The Dirty Truth About Traveling To Meet Women

Let me be the first to say that traveling is no shortcut to learning game. It will not solve whatever girl problem you have in your home country. Instead, it’s likely you’ll pack the problem with you and continue to struggle.

The dirty truth is that you will not get hotter than what you get at home. In other words, if you can’t get more than a 6 in the United States, it’s unlikely you’ll get more than a 6 in Colombia. There are, of course, big exceptions worth sharing:

1. Do you know the local language? If you’re competent in Spanish, you should be getting hotter women. If we split up knowing a language into 12 different grades or levels, each level of attainment will allow you to get a 0.20 increase in attractiveness on the 1-10 scale. Towards the end of my time in Colombia, my Spanish level was 5 out of 12, meaning I could score a solid point above my already respectable results in America. This is actually what happened. The girls I got with in Colombia weren’t incredibly cuter, but they were definitely cuter.

2. Are you staying for a while? If it’s long enough to integrate yourself into a social circle, you’ll have more opportunities to get cuter girls. I really don’t see the point in traveling to a country for a weekend just to get laid, or even a week, because you’re not giving yourself time for opportunities to naturally occur. I know some of you are limited by corporate jobs, but it’s better to save up your time for at least a two week trip than something shorter.

3. Are you an approach machine? If not then forget it. You shouldn’t even travel unless you have solid early game because approaching in another culture introduces so many new factors that you need to devote your attention on. You don’t want to get off the plane and worry about the basics like approach anxiety or what opener to use.

4. Is there a heavy concentration of English speakers in the country you’re visiting? For example, if every other girl speaks English in some Eastern European capital, then you should pull quality with time and effort.

So let’s say you’re going to Rio de Janeiro for one month, where you plan to rent a room. You studied Portuguese for six months prior, and can have basic conversations that put you at 3 out of 12 on the language scale (you’re a slow language learner). You also worked on your game to where approaching and having fun conversations isn’t a difficult task. Can you get a hotter girl there than you can in the States?

Most definitely, especially since English speakers in Rio aren’t uncommon.

But we all know the average tourist going to Brazil isn’t doing all that. He’s going for a week with a stack of cash with no plan and hoping things just work themselves out. He’s the first to ask if his awful high school Spanish will be sufficient. That man will be disappointed with his results, and come back home saying Brazil was “okay.”

Have you noticed that by “quality” I’m only referring to a girl’s attractiveness? Let’s say you can sometimes get a 7 in the States and go to Rio for two weeks without any language ability. My experience says that you’re unlikely to get more than a 6. But that 6 will have a personality and vibe that is so much more pleasing than your American 7 that you’ll be happier with her. The likely result is that you go home, study Portuguese, work on your game, and then come back to get even better.

Be realistic and be prepared to work. Travel is great, and personally I’ve defiled a lot of nice women that I would never have met in the States, but you already know how long I’ve stayed in those countries and how hard I worked to integrate myself into the culture by learning the language and doing as the locals do. When it comes to international dating, the more preparation you do before your trip, the more you’ll get out of it.

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The G Manifesto
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I agree with much of this.

“The dirty truth is that you will not get hotter than what you get at home.”

This is very true. I have said this before, if you are not ginsuing the top girls from the top spots in LA or NYC, then don’t expect to be ginsuing the top girls in the top spots in Barcelona or Paris.

“Are you an approach machine? If not then forget it.”

This is something most people don’t realize. While in Latvia recently, I added no less than 5 girls a day to the pipe. No joke.

Go get lunch? Grab a fly girls number, Street Game Style. Need some matches? Number Crunch another fly girl. Need a bottle of vino? Get another girl cooking.

Thankfully you can walk a block or two and see 4 or 5 fly girls in Latvia, so you can be efficient.

But you got to put the work in.

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This is bullshit. I totally disagree.

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Great post as always Roosh.

I always looked at game in the sates as training for travel. This unintentionally helped my game back home because I didn’t care so much to screw up, everything was just practice for the bigger game abroad.

Another important aspect I would add to the list is if a man is able to go out alone, independent of a wing. More than likely if you are going to be doing any long term travel, you won’t always have your buddies by your side. As such, you’ll have to do much of your meeting local women alone. This can be a challenge because I know MANY dudes that never do cold approaches without a wing. So it’s important to train yourself to do this by lone sarging as much as you can back in your home country.

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this article is accurate generally but seems south-america-centric.

There are several places u can go where u can go score a hotter girl than back home in the states (if your home is the states).

you can easily go to asia, even east asia (HK, Taiwan, Japan, Korea) and get better than the U.S. (though u will still have to approach a lot to get it).

you can go to Germany and get better, especially if your a minority guy. I would assume France as well, and i’ve heard of guys do much better in the scandinavian countries than they ever did at home.

If your american and go to canada, you’ll get better than u were getting and with using similar game.

really depends where u go.

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Yeah, I just got back from a week’s stay at a beach resort town in Mexico. One day I started chatting with the cute little property manager for the condo I was staying at. I was getting a ton of IOIs, but when I suggested we meet for drinks sometime, she stiffened up and shut me down with the “I’m really busy” line. Can’t say I really blame her for deciding she didn’t want to be a cheap lay for a sleazy gringo.

Good thing there were a ton of eurosluts at the shitty clubs down the street.

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I disagree slightly. Going foreign will solve *some* of your problems with women. An omega goes foreign and becomes a beta; I don’t think a beta becomes an alpha, but he becomes a much more desirable beta.

All the other advice is good except the approach rule. You can line all kinds of women up on the internet before you go.

Going foreign will help, a lot, but it is *not* cheap and easy. It takes a big investment of time and effort, and a certain amount of money, which is why more guys don’t do it.

Omega Man’s last blog post: “You’ll Shoot Your Eye Out, Kid!”.

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Omega Man,

“All the other advice is good except the approach rule. You can line all kinds of women up on the internet before you go.”

I would say that still falls under the umbrella of “approaches”. They are just Internet approaches.

No matter how much things change, its still a Numbers Game.

There are just some us out there who do things strictly the old-fashioned way.

– MPM

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Agreed. Learning the local lingo is key and opens up your prospects 10 fold. Let’s say 20% of the people in the place you are visiting speak english, and that’s being generous for a South American country. 4 of 5 women that you want to talk to, you won’t be able to communicate with.

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The exotic factor.

Roosh says, “The dirty truth is that you will not get hotter than what you get at home.” One part of me agrees with this, yet I disagree more. No matter what you look like, no matter how good/bad your game is, you are in fact exotic when in another country (American in Canada, probably not so much, American in Eastern Europe, most definitely!). Whether birds, plants, stones, clothes, or even people, others will take notice and you can play on your exoticness.

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Solid solid post Roosh, great job.

Man an I thought I wouldn’t give a shit about aproach anxiety while staying in a different country.

Guess I gotta work more on that and become indeed an approaching machine.

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Well, I pretty much agree on the putting work in part. In my case pulling foreign chicks has always been easy. Granted, a year and a half in Brasil helps, but even before my portuguese was any good I was getting cuter chicks than I did in NA. Same story in Asia and Europe.

The truth is most North American chicks do nothing for me, unless theyre 1st generation foreigners. When im in NA i feel like a monk. I imagine from reading some of your stuff you know what i mean, at least in terms of your personal connection to the women. Id personally rather not fuck someone i dont like. I think youre different, and thats admirable, in a jump on the grenade sort of way. : D

Honestly, it sometimes sucks to not pull down in NA like I do elsewhere, but it makes the times im away that much sweeter.

So, while i think most of your advice is good, I would add the caveat that sometimes “home” is not where you were born. Everyones personality has a country that it naturally jibes with, mine is Brasil. Not just for the women, but all of my closest friends are Brasilian. Brasil is a place where i go to be myself.

People need to travel not just to get laid, but because it allows one to find a place where they make sense. This has nothing to do with languge or culture so much as it does putting the round peg into the round hole.

I would encourage anyone to spend the best money you ever invested on travel. Rent an apartment and stay for several months at least. Sell everything if you have to, to make it
happen.

There are no rules to traveling at all. Just go.

I think that for almost anyone, the happiness that arrises from your growth will naturally attract women. Particularly if your in a place that your soul feels at home.

I hope for your sake its not Peru or Nepal.

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Viralata – I really relate to your post, but how do you think one goes about finding that place ‘your soul feels at home’? Just pick somewhere, spend a couple of months, if no good then pick somewhere else? How do you narrow it down? I’ve done some significant travelling but I still haven’t found that place…

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I like how you refer to fucking as “defiled”

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This seems consistent with what I’ve experienced. When I was in South America and still learning Spanish I got about the same to slightly higher quality women that I was getting in the States before I left. I came back the next year with fluent Spanish and shitty Portuguese and cleaned up, literally having the best month of my life in terms of what I was able to pull (including the hottest girl I’ve ever banged, a Brazilian in my hostel.)

Fluent Spanish (or at least good enough to mack) is an absolute game-changer in Latin America–I think it’s because the girls see gringos fairly often, but a gringo who speaks their language AND has game is truly rare and exotic.

I’d say that if you’re truly fluent it’s not unreasonable to expect the 2-2.5 point increase over your US average that Roosh describes. Factor in the non-shitty personalities of many South American girls and the place is fucking paradise.

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> you will not get hotter than what you get at home

This statement is a bit self-serving. If you invested so much effort in game, you surely *want* it to be true, and would go to some length to defend it (even if it’s not entirely accurate).

Might be true in Latin America, but it’s spectacularly not applicable in East Asia.

My game is so-so, yet I’m pulling 5x more girls here than my acquaintance with the smoothest game I know back in the states. This is with normal girls (excluding prostitutes, which are a different topic).

No matter what level of game you have, just being a white face in East Asia will boost your success rate dramatically. Depends on the country, but I’d say Thailand 10x, Vietnam 5x, Mainland China 3x.

Being white sends 2 signals:
* Perceived wealth. Even as a backpacker, since you can afford to travel that far, your income is likely 1.5-5x higher than local boys which 90% of the girls have a decent shot at dating. Perception is even higher than this.
* Better treatment. Local guys are generally less nice to women, as they can get away with it while still getting laid. White guys are seen as more responsible, more generous, better providers.
* Exotic comes last. East Asian women are mostly practical, there’s less need for bullshit and for putting up with the gamey smell to get laid. A typical “nice guy” would do much better than a “biker boy” here.

The points on speaking the local language and staying for a while do apply.

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cool for guys who are attracted to Asian women..realize that not all guys are
a few have not succumbed to “yellow fever” ya know?

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What Roosh is saying is generally true, but there are serious exceptions.

For instance, Rooshie is going to take a trip to Russia. One of the easiest ways to get laid by hot chicks in Moscow is to play “baller in the club.” If you have several months salary saved up, then hit the clubs in Moscow and throw cash around like you are going to die tomorrow and I guarantee (unless you are a serious social retard) that you will get laid by chicks WAY OUTSIDE YOUR LEAGUE.

In a lot of Third-World countries, $$$$ is more important than game. Way more important.

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you could just get a hot escort, for perhaps less total outlay. the chicks that will bang you from throwing cash around are next to escorts anyway, if not actually in that work

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http://movies.yahoo.com/news/movies.reuters.com/brazilian-cop-thriller-smashes-sales-record-reuters

(Hollywood Reporter) – The gritty Brazilian cop movie “Elite Squad 2” has quickly become the country’s biggest homegrown film of all time, and is on track to surpass overall champ “Avatar.”

Haha, damn. I saw this and remembered your story of the favela you lived in. You should have tried to be an extra.

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It’s easy to be an approach machine when traveling abroad; you always have questions to ask.

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I’ve never traveled abroad unfortunately, but I’ve had three different friends with zero game fly to foreign countries with the pure goal of getting laid. They come back empty handed, thinking pussy is going to fall out of the sky just because they’re Americans.

I’ll be traveling to Sweden for two weeks in May and will be approaching like a madman. Hopefully I’ll be able to succeed where the rest of my social circle has failed. Anybody here been to Sweden? Useful game tips?

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I can’t remember the exact quote, but I know you once remarked that you do this thing “not because it’s easy, but because it’s hard” (Jack Kennedy style and shit). Fuckin’ A right. Real men realize that traveling overseas for poon is harder than getting poon at home.

Japan is a great example of this. Ever been to Tokyo? Thousands, probably millions of pimpled, overweight American nerds visit every year thinking they’re going to get more pussy than here in the United States (that is to say, none). They’re wrong, of course, and come back with a bitter attitude.

With a slight adjustment of game to suit local culture, real men can get laid anywhere.

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Mr. T, bullshit. Social circle is way more important than money, and once you’re in the social circle, it all depends on your game. Maybe certain 3rd world countries, yes, but from my experiences with latin americans, money really isn’t that big of a deal.

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“Mr. T, bullshit. Social circle is way more important than money, and once you’re in the social circle, it all depends on your game. Maybe certain 3rd world countries, yes, but from my experiences with latin americans, money really isn’t that big of a deal.”

What is with you guys an Latin America?

About the only place I would visit is Brazil, and that place is getting expensive fast due to the real appreciating against the dollar.

If Rooshie wants to get laid by hot bitches in Russia (and especially in Moscow), then spending some cash for bottle service at a good club will trump game.

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You’re being too broad here. You’re painting the entire world with a broad brush. As someone who travels as much as you know, how much of an advantage or disadvantage you get depends on who you are, where you are from, and how that fits into the local culture.

To add the chorus here, I know of at least two guys who went to East Asia and lost their virginity there to attractive girls. I know for the Philippines, you can get much higher quality then you can get back home.

Even for South America, well Mixx has said in Pereira, Colombia you can get higher quality abroad then at home. In West Europe, supposedly minority guys can do much better there.

There are a lot of parts of the world where the culture is different. I think how much advantage you get from being exotic depends on what country you are in.

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As other commenters pointed out, you can score a 1-2
points better girls in Asia. Only qualifications you need is being white and tall.

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If someone wants to get laid abroad but lacks game and language and doesn’t have the willpower and commitment to learn both he should simply consider the p4p route. While nothing to brag about, it’s quick and easy and straight to the point.

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Exactly. It’s easy to pull better girls in East Asia as long as you’re not Black. If you’re Black, you have no chance.

Now, white, tall guys that look like brad pitt have the most advantage, followed by noon-blonde whites, then shorter whites, then your handsome non-black non-whites, then your ugly whites, then your ugly non-white non-blacks. Blacks are the lowest, and you’d better be tall, stereotypical, and perhaps even rich if you want to score being a Black guy. Even then, Blacks certainly cannot compete with other races.

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There’s something very important you’re failing to address: a 6 in Colombia is not a 6 in most places in the U.S., it’s probably something more like a 7 or a 7.5

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Hooking up with foreigners is being able to ADAPT and that takes more skill than just ‘classic game’.

Learn the culture psychology and understand how they are wired.

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While you may not necessarily NEED money to get women, being able to play the “Baller in the Club” role pretty much guarantees you’ll get female attention wherever you are. Having game along with money is the ideal, but you can be a totally abusive jerk with money and STILL pull something decent that night because there are always volunteers to take abuse if you’re paying for shit.

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why not just go p4P IF YOU’RE GOING TO DROP A TON OF $ & ON TOP OF IT PUT UP WITH HOURS OF bs (PROBABLY) ?

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TO: BlackRealism

BULLSHIT….. Total, absolute, BULLSHIT. Now you mentioned East Asia, and in terms of Korea and much of China, you are SOMEWHAT correct, however Japan is a different story my friend. And SouthEast Asia is as well. I know of a few guys in Japan who are black and get epic amounts of vag, and they got NONE in the US. Also, I know a black guy who got married in Korea as well as in China. There are always niche clubs and places in every country in Asia that cater to women looking for black guys, so your statement is mostly a half-truth at best.

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Hooking up with foreigners is being able to ADAPT and that takes more skill than just ‘classic game’. Learn the culture psychology and understand how they are wired.

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Living in metro NYC, I don’t have to go ANYWHERE.

The WORLD comes to me.

If I put in a decent amount of effort (which I sometimes do), I could easily meet women from all over the world here on a REGULAR basis.

So in light of recession (really depression) and being stretched for cash (like me), I would consider coming out to New York.

If you do, you have to be in the city, not in the suburbs, where I live.

In fact, it’s been said that New York has a much higher percentage of women than men. I’m an average height Hispanic-looking guy and I get lots of IOI’s walking around that in the suburbs.

Where I live, you run into a lot of townies you went to high school with (who remember you as that horny, nerdy kid–which doesn’t result in getting many dates).

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I’m currently in Russia as an English teacher and have been for the past 3 months. I’m living in a tier-2/tier-3 city.

My take is this, if you are an American with decent game your quantity of bangs will absolutely go up, but the physical attractiveness of the girls depends on your effort. I am a young, average looking guy with solid game that mainly hooked up with 6’s and 7’s in the states. In Russia, being a foreigner, American especially, is still a DHV.

I know you can read a lot on the internet how “the 90’s is over dude”, “Russian women don’t need Western men anymore”. Maybe it doesn’t help as much as it used to. Certainly, if you look and act like a loser, who may have been able to get laid with a passport 15 years ago, but you won’t get shit now. But someone who practices game and has decent style can easily bang 2-3x more girls, and if he is willing to put out more effort/deal with Russian female bullshit he will bang hotter girls as well.

I definitely agree with Roosh about the better personalities here. I’ve caught myself thinking about settling down with a 7 here, whereas in America I permanently banished those thoughts when I swallowed the red pill.

I’ve hooked up with a few 8’s here, so I have gotten better quality. Some of the girls you see really can be even 5’s underneath but the way they take care of themselves in EE really makes a difference. Even frumpy girls get dolled up, but you see them less often than in America.

As for language-game, personally I find this important because I want to grow as a man and learn languages, but I don’t know how great the return for someone not genuinely interested would be. I’ve gotten to a basic conversational level through studying at least an hour everyday. I can understand better than I can speak, but it is a tough language. All of the girls I’ve hooked up with have spoken at least some English. I end up speaking Russian with them some of the time after the initial bang, but I’ve yet to have a complete Russian language-bang.

That being said, everyone that I meet gives me props for learning the language “молодец” (mala-dyets). Learning the language makes it a lot easier to make friends, and become part of a social circle. Naturally Russians will switch to their language when you’re hanging out with them and it is nice to understand what they are saying.

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“Exactly. It’s easy to pull better girls in East Asia as long as you’re not Black. If you’re Black, you have no chance.

Now, white, tall guys that look like brad pitt have the most advantage, followed by noon-blonde whites, then shorter whites, then your handsome non-black non-whites, then your ugly whites, then your ugly non-white non-blacks. Blacks are the lowest, and you’d better be tall, stereotypical, and perhaps even rich if you want to score being a Black guy. Even then, Blacks certainly cannot compete with other races.”

I don’t think this is totally accurate. One thing a lot of black men (and men in general) forget about this race issue is that it varies by gender. See… its mostly non-black MEN who feel blacks are the lowest of the low. Its the MEN who try to keep their women away from black men. Black men are universally attractive, especially when they are educated and classy.

Non-black men cock-block black men WAY more than any woman ever could. Its the non-black men that create the social stigma of dating black men. Apparently we are a huge threat because everyone is terrified of their women dating or banging us.

Take away all the cock-blocking and black men would lay more pipe than any other race.

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great article. However, there is a way to play the social circle that you have not touched on.

travelandgetlaid.com talks about it in more detail. I like their method of learning to meet a group of travelers. Its the only I have gotten laid in the past and its the easiest.

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It’s soooo sweet that you refuse to see yourself as a sextourist. which you 110% are.

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Cool, I don’t think many people have talked about the language barriers when traveling (as to how it relates to picking up girls). I speak a bunch of languages but it can sure as hell be intimidating to talk to some cute girls when you don’t even speak the language of the land.

I just came back from my trip (see: http://www.waytoosocial.com/situations-and-scenarios/the-travelers-social-advantage-talk-to-anyone-anytime-anywhere/ ) and one of the things I noticed is that you automatically gain 2 advantages when you’re out: You have a ton of stuff to talk about and you couldn’t care less about the reactions you get.

These two things really give you an edge… now if I could only trick my mind into thinking I’m traveling while I’m at home.

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what about English-speaking countries? there’s at least about 15 of them outsiide USA

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You won’t get higher quality abroad than at home? Bullshit. In america i date 7’s and 8s. In Russia I date 8’s, 9s and 10s. And no those aren’t the green card chasers.It’s simply the supply and demand dynamic of hot girls in both countries.

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This is a SOLID post. The people claiming this is BS are just afraid to admit the problem is themselves.

I stayed in SA for a few months, but I had this hope that my above average language skills would compensate for my terrible game and AA and IT DID NOT.

Many women weren’t into me and my terrible anxiety just turned many women off. I had only two or three women that approached me and the rest just acted like they didn’t see me. Of those three that did approach me, they were only mildly impressed with the fact I could speak their language.

Because speaking the language puts your foot part way in the door, but it will not carry you through.

So yea, going overseas will not help you if you already have nearly nothing to start with as far as game is concerned.