The Future Mother Of Your Child Should Be A Virgin Who Believes In God

Six months after publishing 7 Things I Require In The Future Mother Of My Child, I wanted to make two minor adjustments that refine the list even further.

If you haven’t read the article yet, here’s the original seven points:

1. She must be between 18-25 years old
2. She must have less than three prior sexual partners, though I prefer a virgin
3. Her physical attractiveness should hover around the 7 range
4. Her skin tone should be within two shades of myself
5. She must be feminine
6. She must want to be a traditional stay-at-home mother
7. She must believe in a god

Stronger preference should be given to virgins

I’m increasing the importance on finding a virgin. Sluts will often share the myth that virgins are a bad mate to choose from because she will get curious and cheat on you, but the studies don’t at all bear this out (1, 2, 3, 4). If you are serious about creating a family with a girl, you should heavily weigh her virginal status, because it acts as an insurance policy—though not a guarantee—against impulsive female behavior.

Even if you have found a girl with a low notch count, there is the danger that a part of her heart is still set on another man from a previous relationship. Even though she is firmly in a relationship with you, dealing with an emotional widow will cause you problems down the line, especially since it’s common for a girl to keep “in touch” with exes.

It is ideal to have a girl who is clean both physically and emotionally, without any lingering baggage that can hurt your future family. Only a virgin can provide this.

A nominal belief in God is not enough

I thought that a girl believing in God was sufficient in having a girl with a strong moral code, but I have discovered that it is not. Your future wife must get beliefs and behavioral guidance from her book of worship. In other words, she must opt out of certain acts solely because God commanded her to.

There are millions of girls in Europe who “believe in God” but do drugs, lie, cheat, and have countless sexual partners. Don’t let her “spiritual but not religious” belief system fool you into thinking that she actually allows the word of God to tame her destructive female nature.

Unless a girl can tell you that she rejected a behavior because it went against God, she is lacking a moral code and will make decisions in the future which will cause harm to you and your children.

Beware of very beautiful women

I wanted to stress point number three on my original list that a girl should not be too beautiful. Now that the leftist anti-beauty cult has ravaged so many women into looking like disgusting beasts, the remaining beautiful women are getting unfathomable amounts of attention, more than legitimate female celebrities from a generation ago. The wolves will always be circling your beautiful girl, and while tight game can prevent her from straying, at least in the short-term, a non-virgin without a strict moral code will eventually succumb to the call of excitement and novel pleasure. She is human, after all.

I’ve come to learn that even in medium-sized cities, a girl of high beauty is hit on constantly and persistently by a replenishing supply of players and orbiters. Short of moving to a little village or locking her into a dungeon, there isn’t much you can do to prevent it. The more beautiful your girl, the more you’ll have to trust her, but this is close to impossible if she has a loose past and a lack of morals.

Conclusion

It may be obvious to you that I’ve thought about having kids. My focus is not so much on her aesthetics or token behaviors but her history and values. The problem is that very few women have values that exceed even prostitutes of old, especially in the West where the dominating institutions are helping shove slime and rot into her very core. If you meet a girl who hits all seven items on my list, you potentially have a great mom on your hands.

Read Next: The United States Of Broken Women

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Good points, though i think guys are going to naturally have a hard time with the last one lol. Its a SMV reality though, the hotter she is, the more access there is for her to cheat, by guys just popping up.

I have a french gal who is one of my college friends and very beautiful (grew up in a small village etc), we did a group skype chat with all of us, and i shit you not during the call she got hit on OUTSIDE HER BEDROOM WINDOW by a guy, because it was a sunny day and she had it open.

Literally someone probably heard the french accent noticed how hot she was and started talking to her, that she had to very politely dismiss.

I still think many newly red pilled men still do not realise just the extent to which high value women get hit on, its kind of astonishing

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There was some social media app I was using for a while, that let you see how many girls were “liked” by dudes. It was absolutely sickening to see fat 6es with over 1,000 fans in a small town of like 30,000. I can only imagine what attention an attractive woman receives. Thirst is out of control and guys are all chasing the same top 5% of women.

In order to meet a virgin in the west, you must marry her young, almost certainly in her teenage years. I don’t have a problem with that per se, but the social shaming and the difficulty in meeting and dating these types of women if you are considerably older makes it very hard. Whereas in traditional countries like Latin America and Asia your age works in your favor, as you are seen as a stronger, mature provider than some 20 year old kid with a community college degree.

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Yup. In the west, people despise the notion of a man being anything more than 4 or 5 years older than his bride.

In Latin America or Southeast Asia the spread can go up to more like 15, which is the way I would intent to go, “if” I ever get married.

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And she has no problem with me being 12 years older than she is. She likes it actually …

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Hubris Cumberbatch, I have found exactly the woman described by Roosh. But I don’t want to have kids because:
1.I don’t want to create and raise my replacements
2.I prefer that immortality is discovered, so that we can chill
What do you think about my predicament ?

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what was the app? sounds very sobering

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Actually I’ve scored a number of lays off it, both domestically and abroad, and it’s the only site that’s worked well for me (I won’t do tinder) and it’s kind of greedy of me but I don’t want it to get ruined by announcing it publicly on a PUA site. It’s not one of the major apps, but if you just search on the app store for some social meeting apps, try a few. It’s not labeled a dating app per se, but just a way to find friends. Also, some friends like OKCupid, although I only see fatties and single moms on there.

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this isnt a pua site lol, but fair enough. is it on android or the istore?

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If I could tell you in a PM I would. It’s on the istore and it’s a blue icon on a white background smile

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awesome thanks fella!

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Good luck, So far all the bangs off there have been foreigners (exchange students in US and locals when I’m travelling). Most of the local American chicks on there are just old or unattractive. I was talking to a hot 19 year old white chick but I didn’t get her actual number fast enough and move the conversation off the app. Like I said, girls are getting bombarded with dozens of messages a day, so you must isolate them quickly. It’s the equivalent of getting them away from the bar and into a quiet corner or different venue.

I now have 2 strategies. One for local sluts–get number ASAP, line up date, go for bang. One for girls abroad, mass message some, maintain some basic rapport with them over a few weeks before you visit, much more likely to result in The Girlfriend Experience.

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i was reading some reviews and they said a lot of random nigerians apparently use the service to troll with fake profiles, is that true?

Will definitely consider using when abroad though smile

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Every social media service I’ve ever seen is full of fakes. I saw a youtube the other day about how if you pay facebook for “likes” they pay these people in third world countries to click “like” on your site–of course they will never be customers and don’t even live near your business so it’s a complete scam, and it’s all done by facebook itself. So yeah, beware. That being said, I’ve never chatted to fake African trolls.
My M.O. is I talk to 2-3 girls in a country I’m about to visit, do some video chats with them and stuff before hand, already start a mini relationship so that when you arrive they aren’t hopping in bed with a total stranger. Hell, I enjoy the Total GF Experience just as much as the sex part… these ladies treat you like men are supposed to be treated.

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Spicy Ninja Nutsack of Hanzo the razor,
I have found the girl of Roosh’s dreams but I am unwilling to impregnate her, because :
1.I don’t want to create and raise my replacements
2.I would prefer that immortality were found, so that I can chill
What do you think about my predicament ?

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Womens sole purpose is to be inseminated and give birth to her mans children. That is why she was put on this earth.

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Why man was put on this earth?

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I was having a talk with a colleague/friend here in China and he was saying that it is actually quite unusual to have a big age discrepancy. To really have access to the 18-22 market here you have to be under 30 and speak the language to get in on the ground floor.
As a man in his 40s whose Chinese sucks, the market is made up of women about 30 years old who have been through two or three relationships. No virgins are to be found, but no raging skanks either. I had a couple of dates with an 18 year old, and that was completely surreal, but ultimately did not go anywhere.

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Guys I have found a woman like that, who matches that proposed by Roosh profile 100%. BUT I don’t want to have kids, because :
1.I don’t want to create and raise my replacements.
2,I would prefer that those scientists finally find immortality, so we can chill

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accept death and never forget it can happen at any time. people chasing immortality are fools. the most you can rely on after your death is your legacy, your kids and who you helped. and even then it doesn’t last too long.

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What is your opinion on my predicament ?

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If you marry her, knock her up quickly.

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You got a French chick? Nice

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You’re old and in an old thread.

I didn’t ‘get’ a French chick. Shes my friend.

But judging from your spray of comments you’re either playing fem troll or you’re an actual one which is just more curiosity inducing.

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I’m an old fem troll, who loves men and believes in equal rights. And I also like old threads. I even like old music, like the Beatles.

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I’m an old fem troll who loves men and believes in equal rights. I also like old threads. I even like old music, like the Beatles.

Edit: I wish that the mass populous thought I was old, so I would have been able to rent a car sooner.. because honestly, mine sucks. Really badly. I can freely admit this.

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And senior citizen discounts would be spectacular. But I don’t feel I’ve earned the right to that discount. I have a lot of learning to do.

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I tried to be nice in my reply. But I thought about it:

By the way, on a more serious note, I feel like half the dudes on here get rejected so much- not only because of their limiting toxic views that take any individuality and identify away from women and men, but because they’re just dicks.

Because of this, they place age limits on women, and come up with crazy reasons why they have to travel to date women. I don’t know you, but if you’re not like this, it’s safe to say someone else on here is.

Saying a 25 year old man or woman, who was in high school 7 years ago, probably when you were already a grown ass man, and who is barely legal to rent a car, is old, is completely crazy and bitter.

Also, you act like aging is a shameful thing, and disregard the respect we should give older people.

There’s nothing wrong with wanting to only date people barely out of high school or college, but being straight up illogical and disrespecting old people, and a whole group of women who probably just didn’t want to date you is ridiculous. Also, it’s disrespectful to my dear 18- 24 year old friends who have the right to individuality and not to be baby making meat.

Also, not everyone who meets and falls in love with a woman over 30 is a beta. People fall in love.

But FYI, it was actually because you’re a limiting dickhead who doesn’t see people as humans with their own rights.

Duh.

Not wasting my time on this any longer. Good luck to you.

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I agree with most of your points but the “she must believe in a god” one is kind of excessive and the “beware of the very beautiful women” one shows insecurity.

With regards to the first, I am an agnostic, but I do respect religions. That said, extreme attachment to a religion is a sign of lack of intellect and this will seriously create friction within your relationship.

With regards to the second, if she is around the 7 range it means that while she gets older, she will fluctuate between a 4 and a 6. That will inevitably result to a loss of attraction. 8-9 is what you need to aim at and make sure that you constantly communicate to her that you are the best available option out there. Hot women can be easily influenced if you know how to control the frame.

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Not every religious person I know is brilliant, and not every idiot I know is an atheist, but as a rule: nearly every really good thinker I know (and I’ve encountered many) is fairly- or deeply-religious. Every atheist I know – without exception (and I’ve encountered a lot) – is a [email protected]$$. There may be exceptions, but neither personal experience nor observations in our culture have given me any reason to doubt the truth of Psalms 14:1: The fool has said in his heart, “There is no God.”

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The smartest atheists in the popular media often have some of theirs views hidden or blocked to keep the general atheist population dumbed down. Hitchens was pro-life. Sam Harris and Dawkins are very negative on Islam while admitting that Christianity has superior traits.

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Sam Harris practices Buddhist meditation religiously. Dawkins respects Vedanta and other Indian/Hindu dharma systems.

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clinging to an atheists are smarter myth is all that gives most of them any sense that they have inherent value. without claiming they are the smartest around they would have to acknowledge that they are simply empty vessels taking up space and contributing little to the world around them.

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There are truly intellectual atheists out there, like Umberto Eco and Arthur C. Clarke. One thing I notice about them is that they have a deep understanding of religious belief and the sources of faith and are capable of respecting it, rather than childishly deriding it as “believing in an invisible friend in the sky.”

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There’s massive amounts of research demonstrating that religiosity has a strong inverse correlation with both intelligence and total years of education. Do you understand what that means?

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The only position is Agnosticism.

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I understand quite well (apparently better than you do). It means that the longer a person is indoctrinated in a certain belief system, the more likely he/she is to believe it.

When schools start acknowledging the weaknesses of the atheist/naturalist position, then we can talk. As a Christian I had contrary views shoved down my throat for the 19 years I was in school from my first day of kindergarten to the last day of my master’s program. I know the atheist side far better than most atheists do, because I scrutinized it rather than accepting it as a matter of faith like atheists do. I did something the vast majority don’t do: I weighed the evidence from BOTH sides based on their own arguments. A person cannot consider him/herself educated on a topic unless he/she has heard from the other side in their own words (not just what your side says about the other side). The average atheist/naturalist has been taught atheism/naturalism as if it was Holy Writ, and has never even been told that it has huge gaps and weaknesses, much less what those gaps and weaknesses are. No wonder “educated” people believe what they’re told what to believe.

By the way, take a look at what goes on in colleges today, and tell me another one about what “intelligent and educated” people believe.

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it seems your research ignore the hundreds of scientist and inventors that created our modern world and were openly religious or had a belief in a supernatural power, even without belonging to a religion. Besides, how can your research be taken seriously if the average atheist is a tumblerina?

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your scientists and inventors may have created “things” in our modern world, but they did not create the modern world, or the old one, for that matter…….air, sun, sea and land cannot certainly be credited to humans

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‘religiosity’ is not a word

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It actually is bro…

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very well said, sir

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7,8,9..doesnt matter, once they hit the wall, they all drop to 1

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and the former 9’s become the most depressive. Because they finally realize all the attention, all the party invites, all the excuses for her cunty behavior, all the paid for dinners and drinks, all the free holiday invitations from well-to-do men, had to do with the fact they were just a hot piece of ass.

Nobody really gave a flying fuck about them and they secretly despised her as such. And now even all those illusions are gone as those same men are chasing the new generation of 23-year-olds.

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Sometimes I wonder if women have the ability to think years ahead…it’s pretty obvious what is going to happen, all they have to do is take a look at any wall victim.

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And once you ‘hit the wall’ you won’t be able to get it up anyway, even with a 10. I have found that daily preparation of quality food is more important than sex with my wife. Our kids are in college, and her $100K input per year trumps any orgasms I might be experiencing. I am retired, and live on investments, but I work as hard on my property as I ever did for someone else. My wife was a 27 year old virgin when we met in church, and I was barely more experienced, so I guess it worked out OK. I am devoted to her in so many other ways. One day, maybe societal collapse will require me to become sexually active again ‘for the good of the species’, and its survival. I better stay in shape, because I might just have to bite that bullet with some young hardbodies.

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When did you lose the ability to have sex every day of the week ?
And when did that turn to a couple of times a week ?
And when to 1 time a week ? …
And when did you lose it ?

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You will stay confused until you grow up, or die by starvation, whichever one comes first. My money will be on you starving to death, GenX. I will still be able to perform when you grow up.

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Robert, totally humiliating you would be an easy thing to do. After all, you can’t get it up, while I sport an 8” erection.

BUT … The issue is “Change”.
You need to understand, that the reason you ‘re impotent now, is because you didn’t invest or pushed society to invest in DNA research; research which would have provided solutions to your impotence.
IT IS NEVER TOO LATE !!! Start investing NOW in aging research.

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8 inches eh? You might want to visit your neighbourhood bathhouse.

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Rob you ‘re contradicting yourself, because impotent rage has taken hold of you.
You say : “I have found that daily preparation of quality food is more important than sex with my wife” = you have no sex drive left
You also say : “will require me to become sexually active again” = which implies that currently you ‘re not …

REMEMBER to send a donation to these institutions that study DNA …

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You are confused, because you cannot read well. It is my wife that is all out of energy. Creole cooking makes up for keeping my marriage vows, at least until a new patriarchal morality kicks in. As in college, when I was a sperm donor for money, I will ‘take one for the Gipper’, and share my genetic code with confused GenX bimbeaux, as their female clocks start running fast. You won’t be able to provide for the tribe, and fall to Beta male status.

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It’s a deliberate tradeoff either way. You have to choose either the “highs” of new partners, or the warmth and closeness of a long term wife.

For me I’ve made the deliberate choice to get married to someone who is a natural housewife because it covers all of my basic emotional and physical needs….and I can dedicate most of the rest of my energy to achieving success in other areas I’ve deemed important.

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Sperm donars have an age requirement and you’ve already aged out decades ago. Keep cookin’!

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for what it’s worth, mr robert, i have noticed, at different times in many of these conversations, how many wannabes set their hair on fire when confronted with true alpha male behavior……as for me? you’re preaching to the choir…..no need to defend yourself here

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Keep in mind that a “10” is hardly a flat, fixed number. There’s a lot of average looking girls out there who know how to market themselves as “hot” at the club, and I’ve also run into some extremely good looking women who don’t generally do it and you’d dismiss as average….until you see them all dressed up for a formal event.

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Roosh, please write a follow up to ‘Free Speech’, and let these little boys understand that I stood up for their right to such long before they could speak at all. What I read in responses here are the musings of erect penile tissue. “You can’t get it up”, “My dick is bigger than yours”, “you are no longer fertile”. These are all simply a puerile rhetoric, excuses for breaking the Mosaic commandment to ‘honor thy father and mother’. It takes a grownup to marry a virgin these days, and the great majority of you millennial bantam cocks will never find one to share honor with.

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“With regards to the second, if she is around the 7 range it means that while she gets older, she will fluctuate between a 4 and a 6.”

Look up “wife goggles”.

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Why do you want a woman with high intellect? Have you ever met a woman with high intellect who possesses logic and can be intellectually stimulating to talk to? Is this what you seek in a life partner?

No way in hell I would wife up an 8 or higher. That’s just asking to be divorce raped at some point in the future, and I don’t want to be babysitting her 24/7. A solid 6.5-7.5 who remains thin and feminine, and most importantly behaves in a loving, caring, nurturing, submissive way, is far more attractive to me. If you want to wife up supermodels, go for it, and let us know how that works out in 10 years. One could write a whole article on why LTR or marriage with a very attractive woman is bad, but I’ll name a few: high maintenance, needy, demanding, will want lots of money to maintain her appearance and lifestyle (makeup, a nice car, designer clothes, etc.–all stuff I disagree with on principle), narcissistic, shallow, and when her looks fade you will have lost a lot more than if you married a pleasant, kind, thin loving wife that was and still is attractive.

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I’ve met a few, very few, women I’d consider true intellectuals. None were American, all were communists.

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Sure a solid 6-7 who’s a 9-10 in bed, I wouldn’t mind

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You are conflating beauty with high intellect. They rarely come together.

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You could kill two birds with one stone by finding a girl that actually values her virginity, but isn’t that the ostensible “unicorn” these days?

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You’re not going to find her in America or Europe. That’s certain.

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I’m with elves on that one. I came of age in the 1980s, and screwing around was even more common then than it is now. (Link to CDC data http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db209.htm). I was routinely told that I would never find anyone to meet my “unrealistic” standard of being a virgin. They were wrong then and they’re even more wrong now. I know several marriage-age women who were virgins in my generation and those that followed. I know a few of them now. That’s not to say that your average bride has a notch count of zero, but quite a few do. Of course that ALONE is not sufficient to make a women wife-material, and some of them are unsuitable for other reasons – but they ARE out there. (That doesn’t fix the problems of marriage 2.0, of course… my point is that virgins in the marriage market are not as rare as unicorns).

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I HAVE found her !
Please read above the long text which I have posted about the girl that I have found, who is the ideal girl for marriage according to Roosh, and give me your opinion with regard to my predicament.

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I would like your opinion on my predicament :
I have found a girl that hits all of Roosh’s points.
However I don’t want too have kids with her because :
1.I don’t want to create and raise my replacements
2.I would prefer that immortality were found,so we could all chill.
What do you think about my situation ?

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Bluntly. You are wasting her time. Dont be an asshole. Let her find a guy who will raise a family with her. Seriously, why do you think she’s holding out for marraige?

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How old are you? Why do you ask an opinion of people here you don’t know.
If you don’t love her why to be with her?

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What do I think?
You are insecure.

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And still have to watch out for the “everything but” virgins. The girls who somehow made it through college without giving it up so they decide to just hold out for marriage. But as a consolation, they have oral and anal sex every other weekend

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I once briefly dated a Christian girl who had never given up her pussy but had sucked off fifteen guys before me. Pretty big * beside that “saved myself for marriage” claim, I’d say.

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that 15 cocks stare…

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Yeah.. the anti-Christian smear brigade.. the little talmudists are everywhere.

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Heh. Is the implication that I’m Jewish? I’d always heard of such things but never experienced it in real life, so I might not have believed it before either. To be honest her denomination was very liberal, with gay clergy and whatnot, but she was definitely Christian.

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The implication is that you are also an @ssh0le, but hey, this whole site is a sewer, so it doesn’t really matter.
Why would a girl, any girl, pleasure so many stinky guys without even getting anything in return ? Think about it when you make up stories.

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It would behoove you to learn how sexual attraction between human beings actually works. It’s not pleasant, and you can choose to ignore reality, but you can’t choose to ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.

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Prostitution has nothing to do with sexual attraction, and bragging has nothing to do with real life. Cheers.

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Who said anything about prostitution? I loathe prostitution. First I’m Jewish, now this?

My advice about learning how sexual attraction works stands. You’re in for a world of hurt if you continue in your delusions. I speak from personal experience.

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For a whole lot of reasons. Among the biggest reason is sexual exploration and validation from high status men.

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BS. That’s not sexual exploration, it’s prostitution . No woman in her right mind would do that. It’s just a myth invented by [email protected]
“High status men” ?
Oh, please.. 15 stinky dicks is 15 stinky dicks.
Only the losers on this site can believe in this kind of crap. Maybe if they behaved more like human beings they would be able to get a woman in real life.

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Evidence?

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Shmal Dik, I have found the kind of girl that Roosh talks about. However, I do not want to have kids with her. The reason being that I do not want to create and raise my replacements. I would much rather be immortal and chill.I think the scientists have a shot at making it happen.
What do you think about my situation ?

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The proof is in the pudding.
Edit: Your own comments show that you are one of them.

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Bendy I have found a girl exactly as Roosh describer her, but I have no interest in having kids with her because :
I would much rather prefer that immortality were found so I can chill forever
I don’t want to create and raise anyone.
What do you think of my predicament ?

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Son, trolls are no earthly good whatsoever, and there are already legions of them; but.. what the heck – go forth and multiply yourself.

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Your problem is that if you actually want a virgin girl who follows religious teaching, she would never marry you, just to be honest. Fornicators deserve fornicators. This post is the pinnacle of hypocrisy. Are you going to convert to Islam? Christianity? Will you renounce your past or continue to make money on your Bang books? You have lived Haram and have promoted Haram, and now you think you deserve purity. Wake up.

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Very true. When I was dating my wife and it was clearly moving toward marriage, she asked me about my n-count. I told her it was zero (for religious reasons… not for lack of opportunity). I asked her the question back, and her answer was the same. We’ve been married for 28 years. If I had told her that I had dozens of conquests and had written books about banging sluts that would have been the end of the relationship immediately. Smart, pretty, pure, girls aren’t interested in players, and can see right through them.

[Edit. Before anyone says I got played, I have two words: bloody sheets.]

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Bloody sheets? All I’m thinking is period blood and it’s making me feel sick

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“Smart, pretty, pure, girls aren’t interested in players, and can see right through them.”

LOL. With pronouncements like that, I not surprised at the zero notch count.

This sort of ultra-uxorious sentimentalism is one of the worst qualities of modern America and the Anglo-West. It’s exactly why women are… as they are… today: masochistic enabling (usually Churchian or Progressivist) pedestalizers.

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If you think there aren’t non-slut women out there who can see through “game” like a plate glass window, you haven’t been paying attention. Even the biggest game-slinger gurus admit it’s a numbers game, with dozens, or even hundreds of approaches for every “bang.”

“Game” concentrates the parts of masculinity that women react to most readily. But if you have the whole package, why settle for a subset?

[Edited to fix an inadvertent double-negative]

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Attention Officer,
I have found the girl that Roosh talks about, BUT I don’t want to have kids with her. Why ? :
1.I don’t want to create and raise my replacements
2.I am waiting for the scientists to discover immortality so I can chill forever.
What do you think of my predicament ?

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What do I think of your predicament? I’m sorry to say that I think you’re probably screwed (unless your girl is okay with not having kids, absent which your desire to remain child-free is likely to be a deal-breaker for her). My wife and I were child-free before it was cool (she’s barren anyway, as it turned out, so the point was moot), so everything turned out fine for me/us. That said, a married man with children is living his life under a legal and cultural Sword of Damocles and handing his wife a pair of scissors. About 1/3 of them will use them (based on the fact that about half of all marriages end in divorce and the wife is the one who pulls the plug most of the time). A childless husband has a lot less to lose, which means a childless wife has much less leverage over him.

My point to all this was NOT to say that Marriage 2.0 is a good bet if you find a girl who checks all the blocks – even if she’s okay not having kids. Marriage 2.0 is nuts, but right now it’s the law of the land. The question is, “Is this girl worth the risk?” I think Roosh is saying that unless she meets all the criteria he listed the answer is, “No.” I agree… and my list is even more tight than his is. If she does meet all the criteria and you determine she’s worth the risk… “caveat emptor.”

Then again I’ve been married for 28 years. That means two things: 1) the data I have that comes from PERSONAL experience is dated (although female nature hasn’t changed one whit). One the other hand: 2) I’ve successfully been around the block a lot more times the average guy who comments here. Which of those two factors you think is more relevant is up to you.

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>:( you lied to your beloved wife, you piece of shit! (to be fair, she probably lied to you about her head count, too. lmao)

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I can see why someone would lie about his/her n-count to a prospective spouse, but why would I lie HERE about it? That makes no sense at all. Anyway, it’s not like a poor farm-girl in the 1980’s could have gotten hymen-reconstruction surgery (the procedure didn’t even exist back then).

Can’t fake THAT.

With few exceptions:
No hymen, no diamond – Popped cherry, don’t marry.

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I’m talking about how both you and your wife were embarrassed about how many people the two of you had sex with before you were married.

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Reading is fundamental. I know my n-count was zero (and I know it wasn’t due to lack of opportunity), and an intact hymen means that I also know that hers was also zero (also not due to lack of opportunity). I’m not sure why that is so hard for some people to comprehend. Some people actually live by their principles.

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but you admitted to lying to her first, so why wouldn’t your wife do the same?

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When did I admit to lying to her? Do you have me confused with a different commenter?

Edit. Obviously I know my what my n-count was (I was celibate). Also, I know she was n=0, because an intact hymen doesn’t lie.

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you heard about hymen surgery? also its a dumb symbol.

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FYI, 10% women were born without hymen and 30% women have elastic hymen, so this kind of hymen can’t get popped up easily (in some cases in the hospital i’ve workedin, the hymen was popped while giving birth) and will not have bloody sheets during the wedding night.
But you can make difference between real virgin girls and fake ones, along with real rape victims and fake ones.
Real virgin girls naturally feel shy to get naked at front of a man, and she will fidget (now you have to learn to recognize the real and fake fidgeting). But first sex is usually painful for women, with
About real rape victims (especially virgins) they are so reluctant to open the clothes and legs at front of the doctor during visum et repertum process (and they do fidget) maybe because of the trauma, while the fake victims would just open the clothes and their legs very fast to make the process faster.

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I won’t start a family with a girl who doesn’t meet my standards. I can die “alone,” it’s okay.

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sad

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Yeah, I feel pretty bad for Roosh for a lot of reasons.

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I’m perfectly fine dying “alone” and just mildly disappointed that I didn’t have a wife or children, rather than marrying a 30 notch count pre-30 year old where I may eventually get divorce raped and watch my 1 or 2 children turn into tattoo and media-zombie degenerates from relentless cultural marxism.

Not to mention being pressured into paying for a daughters useless university degree while she get’s double teamed by the Football team’s running back and defensive lineman.

Find that unicorn, or just keep enjoying the bachelor life and your hobbies, banging Tinder sluts, traveling, or whatever floats your boat. Don’t settle for a disaster waiting to happen

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Same here. I’m only 32 and I’m still operating under the assumption that I might still get married and have children, which I wouldn’t mind very much. However, after a disastrous engagement which took years and energy out of my life, I’ve been single for four years. Admittedly, the first two was to get my finances and my “emotions” back in working order. Now I’m getting back into my more mellow lifestyle, getting back into my hobbies, trying to relearn how to play piano again, trying new cooking recipes, learning carpentry, etc. Now, basically, I’ve made a pact with myself: I I don’t marry by age 40, I’m getting a vasectomy.

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As much as I feel what you’re saying, the point you guys are missing is what having children and being a father brings to your life. Yes, there risks but, nothing in the world is better than having a fullsome relationship with YOUR children.

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That is indeed a bleak scenario..

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It’s just a natural reaction to the very poor options were are presented with. I’d wish things could be better, but I’m not voluntarily walking towards a mediocre marriage, corrupted kids, and a financial time-bomb.

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I completely understand you.

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The question is are you capable of and willing to pay the price to get your prize? A devout Christian woman will accept no less than a Christian man who really believes in God (who not merely sees Christianity as a useful social behavior regulator), and derives his conduct from his faith in God’s word, to be the leader of her hearth and home. Can you actually come to believe in something you don’t really believe in right now, only cause that belief is a useful means for you (to get a devout young virginal wife)? Do you see the problem now Roosh, and the mental gymnastics it entails?

Not to mention having to completely change your life to not make your income from books promoting bangs and find another calling.

If you can’t do the aforementioned minimum, then in this matter, regardless of your other virtues, you are no different from the entitled Anglo woman with her perfect man laundry list who isn’t willing to change herself to be within striking distance of that ideal partner.

Which path is yours then – the iron price or forgoing marriage?

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Disagree regarding the devout Christian woman bit.

I have a friend who is a full on evangelical Christian, literally believes the text as is, goes every Sunday, has that holy vibe about her, doesn’t curse, very polite etc.
Her long term boyfriend is an agnostic jew.

And when I say she is devout I mean it, in every respect she’s very religious. She did start getting him to eat ham which made me awkwardly laugh.

Just because a woman is religious does not mean she can’t follow her heart. And if a guy stimulates that aspect of her, she can keep her faith and he gets a great woman. Though presumably the kids would have to be religious

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This is going to sound a little “No True Scotsman”-like, but bear with me and I’ll explain why it’s not. Evangelical Christianity (Bible-based) has a lot to say about marriage. There are two things that mitigate against your characterization that she’s as devout as she appears IF SHE MARRIES HIM. The first is that the wife is under the authority of her husband, and she cannot submit to a man who isn’t a Christian in that area (see 1 Corinthians 14). The second is found in 2 Corinthians 6:14 which states that Christians are not to be “unequally yoked” with unbelievers, and that includes marriage (there are exceptions made in 1 Corinthians 7 if one member of an unbelieving couple becomes a Christian AFTER they are already married). The act of going into marriage to a non-Christian is simply forbidden to Christians of either sex. Obviously I don’t know these people, but it may be that the reason he’s a “long-term boyfriend” rather than a “husband” is because she knows she can’t marry him (speculation on my part, but it fits a pattern).

In any case: she’s playing with fire.

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It’s not at all difficult to convert to any church.

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(Note: I’m not shouting by using caps – there’s just no way to italicize in this format to show that I’m stressing those phrases.)

There are three different things to consider. One can CLAIM TO BE A CONVERT to a religion simply by saying the words… that’s easy, and one can then begin attending the religious observances of that religion. JOINING A CHURCH usually requires some action before one is accepted into membership… that can take months in some cases, and often requires some sort of catechism classes and a public profession of faith. CONVERTING TO A NEW RELIGION is a level far beyond that, since that means BOTH actually accepting the truth claims of the new religion AND rearranging one’s life to conform to those beliefs.

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Yeah, but it’s not hard, only time consuming. I mean, I’d convert to Amish in a flash for the right girl. It doesn’t mean a lot of changes wouldn’t have to be made, but it’s do-able.

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For most believing women in love, the most important part is the last of the above: “rearranging one’s life to conform to those beliefs.”

Of the things to consider, physically going to Church with the woman, and later the children, is most often enough. Our Christian family goes with other families to a week long camp and a couple of the men are non-believers, but by acting as believers act, and supporting the church going, they satisfy the belief needs of the women.

Insofar as “God is Good”, it is actually difficult to believe consistently in “Good & Evil” without some kind of belief in God.

The key belief for a good marriage is faithfulness — be an alpha male yet not cheat on your wife. Then you can have a happy wife, a happy marriage (WITH other problems, often including money), and pretty good kids.

My own trick when seeing a hot babe — quick fantasy with her, then switch the fantasy to star my wife as the object. It does help that she’s still hot; which was a good thing 22 years ago that she was 13 years younger.

Perhaps Married Man Sex Life is a better site for these ideas than an alpha-male Pick Up Artist site, where the goal is to be a successful womanizer. (Or a wannabee womanizer.)

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Convert to CHRIST not the “church” sir. Amen.
~ Sincerely,
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Only if I’m given incentive in the form of fertile wombs. Hell, I’d convert to Allah for enough brides!

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Wrong *self-serving* mindset sir… Heart’s not in the right place. Amen.

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Cock’s in the right place, though…

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Little Red Corvette,
I have found the type of girl Roosh is talking about. However I am not interested in having kids with her, or with any other woman for that matter. Why ? :
1.I do not want to create and raise my replacements
2.I am hoping the scientists discover immortality so I can chill forever …

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You want reproductive failure and a miracle “cure” for the purpose of being alive. How is this relevant? It’s a little dumb…

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What do you think about my predicament ?

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What predicament where?

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No need to share the “condition” of your genitals sir. No homo. AMEN!

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What do YOU think about my situation ? . . . read above

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Hello sir… I’m not sure where you may have commented earlier or what you’re trying to ask me but God-willing, if I find your comment I’ll give you the best response I can.
Hope you are doing okay. Amen.
~ Sincerely,
Bro. Jed

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If she was so devout she would not be sleeping with anyone before marriage in the first place, so what are you even talking about pal.

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who said she was sleeping with him? i said he was her boyfriend

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If she’s Christia she will forgive you, if you ask for forgiveness. Jesus taught her that.
Jesus also taught the people of Europe to take invaders in …

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Are you willing to convert to Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Sikhism, Hinduism or any other religion and strictly follow its tenents in order to get that wife, Roosh? Is not, why not?

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You never actually had much of a chance of starting a family to begin with. It is like an obese 40 year old woman saying she does not need a man, who does not meet her ludicrous “standards”. Pathetic.

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It is like saying that sinners can be saved. What kind of a fuck up would do that ? Oh yeah, your Lord and Savior Jesus. Do you believe in God ?
If you do, you ‘re contradicting yourself.

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For your word’s sake perhaps you can “die alone” without having a wife and family…
Even so, you’re just wanting it “all your way” and not in the mindset of actual MARRIAGE. Can’t have it your way? You don’t want it. Period. AMEN.
~ Sincerely,
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Please Roosh read my post about the girl I have found who fits the description of the ideal girl perfectly. I would like to add that I am 12 years her senior, and that she not only has no problem with that but she likes it. Please feel free to ask any questions you would like to ask. I am looking for opinions on my predicament.
Thank you

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Dear Roosh,
I have found EXACTLY the type of girl you ‘re talking about.
However I do not wish to have a family with her. The reason ?
1.I do not want to create and raise my replacements.
2.I hate being replaced. I am hoping that immortality is discovered so I can chill forever.
What do you think about my predicament ?

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What are your standards?
Can you meet woman’s standards? Or.. What can you offer to woman as a man?

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I’d like you to die alone, the sooner the better in fact 😊 There are some relatively painless suicide methods out there, you should definitely Google!

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Exactly!

There are already enough unhappy relationships out there, why create another one?

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Marrying is half your deen. My advice, for what it’s worth, settle well, if necessary.

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A slight issue with this: women who are virgins do have attraction for a man who has some experience, as long as the partner count is fairly low and they were LTRs. If you’re a male virgin, especially past age 25 or so, you risk being viewed as the “loser who couldn’t get laid”, whether or not that was really the case, and the virginal unicorn will be inclined to hold out for someone more “exciting.”

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What do YOU think about my situation ? . . . read above
I would like to add here, that this woman has addressed the fact that we do not have sex, and showed some kind of understanding if I were to have some other woman for sex (which I do of course).
She stated however with some complain, that she “would like to be the only one”.

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I think your situation is AWESOME Confused GenXer! Keep doin’ you, man. Keep doin’ you!

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There’s different rules for men and women because we are different. It is just the way of things. Don’t let feminism fool you.

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Yes there are different rules, but the same general morality applies. If she is a devout religious person, she would understand that a man has a right to take more than one wife, and she would understand that this same right does not apply to her. However, a man who takes a second wife must do so in the prescribed way. I’m not fooled by feminism. I think you might be fooled by hedonism.

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I dunno. I never saw the point of chasing pussy like a Gambian tourist (God bless their horny hearts). Way too much time wasted, way to many hangovers.

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“I never saw the point of chasing pussy like a Gambian tourist”

You mean the American, Canadian and Northern European women who do sex tourism in Gambia?

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I’m not sure, what is your point ? It sounds like you are mad at something but I can’t figure out what.

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Agree with many of your earlier points HOWEVER under the New Testament Laws of CHRIST a Christian man can marry only ONE WIFE in his life and can ONLY REMARRY again if his wife dies sometime in their marriage.
THAT’S biblical. THAT’S TRUTH. Amen.
~ Sincerely,
Bro. Jed

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“under the New Testament Laws of CHRIST a Christian man can marry only
ONE WIFE in his life and can ONLY REMARRY again if his wife dies
sometime in their marriage.”

— Citation needed (quoted from the New Testament, obviously). —

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Yeah, sure if you want. It’s true that a man/woman can marry only ONE PARTNER and CANNOT marry multiple partners.

A husband/wife can ONLY REMARRY if his/her spouse dies in the duration of their marriage. Whether the husband and wife are separated or *divorced* they cannot “marry another” person because it becomes ADULTERY.

Only and ONLY if said husband/wife’s spouse dies in the marriage can that husband/wife be granted liberty to choose to marry someone else; but only a fellow Christian if the husband/wife was a believer to begin with.

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KJV 1 Corinthians 7,

{7:1} Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto
me: [It is] good for a man not to touch a woman. {7:2}
Nevertheless, [to avoid] fornication, let every man have his
own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
{7:3} Let the husband render unto the wife due
benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.
{7:4} The wife hath not power of her own body, but the
husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of
his own body, but the wife. {7:5} Defraud ye not one the
other, except [it be] with consent for a time, that ye may
give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together
again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency. {7:6}
But I speak this by permission, [and] not of commandment.
{7:7} For I would that all men were even as I myself. But
every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this
manner, and another after that.
{7:8} I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is
good for them if they abide even as I. {7:9} But if they
cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than
to burn. {7:10} And unto the married I command, [yet] not
I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from [her] husband:
{7:11} But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or
be reconciled to [her] husband: and let not the husband put
away [his] wife. {7:12} But to the rest speak I, not the Lord:
If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be
pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. {7:13}
And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not,
and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.
{7:14} For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the
wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband:
else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
{7:15} But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A
brother or a sister is not under bondage in such [cases:] but
God hath called us to peace. {7:16} For what knowest thou,
O wife, whether thou shalt save [thy] husband? or how
knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save [thy] wife?
{7:17} But as God hath distributed to every man, as the
Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I
in all churches. {7:18} Is any man called being
circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any
called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.
{7:19} Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is
nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
{7:20} Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he
was called. {7:21} Art thou called [being] a servant? care
not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use [it] rather.
{7:22} For he that is called in the Lord, [being] a servant, is
the Lord’s freeman: likewise also he that is called, [being]
free, is Christ’s servant. {7:23} Ye are bought with a price;
be not ye the servants of men. {7:24} Brethren, let every
man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God.
{7:25} Now concerning virgins I have no commandment
of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath
obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful. {7:26} I suppose
therefore that this is good for the present distress, [I say,]
that [it is] good for a man so to be. {7:27} Art thou bound
unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a
wife? seek not a wife. {7:28} But and if thou marry, thou
hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned.
Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare
you. {7:29} But this I say, brethren, the time [is] short: it
remaineth, that both they that have wives be as though they
had none; {7:30} And they that weep, as though they wept
not; and they that rejoice, as though they rejoiced not; and
they that buy, as though they possessed not; {7:31} And
they that use this world, as not abusing [it:] for the fashion
of this world passeth away. {7:32} But I would have you
without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for the
things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord:
{7:33} But he that is married careth for the things that are
of the world, how he may please [his] wife. {7:34} There is
difference [also] between a wife and a virgin. The
unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she
may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is
married careth for the things of the world, how she may
please [her] husband. {7:35} And this I speak for your own
profit; not that I may cast a snare upon you, but for that
which is comely, and that ye may attend upon the Lord
without distraction. {7:36} But if any man think that he
behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass
the flower of [her] age, and need so require, let him do what
he will, he sinneth not: let them marry. {7:37} Nevertheless
he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity,
but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his
heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well. {7:38} So then
he that giveth [her] in marriage doeth well; but he that
giveth [her] not in marriage doeth better. {7:39} The wife is
bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her
husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she
will; only in the Lord. {7:40} But she is happier if she so
abide, after my judgment: and I think also that I have the
Spirit of God.
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Amen.
~ Sincerely,
Bro. Jed

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Yes… I’m well aware of what 1 Corinthians Chapter 7 says, and what it does not say. None of that is in dispute. But I specifically asked you for a scripture reference that backs up your assertion that the New Testament forbids a man from taking multiple wives. At the risk of repeating myself, do you have any scriptures to back that assertion up?

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…Already gave ya da Scriptures… You know the deal. razz
I don’t have to provide anything more lol. Just admit it: you wanna be “validated” so you can go ahead and “marry” multiple wives like in Old Testament times and do like king David, Solomon ‘n ’em did? You CANNOT and SHOULD NOT marry more than ONE WIFE *if* you actually want to OBEY GOD in this. PERIOD.
I’m not gonna “validate” your own “personal agenda”. I couldn’t truthfully even *if* I wanted to. What you do is on YOU. Smh… quit on with the show sir. Amen.
~ Sincerely,
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“…Already gave ya da Scriptures…”

We both know that you did nothing of the sort, and you’re not much of a mind reader, either. I have no desire to take a second wife (my specific vows forbid it even if I wanted to, since they included the phrase “forsaking all others”). My only “agenda” is to stick with what the scriptures ACTUALLY say, which has nothing to do with what you or I would like them to say. I simply asked you to back up your assertion from scripture, and you have failed to do so (because you can’t). Have a nice day.

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…. Hmmm… Well, it’s good you stick to God’s Word in accordance to being the husband of ONE WIFE. Good deal…
May the Lord Jesus Christ BLESS you, your wife and your marriage greatly in His ABUNDANT GRACE! Amen!
~ Sincerely,
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That passage of scripture only enumerates the qualifications for deacons and elders… do you wish to add other people to the list? If you don’t think God does a good enough job of conveying His intent, you might wish to revisit the concept as laid out in Deuteronomy 4:2 and 12:32, as well as Revelation 22: 18-19.

Look, I’m not saying that monogamous marriage is not generally BEST (it generally is), but I AM saying that there are no GENERAL Biblical PROHIBITIONS against a man having more than one wife (although a man who has more than one wife may not hold the office of deacon or elder according to 1 Timothy chapter 3 and Titus chapter 1).

I’m neither a deacon nor an elder, and I do not consider myself qualified to be either as I have no children. No matter because, as I said, I couldn’t take a second wife even if I wanted to (I don’t), because my wedding vows contained the phrase “forsaking all others.”

In any case, let us each continue to strive forward toward a more perfect understanding and walk. In the meantime, I for one, have beaten this horse to death… you may have the final word if you wish.

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“Look, I’m not saying that monogamous marriage is not generally BEST (it generally is), but I AM saying that there are no GENERAL Biblical PROHIBITIONS against a man having more than one wife (although a man who has more than one wife may not hold the office of deacon or elder according to 1 Timothy chapter 3 and Titus chapter 1).”

Under the NEW TESTAMENT of what our Lord JESUS CHRIST spoke and taught He meant for “a husband and wife” meaning SINGULAR. NO MULTIPLE spouses.

God PROHIBITS marrying multiple partners as wives or husbands. Amen: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Family/Marriage/sacredness.htm

~ Sincerely,

Bro. Jed

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“He meant for “a husband and wife” meaning SINGULAR. NO MULTIPLE spouses.”

I’ve been on the road and didn’t see your response until now, but I’m always leery when someone claims to know what a passage of scripture “means” other than what it actually SAYS. That’s a very dangerous habit to get into. By the way, you repeatedly saying “Amen” (“so be it”) doesn’t make it so.

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Yeah it do. Don’t make it “hard” sir… For instance, CHRIST Himself is coming for HIS BRIDE the CHURCH meaning ONE WIFE so under New Testament doctrine that superceeds Old Testament in effect, a man or woman is ONLY permitted to marry ONE SPOUSE at a time.
Only when that one lifetime spouse dies in Christ the Christian widower/widow is allowed to remarry a new wife/husband IN CHRIST. Amen.
~ Sincerely,
Bro. Jed.

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It looks like you want to take away pleasure from everyone. It looks like you ‘re everybody’s evemy. Are you ? Do you want to tell us how we live our lives and keep us from enjoying women ?
Why not have a birth ratio of 2 women for 1 man, so that there can be an abundance of women a man can find as a virginal bride, as well as an abundance of sexualy liberated women a man can find for sex.

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Hm, so far I see abundance of horny men with zero empathy and no respect for women. You might have a daughter one day man,you have a mother. Think about them when typing shit like that. Disgusting.

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Not at all true in my experience.

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What do YOU think about my situation ? ……. read above

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Couldn’t find it. I was just saying that a good girl virgin will not necessarily be turned off by your higher notch count. In fact, I’d say probably not. My wife was a virgin when I met her and while my notch count is nowhere near Rooshlike, it’s into the double digits at least, which doesn’t bother her at all.

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I have found the girl that Roosh is talking about. She hits ALL points mentioned. However I do not want to have kids with her or with any other woman for that matter. Why? :
1.I do no want to create and raise my replacement
2.I am hoping the scientists will discover immortality, so I can chill forever
What do you think about my predicament ?

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Maybe if you’re feeling excessively noble you could avoid putting a notch in her and move on, if it’s not too late.

The immortality thing sounds pretty unlikely, but what do I know?

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How many lightyears do I have to travel to find a virgin?

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0.000000001…they exist in rural areas of Thailand, Philippines or similar. But good luck finding them in the west.

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Sucky sucky 5 dolla

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Those are hardly virgins

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Don’t forget central America. That’s where I found mine.

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Not much actually. Please read above and tell me your opinion on my situation.

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If a woman doesn’t believe in God, then she believes in something, and whatever that something is—it’s inferior to God. This is a big deal, and it took me a long time to realize it, too, Roosh; same with the virginity thing. I’ve also noticed that women who are religious without being virgins are the absolute best at hiding their pasts. They’re very used to lying, manipulating, and concealing their true selves—they’ve been hiding their activities from their friends, family, and church throughout their whole lives. Bullshitting is second nature to them. Religious girls without in tact hymens are to be viewed with just as much suspicion as the tequila shot slamming, fake tittied slattern down at the saloon.

When it comes to virginity, I’ve always viewed it like this: If I can convince myself without a doubt that I’m the best a woman has had—in absolutely every way—then I can overcome not being her first, but I’d have to be second or at the very worst third. Any more than that and you’re just a statistic regardless of how great you are. It’s hard to take down two guys in a fist fight, even if they’re both a couple of pussies; it’s the same when it comes to taking down two men in a woman’s mind—you’re going to fall short somewhere. One on one you can probably pull it off if you can out fuck, out earn, and out game the other guy; you have to be better looking and funnier and more interesting and more talented, too. It’s a tall order… speaking of tall—you better be taller than the other motherfuckers, too.

This means there’s always going to be doubt; there’s always going to be that nagging feeling that your falling short somewhere. And it’s true, you’re always falling short in that one spot, regardless: being number one. You can never be that guy—he will always have gotten there first. The only way to guarantee being the best is being the first. If you’re going to put all your eggs in one basket and hang your hat with just one woman, you have to guarantee that you’re the best; you have to get there first. There’s just no other way around it.

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You got it. In fact, a girl having slept with only one ex that she loved deeply may be worse than if she had 10 one-night stands, because an emotional connection was formed that does transfer into doubt during the relationship, and could result in her seeking him out again.

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If I may interject with an alternate perspective.

Im 45, I have a son. 12yrs old. I agree about finding a suitable woman but they are generally very fucked up so tick tock tick tock.

My advice-
Select a solid egg donor, High IQ, longevity etc. 5-10k
Select a solid surrogate- 25-30K, extra 10-20K for hyper nutrition.
9 months later- baby
Nanny for 5 years- 25K a year until kindergarten

Basically less than the cost of dating some girl for a year.
My son has an IQ in the 130s, top of his classes academically and is a disciplined self motivated drama free solid man that i have been able to raise logically with out some bitch countermanding my orders etc. Its really not that hard at all.

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Exactly what happened to me after 18 idyllic months with a very giving religious woman …but she had a bad boy before me and when he went with another new woman she fucking lost it… and I was left ejected. I’m going to interrogate for this right away going forward…

My only current advice and conclusion is spin plates. Like you said …tap into the flowing oil wells that are modern women, but get out as they dry up.

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Please read above, where I have posted a long text about the kind of woman I have found, and tell me your take on my predicament.

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Confirmed. If a woman ever had a deep emotional relationship with another man, you will have to outdo him in pretty much everything. Who would want such hard work ?

The woman I am talking about has never had such a relationship with any other man. I am very interested in your opinion on my predicament. Here is a man who has found the Holy Grail, but does not want it.
Needless to say, that this woman initiates contact, and tries to help me anyway possible, when I need her help.

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Roosh is it not much better to contribute in reversing aging, so we can live forever, instead of creating the kids that will replace us, thus wasting resources on that, when they could be used to sponsor the discovery of immortality ?

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Whoaaaaa what’s happening here, some honesty at last! So it really is a tragically deep level of insecurity on your part that drives all this misogyny. You don’t need a 18 yo Virgin Marry, you need therapy man. Or just kill yourself, as I’ve suggested earlier.

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So tell me. Is it “insecurity” to refuse an investment opportunity in penny stocks or Amway?

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Where them Stage 5 Clinger Virgins At! Gimme One! grin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14ZO1b3T6jo

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agreed about being the first.
and then there is always that ‘nostalgia’ about how things could have turned out with the other idiots when it gets a little difficult with you

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Spot on! A woman always want to be sure that you have “chemistry” (aka provide tingles). This means that she will always compare her feelings that she is getting from you at the moment with the feelings that she got from other partners in the past. So, if she had several strong emotional connections with other partners, it is really hard to match up even if you are objectively (in looks, attitude, status etc) the best she ever had. If a man wants to marry, his must find a woman that is either a virgin or low notch count (She should not have passed the rubricock threshhold: the sufficient number of partners until she finds her first chad that gives her extreme tingles and then dumps her, after him she is a lost cause…)

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Tympanism, even though I have found the kind of girl Roosh is talking about I consider it a waste of resources to make kids and raise instead of sponsoring the discovery of immortality. So that makes me NOT want to have kids with this woman even though she is the perfect wife material.
What do you think about my predicament ?

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Ave – good to see you in the skies again, my man…

All true. I don’t want you guys to go Cymbalta on me though. I’m wondering if any woman has a half a brain (I know… I know…) to get the message of this primacy/recency thing through Jedi mind tricks or something. Again, the women of the 60s and 70s (hags now agreed) were promiscuous as hell … some proud but many discrete… and ‘some’ did end up in 30y marriages only to divorce guys like me without Game. You guys stand a better chance.

I know – I know…. women are fuckng morons.

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are you speaking from experience here? lmao

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I prefer the Batman quote from Batman begins :
“Swear to me !” …
I am interested in a woman who believes in me, who believes that I AM her God. I can be her God, and I can offer much more than any God can.

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Trying to find virgin in today’s world is like digging through trash and expecting to find diamond, ruby and 24 Karat gold. LMAO.

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Very good about the believe in god bit. People without faith are liable to suddenly discover that screwing others over is okay when the situation calls for it, and explain their crime based on some leftist social justice mechanism.

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An agnostic fiance becomes a rabid anti-church atheist wife. Oh, but not anti-mosque, just anti-church. Atheist wives target one religion. Plus they’re not aware nor agree with Dawkins, Sam Harris, Hitchens and many other famous atheist scholars on how religions differ and the contributions or lack of for each.

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Sam Harris says Jainism is the best religion. I tend to agree, although I’m a Buddhist myself. Buddhism and Jainism borrowed heavily from one another but I think I might be transitioning fully to Jainism sometime in the near future. I like its essentialism.

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Atheist, scholar ? oxymoron of the day !

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I think it was The Illimitable Man (I think, I’m not 100% sure) who wrote on Reddit’s TRP a while ago that a woman believing in God is nice, but if her feminized pastor starts telling the congregation that blow jobs are immoral, well, no more blow jobs for you. She’ll put God above you.

Couldn’t she just believe in her man and her man’s moral authority?

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I don’t understand why men would accept oral sex from women any way. Women offer to do that as a passive-aggressive form of rejection – anything to divert a man’s penis away from their vaginas.

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Oh.

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I don’t know about that, from personal experience I’ve been given head throughout the interaction, some girls like to lick their fluids off, others like the submissiveness that can come with the act even going so far as to gag themselves, but then (more on your line) there have been some who believe it gives them some sort of control, I’m not a big fan of that type.

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Crazy talk.

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“To some a dream; to others a nightmare.”
Some girls do it to show their adoration. Some do it to finish you off without opening their legs (they may also use their hands).

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Your salvation is by faith and not works. The saved and unsaved sin but sin has a different impact on either group. Blowjobs are by definition, sodomy. Which is more important, obeying God or being physically gratified by a blowjob? Sin always takes you further than you wanted to go.

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Re: classifying oral sex as a sin.

-citation needed-

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Sodomy is a sin in the Bible and the definition of sodomy encompasses oral sex. Just look it up in a dictionary.

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I couldn’t care less about how a dictionary written in 2016 defines a word – I care about what the word meant at the time the scripture was written. Is sodomy defined as a sin in scripture? Sure. Is oral sex a form of sodomy in scripture? Citation needed.

I’ll add the caveat that it would fall into the broad category of “porneia” for people who aren’t married.

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I couldn’t care less how you couldn’t care less. If that’s a pointless rabbit hole you want to go down, go for it.

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Me? I’m not the one who brought it up. You made an unsupported assertion and I asked for a relevant citation. If you want to bow out, that’s fine. I have nothing further to add.

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Unsupported in your eyes. And if it’s unsupported in your eyes, go look it up. If it’s some sort of weird standard that you’re holding me to, the I want nothing of it.

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The “weird standard” I’m applying is a pretty simple one… and it’s the same one Christians have been using since the end of the apostolic age nearly 2000 years ago: If you’re going to say that something is a sin (wrong in the eyes of God), it’s incumbent on you to be able to support your assertion in scripture, since that is the only universally-accepted collection of what constitutes God’s will among Christians. By saying, “Doing X is a sin” you are saying, “Scripture forbids the performance of X.” But we both know that it doesn’t.

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Oral sex is a sin in Catholicism. Don’t know about Orthodox Christianity. Either way, its pretty gross. YMMV

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Do you have a reference for oral sex being a sin in the Catholic church? I honest researched it once and couldn’t come up with a definite answer either way.

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I’m not Catholic, but I’m pretty sure Yogi is correct. The way I’ve heard it is that anything sexual that CANNOT result in pregnancy is forbidden (sometimes Catholics will – incorrectly – use the word “sodomy” to describe all such activities). That’s the reason Catholics can’t use any method of birth control other than the Rhythm Method (affectionately referred to as “Vatican Roulette”). The vast majority of Catholics in Western nations ignore that particular doctrine, though.

Of course it depends on who’s the pope at any given time. Paul VI over-ruled a council of bishops in the 1960’s who recommended lifting the ban, and Francis recently caused a firestorm when he said that poor families “Need not breed like rabbits,” but declined to elaborate further. Catholics believe that the pope gets to speak for God, which is why Catholic doctrine shifts back and forth all the time on all sorts of subjects.

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But I want a specific statement from the church itself that says “no oral sex.” I’ve never found one.

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Ah… got it. It took some digging, but here’s a link that explains the doctrine and notes the source documents from Catholic theology. (http://www.catechism.cc/articles/QA.htm). “Humanae Vitae” is the latest official written doctrinal statement that addresses the topic as far as I know.

In a nutshell: “Humanae Vitae” specifies that any sex act must meet all three of the following criteria: marital, unitive, and procreative.

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not part of the ten commandments for sure, can’t be that bad!

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Catholic doctrine doesn’t shift at all.
The Masonic popes do, like those two you mentioned.

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Popes and councils have changed official Catholic doctrines countless times.

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No, they haven’t. Not even Vatican II dared to do that, and tried to introduce the reforms by the back door through “pastoral” instructions for the priests and bishops.
Not even the last Synod (affectionately called the Sodomy Synod by the Catholics) was able to do that.
That’s why pope Fiasco is getting his knickers in a twist.

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You’re seriously going to stand behind the transparently false assertion that Catholic doctrine has NEVER changed?

http://www.bible.ca/catholic-flip-flops.htm

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That’s not doctrine. Those are rules of practice.

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That’s what is known as “A distinction without a difference.” Never mind – your beliefs are unfalsifiable. You claimed that Catholic doctrine doesn’t change, then when I give a VERY partial list of dozens of such changes (including some very significant changes to theology that have little or nothing to with “rules of practice”), you just moved the goalposts and said that THOSE changes aren’t “doctrinal.”

See “No true Scottsman fallacy.”

You: Catholic doctrine never changes.
Me: Here’s a list of dozens of examples of Catholic doctrine changing.
You: Those aren’t real doctrines.

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It’s not MY beliefs, as I am an agnostic. Which doesn’t prevent me from seeing when somebody like you is trying to pull the wool over my eyes. Your site is a scandal site, nothing to do with theology. And yes, those are rules of practice. A change of baptism from immersion to sprinkling is a change of a rule of practice. If the CC had stopped believing in baptising in the name of Christ – THAT would have been a change of doctrine.

The internet is full of discrediting sites, one sillier than the other. Most of them belong to the talmudists, in their war against the rest of the world. Christians are the first ones they’re after, but then it will be the others’ turn.

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Your STATED belief is that Catholic doctrine doesn’t change. That has nothing to do with being agnostic.

So you don’t like the site I picked… fine. Pick any of the dozens of other sources (including official Catholic ones) that show the same doctrinal flip-flops. I just picked that one because it provides a list of those changes that you claim didn’t happen. Are you disputing that the items they published – WHICH ARE OFFICIAL CATHOLIC DOCTRINE – are invalid because you label any source that doesn’t conform to your beliefs as a so-called “scandal site?”

As for doctrinal changes: are you REALLY going to say that the RCC going from allowing priests to marry, then forbidding them to marry, (adopted in 1139) is NOT a change in doctrine? Are you suggesting that viewing Mary are the normal human female who gave birth to the messiah… and then elevating her to the Godhead as a co-redemptrix (Pope Benedict XV) is not a change in doctrine? Are you going to say that the doctrine of papal infallibility (adopted in 1870) is not a change in doctrine? Those and dozens of other doctrinal changes are available from multiple sources. The only person whose credibility is gone in this argument is you, since you clearly don’t know anything about Catholic doctrine.

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Calm down. You are spewing a lot of NONSENSE, but even if you get mad it’s still NONSENSE.
So far you have produced ZERO EVIDENCE to support your claim.

Allowing priests to marry is also a rule of practice, NOT DOCTRINE. I really have to question your level of intelligence, since you are not able to differentiate between so very obviously different things.

Pope Benedict XV did NOT elevate Mary to the rank of co-redemptrix. There is NO such doctrine in the Catholic Church.
So stop embarrassing yourself and go study some more before trolling.

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I should have stopped when I first pointed out that your beliefs are unfalsifiable – no amount of proof will suffice to budge you from your untenable position. Your petulant screeching at me just reconfirmed it. A man can be wrong… a man can be stubborn… but you insist on being both. So… I’m out: you have exhausted my patience.

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Bye bye, talmudist.

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The vatican should cover all child care expenses of Catholics everywhere if the Pope wants them to have sex without birth control to increase the Church’s numbers.

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Pope Frank is getting with the NWO program – he told people they shouldn’t breed like rabbits.

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Why on earth people would let some man in Rome, who they never met and he doesn’t he know they exist, dictate their family life is beyond me. If the “Catholic Church” want people to breed like cats and dogs to increase its numbers, then the Vatican should be coverin all child care expenses, through college.

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until you`ve tried it

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It’s up to the husband to be the spiritual head of the household, but he’s still under God. One of the corollaries to that is that a feminized pastor is NOT the head of the household. If a pastor goes wobbly, it’s time to tell him where – and why – he’s wrong. If he listens, great: you’ve regained a brother. If he doesn’t listen, move on: light and darkness cannot share space.

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If the pastor starts preaching things you don’t agree with, you just move on? Might as well just do Bible study at home. Which brings me back to why she can’t just believe in her man, God optional?

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Good question. No pastor always preaches exactly as I believe. We’re all works in progress and I’m not always right, either. But if a pastor goes against the clear teaching of scripture I’ll show him. Oftentimes they have listened. If not… as the head of my house I knew it was time to go elsewhere. The corollary to THAT is that I need to be grounded enough – and know the Word well enough myself – to know truth from falsehood. My pastor and I disagree on a few theological points… no big deal. But if he starts telling the women in the congregation that they have no obligations within their marriages, we’re going to have words (actually, he’s not about to do that, and the board would set him straight if he did). If he persisted, I would take my wife elsewhere.

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I submit that your wife’s willingness to accept your corrective theological teachings over your pastor speaks more to her trust in you than a higher power.

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Not at all. If I told her something that ran against scripture I would expect her to let me know where she thought I had gone off the rails, and she would view it as her duty to do so.

[Edit. Having said that, she’s learned over the past 28 years that if I say something, there’s a very slim chance that I’m off. If I don’t know something, or something is ambiguous, I refrain from making pronouncements. So when I DO speak, what I say has a track record of being highly reliable.]

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Fair enough.

[Edit: Mmm. She trusts you. I remain unconvinced that God is the key component here: It’s you.

I didn’t mean for this to turn into a discussion about your specific situation. I just wanted to comment abstractly on Roosh’s post on believing in God in general being a requirement. If he’s strong enough, she won’t need a higher power, other than him.]

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Fair enough. Since we’re talking in generalities: I think that CAN work, but it’s far less certain. In the absence of a “referee” (for lack of a better term), things are more up for grabs. If my wife only refrained from cheating because of my “frame,” a loss of that frame from a debilitating injury, loss of employment, etc., would be likely to result in weakening her resolve. But if there’s a third party above us both who sets unchanging rules, and she recognizes His authority to do so, and He forbids her to cheat, then my human frailties offer far less temptation. Untethering actions from a transcendent moral code has a pretty crappy track record.

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I’d be curious to see that track record.

Hypergamy doesn’t believe in God.

Maybe we’ll just have to agree to disagree that an omniscient higher power is the final check on fidelity. If it works for your wife, that’s awesome.

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I see it as a combination of things: masculinity reinforced with religious and social taboos against promiscuity with real consequences… a culture that breeds “manly” men with masculine rites of passage… that has relative religious homogeneity that supports the nuclear family and condemns unrestrained sexual expression… and cultural “infrastructure” that puts teeth to the taboos and rewards responsible behavior, will have a lot less sexual wreckage than a society that doesn’t have those things, or has them to a lesser degree.

We’ve eliminated uniquely-male rites of passage entirely, emasculated boys and men to a great degree, removed or minimized social stigma against sluttery/bastardy in both culture AND IN CHURCHES. We lost our consensus that some things are right and good and other things are wrong and bad. Men are on their own now… neither society nor many of our churches have our backs. With the way family law works, that’s terrifying.

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I agree.

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As if men don’t need god either. The only “strong” men who don’t believe in god do the devil’s work.

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The social-justice atheists love social science when it supports what they want to believe any way, like the studies which show the decline of religious belief in a big swath of the world.

But then they go into science-denialism when I point to the social science which shows that women damage themselves for stable marriages by having premarital sexual relationships. You don’t need to believe in a god to see this as an empirical reality. Our allegedly ignorant, superstitious and backwards ancestors had the right idea when they shamed sluts, shunned bastards and made their daughters marry as virgins.

If we ever have the opportunity to restore a healthy patriarchal society, the corrupted pseudoscience of sexology will need thorough reforms. Sexologists write sex education curricula, and they propagandize for corrosive ideas like premarital sexual relationships and accepting homosexuality as a different kind of normal, then they inflict these ideas on vulnerable girls who lack the responsible male supervision and the life experience to know any better. This will have to stop in the project to save civilization.

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For all the so-called benefits of sex “education,” the amount of sheer ignorance of those basic facts is stunning. There can be no doubt that sex outside of marriage confers no benefit to anyone past fleeting pleasure, while the downsides and risks are large, numerous, and ubiquitous. So while “educators” are teaching 8-year-olds how to put condoms on cucumbers, I know a smart, pretty, 34-year-old board-certified dentist who thinks she’s going to meet a nice guy and have a large family… some day. Even a girl who made it to the top of her profession in a branch of health care doesn’t know that her fertility may well ALREADY be gone.

If Abstinence education is so bad, why is it that it’s the only system that works to preserve societies, while secular sex “education” leaves a mile-wide swath of ignorance and ruin. It is possible to have years of sex “education” and not know a single important thing about human sexuality at the end.

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Sex ed also assumes that all healthy, able-bodied boys have approximately equal prospects for sex lives, when we can clearly see the nonsense of that. Elliot Rodger probably received comprehensive sex ed growing up, but that didn’t do him any good at all.

By contrast, the 14 year old Braxtons of the world don’t have to do any of the things elders tell their unfuckable boys to do, because girls find them ready to go in their given state: They don’t have to “develop themselves” first; no one told they aren’t good enough yet for sexual relationships; they didn’t have to learn pickup techniques; none of this goalpost-moving bullshit. At most their elders just tell the Braxtons to slow down and use protection to keep their girlfriends from getting pregnant.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-michigan-teen-runaways-found-safe-chicago/story?id=20191947

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Advanced Unable to be Agnostic, I have found the girl Roosh is talking about. I do not want to have kids with her or anyone else. I am interested in sponsoring the research for immortality, so I can chill forever. What do you think of my predicament ?

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Despite what we’ve been led to believe about sex (that it’s casual and meaningless to women) which has allowed us men access to easy lays, women are always emotionally invested in everything and then ruled pretty much entirely by it.
There will be a pair bond formed when she loses her virginity and breaking that connection will send her off to be a bpd mental case. On top of that, there are methods to “imprint” her to you more fully that can make the loss even greater.
Women who choose the “empowering” line of feminist bullshit get what they earn and their giving away what they shouldn’t is no one’s fault but their own, that’s like having an all you can eat buffet set up and then getting mad when someone takes “too much.”
Also, it is not unreasonable for a man to set his own standards and require the people he is going to spend any serious time around to meet them, this includes women. Want to be a promiscuous slut because you were horny and “he was so cute” and ran some good lines? Fine, but while I may take you up on the free offer, doesn’t mean I have to, or have to “compromise” and lower my standards, or put a ring on it. That’s one choice left entirely up to me as of yet, and I don’t intend to let anyone try and take it away from me.

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Crazy man, I have found the girl Roosh talks about. I don’t want to have kids with her or anyone else though. I ‘d rather sponsor the research for immortality, so that when it is discovered I can chill forever.
I also want 100’s of millions of muslims and Indians to just die off. There ‘s too many of them on the planet. And the Chinese need to be reduced to 300 m.
What do you think about my predicament ?

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Good thing you are speaking for yourself and your opinion is a belief of its own. I can not subscribe to this but I always find your commentary very interesting and insightful.

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Drugs what’s up men, cool handle you ‘ve got there, and I saw what you did there “deerugs”=drugs
Read above and tell me your opinion on my predicament please

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Thanks appreciate it smile

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Rules are reasonable crutch for people who haven’t developed the ability to evaluate the character of a girl and the quality of the relationship (a girl who’s genuinly in love with you and admires you makes many of those strict rules unneccessary). But it’s definitely a reasonable starting for learning to evaluate girls for this purpose.

Also, for what it’s worth, a virgin girl can have emotional baggage over a guy she was in love with and never got to be with, and this can be as difficult to get over as an actual relationship. Prioritizing a young girl may avoid that, but really you want a girl who forgets over any previous guys once she’s with you, who “imprints” on you (on who you really are, not on a persona). It happens, it’s just rare (and is most likely to happen to younger girls, like the girls who met their husbands as teenagers and remained married for many decades).

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Not long ago, the Alpha Game blog brought to our attention this article written by this woman who admitted to have gone on a bang fest around the globe after a breakup. It ended up with her being unhappy. Unfortunately, the link to The Sun doesn’t seem to work anymore, but she ended up seeing how bad she was messing up and ended spending days of reflection in a convent.

Now, definitely I’m not condoning her actions, but I will say this. I at least commend her for opening her eyes and seeing her wrongdoings. Quite a show of remorse. And I’m only saying this because this is quite rare. If only younger girls acted this way. After all, shame and remorse, far from being something bad, is the first step to recovery. For her, it might definitely be a bit too late, but at least it’s a start.
https://alphagameplan.blogspot.com/2016/06/this-is-what-alpha-widow-looks-like.html?m=1

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“Beware of very beautiful women”

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh9ZZgDqzAg

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Oh brother, not that song.

Unfortunately it’s not true or that simple. Being with an unattractive woman = being miserable, and always staring at more attractive women.

I can deal with a lesser face if she has great breasts and booty, however. LOL.

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Yes, it is true.

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Define virgin.
Sucked many a cock, took several up the ass, to orgasm,
yet hymen intact?
Good luck finding one that has not had intimate contact with a male bodypart that spreads the pheremones that get that hook in her.

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It’s very uncommon for a virgin to have those sorts of experiences. You’re talking delusions.

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your girlfriend said so?

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When a man has a girl available for sex it’s unusual he won’t fuck her vaginally. This is common sense.

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I am designing a VIRGIN App.

All women will need be checked for intact hyman

Any type of tattoo or body piercing is excluded from joining

PURE VIRGINS only who want to marry and not “have fun”

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Brilliant analysis!

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Your list perfectly described my Ex. There’s still the need to isolate one’s family from the invasive influence of this degenerate western culture. She was ruined by the culture and the religion that led her to remain a virgin before me. It’s a double-edged sword.

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I’m a bit confused by your comment. At first glance it seems to contradict itself; can you clarify?

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Sure. Despite a man’s best efforts to choose a wife wisely, you’re still fighting an uphill battle. My ex met all Roosh’s requirements in article, but was still already corrupted by society’s expectations of her role and my role in the relationship. And that is why I talk about isolating one’s family from the outside influences of the degenerate western culture, if that’s even possible.

Me and my ex grew up in an age before cell phones, the internet and even email. Now with all the network nodes of outside influence terminating on a woman’s iPhone, it’s virtually impossible to prevent the destruction of traditional female thoughts and attitudes, lest you find a girl in the middle of the woods without so much as electricity.

It’s a hellish situation for men these days compared to my day. And even I wasn’t successful despite taking extraordinary measures to protect my family from the destructive cultural influences that lead all women astry.

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Ok, that’s what I figured you meant. I see what you mean.

I’m at the point now where I just assume that is a woman is from western culture she’s at least moderately programmed to at some point destroy her family/relationship/marriage/etc with little guilt.

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This is fucking hilarious.

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My future hits six of the seven (and never had sex) so I am blessed by God.

One question, Roosh: if you do find one like the one you spoke about, will you wait till marriage to have sex with her?

Stay safe.

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We are in the same situation/ on the same boat.
Please read above the long text which I have posted about the girl that I have found, who is the ideal girl for marriage according to Roosh, and give me your opinion with regard to my predicament.

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I guess women can control their nature but how can I show them the manosphere without them getting angry?

Virgins are good. Also make sure she limits social media.

Girls won’t ever admit they made mistakes. I know too many single mothers praising themselves.

Don’t date a woman who claims to be bisexual, no piercings or tats.

I am no better than these women and I don’t need to be the spotlight but red pill women should be more popular so we can control our nature and be mothers.

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“The Future Mother Of Your Child Should Be A Virgin Who Believes In God”

And

“If you meet a girl who hits all seven items on my list, you potentially have a great mom on your hands.”

Roosh you gotta be joking. Western females have already been chewed up and barfed out. At this point now all red pill men are preparing for war. This is not the time to saddle up and play ‘house’ especially when there is not a decent female to be found today.

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If we don’t breed then we have no future. Your comment was as intellectually bankrupt as feminism.

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If a population raises its numbers in comparison to the population of other countries, it is an act of war.

However true that may be, why should we burden ourselves with raising a multitude of children, instead of drastically decreasing the birth rates of the 3rd world ?

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It’s up to you how you handle things, man. I never said it wasn’t. Yet let this be understood: Natural selection is watching.

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Sadly. I’m in the science field, and maybe you guys should take a page out of ‘Big Bang’ (LoL) and chase some of these nerdy girls. They’re into their books while other babes are into the bars….

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they exist but not in the west. vote with your feet and watch all the feminists get even more pissed (if that is even possible)!

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I can’t assemble enough expletives to describe how I feel about this cockwomble and I pity all you foolish fucktards who read this article and agree with these “facts”. You can’t treat a woman like a piece of merchandise and grade her by looks or intelligence, we are all human beings in the end of the day. Roosh you’re a disgrace to men who are actually strong and cherish strength in their partners. You come across like a weak fool with small dick syndrome and the only way maintain a relationship with a woman would be to control her, make sure she’s not too intelligent so she wouldn’t be smart or brave enough to leave you.

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I can’t assemble enough expletives to describe how I feel about this cockwomble and I pity all you foolish fucktards who read this article and agree with these “facts”. You can’t treat a woman like a piece of merchandise and grade her by looks or intelligence, we are all human beings in the end of the day. Roosh you’re a disgrace to men who are actually strong and cherish strength in their partners. You come across like a weak fool with small dick syndrome and the only way maintain a relationship with a woman would be to control her, make sure she’s not too intelligent so she wouldn’t be smart or brave enough to leave you.

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So good you had you had to say it twice??? Calling names… check….. making assumptions…. check…..referenced equality….. check…..”man up”…. check…… calling into question the mans sexual performance…. check…… well done….

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What’s your point?

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If you don’t know there is no reason to pursue the discussion.

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I would also be very interested in your opinion on my predicament.
I would like to add that I have a big fat 8 incher.
I have found this ideal girl for marriage that Roosh describes :
1. She IS between 18-25 years old. She is 25,5, and was 23,5 when I met her.
2. She DOES HAVE less than three prior sexual partners. She is a virgin.
3. Her physical attractiveness IS around the 7 range.
4. Her skin tone IS within two shades of myself
5. She IS feminine, likes to dress and act feminine. Her only male friends are her cousins.
6. She DOES WANT to be a traditional stay-at-home mother. Having worked for 3 years till now, she has come to realize that a job takes away her energy, and she does not like that. She has explicitly expressed her desire to become a stay at home mom and that she would work only if her man would not be able to supply enough for the family.
7. She DOES believe in a God, and is certain of a God’s existence, as she claims that she has received certain signs (which she will not reveal to me). She visits the church and studies the lives of saints.
8.Something which I would like to add : She does find me attractive and explicitly addresses my looks.

HOWEVER … I am not interested in becoming a father BECAUSE :
1.I don’t want to create my “replacements” and train them to take my place and give them my all in order to achieve that.
2.I would much rather invest my resources in becoming immortal, or prolonging my life and youth for as much as possible.
3.I am not FOR raising the birth rates of the 1st and 2nd world, but FOR decreasing the birth rates of the 3rd world.

What is your take on my predicament ?

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^ Man-hater detected:

– No intelligent reply to points in the article
– Only childish insults and belittling men
– No accountability for women whatsoever

I think you need a man to keep you in check. Obviously you’ve got some serious anger issues.

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“You can’t treat a woman like a piece of merchandise and grade her by looks or intelligence”

Why ever not?

I’m going to go with a sharp markdown on the OP today.

Unfavorable customer feedback; too many returns during the warranty period. Refer to R&D for acoustic and user interface enhancements.

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Very interesting statements, but as usually Roosh, to much wishful thinking in your narrative. If you want to pick up a virgin nowadays, you must date 14 year old girls at least,( though i think that these days girls are born without hymen already). Easy to say but you are going to need a Talent casting in order to match your requirements. Anyway funny to read.

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I have to add here that a few years before I found this girl, I had found a 19 year old virgin who was also extremely attracted to me and stated it explicitly and who I lost as I discontinued the relationship, even though she stated she was ready to have sex with me.
VIRGINS ARE EVERYWHERE.
Please read above the long text which I have posted about the girl that I have found, who is the ideal girl for marriage according to Roosh, and give me your opinion with regard to my predicament.

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From my experience-in eastern europe,simple, slim girls who are not very beauty are approached by the guys most of all. Local guys are not afraid of them. They are affraid of local “beauty queens”(glorified sluts). Also -one girl told me,that in her first relationships (since her age of 16) she was only doing blowjobs to stay a virgin till marriage. I don’t want to know how many litres she swallowed. So-she must be an absolute virgin in any way.

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Considering this doesn’t exist, what’s the alternative?

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The odds of building a successful happy family in this depraved world we live in are extremely low. Even if you find that woman, it is not a guaranty that she would stay that way over the years. Of course, having met these criteria, the odds that she will not be corrupted along the line, increase but the risk is still high enough to still be a dangerous proposition for a man. Remember that for married women there are only incentives to go carousel riding and not any punishments for doing that. The countless examples of men being “divorced raped” indicate that women will do it without any remorse if they have lost “the love feeling” for her husband regardless of the cost.

So as i see it, our western culture gives us three basic “options”:

1. Live the hedonistic lifestyle: Cultivate the alpha image and practice game in order to have sex and the company of multiple girls, without any plans for the future whatsoever
2. Find a carousel woman that has hit the wall and become her sperm donor. Of course she will secretly despise you because you are a lesser man than the chad/chads that wouldn’t marry her in the past. And along the line, it is highly probable that she would divorce you.
3. Live a lonely life, MGTOW style. Occasionally some hook ups or paid sex but nothing serious. Just sexual release in order to stay sane.

The first option is the most difficult if you are not a top man or a natural. It needs a lot of work and there are not any guaranties.
The second option is the easiest one because it is highly probable that you encounter many carousel women in your life, mostly in the age of 27-33, that will “like you” especially if you seem like a “nice guy”, have a stable job and you are above thirty.
Finally, the third option is the most safe but not so easy to follow
(requires a lot of discipline)

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None of these are acceptable options for the long-game.
These options are only meant to fulfill one’s longing to experience happiness and contentment.

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Of course there not. Everlasting happiness and contentment in life never comes from hedonism & instant gratification. True fulfillment grows from within by practicing discipline and morality so you can become a better human being. However, a great part of becoming a complete grown man lies in building a healthy family. (for women is to give birth and raise healthy children). Something that is extremely difficult to accomplish in our day and age

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“However, a great part of becoming a complete grown man lies in building a healthy family. (for women is to give birth and raise healthy children). Something that is extremely difficult to accomplish in our day and age”

If it all hinges on this, then I’m not interested in options 1-3.
In light of Brexit and Donald Trump, we need some new ideas.

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Me neither. I am following the option 1 (self improvement and game etc) in a hope that someday i will find and attract a good woman to build a family. Unfortunately, the more women i interact with, the more disappointed i become. It seems like a lost cause already…I have not yet find a single young woman (below 25) that wants to have kids and family in the near future. (Let alone being virgin and believing in god). I do not blame them though…this is what they have been fed to believe by our sick society. All in all, the system has waged a war against men because we are the only ones that can fight back and stop this mess once and for all. If we want to save what is left from western civilization, we must immediately return to a more traditional & patriarchal society.

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Other than surrogacy or expatriating, unfortunately it looks like forming a family with a European/western woman is simply no longer possible.

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Not true what you say.
Please read above the long text which I have posted about the girl that I have found, who is the ideal girl for marriage according to Roosh, and give me your opinion with regard to my predicament.

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CK, I have found the girl Roosh is talking about, but I do not want to have kids with her or any other woman. I’d rather spend my resources on the research for immortality, so that when the scientists discover it I can chill forever.
What do you think of my predicament, and how will we reduce the numbers of Asians and Indians and Muslims and Blacks ?

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Is she hot?

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Just because a western woman may fit your criteria, doesn’t mean that she is not prone to falling for feminist ideas after she has already married. You also have no idea if you will have a sex life a year after you get married. I’d imagine women who wait that long to have sex don’t have much of a sex drive. Even if you manage to find the right girl in the west, it’s still a huge gamble with there being so many bad influences surrounding them.

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The girl I am talking about has a huge drive but supresses it.
Yes she has mentioned cold showers …
She also does notcare for feminism. She wants an intelligent and caring man, who will give her respect.
Please read above the long text which I have posted about the girl that I have found, who is the ideal girl for marriage according to Roosh, and give me your opinion with regard to my predicament.

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At this point, I’m convinced the only American women under 25 who are interested in being moms are those psychotic 15 year olds on the “Help: My disrespectful teen does drugs and is OUT OF CONTROL!” episodes of Maury.

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Totally untrue. There are women out there who want that.
Please read above the long text which I have posted about the girl that I have found, who is the ideal girl for marriage according to Roosh, and give me your opinion with regard to my predicament.

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NOT UNDER 25.

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To get a good girl who believes in God is not so hard — if you, too, believe in God. As Roosh says: you need to be one of the guys that “actually allows the word of God” to restrict your actions.

It took me a couple of years to fully change into a good enough man to match the goodness of the hot, smart, kind, God fearing (&loving) woman who lost her virginity to me after we got married. 4 fine kids 22 years later we’re still hot for each other, only.

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It is really nice to hear a good relationship story for a change! And 4 kids! great! I hope the best to your family wink

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I have found a girl like that even though I do not call myself a believer, but an agnostic.
Please read above the long text which I have posted about the girl that I have found, who is the ideal girl for marriage according to Roosh, and give me your opinion with regard to my predicament.

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Nobody is writing about it and this is one of the only corners I can go where I can share my opinion without getting blasted as a “racist”.

I live in London. I grew up in a conservative city and was raised by a strongly liberal family. I have a career in finance and my education and post-graduate education is in finance (no BS MBA however). I am not poor by any stretch. But you would have to be pretty blind not to look at the recent history of the EU, financial markets and geopolitics and understand why the rest of England has fallen apart and why it’s so hard to get ahead in London – unless you work at a major bank with bonuses higher than your salary.

So I voted leave. I am one of the silent ones. You haven’t heard much from me lately if we’ve crossed paths in London. That’s because when you bring up the subject – you preface it with “Brexit voters are dumb and racist” without knowing that I’m a Brexit voter. This shows you don’t know anything about a Brexit voter. We sit in the same white collar/ educated office, dine at the same foreign restaurant, drink at the same Gastropub. We share views and ideas everyday.

Yet you can’t imagine I would vote to leave. Because I don’t say racist things or seem “anti-intellectual”. Most of you know I’m a voracious reader and that I grew up with nothing but ethnic friends in my hometown.

I am now more silent than before. I am an informed person. When I met two people that were genuinely interested in my views – I made them admit they wish they knew all that I had told them before the vote. The funny thing is – I know more about than any expat I know. These educated expats I know are too busy partying and hitting up poshclubs, spending money to attract gold digging women. Then a vote happens and they read a few articles in the FT and Economist and suddenly they know everything. Everyone else is stupid. Sounds like an oxymoron coming from my banker friends in London.

I needed to get that off my chest.

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Oh wow… Smh, Mr. Roosh, smh… lol

“The Future Mother Of Your Child Should Be A Virgin Who Believes In A God”…

Wow… really? Okay…

Interesting you would say something like this…

On another note, I know of another man who thinks the same way called “Mr. Jonathan Frost” @ http://www.thumotic.com/how-to-find-a-wife/ and this http://www.freedomtwentyfive.com/2012/09/two-games/

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A (Christian) virgin woman who believes in the actual ONE TRUE GOD as I’ve made known to you and other men/women/people on your website should know that a “believer” should really NOT “yoke” with an unbeliever in marriage unless of a surety it’s of GOD’S WILL.

If anything Mr. Roosh, say hypothetical Christian virgin woman who believes in a GOD meets between you and me Mr. Roosh. As a young Christian virgin man myself, why would she, a legitimate believer as myself as the case being in the article would want to choose an unsaved, reprobate, “whoremongering” unbeliever as yourself; unless you are ALSO a believer of “a GOD” meaning THE GOD, which is LORD JESUS CHRIST. Amen…

Wow… Smh at the self-serving, self-gratifying idea coming from a man…

In this self-serving mindset you only seek to satisfy your own needs/wants of raising a family with a *good woman* who believes in “a GOD” without taking into account HER NEEDS; but you most likely don’t and *won’t* OBEY and FOLLOW the COMMANDS of such a GOD she serves lol (yeah, just the “ideal setup woman” for *YOURSELF*!) but be a “one-sided” “my way only”. Me-me-me circus… Shame.

In actual (CHRISTIAN) MARRIAGE the husband and the wife satisfy the needs of the OTHER and not themselves 100%. If you can’t do that (I mean you “don’t want to do that; you’re just “playing yourself”. You don’t mean it.)

And to think of women’s natural hypergamy, and solipsism… Well, solipsism is especially “effeminate” and repulsive in a man… Rationalization hamster (normally in women) is off the CHAIN in this one!

The only men who can legitimately take claim to the best quality, virgin (Christian) women of FAITH are men who are BELIEVERS THEMSELVES.

Smh… at why you (Roosh) who would think an actual good quality, sincere (Christian) sister in Christ would want to be “unequally yoked” with an unbeliever of all other various options of men (of FAITH) she has access to… lol. Yeah.

Roosh, I call “b.s.” on you, really. You can do better that what you’re doing… Smh man… be a BELIEVER yourself man FIRST. Until then don’t expect to “get with a woman who believes in a God” if you don’t believe in the same GOD she does.

Be the HEAD and NOT the “tail”. Amen.

~ Sincerely,

Bro. Jed

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“As a young Christian virgin man myself”

I stopped reading here. Anybody make it further?

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Why are you belittling a man you do not know ?

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Because he’s a virgin…

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So is the Pope.

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That’s not what the choir boys reckon…

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So you’re accusing Pope Francis of being a child molester?

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No. I’m just joking about him. However, I doubt he’s a virgin. Also, I see no reason to be polite about him. He wants to destroy Europe with immigrants, too. That’s a bad thing. He’s an idiot.

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Sure, I just hate seeing someone accused of being a pedophile when that is unproven. That’s worse than calling someone a rapist when there is no proof that they raped.

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Okay. I’ll just stick to calling the pope a fucking idiot who doesn’t give a fuck about Europe, it’s people, and it’s history, then – proven things. I hope you’re happy with that.

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You missing out… Amen.

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Wow… really? Okay…

Yes, really.

It’s always laughable to see how today’s feminized, weak men have no concept of truths proven out over centuries.

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… yet call themselves “Christian.”

Biblical Christianity is hardcore red-pill by today’s, and this dude’s, milquetoast mis-conception.

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… compared to today’s…

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Roosh you fail to realize that there is a solution to having a beautiful wife: keep her pregnant, every 2 years she should be popping out another one, and she won’t leave the kitchen.

After numerous kids the wife is just now starting to get out on her own in her mid 30s and she is very pretty and athletic, but through her 20s she was in the kitchen.

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Sadly, 1 up-vote will never be enough to express how much I agree with this.

Yes, you can marry a 10 without fear she’ll ever leave you. Set a rule that it’s a contraception-free relationship. Simply, women with 7+ kids are 1,000 times less likely to betray or leave their provider.

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Are you FOR raising the birth rates of the 1st and 2nd world, or FOR decreasing the birth rates of the 3rd world ?
I am for the second proposal …

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I’m FOR being selected in favor of by natural selection… meaning me, in person.

Reducing 3rd world birth-rates is eugenics, by the way. That’s an evil thing. 😈

In any case, the 3rd world isn’t going to become reproductively retarded over night. 🌃 If the 1st world doesn’t cure its own retardation and raise its own birth-rates then it’ll be swamped and cease to exist.

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Compared to being single would you rather have a provider and have 3 to 5 kids over 20 years?

I’m pretty sure it worked happily for me.. while it lasted.

70percent of women check out after that for no divorce-worthy reason. I think hormones cause half, but there’s also no recognition of joint sacrifice by the men and a ‘grow old together’ contendness

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That divorce thing is a Western phenomenon, mostly. It doesn’t affect me and my SE Asian brides and family.

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what if she dump you and ask for alimony and take custody of the kid? you must carefully select a beautiful 10 , not all of them care for family life.

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What if I do the same to her? LOL

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do the same? children go to their mom! and dad gonna pay for all cost , including the day care! imagine you pay all the cost of a kid, and while he stay in the day care, your ex enjoy banging some hot dude !! all the while, you only have access to the kid on weekends and there will be no bond between you and the kid. never marry a 10 ! marry a 5 and fuck all 10 around ya! i think that’s the best. 10 is not for wifing up! 10 is only for a shot !

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Thoughts of uncertain man. If you marry but will fuck around as result you will divorce.
People should marry if they love bit not because they have to.

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Why would I give money to a woman who did that?! Seriously, do you even have balls?!

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Also, an attractive wife – a 10 – is only more liable to cheat on a man if he’s a loser and not a 10 himself. I don’t have that problem.

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dude, i have the ball to hit on a 10, pump that 10, and dump that 10! and never got married in my life (yet!)

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an attractive wife – a 10 – is not gonna stay and take all bullshits you can deliver to a wife hover around 7. and this is my experience after years of pumping and dumping. it takes less than a day for a 10 to find another 10 and fly to another country just to have few days “rest” (what i do at the moment when a 10 dump her man and need some vacation). be careful with 10 smile

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I saw this happen successfully with an uncle of mine, my aunt was a stunna… but after 9 kids she fucking completely lost it and my Dad was beside himself. God bless her and I love my cousins. But I wish there was some sort of ‘Frame’ women can have that gives her comfort and pride after a big brood. We all would benefit.

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She lost her mind? That’s pretty rare. Probably the exception to the rule: keep your woman at home with the kids and take her out. If she’s not happy, its because she’s a dumb bitch. Spank her until she cries.

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overwhelmed …but a very high capacity woman until the last child. A different ‘wall’ to be aware

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And which each one she pops out she gains 30lbs.

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I’d you are the one buying the groceries, not necessarily. You can control her diet. You can literally put a lock on the pantry. Don’t give her enough money to buy junk food.

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Be careful she would dump you after first baby and behave as you are only a sperm donator! Thinking you will make her pregnant and she will stay with you works only if she has family/church reputation ! otherwise, a normal 10 chick wouldn’t stick to you for the sake of kid. she will take custody, ask for alimony and fuck any a**hole you wouldn’t imagine just to piss you off.

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Yes, the threat is real. However, there are counter threats available.

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what are counter threats? i know few women got pregnant then dump their ex right away and start meeting/F***ing other men. what is the counter att?

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Do you want a slave or woman with whom you want to be happy?

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I tell my wife she is a slave, often. I too am a slave, a slave of Christ. We Christians are all slaves of Christ, as St. Paul clearly explained in the scriptures. Lest you become slave to something else, I suggest you enslave yourself and your house to Christ at once.

I’ll let you in on a secret: women love being a slave to a strong man, it even really turns them on, try calling your wife a slave sometime. Convince her it is true with your actions. Be the master

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I can’t call my wife she is a slave because I am a woman! Ha!
I am a woman, I don’t want to be a slave, I don’t like to be a slave. I like to be loved! I like to give love.
Believe me there are men who want queens but not slaves. To cook for family doesn’t mean to be a slave or something like that. People will treat you as you treat yourself.

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Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness.

~St. Paul, Romans 6

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Ave- amen brother, my ‘idyllic’ LTR the past 18 months same deal. She is religious, but she is now/was the ‘Queen of Bike Nite’ at a local bar…. Jesus literally. Only one night in the summer…right. Lives alone in a condo supported by a bank VP ex

Your analysis of recency and primacy is spot on – guys pay attention. It’s important to know the past of a woman before your Disney heart starts beating

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That cuts both directions. A virginal religious girl with high morals may want to know about Roosh’s past. How is a practicing religious woman going to feel when she reads his bibliography? And if she’s religious, chances are she has a religious father too. How’s her father going to feel about his 18 year old virginal daughter marrying a 40 year old guy player who’s main occupation is writing fornication guides? How many of you in here would be comfortable with your daughter marrying Roosh?

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It’s a good point but I think in the chicken or egg analysis as to what happened first, I think that feminism has driven women to promiscuity which destabilized relationships and makes men not give their hearts and fidelity….statistically.

With over 70% of divorces initiated by women not for infidelity I think that’s proof.

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“Unless a girl can tell you that she rejected a behavior because it went against God, she is lacking a moral code and will make decisions in the future which will cause harm to you and your children”

I agree but not likely you’ll ever find a girl like that today.

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1.I don’t want to create my “replacements” and train them to take my place and give them my all in order to achieve that.
> They carry on your ideals and essence into the future, not replace them. They don’t take your all. They inspire you to be and do more.

2.I would much rather invest my resources in becoming immortal, or prolonging my life and youth for as much as possible.
> As a parent, you will have more incentives to live longer and support your descendants. It becomes your purpose.

3.I am not FOR raising the birth rates of the 1st and 2nd world, but FOR decreasing the birth rates of the 3rd world.
The world needs more 1st world descendants and everyone benefits (1st, 2nd, 3rd). The world is more miserable as the balance shift unfavorably. You, as an individual, have near zero impact on 3rd world population, yet you have huge impact on positive population impact for your community and extended family. Shift the balance, improve the world.

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1.I don’t want anyone else to carry my ideal into the future. I want to carry my ideals into the future. Furthermore, a lot of kids disappoint their parents …
2.The problem is that my descendants need “breathing space” … I would not want to create and train future competitors …
3.I am all for closed borders and treaties that will limit the population growth of Africans, Indians and muslims.

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why do you ask for feedback? You seem clear on intentions.

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Yes my intentions are clear, but immortality is not yet available. So I have this dilemma.
Researches and the honorable James Watson have already found out that it is NOT the way Roosh has portrayed it. Womens’ eggs don’t rot with time. It is the male sperm that carries more and more mutations as the man gets older.

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Why are my comments waiting moderation ?
GUESS YOU ‘RE RIGHT … Free speech does not exist !

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All of this is just mental masturbation. When you find the right girl, it will click. Its almost beyond your intellectual choice at some point. Nature takes over. You may get fucked over down there road, but that’s life. Go ahead and take the next step. Time to reproduce.

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According to the bible only a virgin is worthy of marriage. I’d go even further and say that no woman residing in the US is worthy of a government sanctioned marriage in the United States or children. Feminists and cry bullies have transformed the marriage contract in the US into a pile of obligations for the man with no reciprocal rights. The reward just isn’t worth the risk.

If you think that marrying a religious woman will protect you think again. Religious women like all other humans selfishly respond to incentives. Especially when the stakes are high enough, and there are no higher stakes then the entire life savings of a couple as well as custody of their children.

#NoHymenNoDiamond! #PoppedCherryDontMarry!

“He shall take a wife in her virginity. A widow, or a divorced woman, or a woman who has been defiled, or a prostitute, these he shall not marry. But he shall take as his wife a virgin of his own people.” – Leviticus 21:13-14

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Sure. A virgin who believes in good. Keep deceiving these poor guys Roosh, you are doing a great service to the humanity.

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According to the bible only a virgin is worthy of marriage. I’d go even further and say that no woman residing in the US is worthy of a government sanctioned marriage or children. Feminists and cry bullies have transformed the marriage contract in the US into a pile of obligations for the man with no reciprocal rights. The reward just isn’t worth the risk.

If you think that marrying a religious woman will protect you think again. Religious women like all other humans selfishly respond to incentives. Especially when the stakes are high enough; and there are no higher stakes then the entire life savings of a couple, a large portion of the man’s future income [child support & alimony], as well as custody of their children.

#NoHymenNoDiamond! #PoppedCherryDontMarry!

“He shall take a wife in her virginity. A widow, or a divorced woman, or a woman who has been defiled, or a prostitute, these he shall not marry. But he shall take as his wife a virgin of his own people.” – Leviticus 21:13-14

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What about man – the future father of child? How man must be? What man should do? Why there are no articles about family values and man’s behavior in society? 
According to most articles on this site all women are horrible whores but men are perfect. But after I read comments of men, they are too far from being perfect. 
Western men travel over the world to find sex, cheat on their girlfriend and wives ( what means to cheat on not only wife but also children) but still talk about high values and what women should do. 
More than that lot of men even don’t want to make their main function in society – to be provider of the family. Western men criticize feminism but don’t observe they are filled with it.
Men want easy sex, don’t want to be gentlemens and make effort for relationship. They prefer to go to Asia, EE , Latin America to find more cheap option in order not to make any efforts. 
And in case if women respects herself , demands right behavior from the man, in man’s opinion she is complicated demanding bitch.

I agree that there is a fault of women because women allow to behave with themselves not worthy and what for to make efforts if to find a sex is so easy now. 
But what about love?. Everybody needs love. Everybody wants to be loved. But if you want to be loved you should give love. 
I don’t say all men are bad and terrible. 
If you want to change something in society start from yourself. 
Men should be capable of deeds, keep promises, be responsible for their actions and words. 
Please note that I respect men, I write it not in order to offend somebody but in order people first think about own actions, what you give to the society. 
I would say doesn’t matter if you marry virgin or not. It will not save you from divorce or cheating. 
Matter the personality, intellectual education of person ( man or woman), common goals, love, etc.

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Hire a surrogate you will have better luck

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I’m 32 & in the “lover” category with a 19 y.o. here in Kyiv. No provider b.s. either. strictly lover. While I’m at the marriage age, I can pass for age 25 as women often guess 25-28 with me. So no family pressures ride on me quite yet.
My relationship (not mother) criteria is as follows:
1. She must be between 18-26 years old
2. Her physical attractiveness should be agreeable with features (albeit strange) which I desire. Skinny around the ankles, posture, nose shape. ect.
3, She must display nurturing behavior with her actions & also appearance (i.e. long hair, thin, ect.)
4. She must be feminine
5. She must be of a Christian denomination

Because I am not looking to have the responsibility of a family, sex partners do not matter to me at all. Just so long as she has been STD tested

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What you must do as a man? What can you offer to woman?

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I must make strong eye contact & communicate my energy with my body language & speech. What do I offer a woman? When a woman meets me, she is offered a rare opportunity to spend time with a hot & interesting foreign guy that is fun & will show her an amazing time including some good dick. If she opts against all this, it’s her loss.
I don’t chase ’em, I replace ’em

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Means you can’t offer anything. Only your dick. There are lot of dicks in the world. Woman needs more than dick.

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You don’t need to offer her anything other than what I described above.
I offer good dick. So good, they come back. Is what I don’t do is buy em stupid shit they don’t need. They will then respect me. I know this because I’m living it.

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Tell me please why I should be masculine if I am a woman??? You made me laugh

I think you meet some insecure women.

As a woman I would like to tell you that the dick is the last thing than man can offer to woman. Sex is important in relationship but if there are other options.

Any wise and mature woman will not follow a man only because of his dick. There are lot of dicks in this world. You are not the only one man.

But I think you will not understand what I’m talking about.

Who come back to you? Maybe women also use you for sex like a slut as you use them. But at the same time they look for men for relationship.

According to what you write I can make the conclusion that you can’t offer anything to woman but dick.

Dick is a not a big deal. Dick doesn’t work forever. This is a cruel reality of man’s nature!

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The reality is, dear, I don’t need to offer anything else. This is by design.
You make is sound like a relationship with a “mature” woman is some type of goal to be achieved. Marriage? How does that benefit a man at all? I challenge you to write 1 benefit that gives a man. My women aren’t insecure, they’re just younger than you.

Oh no… that would be sooooooo terrible if a thin woman used me for sex like a slut…please…no…I would be heart broken. (Now you made me laugh)

But believe me, sweetie, they come back.
I don’t take orders, advice or suggestions from women.

You saw I wrote i’m in the “lover category”? Not the “provider” category. I don’t need to offer anything unless I want to offer something.
If there was a woman in the West worth offering anything to, it still wouldn’t be enough any how.

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Would you marry a 5 if you knew she was faithful, religious, devoted, pure, madly in love, wants nothing more than to be a wife and mother, neat and likes to clean and a good cook?
Just turned 35. Been in the game for 10 years and getting tired and bored of the lifestyle. After a hundred or so notches snatches are more or less the same. Struck me recently that the end result of the game is the life of a lonely old man with no children and no legacy. And so I’ve decided to give it up and settle down and find a wife and family. I’m ready.
As discussed, finding wife material is almost impossible like finding a unicorn. I’m not willing to outsource and marry a filipino or russian, that arrangement has its own problems just as prickly as marrying a western girl. They’re worse than western girls imo. Those chicks have their own game and play innocent and cuck their American husbands too. I’ve been propositioned and had my share of foreign wives 20 + years younger than their husbands. Way to show their gratitude for marriage visas.
So here’s my predicament. Been searching for wife material for almost a year and broke up recently with a solid 9 lookswise. She hated to cook, messy car/apt, wants a nanny for kids. Grossed out by her sister’s kids no maternal instinct. Jumps from job to job. She gets jobs because she’s hot but can’t keep it because she’s lazy. So after I dumped her I resonate with advice to look for a 7.
Here’s the thing. My best friend’s little sister is 25, a teacher, never had a boyfriend, goes to church, lives at home with parents, volunteers, is a homebody,is a great aunt to her nieces and nephews, likes to cook and clean and best of all, has been in love with me since she was 5.
She used to carry around a doll that she said was our baby and Would tell everyone that she wanted to marry me. She used to sleep with my football jersey.
I saw her at a barbecue recently and she blushed every time we talked and I teased her. I know in my heart she would be devoted to me and never look at anyone else. Would probably be so grateful to have me that she might look the other way if I had a one nighter every so often.
But there is no question she’s a 5. She is a size 14-16. Pretty face though, her older sister has the same face but is skinny and did pageants/modeling. And the older sister is not an option, she’s a bitch and has a kid.
If i did ask this girl out she would probably faint. There would be a disparity in our looks. I’m fit and I regularly get 7-9.

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1.You shouldn’t marry out of your race, because that grows the number of the mixed, and they will one day become too many and possibly also become politically aware. We have enough problems with the existing races already. We don’t need new races to create new problems …
Furthermore, if white babies aren’t born, the white race will go extinct.

2.Your story is breaking my heart. How about getting her to receive extensive plastic surgery (extreme makeover tv series style). If she is that low on the totem pole, you have a right to feel repulsed.

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That’s the thing she would be beautiful if she was thin but she’s about 60 pounds from scratching that. She is a beautiful person though I’ve seen her grow up. But could I look at that every day. She will probably only get bigger as she gets older.
Will most likely keep looking for my dream girl but I give myself 4 more years and she might not look so bad.

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Here lies the crux after your dating, LTR, or notch count saturates..

Glad you posted. Facing the same situation here. Not new… plenty of oldie (hehe..) pop songs address (Love Stinks, Dr Hook when you’re in love w a beautiful woman).

Q: just ike you frame and debeautify a 7-8 to keep fram…., can you vision w hypnosis help getting her to a size 8 after she’s hooked

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That’s what I’m considering. I could “court” her, get her into shape clean up her diet so she looks decent in a wedding dress and so she feels secure at my side. I’m an 8 or 9 in looks myself and could get her up to a 7 maybe 8. Get her plastic surgery if any loose skin. Yeah everybody says it about fat chicks but she really does have a pretty face (her older sister has the same face but she’s a sloot black sheep of the family).
This girl is so sweet natured and kind she doesn’t seem real. Respects her parents, likes to sew and cook, volunteers with disabled kids.
She’s already crazy about me has been in love with me for 20 years.
Need to make a decision soon I know she won’t be around forever and eventually some beta at her church will marry her if I don’t make a move.
I will get some blow back from my peers and work if I do marry her. I usually date shallow arm candy with predictable results. But that’s the measure of an adult isn’t it to silence that noise. Do what’s best for me in the long run.
Another small obstacle is that her brother and I double teamed girls. we gamed pretty hard in our day. Her family knows about my past and hasn’t said much except a few jokes but might feel differently if i started dating their daughter.

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http://www.medicaldaily.com/muslims-least-likely-engage-premarital-and-extramarital-sex-study-suggests-243190

wont have to wait, open the gates. Chaste relgious women are making secular think the same way.

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Lots of sexual partners for men also means less likely to be faithful in a marriage. That cuts both ways. I doubt a man like Roosh would ever be able to resist the temptation of new pussy 13 years into a marriage. Yet I’ve met Mormon guys that have married as virgins and they don’t seem like the type of guys who cheat or ever had any interest in playing the field.

This list of criteria means you are looking for a unicorn. Good luck finding that in any Western country. Either go MGTOW or move to Iran to find a wife.

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I think if women like yourself would not exhibit tradeup or exit behaviors, men would cool down and stay. Modern western women will only do this…ironically…for bad boy alphas and love the pain thereof.

Good men scourged the past 25y.. and watching decimation of likeminded men.. by tradeup ‘no looking back women’.

Except for Alphas, most men hang in there ‘for worse’ while women except for above badboys check out.

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For any atheists here, there is a flaw with Atheism and human’s need to dictate what should be right or wrong and trying to rule other people like that.

Having a religion where a holy book commands God as ultimate authority and dictate morals to Man and Woman so each of them can live accordingly and not step outside a human sinful boundary. Woman should be kept a strict leash by her Man.

This is the order of Male figure that a Woman needs.

First, it’s the Father and if he is absent, then it’s the Brother (if she has any male siblings). Then she has to be protected by her male family relatives before she is passed on (marries a Man whom her family (her father) approves). Then the Husband has ultimate authority over her.

You notice why the Father walks the daugther to the future husband in the wedding? Yup, it’s the tradition that has worked for many generations. This still goes on even today, that small symbolism shows what worked in the past that still affects today.

Look at Middle Eastern culture on how male family members are so protective of their female siblings/daughters. That’s something Whites and people of all colors should emulate if you do NOT want your daughter, sister, or female relative members to whore out.