The Evolution Of Hate

Years ago when I was operating as DC Bachelor, my full name and even “Roosh” was a secret. If people saw me in the street they’d ask if I was “DCB.” When getting out of DC became my most important goal, I changed the name of the site to Roosh V, a generic title that wouldn’t be dependent on my location.

A lot of newbie creators who put out of their work think getting haters is a sign of accomplishment that suggests their content is of high quality. I, too, thought this. I thought it was fun that all these anonymous morons were foaming at my writing. What I didn’t realize at the time was that these amateurs were the seed for more determined haters that fit more the personality profile of obsessive stalker.

There was a gossip blogger in DC who started writing posts about me around 2006. Let’s just call him Big Gay Rob. He was like the Perez Hilton of the city. He started emailing people for my full name and place of employment. Eventually he got my name. He published it and my heart stopped. Thanks to Google, for all eternity my birth name would be associated with my writings. Not long after, he found out about my previous employer and suggested people call them to say that I’m an awful human being. He went on a tear to reveal the names of the most prominent DC bloggers at that time. There was also another gossip blog allied with him that said I was a rapist who had every STD known to man and simian.

By the time my public information was released, I was a few months away from quitting my job and heading to South America for my first big trip. But what would happen if I wanted to get another job? There would be absolutely no way that a corporation would hire me after doing a simple Google search.

Big Gay Rob made the decision for me: my writing would become my life. Failure was not an option. I had to succeed or be resigned to bartender jobs.

The next couple of years were hard. I hemorrhaged money and was always on a tight budget, having even to resort to stealing drinks in bars. I also encountered difficulties in my travels that I hadn’t expected, but I kept writing and putting out books that I thought other guys would like. Thankfully, they have rewarded me with their purchases. When Big Gay Rob published my name I wanted to crush his skull, but today if I see him I’d shake his hand. There was opportunity in the crisis he created for me that took a few years to germinate.

Sharing personal information is step one in the hater manual. If you are someone who tells the truth, regardless of the subject matter, it will question people’s beliefs and world view. They will hate your guts for it and become motivated to tear you apart. Publishing your name, home address, or private pictures is their first method of attack.

If you’re still standing after getting outed, and show no signs of quitting, step two is to make up lies to tarnish your reputation. The main lie used on me is that I’m a rapist who consciously spreads STDs to women. Game denialists say that I sleep with prostitutes. Recently I read the story of a hater contacting all the female Facebook friends of a certain PUA saying he has STDs, takes advantage of women, and so on.

I was not personally prepared for step three, which is to get the authorities involved. Now I must stress that I’m pissed at myself for letting a hater get leverage on me, but it happened so I had to deal with it.

In my European trip I misunderstood the Schengen tourist visa rules until I had already overstayed. I was aware that I may be hit with a fine or an outright ban for 1-3 years, a penalty I was mentally preparing for. While in the Baltics, towards the end of my trip, a hater from Estonia put up a web site that said I was a horrible sex tourist who was staying in Europe “illegally.” He linked to posts that detailed my travel and game strategy. He went on to spam Reddit, Couchsurfing, Stormfront, and the commenting sections of many Estonian media sites. The ensuing traffic I got from Estonia was ten times what I’d normally get. The problem is that he also put up phone numbers and email addresses to the police in Tartu and Tallinn, the two biggest cities in Estonia.

Within two weeks of arriving in Tartu, a brigade of Estonians went online and announced places where they had seen me (one guy even correctly guessed the apartment company I was staying in). By the fourth week I was recognized every night I went out, more than I ever was in my home base of Washington DC. While I was nervous of police involvement, since getting deported would mean a definite travel ban, the bigger effect was that I couldn’t game in peace. Too many people knew me and were “warning” all the girls that I was a dangerous rapist who spread monkey STDs to pureblood European women. Many girls were curious about me, but their friends would invariably cockblock by saying I was “dangerous.” I remember one girl telling me, “There is no way I’ll let you leave with my friend!” I don’t like playing the race card, but if I was a blonde Swedish guy I wonder if the reaction would have been the same.

One night in the club, towards the end of my stay in Tartu, I noticed two girls looking at me and talking. It was obvious that one of them knew me and was telling the other about who I was. The girl who knew me was massively overweight. I ignored them.

At the bar, another guy recognized me. I bought him a shot because I was in a good mood. Eventually I started talking to a blonde girl. Things were going well until I got a tap on the shoulder from the bouncer. He ordered me to come with him to the front.

There were two policeman in full gear waiting for me. I figured that this was it, I’m getting kicked out of the EU, short of fulfilling my sex mission in the Baltics. The cops asked me for my ID but I said it’s in my room, which was true. I felt heavy vibes as they briefly discussed what to do, but I maintained the best poker face I could.

They asked for my name and I give my full name, not Roosh. They asked me to write it down and I did. One of the officers looked at my name and squinted his eyes, like he was trying to figure things out. They asked me where I was from and my birth date. The guy I bought a shot for came to my defense, saying I’m a “good guy.” The blonde girl also watched with a concerned look on her face. They had a small conference and said that I’m not the guy they are looking for, thanked me for my cooperation, and left.

My guess is that the obese girl called the cops on me and said that my name is “Roosh.” If I gave that name, the game would have been over and there would be no Bang Estonia (currently in development). I went back to the blonde that I was talking to, who was much warmer to me perhaps because of the “danger” factor, but I figured it was best to leave in case the cops figured out that I was the same guy. I went to another bar, where I was recognized again by yet another girl.

I’ll be the first to admit that the episode was exciting, but the benefits of anonymity cannot be overstated. I slipped out of Tartu and went to Tallinn for a week where I went unnoticed despite a last ditch effort by the haters.

A couple months ago some guy wrote about how he saw fake “Wanted” posters in his neighborhood. There was a picture of a black guy and under that his full name and number with a message saying he was a liar and cheater who hurts women. It became clear to me where the future of hate is going. The haters, which in our case are feminists, liberals, and beta males, will try to use government institutions to get you to stop doing whatever they don’t want you to do. But since their accusations are usually based on lies or half-truths, I liken it to amateur terrorism. It’s only the recent case where they were correct in that I was overstaying that they could have caused a big problem for me.

Big Gay Rob had won. He gave me a couple grey hairs. He also made me more committed to my writing. He helped me think of the big picture in how I could make a living from my work. My Estonian haters have also won. They made my time in Estonia more stressful than it should’ve been. They probably cost me a notch or two. They also made me realize that if I want to write a guide about a country, I can’t announce going there. They taught me how to do my work in complete peace and anonymity, which I was successfully able to do the past three months in Ukraine.

For every attack there is a countermeasure that makes you less prone to further attacks. I’m sure one day the haters will cook something else up for me, and when it happens I’ll be ready for them.

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Marmot
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That is truly scary. I admire your willpower in putting up with these mountains of bullshit, particularly the stuff in Estonia.

Tampa
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I love your blog, but I don’t think you are as important as you think you are. I seriously doubt anyone really cares. And as long as your VISA is legit, you aren’t doing anything illegal. Yea, some fat chick might call the cops on you because she is mad that you are banging women and not calling them but fucking random women on a regular basis is not against the law. Tell them to go to hell.

Remember the old saying though: “It’s lonely at the top.”

[Roosh: Did you not read the whole thing? At the time I was illegal.]

Pete M
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I’m really glad things have worked out for you. The information you provide through your website, forum and books is worth infinitely more than the few dollars your books cost me. For that I thank you.

Pete M
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@Tampa – not sure I agree. The headache of dealing with cops is too great, especially in a foreign country. See Tucker Max’s latest article on the subject:
http://www.itsuptoyou.net/how-to-deal-with-cops-and-get-out-of-crimes/

Naughty Nomad
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Damn. Thanks for the advice.

I don’t understand how ‘liberals’ are our enemy though. I’m a liberal! Socially, anyway. I think the term has very different connotations in the States in comparison with Europe.

Your story is good warning to other bloggers.

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Sorry to hear about your Estonia experience, but glad to hear Ukraine worked out well.
Keep up all the great work!

Professor Mentu
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This is messed up. It’s also one of the reasons Ashur and I started UMan with the end in mind.

Regardless of what happens, I know I speak for countless other men who appreciate your writing – not only about banging, but about life as well.

If push comes to shove, you have a place in Austin.

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It would provide a lot of credibility, if you were to link to those hate sites. I for one didn’t find any anti-Roosh reddit spam.

Stay safe!

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Naughty Nomad #5
Yeah liberal in the US means pretty much leftist. The conservatists started using it as a shame word for people with socialist opinions on purpose. In the US someone like you would rather call themselves liberatiran or classical liberal.

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@Anonymous: Did you actually read the article? Why in holy hell would a man draw undue attention to himself?

I get hate from women at work when I causally mention “I’m not with her anymore.” This is hate from women who have never even met my ex, and to whom I never mention game or anything.

Any man with any experience with women would never need someone like Roosh to link to the enemy to provide “credibility.”

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Stay stong

Theophilus
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8: No need to doubt the creds. All that stuff is true, and some of it resurfaced recently with the “hate list” affair.

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People love to believe the worst. They need SOMETHING negative to rally around and get behind. Especially if it has something to do with sex. Gameless dudes will always try to do things like this (though most won’t go to this extent. It will usually be the run-of-the-mill cockblocking). Women desperately want to believe this kind of foolishness. It’s disappointing that other men would go so far as to try to have another man arrested, in a foreign country, for doing what most men either do or want to do. Punks like that should be sentenced to a lifetime of marriage to a raggedy, miserable bitch. Keep being careful out there Roosh.

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Yea – I saw the part where you said the visa issues came up because you overstayed. I guess I misspoke. But I feel ya. People are inherently jealous and envy that which they can’t do themselves. So if you are out banging all these women, the men and women are sexual slaves to their own personal confinements are going to try to take you down because of their personal failures. It’s the evil side of human nature. A man or a woman who is content with their lot in life won’t give a fuck who you’re banging and if you are calling them back.

Keep up the good fight and just give them the middle finger. I bought your books and think they are outstanding tools and well written.

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Yeah, I have always thought that a blogger posting their photo is crazy.

I used to get criticized for it non-stop, but these days it seems like most have evolved and agree with me.

(Roosh, it looks like you took down your photos?)

I guess that is what happens when you are ahead of your time.

Think about how many weirdos there are out there.

And guys that want “pics” of you?

I have never met a man that has ever used the word “pics”.

– MPM

The G Manifesto
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However, Roosh was pretty Bruce Lee on this one.

He took negative situations and turned them positive.

Like water.

– MPM

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How did Big Faggy Rob manage to get your contacts again? Who did he know how to email?

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I had no idea things had gotten that bad with the haters. Dealing with the law, especially in a foreign country, is scary. Props for continuing to do what you believe in.

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When Hernan Cortes arrived in Mexico with an army to conquer the Aztecs, he sank the three ships they sailed in on. Everyone with him knew it was victory or death. Escape wasn’t an option.

They say don’t burn your bridges. But if you weren’t all in, you may not have done all that you’ve done. Big Gay Rob burned your bridges for you.

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“Men of sense often learn from their enemies. It is from their foes, not their friends, that cities learn the lesson of building high walls and ships of war.” – Aristophanes

You got your walls now, and they did well for you in Ukraine. (Can’t wait to buy that one, by the way.) If there’s any justice, Rob will meet his end when a crate of tampons falls off a delivery truck on the freeway and covers his windshield in fluff. But even if not, you turned things around very neatly, like MPM said.

Boheme Chinois
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fuck the haters.

you have our support, Roosh!

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Excellent post. Inspiration.
I’ve learned to greatly appreciate difficult times. I would never trade those events for how they caused me to evolve. When this happens now I know I’ll take something great from it.

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“There was also another gossip blog allied with him that said I was a rapist who had every STD known to man and simian.”

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Such HYPOCRISY in this femiNAZI society. Men have been successfully sued for libel simply for calling some bitch a “slut” or “whore” on the internet, even though we all know “slut” and “whore” are as generic of an insult as they come.

However, these man-hating cunts and faggots can label men as rapists and std carriers and creeps all day long without any consequences. Such hypocrisy. Fuck feminist society. It’s too much to call this society civilized.

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All hatred is self-hatred.

Krauser
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Unbelievable how low nerdy manginas and betas will stoop. You cannot trust men who aren’t getting laid.

The Glee Manifesto
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You can always shave and die your hair blonde the next time you get in a jam

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Salute! And woe to the haters who instead of improving their game want to hurt you.

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Roosh 5: International Fuck-Fugitive

Anonymous
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sue before the deadline (statute of limitations)

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You do go against society conventions and they make you pay the price. “The first rule of fight club is you don’t talk about fight club”. And you not just talk about the fight club, you write books about it.

However, Ukraine and Russia should be safer in that respect. They don’t suffer from that Iceland/Baltics tiny country mentality.

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One thing I like about you Roosh is that you’re one of the only honest guys left in this industry. You say what you want to say despite the reception that you might receive. I truly look up to you as a role model.

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Several years ago I made a travel blog, it was about my backpacking trip in Australia and Asia. There was a couple of fairly timid references to sex and drugs in there and stupidly I had my photo and full name on the blog. It didn’t worry me as I’d never given anyone the URL, not even friends, and had paid to make it private.

Fast forward 4 years since I wrote the blog a girl I’m seeing tells me she’s read something about me online. Turns out, a guy has found my blog, written an article about me calling me all sorts of names and saying I should be banned from leaving my home country. He links to my blog, posts my name and photo up and it’s on page one of google. This has been online for almost 4 years without me noticing.

I could not believe it. Horrified. With not that much effort I’ve managed to bury the article and have deleted the blog. I don’t want internet fame or notoriety and would rather no one I know sees this. I know now never to post anything online that could be regrettable in the future.

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Well, you shouldn’t question Estonian girls’ taste and insinuate that they are “racist” or whatever. There would be absolutely no surprise if they preferred someone “Nordic” looking, after all – that’s what they’re used to and that’s what is normal for them, Estonians are some of the lightest/blondest people in the world. Those are the types of guys that Estonian girls and me as well grew up with, went to school with, that’s what our fathers look like. It is only natural that we chose that type. If they some times go out with darker types, that’s fine, but there is no need to imply that they are “racist” just because they don’t “prefer” darker types. This is typical ridiculous Western PC bullshit.

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Roosh,
Stay strong brother despite what these losers and faggots are trying to do. They do it due to their envy and jealousy that they do not get the same tail and that they are tied to a shitty cubicle all their life. Now go conquer some even hotter locations and make them betas, feminists and manginas die of envy.

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And p.s. You spread hate around, so you shouldn’t be surprised that that’s what you get back. Hate attracts hate. If you go around bragging about how you “hatefuck” women and how they should be treated like trash, then don’t be surprised that people in other parts of the world will not like it. It is not exactly what we’re used to here in the Baltics, that’s not exactly how OUR MEN talk about us here and that’s not exactly how the gender relations are here.

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Informative, harrowing, and brutally honest as always. I raise my glass to you, Sir.

Keep on keeping on.

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Fuck these people, seriously. All this hate stems from jealousy. The women acting this way is to be expected, but these so-called men are just inexcusable. Roosh, you’re my favorite writer on game. It’s guerrilla warfare out there for the manosphere, and I commend your efforts. Soldier on!

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Roosh, you are at most a few years away from rape charges and extradition to a trial somewhere, followed by jail time.

Sorry. This is the new reality of the world.

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This article really resonates with me, as I just got my first bit of “hate” as well in my comments section. http://aroundtheworldin80jobs.com/sayulita-land-of-endless-surf-beautiful-beach-and-bros/

I too do not mask my identity, and as you and TeacherX highlight there is good reason to remain anonymous. I struggle with the idea, as I am a straight talker who doesnt really give a fuck and wants to speak plainly in my views, but on some level, it is really the last string at clinging to a “normal” life in that once you let the cat out the bag, and voice opinions that mediocre minds might find a reason to utterly hate or stop you for expressing, it can be an emotional leap. One where you kind of step away from the way you were raised growing up with the idea of running up the corp. ladder or caring about a “reputation”. I like the reference to burning the ships and once you make the commitment, it opens doors. I have always had one foot in one and one foot in another which has been kind of a problem for me, but now that I have taken bigger strides to fully committing to a life abroad, and making my own biz happen overseas, things seem to be swinging in my direction more. http://aroundtheworldin80jobs.com/demystifying-location-independence/

Thanks for sharing your story, it is alarming yet encouraging in the same go – that is to say, that if others are willing to be themselves by putting themselves out there and going for what they want, it means that I have no reason not too as well.

Cheers,

Turner

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This just goes to show you, that despite their goofy demeanor, the B. G. Robs of the world are not about equality, or civility, or even just dissent. They are about power. The law of the jungle still prevails, and despite the pretense of civility, this is a fight to the death. Our (mostly) leftist detractors would have our throats slit and our bodies tossed into a pit…if they could just get away with it. Since they can’t do that yet, they go for the next best thing, but make no mistake, Roosh and all who share his ideas are targeted for extermination.

Rollo Tomassi
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Game haters like to poke fun at manosphere bloggers for using pseudonyms. “If they’re so committed to their beliefs why do they hide behind fake names?”

Trust me, it has nothing to do with vanity.

How many (even militant) feminists among the Jezebel set would ever need to worry about repercussions to their families, career, even physical safety, for their ideological writing?

One of the inherent dangers of becoming the go-to guy on Game or anything that rubs a feminine defined reality the wrong way is that you paint a pretty big target on yourself. Literally and figuratively.

I’m not a proponent of Roissy’s politics, but I definitively co-sign with his perspective on intergender relations. Now, which of these stances earns him the most vitriol? His writings about gender; that’s how important it is to defend the feminine imperative for the masses of online feminists and manginas. They can ignore his political screeds as just some right-wing crank, but they become so irate with his perspective on intergender dynamics that they seek to do him personal and professional harm.

You are only as anonymous online as your opinions make you nondescript. Piss off the wrong aspergers troll or Jezebel fanatic and they will hunt you down digitally. I’m becoming more aware of this as my own blog becomes more popular. So the next time you’re reading a popular Game blog remember, the guys writing in the manosphere put their lives and reputations at risk to do so.

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Thanks for sharing, Roosh. I needed this

dave
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you’re a regular james bond

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Roosh after reading about you getting fucked by that guy in DC and what it did to your career, I makes me think twice about how much I want about myself on the internet, because I still keep a day job.

Also for what you are doing you really can’t be known because you can’t write books and go to contries incognito and do good work if you are known ahead of time.

We’re very lucky to have you. Your contribute to
Game Travel is more important than what Biology lost.

@Tampa There are many haters out there and it is also dangerous in many countries. Any of the FSU (former Soviet Union) the cops are very crooked, Mafia and it is very easily to get fucked with. In many other 3rd world countries people would just as soon hurt you or kill you for a few dollars. So you watch your back and don’t piss anyone off!

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LOL.

What you sow is what you reap.

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around the world in 80 jobs,

Just read that article.

I would hardly count that as “hate”. It was just an old woman disagreeing with what you wrote.

When you have over 20 death threats, come talk to me.

Cool blog by the way.

– MPM

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Thanks MPM,

I will watch out for the death threats. Thus far only mild retarded comments. Maybe once I bartend in Greece and let loose will I feel real disgust. I guess game blogs are different, I have already had a euro lover confront me on my advocacy and admiration of roosh, but nothing serious of note.

fuck it.

-t

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“The haters, which in our case are feminists, **liberals**, and beta males”

Let us assume for a second that one is always either a liberal or a conservative – you think the church going, “family values” conservative crowd somehow hates you less than the liberal crowd? LOL

I just can’t think of any way that someone being liberal would hate you more than someone who’s conservative.

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Why not just name “big gay rob” for anybody not familiar with DC bloggery.

Repay the favor.

What have you to lose.

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People are still coming to grips with the internet and its relation to the real world. As someone who has been on boards since the 1200 baud days and watched the evolution and growth over the years, my advice is to maintain a public representation of oneself that you manage from a pure PR perspective (brand management) and have all of your fun anonymously. Always maintain plausible deniability. Anyone who accuses you of cowardice for this is a fucking idiot that has no idea how the game is played, or thinks you are. It’s like someone calling you chicken for not wanting to play russian roulette with a fully loaded gun.