The Decline Of American Women

I got a short email the other week that contained a Youtube clip. I was ready to watch it for a few seconds before moving on, but I became mesmerized at what I saw. I viewed it just not just once but two additional times, and every couple of days since. Here it is…

Pretty but not plastic, flirtatious but not easy, wholesome but not prudish, feminine but not artificial, serious but not angry, energetic but not grating, natural but not boring, thin and curvy and provocative without tattoos, stretched ear lobes, and shaved haircuts.

Nostalgia for the past is rejection of the present. It’s a sign you’re unable to cope with change and the inevitability of progress, for nothing in the world remains static. It’s very possible that had we all lived in 1969, we would have ached for another era, but I can unequivocally state that I would be happier if I had access to the women in the music video. I can also state that you would also have been happier. No 50 Shades obsessed slut can begin to compete with a woman who can give an abundance of value besides the hole between her legs.

I say this knowing that women from the past were not easy. I know I could not have banged them on the same night. I know that I would have had to invest in them and to reason with their parents to approve of me. These are things that I would—then or now—eagerly do in order to have quality that is simply becoming too hard to find in the country that America has become. It’s a strange thing, if you think about it, that if today is the easiest time to have sex, why are men still discontent? Why isn’t sex on demand with fuck buddies making us happy? Why do we complain about sluts, iPhones, Facebook, and the like, tools which have no doubt increased our notch count? Why is there a nagging feeling in the back our mind that something isn’t right?

The reason is because quantity of sex is only one factor in constituting the happiness of a man, and it’s not a very strong one. Considering that you are awake for over 100 hours a week, how much of that is actually ideal to be spent engaged in sex thrusting? Even if it was a super-human ten hours a week, quantity without accompanying quality pleases a man far less than quality without quantity. I’ve had sex with many feminine women in Eastern Europe, and I can assure you that sleeping with just one of them surpasses sleeping with ten American or Scandinavian sluts who let me smash within the second hour of meeting them.

Quantity will never trump quality, and quality is simply what we lack today in America. We have easier women who are women in genetics only, who can’t even compare with what has awed me in a grainy music video. The women of America today are not feminine, pleasing, sensual, or even interesting, no matter how many marketing and women’s studies classes they’ve taken. They are vaginas, existing solely for an alcohol-fueled pump that is wholly separate from emotion or human feeling. The sad part is that multitudes of men today are clawing at each other, cockblocking each other, putting their own gender on the chopping block and white knighting against their neighbor for a mere chance at the beasts that our culture has produced. We’ve sold out our own kind for a new type of woman that is shamefully clueless on how to please men.

What do we gain in intimacy with the modern American woman? What benefit is added to our character for learning how to jump through hoops for surreal porn sex with a girl who has been brainwashed to believe that women should no longer act like women and that you are the enemy? Choking her and calling her a slut in bed is no different than entertaining yourself with an action movie that is not even worth a second viewing, and every time you do so, thinking that making her gag on your cock is what makes you content, you have unwittingly plugged yourself into the feminist matrix. You strengthen their cause as you dehumanize sex and make it meaningless and insignificant, well removed from its biological and bonding purposes. I must admit that I have done more than my share in helping feminism by increasing the dating options of average girls as I send hordes of men to approach them in the bar and club. Am I not the ultimate traitor to my gender if the result of my work raises the collective ego of low quality women, making them all feel like they’re the princess of the ball? Am I not making it harder for a man of an average station to get his slice of the pie?

If today is the best time for women in terms of having freedom to do whatever they want while simultaneously controlling the behavior of men via misandric protests and laws, then it can not also be the best time for men, for gender balance is a zero sum affair where the gains of one is the decline of the other. No, the best time for men, in terms of fulfillment with women, has long since passed, and all we can do today—in fact, what we are forced to do today—is to go against our nature and be aloof players and approach robots in order to get sexual intercourse, a very basic feature of human life since time eternal, in between grinding away our lives in front of glowing computer screens and smartphones as we make our masters proud, hoping to feel just 1% of the masculinity that men of the past felt.

When I watched that music video, I initially felt happiness that there was a time in America where women were my ideal, but then I felt sadness for everything it has lost, for everything that we will never get back again, and it all makes complete sense why I’ve rejected my own country. It makes sense why I’ve spent so much time in South America and Eastern Europe, especially the latter, where women of that video can still be found right in the supermarket, the cafe, the town square, the bookstore, the nightclub, and the shopping mall just a quarter mile away from where I write this, and my sadness moves away from my own bizarre fate to those men who aren’t that different from me, still stuck in America, suffering gladly because of ignorance and manipulation. I hope they realize what I’ve realized and have the ability to choose as I have, and one day when they’re on an airplane flying from their homeland, they can look down through the clouds and say God Bless America for the greatness it has achieved in its short existence, yet accept what I’ve long since accepted, that America was once great for men, but no more.

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What is even more amazing about the current day American woman is that the act or persona she is carrying is actually hurting her ability to procreate and raise a healthy and happy family.

I still can’t get over how women have their first baby at 36 and how nobody thinks that is totaly insane. My mom had 4 kids by 30 and says she couldn’t imagine trying to run around the living room chasing a toddler at the age of 40. I’m sitting there talking to this super hot chick i’ve been dating regularly….and she asks me what i want in a woman. I gave her the list.

1.) Thin and feminine
2.) The potential to be a good mother to my children
3.) Can keep and sustain a clean and orderly house
4.) Is pleasing and a giver in bed.
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10.) Is smart and has a good job.

She looked at me like I was crazy. I said “if you had to post a vacancy for a job and the job was “mother, wife, companion” what would your top traits be? Smarts, Sass, Sarcastic and FUN…

Wome are idiots. They don’t even realize how easy men are. Stay thin and in-shape, feed me, sex Me and take care of the kids with a smile and I’ll give you whatever you want, whenever you want it. A man will literally empty his wallet for such a woman. Why? Because they are really hard to find these days.

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Agreed!

For me a good women would be:

1. Able to keep a healthy body weight
2. Feminine
3. Sane / Do note create crazy drama all the time
4. A good lover (Understand that men need sex)

5. Nurturing and good to raise kid
6. Able to keep the house and herself clean
7. Able to cook healthy food

Even if this seem to be very basic, women who can meet more that 50% of those criteria are now almost impossible to find. In fact most women would read my list and describe me has a backward chauvinist ass-hole. Even if all those are nothing more than traditional skills and values that 90% of women, whatever the culture and location, had for the past 200000 years.

What I would do for such a women in my life … everything and anything!!!

Just to make it official, I do not fuck white north american women any-more. Its done, they are all banned! Their are more than enough tight Asian on the market!

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Are you honestly hoping to find a quality partner by creating a list of demands and qualifying those demands be met by a “tight Asian”? What about someone who loves you, and who you genuinely love in return? What about someone you enjoy talking to? Someone who stimulates you? Is it so hard to believe that when you show interest in a woman as a real and complete human being, that you just might find a real, complete human being?

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You are talking in fairy tales Jenny Wren. Western women have returned to their sexual ego primacy. What you are talking about is women nearly 100 years ago. Back when they knew such behaviour made the difference between being civilised and uncivilised. Men are bowing out because they know that to join women with their unbridled sexual egos would complete the destruction of western civilisation.

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Sir, please understand I am not in any way condoning the “pump and dump” or “f*#^ and chuck” culture, however men are not by and large bowing out. When women notice men utilizing the cultural terms I mentioned above, and we hear phrases like “Why buy the cow if you can get the milk for free?” the large scale response is to repeat actions in kind (“Why keep a pig if you just want a little sausage?” being an oft heard phrase). What I was trying to learn from Chuck is whether or not he believes he will find a suitable partner / wife with the bullet point checklist and requirement of vaginal status / race. Even if he finds exactly that woman and she genuinely cares for him, how would she likely feel knowing the connection was in no way tied to who she was as a complete person; to her dreams, goals, her ideas. If it were me, I would be sick to my core. I am lucky in that I do have a wonderful gentleman who cares very deeply for me, as I do for him. Neither one of us will ever have to worry about infidelity or dishonesty, as our relationship is built upon mutual respect. He cares for me, even with the simple gestures like brewing a cup of coffee in the Keurig every morning I wake up there – even though he doesn’t drink coffee. I care for him, likewise, even in the little gestures like bringing him a cold beer and a hot meal when he’s working on his laptop. There are other instances from both sides, but I’ll spare the details. This type of relationship (and yes, built by the type of people he and I are) is attainable, but ONLY with mutual trust, respect, and connection.

I don’t believe this type of connection is possible when a person’s partner is nothing more than a list of traits without personality. I suppose I’m just posing the question because I find it difficult to understand.

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Those qualities should be the woman’s dream and goal! I’m not saying that women should be barefoot and pregnant. I have no problem with them being educated and holding a job. But I do have a problem when their career interferes with their primary duty: to their man and family. Men are simple creatures: feed us, sex us, look good for us and take care of our house and children and we’ll gladly open the vault for you. Quid pro quo. But since the gynocentric system feminists have created has become so good at extracting money from us at every turn, women don’t feel like they have to do anything anymore. That – plus the points made by Roosh in this article – are very accurate explanations as to why the marriage rate is plummeting in the US.

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You are absolutely correct in that the marriage rate is plummeting. The thing that stood out to me from your discourse is that you view the primary role of a woman as mother to children and caretaker to men (as evidenced by your belief that a career somehow interferes with the primary role). What about women who don’t want children… or those who are unable to either conceive or carry? Do you feel this choice or this physical condition makes a woman somehow less of a woman? It seems to me that there are many men who also do not wish to have (or are likewise unable to create) children. Also, it saddens me a bit to hear so many men who believe all we want from a man is money. Someone who exchanges their intimate company for money is a prostitute by definition, and not a part of a relationship (assuming that she is in the relationship for monetary gain). The converse is also true – in that men who only enter into relationships for sex are, by definition, a John. What, also, about the men who choose to stay home and raise children while their wife works? I know a few folks in this scenario who are in very happy, fulfilled relationships and marriages. I suppose I’m just trying to get a clearer picture of where you’re coming from.

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I understand that there are some men and women who are physically unable to have children. And I truly hope that those people can find a partner who can accept their condition. But I do not understand anyone who chooses not to have children. If everyone in the world felt that way – especially in the developed world where birth control is readily available – the human race would die out pretty fast. And since women control reproduction then yes – I think that a woman who chooses not to have children is less of a woman. She will not be considered good wife material to the vast majority of men out there. Men bring resources to the marriage and women bring the guarantee of sexual access and children. That’s been the essence of the marriage contract for thousands of years. But things have changed a lot since the advent of no-fault divorce and the explosive growth of the gynocentric legal system we have. Women have absolute control over reproductive rights and sexual access irregardless of the man’s desires. but men are still required to support – in almost all instances. In the past, a man was free to dissolve the marriage if the wife was barren or refused sex. Or in cases of alleged abuse or abandonment, the party wishing to dissolve the marriage had to prove their case before a judge. No more. No-fault divorce turns the marriage into a business arrangement which always benefits the spouse who earns less money in case of divorce: the woman in most cases. And women seem far to eager to dissolve marriages and destroy families – they file for divorce in 75% of cases – because they know they will get the children and they know they can leverage the power of the state (either through social and support programs – financed primarily by men – or direct servitude against the man – child support and alimony) to provide for their every need. As far as house husbands go – I disagree with your assertion that these marriages are totally happy and fulfilled. Changing gender roles goes counter to thousands of years of biological programming. The marriage may survive, but I doubt that each partner feels totally fulfilled.

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Certainly true that if everyone in the world decided against having children that our population would indeed decline to dangerous levels… However the converse is also true. If everyone decided to have many children, then we as a species would overpopulate and likely starve. There is a reason we hunt deer to keep the population of deer healthy. Overbreeding can be just as dangerous as refraining. I am sorry you feel like women who choose not to have children are inherently less womanly. I suppose it also follows that you find men who do not wish to father children to be less manly. The thing is, there are many men who do not desire children… so if all women who were able to birth them did want them, then it would follow that some men would need to inevitably be tricked or trapped somehow into fathering them in the confines of a marriage. This doesn’t seem either honest or proper to me. It seems the best and logical 5hing would be if each partner were honest with his or her desires up front, so the other partner could make an informed and educated decision on whether or not to continue in a given relationship. For example, my boyfriend and I both would like 2 children in the future. I know that ahead of time, and therefore see no issue in continuing a relationship. If he wanted a high number of children or none at all I could decide for myself whether or not I wanted to continue the relationship. This is how open and honest communication of needs works. As far as women having control over sexual access regardless of a man’s desire? This is the nature of consent. Just as it is the right of a man with a lower sex drive than his female partner to decline if he is not “in the mood”. Believing that it is only one sided, that the male naturally always has a higher sex drive, is a fallacy of logic. Being the more sex-driven partner on my own relationship, it saddens me to see my wonderful gentleman feeling badly about himself because he feels like society expects him to be horny 24/7 sickens me. I NEVER want him to feel less of himself for any reason, least of all related to sex drive. Because he is still the one who hung the moon, who holds my heart, I am therefore understanding of his desires and temper my overbearing drive to meet his. This has nothing at all to do with male or female. This is simply what a truly loving and empathetic partner does. To feel slighted or offended by a partner whose passions may not run as hot as your own is simply selfishness.

Finally, with regards to happiness and fulfillment… thesr things are subjective by their very definition. To presume to know what fulfills someone or makes them happy is no more than arrogance. It truly does take all kinds.

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I agree that, in certain circumstances, there are couples who will deviate from the norm. And I will say that you are a rare find indeed if you truly feel the way you do about your man and your relationship. But looking at society as a whole, most relationships are not as good as yours. I do agree that a man who chooses to not have children is not as much of a man. There is only one primary function of any form of life: to reproduce. Those that choose to not reproduce are not fulfilling their basic, primal requirement as a participant in the living planet. And let’s think about money too: what happens to the various social protection programs (I’m thinking Social Security, but there are others) if people do not have children to support those programs? I think it a little selfish if a person collects benefits without providing future wage earners to support the system in the future. I agree that consent is a reasonable requirement for sexual access today, but what about consent for the man too? I’m thinking about situations where a woman gets pregnant without the man’s consent (“of course I’m on the pill!”) or maybe even without the man’s knowledge (“sperm diving” – when a woman impregnates herself with the contents of a recently discarded condom). Why should he be required to support a child he never consented to conceiving? Or why should he be required to support a child that isn’t his unless he consents to supporting that child? It happens all the time. With power comes responsibility. Those that enjoy the power also must bear the responsibility of their incorrect decisions. But that’s not what happens.

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I absolutely agree that if a woman lies about being on birth control or “sperm dives” that it creates a tricky situation. Having unprotected sex does mean accepting a certain level of risk, as even the best non-permanent birth controls can fail. “Sperm diving” can be easily eliminated by rinsing out a condom with hot water before discarding, if this is a concern, or keeping a ziplock handy and discarding any used condoms away from the female partner. I know this sounds extreme, but the other option is to refrain from sex with a woman you are averse to impregnating. This sounds less practical, given modern attitudes.

As for my relationship, yes, from what I can tell it is out of the norm. For this I am immensely grateful and I do realize how lucky I am. That said, I certainly refuse to believe that this type of mutually respectful relationship is impossible to find.

Regarding men who choose to abstain from fathering children, I absolutely believe there are some who made a wise choice. In the argument of Nature vs Nurture, I believe Nature and genetics does play a large part. My parents were unable to conceive and so both my sister and I are adopted (from different families). Though raised in the same environment by the same people, we couldn’t be more different. Noting that, men who have genetic traits which are undesirable (like a major heart defect, severe mental or physical abnormalities) and opt against reproduction make sense to me. The same holds true for women who recognize a flaw in their genetics which would likely pass to future generations. There are certainly enough people pushing out babies like it’s their job to more than balance out the equation in my mind. With shows highlighting “Octomom” or the Duggar family (19 kids?) I have little doubt the population will continue to thrive even to a frightening surplus regardless of those who opt against. For me the biggest thing of importance is finding a relationship where the desires of both partners align.

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Tricky situation? disagree. Not tricky at all. If a woman lies about birth control or “sperm dives” then whatever happens is her fault and she should bear the entire responsibility for the pregnancy and costs of raising the child. Yes – there is always a risk of birth control failure. But in these cases she exposes the man to a risk that he did not know about – therefore could not consider when he decides to engage in sex. I would go even further and say that any birth control failure is the fault of the woman. After all – she is the only one that can positively say that there is adequate protection or not. Most birth control methods are controlled by the woman, and the only one that is available to the man is easily seen by the woman; she can decide if the condom is adequate, properly worn and fitted, etc. And the woman is the one who is saddled with pregnancy and childbirth if the method fails, so she has a bigger stake in the outcome of the sexual encounter. Women have all the power when it comes to sex and reproduction – and with power should come responsibility. But that’s not what happens right now. Change the laws so that men are not financially responsible for children they didn’t consent to conceiving (or children that are not theirs – I think paternity testing should be mandatory) and watch the rate of unintended or accidental pregnancy plummet.

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Even if a woman lied or sperm dove, there is very little chance of proving it. It would wind up being her word vs yours and in the law’s eyes the only provable thing is the parentage of the existing child. In the cases of birth control failure, unless the guy is totally clueless about birth control (in which case he is likely far to irresponsible to be having sex anyway, given the availability of information online) the guy is well aware of the possibility of failure. Some men have even been known to poke holes in condoms in an effort to intentionally impregnate a woman. If laws no longer held men responsible the wise course for women would be to use the only 100% effective birth control… abstinence. Just as women understand the risk of a condom breaking could allow the transmission of a STD/STI, so too do men understand the risk of pregnancy (unless they’re complete idiots). If that risk is not acceptable, then either don’t engage in sex or have a vasectomy performed. There’s a reversible variety.

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ohhh Jenny – you’re starting to sound like a feminist! Suggesting that the man has to solve this problem by getting a vasectomy is decidedly feminist. Surgery? Why is it always his problem to solve? It’s much less intrusive to both parties if the woman simply says no. There can’t be an unintended pregnancy if there is no intercourse. He said vs. she said can easily be handed. California did it with the “yes means yes” law. I’m sure you’re in favor of that law, because in a he said – she said situation the woman will always win. A hole poked in a condom is pretty easy to prove – but of course it means that the woman has to take responsibility for saving the condom (and not poking holes in it herself!). And I disagree that women would have to be 100% abstinent if the laws were changed, but what they would have to do is take responsibility for their sexual access (or better yet – withhold sex entirely until they are in a mutually monogamous relationship – preferably married). If women simply closed their legs more often, there would be greatly reduced need for birth control or vasectomies – lowered STI’s – the benefits are endless! And I disagree with your inference that the laws are adequate. There are far too many women out there who have children only because they have no worries about supporting them. They can depend on the power of the state (either through social / support programs available that are primarily financed by men, or direct servitude against the man – it’s called child support and alimony) to provide for their every need. Man can’t pay? he gets thrown in jail. I though we abolished debtor’s prisons hundreds of years ago? And with no-fault divorce, the woman can have it all simply by telling the judge that the marriage is broken. She doesn’t even need to give a reason! No wonder over 50% of the marriages in the US end in divorce, with the woman initiating the action 75% of the time. Makes me sick.

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Be careful, John! I’m not too sure the idea of women keeping their legs perpetually closed before marrriage is going to sit too well with the general populous here! As for myself, I do keep my knees tight outside of a mutually monogamous relationship where the discussion of children has already occurred… but then I’m also 33. Not quite a kid anymore! As for the yes means yes laws and ideas, of course I am in favor, but there again comes the burden of proof. How can a woman prove she didn’t say yes if there was no one else in the room? Women must take the needed measures of caution to try and avoid consequences, just as men must. If a 15 minute outpatient procedure is what a man might want to ease his mind and avoid unwanted pregnancies, then it is an option he should consider. If avoiding sexual contact outside of a relationship where kids would be a consideration is what will ease his worry, then that is what he should consider. The balance of risk weighs, obviously, on both parties. Open and honest discussion, uncomfortable as it may be from time to time, is absolutely necessary to maintain an open, honest encounter – whether in the bounds of a relationship or otherwise. Just as not all men are out there to rape us women, not all women are out there to trap you men. There are rapists out there, and there are trappers. We as sensible human beings must take what precautions we can to avoid those negative sorts of people, but just as you can’t unrape someone, untrapping someone can be equally difficult. It saddens me that as a culture, we must contend with these bad elements, but sadly we must.

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“Even if a woman lied or sperm dove, there is very little chance of
proving it. It would wind up being her word vs yours and in the law’s
eyes the only provable thing is the parentage of the existing child.”

Perfect example of how the laws in this country are tilting heavily in favor of women. And why men have done the math and said relationships are no longer worth the risk.

If a woman lies and tells a man she can’t get pregnant (or pokes holes) he still has to pay. If a man does it, the women can choose abortion or keep it, but she doesn’t have to pay the man even if he raises the child.

I ran track in college and I had to go to a seminar twice a year to be taught/reinforced to be careful with women (hidden message stay away altogether) because if one woman says something about you and you can’t prove your innocence beyond a doubt, your career is ruined.

And that was 20 years ago- the situation has only become more lopsided. The risks are just no longer worth the reward.

It’s like Unions in this country, they are in drastic decline because they did such a good job of “winning”. Women have succeeded in not ‘needing’ men. And now are aloof as to why they are no longer in demand??????

Go home tonight, turn off all the lights, and then complain to your boyfriend that it’s too dark. See what his response is. Then do it every day for the next 10 years and see how he feels about it.

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There is a great need of care required on both sides. A guy can carry his own condoms and dispose of them as he sees fit to feel safe. On the converse, even Roosh V who writes this blog openly advocated making it legal to rape a woman if she willingly went onto your private property… even if she had no intention and made no insinuation of sex. There is a current national backlog of rape kits yet to be processed – 700,000 approximately. So if men must be wary of women and women must beware of men, what are we as a society to do? How can we restore trust between the genders? Is it possible?

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You want to restore trust between the sexes? There is only one way and it will NEVER happen. Hold women EQUALLY responsible for their actions as men. Only women can do this. It requires they reject their ancient gender privileges. NEVER HAPPEN!

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They should refrain from having sex with women they are adverse to having children with. Good one, excellent point.

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If women did not have a Vagina and/or produce kids, why would I bother seeking companionship with her? I might as well have a male friend without the sex and/or adopt.

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Well… I can think of a number of reasons, but we may or may not have the same priorities. I’m 33. For me, I enjoy companionship with my sweetheart for a lot of reasons not related to childbearing. He is my hiking / exercise buddy and encourages me as I encourage him. We push ourselves. We reward each other with kisses and congratulations. He is my shooting partner. Day dates to the gun range and lunch after is somehow more richly enjoyed with a romantic partner – again, because our mutual encouragement can take the form of physical embraces. Light hearted bets can be an exciting addition as well. (Everything from “If I hit more clays, you’re getting dinner. Or.. If you shoot a perfect 25 I’ll give you road head on the way home” Innocent to lascivious. Couldn’t do that with just a buddy) We cuddle on the couch, work on the garden… whatever. It seems every aspect of my life is richer and more vibrant for having him there… and no, we haven’t made any babies as yet. Fast forward to much later life. I see my grandparents, with no kids to raise, still enjoying shared company. She still holds his hand and he still tells her she’s beautiful. If it were only about making babies, there’d be no reason to care too much about each other before or after.

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Your grandparents would be shocked that you plan to have kids after 30…. and also shocked that you’re not married by 30 and don’t have any kids yet. That generation was differnt in many ways…. you can’t just pick only the ones that favor your argument. Well, you can but you won’t get taken as seriously as you hoped.

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Actually, my grandparents are both very proud of me and frequently express as much. As for being shocked I don’t have children? Well, this is probably sharing too much personal information, but after 4 miscarriages I’m a bit surprised myself. As for marriage, I gave that a shot too. I was away for basic military training (an enlistment we had discussed ad nauseum) and he waited a grand total of one week before there was another woman in his bed. So much for 7 years. As such I have become a great deal more cautious. My sweetheart and I have discussed kids, and we’d both like to have 2 at some point in the future. He is aware of my history of difficulty and doesn’t shy from open discussion and hope. Please do not assume that because you perceive my opinions to be different from yours that I must be the feminazi hydra spitting misandry from my many heads. Please do not presume to know my story without ever speaking to me… and don’t you dare ever presume to know what my family feels about me without knowing them or their stories either. Let’s not degrade what could be a worthwhile conversation with trolling for a response.

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My last remaining grandmother passed this last year and she will be greatly missed. We’ve spoken at great length on this topic and were very close. The times are very different now from the world she grew up in, and raising a child in today’s world involves challenges and difficulties they didn’t face in her era. It was actually her advice to neither get married nor have children unless I and my prospective husband were aware, accepting, and able to face these challenges openly and with a full heart. I agree with her. Helen and Frank were married for 69 years before his passing in 2015 and hers in 2016.

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“Or.. If you shoot a perfect 25 I’ll give you road head on the way home” Innocent to lascivious. Couldn’t do that with just a buddy)”

Funny how you proved HIS point with that part. His point was “why would I bother seeking out a woman if not for her sexual value to me. I’d rather hang out with male friends, if companionship if all I’m after.” And your response was that a woman can give a man head? Yeah, that was HIS point. That’s what he was saying – if it doesn’t involve sex, he’d rather just get things from his male friends. SEX is the variable where women matter.

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Jenny- you are a voice of reason. I feel bad that it’s falling on ‘somewhat’ deaf ears. I think the problem, in part at least, is you are associating with and describing women from an older generation- the great generation or maybe the very beginnings of the baby boomers.

The vast majority of American women are just not like that any more. They really are only in it for the financial pay off. Not eveyr single woman in America, but such a large number that makes it common and expected (thus creating the image for all). Not just that, but breaking a good man’s bank and when it’s used up, dumping him for someone else that hasn’t been burnt yet.

So many men have been burnt; that gullible pool is ever decreasing. Not a lot of men left in this country that will fall for it. And many young men who have seen it happen to others and won’t fall for it even once.

I think of it as a dominoes affect: Women were miss treated by men and trained their daughter to hate men (In a lot of cases not intentionally, but in a way that created the same affect). In turn that hate for men (pride, self awareness, strength, and other fancy names feminism has put to it) has in turn created the mistreatment of men in thsi country- there is no longer any disagreement on how laws currently favor women dramatically more than men. So now, men are going through that hate period. The difference, as I mentioned in another post, American men are happy to go over seas to find a soul mate whereas American women tend to just hate all men. And the feeling seems to be mutual across the planet.

As a result- I don’t see American women waking up (Because they will think of it instead as giving in – once again only hurting themselves in the long run). A see a lot less white babies in the worlds future.

Let me reiterate- a perfectly acceptable result for men. They’re perfectly content to let American women continue to ruin their own futures.

This is what I see and if you search this topic and go past the articles and onto the comments you see plenty of evidence to back it all up.

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I feel saddened that you have become so embittered. Believe it or not, most of the women I’m talking about are peers from my own social circle – ranging in age from 21 to about 40. I am not sure what women you have met in your locale are like, but it sounds as if you are seeking a better class of person. If you or others decide an overseas bride is the way to go, by all means. Truly. Seek your happiness. A life without love is a lonely one. Maybe I am an anomaly. Perhaps the women with whom I socialize are anomalies… but I believe there are others like us in the world. Real, honest ladies. We’re just waiting to meet our gentlemen. (Well, I have mine, or rather he has me… but that’s the trick. Real. Honest. Gentlemen)

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Seriously, you don’t understand his comment about white babies? It’s nothing to do with racism.

I think he meant, as I have come to the same conclusion, that men aren’t impregnating American white women as they, to be very nice, are not marriage material.

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Do you see this in real life, or just on the internet?
I’ve never once met a girl like you’ve described. (Wanting to use me for my money.) I think you have a very distorted world view.

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You are 100% correct. Jenny is in denial and, obviously, cannot see things from the American male perspective.

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Clearly, eekwalitee has contaminated your brain. I don’t think you will ever understand the truth about male/female relationships. At least not until you are re-educated. Good luck.

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Marriage rate is plummeting because many people realize marriage is nothing more than legal contract between a man and woman. And in that contract the man is the one who bears all the responsibility of the agreement. If the marriage fails, its the husband who has to give up his assets and children to his former wife. Its a losing proposition for the husband. Why do you think so many men are discouraged from marriage these days. A woman really does not enhance your day to day life, in many ways can make it worse.
Most women begin to lose their looks after the age of 30, and after 40 its a sharp drop downhill for most women. Thank the lazy Western lifestyle and diet for this to occur. The only thing of value that women offer men these days is sexual release, and a woman’s ability to please her partner drops after 30, and gets even worse after 40.
Ever seen those gorgeous actresses from 20 years ago and see how they look today? Complete has beens, no wonder many have no work in the film and TV industry today.

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I have seen open gold-digging behavior in just about every single woman I’ve been exposed to in the last five years. Western women are not only gold-diggers, they are stupid gold diggers, in that they are judging men to be poor who actually turn out to make lots of money only a few years later. Women in the West are idiots, but there are golddiggers everywhere. Women think they deserve everything for nothing. They are pure trash.

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Terribly sorry that has been your experience. Tommy and I still split things and happily so. Just took him out for dinner tonight and had a lovely time. Today is Veterans Day, and while I am the military member, every November 11 I treat *him* to dinner…. because without his support at home, knowing if and when I deploy that I don’t have to worry about things at home, is what *allows* me to do my job. His sacrifice is every bit as honorable as mine is. We had a great dinner and got to spend the whole day enjoying each other’s company.

If you are worried about gold digging behavior, perhaps watch for red flags. If a woman is more interested in what you do for work, what you have, or what you drive that could be a warning sign.

If she’s interested in what you believe, if you are a gentleman, and if conversation flows in such a way that she’s looking to learn about what makes you tick as a human; that’s a better indicator of compatability.

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John sounds like he has been listening to Tom Leykis podcasts. I have a batch of them downloaded myself, and while I am extremely jew-wise – and I fully understand what Leykis and his (((fellow ilk))) are up to – which is to push every conceivable policy, behavior, agenda or lifestyle choice that helps to reduce the birth of White children and which undermines and destroys the traditional White family structure that was so successful up until the 1960s.

Despite my savvy about what the Tribe and Leykis are up to, I find myself admitting that many of the criticisms that I have heard from Leykis concerning manipulative and conniving women are based on a substantial element of truth. He is dead right with his criticisms of ‘career women’ being very lousy wife material, and it always boils down to their priorities – does the job or their husband and children come first?

Jenny might want to hit youtube and look for Tom Leykis and download and listen to a few of his podcasts. Keep in mind my warning – his role is one of deliberate and malicious subversion of the traditional White American family structure and an endless criticism and mocking of the social boundaries of morality and behavior that helped to strengthen the family structure. But, as long as you are able to keep this warning in mind – proceed to listen to some of his material and you will learn a good deal of valuable information on what helps or hurts a relationship between a man and a woman.

Disclaimer: This is NOT an endorsement of Tom Leykis. It is an endorsement of the notion that men and women need to stop lying and playing games with each other and learn to have honest communications about what is important in a relationship.

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I have never listened to him, but to be honest I have been extremely busy with preparations for Tom and my wedding. We are getting married in about a month and I want to make sure it’s the perfect day for him. We’re doing it at our home and my personal business venture is opening and licensing my meadery. I brew honey wine. Even that has been put on hold so I could brew enough mead for the wedding. The batch came out lovely, so with that out of the way I’ve been preparing for food. Next weekend Tom and I are going out hunting for boar. We get one decent sized one for the freezer, but this year we’re hunting for a smaller sized one for our guests. It might not exactly be the “traditional” role of a woman to hunt and butcher, but it works for us! Once we have the boar I need to scale the hair and butterfly the whole thing for the whole hog roast we’re doing on the big day! I have a little time while a rabbit thaws for dinner, but need to get back to processing 3 bushels of apples! Spiced apples are going to be a side and it will save me a ton of time if I can can them in quart jars ahead of time.

It goes without saying that this will be my last post for a while. I wish you men all the luck in the world in finding a woman that completes your life in a way that is satisfying to you both. Mutual respect, shared goals, and always love be yours!

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I believe a man should have a list of minimum standards for a mate or just get a ‘guy friend’ ( they are more reliable). 精彩的!

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Minimum standards are a given for anyone seeking a relationship… however these standards generally relate to personality, morals, commonalities, behaviors, etc. If the minimum standard includes a tight vagina, there are only two ways to determine if a prospective partner meets that criteria… asking or finding out on your own. If, as many men on here state, you are looking for a woman with traditional values who exhibits feminine, traditional womanly qualities then very likely she will be offended by a direct and brazen line of questioning. If she lets you find out, she may be dismayed to find you place her in the pump and dump category. This sort of activity is generally appalling to the more traditionally minded women and may give her cause to reevaluate her value system. Just food for thought.

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Thanks for your well articulated writings …

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Thank you very much. I truly do believe a relationship built on love, trust, and mutual respect is possible. I would love nothing more than for these men who feel so dejected and hopeless to find the sort of relationship I have found so deeply fulfilling. Real love is indeed possible.

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Men are, indeed, bowing out in drones. You don’t have to be search-engine-savvy to find it all over the Internet.

Having said that I don’t agree with Chuck or his list either. Then again he represents a much smaller # of the male population and is not the type you should be worried about.

Most good men want equal value and trust in their relationships and the honest truth is, that fairness has disappeared in/with American (western) women.

You want to talk about lists? Do you even social media? It is filled (to the brim) with memes and quotes and pictures with lists…… lists of what a man should give to a woman (not the reverse); lists of what a woman should not put up with in a man (not the reverse); lists of how to tell if a man is worthy (not the reverse).

What you are seeing from Chuck and many younger males (30 and below) is a “enough is enough” attitude. It’s backlash; it’s rebellion. Women will call it anything but that in order to preserve their false sense of the world. They will say there are no more men, they will say childish or chauvinistic… anything o make it mens fault.

And the longer women in America lie to themselves about the causes, the longer the trend will continue. Women’s answer: men are all pigs (with a little sausage as you put it). Mens answer: women over seas are better. It should be very easy to see who loses out on this.

American women/society has pushed men to the brink and the rest of the world sees it too- you can see page after page of sites and comments about women from around the world looking for American men, but next to none on foreign men looking for American women.

And not just towards men- even women admit women are the worst:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/nov/18/women-own-worst-enemies-study

The reason more men aren’t jumping up and telling American women they are seeing the Sexodus wrong

(http://www.breitbart.com/london/2014/12/04/the-sexodus-part-1-the-men-giving-up-on-women-and-checking-out-of-society/)

is because they just don’t care anymore about the future of American women.

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I agree that news feeds have a lot of articles like that. I don’t tend to read them. However, have you ever happened to glance at a magazine while leaving a grocery store? While in a hair salon? You will be bombarded with headlines telling women 30,000 different ways to a flat stomach, perfect breasts, great hips, getting ready for bikini weather, how to turn him on, how to keep him from straying, new steamy bedroom tricks… the list goes on. Scootch on over to the dusty underbelly of the interwebs and you will find Pro-Ana sites, “thinspiration” forums, and every pill, potion, and lotion you can imagine to make women feel like she’s worthy of a good man. Want to catch his eye??? New Green Tea Colon Cleanse! If you really want to know where the women you’re describing as ideal have gone, look no further than the media you believe is misandryist. What are they telling young women is of value? An honest heart and a gentle demeanor? Or a thigh gap and sexual prowess?

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Irrelevant comparison. Women telling men what to do vs. women telling women what to do. See the trend? Women telling everyone what to do is the problem.

Name ONE female gender role that is ENFORCED on women. Men’s have never changed, actually they have INCREASED.

You think you are observant, informed, and intelligent. You are blind and ignorant.

Deceit, by definition, is not detectable. You are clearly deceived.

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You never did care about us and now we don’t care about you. Go to your Latinas and whatever’s and good riddance because it was always about you men collectively and we just got tired of your thoughtless cheating and male privilege.

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Marriage rates have plummeted and are at an all time low. The average first marriage age of men in 2002 was 25 and in 2012 it was 35. Do the math, men are certainly, by and large, bowing out. It’s a fact.

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Is waiting longer for marriage really the same as “bowing out,” though? I know a lot of people are waiting until they’re sure of their partner and financially ready.

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You sound fucking crazy. You realize that? This whole website is a fucking fairy tale.

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I fail to see how women’s sexuality is powerful enough to destroy any civilization.

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Are you INSANE?! Women, especially western women, all have a huge list of demands for their men. 1) He MUST have a good, respectable job. 2) He must be clever, handsome, buff, funny, and entertaining at all times (Girl logic lumps this into one criteria) 3) He must be able to know exactly what I want at all times without my ever telling him. 4) He must excuse any sort of irrational behavior on my part, simpy because “I’m right, even when I’m wrong”. 5) He must be a real man, yet simultaneously submit to my will on all things. 6) He must grant me every wish I ask of him, yet still respect my “independence”. 7) He must let me pay for the check at restaurants. AND SO ON.

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Wow… Darren. I’m truly sorry this has been your experience. Sounds to me like you need to start interacting with a better class of people. Having a job of some kind has become a requirement for me over the years, admittedly, but not so my gentleman can pay for me all the time. Because I hold down a respectable job and am able to support myself I expect a partner that does the same. This is so as to assure that I am not responsible for his bills as well as my own. (Been there. Got taken for a ride big time). Also, I like very much to be able to treat my guy to dinner, to a day at the range, to a concert, whatever… and he appreciates that because he is able to do the same for me when he wants to. It’s not a requirement or expectation, so it’s much more enjoyable for me to pick up the tab.The whole funny, buff, entertaining thing? I do appreciate that my gentleman takes care of his body, but he appreciates that I keep myself up as well. I’m absolutely over the moon for him, so naturally I think of him as charming, to say the least. We spent hours last night hanging masonite and working on projects, and I had a blast just listening to music with him and being able to help. Doesn’t seem like asking too much. On the converse, I’d be willing to wager if I was charmless – tedious to speak to, demanding, nagging, etc that he would very quickly lose interest. As for 3? Neither of us are psychcic. I don’t expect or want him to try to “just know”. Open and honest discourse is far preferable. 4. Irrational or illogical behavior? I don’t want an excuse!! I want a guy that will call me out in a respectful way and am lucky enough to have that. Excusing irrationality only encourages irrationality as a habit. No thanks! 5. Masculine and self assured, yes, but equality is far preferable to submission. I don’t indulge him in all things and he doesn’t indulge me in all things, however both of us enjoy the indulgences we grant. 6. He appreciates when I treat, but it is not set in stone that I have to. If he wants to pay, he’s free to, but he knows I like spoiling him on occasion!

Maybe I’m the weirdo. That does seem to be the consensus… However I’m sure there must be more women out there who feel this way too. I wish you all the luck in the world finding the one who makes your heart sing. smile

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“Sounds to me like you need to start interacting with a better class of people.” Yes, foreigners. Do you date all these American women you claim aren’t like that? If not then you are incredibly gullible.

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Sounds like female solipsism is preventing you from understanding the male perspective. Get it through your thick skull that men are visual beings. They are primarily attracted to beauty and youth before anything. Its biology. Its how men have been able to successfully select the most fertile and healthy females for reproduction. You are a post wall woman who’s way past her prime and your opinion does not matter in these parts.Your views might matter to naive egalitarians and male feminists.Listen,we only really need women for sex(reproduction) and nurturing. The other nonsense(Stimulating, partnership,interesting conservation etc) you project to men are nice to haves.

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Thank you for providing an excellent example of the kind of male who would never turn my head. Glad I already have myself a handsome and true gentlemen already and luckily don’t have to lower myself to such low hanging fruit as your type.

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Lol i would never date a single mom anyways

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Career women have really Destroyed many of us Good men these days do to their Greed And Selfishness that they carry around with them Everywhere they go.

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I do not have any children as yet and will not be considering that until married. And no worries about my feelings regarding your preferences… you would have no chance with me regardless.

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Career women really suck altogether these days since they really think that they’re so very high and mighty but are real losers anyway.

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Sounds like you are the one who don’t have much to offer and are just resentful. Why don’t you stop whining and work on yourself?

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And yet another real loser woman has spoken.

Janice Freidel
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Have at it dude!

BlackKnight
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I’m quite sure I’m not missing out on anything. I do not want women over 25 to turn their heads towards me anyways.

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Again… Wasn’t talking about me personally. You’re definitely not my type and I am already quite spoken for.

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I dont care and good riddance.

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You sound like a real Loser yourself.

Janice Freidel
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We are attracted to beauty also and men with similar mores; unfortunately many of you are not attractive to us and you lack morals and a work ethic.

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Love does not exist in America. It’s artificial love made by Hollywood. Women see these movies and music video’s and expect prince charming who is somewhat of a badass. Love does not exist in America because money and greed have taken over the hearts of women in America. Game over America.

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Certainly not with these low life pathetic women that we have out there nowadays, that is for sure. And most of the women in the good old days were real ladies and they really did put these women today to real shame altogether as well.

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Spoken like a true woman from her own feminine worldview. See you’re a woman, so what you want from a man is different.

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Quite possibly, yes. What men want from men and what men want from women would naturally be quite different. As for me? We found what we need from each other. I am getting married at the end of October in a rushed courthouse ceremony. This is an unfortunate change from our ideal. We wanted to be married at the end of March in 2019….. however the needs of the military changed things and moved our schedule forward. I will be needed in Afghanistan during that time and wish to deploy with his name on my breast. I want to be certain, should things go bad, that he will be taken care of. So yes….. what we need as two unique humans will vary greatly from what any other two humans might need from another… but there is deep love between us. There can be deep love between any of you and your pair. To find your match you need only define what it is you need to feel fulfilled… and know what you are willing to give for it. I dearly wish you all the best.

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Those qualities are present in less than 10 percent of the current American female population. And unfortunately things have gotten so bad that any traditional notion of women is seen as chauvinist and mysoginistic.
Feminists are absurd, and that might be an understatement.

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Joseph – I don’t believe wanting any set of qualities in a partner is misogynistic in any way. I think the problem arises when it is suggested that *all* women should think, act, look, or believe a certain way. This is as ridiculous as thinking all men should fall into a set mold. Myself, I prefer a gentleman who is both masculine and gentle but is not challenged by my abilities or skills. Likewise, I am a lady who can be incredibly feminine and makes a concerted effort to keep up my appearance, show pride in my partner, support his dreams and aspirations, and shower him with affection. The type of woman I am succeeded in attracting the type of man I prefer, and I am blessed to have him in my life. Is this making sense? If I went out clubbing every night in short skirts with too much makeup, he would never have given me the time of day. However, without those kind of women it is highly unlikely the one night stand would even exist… so there are men who desire that type of woman. Likewise I would never give the kind of man who would go after that type of woman the time of day. Yes, the traditional, 1940s type of woman is a rare bird indeed, but real gentlemen are equally rare, thus competition is few. Likewise there are an abundance of “players” out there… provided for by a plethora of one-night-stand ready women. It’s supply and demand. The angry “feminists” you see so often are surprisingly frequently women who are feeling hurt by the high percentage of players vs a low percentage of those who appreciate strong or empowered women. Just as most men are happiest when they feel like they have accomplished something they can be proud of, so do most (but of course not all) of the most vocal “feminists” ache for a partner who will take pride in her agency and ability, and support her dreams so she can feel free to support her partner. When a woman is made to feel like her skills or abilities are devalued, she feels devalued as well. Is any of this making sense?

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It all makes sense. Women can do what women want to do. But men can too. I’m happy that you and your husband mesh so well, but your marriage is the exception rather than the rule. Men have endured 40 years of feminist dogma that has gotten more and more militant over the years. If you want to understand who men feel the way the do just walk down any city street on a warm summer day. The vast majority of women are not physically attractive. The’re overweight, dressed horribly, short hair, etc. Oh – and I almost forgot the bitchy, self entitled attitude. Now mix in the awareness that a majority of US marriages end in divorce, with 75% of those divorces initiated by women. She will get half of the marital assets (that she may have done nothing to help acquire), the children, alimony and child support, etc. Man can’t pay? lost his job? There is a very real chance that he will be thrown in jail to enforce compliance. We abolished debtor’s prisons hundreds of years ago – except for that debt. Oh yeah – sign me up for that program! This stuff is always in the back of men’s minds. It doesn’t matter how well they get along, relate, etc. And it doesn’t matter how much he appreciates her or she appreciates him. If the marriage falls apart – for any reason – she will want it all. And in many cases she gets it all. So men are reacting the only way they can: they are either withdrawing from marriage (MGTOW, PUA, porn, video games, etc.) or they are insisting on the perfect sex toy (if the marriage is ultimately doomed, at least they get some awesome sack time for a while). The marriage rate has never been so low, and no one is having kids inside marriage anymore. Men do not want to participate in this type of society. Sad. But I don’t think anything will really change until the government realizes this because of a precipitous drop in tax revenue, or when they run out of men to extract money from in the form of child support and alimony. Then maybe something will be done – by government and women – about the abhorrent way men are treated in this country.

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Perhaps I am deriving more from my own experiences than from those of the negative population. I truly believe we are, at least in part, judged by the company we keep, so the bitchy, self-entitled women you speak of simply aren’t a part of my social circle. I have, sadly, seen more than my share of entitled, morally bankrupt men. My sweetheart and I are not married, but have been dating each other on and off for the last 14 years. Seems like no matter what happens in either of our lives, we return to each other. I have been married and am now divorced… after being cheated on with no real effort toward subtlety when I was away at Air Force Basic Training. As a result, it does take me a longer amount of time to trust. I did divorce him, but don’t like the idea of a messy custody battle over assets… even though he blew $14k of money i had earned to set up a recording studio in his basement. (He turned out to be a real gem). I chose to cut my losses and leave with what was left of my dignity. Again… drawing on personal experience rather than making assumptions about lives I haven’t lived. Would I marry my current sweetheart? Yes. However it has taken 14 years of knowing him for me to be comfortable with the idea of giving marriage another shot. He has proven himself unimpeachably honest and honorable without fail. As for short hair? Don’t be so quick to knock it! My gentleman, for example, is very much aroused by short haired women… so I had mine cut very similarly to Audrey Hepburn in her role in the movie Sabrina. (Adorable film, by the way, for a “chick flick”). At any rate, the long and short solution is to decide what it is you desire in a partner, align your actions and behavior in such a way as to be worthy of that sort of woman, and set about separating the wheat from the chaff. If a woman does not meet the standards you have set about assuring you are worthy of expecting, then don’t give her the satisfaction of tour attentions. Best of luck, dear! I have all the hope in the world for you.

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Modern feminism has fucked up men for the worse, most young men are confused and most are emasculated. I get depressed when I see young men who seem confused and lack no confidence in a society that places women above men, which is America in 2015, and most Western nations are the same.
I am glad I got to experience a different type of social paradigm where men got to be men, because the men of today are a complete joke, and quite a few already notice this. I normally do not talk to feminists. You will probably react in a hateful way like some Nazi towards my views but those are my feelings on the matter.

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Actually, I share a good portion of your sentiment. Modern “feminism”, at least the version you’re discussing, is little more than misandry. The true and original intent of the feminist movement was to insure women were not being denied the opportunities afforded to others simply on the basis of gender. This largely revolved around the right to vote and to work. Now, with a goal much less directly attainable (to be viewed as more than sex object, to walk alone at night or talk to a guy without the fear of rape) the reaction of many of these noveau-feminists is to simply develop an us and them mentality, marking men as the enemy. This position is strengthened by the MRA and PUA subcultures which seem to encourage treating women as conquests, sex objects, and enemies when they do not comply. What it comes down to is a further strengthening the us and them mentalities. Why would a man want to respect or protect a woman if his aim is to fuck her and leave? Why would a woman want to be faithful and honorable after running across this type of guy? She becomes jaded and gives into the attitudes of the “all for me” club and meets a decent guy. Why would this respectful and faithful man want to continue positive behavior when he runs across this type of woman? Truly, it’s a vicious cycle with victims and perpetrators on both sides. The real questuon is… Is it too late for our genders to work together to try and undo this damage? If not… what can we do?

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Jenny you are spending to much time on here…go to your husband and spend time with him

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Still at work for another 9 minutes. I fuss around here when I’m on a break. Soon as I get home, I’m all his! Boyfriend, though. Could be husband if he ever asks me. smile

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I agree with the other commenter. If you have such a great relationship filled with activities, what are you doing spending so much time to defend the dying reputation of women?? As in, you haven’t just made 5 small comments. You have been writing a book.

…but, yeah, you need to understand what men are being put through in AmeriKa. I’m just yet another young man who has had enough of women, and I’m not as cordial about this as some of the other posters. Frankly, I think you’re full of it, and your head is full of hot air, but in light of the example of goodwill put forth by others here like Roosh V, I shouldn’t regress into insults. I try not to, but I swear women out and get in their faces when I’ve had enough, which is often. Most decent men I know stay away from women, and every one of my married friends is unhappy or slowly going through a divorce. The guys that are going for the girls these days seem very desperate and hopelessly ignorant and stupid.

I have never known one decent female in my entire life (including my own mother, especially as I entered into adolescence and grew up), and through my heartbreak, I have collected evidence that women are absolutely terrible, rotten, disgusting, soulless bitches. PERIOD! I have made videos and graphics on it. Hey, check out my blog, will ya? It’s women-suck.blogspot.com . Maybe I will move to write a book on this topic as I have so much material to put out there. Maybe check my Instagram at tytheguy888. You will quickly see how I have had enough with women and my government.

In the decline of AmeriKa, I have found myself trapped economically without the resources or plans to make an escape from this prison. A lot of the fallout between the genders is symptomatic of a corrupt government- really accentuates the state of the union.

Anyway, I’m back on OKCupid online dating. You can find me under the alias, WomenSuck88, before I’m banned for browsing around and viciously making fun of these worthless women-people.

You lost a great guy- so much talent, good looks, strong arms, clean place, good hygiene, employed, but I digress. It’s never enough for Mizz Jezebel USA. Go to Hell (the worst insult anyone can use).

Ecclesiastes 7:28
1 Timothy 2:11-12
Proverbs 31:10
Proverbs 21:9, 21:19
Revelation 17, 19:2-3

God bless!

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Eh… agree with whomever you like as much as you like. I get an email when a comment gets replied to and, time available, I reply. Still woth the same great guy and things are going great. Just waiting for him to get home from the parts store now. We’re rebuilding an old 86 F150 flatbed together this weekend. Dinner’s ready, beer’s cold… so I have a few minutes. Sounds like the women of the world aren’t suffering a great loss by you counting yourself out, so more power to you. It is somewhat inpolite, however, to wish a woman you’ve never met the fate of being fed to a pack of wild dogs. Familiar with the story of Jezebel too. Any rate, you’ll notice I haven’t posted on here in a while. I find, sadly, that many of the men posting here are not worth the effort of posted counterpoints. To those willing to discuss and debate like grown ups, I will happily devote time and conversation. To those whose diatribe can be summed up in the statement “but you’re a girl and don’t count/matter”, I’m frankly not interested in wasting my time.

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Super curious if Jenny Wren is still in that relationship and if she’s honest enough to say if she’s been with another man whilst in it.

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In case you’re curious, we were just putting together the final plans for our 4th of July barbecue. He’s out now chillin with one of his friends and I’ll be firing up the grill in a couple hours for dinner. I’m sure you were expecting, or possibly hoping, for bad news here… Hate to dissappoint.

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Prove it.

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Actually, there is a new update… As of Feb 15, Tommy and I are engaged to be married! Words cannot express my excitement and I am honored and awestruck that I will get to grow old with this wonderful, respectful, and genuinely amazing human being!!

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Still haven’t responded to the question of fidelity….

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Between he and I there isn’t even a question. Why even debate going elsewhere when everything you need or want is at home? People cheat, most often, because there’s something they’re lacking at home. He and I communicate very well, and we both insure all our needs are met at home.

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By definition, you’re always the last to know. Also, this is a testament to how flawed society is when ONLY ONE example of fidelity has been brought forward.

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Update: yes, we’re still together and started working out together and doing some “slow carb” cooking. Tim Ferries is an amazing author And a lot of the work out and diet/lifestyle advice we’re following has been derived from his books.

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You need to quit talking about yourself for a moment before I start thinking you’re a narcissist. Not everything is about you. NO ONE demanded that all women need to have all those qualities. He merely stated his dating preference for a mate he wishes to marry. Men are the gatekeepers of commitment. You are free to behave in what ever manner you wish. We will simply not commit unless you have the qualities we want.

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It certainly IS an understatement.

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You will find these qualities in women south of the boarder, and yes its something I experienced first hand. I know of some of my former co-workers found the same thing, and in one instance he divorced his American wife, left her with everything (because nothing is worth anything in America) and found himself a south American super model from a fairly well to do family. He has since left the US for quite some time, and has not returned. I have heard and experienced that women south of the border know how to behave like real women … kind, courteous, conscientious, thoughtful. Yeah, all that crap about building a wall puts a crimp on the equation, but if American women really knew how easily they have become replaceable, they will reduced to nothing more what the corporation and universities tell them to be.

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Majority of aAerican women are simply cum dumpsters. The faster American Men learn that, the happier they will be … and wealthier!

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MGTOW is the real and safe way for many of us single men now.

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A good mother to “my children”. Lemme guess-it would never occur to you to say “our children”. And you wonder why you’re such a loser with women??

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the entire last paragraph gave me goose bumps. It’s been years since that happened to me through reading.

whereever you are, with whom ever you are, it works for your writing.

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An article like this with similar sentiment, even one softened and toned down to be less “offensive”, would never appear in any mainstream source (occasionally you’ll see something vaguely similar written by a woman). Yet we see endless “decline of men” articles.

Why? For one, it seems that women are so thin-skinned they can’t handle ANY criticism about their kind. Can’t critique single-motherhood, can’t critique feminism, but not just criticism, anything even mildly unflattering about the state of women. And good point about men enabling modern women. We have white knights and manginas supplicating, and we also have alphas shitting on other men. Not much to do about that, it’s part and parcel of civilization and penis/vagina.

We hold women less accountable for their actions, obviously because of vagina, but also because – and this is offensive – we expect less from them.

I enjoy a woman for more than just sex. A sweet, feminine woman can be delightful to be around. I used the word delightful. Anything, from putting your arm around her while watching a movie, her cuddling into you, going to a museum, eating at a diner, talking, laughing, whatever. I’ve had those great moments with women in my life, even in America, but most modern women have some variation of the StrongEmpoweredIndependent chip on her shoulder, and it almost always comes from a place of insecurity.

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Excellent post.

For some of us, the decline in the American female literally has occurred before our eyes. It’s a gloomy thought, but there it is.

As Roissy recently said, success with women can bring discontent and disillusionment. I believe you have reached that point, in fact gone beyond it, as many of us have before you.

There is more to life than endless rutting.

P.S. Fuck Amerika

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No doubt that feminism is the common enemy of all men, from omegas to betas to alphas to married religious patriarchs.

But TS Eliot said there are no lost causes because there are no gained causes – and I think he’s right. Everything has a price, everything is a trade-off, everything has an opportunity cost. The question remains that Aristotle asked: how should we live our lives in accordance with that which is good? Goodness, not “happiness” – whatever the hell that means – is what counts.

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Some of the most beautiful writing i have experienced in a long time, my compliments. Nothing that could be written in a comment could do anything but diminish your piece as it stands on its own. We live in the darkness out of circumstance so that the future will notice the light.

My only comment about when you wrote, “Nostalgia for the past is rejection of the present. It’s a sign you’re unable to cope with change and the inevitability of progress, for nothing in the world static.”

Sometimes progress isn’t.

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About the StrongEmpoweredIndependent chip American women have. That’s their frame and they want a man to dismantle it piece by piece to get to their TRUE soft, feminine core, if it even still exists somewhere buried in the depths. Most of the time it does. They want to submit. “Submit”, which doesn’t mean being a pushover, doormat, and a servant, it means they can stop competing, being combative, and seeing you as the enemy to beta-ize into oblivion.

To deal with American women, a man needs a frame made out of titanium to withstand the endless shit tests, which for many men is not worth the effort and hassle, which is why they’re dropping out or leaving the country if possible.

All throughout their lives, American men receive an endless barrage against their masculine frame, not just from individual women, but from society as well, particularly television, which is poison for men and is only worth watching occasionally (I watched the recent Surivorman episodes).

Be an unapologetic, guilt-free men. Liberate yourself from the female imperative. You don’t owe ‘women’ a god damn thing. Be there for the women in your life, the women you choose to do things for because you enjoy it and not out of any white knight obligation, guilt, or shame.

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I live in a college town surrounded by women under 30 and I too find them for the most part unattractive as hell. Not only is it the tattoos and giant ears and shaved skulls, not only is it the political agenda of hating men while believe they are at the centre of the entitlement universe, not only is it their complete inability to have a conversation about anything other than Facebook . . .

A good 50% of all the women (and men for that matter) I know who are under 30 are on some form of medication to “fix” their personalities.

The American woman is becoming more and more broken every day and they go to great and greater lengths to fix their brokenness. What they don’t realize is that the answer isn’t more ink, more holes, less hair and more drugs. It’s less ink, less holes, more hair, less drugs coupled with an education and interest in things that matter, things of substance.

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How ironic that they’re dancing seductively to a song about sugary candy. Portends things to come.

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You need to check out Israeli women. They are very feminine, beautiful, and have real family values instilled in them without being religious nuts.

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Your words and imagery remind me of Aldous Huxley’s “Brave New World”, one that we are briskly entering today with no sign of remorselessness. Great read Roosh.

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Which is why I would much rather travel to South America and Eastern Europe and bang ONE hot feminine woman than 1000 garbage American women.

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What?? That’s a double standard. That’s how we got here in the first place. You and the author seem to complain about the current nature of American women, being slutty, vacant, unrealistic, essentially non-monogamous material, yet you wish to relocate a portion of the ‘bang culture’ elsewhere to contaminate the women in THAT location? Hopefully, you use the word ‘bang’ loosely without too much meaning behind it.

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This post describes what’s wrong with America better than 99% of the commentary from the left and more than 95% of what comes from the right. It’s factual and touching. Great work.

I recommend that every one of us do whatever we can to pass this along, even to females if you think one of them is reachable. This goes to the heart of why men are going Galt, why we’d rather play video games and whack off than put up with this shit.

I’ve been with two women who’ve been feminine in the way you describe (neither an American). After that, I went sorely beta for a few years, but I was creeping back out and doing two women simultaneously.

It then hit me that both of the bored the crap out of me. I didn’t care what they had to say. The way I could dominate them was purely predictable. The sex felt like a transaction. I then slipped back and became a near omega.

I’m stuck here for the time being, and as I learn game I feel ambivalent. Yes, she’s hot, banging her would be great. But I also know she’ll bore me. She doesn’t have IT, and almost no woman here does.

Indeed, Roosh. Something is very wrong. Thanks for describing it so well.

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The change in phenotype is so striking, that it calls for a scientific explanation. How could so many changes have come about in a generation? Women as late as the late 70´s and the early 80´s weren´t as ugly as today (I´m 45 and I remember well). It´s not only obesity that´s soared, it´s also mannish features, myopia (from 10% to 50& in one generation!), bad character, etc.
Perhaps Gregory Cochran from http://westhunt.wordpress.com/ should look into this!
The epidemic has hit nearly every western country, except France . Southern Europe and the Balkans are still largely untouched.

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nice post.

just wanted to add: it’s great if you watch the “sugar sugar” video muted to the audio of this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu7acQTlaC0

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Quite possibly the only improvement for women since this video was made is the elimination of the untamed bush.

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Some of us men love the untamed bush……

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The video brings back fond and unfortunately forgotten memories from my teenage years. I’ve been so inured by modern Wymn that I completely forgot what true femininity is like. Alas, we may likely never see that type of woman in America in our lifetimes.

Great video, great article. How I long for the sixties and seventies!

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@BB I haven’t seen any studies to this effect, but I almost wonder if culture can affect individual hormones. If, as a girl, you’re continually told to be more like a boy, and that’s what you try to do, would that perhaps inspire your body to produce more testosterone?

Likewise, with males. I live in a college town, and it amazes me how damn near every guy I encounter strikes me as gay. They HAVE to have an excess of estrogen or something. It’s almost creepy.

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It’s called “epigenetics.” Societal influences create methyl groups which attach to the dna in our gametes (sperm and ova). Not all are stripped off during fertilization, and what these methyl groups do is suppress or eliminate the expressions of DNA in the child. It is the organism adjusting to its environment, you see.

It is especially powerful with men. You see, a woman is born with all of her dna already in her ova, while men are constantly producing and reproducing their gametes- a man can be very strong, but after being stomped on and crushed by a misandric society, if he is “beaten,” he will pass that on to his offspring via the sperm that was produced after he became a beaten man.

For women, it is the conditions of her environment while she is carrying the baby. This says a lot about the responsibilities of women in mothering and during pregnancy as much as it does about men retaining their masculinity, or regaining it before procreating.

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I have been in a daze like this for the past few weeks as I have recently started watching Mad Men. Makes me wish I was born in a different era.

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“Quite possibly the only improvement for women since this video was made is the elimination of the untamed bush”

I also miss natural bushes! What the hell happened during the last ten years? Did everybody turn paedo or what?

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Sorry BB, you can take your thicket of wilderness, I will stick to my landing strip. Over and out.

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The music video is from the BBC’s “Top of the Pops” so the girls are probably mainly Londoners.

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I live the blonde with he black top and huge tits in the video- she looks like a big tit Brit to me too.

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I bet Saville was in fucking ecstasy wink

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Excellent post. Everyone has theories why things have become what they are. Bad culture/toxic media environment, diet, pharmaceuticals, bad schools, etc.
Could there be any one thing that might have countered all the above to prevent women from turning out unfeminine and worthless?
If you said “parents who gave a shit about raising someone with character,” I wouldn’t disagree.

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Just printed out a dozen copies of this and left them sitting on a few tables in Harvard Yard. Who knows what effect that will have, if any?

Either way, this is the best article about American women and today’s society I’ve seen on the Internet. Period. Bar none. You knocked it out of the park here, Roosh. A complete encapsulation of the zeitgeist behind so many of us refusing to even consider touching those wildebeests we see each and every day.

Bravo. Bravfuckingo.

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Love it, Wool Suit!

Roosh predicted recently that this year the Manosphere will go mainstream. If it does, it will be this sort of post (and Wool Suit’s sort of reaction to it) that will bring it there.

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You’re a genius roosh. Love your work. Keep doing your thing. You say what many of us think. smile Your friend, Peter

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Soooo….10 years of catting around on 5 continents & still it seems you haven’t found a foreign woman worthy of you either.

I call bullshit. The problem lies within.

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“She came back a year later and she had changed astronomically. She was between chubby and fat, was wearing jeans and trainers [sneakers] with the big tongues hanging out, her hair was just hanging down and she was right into herself in a way she had never been whilst in Russia.
It wasn’t just what American culture had done to her, it was what American culture had done to a Russian female. There are many American females who are not obese and gobby – they’ve grown up in the culture and have negotiated it.”

http://nourishingobscurity.com/2012/12/19/the-womb-drain/

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Amazing post.

This sums up how I feel in so many ways.

I’ve definitely been going through the five stages of grief with regard to women in America and the fantasy.

Denial – being beta or relapsing into oneitis etc.
Anger
Bargaining – large notch count with hope that I’m building towards higher quality
Depression – seeing that’s not really happening (maybe in the future?)
Acceptance – accepting my limitations and relaxing into the game frame.

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Sadie- Would you eat a turd if it were free?

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These girls are in 60’s mod clothes but culturally they are still in the 50’s. The negative aspects of 60’s culture- basically do whatever you feel like and screw everybody else- didn’t become mainstream until the 70’s. As they have penetrated society more and more, things have gotten worse and worse.

Traditional society works best for almost everyone.

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I like salad.

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Long time reader here Roosh.

There are some that were worried when you first set out for Europe a year and a half ago. Many thought that you bringing game to Eastern Europe would accelerate feminism in EE. Any thoughts on this?

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Wow, it’s so funny you would post this today. Just earlier I was looking at an old clip of the Beach Boys playing on the Mall in DC in 1980. My first thought was “Wow, women were hotter back then.”

That says something because of older generations, women from the past used to look horrific by comparison.

If you’re interested in the Beach Boys clip it’s from the 4th of July 1980 and it’s on YouTube. Opens with a shot of a real cute girl with a hat.

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I don’t think it has been said but nice song also.

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If ever there was a post that deserved a standing ovation, this is it.

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Great post!

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@BB, France has not been untouched. Believe me. When I was there in late 2010 almost all of the conversation I had with older women had to do with how Fed up things have become over there.

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Epic Post.
Must say I enjoy these posts much more than some of your “Bubble-Gum” game posts…..but I realise you make a living out of this so need to cover all bases in writing.
But being compared to A.Huxley by one commenter – that’s a big ass compliment you should be proud of.

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I hate to undermine the premise here, but the women look European to me. I don’t think this is from an American show.

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This post also proves that there’s more to the manosphere than pussy and anger about divorce.

I’ve gotten glimpses of it before, but this proves I’m not the only guy who’s lied in bed after sex, thinking, “Is this it?” There’s still a rush when I get the first kiss, when I first feel the wet with my finger, that first thrust inside, and there always will be.

But I know that there’s supposed to be more to her than that. It’s not about pedastalization, it’s about humanity. We’re primates, but we’re more than that if we choose to be, and that’s what we’re supposed to choose.

Women just want to be cumbuckets in denial about it. I’ll comply because if I don’t I’ll be celibate, but I’m not happy about it.

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Poignant, and strikes a chord. I’ve recently just come to the realisation that I simply do not find western women attractive any more. Their arrogance, sense of entitlement and competitive natures repulse me. And once you scrape beneath the scum floating on the surface of their minds, there is usually nothing underneath. No depth, no real personality, no soul.

As soon as I manage to secure my financial independence, I shall be following in your footsteps out of the Anglosphere, to perhaps find the wife that the tiny remaining nugget of my beta core still hopes to cherish one day.

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I agree, Roosh. Any pussy you can get is not as exciting as meeting a girl of quality, intelligent, confident, with a good humor.

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The women in the video, while attractive, were the vaguard of today’s masculine women. They promoted feminism and pushed hard for the laws that form the foundation for the divorce and child theft industry. They also burned their bras and raised hardcore feminists, and effette manginas, and indoctrinated Western society in the ways of the Marxist Feminist Collective.

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You are very correct when you say that the generation from the 60s started stupidism and lead to what we have right now but also many girls back then were traditional as well.

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Feminism started out in those days, but women as a whole were living more traditional lives, divorce was much less of an issue, women did not question their roles as supporting the men in their lives and having children.
Women today in America are empowered and love to put men down, divorce is no fault in America, which means all a woman has to do is file the papers in court and the marriage is finished, the husband does not even have to respond. And given how the legal system treats husband as suspected abusers and deadbeats who will not support their kids, a woman can use the legal system to her advantage.
You wonder why so many men are not even bothering with marriage or with Western women? Because they are just not worth the fucking trouble. I spend most of my time in Hungary where women still live more traditional lives, have more feminine behaviors. I could not go back to America, some of my friends back home think Hungarian women are “poor” and that is why they tend to treat me better, but that is not the truth, its the way they are brought up is very different from America.
In America women have become increasingly masculine while men have become effeminate weaklings. Its rather sad all the sick games that women play with men to get them to spread their legs, its complete bullshit dealing with American born or women who have lived in America for a while, even foreign born women “change” once they live in the USA for a while. Environment plays a huge role here.

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@14… wtf? ESPECIALLY France has been touched by the feminism thing. What area of France are u talking about?

@roosh. I KNOW you are right, but I talked to so many “ladiesmen”, and they say it’s just my own perception. Girls are normal and easy going if you let them be and when they see your masculine inside. They behave manly because of the creepers and players that hit on them all the time. I don’t know what to do with this statement, do you?

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French women are complete and utter rubbish, and are not worth the time, they are only moderately better than American women. Most of them are just as skanky, lack decent hygiene, manners, and style. The whole idea of the beautiful classy French woman is a myth today, and its very out of date. Eastern European women are a better lot in comparison. I visited France years ago, and thought it was a massive disappointment, the women were just not much fun and France is just one depressing fucked up country.
Hungary is much better than France, the women are far more attractive on average, they have less attitude, have better hygiene and manners.
I remember flying on a flight to the US from Europe, and a French girl put up her stinky bare feet on the back of my chair, I had to endure the rotten stench for 8 fucking hours.

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Being 45 years old, I was privy to the last generation of “real” women in this Country- but what I saw in that video I ache for in todays America. I never married, had children and have absolutely NO FEAR of dying alone. I’m a serial monogamous dater of women 10-15 Years my junior who think I’m lucky to date such “smart and career” oriented women. Can’t remember to last “girl” I dated that didn’t have a Doctoral level education and m’m here to tell you- except in bed- they are awful creatures for the most part… I find myself wanting to date a simple girl from a time long past… But I feel doomed to date the over-educated cum dumpster- The situation in America is very sad indeed.

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Sad but true.

Nonetheless, I like these posts for their complete honesty.

Keep it going, Roosh.

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A little cynical Roosh, even for you. I remember 1969 well and those are the chicks betas like me lusted after with no chance for reasons you and the ‘sphere gang explain so well. But that year most young guys were focused on not getting their ass shipped to Viet Nam, like I did, or surviving if did they go. Figuring out that feminism led to easy chicks came later. Excellent commentary.

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Yep. As a 40’s guy I started dating in the 1980’s and in my view femininity started really trending downwards more rapidly in the late 1990’s. I used to never see girls with tats (even sluts) but now it’s becoming rare that I see one without. Way more fatties these days – of all ages…

What’s really interesting to me is that the quality of sex and relationships I’m having dropped off a cliff in the mid 2000’s. If I stay over at a woman’s place I rarely get a hot breakfast and if I do you’d think they gave me a kidney. God, the attitudes! I used to look forward to spending time with girlfriends; now when I blast all I can think about is how I wasted an evening of my time “just for that” and “when can I get the hell out of here”.

Whenever I see a guy who’s married or in a relationship all I think is “better him than me” – even if the chick is super-hot! I cannot even imagine living with today’s woman… I can’t imagine how a guy could do it… Women are intolerable, even more so once you’ve busted.

I agree with Roosh that the quantity of no-strings sex I am able to have does not make up for the lack of quality experiences, sexual or otherwise. It really is a shame.

All that said, I don’t think there was a “golden age” of women; they were always hypergamous. The problem is that at this point in time women are just disgusting cunts and totally out of control.

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Obesity has gone up among men and women. change gov’t policy, no more farm subsidies; problem solved! See how easy that was? smile

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What, out of curiosity, would you define as a quality experience? Would you, who seems to value the no strings hookup, be willing to wait if a woman wanted to take things slow? Would you truly find value in a woman who wasn’t so eager to hop into bed with you, or would you, like so many others, merely label her as a frigid prude or ice queen and move on to the next warm and eager bit of flesh? If you would be willing to treat a woman with gentility and act as a strong, considerate partner, then why all the pump and dump? If you would not, but rather expect an immediate or even rapid physical encounter, can you be surprised when you find the quality you seek? I am not seeking to argue, feed trolls, or stir the pot. This is a genuine curiosity.

Women in modern culture often find themselves confused when so often, we feel the expectation to be both slut and saint.

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The question is, is she making me wait because she sees me as someone she’d like to get serious with, while she spent the 3 months before she met me banging her usual goto(s), and possibly still banging them while I ‘wait’, and play romance?

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You’d have to judge for yourself. Personally, I don’t have a backup bang… If I’m interested in a man, it’s a safe bet that I’ve got the blinders on. With others, this may not be the case. Most important is that you voice your needs clearly and respectfully. Then ask hers. If your needs and hers align, then romance away. An example of this would be something like “I’m really interested in getting to know you better, and I take intimacy very seriously. Would you be willing to forego other partners or hookups while we’re getting to know each other better? I would be, because I’d like to do right by you and give this a real shot.” And yes, this means actually foregoing your hookups. You will need to be honest in word and deed to be able to demand that from her. Make sense? smile

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Your advice seemingly makes all kinds of sense.. In theory. But in today’s world of technological detachment, rat race for both sexes, near infinite options for women, and societal acceptance of women playing the field, etc.. That kind of straight up just usually ends things before they have a chance to get off the ground. Honestly, it’s more effective to play aggressive and move to heavy petting quickly, so then the girl knows if she is TRULY interested in you (compared to others). I’ve lost the ‘lets be honest with each other’ battle too many times, and not necessarily because of some other guy, but because the girl gets to feeling engulfed, or sees me as clingy, etc and bails because, again, she can walk into any bar and replace my attention with that of 5 other men who ‘appear’ to be just as good.. Sad, because she’ll never know what she missed, or how good I was, because she never gave it a chance, all because of the externalities involved in the dating landscape nowadays, plus her inability to see that there’s something deeper she needs to discover about a man if she ever wants what she claims she wants (i.e. a real relationship)

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I will concede that technology has certainly made actual courtship much more difficult to find. With the advent, especially, of apps like Tinder where people are judged on no more than a tagline and whether or not they can take a pretty picture, the feeling of romance is a dwindling cultural memory. On the upswing, access to this technology allows two intelligent individuals who otherwise would likely never have met the chance to put their minds together to try and come up with solutions. The pump and dump culture certainly isn’t doing anything to breed desire for companionship and real intimacy… so then what? Perhaps the same technology that breeds that distance and overly casual attitude can be used as a first level screen! If you’re interested in a woman… ask her… does she even have a Tinder account? If so… bail. Id she on Facebook 24/7? Perfect! Read her feed. Is she well spoken or does she communicate in emojis and words spelled with numbers? Is she intelligent? Is she passionate about issues that matter?

Secondly, what sort of woman are you looking for? Are you looking for the pert, sleek 20-something out partying in the bars… or a worldly, self-assured 30-something with an idea of what’s important in the long term?? A woman in the second category is much more likely to think in the more long term… instead of one weekend to the next. Be assured… the good women ARE out there… although not likely on Tinder! wink

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Unfortunately it IS used as a first level screen in too many cases, I believe. Your example about Tinder is a good one, because that’s in the present. But, man, when there’s real chemistry between two people, does the past really matter that much? Are we all required to shove all of our past actions/words/posts in a new romantic interest’s face for qualification right up front? Do we want that? Frankly, there’s a lot of shit I don’t want to know about a chick. It’s different when we are 25, and I should state that I am in the middle-aged (40) singles market. I expect there to be things about every woman over 30 that I meet, that I would think really suck. Precisely why I don’t want to know. Ever heard the saying, “it’s not what a man has done, but who he is”? It’s about realizing that we as humans do learn from our mistakes. If there is chemistry, honesty, and likability, why would I want to dig up the dirt on her? I’m almost guaranteed to find it if I look hard enough. And she’ll find mine as well.

Just compare it to pre-technology courtship.. do you think two 38 year-olds meeting in ’95 would have sat there and “asked” each other to reveal all the stupid things they blurted out, all their deviant behaviors, and notch counts? Hell no, they would ignore those questions like the plague because they ‘want’ to like each other.

So, no, I think technology hurts the single male and female in a quest for a real relationship badly, while being phenomenal for encouraging a hook up culture.

BTW, you seem like one of these ‘good’ women (of course I haven’t googled the shit out of you yet). You and I need to get together for drinks wink

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First and foremost, I need to be clear that I have a sweetheart. He is a good man who trusts me completely… and I would never wish to violate that trust for any reason. On the converse, his former roommate is an avid Tinder fan and serves as a real basis for comparison. He in no way seeks any intimacy and does not function well in a traditional relationship. While some of this may have something to do with some of the unfortunate details of his past the fact remains that even for the committment-phobic who want intimacy but only in safe doses, there’s “an app for that”.

Where screens are concerned – I’m certainly not suggesting spending hours poring over a glowing screen searching every detail of a person’s past like an agent compiling a clearance check – a quick peek is certainly advisable. If a woman speaks of traditional values and yet her profile picture is a bunch of guys in Halloween costumes digging candy out of her cleavage, her values probably aren’t what she’s claiming. Cursory glance… and that’s all.

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Yapping about yourself again, yawn.

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Buford – I couldn’t remember if I had responded to you or not regarding your offer for drinks. That really sounds enjoyable, since we’d probably have an incredible conversation about all this craziness going on between our respective genders, however I have been seeing a wonderful gentleman for about a year now and I’m not sure how he’d feel about it. If you wouldn’t mind him coming along, I’d be happy to have a brew with you. I know that sounds overly cautious, and perhaps it is, but especially lately with the crowd who reads Roosh, I have to take an extra measure of caution. RooshV just posted an article the other week stating it should be legal to rape a woman as long as she’s on your private property. Of course I know not everyone on here is a rapist, but most guys on here seem to take Roosh’s word as gold. I hope you understand.

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Oh Jen-ayy, how nice of you to think of me again smile Well thank you for the offer.. but what are the odds we’re even in the same part of the country? I’m in south Texas. You anywhere close to that?

Now, of course you could bring your man, and I’d be just fine with that, on one condition.. you must bring a mildly attractive single female with you as well.. I am single after all razz I’ve got the first two rounds!

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Ahh, yeah that is a ways. I’m out in West Virginia right near Maryland, unfortunately, but should you ever find yourself out on this part of the East Coast, I’m sure my sweetheart and I could introduce you to a few fantastic pubs and night spots… and I’m sure I could introduce you to a single lady or two. Just bear in mind most of my friends are like minded and share most of my ethics, so the odds of a one-nighter are fairly slim.

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Have they ever met a tall Texan southern gentleman? lol.. They might just find they don’t stand a chance. smile

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I’m not sure how many have… and you never know, I suppose!

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Projecting again. Men are not attracted to an aging woman’s “experience”. Example, women will often find a man with a lot of past sexual partners as interesting, men simply view her as an ex party slut to be avoided. Another example,women are usually attracted to high status, older men but men are almost ALWAYS attracted to YOUNG WOMEN.

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Yea #49, I’m near your age sounds like and I witnessed the change occur myself. Tats are just cheezy now in my opinion also.. I’m in a relationship, but unbeknownst to her as of yet, I will NOT move in with her. I will say this; I’m lucky in that the sex has been intense, long-lasting, evolving continually, and not once bad, always good-to-great and sometimes mind-blowing. She is not the hottest, not the coolest, not the most interesting person, but hits on enough good points to be worth my time. I would say I’m pretty lucky for an American guy, but NOT all that lucky when compared to what’s selectively available overseas.

I DO agree entirely with Roosh’s sentiment on this no matter how cynical it seems. Its just flat-out the way it is. And one of the funniest things I see occurring are thes cougars and single MILFs who have a mid-life vagina crisis and stawrt acting like the girls that are 18-28 but 30-45 years old. They are in every sense, the most disgusting of all and reason to run.