The Female Orgasm Is Trivial

There is nothing more meaningless and superfluous in the world than the female orgasm. Biologically, it is an accident of evolution. Whether a female has an orgasm or not does not affect her ability to become impregnated by a man’s seed, which is ejected only when he has an orgasm. If men stop having orgasms, the human race will be extinct in 100 years. If females stop having orgasms, there will be much shrieking and fury in the pages of Cosmo, but the race will continue unimpeded. Fertility rates will not drop even 1%.

If spice was eradicated from the earth, and food suddenly became bland, would you stop eating? You’d miss certain tastes, but your health and well-being wouldn’t be affected as you’d still get pleasure from chewing and feeling sated. If the female orgasm was abolished, women would continue to have sex because the act of sex, of feeling a man thrusting deep inside them with masculine power, is pleasing to the woman.

Giving a female an orgasm is like giving a child a piece of candy on top of his required sustenance.  The candy may provide the parent with a temporarily ability to slack off on providing the child with its other more whimsical wants, such as a new toy, but otherwise the child’s development or character will not be affected.

If a woman decided to have sex with you, that means you provide value to her besides the sexual. Whether you give her an orgasm or not is irrelevant, and she will continue seeing you even if the sex was uninspiring. The only breed of woman who is obsessed with sexual satisfaction are professional sluts who see you as a penis instead of a man. Nothing is lost for you by not having sex with them a second time, and even if you do provide these sluts with a great penis, she will soon ache for a new one. If anything, giving her an orgasm may add by one or two the amount of sexual episodes you have with her. Trying to satisfy her is actually a foolhardy investment for it doesn’t guarantee your value in her eyes. The orgasm’s hold on a woman is tenuous because she becomes accustomed to the pleasure that any one man can give her, quickly taking it for granted.

In fact, being able to give a woman an orgasm is more a curse than a blessing. She looks forward to the sex act not as a way to please you, as easy as that may be, but as a means for her pleasure alone. Her expectations rise at your expense while she forgets that you like orgasms too.

Recently I was having sex with a young Polish girl who was experiencing some pain, even though I deflowered her a month prior. A moment of weakness entered my brain and I asked, “Do you want me to stop?” She quickly corrected my error, saying, “No, I want you to finish.” And finish I did, without providing her any pleasure except the emotional satisfaction in capitulating yet again to the only man who has ever violated her. Her opinion of me didn’t change from her still lifetime lack of a vaginal orgasm, and she was more than eager to spend time with me in the future.

The type of woman that is worthy of your time doesn’t care about her pleasure, only yours. In fact, any woman who verbalizes her hope of experiencing an orgasm or—more obnoxiously—gives you unsolicited advice on how you could make her achieve one, is not at all worthy of your time. It would be like a child demanding candy from her parents even though those parents provide more than enough food for the child to survive and grow. A woman, it turns out, needs an orgasm like a fish needs a bicycle. Her orgasm is a vestigial relic that will face evolutionary pressure of eradication as nature realizes it’s not essential.

I will nod my head if a woman tells me she has experienced an orgasm from my doing, but deep down I don’t care one way or another. If she dislikes my bedroom program that she is free to leave at any time, for I know that there are way too many woman who correctly place more value in my orgasm, which has biological significance while hers does not. A man who even thinks about the female orgasm for just one minute of the year is misguided and wasting his time and energy on something that will not bring him any long-term satisfaction in his dealings with the opposite sex.

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This post just changed my life, thank you.

Just Me
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2 Years later:

After reading this post, women never wanted to sleep with me again. WTF?

Sincerely,
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Your post years ago on “It Doesn’t Matter if She Orgasms or Not” changed my my entire outlook on sex and getting with women. I was just a boy then when I read it, still intimidated by women and having sex with them, thinking that I needed to please them sexually. After your post, I changed my entire mindset into believing that she needs to provide pleasure for me. And it is true. It does not matter if she make her orgasm to get seconds.

Oh, I’m also not sure about this but I seem to remember in evolutionary biologist Robin Bakers Sperm Wars that the female orgasm does have a factor in helping some women conceive on some level. Something about the “upsuck theory” that after women orgasm, it helps the sperm swim upward. And after orgasm, women get sleepy and remain horizontal so the sperm does not leak out. That’s Bakers theory. I’m not totally sure about this though. But that just might be all the evidence needed to convince International Players to NOT want a woman to orgasm.

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Q: How can you tell when a woman has an orgasm?
A: Who cares?!

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My original hint of “game” may have been hearing Howard Stern insist that his most enjoyable sex occurred when he didn’t give a damn how the girl felt or whether she got off.

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I have to dissent here – a rarity with Roosh.

He is absolutely right that men who worry about a woman’s orgasm are losers, indeed pathetic. But if you can make women climax easily, then that is a different matter.

Making women come is part physical and part psychological, and some men find it easy, some don’t. It’s always been easy for me.

And I have to be honest – my ability to give women massive Os without really trying has enabled me to walk over even the strongest-willing gal. Once you make them have insane orgasms, they will put up with epic amounts of your crap – often for years.

If you fuck them right the first time – hard, animalistic, pounding, big orgasms – they will have a tough time ever getting you out of their vaginas and hearts, and they will treat your dick like a drug.

Really … so don’t try hard, if you have this skill, exploit it to the – ahem – hilt. If you don’t have it, don’t sweat it, just pump her full.

Worst thing is worrying about it or trying too hard.

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Excellent points. I had never thought about the O that way. You’re absolutely right. Her O is irrelevant.

What a freeing concept. For 30 years I was brainwashed into thinking it was my responsibility to provide her an O. What I really need to do is “just finish.”

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A few years back I used to care a lot about the girls orgasm to the point where as soon as we finished fucking i’d ask her if she came. It’s an absolutely pointless question. It makes you sound insecure whatever her answer is. Stop asking and stop caring.

If she orgasms that’s great, but I have to agree with Roosh in saying that sex is about the pleasure you get out of it. Nothing more.

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Make you realise the manufactured “issue” FGM really is.

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You seriously think it’s ok to cut off a females clit? It’s a real issue, not a manufactured one. It’s never on to hold someone down and mutilate them. It causes a lifelong problem of trauma, depression and sexual dysfunction.

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I’m sure he is not the only one to get these kind of ideas from his posts. Dude straight up wants beautiful slave women who demands nothing.

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my gf rarely has orgasms from usual sex. but I dont care, because I have! (c) jimmy carr

Jack
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If you have to ask if she came …. she didn’t.

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Well, I don’t agree 100%. As it is true that you should not ask if she came or do things asking shit like “oh, do you like it?” or “is this way good?” I think (or at least is they way I feel) that I’m nowhere if I can’t make a woman have an orgasm, you can think it is validation, or something, but as for some is very important the notch or flag count, for me it’s if I fuck them, I make them come. Of course, when I was younger I was far from that objective, but now, at my 27, I can say with confidence that at least the 10-12 girls I slept with the last 2 years or so they all have come, and for most of them was the first time (shaking legs, squirting and shit)… and man, once you do that, you can fuck them in call, even if you disappeared for a long time.

From The Sixteen Commandments Of Poon of Heartiste

‘XIV. Fuck her good
Fuck her like it’s your last fuck. And hers. Fuck her so good, so hard, so wantonly, so profligately that she is left a quivering, sparking mass of shaking flesh and sex fluids. Drain her of everything, then drain her some more. Kiss her all over, make love to her all night, and hold her close in the morning. Own her body, own her gratitude, own her love. If you don’t know how, learn to give her squirting orgasms.”‘

It’s not what you do I think, it’s more the intent you have (I even think I read that from Bang), so if you worry about doing this because of what she will thing of you, you’re fucked, I do this for me, as having a lot of notches makes me feel good, also leaving them all wet, shaking and in some sort of trance, makes me feel even better.

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during the female orgasm, the cervix actually jumps down and repeatedly stabs itself into the puddle of jizz sitting in the vagina, sucking it up for impregnation. i’ve actually seen video of it. what that suggests is that the female orgasm is purposed for getting pregnant during gangbangs – where one man’s seed is already inside and the next pumps her to oblivion. thus the female orgasm is a cuckoldry tool. proceed with caution.

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hi Roosh, I think you might be a little short-sighted in this post. Here are some points that are worth some further thought:

1. What do you mean by “accident of evolution”? Isnt evolution all an accident but only those accidents which further the survival of the species stick around? Women are already selective enough now with the ability to orgasm. Would they be too selective without the ability to orgasm? I guess a study could be done to see if women who are unable to reach orgasm during sex have more/less sex (or children) than women who do orgasm during sex (whether single or in a relationship), and that would tell us how the lack of an orgasm would affect reproduction. Most of the civilized world already isnt reproducing enough–at a rate of less than 2 children per female. How would lack of female orgasm affect that?

2. When a woman orgasms does she become more attached and submissive to the man she has sex with? Based on the amounts of oxytocin that floods women’s brains during orgasm, I would say that getting a woman to orgasm is a sure-fire way of making her “yours”. The mere act of sex already creates this attachment, but the oxytocin rush during orgasm strengthens it. It’s the same chemical rush that happens during breastfeeding and makes womenattached to their Infants.

3. We all know women are emotional wrecks. Does their orgasm calm this emotional storm down for a while? In my experience it does.

4. Some people get pleasure from pleasing others. It might be because I’ve been programmed this way, but getting a woman to orgasm during sex is one of the most pleasurable parts of sex. It’s also a good challenge with many women. And it’s part of my nature to overcome challenges. It’s a different element to the game.

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roosh, this is all wrong.

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I agree with Dave. You shouldn’t care if she orgasms so much that it detracts from your pleasure. That is lose lose. You have a bad time, and it actually make your performance worse. But if you can consistently give a woman orgasms, she will let you get away with murder.

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Dumb. You’re losing it, Roosh.

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Profound. Gets at a very important sticking point of inner game too easily overlooked. The focus on the male orgasm or not is exactly the woman’s inexperience as virtue, and why virgin wives were not optional but practically necessary for civilization and culture was culled to arrive at that principle. However, there is strategic value to the female orgasm, and TO THE FEMALE of course. It’s some of the best stuff in Red Queen: http://mxplx.com/Meme/499/

“[Baker and Bellis] found that in faithful women about 55 percent of the orgasms were of the high-retention (that is, the most fertile) type. In unfaithful women, only 40 percent of the copulations with the partner were of this kind, but 70 percent of the copulations with the lover were of this fertile type. Moreover, whether deliberately or not, the unfaithful women were having sex with their lovers at times of the month when they were most fertile. These two effects combined meant that an unfaithful woman in their sample could have sex twice as often with her husband as with her lover but was still slightly more likely to conceive a child by the lover than the husband.”

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Great Post, that is fucking deep dude…

Will keep it in mind, great work!

“God’s last name is Dammit.”

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I believe I’ve found the source of your difficulties in finding true love.

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I don’t agree with this post. If a woman can’t orgasm with me it’s not a big problem, but I always try to make the woman enjoy sex with me as much as possible because that’s the best way to make her bond with me and want to have sex with me again.

If I give her good sex and orgasms, she will be also more submissive and do me favors such as give me blowjobs, anal sex etc. I don’t think one should be selfish in bed.

Women also tell all their friends if a guy is really good in bed. That makes it easy to fuck all her friends too.

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This is the BEST and TRUTHFUL article you’ve ever written. I always giggle when I hear men (male bitches) talk about how great they are in bed and how their bitch is in love with them because of their performance in bed and penis size. I wanna shake these lying virgins by the shoulders and scream at them “That’s COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT to her attraction towards you”. Heartiste is destroying a generation of men with his gay articles. Rooshv for once speaketh the truth.

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Came here to mention the evolutionary purpose of a woman’s orgasm and that it makes her much more likely to get pregnant if she has one, and to site Robin Baker’s work–second comment did it for me, nice smile

If you’re trying to knock her up, at least, yes it matters.

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Shit, I meant “cite”, not “site”, argh. I’m not dumb I swear.

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if a girl climaxes she becomes more addicted to u since not many other guys know wht there doin.orgasm is an emotional button tht bad boys trigger

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Spot on.
This is an important point that’s often missed.

I used to care a lot about girl’s orgasms. To the point that I’d feel like a failure if I didn’t make them come. I was terrified they’d think I was bad in bed, and tell all their friends. I would get down and eat out girls I was on a first date with! Uggh….totally beta. Is it any surprise that my success at making them cum was marginal?

Nowadays, I’ve been with enough women to know this: the female orgasm is fickle. Many girls simply cannot cum from any way but masturbation. Many girls have self-consciousness that makes it impossible for them to relax enough to come. Many of them have desensitized their clits from vibrator overuse, and are unable to cum with anything but a vibrator. Many of them have sex as a means to an end, but aren’t really into the orgasm part of it.

The harder you try to make these sluts come, the more futile the mission becomes.

The more you relax and focus on your own pleasure, while disregarding hers, the better in bed you become. Then she starts having orgasms on accident without you even trying.

I read a quote recently that sums it up: The best way to make sure you’ll be lousy in bed is to be concerned with her pleasure.

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You obviously don’t know what you’re doing. Sometimes, during sex, the clitoris isn’t fully stimulated. That’s why girls sometimes need an extra hand or a vibrator to come and by sometimes, I mean frequently. It’s not about desensitisation. Oh and just by masturbation? Try using your fingers or tongue. They both work a treat.

The more you disregard mine, the more of a turn-off you are. It’s delusional to think that I’d ever come “accidentally” after that but continue believing it if it soothes and validates your ego.

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Agree with Jack, above, #6 & 10–Roosh is a little off on this one. Mostly correct, but missing the broader context, that broads get addicted to great sex.

Lay that shit down right, give a girl mind-blowing orgasms, you can dicknotize her, she’ll need you & your masculine powers like a drug. The whole evolutionary purpose of female orgasm is twofold: one, to bond her to her mate, two, to energize the female reproductive tract for conception.

Bogart, if a woman can’t come without me trying, I next them.

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this is powerful

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As a cisgendered male … just kidding.
But this article is totally off. There is absolutely an evolutionary purpose for a female orgasm. Girls who have an orgasm during sex are more likely to get pregnant after you dump your load in them. You need to take your beard out of your ass. And not caring if a girl gets off is kind of faggy.

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Agreed. Giving a female orgasm maximizes her chances of pregnancy. This article is way off.

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great post

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good post as usual

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Hmmmm…. I disagree with this article. C’mon Roosh, you’re slipping man.

Granted,a female orgasm should not drive a man to distraction, but it should not be something taken completely off the table in a selfish manner.

It’s my belief that female orgasms do in fact create a stronger bond in women who are not all out, raging sluts/whores.

In many cases a strong effort in sex will be rewarded with female orgasms. That’s been my experience over the past 39 years of copious screwing.

Just as a man should know how to fix various things ( change car tires, exercise, play a sport, have a hobby…), a true man should understand female anatomy and make that knowledge work to his advantage.

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Anyone who says “cisgendered” is a manboob.

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Sad, nihilistic midlife crisis shit. Is this really what it’s come down to for you? It doesn’t make you feel good that a woman you’re with feels good?

You’re now trying to stretch the alpha/beta dichotomy to include ANY consideration of her pleasure. It’s one thing to say “there is more to sex than orgasms” or “don’t try hard to please a girl that isn’t trying at least as hard”, another to dismiss any effort.

Worse, you’re phrasing this shit like some kind of method to keep better girls around, as in women with no wants, whatsoever. Cause if a girl has any wants whatsoever beside basking in the glow of your hairy shlong, that makes her a feminist.

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I feel the same way. I think it’s sad that they think any woman with any sort of wants, needs or desires is some sort of horrible man hating slag. When you involve someone else’s body, it’s no longer all about you. Sex involves two people therefore both peoples feelings need to be taken into consideration. If they don’t like it, then they should just stick to jerking it

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“Worse, you’re phrasing this shit like some kind of method to keep better girls around”

It sure got YOU hot and bothered.

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The female orgasm is not a necessity…but a complete lack of one over a period of time (say in a relationship perhaps) will surely turn an obliging partner into a bored or unwilling one. It might be the best way to reward behavior you want repeated- and every species on the planet responds to rewards.
I suppose the female orgasm is a little bit like the blow job. Does its lack of procreative function render it void of all value???

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A bitch feels good when you wear the pants in the relationships, take charge and lead her as a dominant man with standards. A normal woman stays in a relationship not because of any dick performance, she stays because she is emotionally invested in a dominant man. A weak man will never experience a bitch lusting after his cock because you’re a neurotic fag worried about pleasing her rather than pleasing yourself.

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I disagree.

1. I strongly suspect that the orgasm in females is not vestigial, cf. Reality Doug’s comment

2. I don’t believe you when you day you don’t care if she cums.

3. I do care, and not in some obsequious way but because of.my own visceral reaction to the hallmarks of that event.

4. Another reason to get them off (during sex I mean, not in some lame lesbian way) is that nothing like a proper fuck culminating in simultaneous orgasm turns them into the sweet little kittens we prefer them to be. A properly fucked woman can be a pleasure to be around, even out of bed.

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Everything in this post is true, but the value of giving a good fuck can’t be understated either. Fucking a girl well the first few times can amplify the power of your game exponentially. Furthermore, it’s simply not that hard to fuck a woman well. Their desires are fairly straightforward and vaginas aren’t that complicated.

for newbies and intermediate gamers, I would highly recommend looking into how to fuck a woman well.

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I must be an outlier. Getting her off is what gets me off. Plus, it makes for longer-lasting sessions.

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No wonder Betas have trouble with women. Women go for the men who they even THINK can give them an orgasm. Real players know this.

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Yeah this is pretty wrong on many levels.

First you are more likely to impregnate a woman if the sex is good, this has been scientifically proven.

Second, a girl who likes having sex with you will be much more sexual, and this means fucks in unexpected places and regular blowies. She also won’t cheat on you even if you mess around, because she knows she won’t find a better cock than yours.

And last, and more importantly, giving a girl orgasms at will establishes dominance like nothing else.
A well fucked girl will give you the puppy eyes all the time, because you got your grasp on her from A-Z. No matter how alpha you think you are, if you can’t please her sexually, you fail her at some level.

The golden rule is you should come each time.
The rule of thumb is you should try to make her come too while you are at it.

Get some bed skills, you ll see how easy it will make your future fucks. Now it just looks like a bunch of bad lays who rationalize their lack of skills the way they can.
Manuel Ferrara is your friend.

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Dooshv is obviously bad in bed…

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^^Make you realise the manufactured “issue” FGM really is.^^

That’s disgusting, come on. But it does make you realize what a huge fucking deal MGM is.

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Male hamster run amock: “I suck in bed so let me rationalize it away by saying I don’t care if she comes or not”.

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This might be the Absolute Truth of Game, and I believe it to be true, based on personal experience. Every newbie to the Game need only read this post.

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yeah…this post is pretty far off the mark

‘Trying’ to obsequiously satisfy her is lame. But satisfying her because you can touch her right and lay the pipe like a boss is not.

When you can make a girl squirm in ecstasy and have her shaking after making her cum multiple times, you’ve got her on lock. it’s not something you focus on, it’s just something you do because you know you’ve got that magic, son.

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The very idea that men need some “skills” to make women orgasm speaks for itself.
No one needs any “skills” for a man to get off.

In a world without contraceptives, sex is a very minor part of a woman’s life. For a few short years when she’s young and fertile, she’s pregnant most of the time and has no need for anyone’s seed.

A few rolls in the hay after she has one kid, BAM she’s primed with another.

Even with our modern world of contraceptives, she’s only really in season a few days of the month. Not even that if the pill is messing with her hormones.

Most of the time for her, the sex act’s real charm is being desired and desirable. Seeing her lover unable to resist.
Feeling him lose control and finally surrendering himself inside of her.
Everyone wants to be wanted.

Roosh is pretty much right. For the most part, men are the sexual sex.

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Surely pussy is the most amazing thing in the world, no? Why wouldn’t you want to spend time working on it, loving it, making it cum?

..Do you think you should try cock instead?

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Brave, honest post. Right on the money. The fact that you have managed to ruffle some feathers in the comments is a pretty clear sign that you struck a true chord. Nice to see an unpopular, divisive opinion expressed in the manosphere–a place where boring consensus too often reigns. Really unfortunate that you’re not into Asian chicks, Roosh, because for them a man’s pleasure is paramount. After dealing with porn-trained, Cosmo-riddled Westerners, sex with a good native Asian girl just feels so…natural and right. I think you owe it to yourself to at least do some experimenting in that direction, you might be surprised by what you find.

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“Whether a female has an orgasm or not does not affect her ability to become impregnated by a man’s seed”

Actually it does. Do the research.

And don’t forget about oxytocin, the bonding chemical.

When women get together we often talk about the sexual skills of our men. Word gets around.

But beyond all that, again, oxytocin and other feel good chemicals are released during and after orgasm. The more intense or multiple the orgasms, the more the chemicals and bonding to her man.

Another thing is that it is very painful to be brought half way or near and not be allowed to climax. There must be closure. When it doesn’t happen there is pain in the vagina and abdomen.

Frustrating.

You guys may not care about any of this but a lot of women do. Those who don’t have not had good sex so they think it doesn’t exist or that no man is skilled enough so they settle. Or maybe they just have a low sex drive and don’t care or they don’t care about feeling extremely bonded to their man.

But for couples that can share multiple orgasms, and it takes time and practice and skills (Tantric techniques and other Asian techniques are helpful) – I tell you that it is LIFE CHANGING FOR BOTH PARTNERS.

I won’t say its “spiritual” like some people do because spirituality or communion with God does not require sex, but it does truly transcend boundaries and mimics mystical experience.

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I had a girlfriend who getting her off was like trying to open a bank vault; I cared about her so I tried (at least initially, eventually I stopped giving a fuck) and she was pretty. Sometimes it happened, sometimes it didn’t, but she still stayed with me for almost two years.

I’ve had girls that seem to cum when I’ve just been grinding up against them; some of them just vanished after a few weeks, only to randomly call me to ‘come over’ here and there. I’m not saying that the female orgasm is bullshit, but I think that men overestimate its importance; I’ve never once seen a girl end a relationship solely on the grounds of her man not being able to get her off.

The way not to deal with it is by getting hung up on it, that’s practically putting her on a pedestal; Seinfeld told us this a decade and a half ago. The best way is to get yours, and if she gets hers, then cool, but if not, whatever.

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Well then nice to meet you. I have ended numerous relationships and ditched dudes all together due to them being shit in bed. So now you can say you at least know one. Even if you don’t technically know me lol

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The ones who came after you were grinding up against them(?) faked it most likely: FYI and were freaked out that you believed it, so didn’t call you back.