD spreading twats.

    6. Anti-Justice December 16, 2014 at 6:45 am

      I always find it odd when girls brag to me about how many guys they’ve fucked.. oh well. If nothing else it tells me not to date her and to wrap it up. I used to get into arguments with chicks all the time – them saying how hard it is for girls to meet guys. Ofcourse they want a tall ripped ex-playboy to date them. Me telling them Im gonna fuck her (once I realized there’s no point arguing with skirts) and then proceeding, Haha!

      1. Niika December 16, 2014 at 12:11 pm

        Itd like a guy bragging how many times he was friendzoned.

    7. Ian December 17, 2014 at 8:20 am

      This has got to be Thailand or Philipines. 150 notches is gross for anyone- I read this and couldn’t eat much yesterday and I’m a fat guy. Many primates have more class than people like that.

      1. don mario December 18, 2014 at 6:57 pm

        dude said it was china.. yea. the foriegn guys will all be banging the same girls who like foriegn girls and lurk in the club to gain more foriegn bangs.. its a relatively small group with lots of fluid swapping going on. pretty damn gross. but as most people do not speak english if u do not learn chinese then you are pretty much limited to this group.

        i met one girl who actually moved to the city and studied to be a translator with the exact aim to gain foreign guys.. her whole life is catered to it!

      2. Inside UoM December 22, 2014 at 9:45 am

        Yeah it was Shanghai.

    8. don mario December 18, 2014 at 6:49 pm

      are you sure u didn’t just meet white fever club whores? i avoid those types, they really are not normal. most girls i have met in asia have had a very low number of dicks. it is just cultural.

      of course there are westernised ones who picked it up from living abroad. it seems that living in a westernised country is just going to infect most..

      but yea.. seems you met the freaky ones who get an ego boost from gaining white dudes. one girl showed me her online photo album of guys she banged.. she didn’t even think it was strange. and she was fucking ugly. she was very proud of all the ‘handsome’ guys she had banged.

      1. Inside UoM December 22, 2014 at 9:44 am

        The 150 notch girl lived with her parents until a few months ago and had a 11pm curfew when she lived at home. I met her through day game and she got her notches purely through online bangs. She has never been to a nightclub and studies at University.

  10. Conrad Stonebanks December 15, 2014 at 11:41 am

    For me, this is another Roosh hall-of-fame article. This is some excellent writing!

  11. Elisium December 15, 2014 at 11:43 am

    Of course my comment wasn’t posted cuz I said I am a woman..
    Stop hating on women!

    1. Skoll December 15, 2014 at 12:27 pm

      I’m actually curious to know how women would rationalize this slut culture.

      1. Amanda December 15, 2014 at 3:05 pm

        Who the fuck are you to judge the sexual preference of a woman? It’s sexism that needs to be stomped in 2014 you sexist chauvinist rape-apologist scumbag. So what? Do you condone rape culture mister?

      2. manmax December 15, 2014 at 3:39 pm

        You are not getting it my dear,

        Men do this out of concern for personal health.

        We love life to much to die early.

      3. GRock December 15, 2014 at 9:52 pm

        Wait you mean: ‘Live, Laugh, Love” < logic. I forgot. proceed

      4. Vegard Johansen December 15, 2014 at 6:32 pm

        Do you condone Bigfoot sister?

      5. Tom Dane December 15, 2014 at 8:19 pm

        Why do you suddenly talk about rape ? And no one is stopping you, note that he dont say “we must stop this.” He simply points out how worthless you are.

      6. splooge December 15, 2014 at 9:56 pm

        you are judging male sexual preference as well.
        Only difference is men try to be the best they can and meet that standard, women will bitch and get their feelings hurt.
        Then will throw name calling and shaming language that dont make sense.
        like calling a straight man a mysoginst cuz he like slim women.
        technically a gay guy would be a mysoginst

      7. fokkertism December 16, 2014 at 8:03 am

        Ek is slegs ‘n normaal man in ‘n abnormaal wêreld. Jy is ‘n doos-feminist. Plaas hierdie teks in Google-Vertaal.

      8. don mario December 18, 2014 at 6:59 pm

        a guy who has the right to choose NOT to date slags.

      9. AL1981 December 16, 2014 at 7:09 pm

        I’m a woman and yes I think being actively slutty is going to reduce your ‘girlfriend/wife’ potential. What sane guy is going to think a girl who screws around with several men is going to even be satisfied settling down with one dick. That said, guys who screw 100s of woman don’t exactly have long term relationship potential either. What sane girl is going to think he will be satisfied settling down with one pussy. You know he won’t be.

      10. don mario December 18, 2014 at 7:01 pm

        very true. but the current culture values these guys. women are attracted to guys who can gain 100s of women, it does not make any sense. its not like that everywhere though. in asia girls will try hard to avoid players.

      11. chiiill December 21, 2014 at 8:55 pm

        Yeah, we’re really not attracted to men who can “gain 100s of women.” Your obvious seething hatred of us scares us away, which is why this whole PUA thing is so tragic.

      12. don mario December 21, 2014 at 9:15 pm

        You are. Im neither a pua nor someone who hates western women.

        Just because i wont date you because i have found a much better alternative i somehow hate western women , want sex slaves and am a pick up artist? Thats a pathetic conclusion.

      13. chiiill December 21, 2014 at 10:21 pm

        You’re on an anti-western women PUA comment board, agreeing with most of the worldview and attitudes. You certainly weren’t coming out against anything. That’s where the conclusion came from.

      14. don mario December 22, 2014 at 8:38 am

        roosh may be a pua but he says a lot of truthful things that make sense. i don’t need to be a pua to post comments here and agree with his sentiments. i don’t hate western women.. but i am anti western women in the sense that i have stopped dating them for good due to the gender imbalance they have created in western culture and the fact that foreign women are just superior..

      15. chiiill December 22, 2014 at 8:45 am

        He does say to brush your teeth and wear clothes that fit, but that’s about where the truthfulness ends. Alright, so you’re not a PUA; you just agree with PUA philosophy.

        Seriously, what gender imbalance do you see? Is it “balanced” to have one side constantly submit to the other? In what way?

      16. don mario December 22, 2014 at 9:35 am

        if roosh is asking for his women to submit to him them take that up with him. i don’t expect that nor would i want it.
        i wouldn’t do PUA myself because i prefer things to be natural, but by being natural in the west you cannot get women anymore. this is why pua exists in the first place. how can i blame those guys? they figured out that girls respond to negative techniques such as negging and acting like a cocky ‘bad guy’ so they started doing this to get laid – because it works. it works on western girls, so if anyone is to blame for pua it is the women. if you don’t like it then stop responding to it. simple. how can i disagree with something that exists and is successful for those guys? personally i would not want to act like a douche just to get laid. and i don’t have to because i don’t date western women.

      17. chiiill December 24, 2014 at 12:58 pm

        Blame Canada! Oh, right, women.

      18. snowden_farted December 26, 2014 at 6:50 pm

        and the fact that you are trolling little miss chiliil

        bless your heart

      19. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 9:40 pm

        Trolls trolls; is so meta. Love it.

      20. chiiill December 21, 2014 at 8:53 pm

        There’s nothing wrong with having sex. It’s advisable to do in a safer way, but sex is great, and there’s no real reason not to enjoy life if you’re not in a serious relationship. See? That was easy.

    2. CamelJockey December 15, 2014 at 1:44 pm

      Why are you even on here? Go read some Elite Daily instead

    3. Amanda December 15, 2014 at 3:04 pm

      They hate women because women in many cities have standards. We in Toronto know those sexist men by a mile away

      1. Sean December 15, 2014 at 3:21 pm

        Oh, shut the hell up. There’s a reason so many of us Canadian men don’t do white women anymore.

      2. manmax December 15, 2014 at 3:41 pm

        You have just proven my theory that Toronto women are cock psychics

      3. Tom Dane December 15, 2014 at 8:21 pm

        We have standards too..that’s why no sane man would ever travel to Toronto to meet women. Actually, they leave to meet women.

      4. 1812 Immigrant December 18, 2014 at 4:29 pm

        The feminists in Toronto tried to ban adult escort services with the help of white knight Stephen Harper…for once the Ontario Premier did something right as to not enforce it fully as expected.

      5. Clark Kent December 15, 2014 at 8:43 pm

        I’m actually leaving Toronto to go find dateable women elsewhere.

        What you call hate-speech women from other cultures call common sense. We’re talking about actually marrying and investing in women here. None of us mind that girls are giving it up easily, but in the long run it lessens the pool of women that are marriage material. Not to mention so many native girls I know in Tdot can’t figure out why their PhD dissertation isn’t landing them Daniel Craig.

        I’ve dated girls who come into town from other parts of the world and there is a world of difference. Even if it doesn’t work out with these girls, at least I got to enjoy the company of an attractive feminine woman who doesn’t have a bone to pick with men. Too many of the native girls here hate masculine men… but then they get bored with their wussy boyfriends… It is fucking backwards-town…

        The bottom line for every self-respecting man you meet is this… Why would I dedicate my life’s work to a woman in exchange for her sexuality that she gave to someone else for free?

      6. AL1981 December 16, 2014 at 7:39 pm

        “What you call hate-speech women from other cultures call common sense. We’re talking about actually marrying and investing in women here. None of us mind that girls are giving it up easily, but in the long run it lessens the pool of women that are marriage material.”

        I agree. I believe it goes both ways though.

        On another note, I too live in Toronto and I would not want to be a man trying to get laid in this city because I’ve seen how it goes in the club scene. Men need to have their bank statements stapled to their Hugo Boss suit while ordering premium vodka to their VIP table to get the attention of hot girls. It’s very shallow here.

      7. Joe December 17, 2014 at 8:29 am

        I know what you’re saying man but what’s if you were a chick and taking loads of genetic cream to carry a kid for nine months would you rather be at the Hugo Boss, crepes, and grey goose table or the Gap, Hamburger, and Miller Lite table?

        I’m a guy and id rather wear boss and eat crepes.

      8. chiiill December 21, 2014 at 8:58 pm

        That’s how clubs are. Don’t go to clubs if you don’t like them.

      9. chiiill December 21, 2014 at 8:57 pm

        You’re trying to reproduce with someone, right? Does it concern you that you’re limiting your pool of potential reproductive partners to stupid people?

      10. Clark Kent December 21, 2014 at 9:51 pm

        Because I’m leaving toronto? Are the people here particularly intelligent? Pls explain.

      11. chiiill December 21, 2014 at 10:24 pm

        No, because you denigrated educated women and want a “feminine woman who doesn’t have a bone to pick with men.” That kind of language is almost always code for “submissive child with no critical thinking skills,” also known as a stupid person. You would have to be stupid to act like a slave for someone who hated you, unless you truly had no other options.

      12. Clark Kent December 21, 2014 at 11:52 pm

        Fair points.
        I honestly love educated women. Intelligence in a women is necessary to maintain my interest.
        What I’m saying is that the educated women here seem to think their degree should make them more attractive, and I’ve seen too much coddling of “intelligent” women in the workplace.
        I think girls in Toronto in general have a bone to pick with men. Very unclear expectations. And worst of all… Criticism of bad female behaviour is simply not allowed… So you have basically no incentive as a man to invest in the women here when they are celebrated for behaving whorish.
        It’s a cool place for a man if you have tons of money, or you just don’t give a shit at all. But for a hard working intelligent guy who wants a well rounded life it can be a huge drag to not have the support of an attractive trustworthy (or somewhat trustworthy) woman.

      13. chiiill December 22, 2014 at 12:03 am

        So many questions…

        Why would any life accomplishment, including education, not make you marginally more attractive?

        What kind of “coddling” are you talking about?

        What expectations do you find unclear?

        What are you defining as “bad female behavior”? If it’s taking control of their own sexualities, yeah, I would expect to be verbally shot down for that. There are STD, pregnancy, and paternity tests now, so there’s no reason for women to have to lock themselves in their houses with their hope chests.

        Why is there “basically no incentive for a man to invest in the women here when they are celebrated for behaving whorish”?

        What do you mean by “invest” there? What do you mean by “whorish”?

        Why does having sex make a woman worthless or untrustworthy? If you don’t believe that having sex makes men worthless or untrustworthy, but you do believe that about women, care to explain why that’s not hypocritical bullshit?

      14. Clark Kent December 22, 2014 at 5:16 am

        “Why would any life accomplishment, including education, not make you marginally more attractive?”

        I loved my ex long before she was enrolled in her PhD program. I was attracted to her femininity, her sexually appealing appearance, and what kept me around was that she was very very bright and fun to go on adventures with. She let me challenge her aptitudes and we pushed each other to grow… That is the sorta thing I can ease into.

        If she completes her PhD I don’t think I will be more attracted to her. In fact, I think I will most likely be less attracted to her… Most of the girls where I worked looked like hell (i.e., overweight, overworked, jaded) by the time they finished their dissertations and started applying for post-doc positions… Nah… my penis is not inspired by fancy pieces of paper.

        “What kind of “coddling” are you talking about?”

        I worked in an academic science lab for the last 3.5 years. The female students were allowed to get away with childish behaviour (e.g., drinking alcohol during meetings, taking time off whenever they wanted, not sharing ideas with the group, playing people against each other, etc.), and not once were they disciplined. Not once were these things even questioned.

        In contrast, the male students were under the gun and open to constant criticism. Any similar kind of bad behaviour by male students was met with the risk of being fired. The lab is now 100% female. It used to be a 50/50 ratio… but academia is becoming way too restricting and depressing for penis humans.

        “What expectations do you find unclear?”

        The cliche that women want a provider and a rebel. A rugged individual and a man that fits into the collective. A leader who does everything she wants without question. A bad boy who is thinking of the future.

        What is unclear are the expectations that would keep a woman interested in her man. The only consistent thing seems to be that he should have money and/or social status. Everything else seems to just depend on how she is feeling in that moment.

        “What are you defining as “bad female behavior”?”

        Cheating, lying, instigating fights, breaking promises, ditching her man as soon as he hits hard times.

        These are all shitty things that people can do. But we aren’t allowed to criticize women for these things anymore. Calling them out on these can be easily re-construed as “misogyny.”

        “Why is there “basically no incentive for a man to invest in the women here when they are celebrated for behaving whorish”?”

        Too many risks nowadays. Not only do women have the upper hand when it comes to choosing partners (up until a certain age of course, but by then she can have easily secured a mate… assuming she isn’t horribly disfigured or something), but our society’s organized institutions seem to be heavily biased in favour of the women. These structural issues are not so bad in countries like Sweden, but in North America… if you’re a man… every time you get involved with a woman you must be prepared to risk facing a false-rape accusation, a divorce, etc. Look up the article “The Sexodus” for more details on this.

        “What do you mean by “invest” there? What do you mean by “whorish”?”

        By invest I mean to give of yourself. By giving a woman your money, time, monogamy, social life, a man is paying an opportunity cost. By investing in a women he is giving away portions of his precious finite life. And if the relationship doesn’t develop into anything meaningful… or if it brutally comes crashing down… he has been spent his finite time and resources that could have been better invested into other things.

        By whorish I mean traditionally bad female behaviour like cheating and lying. Women are no longer socially reprimanded for any kind of selfish behaviour… while men face all sorts of punishments for doing bad things (nowadays just for having a penis really.. look up the Yes Means Yes laws set up in Cali.. or the UVA false rape accusation…)

        “Why does having sex make a woman worthless or untrustworthy? If you don’t believe that having sex makes men worthless or untrustworthy, but you do believe that about women, care to explain why that’s not hypocritical bullshit?”

        Because men and women have biological differences. Women are attracted to men who other women are attracted to… it displays competence in a man and survival value.
        Men are attracted to women who are not promiscuous because human reproduction requires a huge commitment from both parents. If the man intends on raising his own children, he has to be damn sure that they are in fact his children… Otherwise he just wasted his life raising some other random dude’s kids… And got played a chump.
        A women that has sex with many men casually is less likely to become emotionally attached to the father of her children (or any man for that matter). Marriage statistics demonstrate that when a woman has fewer partners, the likelihood that the marriage will last is greater.
        This is a correlational finding I think… but men from all times of history seem to put a premium on their wife’s virginity (which represents strength in her attachment to that particular man and the family they build).

        I’m going to bed now.

      15. chiiill December 22, 2014 at 12:44 pm

        So your penis is only attracted to youth, huh. What happens when that inevitably disappears, as time passes? As you age, the way you stay attractive is by accomplishing things and being a nice person. Denying women that possibility is dehumanizing and unreasonable. A major thing I don’t understand about female-youth-obsessed subcultures is what the hell you expect to happen to women who are not young. (30? 25? 22? 18?) Do they just become “throw-away people” to you, latest at age 31, when they’re not even mid-way into adulthood? How is that in any way defensible, especially if you expect to be considered and treated as a full human throughout adulthood?

        “academia is becoming way too restricting and depressing for penis humans.”

        Ok, I’m sorry if that happened to you. However, the “boys will be boys” mentality is far more widespread, even in the academic scenario in which I am involved. Female professors chair far more dissertations than the male professors where I am (except for two male professors who are notable for doing a comparable amount of work to female professors), and male professors are less available for consult, and more often get away with being unreasonable or having abusive outbursts toward students.

        “The cliche that women want a provider and a rebel. A rugged individual and a man that fits into the collective. A leader who does everything she wants without question. A bad boy who is thinking of the future.

        What is unclear are the expectations that would keep a woman interested in her man. The only consistent thing seems to be that he should have money and/or social status. Everything else seems to just depend on how she is feeling in that moment.”

        What you’re not getting is that women are not a generic monolith. We’re actual people who have varying desires and expectations, both based on our personalities, and based on phase of life. Why would you expect to be able to attract all women?

        “These are all shitty things that people can do. But we aren’t allowed to criticize women for these things anymore. Calling them out on these can be easily re-construed as “misogyny.””

        I’m skeptical. I asked that question because you said, “None of us mind that girls are giving it up easily, but in the long run it lessens the pool of women that are marriage material,” and, “Why would I dedicate my life’s work to a woman in exchange for her sexuality that she gave to someone else for free?” which makes it sound like you were defining ‘female bad behavior’ as refusing to suppress their sexual autonomy. The things you mentioned in response (“Cheating, lying, instigating fights, breaking promises, ditching her man as soon as he hits hard times”) have very little to do with sexuality, and women are called out for them all the time in reasonable manners without anyone being accused of misogyny. However, there’s a reasonable way to “call people out” and there’s an unreasonable way. Suggesting a woman deserves to be beaten or killed for sexual infidelity, or for having a mutually agreed-upon open relationship, especially when you are an enthusiastic male cheater, would fall into the unreasonable, actually misogynistic, category. “She’s lame; she cheated on me and we had agreed not to,” is totally normal and happens all the time. Similarly, “instigating fights” could be a reasonable or unreasonable criticism – reasonable if the person is simply being abusive without a constructive end goal, or unreasonable if “instigating fights” just means “having self-respect and not putting up with bullshit.” Same goes for everything you mentioned.

        “These structural issues are not so bad in countries like Sweden”

        Super! Let’s be Sweden! To get there, though, we will have to value men and women equally, and that includes valuing women and men’s sexuality.

        “every time you get involved with a woman you must be prepared to risk facing a false-rape accusation, a divorce, etc.”

        I consider those things when getting romantically involved with someone, and also whether they are going to end up stalking me or making a necklace out of my teeth. In the end, there’s only so much control you have in life, and you ultimately have to make a choice about whether to cloister yourself and live a stunted life or say yes to some reasonable risk. It baffles me that people would move away from their entire social networks just to have a submissive Asian woman who doesn’t think for herself and dedicates a great deal of time to shallow pursuits, because that’s totally what’s important, for example.

        I am also unclear what acceptance of female non-virgins has to do with this. Divorce was worse for men back when female sexuality was more oppressed because women’s economic prospects were also more oppressed at that time, resulting in greater alimony. Conceptualizing women as good for nothing other than passive fucktoy and servile mother resulted in far more female-biased custody results. And still, almost no one is ever prosecuted for rape.

        “By investing in a women he is giving away portions of his precious finite life.”

        And women are doing that too, but more intensely since a proportion of the population thinks they’re “used up” and worthless if they get to 30-latest.

        “By whorish I mean traditionally bad female behaviour like cheating and lying.”

        Why is that “traditionally bad female behavior”? Men do that, perhaps even more often; jury’s out. This is a good opportunity to remind everyone that when you say “whorish” or “slutty” or whatever for more and more things, you’re just making the words meaningless. I assumed you were talking about sexuality, but you weren’t really; you were talking about betrayal.

        “Women are no longer socially reprimanded for any kind of selfish behaviour”

        What? That just … does not match up with my entire experience of life. Eating when you’re hungry is considered selfish, because you “owe” it to others to always be ornamental, first and foremost, and there’s no such thing as to rich or too thin. Not eating when you’re not hungry can be selfish too (“Don’t worry anyone!” “Don’t insult the cook!”) Not staying up all night to do stupid adorable Pinterest crafts and be a passive-aggressively competitive “supermom” is considered selfish. Staying up all night just to be passive-aggressively competitive is also selfish. Having a baby is selfish (“Not very green!”). Not having a baby is selfish (“So focused on yourself!”). People on this board think women who refuse to live their entire lives trying to please men, never developing their own identities, are selfish. Neglecting self-care and getting shitty with others is also selfish. So what in the everloving eff are you talking about? Women are branded selfish no matter what we do. Maybe we’re getting desensitized to all the bullshit guilt and not caring anymore? But in no way is that the same as not being “socially reprimanded for any kind of selfish behavior.”

        ” Yes Means Yes laws set up in Cali”

        When you are having sex with someone, you have a responsibility to obtain consent. My boyfriend and I have been practicing ‘yes means yes’ since our relationship began two years ago, and I bet you do too. When your partner zones out during sex, do you really not ask if she or he is ok? Do you not listen for positive moaning and if it’s not there, or it sounds pained, do you not check in and change what you’re doing accordingly? Would you really want to have sex with someone who is dissociated at the time? That’s like having sex with a dead body, only you can actually hurt the person.

        “UVA false rape accusation”

        Wait a second, while I disagree with the decision to suddenly close the frats as a result of this incident (they should be closed more slowly if they can’t provide evidence they benefit the campus community with anything other than dangerous parties), is any person even in trouble other than Jackie and the Rolling Stone people? Making a false accusation of rape is like trying to contract HIV in hopes you can give it to someone you hate – very unlikely to pan out with revenge as the outcome, very likely to seriously damage your own life. I don’t know what Jackie has going on, but she didn’t even accuse a real person. Using this as an example of you being persecuted for being male doesn’t make sense. You’re sounding a lot like Bill O’Reilly screaming about the “War on Christmas” because somebody said, “Happy Holidays.”

        “competence in a man and survival value.”

        The world is changing. There are many ways to be competent and have good survival value – there is no standard way. You can choose to be a dude with big muscles and do some kind of manual labor (some women are still attracted to that), you can be intellectual and do some kind of intellectual labor, same with creative, interpersonal, unethical, etc. There are subsets of women who are attracted to each of these life paths. Women’s survival value is extremely similar, now that brute force is not as useful for survival as it was in, say, the Dark Ages. So why do some of you apparently still want relative children? And if this is about “survival of the species,” why the disdain for childbearing hips in misogynistic circles? For fat stores that make surviving a famine more likely? Why is going after “fertility” at all costs worth it if you don’t even want to have a child and would actually pressure a woman to have an abortion because you don’t want to bear any sort of responsibility for it?

        “Otherwise he just wasted his life raising some other random dude’s kids”

        I intellectually understand that this is a sentiment that’s out there, but what is so important about a kid being genetically “yours”? Do kids suck if they don’t look like you? Does raising them mean nothing? How is this perspective not so embarrassingly conceited and empty people would fear to express it out loud?

        And if you’re so freakin’ concerned, get a dang paternity test; don’t make it a lifelong habit to degrade your life partner.

        “A women that has sex with many men casually is less likely to become emotionally attached to the father of her children (or any man for that matter).”

        True, if you don’t meld sexual encounters with permanence, you can’t trick someone into committing to you just by having sex with them. But why would you want to have someone commit to you out of fear that they’re irrationally “dirty” now that they had sex with your apparently dirty ass? Why wouldn’t you want to have a mutually fulfilling, loving relationship that is not dependent on ownership, sex, or creepy, infantilizing notions of “purity”?

        I guess you’re talking about this, and there may be a correlation, but it might not be being measured in a meaningful way (how much is due to each partner’s pre-existing religiosity and/or fear of being sexually ruined and unlovable from sexual freedom or divorce, for example?), and it might not even be reason to look down on experienced people marriage-wise. If more experienced people are less enthused about their marriages, it might mean that they simply have a more realistic view of things due to greater life experience, or are more willing to address problems in an adult manner rather than pretend they don’t exist and live in secret misery. Again, is it a positive thing to trick people into staying with you? It could also be a self-fulfilling prophesy for experienced women, in which men treat experienced women just a little less well due to attitudes like the ones you have expressed, so the experienced women love their relatively more asshole-ish men less. It could be all kinds of things.

        But since we’re talking about correlations, I’ll just leave these here:

        Age differences increase divorce rates.

        Date for 3 years, be rich, be religious, don’t care about appearance or wealth, have a large, but cheap wedding, and go on a honeymoon.

        When you use half-twisted “evolutionary psychology” to promote self-serving conclusions, you sound like this guy.

        “but men from all times of history seem to put a premium on their wife’s virginity (which represents strength in her attachment to that particular man and the family they build).”

        The only reason to care about virginity is if you’re insecure or you have inflexible patrilineal inheritance and no paternity tests. Especially because you can leave your possessions to whoever you want now, these are not good reasons.

      16. Clark Kent December 22, 2014 at 2:16 pm

        Might be a location/demographic thing. Where I live females can get away with basically anything. And in the manosphere we talk about how the whole “supermom” thing is nuts and makes no sense. Most of that pressure comes from women… not from men… the only above problemsthat you mentioned that men care about is that we will not be attracted to unfit fat women… So we tell you… And nowadays the guys who are honest and actually tell you to not be a human toxic waste dump are “misogynists.”

        And the issue that a woman “should not have their own identity” is misrepresented… no one here is telling you to be a supermom… go for it if you want… but its our prerogative to settle down with who we want, just like you. I, like most men, would like to settle down with someone who puts the family first, and “identity” second. I’ve met super successful women who when they reach late-30s are ready to have a kid… but at that point they have had so much experience with men that any real human male basically just becomes a sperm donor to her perceptually.

        To the issue that men prefer younger women. You can look up statistics that demonstrate that marriages with virginal girls are more likely to succeed than marriages where a girl has had many partners. Marriage is such a risky investment (huge stakes) that I’m gonna go after my best bet if I walk down the aisle. This isn’t some “youth” obsessed culture. This isn’t top-down programming from culture. The simple truth is that I will get a fuller more satisfying erection from a younger more attractive female pretty much everytime… And when she has less experience you can see that her excitement at intimacy is more genuine and less contrived. I don’t believe there is anything that “culture” can do about that… I’ve dated older women and my instincts just do not get as turned on…

        “It baffles me that people would move away from their entire social networks just to have a submissive Asian woman who doesn’t think for herself and dedicates a great deal of time to shallow pursuits, because that’s totally what’s important, for example.”

        This is a good representation of how deeply modern men are aching for a relationship with women that isn’t competitive or shallow in nature. Distinct gender roles help to maintain men and women’s interest in each other. It is no secret that the men that are getting the most action with women are either guys who have tonnes of money… or “hyper-masculine” males who are too high on testosterone, drugs, and beer to live a balanced life. When a normal self-respecting male sees this around him he has a few choices in front of him. (A) Be with these girls at the risk that they will never love you in the same way they did those five-star vacations and guys that had nothing to lose, or (B) Say fuck it and go for a more sure deal elsewhere… with a woman that might actually appreciate you.
        That is some of the logic behind those guys.

        Bottom line is life isn’t fair for either men or women. But right now men’s hands are tied… We don’t have many options… either roll the dice or opt out.
        The only solution I can think of right now is to change the laws to decrease the risks of marriage. Otherwise all we’ve got is the hook-up culture… and immigrants that DO maintain traditional gender roles. So unless things change, it might be good for you to start learning Chinese and read the Quran…

      17. opem December 23, 2014 at 9:48 am

        There are some things that I don’t think you understand, though you seem to be arguing in good faith and I agree with much of what you say. I would like to give you the perspective of someone whom this article resonated with.

        “So your penis is only attracted to youth, huh. What happens when that
        inevitably disappears, as time passes?”

        You become less physically attracted to your partner. If you care only about sating your sexual desire, you pursue younger women if you are able to. If you care about being loyal, you stay.

        “As you age, the way you stay
        attractive is by accomplishing things and being a nice person.”

        These are ‘attractive’ as admirable personality characteristics, but they are not attractive in the sense of being sexually arousing.

        “Denying
        women that possibility is dehumanizing and unreasonable.”

        The possibility of being sexually desired as a woman is constrained by the nature of male sexual desire, which is not reasonable. Men that could alter their sexual desire through reason would undoubtedly alter it to covet something less likely to pass their genes on.

        “A major thing I
        don’t understand about female-youth-obsessed subcultures is what the
        hell you expect to happen to women who are not young. (30? 25? 22? 18?)
        Do they just become “throw-away people” to you, latest at age 31, when
        they’re not even mid-way into adulthood? How is that in any way
        defensible, especially if you expect to be considered and treated as a
        full human throughout adulthood?”

        If the primary value you get from a woman is her sexuality, then yes, she is likely to become a ‘throw-away person’, where a ‘throw-away person’ is someone you no longer wish to associate with. But she would have already been a throw-away person if she wasn’t sexually desired. That’s Roosh’s point: women such as the one in the video are unappealing as wives, mothers or friends, but hold high appeal as fuck toys. The more women act like this, the less lasting, loving, meaningful relationships there will be – this is a tragedy.

        “I intellectually understand that this is a sentiment that’s out there,
        but what is so important about a kid being genetically “yours”? Do kids
        suck if they don’t look like you? Does raising them mean nothing? How is
        this perspective not so embarrassingly conceited and empty people would
        fear to express it out loud?”

        You lack a deep moral value shared by most normal people. If I was introduced to someone who turned out to be a brother or sister whose existence I was unaware of, I would probably cry, embrace them, and be extremely generous. You’d think ‘meh’ yet I’m the empty one?

        “The only reason to care about virginity is if you’re insecure or you
        have inflexible patrilineal inheritance and no paternity tests.
        Especially because you can leave your possessions to whoever you want
        now, these are not good reasons.”

        The accusation of insecurity is something that has always vaguely confused me. I mean, if a non-virgin is more likely to stray, or harbor deep romantic feelings for men other than you, then shouldn’t you feel less secure? It’s like saying ‘the only reason to care about insurance is insecurity’. That’s the point!

        However, I seem to value virginity more than a girl’s past gives me reason to be insecure. I would significantly prefer a virgin woman to a woman who was a virgin then raped, as would I significantly prefer a virgin woman to a woman who’s only partner had died. My concern for virginity is much the same as my concern for blood loyalty and aversion towards cruelty to animals. I can come up with supporting reasons, but the reasons do not appear to be the cause of my feelings. I can’t not care.

        If it were impossible to have a relationship with a virgin woman, I wouldn’t care for non-virgins as much as I would for virgins. I’d just care less. Much the same as if I found out my long lost brother or sister was actually just a stranger. I feel a loss of love. You never cared, consequently you feel nothing.

      18. chiiill December 24, 2014 at 1:25 pm

        “If you care only
        about sating your sexual desire”

        “These are ‘attractive’ as admirable personality characteristics,
        but they are not attractive in the sense of being sexually arousing.”

        “If the primary value
        you get from a woman is her sexuality, then yes, she is likely to become a
        ‘throw-away person’, where a ‘throw-away person’ is someone you no longer wish
        to associate with. But she would have already been a throw-away person if she
        wasn’t sexually desired.”

        So men are able to separate their values from their sexuality? Or they have shitty values? You really are animals? How are we supposed to not detest you? Help, seriously, I’m trying really hard.

        “women such as the one
        in the video are unappealing as wives, mothers or friends, but hold high appeal
        as fuck toys.”

        That doesn’t make sense.

        “You lack a deep moral
        value shared by most normal people.”

        I’m unsure how genetic tribalism is a defensible moral value. Then again, I’m a person with very prolific ancestors and an extremely common last name, so when some is related to me, it’s like, “Ok. Neat, I guess.”

        “It’s like saying ‘the only reason to care about insurance is
        insecurity’. That’s the point!”

        More like saying, ‘The reason to buy $1 million worth of insurance for a $200,000 house is insecurity or fraud.’ You’re wayyyyyyyyyy overreacting. It’s like only wanting to date Asians because their infidelity rates are lower. That’s ridiculous, right?

        And if you do get cheated on, that sucks I guess, if you assign value to that or have agreed not to, but it’s unlikely to ruin the relationship.

        “I would significantly
        prefer a virgin woman to a woman who was a virgin then raped, as would I
        significantly prefer a virgin woman to a woman who’s only partner had died.”

        I’m the one that lacks basic moral values? D8

        Ok, really, are you expecting to find a woman who has no life experience? Good fucking luck (remember, child brides are bad. 😀 )

        “My concern for virginity is much the same as my concern for
        blood loyalty and aversion towards cruelty to animals. I can come up with
        supporting reasons, but the reasons do not appear to be the cause of my
        feelings. I can’t not care.”

        So you realize it’s irrational… then why promote it? Why judge others for it? I don’t judge people who enjoy heights.

        “Much the same as if I
        found out my long lost brother or sister was actually just a stranger. I feel a
        loss of love.”

        Ok, you seem to be assuming that blood relationships = love. Clearly that is not the case. I have life experience backing that up as well that perhaps you don’t have – blood-related jackasses, awesome friends of the family. Maybe that also helps explain my lack of reverence for genetic relatedness.

      19. opem December 26, 2014 at 12:50 am

        “So men are able to separate their values from their sexuality?”

        Yes.

        “Or they have shitty values?”

        Often.

        “You really are animals?”

        Yes! Sometimes with a capacity for loyalty, empathy, love, self-control, moral courage, etc.

        “How are we supposed to not detest you? Help, seriously, I’m trying really hard.”

        Swallowing the ‘red pill’ and learning game had me struggling with the same question. Imagine how soul-rending it felt to me to observe that sharing my feelings, ideals, empathy and commitment would not make a girl want to fuck me, but punching her in the face, fucking other girls, ignoring her, degrading her, WOULD make her want to fuck me. I harbor a good deal of contempt for women, but I still basically like them. I *think* (hope?) they are capable of love, loyalty, morality, and generally exercising control over their base natures. I know that I am (most of the time). We are all fallen.

        “That doesn’t make sense.”

        The thing that makes a woman appealing as a fuck toy is her physical appearance. No other factor comes anywhere near close to this. As for friendship: I’ve known two girls who were like this, and they both had deep emotional issues. They were depressed, self-absorbed, had little sense of self, no original thoughts, disloyal, no charity or comraderie. Emotional black holes. As for wives and mothers: even if she wasn’t a needy, ungrateful, irresponsible person, she has damaged her capacity to bond through sex. Finally, there’s the shame of caring for the cum bucket of so many other men. Because she has been debased, you debase yourself by valuing her.

        “I’m unsure how genetic tribalism is a defensible moral value. Then again, I’m a person with very prolific ancestors and an extremely common last name, so when some is related to me, it’s like, “Ok. Neat, I guess.” ”

        If someone is family I go out of my way to be generous, presumably moreso than you. Being generous is good. To claim that it didn’t count as a moral value, you would have to be more generous to strangers than I am. Peter Singer talks about something like the widening circle of care. What I want to know is, do you care about, say, a dog more than I do, or do you just care about your family less? If you don’t see value in tribalism, you presumably care about having a flat gradient, whereas it seems to me what is valuable is the volume under the cone.

        “More like saying, ‘The reason to buy $1 million worth of insurance for a $200,000 house is insecurity or fraud.’ You’re wayyyyyyyyyy overreacting. It’s like only wanting to date Asians because their infidelity rates are lower. That’s ridiculous, right?”

        What if I value the house at $1 million?

        “And if you do get cheated on, that sucks I guess, if you assign value to that or have agreed not to, but it’s unlikely to ruin the relationship.”

        You and I are different. Being cheated on by a woman in whom I had significant emotional investment would be absolutely devastating. I’d rather be shot or stabbed (if the wounds were non-lethal). The relationship may not end, but it would certainly be ruined. For this reason, my commitment to a relationship is closely tied to my perceived risk of being cheated on.

        “I’m the one that lacks basic moral values? D8”

        I don’t feel morally obligated to value all women equally, regardless of their past. If you would prefer to have a man who did not have a past of cheating and stealing, that would be perfectly moral. I feel like fornication is wrong, particularly for women. It damages the dignity of the person and harms their ability to form lasting, loving relationships. I feel this on a gut level, but I have also seen it play out in reality. Women have the ‘walk of shame’, until it becomes the walk of shamelessness. They feel shame because they know they are being devalued, however much they try to deny it. I know very promiscuous men who are obviously happy with their lives. In contrast, very promiscuous women have tended to give me an impression of brokenness.

        I once had a ‘walk of guilt’ for abandoning a girl who was really interested in a relationship, and depressed when she found out I was not. She was obviously inexperienced. Her love was innocent. No doubt I’ve made her more jaded to men. The women who had obviously done it before would wake up in the morning, check their phone and leave. The women who hadn’t would want to cuddle, smile at you, shower with you, etc. Inexperienced women would love more freely and be more lovable. Sex meant more to them.

        I want a woman who is faithful, who I can completely and utterly own; sexually and psychologically. I this because I want a lifelong relationship where I am able to love freely and be loved freely, so that I can build a strong family that loves and respects each other. Because of my own psychological constraints, and what I believe about the constraints that exist in female nature, I estimate that virginity, or relative chastity at the very least, will help me obtain this.

        “Ok, really, are you expecting to find a woman who has no life experience? Good fucking luck (remember, child brides are bad. 😀 )”

        I am sad to the extent that I believe I will be unable to, though I remain optimistic. I’m not going to give up hope until I have made a very thorough effort. They are out there. I’m not beyond considering a woman with ‘life experience’, however, she would have to have significant compensatory characteristics.

        “So you realize it’s irrational… then why promote it? Why judge others for it? I don’t judge people who enjoy heights.”

        It’s not irrational, it’s arational. Nobody can derive values from a perfect void of emptiness. Ways of achieving those values can be more or less rational. I share these values and judge people who do not act in accordance with them because there are real human consequences. I am not the only person who feels this way. I don’t know any men who do not value chastity in long term partners. The ones who say they don’t end up voting with their feet.

        “Ok, you seem to be assuming that blood relationships = love. Clearly that is not the case. I have life experience backing that up as well that perhaps you don’t have – blood-related jackasses, awesome friends of the family. Maybe that also helps explain my lack of reverence for genetic relatedness.”

        What I’m saying is that blood relationships facilitate love. All else equal, my love flows more freely to family, to people who think like me, to people who look like me, to people loyal to me, to people emotionally attached to me, to chaste women, to young women, to beautiful women. The loss of these things is bad. The gain of these things is good.

      20. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 6:53 pm

        “So men are able to separate their values from their
        sexuality?”

        “Yes.”>/i>

        That’s fucked up. I’m not sure that’s true. If you were sexually attracted to a child or a person in a coma, would you be able to go through with sexually abusing her or him, if you knew you would have no concrete consequences?

        “”You really are animals?”

        “Yes!”>/i>

        Poor choice of words there. I should have said “inherent degenerates.” I really don’t believe you, knowing the men I know. Many of them are degenerates, but that is because they choose to be degenerates because they think it is easier. Many of them are not – at least my boyfriend is not.

        “soul-rending it felt to me to observe that sharing my feelings, ideals, empathy and commitment would not make a girl want to fuck me, but punching her in the face, fucking other girls, ignoring her, degrading her, WOULD make her want to fuck me.”

        This idea is a lie for everyone except shallow women who are stupid or naive. It could kind of make sense, if you allowed “feelings, ideals, empathy, and commitment” to make you boring and repetitive, which doesn’t have to happen.

        “I harbor a good deal of contempt for women, but I still basically like them. I *think* (hope?) they are capable of love, loyalty, morality, and generally exercising control over their base natures. I know that I am (most of the time). We are all fallen.”

        So not just misogynistic tendencies, but misanthropic? You sure this is the direction you want to take your life?

        “The thing that makes a woman appealing as a fuck toy is her physical appearance. No other factor comes anywhere near close to this.”

        Skill, contribution to the world… Damn, you seem so dead inside. Endorsing the PUA/”red piller” ideals is a slow emotional suicide. You can stop, and live again.

        “They were depressed, self-absorbed, had little sense of self, no original thoughts, disloyal, no charity or comraderie. Emotional black holes.”

        Those are the reasons they were unappealing as wives or mothers, not their lack of prudishness or lack of conceptualization of sex as dirty.

        “she has damaged her capacity to bond through
        sex.”

        What is the capacity to bond through sex based on? Emotional closeness? Mutual generosity? Or exclusivity, which is in and of itself shallow and is also, by the way, something that club kids often really value in a club. Is a woman just a club to you?

        Women who value sexual inexperience/”purity” who then have sex with someone do seem to become somewhat blind to faults in and mistreatment from their partners, but this is not at all indicative of love or bonding; it is indicative of being afraid to see it and leave the partner, and subsequently be labeled a “whore” by assholes. That’s all. I used to be a little bit like that; it ended up almost getting me killed. Back to the drawing board!

        “there’s the shame of caring for the cum bucket of so many other men. Because she has been debased, you debase yourself by valuing her.”

        Only if you buy into that fucked up value system. I’m sure that back during segregation (and now in backward places), white men were shamed if they fell in love with black women. That doesn’t mean they were debasing themselves, just that they were being debased by ethically bankrupt others.

        “To claim that it didn’t count as a moral value, you would have to be more generous to strangers than I am.”

        No I wouldn’t; what?

        “What I want to know is, do you care about, say,
        a dog more than I do, or do you just care about your family less?”

        I care about people with whom I have relationships. Sometimes that overlaps with family. There isn’t a “blood-related family vs. total stranger” dichotomy, unless you are in a very odd situation and literally only know people you are blood-related to. An arbitrary set of genetic markers usually doesn’t enter into it. Ultimately, we’re all related.

        “What if I value the house at $1 million?”

        ….Then you’re delusional? Still overkill.

        “Being cheated on by a woman in whom I had significant emotional investment would be absolutely devastating. I’d rather be shot or stabbed”

        As someone who has survived both from a partner, I can tell you that being cheated on is really not that big a deal if you don’t feel a twisted need to own and control the other person and you talk about why it happened. The reason it happened has the potential to be a really big deal or be something you can overcome (“I actually secretly hate you for being unable to fulfill my unreasonable demands and am lashing out at you,” vs. “I feel like you don’t love me anymore and was trying to soothe myself,”).

        “For this reason, my commitment to a relationship is closely tied to my perceived risk of being cheated on.”

        I’m torn about how to express this, but I feel it needs to be said, so I’m just going to say it simply: that’s really immature. Immaturity is not a valid or defensible value system.

        “I don’t feel morally obligated to value all women equally, regardless of their past.”

        Nor do I; I just don’t devalue people for having done things that are not wrong. I also think people can find redemption in a variety of ways.

        “I feel like fornication is wrong, particularly for women. It damages the dignity of the person and harms their ability to form lasting, loving relationships. I feel this on a gut level, but I have also seen it play out in reality. Women have the ‘walk of shame’, until it becomes the walk of shamelessness. They feel shame because they know they are being devalued, however much they try to deny it. I know very promiscuous men who are obviously happy with their lives. In contrast, very promiscuous women have tended to give me an impression of brokenness.”

        This is circular reasoning. Because some parts of society denigrate women for expressing their sexuality, those parts of society must be justified in denigrating women for expressing their sexuality? And you’d like to follow suit with that? I’m starting to wonder if you weren’t sexually rejected for “being nice,” but for being a follower. You don’t have to be a follower; thinking for yourself is kind of hard, but ultimately being a follower is harder.

        “She was obviously inexperienced. Her love was
        innocent.”

        Experience vs. innocence is not a real set of opposites. Experience vs. naivite and innocence vs. guilt are the actual opposites.

        “The women who had obviously done it before would wake up in the morning, check their phone and leave. The women who hadn’t would want to cuddle, smile at you, shower with you, etc.”

        The women who still liked you after sexually checking you out and/or the women who weren’t busy are the ones who would cuddle, etc. That has nothing to do with whether or not they have had sex before. How are you not getting that? I’m wondering if you’re not thinking of women as people and imagining that they might have a wide variety of motivations, very much like men?

        When I decided to have PIV sex for the first time, I really thought I was in love. For all intents and purposes, I was, although he slowly became abusive over the years. Anyway, the sex was gross (almost no foreplay, painful, fast pumping for four-ish minutes, sweat fell in my mouth, happened in a house inhabited by hoarders), and I wanted to get out of there afterwards. That didn’t mean I didn’t assign it a high degree of meaning at the time.

        “who I can completely and utterly own; sexually and psychologically.”

        Why? What do you think will happen if you don’t own the other person? What value does doing that have? Don’t you feel that owning another person damages you?

        “where I am able to love freely and be loved
        freely, so that I can build a strong family that loves and respects each other.”

        It sounds like you want to be unconditionally accepted and committed to, and still have mutual respect. How do you respect someone who would stay with you if you started doing something really wrong, like hitting her or him, or your kids? How do you respect someone you own? How could she respect someone so hypocritical as to expect unconditional love but then impose harsh expectations on a partner?

        Here’s another suggestion: go for stable and dependable, not unconditional. This is basically unconditional to a point.

        “…I believe about the constraints that exist in female nature, I estimate that virginity, or relative chastity at the very least, will help me obtain this.”

        I just really don’t think this is a good metric in today’s society. Maybe in the 1700’s or something, but… yeah.

        “I’m not beyond considering a woman with ‘life experience’, however, she would have to have significant compensatory characteristics.”

        Go for it. These “compensatory characteristics” you speak of sound like they might be real, solid reasons to love someone.

        “It’s not irrational, it’s arational.”

        I understand that this is emotional and outside of logic for you, but if you’re going for a lasting relationship, remember several things.

        First, the somehow much-trusted study about women having more nonmarital sexual partners being correlated with divorce is is not only sloppy (mislabeled charts, questionable scientific decisions), but is from the Heritage foundation, which is not a peer-reviewed journal, but rather is a right-wing think tank with questionable integrity that employs researchers who have written things like ‘immigrants have lower IQ’s – it’s science, keep ’em out!’. It also takes a large amount of statistical gymnastics to even attempt to disentangle economic and educational levels from Heritage’s figures. There may be something to it, but there are a lot of other things that matter as well, and have better evidence.

        Also, please remember that premarital sex is totally normal, age differences increase the likelihood of splitting up, and that every year a woman waits to get married up until her early thirties decreases her chance of divorce. Taken together, this information points you toward getting married to someone in her early thirties, when you are the same age, as a good bet for avoiding divorce. That person will probably have had sex before, let’s be real here.

        You will also want to date for a long time (three years with no sex? What?), make lots of money, be religious and attend religious services, not particularly care about her physical attractiveness, and not marry someone who particularly cares how much money you make, have a big, but cheap wedding, and go on a honeymoon. You will want to only date Asian women, never black women – sounds reasonable, right? You’re also going to want to only date women who do not get sexually excited easily, but are sexually compatible with you – oh boy. She should be college-educated, and so should you, but she can’t make more money than you, or you’ll cheat. Also make sure to live in the country. Vibrant cultural centers are a no-no.

        Or you could just live your life with an open heart and accept some risk. Maybe get some therapy.

        “there are real human consequences.”

        There are real human consequences to misogyny, too.

        “All else equal, my love flows more freely to family, to people who think like me, to people who look like me, to people loyal to me, to people emotionally attached to me”

        I get what you’re saying and somewhat agree, but not to the extent that you are endorsing this. Aren’t you afraid you’ll miss out on great people because you don’t (seem to?) value open-mindedness?

      21. opem December 27, 2014 at 8:41 am

        “That’s fucked up. I’m not sure that’s true. If you were sexually attracted to a child or a person in a coma, would you be able to go through with sexually abusing her or him, if you knew you would have no concrete consequences?”

        I thought you were advocating least-suffering utilitarianism? If I subscribed to that value system, then absolutely. To answer the question, if I was horny enough, I would not be able to stop myself from going through with it. I wouldn’t think to stop myself. But I would feel guilty about it, or at the very least deeply ashamed of myself. Or I’d skip those feelings and go straight to calling myself a utilitarian.

        “Poor choice of words there. I should have said “inherent degenerates.” I really don’t believe you, knowing the men I know. Many of them are degenerates, but that is because they choose to be degenerates because they think it is easier. Many of them are not – at least my boyfriend is not.”

        Without my conscience to constrain my behavior, I am an inherent degenerate. My base desires are degenerate, but I am more than my base desires: I am a human being with dignity. I am proud of the times I handled opportunities to cheat, but I don’t deny the gravity of the temptation.

        “This idea is a lie for everyone except shallow women who are stupid or naive. It could kind of make sense, if you allowed “feelings, ideals, empathy, and commitment” to make you boring and repetitive, which doesn’t have to happen.”

        Bullshit. You are an inherent degenerate too. I’d love to prove it to you. The times when I felt like I had crossed a line were exactly the times girls’ eyes looked like they’d dropped ecstasy. See: prevalence of rape fantasies in women.

        “So not just misogynistic tendencies, but misanthropic? You sure this is the direction you want to take your life?”

        The alternative is to delude myself.

        “Skill, contribution to the world… Damn, you seem so dead inside. Endorsing the PUA/”red piller” ideals is a slow emotional suicide. You can stop, and live again.”

        Look at a porn website some time for a glimpse into the male id. “Accomplished important woman romances man” yeah, right… You are projecting; you assume that men must want in women what you want in men. Compare with romance novels for a glimpse into the female id, where skill, importance, power is a frequent fixture of male romantic interests.

        Real emotional suicide comes from denying the source of our passions.

        “Those are the reasons they were unappealing as wives or mothers, not their lack of prudishness or lack of conceptualization of sex as dirty.”

        I’ll grant you that a lack of prudishness is a good thing for a wife, but not when it causes her to be promiscuous.

        “What is the capacity to bond through sex based on? Emotional closeness? Mutual generosity? Or exclusivity, which is in and of itself shallow and is also, by the way, something that club kids often really value in a club. Is a woman just a club to you?”

        I think its a chemical response, probably oxytocin related. The sex itself creates closeness, generosity, exclusivity, etc, which are rationalizations for the underlying chemical drive, but the more different people you have sex with, the less powerful this effect becomes.

        The existence of this effect is corroborated by the experiences of my friends as well. A joke I was told recently: What’s the difference between a virgin and a washing machine? You can dump your load in a washing machine and it won’t follow you around for 6 months.

        “Women who value sexual inexperience/”purity” who then have sex with someone do seem to become somewhat blind to faults in and mistreatment from their partners, but this is not at all indicative of love or bonding; it is indicative of being afraid to see it and leave the partner, and subsequently be labeled a “whore” by assholes. That’s all. I used to be a little bit like that; it ended up almost getting me killed. Back to the drawing board!”

        Perhaps you would have a different opinion if your first partner was someone you were ultimately compatible with?

        “Only if you buy into that fucked up value system. I’m sure that back during segregation (and now in backward places), white men were shamed if they fell in love with black women. That doesn’t mean they were debasing themselves, just that they were being debased by ethically bankrupt others.”

        Right. But I do buy into it. Many men do. Sexual jealousy is one of the 200 human universals. Call it backward all you want, it won’t make it go away. The real fucked up value system is the one that thinks that the values humans hold are arbitrary and perfectly malleable to propaganda, and as a consequence degrades the bonds that hold men and women together. Its the same as the ‘fat acceptance’ movement. My preference for thin women is at a deeper level than belief.

        “I care about people with whom I have relationships. Sometimes that overlaps with family. There isn’t a “blood-related family vs. total stranger” dichotomy, unless you are in a very odd situation and literally only know people you are blood-related to. An arbitrary set of genetic markers usually doesn’t enter into it. Ultimately, we’re all related.”

        I, like you, particularly care about people with whom I have relationships, but if I also particularly care about people who are blood related, then surely I have more ‘particular care’ than you have.

        “….Then you’re delusional? Still overkill.”

        I value my relationship significantly more than you. You are the one committing emotional suicide.

        “As someone who has survived both from a partner, I can tell you that being cheated on is really not that big a deal if you don’t feel a twisted need to own and control the other person and you talk about why it happened. The reason it happened has the potential to be a really big deal or be something you can overcome (“I actually secretly hate you for being unable to fulfill my unreasonable demands and am lashing out at you,” vs. “I feel like you don’t love me anymore and was trying to soothe myself,”).”

        I can conceive of being in relationships where being cheated on would not affect me – these are relationships where I do not feel a deep emotional attachment to my partner. My sense of possessiveness and my sense of love are sewn together in my mind. When I excise one, I excise the other.

        “I’m torn about how to express this, but I feel it needs to be said, so I’m just going to say it simply: that’s really immature. Immaturity is not a valid or defensible value system.”

        This reminds me of an argument I had with a girl advocating polyamory. I told her that I could say the same words and do the same things, but that I would care less and be less attached to my partner; that what she was proposing was promiscuity by another name. She said something to the effect of “maybe you’re not mature enough for polyamory”.

        Presumably you, like her, think that basing a relationship on physical fidelity is ‘immature’, and that a mature relationship should be based on things like love, respect, understanding. A relationship based on physical fidelity is a valid and defensible value system because it is objective. Physical fidelity is real in a way that ‘love’, ‘respect’, ‘understanding’ can never be. You don’t want to agree to terms that you can’t bullshit out of – that is immature.

        “This is circular reasoning. Because some parts of society denigrate women for expressing their sexuality, those parts of society must be justified in denigrating women for expressing their sexuality? And you’d like to follow suit with that? I’m starting to wonder if you weren’t sexually rejected for “being nice,” but for being a follower. You don’t have to be a follower; thinking for yourself is kind of hard, but ultimately being a follower is harder.”

        I don’t think you’re trying very hard to understand why I believe what I do. The harm is done regardless of what society believes about it. You can take away ‘slut-shaming’, but you can’t force men to love sluts, nor can you force sluts to love like they could have. A widespread culture of promiscuity makes it less appealing for individuals to pursue non-promiscuous strategies.

        “The women who still liked you after sexually checking you out and/or the women who weren’t busy are the ones who would cuddle, etc. That has nothing to do with whether or not they have had sex before. How are you not getting that? I’m wondering if you’re not thinking of women as people and imagining that they might have a wide variety of motivations, very much like men?”

        Please.

        “When I decided to have PIV sex for the first time, I really thought I was in love. For all intents and purposes, I was, although he slowly became abusive over the years. Anyway, the sex was gross (almost no foreplay, painful, fast pumping for four-ish minutes, sweat fell in my mouth, happened in a house inhabited by hoarders), and I wanted to get out of there afterwards. That didn’t mean I didn’t assign it a high degree of meaning at the time.”

        My overarching point (which you just confirmed) is that sex means more to virgins, and that sex bonds them to their first partner stronger than sex bonds them to consequent partners. Not wanting to cuddle is one point of evidence that, in context, leads to my overall impression – there’s also the desire to meet again, contacting you out of the blue, desiring rapport, etc. The impression is also confirmed by the experiences of my friends. Though I am open to new evidence, and will find ways to ask more people.

        “Why? What do you think will happen if you don’t own the other person? What value does doing that have? Don’t you feel that owning another person damages you?”

        If I do not feel like I own the person, I love less. The relationship becomes more a matter of genteel convenience, less a matter of gripping passion. To feel that strength of connection is a beautiful experience. I do not feel damaged by that, no. I don’t know if you realize, but the ownership flows both ways. If I love a woman, she has immense control over me.

        “It sounds like you want to be unconditionally accepted and committed to, and still have mutual respect. How do you respect someone who would stay with you if you started doing something really wrong, like hitting her or him, or your kids? How do you respect someone you own? How could she respect someone so hypocritical as to expect unconditional love but then impose harsh expectations on a partner?”

        Lets play out two scenarios of me hitting her. 1) I’m hitting her; she breaks down in tears and says “I love you”. 2) I’m hitting her; she struggles free, says “this is the last straw, you asshole! I’m leaving”.

        In the first scenario, I stop, burst into tears and embrace her. We inevitably fuck. We love each other more than ever. In the second scenario, I feel angry as hell. Even if I was in the wrong, I don’t feel it.

        This is the power of submission. It is incredibly moving and I absolutely respect it in a woman.

        “Here’s another suggestion: go for stable and dependable, not unconditional. This is basically unconditional to a point.”

        Sound advice.

        “I just really don’t think this is a good metric in today’s society. Maybe in the 1700’s or something, but… yeah.”

        We disagree.

        “Also, please remember that premarital sex is totally normal”

        Please remember that it it totally abnormal for thriving civilizations.

        “age differences increase the likelihood of splitting up, and that every year a woman waits to get married up until her early thirties decreases her chance of divorce. ”

        Lock-step with the supply of men interested in her. What a coincidence!

        “Taken together, this information points you toward getting married to someone in her early thirties, when you are the same age, as a good bet for avoiding divorce. That person will probably have had sex before, let’s be real here.”

        I care about the quality of the marriage, not simply its risk of dissolution. Things that increase the quality include youth, beauty, shared experiences, absolute physical fidelity, family environment, compatibility, passion, love, etc.

        Let’s be real here. Why would I wait 10 years to marry a woman who has spent the best of her beauty with other men? 1.3 kids with an increased likelihood of Downs syndrome? Fuck off. You make me want to fight for IS.

        “Or you could just live your life with an open heart and accept some risk. Maybe get some therapy.”

        You assume my that heart is closed and I do not take risks. This is not true. My heart is simply more open to chaste women.

        “I get what you’re saying and somewhat agree, but not to the extent that you are endorsing this. Aren’t you afraid you’ll miss out on great people because you don’t (seem to?) value open-mindedness?”

        This would be true if I was not open-minded. My views on most things are drastically different to the views I was educated with, the views of my friends, the views of the media.

      22. sharp December 31, 2014 at 10:29 pm

        For all your blather in support of an ostensibly socially progressive philosophy and alleged “trying really hard” to understand the other side, what strikes me most about this exchange and the other nuggets of shit you dropped throughout this thread is your complete inability to walk just a meter in someone else’s shoes. But even that remarkable lack of empathy doesn’t hold a candle to your admission that not only you see little value in raising one’s own flesh and blood progeny as opposed to someone else’s (!) – a value system diametrically at odds with the value system of the vast majority of normal, psychologically healthy human beings everywhere in the world – but that speaking in favour of it is “embarrassingly conceited” and akin to defending the indefensible (!!) I’m not sure if I’m attributing to malice what I should simply be ascribing to naiveté, but either way, “wow, just wow” actually seems appropriate here.

        Kudos to opem for his levelheaded tone in the face of your wholly unjustified sarcastic abuse. I certainly would not have been as charitable. Now you crazy bitch, what the fuck is your dysfunction, and how does that sad sack of a boyfriend of yours even begin to tolerate it? I suppose the question answers itself, but still. Madness.

      23. snowden_farted December 26, 2014 at 6:53 pm

        your education does not make you more attractive

        most guys can do not care

        beauty and youth are the drivers

        wealthy family is a nice backup to have to help buttress a lack of beauty or youth.

        …..ever wonder why old rich men have hot young wives but not vice versa?

      24. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 9:44 pm

        Education makes me more attractive to decent men.

        The male rich old perv/female young gold-digging airhead thing is more prevalent both because it is more excused and because women have been socialized to be less shallow and more caring, but it is changing. There are sugar mamas now.

  12. John December 15, 2014 at 11:54 am

    AMEN. Arguably the best article of 2014.

  13. Dave6034 December 15, 2014 at 12:03 pm

    This too shall pass. The economy will decline further, law and order will become patchy, and if you aren’t a broke-ass hobo, some skanky single mother will beg beg beg you to marry her 12-year-old virgin daughter before she gets gang-raped by vibrants. Feminism is the end of civilization, and banditry is the end of feminism.

    1. finndistan December 15, 2014 at 12:41 pm

      Feminism is the end of civilization, and the savagery that follows is the end of feminism.

      1. 1812 Immigrant December 18, 2014 at 4:27 pm

        Let the collapse begin! Feminism is a worldwide plague and is doing no good excepting a police state and welfare state which panders to women.

      2. DGCJ September 30, 2015 at 4:50 pm

        How many gay pride parades have you attended?
        I live five blocks from it, and have been many times. Most of the men I see are quite manly, and very very attractive.
        You should get out of your small town more often.

    2. Schultz December 15, 2014 at 2:42 pm

      “if you aren’t a broke-ass hobo, some skanky single mother will beg beg beg you to marry her 12-year-old virgin daughter ”

      The decline is not coming as fast as we’d like. I would at least enjoy to see it all hit the fan and all who bought into the decline run for their lives; I would at least feel a little vindication.

    3. Amanda December 15, 2014 at 3:03 pm

      oh my fucking gosh….do you condone child molestation you fucking sexist pig?

      1. splooge December 15, 2014 at 9:23 pm

        kids are having kids too. do you condone that,now that feminism and leftist politics are teaching kids younger and younger.

        this only belongs in 3rd world countrys due to low life expectancy, it has no room for here.

      2. chiiill December 21, 2014 at 9:01 pm

        Obviously 12-year-olds who are pregnant should be getting abortions. Children who get pregnant at age 14 or younger are statistically more likely to have their pregnancy be the result of incest, so they should probably be getting some sort of investigation as well.

      3. Dave6034 December 16, 2014 at 8:56 pm

        If she’s old enough to legally get an abortion without her parents or the police knowing about it, she’s old enough to be married.

    4. Northy December 16, 2014 at 2:51 am

      I actually want the collapse to happen.

    5. joe December 19, 2014 at 6:41 pm

      Your an idiot, Iraq has feminism nowhere near it though you have men marrying nine month old babies and raping them to death. How is feminism cause that when it doesn’t? If anything it is these senseless wars that is causing americs to go bankrupt.

    6. chiiill December 21, 2014 at 9:00 pm

      The way you talk about people begging you to rape their daughters is extremely creepy. It’s like you’re fantasizing about it, nasty.

      1. Dave6034 December 21, 2014 at 9:31 pm

        As much as we’ll enjoy ravishing our young brides, we’ll get even greater pleasure watching millions of strong independent womyn struggle to survive without their government-funded jobs in education, healthcare, and social services.

      2. chiiill December 21, 2014 at 10:27 pm

        So you actually do fantasize about raping little girls. #Classy. Interesting correlation between your salivating enthusiasm about raping children and your denigration of productive, nurturing people. I’m learning a lot here.

      3. Dave6034 December 22, 2014 at 1:26 am

        Shame is a very powerful tool for controlling women, so women assume that it’s effective against men too. It isn’t. When a normal, healthy man (i.e. the 95% who aren’t gay or pedo) sees something with tits, he wants to fuck it, and the only deterrent is other men who would imprison or kill him for it.

      4. chiiill December 22, 2014 at 12:47 pm

        So you’re telling me all men are rapists. Got it.

      5. snowden_farted December 26, 2014 at 6:55 pm

        so your’re telling me feminist troll this message board.

        Got it.

      6. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 9:45 pm

        So happy togetheerrrrrrrrr!

      7. snowden_farted December 26, 2014 at 10:11 pm

        No, I just enjoy calling out the trolls when I see them

        standard practice sweetheart

        this makes it easier for others to recognize slags like yourself and to not engage in your attempts to misdirect or fill the comments.

        other than continuing to call you out for trolling, nothing more to say to you feminista.

      8. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 10:16 pm

        You’re just really dedicated. So, so dedicated. And not saying anything else to add to the conversation.

        “Slags”? Ooh, do we have a Brit in the house?

        Are you calling me “feminista” because even to you, using “feminist” as an insult sounds ridiculous?

      9. snowden_farted December 26, 2014 at 10:23 pm

        this will be my final comment to you

        i am not British

        The RooshV has Breitbart articles have spoken for me quite well actually. My opinion is in alignment with theirs for the most part.

        I am here to identify trolls – my work is done here.

        feminist, feminista, feminazi…..same thing, different names

        pathetic creatures….

        MGTOW for the win….!

      10. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 10:27 pm

        Where else do they say “slag”? Lol, you like Breitbart? How fitting.

      11. snowden_farted December 26, 2014 at 6:54 pm

        more like trolling a lot here

      12. Dave6034 December 22, 2014 at 4:47 pm

        In our minds, yes, but men thuggish enough to actually commit rape don’t have to anymore; with today’s feral women they get laid so easily it isn’t funny.

      13. chiiill December 24, 2014 at 1:27 pm

        Then why are people still getting raped? Oh, right, freaky desire for power.

      14. Dave6034 December 24, 2014 at 11:39 pm

        People are still dying of polio too, but the trend is pretty clear:

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rapes_per_1000_people_1973-2003.jpg

        The media works very hard to tell us about this plague of rape by white frat boys, but every case they publicize turns out to be a hoax. Why not report real rapes for a change? Because the perps are too swarthy to fit the narrative?

        Rich white frat boys don’t rape for the same reason they don’t rob banks.

      15. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 9:48 pm

        The stats are encouraging. Rape doesn’t have to be increasing for it to be concerning.

        What do you mean by “real rapes”?

        Rich white frat boys do rob banks; they just do it from the inside.

  14. Anon. December 15, 2014 at 12:15 pm

    Polish women are exactly like this, I have never understood your praise for them.

    Russian and Ukrainian I understand, but Polish? They are the some of hardest carousel-riders in the whole of Europe.

    1. guest1975 December 17, 2014 at 2:50 am

      I can second that due to own experience in 2013.

    2. chiiill December 21, 2014 at 9:03 pm

      Yeah, but the Polish women praised around here have the requisite contempt for intellectual pursuits and self improvement that so many here seem to crave.

  15. Billy Boyd December 15, 2014 at 12:29 pm

    Unfortunately, I think as men we have to write this entire generation of young women off. The average young western woman is a huge mess. Sure, there may be a small handful of quality young women out there, but statistically you or I will not find them. Plus, there’s already a guy on that.

    I’ve been with dozens upon dozens of women in my life. Mediocrity is the common bond between all of them. There just isn’t that much about the average young Western woman that is worth getting excited about. How much blue hair and badly placed tattoos can a man really put up with?

    This current generation of women is a mess; far worse off that the young males, who seem to take all the heat about being fuck ups.

    1. Schultz December 15, 2014 at 2:44 pm

      “Unfortunately, I think as men we have to write this entire generation of young women off”

      Agreed; but it does suck….

    2. Amanda December 15, 2014 at 2:59 pm

      I bet if a woman in Toronto offered you to kiss her fartbox, you will be first in line to kiss it, MORON.

      1. manmax December 15, 2014 at 3:49 pm

        Why Amanda you kinky, kinky woman

        I never expected that from you.

        I’m in total shock right now

      2. splooge December 15, 2014 at 9:25 pm

        ewwwww, make it a russian woman and you got a deal

      3. GRock December 15, 2014 at 9:58 pm

        Western women aren’t hygienic enough for that shit. literally. Live laugh love…

      4. 1812 Immigrant December 18, 2014 at 4:26 pm

        some gay ass shit

      5. snowden_farted December 26, 2014 at 6:57 pm

        Amanda, something tells me that you enjoy a little licky licky yourself….

        Enjoy the fun that comes when looks fade and age sets in….you deserve it.

      6. deepblue9 December 31, 2015 at 12:40 pm

        Wrong. Is your surname Knox, by the way?

  16. Joe December 15, 2014 at 12:42 pm

    The first time I heard this song on the pop airwaves (I don’t listen to pop radio but I was in someone else’s car riding with them) I had an a immediate thought this generation is ruined. Wow.

    I can look in Toves eyes and see the damage and as I’ve heard the term on rvf the “thousand cock stare”. It’s gruesome man for guys too- this whole
    Mass fornication is like animals and is evil. It’s the path to hell. We need repentance from our sins and the love of Jesus Christ in our lives to get our minds and hearts right. I knew as a little boy old school Americans who’d be 80s and 90yos if they were still alive and they were by and large a moral and stable group of people. They married one person young, pray with and for you, we’re honest and fair in all their interactions, and were a decent common sense people. Today our cultures lost that and it will only get worse until we return to God and moral decency. I don’t want game any more I want Gods love and guidance and to live a decent woman with the same love in a marital covenant with her.

    1. Amanda December 15, 2014 at 2:58 pm

      Jesus Christ was a sexist, rape-apologist pig! He died because he healed the rapists and child molesters! Even the Progressive Conservatives are doing a better job in protecting women than Jesus Fucking Christ.

      1. manmax December 15, 2014 at 3:50 pm

        Jesus forgives you child

      2. Joe December 15, 2014 at 4:29 pm

        Lies!

        You need God in your life and to know true healing and love for your life through Christs cleansing blood. You need led out of the darkness of sin and into Gods path of light. I pray God would open your eyes and save you. Tell Jesus you are a sinner and sorry for your sins and ask him to come into your heart to save you and make you whole. God bless you.

      3. fokkertism December 16, 2014 at 8:06 am

        Who is your god then? Anita Sarkeesian?

      4. 1812 Immigrant December 18, 2014 at 4:25 pm

        FUCK Anita Sarkeesian and her Toronto femiNazis like Amanda

      5. guest1975 December 17, 2014 at 2:54 am

        Don’t you realize how broken you sound, vomiting hatred into the forum! Most of the people here don’t count on “you sexist pig” as an acceptable form of adress.

    2. chiiill December 21, 2014 at 9:09 pm

      Damn, you’re like that prayer card serial killer from SVU.

  17. Sombro December 15, 2014 at 1:06 pm

    Brutal. But all too true.

  18. Sanelity December 15, 2014 at 1:15 pm

    This makes me think it is getting to be time for Dalrock to do a follow-up entry to his post on never-marrieds piling up. Which will come first, mass MGTOW or a reduction in the average age at first marriage? Without the latter dropping, the former is a done deal.

  19. ray December 15, 2014 at 1:33 pm

    Sexual degeneracy is rife is America and the West, and the solution is to game/bang more women? Uh, no.

    1. Aryan Jesuite December 15, 2014 at 1:41 pm

      yeah ray’s right – you men need to man up and treat the women with respect and dignity so the empowered go gurrrls can get back to being less degenerate.

      1. Amanda December 15, 2014 at 2:57 pm

        Are you sarcastic? Women need to be treated with dignity. YOU were born out of a woman, YOU were breastfed by a WOMAN. Do you hate your mother?

      2. manmax December 15, 2014 at 3:52 pm

        The old Micheal Jackson song comes to mind:

        If there is love i’ll be there

      3. rhasa December 15, 2014 at 4:14 pm

        my mother did not go whoring around

      4. splooge December 15, 2014 at 9:31 pm

        to get respect, you must earn it.
        Being born a with certain features doesnt automatically give you more respect. Its an elitist mindset. Like should a white person get more respect then a black person?
        a parent is a title, like any other job. And how one acts will determine if they are respected too.
        women can also be madames, killers crackhores as well by that logic they shouldnt give given respect.
        The patriarchy is too tolerant of people like you

      5. Aryan Jesuite December 16, 2014 at 12:22 am

        dignity for women – but not for men – at least not for men like me who dare cite female hypocrisy and blah blah mother issues blah blah sperm seed egg blah blah hate… shame, guilt and accusations the typical tripe from feminists.

      6. Aryan Jesuite December 16, 2014 at 11:38 am

        sarcastic reaction to a mangina who misplaces accountability onto men – Amanda’s predictable reaction : Guilt Shame & Hate : specifically : woman hater : next

      7. guest1975 December 17, 2014 at 2:56 am

        Tada! Entitlement all over the place! What has ones mother to do with your respectless, illogical rant?

      8. 1812 Immigrant December 18, 2014 at 4:24 pm

        YOURE A WHORE from TORONTO. GET OVER WITH IT B-I-T-C-H

      9. ray December 15, 2014 at 5:46 pm

        Pretty lame boyo. Stick to the Joo hating, it won’t tax your brain as much.

      10. Aryan Jesuite December 16, 2014 at 12:23 am

        ouch

      11. Hugo December 16, 2014 at 12:26 pm

        Who got-
        The unscinscionable bailouts (Goldman Sachs)?
        Knew what to do to play us on 9/11 and got us in a perceptual war as well as far us an even bigger more gruesome police state in America (Chertoff, Liberman etc)?
        Controls Hollywood?
        Puts Gmos in the food?

        It’s frustrating seeing naievete like this. Check out realzionistnews.com and powerofprophecy.com

  20. Marshallaw December 15, 2014 at 1:51 pm

    Shit, really hit the planet at the wrong time….”a mindless and shallow consumer fuck robot in her stead”…. oh well might as well take advantage of the fuck robots….fucky fucky….

    1. Amanda December 15, 2014 at 3:01 pm

      OMG you take advantage of helpless women? Screen captured your comment in case you delete your rape-apologist comment

      1. manmax December 15, 2014 at 3:54 pm

        No my dear,

        He is talking about the androids the Japanese are making.

        Tip: google Geminoid F

      2. rhasa December 15, 2014 at 4:15 pm

        how is she now all of a sudden helpess?
        she exercises her choices, as you put it in other comments, to fuck around, and you’ve just called her helpless.
        you nitwit.

      3. Tom Dane December 15, 2014 at 8:24 pm

        Watch out or I will rape you with a big black dildo.

      4. splooge December 15, 2014 at 9:52 pm

        women helpless, then they really arent equal to men. In fact more like children if what you say is true

      5. GRock December 16, 2014 at 1:16 am

        I only take advantage of victimized women, so pretty much all of them who are fuckable, according to the stories of vicitimization they tell me…. like fuck-bots. the script is the same.

      6. Marshallaw December 16, 2014 at 7:07 am

        Why would I delete anything…. you are the one talking about the “r” word. “Helpless women”, whatever happened to strong and independent women making their own “choices”, blah, blah, etc., etc. Go away you silly woman……

  21. Jim Beem December 15, 2014 at 2:02 pm

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNUgsbKisp8

    Watch that. Those were role models for American women about 50 years ago. It’s mind boggling how much a culture can transform (read: degenerate) within the span of just five decades.

    What will the next 50 years bring?

    1. Amanda December 15, 2014 at 3:00 pm

      Women have the right to dress how they want to dress in Canada. If she wants to show her breasts who gives you the fucking right to stare rape her you fucking chauvinist sexist pig! Why don’t you kiss my ass you fucking moron!

      1. manmax December 15, 2014 at 3:56 pm

        Ah yes……….

        Research is being done by the University Of Toronto on voluntary blindness as we speak

      2. Clark Kent December 15, 2014 at 9:03 pm

        People like you make me embarrassed to be from Toronto.

      3. splooge December 15, 2014 at 9:38 pm

        if you have the right to dress as you please, I have the right to look and say whatever I please, dont like it, deal with it.
        We dont need permission for that. Who gives you the right to behave that way.
        Plus in multi cult toronto, among indian and middle eastern migrants, staring is not taboo….sounds like sublte racism on your part

      4. guest1975 December 17, 2014 at 3:12 am

        And men have the right to look, even if you degenrated feminazis call that horrendibly stupid “eye rape”. The only reason one should kiss your ass is, it seems much cleaner than your filthy mouth.

      5. 1812 Immigrant December 18, 2014 at 4:23 pm

        Women have the right to dress how they want to dress in Canada BECAUSE THEY ARE GIVEN PRIVILEGES AND ENTITLEMENTS

        . If she
        wants to show her breasts SHE IS A PERVERTED BITCH! Why don’t you LOOK AT AMANDA’S WRINKLY ass SHE IS A
        fucking moron!

      6. deepblue9 December 31, 2015 at 12:43 pm

        You obviously know nothing about human nature, much less male nature. If you show your breasts, don’t be surprised if men look at them. “Stare rape”? Idiot.

    2. Dogbert II December 15, 2014 at 3:53 pm

      To look at that video and compare those ladies with the average, cuntish whores we have to put up with today puts it all in perspective and makes the whole picture so much more saddening.

    3. Hugo December 15, 2014 at 4:35 pm

      It’s like it’s from a different Universe. Man it’s getting bad.
      Question if the day-
      Who controls Hollywood aka what media the masses digest and ultimately live by?

      1. Ian December 15, 2014 at 9:34 pm

        I bet most guys really bemoaning the degenracy are over 30 at least. You guys don’t know what an old school loving Christian American house was like. It was so awesome- love, peace, joy, commraderie, culture, identity- its what made America great and the loss of that is the worse tragedy. As a small boy I only saw a small glance of that kind if wholesomeness as its almost alien now but man it was so nice-‘big families where brothers and sisters hugged each other and people would chat pleasantly for hours- it just felt right. My Dad who’s almost 55 said when he was a boy the men at his Grandfathers Sunday school class told him- When you are our age you will not recognize this Country anymore and these dudes all would go out and feed poor children after work and pray for the Church and community as well as witness to people. Many were WW2 vets not the Ned Flanders girly man cliche the media likes to attach to churchgoers.

      2. YosarriansRight December 15, 2014 at 9:43 pm

        I get saddened when my Uncle, a Korean War vet, says (of the USA): “This is what I fought for?’

      3. splooge December 15, 2014 at 9:51 pm

        ya not much different with immigrant parents raising their kids here.
        “this is the land I want to raise my kids in?”
        Honestly I dont blame em for not wanting to integrate, and why they make these communities,ghettos or zones or try for special rights cause they dont want their kids to fucked up like their friends whom they try so hard to fit in with.
        THey come here for safety and money,not to morally corrupt their kids.
        Honestly who wants their kid to be miley cyrus or justin beiber

      4. YosarriansRight December 15, 2014 at 10:01 pm

        Good points.

      5. Marlon December 16, 2014 at 1:36 am

        Roosh
        In Scandinavia is the Linsay Lohan partied out rough look like the singer of that gross song “Habits” common among the women?

      6. Roosh_V December 16, 2014 at 9:16 am

        Yeah it’s common. Scandinavian girls look decent when they are young but you see the rough slags trying to hold onto their youth in the clubs.

      7. dorabella December 17, 2014 at 4:44 am

        Exactly like you, Roosh, exactly like you

      8. 1812 Immigrant December 18, 2014 at 4:21 pm

        Roosh gets more women than the amount of attention you get from men…This is why you join feminism in Toronto and cause havoc on the world economy!

      9. dorabella December 18, 2014 at 5:27 pm

        Toronto? what the fuck are you even talking about?

      10. gizzard of oz December 17, 2014 at 6:46 pm

        Sorry Gents, but even in those videos, there’s plenty of examples of debauchery, cleavage showing, sultry skin exposure, etc. If you’re saying what we lost was slightly slimmer women, then it’s a reasonable point. Of course things were better in the past, but those very videos (among plenty of others) helped grease the cultural slide into the sewage pit where we are now. People look back with fondness at society and women of the 50s, but don’t forget that those ‘classic beauties’ were rampant hollywood/showbiz whores nonetheless. Marilyn Monroe had more abortions than can be counted on both hands, for example. Definitely, it goes without saying that things have gotten generally worse, whether for celebrities, or the common schmuck in the streets, and the thin veneer of civility has been completely discarded. It’s a difficult mental exercise to be constantly aware that the rare beauty you see in the street, is the figurative ‘spunk spittoon’ mentioned in the article, having taken barrel-loads of ball-juice in their short carousel careers. It’s kind of harrowing, since it precludes relationships of any kind, if you’re setting very high standards for yourself.

      11. gizzard of oz December 17, 2014 at 8:16 pm

        The chipping away at family values and traditions was begun by communist ‘counter-culturists’. As we know, feminism is another chisel in their box of tricks, and really sprang up around when these videos were made

      12. chiiill December 21, 2014 at 9:22 pm

        Seriously, why does life experience make women worthless? Why doesn’t it make men worthless? I’d really like to know how you are doing these mental gymnastics.

      13. gizzard of oz December 22, 2014 at 4:50 pm

        You haven’t understood the point, and have jumped to your own conclusions. But I’ll answer your questions anyhow. Debauchery isn’t gender-specific. The downfall of society is attributable to all of humanity. There is, however, a difference between men&women with ‘life experience’. Women are the passive sex, while men are the real movers and shakers in almost every sphere, and particularly in the mating game. So the rules of the game require men to be the risk takers, the approachers, the charmers, the dominators. Women sit back and select. If a man meets her standards of aggressiveness, boldness, whatever she’s looking for, the gates swing open. As things decline, women seek more ruthless and devil-may-care bohemian societal drop-outs to cater for their carnal wants. So she’ll entertain the herpetic schlong of the rudest thug boi who can clown the best for her. But lying back and letting animals rut on top of you doesn’t exactly make you that experienced. You’ve had the experience of being a receptacle for their spunk, but have you done much to really advance your persona? Even the pathetic club monkey who has learned to treat women bad the way they like it so much, has had to overcome his fears, work on his confidence, his ruthlessness in the race to the bottom, put his life at risk when rubbing shoulders with killers and ex-convicts to get the cocaine and weed that will capture the attention of a pleasure-addicted trollop for long enough that she’ll drop her panties… etc, etc. As you can see, none of these are admirable traits in the least, but because the lady <3s <3s <3s bad boi drama these days, these are things he'll do. They're active in nature, and will allow him to tip his filthy concrete into the passively reclined lady of the night who's enjoying hitching a ride to the other side of the tracks.
        Men who ruin society are a scourge, but they're enabled and encouraged by women who get wet for their errant behaviour. Traditionally speaking, women have to do so little besides remaining chaste. The men are the ones who take the risks to fight, defend property, conquer, work to construct civilisations, etc. If women kept the standards up regarding who they'll allow to ravage them, that's their most important service to society. But, as we saw in Nazi Germany, where the majority of females voted for Hitler, they loved the rockstar Nazis who would arrive home spattered with jewish blood, and had a fist full of freshly pulled gold teeth. Money, sex, living lavish.. those freulines loved the thrilling ride of murder, money and power. Don't be under any illusion that evil isn't as strong in females as it is in males.

      14. chiiill December 23, 2014 at 2:07 am

        Holy shit, you really hate women. I did not jump to any conclusions that you did not just confirm. D:

        “There is, however, a difference between men&women with ‘life experience’. Women are the passive sex”

        Not really, but to the very marginal extent that that’s true, that’s because of the historical brute force social dominance of men.

        “So the rules of the game require men to be the risk takers, the approachers, the charmers, the dominators.”

        Only with a very small pool of women who embrace antiquated gender roles. I guess it depends how old you are. You sound young, though, and like you’re only paying attention to unenlightened shallow women who want you to buy them things, and are then concluding that they are the only women that exist.

        “Women sit back and select.”

        People keep saying that, but it doesn’t match with any of my life experiences. Maybe in high school…? My sister is 21 and very pretty, and even she defends herself from weirdo stalkers and goes after guys she is interested in actively. I’ve approached my last two boyfriends, and the one before that was a set up by our mutual friend, and the one before that I don’t remember because we knew each other since we were 10.

        “If a man meets her standards of aggressiveness, boldness

        “All the better to beat you with, my dear! Mwahahahaha!” #NotAttractive

        “women seek more ruthless and devil-may-care bohemian societal drop outs to cater for their carnal wants.”

        Oh, I thought we only wanted people with money? And that was bad? Which is it?

        “So she’ll entertain the herpetic schlong of the rudest thug boi who can clown the best for her.”

        Someone with a sense of humor, aka not you?

        “But lying back and letting animals rut on top of you doesn’t exactly make you that experienced.”

        It wouldn’t make you as experienced as being an active participant in sex, which is what I advocate, but you would still gain more life experience doing that than cloistering yourself in hopes of pleasing men who hate you.

        “You’ve had the experience of being a receptacle for their spunk, but have you done much to really advance your persona?”

        When I was younger, between serious boyfriends, and having casual sex, condoms were a rule. It’s interesting that you’re speaking to me in a degrading manner because I have had sex with men. Why do you think men are so toxic? Why do you hate yourself?

        I have grown as a person based on the sexual and relationship experiences I have had, yes. I didn’t really have sex with douchebags like you apparently aspire to be, though. If someone had tried that aggressive, super-selfish jackhammer shit on me, I would have stopped it, in the middle if necessary. But hey.

        “who has learned to treat women bad the way they like it so much”

        This is untrue. Women don’t want to be treated badly, generally. A small subset of fucked-up people subconsciously do, but making a generalization that all or even most women want to be treated badly is ridiculous. We just don’t like men who rationalize their self-hatred by telling themselves they’re “nice” either, because it means they’re not actually nice. They’re fucked up.

        You need some Dr. Nerdlove, dude. He says shit that sounds like it wouldn’t make me or decent women I know run screaming for the hills. His stuff sounds like it would work, actually.

        “has had to overcome his fears, work on his confidence”

        Ok, the above is true. Sounds like one of your fears is that you don’t actually have to act like a predator to have sex with women, unless you have some sort of fetish for dumb, shallow, fucked up women, and you’ve actually been selling your soul over techniques that don’t even work very well.

        “his ruthlessness in the race to the bottom”

        Why are you playing this game? Don’t you care about yourself? Why would you not look for alternatives?

        “put his life at risk when rubbing shoulders with killers and ex-convicts to get the cocaine”

        Why are you having sex with people who do cocaine? It’s not even that popular, and it makes you act mean.

        “and weed”

        You can get weed from people who are not scary, and there are plenty of women who just like alcohol, or will consume the appropriate amount of substances they want themselves, without you having to drug them to rape them “cleverly trick them into having sex.” I always provided my own substances, if I felt like consuming them.

        You may be wondering why I didn’t just take advantage of men all the time if I wasn’t a hideous “6”/normal looking human being. I used to be pretty enough that I didn’t carry money at all for two years, but what happened was that A) I felt bad about it and stopped, and B) dudes started thinking they were entitled to blowjobs behind the gym if they bought me a fucking piece of pizza of their own accord, and a couple times it got scary. This is why I didn’t let my current boyfriend even buy me a drink on our first date. Our finances are somewhat intertwined, now, but I still pay for most things, in part because I don’t want him to feel like I owe him anything.

        “a pleasure-addicted trollop”

        Do you really not realize that most women can tell how much you hate them? And that it is more repellent than Axe body spray and Ed Hardy?

        Also, women who like pleasure are bad! Totally. Get your shit together, man, and you won’t have the problems that make you want to frequent this site and defend its content.

        “but because the lady
        <3s <3s <3s bad boi drama these days, these are things he'll do."

        First of all, again, most women don’t like cokehead douchebag predators, but it’s interesting how you A) are really fixated on excusing the behavior of cokehead douchebag predators – I’m guessing you want to be one? and B) blame women for everything possible. It’s like the “Thanks, Obama” meme at this point.

        “They’re active in nature”

        While it is true that males may be slightly more active, there’s more overlap than dichotomy.

        “his filthy concrete”

        Why are you so preoccupied with male sexuality being disgusting? Sexuality in general? Don’t you think that your vitriol is too intense to hide, and makes you subtly but powerfully seem like a psycho, which again is more sexually repellent than not bathing and sporting a Confederate Flag belt buckle outside the South?

        “passively reclined lady of the night”

        You are having some terrible sex, man. It’s unnecessary, and is a result of your emotional problems and subsequent actions.

        “who’s enjoying hitching a ride to the other side of the tracks.”

        The “other side of the tracks”? WTF does that even mean? Your pervasively corrosive attitudes about sexuality make it seem like you would think it was ok to make a necklace out of someone’s teeth if they just “degraded themselves” by having sex with you. What the hell.

        “Men who ruin society are a scourge”

        Seriously, what would you expect in a “non-ruined society”? Only you getting laid?

        “but they’re enabled and encouraged by women who get wet for their errant behaviour.”

        Blame Canada! Oh, right, women.

        “Traditionally speaking, women have to do so little besides remaining chaste.”

        Even in the Stone Age, women did a lot of work. What the hell are you talking about? I highly doubt I could find a supportive, intelligent, non-abusive partner with a mildly interesting personality if all I did was be an obsessively uptight prude. If you seriously disagree, you’re outright delusional.

        “The men are the ones who take the risks to fight, defend property, conquer, work to construct civilisations,”

        Just because you narcissistically devalue others’ work doesn’t mean they’re not doing any. How are your relationships at work?

        “If women kept the standards up regarding who they’ll allow to ravage them, that’s their most important service to society.”

        Wow. You’re a particularly nasty dudebro, arntcha? What if I said men need to stop starting wars when they get in immature little pissing contests, recede from the public sphere to stop ruining the world, and fulfill their rightful role as nothing more than sperm donors? I don’t actually believe that, but it’s equivalent to what you’re saying, except that I have additional backup in that men actually start more wars. I wonder if this conversation will get even more outrageous…

        “But, as we saw in Nazi Germany”

        #Godwin

        “where the majority of females voted for Hitler”

        Hitler won 33 of 35 districts. He liked to brag about how women loved him, but he wasn’t actually that popular. Only in protestant areas did he get more votes from women than from men, and even in those cases, they were not the majority of women. He won with a strong plurality, 43.91% of the vote in 1933.

        Take a look at that first Hitler link. The women who voted for Hitler were women you would like, given that the Nazis were the party of “traditional gender roles,” especially when compared to their competition. They played up religiosity, and women tend to be more religious (as are poor people, because they’re more oppressed). They also focused on caring for children, which wouldn’t have been a vulnerability for women if there had been more egalitarian gender roles in Germany at that time.

        “Don’t be under any illusion that evil isn’t as strong in females as it is in males.”

        Dude, how did we get here? I asked you why sexual life experience made women worthless, but not men, and you closed by comparing women to Nazis. Yowza.

      15. gizzard of oz December 23, 2014 at 10:23 am

        In the typical fashion of an uninspired thinker, you dissected (using the standard edumacated by-rote approach of the scientifically indoctrinated) everything that I wrote, rather than present something novel. In typical female fashion, you attacked the person, not the issue. In essence, you missed the issue entirely. Responding to every ad hominum will be too laborious. And though there are a few smatterings of stuff with merit in there, hackneyed self-focused anecdotes don’t speak for the world at large. Your credibility takes a nose-dive when you start advocating consuming illegal substances and getting weed from criminal drug-dealers, who are actually ‘misunderstood nice-guys’ with a groovy ‘bad-boi’ edge (that undoubtedly might be worthy of a panty-drop after getting bonged out and playing gears of war). Do what thou wilt will be the whole of the law, and, above all, seek those hedonistic feels. Since you’re averse to accepting the wisdom from probably any man that you ever encounter, I recommend seeking some lessons on morality from established historical figures. They have social-proof, so it’s ok. My original statement stands: “the downfall of society is attributable to all of humankind”. Personally, I am aspiring to live a decent life, and impose above-average moral demands upon myself. It’s the best recommendation I have for others, but not too many are willing to curd their careening YOLO descent.

      16. chiiill December 23, 2014 at 1:18 pm

        I responded to your comment with evidence. Interesting how you refused to do that for mine.

        Given your Gish gallop, it was the best way to organize the comment.

        Lol, you want to talk about ad hominems? Your entire argument is an ad hominem against all women.

        If you honestly believe that legality equals morality, you should probably stop raping people who are too intoxicated to legally consent. Anyway, I don’t smoke bongs with anyone I buy from, I hate Gears of War, and I wouldn’t sleep with any of them – I’ve never slept with a weed dealer. While I respect and am grateful for their alternative entrepreneurship in a shitty economy, their lives have this weird quality of being both really boring and full of risk.

        Anyway, you’re aspiring to live a decent life? Try dropping the bigotry.

      17. gizzard of oz December 23, 2014 at 2:41 pm

        I refused because your anecdotal evidence is essentially worthless in the grand scheme of things. I’m not trying to put you down, but nothing from our personal lives can really stand up to the weight of history. There’s plenty of evidence out there that you can research that tracks the course of history from antiquity to present day. Not that we’re not all important individuals in our own right, and we can certainly play our part in being decent members of society, which is why I advocate living a decent life.
        It’s not possible to have a personalised attack against a plural group. Generalisation is different to ad hominum. An example of a purely ad hominum attack (among many), however: where did I ever infer that I rape people who are too intoxicated to legally consent? You’re reading with feminist-fury-tinted glasses, which understandably would cloud any rational person’s judgement. If you want to talk about legality, you’re off in the wilderness with such a libellous insinuation. I never said that legality equals morality, but, in many cases, it’s the basic acceptable standard.
        You’re grateful and respectful for the black economy that they’re creating? Where criminals are being armed with guns and propping up their prostitution and racketeering rings via the proceeds of drug sales? Where the fiber of society is being eroded by the pharmakea (interesting word for you to research) they’re bringing to our doorstep, and where Mexican and Honduran (among other) people are being slain in droves by vicious cartels competing for the lucrative 1st world ‘feels good’ trade? I think it’s discriminatory to foist this situation upon people who have enough to deal with besides this criminal element.
        I’m humble enough to accept that I need to constantly improve myself, and a bigoted attitude certainly leaks into my outlook. But anyone who thinks they have an inalienable right to just do as they please also believes in the superiority of their opinions, so it becomes a stand-off.

      18. chiiill December 24, 2014 at 8:02 am

        It was a bunch of logic and studies punctuated with anecdotal evidence for flair. People’s human experiences might be less valuable than empirical studies (and I have yet to see a respectable empirical study about how all women have their pick of awesome men all the time, whenever they want), but they are still valuable because we lived them.

        “There’s plenty of evidence out there that you can research that tracks the course of history from antiquity to present day.”

        I did! You didn’t even read it! I read a 30 page chapter about elections in Weimar Germany, and you’re like, “Uhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmm :drool:”

        “which is why I advocate living a decent life.”

        Then open your mind.

        “It’s not possible to have a personalised attack against a plural group.”

        Take any offensive slur, and there you go. I was attacking the way you were thinking and acting, not the core of your being based on the fact you were living a normal life. When you call someone who has premarital sex (Oh noes! Mah pearls!) a slut in 2014, you are personally attacking the person and all women. Learn your history (and current events – see the shitty areas of the Middle East, many parts of Africa, etc., for stark, over-the-top examples). Slut-shaming is used to keep women isolated from society and blame them for being attacked. Saying a woman is a slut is both saying she has a personally bad character, and saying all women have bad characters, and therefore need to be controlled and oppressed. No level of that spectrum is acceptable, be it women not being able to drive/escape in Saudi Arabia, or be it young teenagers being called “mature for their age” and their rapists getting laughably light sentences, or be it dress codes that disproportionately disrupt girls’ educations.

        Slut-shaming also shits on men by calling them vicious beasts unable to control themselves, and then acting like that’s obvious. Think about that for a second. If that’s true, why are you allowed to be in any sort of positions of power? (Oh wait, it’s not true; you can control yourselves, and it’s not girls’ or women’s responsibility to do it for you.)

        “Generalisation is different to ad hominum.”

        If you want to be super-technical, it’s ad hominem. Anyway. I explained above how it’s simultaneously both based on historical and cultural context.

        You said, “Even the pathetic club monkey who has learned to treat women bad the way they like it so much, has had to overcome his fears, work on his confidence, his ruthlessness in the race to the bottom, put his life at risk when rubbing shoulders with killers and ex-convicts to get the cocaine and weed that will capture the attention of a pleasure-addicted trollop for long enough that she’ll drop her panties…” like it’s a normal thing. That strongly implies you think it’s ok to drug women up to “have sex with them,” which is rape if the intoxication level gets to point where they don’t know what’s going on, which seems like it’s the purpose of the drugs in that statement. Furthermore, within the context of the comment that excerpt came from, you were excusing it. You are on this board, agreeing with things here, and Roosh is a well-known rape apologist in his own life, aka admitted rapist. I would include a link here, but I guess reading them is beneath you. By the way, this type of disagreement is why I include quotes, both to minimize its occurrence, and to have something to reference when it is called into question. It does not mean my commentary is not “original.”

        “You’re reading with feminist-fury-tinted glasses, which understandably would cloud any rational person’s judgement.”

        It informs my judgment, just as any person’s background and life experience informs their judgment. I accept that; I’m a constructivist. Notice I did not previously comment on your aggrieved entitlement glasses. (But now it’s relevant.)

        “I never said that legality equals morality, but, in many cases, it’s the basic acceptable standard.”

        True, you never overtly said that, but you implied it by saying that smoking weed is bad. There is nothing wronger about weed than there is about alcohol, a perfectly legal drug that people on this site frequently endorse the use of. The difference is the legality, especially since weed is tamer.

        “black economy”

        Please tell me English is your second language. I’m going to go ahead and assume that. “Black market” is the phrase, and your phrase could easily be interpreted to mean that only black people sell weed, which is of course, patently untrue.

        I’m grateful that there is some way that people who can’t make it in the mainstream economy (at least right now) can at least make money without resorting to sex work, which is much more dangerous if you aren’t an intentional professional. I don’t want people to be murdered just for being poor, and I appreciate that the alternative brings the ganj.

        “Where criminals are being armed with guns and propping up their prostitution and racketeering rings via the proceeds of drug sales?”

        Ah, you assume I’m a casual or addictive smoker who’ll get it from anywhere, not a once-in-a-while-smoking, Whole-Foods-of-weed-hippie. I know where the small amount of herb I smoke comes from. (Hint: it’s mostly California, British Columbia, and Colorado.) It’s ok, I’m not a high school student smoking weed from Afghanistan, though I guess that would make me sexier because I would be “fresher,” like a consumable piece of produce. I couldn’t resist putting this link in: This is a website that lets you know how many slaves work for you based on your consumer lifestyle.

        “I think it’s discriminatory to foist this situation upon people who have enough to deal with besides this criminal element.”

        Right! We should also starve their economy for foreign capital.

        “But anyone who thinks they have an inalienable right to just do as they please also believes in the superiority of their opinions, so it becomes a stand-off.”

        Naturally, I believe in the superiority of my opinions, or I wouldn’t have them. The point is that having sex with consenting adults when you want to doesn’t violate anyone reasonable or right, but your opinion that you should be able to tell people not to have consensual adult sex does. Merry Xmas, buddy.

      19. John Jones December 25, 2014 at 6:06 pm

        I have known more women in my long life who would be considered vile than good. The fact these women think they deserve a kind good man is a hog wash romantic fantasy.

        Why would anyone want to marry a woman who sucked off a crack addict like most? Or a bitch who spent most of her years emasculating men who are good, while fucking her deadbeat sissy boy lover with no spine.

      20. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 7:00 pm

        You seriously think “most” women have “sucked off” a crack addict? Either your sample is somehow extremely biased or you’re just making shit up because you hate women. Yawn.

      21. John Jones December 26, 2014 at 9:31 pm

        No, it’s from real life. Most women nowadays have a hidden past, teenage girls right now are basically making nudes for pedos, them pretend ot never existed, while older women lie about how many dudes they fucked. Most grown women act like rude drunken sailors in public, cussing like a bitch.

        I don’t buy into most women are good, you seem to be the biased one. Besides modern women hate being a real woman, They want to be masculine hyper aggressive tom cats who hate all men.

      22. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 9:55 pm

        “Most women nowadays have a hidden past”

        You know this how?

        “teenage girls right now are basically making nudes for pedos”

        It’s developmentally appropriate/not pedophilia if the person is the basically same age.

        “while older women lie about how many dudes they fucked”

        I don’t know why they would. /s

        “act like rude drunken sailors in public, cussing like a bitch.”

        #Irony

        Can I ask what age you are? I’m curious.

        “I don’t buy into most women are good, you seem to be the biased one.”

        “I don’t buy into most women are good, you seem to be the biased one.”

        Attitudes about people are by definition biases. It’s ok, just put effort into having positive, defensible attitudes.

      23. John Jones December 26, 2014 at 10:19 pm

        You’re delusional, you’re magic wanding away the shit your gender does. Most women ARE not reasonable anymore or logical, they’re basically savages on a revenge quest.

        You don’t spend years like me observing women irl around the world or on the net and come to think of modern women as these civil upstanding creatures that do no wrong.

        I have no interest in masculine women or entitled girls who think they deserve a Prince Charming while they act like a spoiled child.

      24. chiiill December 26, 2014 at 10:22 pm

        I don’t think women are perfect. That said, I think your observations are very prone to confirmation bias. Very few women are actually “masculine,” or “entitled girls who think they deserve a Prince Charming while they act like a spoiled child,” unless we have wildly divergent definitions of what those things mean, or you live somewhere very unique.

      25. John Jones December 26, 2014 at 11:10 pm

        It’s a place called Usa, live there and experience it. Most women do act like what I say. It’s highly disturbing.

  22. Wake December 15, 2014 at 2:24 pm

    Just a question guys: beyond your anger, don’t these videos awaken an infinite sence of sadness in you? These girls are profoundly unhappy, absolutely trapped afterc having wasted the best of themselves. This is a massive tragedy.

    1. Amanda December 15, 2014 at 2:56 pm

      Toronto women are not unhappy. It’s the angry frustrated virgin males we have to look out for

      1. manmax December 15, 2014 at 3:58 pm

        I know right they don’t masturbate enough

        We should get a campaign started for more masturbation

      2. fokkertism December 17, 2014 at 3:12 am

        I’d rather go out with a nice Afrikaans girl from Orania or a Bulgarian farm girl from Emen, Veliko Turnovo than an entitled Toronto lizard. Unless the Toronto girl looked like Elisha Cuthbert or Nina Dobrev.

      3. fokkertism December 18, 2014 at 1:15 am

        But even if, I’d still find an E.Cuthbert-type girl in Orania or a N.Dobrev-type girl in Emen.

    2. Skoll December 15, 2014 at 4:09 pm

      You reap what you sow. But, of course, women today have no sense of accountability, so it’s never their fault.

    3. Yup December 15, 2014 at 4:58 pm

      Agree. I didn’t feel any anger watching that clip, only sadness. In every scene you can see her deep sadness as she desperately runs from her own feelings, trying to self-medicate. Lyrics are pretty telling:
      “Can’t go home alone again
      Need someone to numb the pain
      Staying in my play pretend
      Where the fun ain’t got no end”

      It’s easy to say “You reap what you sow”, but most of these girls have been raised on a false message (just like us men before we swallowed the red pill). Feminism corrupts them.

      “Hitting the wall”/reaching the “epiphany phase” is pretty much the female red pill where they realise they’ve been lied to their whole lives. Unfortunately it’s too late for women by that stage. At least we (men) have our best years ahead of us.

      1. chiiill December 21, 2014 at 9:24 pm

        This song struck me as being about PTSD. This entire article is a total non-sequitur.

    4. MajorStyles December 16, 2014 at 1:34 am

      i have no sadness for them. They inspire nothing but my condemnation.

  23. Schultz December 15, 2014 at 2:37 pm

    “So on that note, I urge you to learn game, seduce these inadequate women, and try out those moves you’ve seen in porn, because that sex drive of yours is not going anywhere and must be sated for your own mental health. Beyond that, however, don’t expect much more, because women can no longer provide you with what women of the past so easily could.”

    Sad as all fuck, but unfortunately all too true.

  24. Amanda December 15, 2014 at 2:55 pm

    Your article is hate speech. So you’re pretty much a loser who got rejected for a good reason, it’s
    not our fault in Toronto that shoving a poutine in our mouths seems more appealing then
    having your 3 INCH Persian junk in our mouth, from this article I gather you’re feeling a
    little pathetic after a night of rejection and what’s worse is we are so
    pathetic and still turning you down.

    P.s you’re a little racist too,
    and pointing out details like the woman was fat, no wonder you can’t get
    laid you American retard. Toronto women have standards, and we are not broken. We have better job opportunities in Canada, that many of you loser Americans beg the Immigration Minister to let you in boo-hoo cry me a fucking river.

    1. hbg December 15, 2014 at 3:22 pm

      she mad

    2. manmax December 15, 2014 at 4:00 pm

      You have just proven again that Toronto women are cock psychics

    3. Robert What? December 15, 2014 at 6:00 pm

      Sorry – did you say something? I wasn’t paying attention.

    4. splooge December 15, 2014 at 9:44 pm

      dam sound like the sterotypical toronto cunt before his article went mainstream.
      Lil racist to point out his ethnic background. ANd whats wrong with a small penis. If anything big loose pussy is unsexy. With all the hoops men go through to impress women and sleep with them, from intiating courstship, being interesting, getting his money down and knowing hot to date and escalade, consider yourself lucky he aint selfish in bed. WHy would he put your pleasure over his.
      You say toronto women have standards but yet youll get mad when men have standards theats hypocritical there. Humilty and down to earth behaiover is very rare in toronot, theyll claim it but they are just egoistic and narcisstic people that think they are better then they really are.
      ps men dont care about your jobs

      1. gizzard of oz December 17, 2014 at 8:18 pm

        Conversely, the more men she gets to go through her hoop, the looser it is

      2. chiiill December 21, 2014 at 9:33 pm

        That’s anatomically ignorant. Being pregnant is what makes vaginas feel looser, because the pressure of the pregnancy stretches the pelvic floor muscle. This is especially hilarious because the women who are allegedly trampling each other to be barefoot and pregnant from you over and over again are actually going to have looser vaginas than the self-respecting women who have sex, even with a lot of people. #Irony

      3. gizzard of oz December 22, 2014 at 4:14 pm

        You seem to not understand the concept of figurative speaking. Funny how women can’t bear to hear about their brains’ inability to stretch to accommodate abstract thoughts, yet love to be valued above all else for their constricted vulvas. #Irony. If you want to carve out some shard of moral superiority whereby promiscuous women/prostitutes/sex addicts etc are superior to family women then you’ve hit the jackpot: they’ve #tighterHPVinfested,syphilitic,holes. What a resounding victory for feminism.

      4. chiiill December 24, 2014 at 1:35 pm

        So you’re saying the concept of a “loose vagina” is physically meaningless? Ok, whatevs.

        I feel a twinge of suicidality when someone tells me I’m just a hole or a baby oven. Oh well, just oppression, totally not wrong or damaging, whatevs.

        Also, there’s a vaccine for HPV and syphilis is easily cured by antibiotics. I’ve had sex with enough people (1 or more? Lol.) that you would probably want to degrade me for being normal, and I have no STD’s. I’ve never had one.

    5. 1812 Immigrant December 18, 2014 at 4:19 pm

      Fuck off you piece of cunt whore!! Fucking retarded slut…go to hell you ball busting cock sucking WHORE

    6. Swashbuckler December 21, 2014 at 8:19 am

      My one and only reply to you

  25. V December 15, 2014 at 3:43 pm

    This Amanda character is the same girl who has a Pissed face if you look at her ass or tits & later complains no decent guys spoke to her.

    1. 1812 Immigrant December 18, 2014 at 4:18 pm

      In Communist Toronto, cops taze your ass for staring at feminist slut

    2. chiiill December 21, 2014 at 9:35 pm

      It is your inherent right to scare strange women on the street! Break the chainz!

  26. CardinalMethod December 15, 2014 at 3:43 pm

    Roosh, you have fought the good fight for quite a while. The themes that you’ve been discussing for the past decade, are now finally gaining acknowledgement in more widespread media outlets, and acceptance of these ideals might just be reaching critical mass. What will come of this is still an unknown, but I hope that you will receive the recognition that you deserve. The slut instinct is too strong for a few articles to change the current social dynamics at play, but there is more hope today than there was even three years ago, when I first started following your blog. You’re exactly right about the proper course of action for men, use women for sexual gratification, and nothing more. Luckily for us guys, who’ve been somewhat adept at seduction, it’s easier now, more than ever. It’s unfathomable to my naive mind of yesteryear, just how often, I have received the “this is just a sexual thing” from women. Even though, my sexual needs are satiated, this talk never fails to disturb the more noble side of my psyche, but what choice do I have other than to just go with it. As much as the compassionate side of my personality would love to have a woman that would provide a safe haven for emotional solace, the reality is that this place never has, nor will exist. Since, I’m a human being, and not a mindless drone, I find this support from my band members. They are my weight training partners, my outlet for creativity, and my psychiatrists. Until women are collectively shunned by society for their misdeeds, and sent back in to the kitchen, you are 100% correct on your belief that they are best used as organic masturbatory aids.

    1. CardinalMethod December 15, 2014 at 3:49 pm

      P.S., please start banning women from the discussions, my man. Since you’ve started permitting their presence, the quality of discussion has severely diminished, and if us hard-liners can’t set proper boundaries, who fucking will?

      1. Conrad Stonebanks December 15, 2014 at 4:11 pm

        Seconded.

      2. Yup December 15, 2014 at 5:28 pm

        Thirded.

      3. Prince X December 22, 2014 at 1:55 am

        Fourthded!!! Oh wait, that’s not a word. Welp, you know what I meant. Get these chics outta here.

      4. Roosh_V December 15, 2014 at 6:09 pm

        It’s not so much permitting their presence as not having the time to moderate the comments full time.

      5. CardinalMethod December 16, 2014 at 1:03 pm

        Acceptable excuse, thanks for the response

      6. Kevin December 17, 2014 at 8:39 am

        Have you ever written a blog article for fat guys of any age range and what they need to do to get the most out of game? (I know not be fat but what should they do in the meantime while losing the weight???).

      7. Aryan Jesuite December 16, 2014 at 11:46 am

        nah let em stay and spew out their guilt, shame and hate – it’s good practice for men to become accustomed to the female mind, learn how to respond and move on.

      8. CardinalMethod December 16, 2014 at 1:06 pm

        Dealing with uber-dyke trolls on a comment board, offers no tangible experience for handling your business offline.

  27. rhasa December 15, 2014 at 4:01 pm

    Amen, brother.
    You’ve laid it out in the exact language that expresses my feelings.
    And thanks to you and guys like you educating us, there are fewer and fewer guys out there getting suckered into the bullshit that marriage has become.

    In another generation, young women will realize that they now have to pull more weight than they are willing to burden themselves with, and will start guarding their worth better.
    This generation of sluts, though, is a lost cause.

  28. ashley December 15, 2014 at 4:27 pm

    First of all this song has NOTHING to do with going out and fucking guys. Most girls sings about is just finding a WAY to cope with the pain: drugs, going out to the bar, having fun with friends. It relates to how devastaing it is to be heartbroken and missing someone, and the process any normal person may FEEL. I dont have sex with random guys, they gotta earn it and yes, girls need to learn this. But to say how most girls are bad because they fucked alot of guys when guys do the same fucking thing (Or wish they are) you are similair to the dillusional bitter feminists. Girls likes guys who are attrative, just like guys want a good looking girl. We DO NOT want players who fucked alot of girls. Guess what, if he is hot then you know he can get alot of girls, but he chooses you instead. We dont like players! Its like saying nice guys always get friendzoned, NO UGLY guys or not so goodlooking ones do.

    1. Northy December 16, 2014 at 3:09 am

      ” I dont have sex with random guys, they gotta earn it”

      Bullshit. When we refer to “paying” for it, we actually mean marriage.
      They didn’t earn it. You know why? Because you are, down the line, going to demand a “man” to pay for it by putting a ring on your finger.
      There is a huge difference between waiting a few days/buying you stuff vs. actual marriage.

    2. gizzard of oz December 17, 2014 at 8:23 pm

      POOR guys, or not so wealthy ones do* – fixed it for you

    3. deepblue9 December 31, 2015 at 12:52 pm

      “Its like saying nice guys always get friendzoned” They do.

  29. B December 15, 2014 at 5:44 pm

    Last week, when I honestly told a girl what I was looking for, she replied that I am looking for both a porn star and a doting house wife, and that was impossible. Apparently an attractive, skinny, healthy, sane girl who isn’t a complete slut is an impossibility today.

    1. chiiill December 21, 2014 at 9:39 pm

      Those are diametrically opposed, yes. Living life as an accessory to a hypocritical narcissist is not a healthy or sane thing to do. Apparently she dodged a huge bullet.

  30. Robert What? December 15, 2014 at 6:14 pm

    As a late 50s guy, I find the video incredibly sad – as it is obviously intended to be. But not for the reason the actress intended. She seemingly intends it to be sad because she can’t get her old lover off her mind. We find it sad because it represents the total debasement of modern American womanhood.

  31. anon1 December 15, 2014 at 6:35 pm

    When I was younger, I always took girls to the most expensive restaurants in town, and occasionally I’d surprise them with a romantic weekend getaway to Paris in a private jet, but since then I’ve realized what is important in life and now practice minimalism. Snuggling up on the couch while watching romantic comedies on Netflix is far more meaningful to me today.”

    reminds me of this reddit post on /r/sex where a woman was seeking sympathy because she dumped her caring loving boyfriend because he didn’t have enough money (she also said she was in love with him, they cuddled snuggled and watched netflix together), and then subsequently found out after she ditched him that he was infact super wealthy and had been testing her. She was expecting sympathy that he should have been honest with her (the gold digger) from the start but they (the subreddit) in an uncharacteristic show of red pill behaviour, tore her a new arsehole.

    its a beautiful read, if someone can link it up here people will love it

  32. John Jones December 15, 2014 at 7:30 pm

    Man, I just want to puke now.

  33. doktorjeep December 15, 2014 at 7:53 pm

    Jesus Christ that video. I’d sooner set my ballsack on fire before watching that.
    Good choice for the topic.

  34. Philosophical Recovery December 15, 2014 at 8:46 pm

    “Roosh posted this video on twitter and it made me realize how a lot of girls I know/have known live through college.

    The stream of consciousness, following an average looking college girl
    as she haphazardly goes through life, is played over and over in real
    life every weekend. She’s got her female friends that she sometimes
    makes out with, her wandering alpha fux who she likes to slap around and
    torment when she’s drunk, her stupid arm tattoo, and her love/hate
    relationship with alcohol. She can crash on couches with whoever,
    wherever, because she hasn’t totally washed up yet (although is rapidly
    getting close), not seeing the repercussions of her behavior until years
    later, if she ever does. She cries when she’s alone, knowing something
    isn’t right, both wanting and hating the guy that gets her wet, that
    she knows won’t be around in the long run because she’s already been
    burned at least once, maybe dozens of times.

    This is what beta bux has to look forward to: a hormone/substance
    abusing addict of average but dwindling looks, who didn’t totally wreck
    her life yet (in the modern view of life, but definitely has when you go
    by the standards of civilized history). This is what college, all the
    protection and pedalization in the world, and support with no strings
    does to many girls. I honestly hate seeing the shit that girls go
    through in college, but I’m not captain save a ho. Any time you run
    into a girl past 25, this is what is in her closet, and why she flakes
    on your ass and doesn’t treat you like a leader or anything worthwhile.
    She hates herself. This is the vacant stare behind her eyes that you
    wouldn’t fully recognize unless you’ve dated girls before they go
    through this.”

    http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-9856-post-876103.html#pid876103

    1. GRock December 15, 2014 at 10:23 pm

      Yea, the vacant stare is the dead give away. I souless being really. I dated mostly same girl all though high school. We cheated on each other a few times each, which set the final tone for the end of high school, this was many years ago. Her prime directive was to ride the carousel joining a sorority.. and from what I heard she got around quite a bit.

      Don’t think it ends bad for these bitches either. She’s now married to a fat slob nephrologist.. he’s got the money, and the used ass whore of a wife to go along with that extensive medical degree. If he knew what I did.

      1. chiiill December 21, 2014 at 9:50 pm

        What evidence do you have that this nephrologist would care?

  35. Kaizen December 15, 2014 at 8:49 pm

    Agree

  36. deshler December 15, 2014 at 8:50 pm

    This chick just turned 27? God damn….talk about hard living.

  37. GRock December 15, 2014 at 9:24 pm

    ” and rest assured that the degeneracy that has so swallowed America whole will spread throughout the world from the trojan horse technology out of Silicon Valley.” – the unbridled enabler of it all.

    Men created the tech that accelerated the destruction of women. Hopefully it goes full circle. But, only time can erase multiple sluttified generations. No erasing all those dicks they took in.

    1. chiiill December 21, 2014 at 9:51 pm

      Why do you think of yourself, and especially your sexuality, as toxic?

  38. Rob December 15, 2014 at 9:45 pm

    A devastating expose’ !

  39. TyKo Steamboat December 15, 2014 at 10:20 pm

    One thing you left-out Roosh, do NOT get these Yankee women prego….no no no no. It will emotionally & financially destroy you & your life will be over.

    1. Kevin December 18, 2014 at 12:49 am

      Did you leave the US poon gulag in favor of UA? How is it? How much are you dropping/month to live? And do the prime age birds (18-24) date guys inn their 30s?

      1. TyKo Steamboat December 18, 2014 at 4:16 am

        Well…here I am at an English speaking club in Berdyans’k …

        https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10687082_10204188863034318_4459732326422749642_n.jpg?oh=b9c16ea249d375dc3c33460bce8f8513&oe=55018A52&__gda__=1430652471_b67ee6deb75cb4c368d4ba46c8fba827

        & heres me with a 25 y.o. hottie I pulled outta the joint.

        https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10659453_10204172033413588_2090265981280986061_n.jpg?oh=ac14348c66a9dd8b02933b031481fc48&oe=5547C335&__gda__=1430477784_7e43d89b694b2fe6d5a79ff63cfcc353

      2. Kevin December 20, 2014 at 12:13 am

        Tyko

        To be clear-
        So its a grand total of only $500/month to live outside of Kiev?

        ???What neighborhoods or suburbs have fun things to do, are reasonably priced, and have hot girls outside of Kiev?

        ???What are some cool date ideas for places like you’ve mentioned in UA?
        When I go I’m gonna go for a blend of nice guy and caveman (that’s who I really am at the core- if the chemistrys there Ill go ape shit on a chick but I like a cultured, relaxed, positive type of woman).

        I’m assuming you speak Russian when you mention venturing to SE Ukraine. Tell me more.

        Yeah that brunette in the black dress is nice. She looks good to me and im a petite curvy blonde fetish man. You look like a Californian man- I’ve seen dudes like you in Huntington Beach and Santa Barbara surfing. The West coast is awesome- when I look at a World map EE and the West coast are all I see anymore haha. You need to check out Chico State man up in NorCal- I like NorCal birds.

      3. Boagrius December 22, 2014 at 1:07 am

        Nice heels on that Uki dame there in the 2nd pic. A+

      4. TyKo Steamboat January 2, 2015 at 10:37 pm

        & heres me with a 25 y.o. hottie I pulled outta the joint…

      5. TyKo Steamboat December 18, 2014 at 4:49 am

        I’ll tell you it’s cheap to live outside of Kyiv. 500$ = 7,500 HRN at this moment. I live in a ski town in Colorado where the EE girls come to me annually & that’s how I came about discovering them to begin with in 2007. I like these women a lot. So much that I’ve established contacts with a family in South East Ukraine that I can stay with for very low rent. I go & pillage 2 times a year. I have my spots & tactics off the Azov sea.
        & to answer your question, yes they date slightly older but not like others say. Typically they date guys that are 5-10 years older. Anything too obvious is a “sponsor” mean like 20 years older … To sum it up I told my friend Yuliya that “I see 45 year-old men with 25 year-old women all the time.” … She says, “Oh, yes, these men are married to women their own age but they are not dating, these are simply the lovers or fuckers.” … I swear to you, this is a direct quote & she didn’t blink an eye.
        But even at 31 I am going on dates with 19 year-olds. So I guess it depends on you & the girl. I will say that I love the reciprocation of the Ukrainian woman vs. American. If you approach with confidence they will be under your spell.

      6. Schultz December 21, 2014 at 11:08 am

        Tyko thanks for sharing your info and experiences. I have been to the Ukraine and indeed it does get cheaper when one lives outside Kiev. That said, I found the life in the small shit hole villages to be tedious with nothing much to offer at all. After fucking a cute Ukraine girl, one is left to make money and have fun. The small places lack this. That plus Ukraine overall is a mafia run wasteland cor anyone wanting to do serious business.

      7. chiiill December 21, 2014 at 9:54 pm

        Why would you, as a 31-year-old, want to date a 19-year-old? Having an equal makes most people who do that feel insecure, and it is both obvious and pathetic.

      8. TyKo Steamboat December 21, 2014 at 10:05 pm

        What do you mean “Having an equal” ?

        I date younger women because females age faster than men. They mature a lot faster physically & nature is not kind to women like it is men. In USA, women that are 30+ are nasty to be around. They grow meaner as those crows feet appear on their faces & their bellys grow fatter. They are unpleasant to be around in many ways.

        It is natural for a 31 year-old man to be attracted to a girl that is 19. It is a law of nature, really. & in Ukraine, 19 year-old girls carry themselves differently than in other countries. They are street-smart & very sexy.

        They want a man for his maturity & experience of an older age. They appreciate you as their leader & they will respect you as a figure of both strength & stability.

        Think about it in the long term…in 5 years, i’d be 36 & she will be 24…Now how “pathetic” does it seem?

        Pathetic to me is a guy that is 35 & is married to his 35 year-old High School sweetheart. Ha!

      9. chiiill December 21, 2014 at 10:38 pm

        If women age faster than men, why do women live longer?

        These women from economically depressed countries do not want your “leadership;” they put up with your abusive, controlling expectations so they can extract money from you because they have few realistic economic prospects. Then you conclude that all women are gold digging whores. You guys are geniuses.

        This is happening to my boyfriend’s idiotic narcissist of an older brother right now, and it’s breathtakingly hilarious and appallingly gross. He’s late forties and his Polish girlfriend is 28. He’s borrowing money from family members and stealing from his work to take her clubbing and on vacations. I’d be sad for him if he wasn’t such a piece of shit, but oh well, he is. He also left his super-traditional hyper-Catholic Mexican wife and teenage son for her.

        Yeah, 35 and 24 is still really pathetic. 24 is barely out of college. 35 is approaching middle age. WTF would you even talk about? How would you each contribute to finances in good faith? How would you have sex without feeling like you were banging someone who was learning to read while you were getting your driver’s license? It’s fucking gross.

      10. TyKo Steamboat December 21, 2014 at 10:51 pm

        Hmmm…I cannot apologize for your boyfriend or his older brother. Reads like he has several personal issues.

        But you are wrong to assume that men that seek women abroad have (in your words) “abusive, controlling expectations” & that these women want to only “extract money”. All people want money FYI….

        If you really stop & think about the way males & females age in accordance to nature, you’d see that the scale is a good 7-8 years. I mean, look at every 43 year-old woman you know & compare her side-by-side with every 43 year-old man you know.

        Laws of nature dictate that a male will be attracted to youth & vigor because of fertility & for purposes of mating & reproducing. (I didn’t make the rules…but I do enjoy younger women)

      11. chiiill December 21, 2014 at 11:26 pm

        I wasn’t asking you to apologize for my boyfriend or his older brother. And why would I want you to apologize for my boyfriend? He’s awesome; thank the universe he doesn’t have the hateful attitudes espoused on this board.

        Why am I wrong to define feeling entitled to control a person’s sexuality before you’ve even met them as abusive? Expecting someone not to explore life just because it makes you feel insecure, or activates troglodytic associations? To define expecting general submission as such? Controlling and expecting submission is what abusive people do.

        Are you looking to bilk these women economically? I’m certainly not looking for my boyfriend to support me. All people want money because they want to live, but wanting it from your partner is something else entirely. I want mutuality, and so do most decent people I know.

        I don’t think 43-year-old men are more attractive than 43-year-old women. This isn’t Mad Men; this is real life.

        So-called “laws of nature” also go against monogamy, especially for women, who don’t want to put all their eggs in one basket of potentially defective sperm. Better to let them have a contest and see who the naturally superior winner sperm is, right? So let me ask you a question: why can you use “laws of nature” as a self-fulfilling excuse when you want, but ignore other “laws of nature” and expect women to be monogamous?

        Women who are over 30 are still fertile, and in the context of today’s society, are likely to be much better suited to actually care for offspring (more financially established, less self-focused, etc.), just as men over 30 are. Next excuse?

      12. Chips In Salsa December 22, 2014 at 12:40 am

        I think he meant that he wanted to apologize to your boyfriend.

      13. chiiill December 24, 2014 at 1:38 pm

        For not hating myself, or what?

      14. deepblue9 December 31, 2015 at 12:56 pm

        “… they put up with your abusive, controlling expectations….” Ah yes, the usual pathetic and completely untrue accusation. Western women are finished and you’ve just proved it.

  40. Chips In Salsa December 15, 2014 at 10:23 pm

    In USA this is not such a bad thing in your 20’s. A quick pump & dump.
    Strategy for men in their 20’s should be to bang 30-something chicks. Then your reward as a 30 y.o. man will be girls aged 18-25

    1. dilettante December 16, 2014 at 9:24 pm

      i wish i learned this when i was in my 20’s. /smh

      1. JJ Harris December 17, 2014 at 1:10 am

        Forget all the carousel riding cougar slags and the clamydia college divas of the USSA. Man if I was 20
        Again I would getmamgood location independent it gig and be in the Ukraine right now (might do la or sea from dec-mar) but who needs all the baggage of high notches with low quality women when you could make good $ and live in a country with easy divorces, fine girls who dig older men, and cheap cost of living. Worst case you divorce her and move on and aren’t pinned down to the system like the police state of the USSA.

  41. Boagrius December 15, 2014 at 10:38 pm

    I used to really enjoy 30-something women. Now I am just disgusted. Will not date anyone above age 29. Even these next 10 years I will stay true to that.

  42. dilettante December 15, 2014 at 11:15 pm

    problem is, when you’re new to game, getting those first 10 fucks is a mountain. self doubt & beta comforts beckon to you. i know because im still trying to finish the climb
    (& yeah maybe my game sucks so just can it you critical players, im learning & freeing myself from being beta)
    the easier/faster you can get the 10, the faster you get unplugged from the matrix. the key is helping those struggling to get to 10 so they can in turn help other guys get their 10.

    as an aside – @roosh: i was inspired by your book bang poland & traveled to wroclaw in oct myself to find out the truth about what you said. it was the best/worst week of vacation of my life.
    my day game grew leaps & bounds because i had no choice but to adapt as it was nothing like the USA. it was EASIER & HARDER all at the same time (if youve gamed in poland & are from the US I think you’ll know what i mean) everything you said in your book is true (1 week is too short, buying her a latte is ok, dont come on too cocky). i was so frustrated at one point i wanted to hop on the train in the grozny to go krakow (or even just opole) against your advise.
    consider this life changed because of you Roosh. Thanks.

    1. Hugo December 16, 2014 at 8:48 am

      Tell us more about the trip.

      What metro area of the US are you from (location affects social intelligence a lot-Roosh is right DC people are dorks who think they’re important-couldn’t agree more on that)?

      What was easier/better about Poland?

      Are most of the Polish girls butterfaces and do they look like really rough by their mid 30s?

      Will 18-24yo girls date dudes in their 30s and 40s over there?

      What was worse about the trip and socializing with Polish girls?

      Is Wroclaw pretty cheesy and ghetto or is it fun?

      1. dilettante December 16, 2014 at 9:19 pm

        apologies for the txt wall.

        caveat emptor: i’m brown, i have a erector-set patchwork world game (60 method + daygame + ss), dont tease, & im sub 200’s in my cold aproach (still somewhat of a greenhorn)

        – Chicago, the land of 6’s
        – I stayed in Old Town in Wroclaw, lots of young students (university town – i went on dates with a couple of 18year olds becuz of it, im early 30s). WRO is not really ghetto but its just somewhat rundown outside of the main areas. just be aware of your surroundings, you should be ok.
        – like bang poland says: 2 main night areas in wroclaw (piasz neapolda & rynek).
        my extra info: 3 galleria malls (dominikanska, arkady, & grunwaldzky), plus the grozny train station that connects wroclaw to krakow – all spots for day game (the train station is not the best place i think) i didnt see the erasmus monday night party (outta time)
        cheesy? i dont know what you mean by cheesy. the main square (rynek) is not leicester square so its not filled with billboards. pls explain.
        – polish women are similar once they hit the wall looks-wise. i didnt encounter a lot of 30 yr olds tho. butterface is somewhat right but they’re still kind/sweet & sexy body unlike our US bishes so they get some boner points.
        – pay attention when roosh says no cocky funny during the day. if you do daygame direct: turn the intensity DOWN! still do your approaches but do your sexual subcommunication through intent, not alpha prescence.
        – based on my observation during the night – bring teasing along with your tight urban threads. alpha dominance is key (im short so i sucked in the dance clubs, & bars (both euro & americans style) note i did not fare well in night game.
        – its hard becuz euros have an icy veneer that you have to melt (skepticism + distrust of strangers) in the initial approach. i got used to USA approaches where you can get away with a direct stop without having some skeptical looks (per roosh, euros rely heavy on social circle game – confirmed)
        – its easy becuz, once you get past the icyness, they like the man-woman interaction & theyre always sweet even when blowing you off. there’s no shit test or attitude (at least in daygame).
        of course night game is diff. i met a norweigian chick & i had a good time with a polish chick at a bar but i just was not on point on night game.

      2. Hugo December 17, 2014 at 1:41 am

        Cheesy means lacking in quality or lame- like a cheesy club would play Madonnas songs from 2004 whereas a good club will play solid djs like Armin Van Buren or Paul Van Dyk. Or the dress style in Birmingham, Alabama is cheesy compared to Chicago.

        I thought Chicago had a lot of hot Polish girls?

        What areas are the hot girls at in Chicago? Could you day game there to try your ideas out on American chicks?

        Some of the chicks I’ve seen in the airports there in Chicago on my way to California were smoking hot. Like Jenny McCarthy looking babes. I was impressed.

        What was hard about game with the Wroclaw girls?

        Did Wroclaw or anywhere else you’ve been in Europe have a lot of busty blondes (my favorite kind of women)?

        So- to be accurate- these Wroclaw chicks will date older guys well into their 30s?

        It’s cool you had a fun trip. I appreciate chatting with you here man. Don’t limit your inner game because you’re short or brown- listen to some of Ross Jeffries stuff on inner game- he’s had Indian guys do really well with his teachings because they’re usually smart and focused guys.

      3. dilettante December 17, 2014 at 3:11 pm

        Re: chi-town.

        mccarthy in her prime et al are statistical outliers. the median on the streets isfor young chickies is a 6. yes there are 7s & 8s in wicker park, wrigleyville, etc but rare gem. i havent been to soundbar or rush/division in forever so idk what the clubs&bars are like anymore.

        polish chicks here are also maligned with the anglo feminist virus but just a milder strain (less sass, more gurls stick together attitudes) – dont be fooled. granted i seem to meet foreign-born chicks so i could be biasing (as they seem to respond to my daygame better than the natives) but i have polish co-workers & well… /smh

        Re: cheese

        WRO has the Euro/EDM or USA type of music so it’ll be called an American style bar/club or Euro club. personally i enjoy 90s throwbacks so i enjoyed Mundo 77 even tho i didnt do so well.

        are the polish girls stylish? yes. even in cobblestones of the rynek, they rock the heels (sometimes precariously). Guys? heh… refer to Bang Poland

        i really dont know how to gauge the cheesy level. if youre looking for trendy, WRO isnt really trendy.

        Re: indian

        im not indian lol. im se asian. but short is short

        Re: dating older

        its not a dealbreaker but it will come up. one of the chicks i dated flat out asked what my age is (but she is 18 so i understand that concern). just handle it well (i just said age is just a #, its how u feel inside that determines how young u r) & u should be ok.

        Re: busty Polish blondes

        statistical outliers for D size blondies. most girls i saw in WRO were 7s (roosh says its the land of 7s – confirmed). a lot of them are petite & bout 5’4 or taller. blondes? umm i guess but i couldnt tell u if carpet matches drapes u kno? both the chicks i dated were brunettes so…

        you will notice girls with umbrellas at night in the rynek (if its not raining), if youve been to europe u know what i mean lol

        Re: game difficulty settings vis-a-vie WRO

        see last 2 bullet points (easy & hard)

        re: chicago daygame

        im still a greenhorn so i still have a lot to learn. but i did prove that dating outside the USA is far easier than in it (i got turned to red pill by Nice Guy & Winston Wu). i get nothing in USA & yet i had success outside. vis-a-vie USA: i have my spots & knowing i can approach with no issues helps but ultimately its a numbers game. all i can do is tailor my skills to me so it appears that my game is hand on glove extension of me.

      4. Diop December 18, 2014 at 3:58 am

        I live in Chicago. Agree about it being the land of the 6’s (and under). Is it me or do they continue to rapidly decline in attractiveness as time goes on? One thing that stays consistent is those bitchy, entitled attitudes though….holy shit.

  43. MajorStyles December 16, 2014 at 1:32 am

    The definition of a cum bucket? Amanda, the troll from Toronto.
    Just listen to the solipsistic anger – do you need any more of an example to not marry in the West?

    1. 1812 Immigrant December 18, 2014 at 4:16 pm

      Toronto is where all of those crazy headed bitches spread their feminist dogma BOYCOTT TORONTO.

      1. MajorStyles December 18, 2014 at 4:28 pm

        Too true. Sad as well, considering it is such a beautiful area – Niagara Falls and such. It just goes to show that a beautiful area can be destroyed by feminists within a matter of generations.

  44. Northy December 16, 2014 at 2:33 am

    # No Hymen, No Diamond.

    1. Chuckawobbly December 16, 2014 at 9:46 pm

      Small cock? No rock.

  45. MaxxWiskers December 16, 2014 at 3:06 am

    Its very well known to guys living in Thailand or the Philippines that bar girls (prostitutes) cannot be made into housewives. Countless guys have tried but they always fail. These women are married to the bar lifestyle with all its vices like inability to mange money, being responsible, drug addictions and employability in a regular job. When western girls live like a prostitute it should be no surprise when they have similar issues.

    Its a very good idea to judge someone on the content of there character, judge them by there actions, how they live there lives. SJW may employ shame and false victim-hood for using common sense.

  46. Cheese December 16, 2014 at 4:41 am

    The main problem nowadays is that women have become a walking contradiction to the extent that any man with even a slight nose for bullshit can no longer take them seriously. Writing statuses on Facebook about ‘being treated like a princess’ but then going to a club and fucking some bad boy to feel good. And they think I should give them my genetic info, not a chance.

  47. Anti-Justice December 16, 2014 at 6:36 am

    Very true. I am currently in Sweden and it truly is spot on.

  48. Pantalones December 16, 2014 at 12:11 pm

    Lol
    Look at the angry beta manginas thirsty as Fuck with their long pamphlet responses to one tiny comment from a woman.
    Wasn’t there a policy that if you respond to women you get banned?
    What happened to that?

  49. Sanelity December 16, 2014 at 1:00 pm

    I’ve taken to always looking a woman’s ring finger whenever I think she might be in the 30-40 age bracket. Anecdotally, I’d guess about half to 60% have no ring.

  50. Will December 16, 2014 at 7:19 pm

    I agree with this article, but I can’t bring myself to defile a women. So I just masturbate. It Sucks but i have too much pride to attach myself to the girls you write of.

  51. brin1234 December 16, 2014 at 7:48 pm

    Roosh, as always, great work. To combat this epidemic, I plan on saving $100k and buying into a company in Colombia, moving there for a year to find a x<20 year old Catholic. So to recap, to find a worthwhile girl I need to:

    Have $100k liquid
    learn a new language
    move to a poorer country
    compromise my amazing job
    move away from my family

    smfh…..

    The worst part about this disease is seeing it in my sister and cousins. These girls are beautiful and come from amazing families. Talking with my (male) cousin over Thanksgiving he said, "She's a whore. I mean, I know how many men she's been with." It was just sad especially since I can relate because of my own sister….As a man I just want to protect her.

    1. John December 16, 2014 at 9:44 pm

      Places like Colombia just get boring to tears after a few months, and especially after a year. Few guys stick around long enough to realize how much better it is to live in the first world. There are plenty of downsides of conservative south american women aside from the fact that plenty of them are effectively just as slutty as their american counterparts. Their often inferior education and lack of cultural sophistication make many of them incredibly boring to date. Even with fluent spanish the language/cultural divide can grind you down over time.

      1. Myles December 17, 2014 at 1:24 am

        I hear they don’t even have hot water for showers and good enough plumbing so when you take a dump you have to put the turd covered toilet paper in the trash can.

        ^^^Is that true?

        Is it easy to get food poisoning from grocers, markets, and restaurants as a man with an American digestive system?

        Eating greasy corn arepas and drinking cervezas with big butt Indians who watch Latin soap operas and listen to Shakira sounds like the life.

  52. will December 16, 2014 at 8:27 pm

    “These are end times for traditional pair bonding.”

    Most important line. End losers in this: Women

  53. It's just a phase December 16, 2014 at 9:10 pm

    The sky is falling, the sky is falling!
    There’s an easy solution to all of this: don’t have kids. They’re blackholes of freedom regardless of the sluttiness of your wife.

  54. Chuckawobbly December 16, 2014 at 9:45 pm

    Oh yes, women please save your virginity for this man as he may want to fuck you at some point in his life.

    1. 1812 Immigrant December 18, 2014 at 4:15 pm

      Goback to Toronto Canada you feminist troll.

      1. Chuckawobbly December 18, 2014 at 11:38 pm

        lol I’m not from Canada you woman hating fudge packer.

      2. deepblue9 December 31, 2015 at 1:00 pm

        So you’re basically just a mangina then?

  55. Thoughtful December 16, 2014 at 9:54 pm

    You don’t use protection regularly and leave the country frequently without a forwarding address. Newsflash odds are pretty decent someone whom you would call a “whore” is probably already the mother to the child you abandoned to grow up without a father.

  56. Steve F1 December 17, 2014 at 5:06 am

    I couldn’t care less about how many men my women have had in the past. The only thing that counts is their word and faithfulness. If they want out, tell me, don’t be a low life liar cheater. One of my best long term girlfriends at 21 had over 500 men before me, she loved sex. And that was great for me, she never said no, was as good as the 1st time, plenty of skill and by staying faithful she proved she wanted to be with me. We parted as friends. I’d take a honest whore over a conniving lying virgin.

    1. Tusker December 17, 2014 at 6:32 am

      “You go grrrrrrrrl!!!”

    2. Solo December 18, 2014 at 9:23 am

      500 men? by 21? how many STD’s did you catch Steve

    3. Solo December 18, 2014 at 9:23 am

      500 men? by 21? how many STD’s did you catch Steve

      1. Steve F1 December 18, 2014 at 9:32 am

        This was in the 80’s, I caught none. She wanted to try all boys in High school, all for pleasure, no charge. She’s 53 now and has found someone for the last 25 years that likes it 3 rimes a day. More power to them.

  57. dorabella December 17, 2014 at 8:33 am

    Roosh seems to me like the guy who keeps going to used cars dealerships and then complains because he can’t find a new car. Until you keep banging women who fall for your “techniques”, how can you hope to find a decent human being? Which decent human being would EVER sleep with a PUA?
    You are the victim of Groucho Marx’ club: you hate the kind of woman who would sleep with someone like you.

    1. chiiill December 21, 2014 at 10:10 pm

      I know, right? It’s like, “Did you just neg me, bro? You think of me as prey? Get the hell away.”

  58. Elisabeth Kristiansen December 17, 2014 at 8:37 am

    If you are lonely, the world can spin very fast. But men will adjust to the women, like the women you describe have adjusted to cultural expressions and expectation of men. We are to many humans on this planet, so many can stop procreating and it would be fore the best. And there is always a virgin bride for you by mail order from China. So good luck.

    1. 1812 Immigrant December 18, 2014 at 4:15 pm

      Go back to TORONTO and spread your feminism there you old lady.

      1. Elisabeth Kristiansen December 19, 2014 at 12:16 pm

        LOL. I am from Norway. What I can tell all you men out there is that your mother have had sex with your father. 🙂 hehehe, silly boys.