The First Foreigner Effect

One of the most underrated factors in attraction is curiosity. Many girls will sleep with certain types of men just to see what it’s like. For example, every white girl will want to sleep with at least one black guy, and every black girl will want to sleep with at least one white guy. This works not only with races but with nationalities as well. While we methodically pursue flags, girls do it on a more casual level. They’re curious about Spanish, French, and Azerbaijani men, notching their belts almost as studiously as we notch ours.

The strongest attraction component I’ve found in Eastern Europe, especially Poland, is being the very first foreigner a girl has met. If I am the first American a girl has come across, and she is okay with my appearance, I have an insanely high chance of banging her. It’s the closest I’ve come to having a “rock star” effect, even more so than when a girl actually saw me beforehand on television (Romania, Ukraine). Girls want to discreetly try different types of cock, and as progressive ideals spread around the world, they are encouraged to do so without shame.

I want to take credit for having amazing, pussy-wetting game, but when a girl is giving me an exceedingly positive response early in an interaction, I ask, “Am I the first American you’ve met?” Over 50% of the time, the answer is yes. After that point all I have to do is not fuck up. I know what you’re thinking now: how can I be the first foreigner a girl meets? Simple:

  • Go to third-tier cities, including rural towns
  • Day game

Clubs are no longer a good place to maximize the FF effect. Your best scenario in clubs is meeting girls who may have never banged an American before, but still has met quite a few of them. The level of curiosity is lower and there is no longer a sense of urgency since she knows she’ll keep meeting your kind. Second-tier cities used to be a good place to get a strong FF effect, but EasyJet, RyanAir, Erasmus, and love tourists such as myself have changed that in the past five years. Sometimes I see more foreigners in second-tier cities than first (e.g. Wroclaw vs Warsaw). It seems that now only third-tier cities will provide you with an FF effect, at a cost of lesser selection when it comes to girls, living amenities, shopping, tourist sights, restaurants, cultural events, and so on.

Of course I’m not saying that you need to be the first foreigner to get laid. In fact, banging an English groupie you meet in a first-tier city may be easier than the village girl who is impressed with your nationality, but it’s the easiest way to sleep with girls who have yet to embrace a promiscuous lifestyle and who don’t expect you to play the game perfectly. They are often happy enough just to hear your accent while learning about your culture, and won’t test you like girls who are more experienced with foreign cock. It’s the best way to meet a girl-next-door type, and all it takes is your commitment to go to a boring city and run day game for at least a couple weeks.

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LaidNYC
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This works with almost any other group men can be compartmentalized into as well. Jobs, for example. Every girl in NYC wants to fuck a firefighter.

Listen to girlfriends talk amongst themselves, they will often mention a guys job before his actual name. “Wall Street Greg” or something like that. She’s not fucking him, she is fucking the compartment she put him in.

Girls flag just like men.

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Very masculine behavior

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But you look more like a terrorist than an American? Are you sure they’re not just trying to hook up with the Taliban?

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well girls do love bad boys. and thats as badass as it gets.

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quote:”Of course I’m not saying that you need to be the first foreigner to get laid. In fact, banging an English groupie you meet in a first-tier city may be easier than the village girl who is impressed with your nationality..”

Interesting insight and so true. It may be a cutlural interest thing. For example I have in my travels met women overseas (south america, eastern europe) yet have never been to the USA. But these types of girls have a thing not entirely for me, but rather for the culture of which I am from. They have fine tuned their english fluency by watch constantly american TV shows and movies. Many have read famous American books, etc. So I may simply be a part of her “image” she has of the States. But hell, it’s all good I suppose.

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why do people take advice from this caveman asshole? have you been to the forum its full of desperate no pussy gettin closet fags who get together to compare each others pecks.

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In second-tier cities, this very rarely happens. You’d have to go somewhere incredibly isolated, and even then, in civilized Europe, most girls have travelled to at least the capital of their country, where they have met foreigners.

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But girls are less promiscue in rural areas

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Its true, i cum to USA and bang all your sister sluts, drain my sack into so many of them, the reason why your not is that you locals are gay and have no game, keep it up guys, better for me!!

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Please, take them. Also, take some Valtrex.

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I was wondering this too.
Like in se Asia a white guy has allot of rock star status, could this eventually go since there are so many of them year by year and local people wont think anything of em, Thinking of them as just plain old vanilla. Well until something else becomes more exotic like guys coming from emerging economies in say Latin america, middle east or India or something, whom can now increasingly afford foreign vacations(and some style and status while their at it).

Or are now that poor nations are getting rich and western world is going broke their hypergamous nature wont care for the white american status and instead will pick a local man or a rich man from china,India or Brazil in year 2050(whom will be highly developed).

Well in Eastern Europe the first paragraph makes more sense since they are a developed nation and its curiosity that intrigues them. But in poor nations I think the wealth,status and hypergamy(in my 2nd paragraph) is the major factor for them to want a foreign man. Which will diminish in the coming decades as the poor nations are catching up.
you can google hdi of countrys for that.
But in the future we will see more foreign competition for women as the world gets wealthier

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It wont happen, they go for the white guys due to their features. Sometimes its not about the cash e.g Japanese guys never became popular and they used to have the 2nd largest economy.

Possibly brazillians may become more popular but indian or Chinese guys no.

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perhaps. But thats what im getting at. They love the Caucasoid features but wont they eventually tire and want a new set of features like african polynesian or middle eastern,since whites are getting common losing that novelty.
But wasnt kpop and jpop create a big following there. Like last time I checked they also get foreign brides there from that region.
I think brazil and india(well except thailand cuz they hate indians) could give competition when they get rich and can afford a better style due to somewhat similar features.

But the looks vs money above basically works as alpha fucks beta bucks i suppose

But this whole notion of them performing a certain ideal is iffy. Like take me for example I like the japanese beautys then the asian american looks since they look more feminine. And this americanized version capitalizes more on sterotypical asian features while the japanese one trys to minimize it and look more western.

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Until you start hearing about people going to the plastic surgeons asking for “mongoloid” eyes and “negroid” noses, I’m not buying a preference shift. The market is what it is – don’t fight it, just adapt.

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I’m not so sure. I’ve seen hip hop thorugh the roof in a c ertain asian country, even when all common sense would say it’s congruous. Many e. asian women have more vacation than we do now and no longer get that exotic high in the west. Instead they go to holes, like Turkey or jamaica, not knowing the dagner these places can present.
In general, yes, I agree with you, Caucsain features have been teh traditional preference in Asia, and most of the world, Hollywood’s recent denigration of those features, not withstanding.

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Music preference is one thing, facial features are another. False pairing.

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middle eastern and or Indian is part of the white group! It’s called the Indo-European Race correctly not the white race, because whitin each race the shade or complexion of skin goes from light to dark or dark to light, but it does not matter because you still belong to the same group, kind or race of humanity. Middle eastern and non mongoloid central Asians look exactly like the people of Southern Europe such as turkey, Greece, Italy, Spain and purtogal. There is only Three major races: Indo European or white, African or black and mongoloid or Asians. Everything else is their hybrids but even they only fall into two categories: African or Asian. I order for someone to be called of the so called white race both their parents must be from the indo European ancestry so that their off springs could have the same bodily or facial features of an indo European or white individual. I’m only scraping the very basic of the surface here.

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This is happening to an extent, but based on the observations of my friend in Taiwan, ugly fat white guys are decreasing in value, and they are starting to gravitate towards pretty-boy Koreans and White guys that are actually good-looking.

I doubt that White guys will ever lose their spot in Asia, but other races can probably get in in pockets and stints. For example, in the mid-2000s, Black guys were popular amongst a sizable population of girls in Japan.

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Unfortunetaley, i think the misinformed rap mania still exists in japan, and no, I can’t explain it either, other than hip hop in Japan is clownish but harmless…

Grand Admiral Gainz
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My research indicates that rap mania doesn’t exist in Japan anymore, but if it does, then it is pseudo-beneficial from my perspective as a Black man.

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Honestly-
Is alpha vs. beta just a matter of testosterone and/or genetic superiority?

How much has culture neutered man’s inherently aggressive and savage nature?

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It may depend. I once met a estonian girl who had had a relationship with a guy from my same country (southern Europe), and she accepted to date me mostly because I was the SECOND. It sounded like she liked guys from my country (and my country) and wanted to keep it up. If her first experience had been negative, she probably wouldn’t have been too keen to ride my cock.
Also, stereotypes play a big role. If american guys have the reputation of being players, she will be quite attentive in testing you. If french and italians have that of being romantic betas, the shit-test (mostly in EE countries) could rise to sky-rocket levels. And so on.

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The more I learn about game the more I see confidence is where its at but if oh are new its like a career you need experience to be respected but if no one will hire you- what’s the answer?

Also-
What about routines, Nlp patterns, stories, and other things we can use that have worked tremendously well for you guys and the author?

Basically, I’m asking for a complication if best practices and routines that have worked well for both the author and the readers. Language that works.

Ps-
Do any of you believe women operate solely on language? Like language is their drug like juicy ass and big tits are ours?

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The only way to gain confidence is to do something that requires confidence. You just have to push yourself over the edge that first time, and subsequent times it will become easier. You’ll still feel the apprehension, you’ll just learn to ignore it.

The thing is, no one can tell YOU what works for YOU. Different things work for different guys, so you have to get off your ass, unglue yourself from the screen, get out and start approaching.

Roosh says you have to approach 100 women just to get past the beginner stage of game:

http://www.rooshv.com/the-roosh-program

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Ive done over 200 approaches but I wouldnt be happy without doing at least 2,000.

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I don’t get how you get these beautiful women. You’re just not attractive. You must be really good at game or they must be really easy.

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What amazes me about the sense of entitlement of young American women today is the overwhelming number of them think that they’re Beyonce, when they are clearly not. Girls who are at the most 5’s putting down and rejecting good guys. It’s true that they’re way too many good and decent looking guys settling for hogs and/or plain-looking chicks in America today. Unbelievable. I suppose American guys who have never applied for a passport are to blame – They’re encouraging this behavior by going after these chicks in the first place.

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You never ever want to so much as talk to a fat chick as they will figure you are some pathetic loser or you wouldn’t have approached her in the first place. Sad, but true.

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They don’t know better. They’ve never been outside the US. I asked my gf here in Asia what girls thought when they visited America. They said they were surprised because there are lots of handsome tall guys and they didn’t see that many pretty girls. So many are overweight. It’s simple supply and demand. The US has a major shortage of attractive fit women so great guys are struggling to get even mediocre women. Flip the script and leave the US and it’s a whole new ballgame.

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????????Roosh and other experienced game men-
How many approaches have you done your entire career??????

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I’ve come to the conclusion that Roosh V is only in this for the attention. No intelligent persons can believe or subscribe to this ignorant, child-like, far-fetched crap. If you do believe it, then God help us all…

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Having read as many posts as I can stomach, I’m now convinced that Roosh V is just in it for the attention. He’s not in it to help brothas, he’s just in it for his own selfish, fame-whoring reasons. No one can really subscribe to this purile, ignorant, immature, unsubstantiated and unintelligent hogwash. If you do believe it, then God help us all…

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What I have always found interesting is the fact that if I am going out just to go out then nothing much really happens. If I go somewhere I don’t really care to go simply because it is nearby then it is more likely that someone or other will direct negativity my direction. If, on the other hand, I go out with the thought that I am going to get laid and I have a specific idea in mind of what I would like to do in bed with a new woman, it is pretty much a sure thing that a woman will be available and she will initiate exactly what I had in mind once we are together in bed. It is strange that it happens that way, but that is what happens. I am fortunate in that while I grew up being very shy, a lot of women were eager and aggressive about picking me up. When I was younger I was incredibly good looking and had a sense of fashion, I also worked out for hours daily. But my sense of confidence was non-existent, owing to the gang mentality, the conspiratorial nature of neighbors, who absolutely resented the fact that I was popular with girls. One day I caught my reflection in a tinted window, I was caught off guard and didn’t even recognize myself for a split second and my thought was that guy is well dressed and good looking to the point of being intimidating. I’d go out drinking, I had no game, I’d simply ask a woman if she were interested in having sex with me and they would always look very relieved that I asked them and they were always glad to accommodate me. Basically, 9 out of 10 women. But I didn’t get why they would want to be with me owing to all these guys trashing my self image from early on in life. After a drink or two, say a girl yawns in my face, I’d simply move her hand aside and kiss her mouth. Bingo. I guess I was a natural and still am. I have no problem picking up on girls from 19 and up. I am talking about less than half my age. But I now abstain from alcohol.

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Can betas learn to alpha?

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Difficult, but yes.

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Do the women in Eastern Europe give you as much trouble and attitude like American women (and I’m talking A to Z from your opening approach to girl friend and relationship)????

Is the bitch shield as high in Eastern Europe?

What are some of the better countries in EE?

My best guess is Romania, Serbia, Czech, and Ukraine. Maybe Russia but its huge and while they have some real talent some of their women are fugly. It’s hit or miss and never consistent with Rusky women.

I can’t stand American 6s who blow you out saying they have a boy friend. I remember a time when not many cared what a lame hb6 said but now all these thirsty dudes have raised these plain Janes smv at least 2 points in America.

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This is absolutely true, but with exceptions. Before the Berlin Wall came crashing down, I spent a year as a student living behind the Iron Curtain in a second-tier city. For all practical purposes, I was a “rock star”. I have no great prowess and would be considered average to slightly above average in looks, but I had enough game to get many of these 7+ university girls interested in me. Some of my other fellow Americans still had trouble scoring. They couldn’t bring themselves down a notch to connect fully with all these lovelies that we encountered. They were, sadly, outwitted by their beauty and the fact that they were dating above their pay grade. My advantage was that I was slightly older than most of them, had been around a bit, so they gravitated towards me because I was worldly and interesting, certainly more so than every local dude I ever met. Even my limited Western competition could barely keep up. But, the girls were not stupid, they were pragmatic to a fault and could tell the difference between the quality that existed within each of the foreigners. All in all it was a grand year with plenty of action. If you can ever get overseas, do not hesitant, especially to a country with limited access to foreigners. Sometimes, I really miss the Cold War.

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“All it takes is your commitment to go to a boring city and run day game for at least a couple weeks.”

You forgot to add “learn the local language”. At least in Asia, A girl in a third-tier city who hasn’t had significant contact with the Anglophones likely does not speak English very well.

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You can say that white chicks want to bang black men, but OkCupid found that white chicks are the least likely of any gender or race to respond to contacts from non-whites. On the other hand pretty much all other females of other races preferred white guys over males of their own race.

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That’s a cohort. Online chicks are looking for long term relationships–and yeah, by any metric, Caucasian guys win–we’re the workhorses for women.. When I go to clubs, African American guys are still winning. It’s all media driven.

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