Six months after publishing 7 Things I Require In The Future Mother Of My Child, I wanted to make two minor adjustments that refine the list even further.

If you haven’t read the article yet, here’s the original seven points:

1. She must be between 18-25 years old
2. She must have less than three prior sexual partners, though I prefer a virgin
3. Her physical attractiveness should hover around the 7 range
4. Her skin tone should be within two shades of myself
5. She must be feminine
6. She must want to be a traditional stay-at-home mother
7. She must believe in a god

Stronger preference should be given to virgins

I’m increasing the importance on finding a virgin. Sluts will often share the myth that virgins are a bad mate to choose from because she will get curious and cheat on you, but the studies don’t at all bear this out (1, 2, 3, 4). If you are serious about creating a family with a girl, you should heavily weigh her virginal status, because it acts as an insurance policy—though not a guarantee—against impulsive female behavior.

Even if you have found a girl with a low notch count, there is the danger that a part of her heart is still set on another man from a previous relationship. Even though she is firmly in a relationship with you, dealing with an emotional widow will cause you problems down the line, especially since it’s common for a girl to keep “in touch” with exes.

It is ideal to have a girl who is clean both physically and emotionally, without any lingering baggage that can hurt your future family. Only a virgin can provide this.

A nominal belief in God is not enough

I thought that a girl believing in God was sufficient in having a girl with a strong moral code, but I have discovered that it is not. Your future wife must get beliefs and behavioral guidance from her book of worship. In other words, she must opt out of certain acts solely because God commanded her to.

There are millions of girls in Europe who “believe in God” but do drugs, lie, cheat, and have countless sexual partners. Don’t let her “spiritual but not religious” belief system fool you into thinking that she actually allows the word of God to tame her destructive female nature.

Unless a girl can tell you that she rejected a behavior because it went against God, she is lacking a moral code and will make decisions in the future which will cause harm to you and your children.

Beware of very beautiful women

I wanted to stress point number three on my original list that a girl should not be too beautiful. Now that the leftist anti-beauty cult has ravaged so many women into looking like disgusting beasts, the remaining beautiful women are getting unfathomable amounts of attention, more than legitimate female celebrities from a generation ago. The wolves will always be circling your beautiful girl, and while tight game can prevent her from straying, at least in the short-term, a non-virgin without a strict moral code will eventually succumb to the call of excitement and novel pleasure. She is human, after all.

I’ve come to learn that even in medium-sized cities, a girl of high beauty is hit on constantly and persistently by a replenishing supply of players and orbiters. Short of moving to a little village or locking her into a dungeon, there isn’t much you can do to prevent it. The more beautiful your girl, the more you’ll have to trust her, but this is close to impossible if she has a loose past and a lack of morals.

Conclusion

It may be obvious to you that I’ve thought about having kids. My focus is not so much on her aesthetics or token behaviors but her history and values. The problem is that very few women have values that exceed even prostitutes of old, especially in the West where the dominating institutions are helping shove slime and rot into her very core. If you meet a girl who hits all seven items on my list, you potentially have a great mom on your hands.

Read Next: The United States Of Broken Women

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anon1
anon1
4 years ago

Good points, though i think guys are going to naturally have a hard time with the last one lol. Its a SMV reality though, the hotter she is, the more access there is for her to cheat, by guys just popping up.

I have a french gal who is one of my college friends and very beautiful (grew up in a small village etc), we did a group skype chat with all of us, and i shit you not during the call she got hit on OUTSIDE HER BEDROOM WINDOW by a guy, because it was a sunny day and she had it open.

Literally someone probably heard the french accent noticed how hot she was and started talking to her, that she had to very politely dismiss.

I still think many newly red pilled men still do not realise just the extent to which high value women get hit on, its kind of astonishing

spicynujac
spicynujac
4 years ago
Reply to  anon1

There was some social media app I was using for a while, that let you see how many girls were “liked” by dudes. It was absolutely sickening to see fat 6es with over 1,000 fans in a small town of like 30,000. I can only imagine what attention an attractive woman receives. Thirst is out of control and guys are all chasing the same top 5% of women.

In order to meet a virgin in the west, you must marry her young, almost certainly in her teenage years. I don’t have a problem with that per se, but the social shaming and the difficulty in meeting and dating these types of women if you are considerably older makes it very hard. Whereas in traditional countries like Latin America and Asia your age works in your favor, as you are seen as a stronger, mature provider than some 20 year old kid with a community college degree.

Hubert Cumberdale
Hubert Cumberdale
4 years ago
Reply to  spicynujac

Yup. In the west, people despise the notion of a man being anything more than 4 or 5 years older than his bride.

In Latin America or Southeast Asia the spread can go up to more like 15, which is the way I would intent to go, “if” I ever get married.

Confused GenXer
Confused GenXer
4 years ago

And she has no problem with me being 12 years older than she is. She likes it actually …

Confused GenXer
Confused GenXer
4 years ago

Hubris Cumberbatch, I have found exactly the woman described by Roosh. But I don’t want to have kids because:
1.I don’t want to create and raise my replacements
2.I prefer that immortality is discovered, so that we can chill
What do you think about my predicament ?

anon1
anon1
4 years ago
Reply to  spicynujac

what was the app? sounds very sobering

spicynujac
spicynujac
4 years ago
Reply to  anon1

Actually I’ve scored a number of lays off it, both domestically and abroad, and it’s the only site that’s worked well for me (I won’t do tinder) and it’s kind of greedy of me but I don’t want it to get ruined by announcing it publicly on a PUA site. It’s not one of the major apps, but if you just search on the app store for some social meeting apps, try a few. It’s not labeled a dating app per se, but just a way to find friends. Also, some friends like OKCupid, although I only see fatties and single moms on there.

anon1
anon1
4 years ago
Reply to  spicynujac

this isnt a pua site lol, but fair enough. is it on android or the istore?

spicynujac
spicynujac
4 years ago
Reply to  anon1

If I could tell you in a PM I would. It’s on the istore and it’s a blue icon on a white background 🙂

anon1
anon1
4 years ago
Reply to  spicynujac

c

anon1
anon1
4 years ago
Reply to  spicynujac

awesome thanks fella!

spicynujac
spicynujac
4 years ago
Reply to  anon1

Good luck, So far all the bangs off there have been foreigners (exchange students in US and locals when I’m travelling). Most of the local American chicks on there are just old or unattractive. I was talking to a hot 19 year old white chick but I didn’t get her actual number fast enough and move the conversation off the app. Like I said, girls are getting bombarded with dozens of messages a day, so you must isolate them quickly. It’s the equivalent of getting them away from the bar and into a quiet corner or different venue.

I now have 2 strategies. One for local sluts–get number ASAP, line up date, go for bang. One for girls abroad, mass message some, maintain some basic rapport with them over a few weeks before you visit, much more likely to result in The Girlfriend Experience.

anon1
anon1
4 years ago
Reply to  spicynujac

i was reading some reviews and they said a lot of random nigerians apparently use the service to troll with fake profiles, is that true?

Will definitely consider using when abroad though 🙂

spicynujac
spicynujac
4 years ago
Reply to  anon1

Every social media service I’ve ever seen is full of fakes. I saw a youtube the other day about how if you pay facebook for “likes” they pay these people in third world countries to click “like” on your site–of course they will never be customers and don’t even live near your business so it’s a complete scam, and it’s all done by facebook itself. So yeah, beware. That being said, I’ve never chatted to fake African trolls.
My M.O. is I talk to 2-3 girls in a country I’m about to visit, do some video chats with them and stuff before hand, already start a mini relationship so that when you arrive they aren’t hopping in bed with a total stranger. Hell, I enjoy the Total GF Experience just as much as the sex part… these ladies treat you like men are supposed to be treated.

Confused GenXer
Confused GenXer
4 years ago
Reply to  spicynujac

Spicy Ninja Nutsack of Hanzo the razor,
I have found the girl of Roosh’s dreams but I am unwilling to impregnate her, because :
1.I don’t want to create and raise my replacements
2.I would prefer that immortality were found, so that I can chill
What do you think about my predicament ?

Induced Triggering
Induced Triggering
4 years ago
SoggySock.com
SoggySock.com
4 years ago

Womens sole purpose is to be inseminated and give birth to her mans children. That is why she was put on this earth.

123
123
4 years ago
Reply to  SoggySock.com

Why man was put on this earth?

66Scorpio
66Scorpio
4 years ago
Reply to  spicynujac

I was having a talk with a colleague/friend here in China and he was saying that it is actually quite unusual to have a big age discrepancy. To really have access to the 18-22 market here you have to be under 30 and speak the language to get in on the ground floor.
As a man in his 40s whose Chinese sucks, the market is made up of women about 30 years old who have been through two or three relationships. No virgins are to be found, but no raging skanks either. I had a couple of dates with an 18 year old, and that was completely surreal, but ultimately did not go anywhere.

Confused GenXer
Confused GenXer
4 years ago
Reply to  anon1

Guys I have found a woman like that, who matches that proposed by Roosh profile 100%. BUT I don’t want to have kids, because :
1.I don’t want to create and raise my replacements.
2,I would prefer that those scientists finally find immortality, so we can chill

anon1
anon1
4 years ago

accept death and never forget it can happen at any time. people chasing immortality are fools. the most you can rely on after your death is your legacy, your kids and who you helped. and even then it doesn’t last too long.

Confused GenXer
Confused GenXer
4 years ago
Reply to  anon1

What is your opinion on my predicament ?

jakedanger
jakedanger
3 years ago
Reply to  anon1

If you marry her, knock her up quickly.

Mel
Mel
3 years ago
Reply to  anon1

You got a French chick? Nice

anon1
anon1
3 years ago
Reply to  Mel

You’re old and in an old thread.

I didn’t ‘get’ a French chick. Shes my friend.

But judging from your spray of comments you’re either playing fem troll or you’re an actual one which is just more curiosity inducing.

Sev
Sev
3 years ago
Reply to  anon1

I’m an old fem troll, who loves men and believes in equal rights. And I also like old threads. I even like old music, like the Beatles.

Sev
Sev
3 years ago
Reply to  anon1

I’m an old fem troll who loves men and believes in equal rights. I also like old threads. I even like old music, like the Beatles.

Edit: I wish that the mass populous thought I was old, so I would have been able to rent a car sooner.. because honestly, mine sucks. Really badly. I can freely admit this.

Sev
Sev
3 years ago
Reply to  Sev

And senior citizen discounts would be spectacular. But I don’t feel I’ve earned the right to that discount. I have a lot of learning to do.

Sev
Sev
3 years ago
Reply to  anon1

I tried to be nice in my reply. But I thought about it:

By the way, on a more serious note, I feel like half the dudes on here get rejected so much- not only because of their limiting toxic views that take any individuality and identify away from women and men, but because they’re just dicks.

Because of this, they place age limits on women, and come up with crazy reasons why they have to travel to date women. I don’t know you, but if you’re not like this, it’s safe to say someone else on here is.

Saying a 25 year old man or woman, who was in high school 7 years ago, probably when you were already a grown ass man, and who is barely legal to rent a car, is old, is completely crazy and bitter.

Also, you act like aging is a shameful thing, and disregard the respect we should give older people.

There’s nothing wrong with wanting to only date people barely out of high school or college, but being straight up illogical and disrespecting old people, and a whole group of women who probably just didn’t want to date you is ridiculous. Also, it’s disrespectful to my dear 18- 24 year old friends who have the right to individuality and not to be baby making meat.

Also, not everyone who meets and falls in love with a woman over 30 is a beta. People fall in love.

But FYI, it was actually because you’re a limiting dickhead who doesn’t see people as humans with their own rights.

Duh.

Not wasting my time on this any longer. Good luck to you.

The Quintessential Man

I agree with most of your points but the “she must believe in a god” one is kind of excessive and the “beware of the very beautiful women” one shows insecurity.

With regards to the first, I am an agnostic, but I do respect religions. That said, extreme attachment to a religion is a sign of lack of intellect and this will seriously create friction within your relationship.

With regards to the second, if she is around the 7 range it means that while she gets older, she will fluctuate between a 4 and a 6. That will inevitably result to a loss of attraction. 8-9 is what you need to aim at and make sure that you constantly communicate to her that you are the best available option out there. Hot women can be easily influenced if you know how to control the frame.

Army Officer (Ret)
Army Officer (Ret)
4 years ago

Not every religious person I know is brilliant, and not every idiot I know is an atheist, but as a rule: nearly every really good thinker I know (and I’ve encountered many) is fairly- or deeply-religious. Every atheist I know – without exception (and I’ve encountered a lot) – is a [email protected]$$. There may be exceptions, but neither personal experience nor observations in our culture have given me any reason to doubt the truth of Psalms 14:1: The fool has said in his heart, “There is no God.”

William
William
4 years ago

The smartest atheists in the popular media often have some of theirs views hidden or blocked to keep the general atheist population dumbed down. Hitchens was pro-life. Sam Harris and Dawkins are very negative on Islam while admitting that Christianity has superior traits.

Proud American Buddhist Yogi
Proud American Buddhist Yogi
4 years ago
Reply to  William

Sam Harris practices Buddhist meditation religiously. Dawkins respects Vedanta and other Indian/Hindu dharma systems.

AmicusC
AmicusC
4 years ago

clinging to an atheists are smarter myth is all that gives most of them any sense that they have inherent value. without claiming they are the smartest around they would have to acknowledge that they are simply empty vessels taking up space and contributing little to the world around them.

positron1
positron1
4 years ago

There are truly intellectual atheists out there, like Umberto Eco and Arthur C. Clarke. One thing I notice about them is that they have a deep understanding of religious belief and the sources of faith and are capable of respecting it, rather than childishly deriding it as “believing in an invisible friend in the sky.”

john
john
4 years ago

There’s massive amounts of research demonstrating that religiosity has a strong inverse correlation with both intelligence and total years of education. Do you understand what that means?

Confused GenXer
Confused GenXer
4 years ago
Reply to  john

The only position is Agnosticism.

Army Officer (Ret)
Army Officer (Ret)
4 years ago
Reply to  john

I understand quite well (apparently better than you do). It means that the longer a person is indoctrinated in a certain belief system, the more likely he/she is to believe it.

When schools start acknowledging the weaknesses of the atheist/naturalist position, then we can talk. As a Christian I had contrary views shoved down my throat for the 19 years I was in school from my first day of kindergarten to the last day of my master’s program. I know the atheist side far better than most atheists do, because I scrutinized it rather than accepting it as a matter of faith like atheists do. I did something the vast majority don’t do: I weighed the evidence from BOTH sides based on their own arguments. A person cannot consider him/herself educated on a topic unless he/she has heard from the other side in their own words (not just what your side says about the other side). The average atheist/naturalist has been taught atheism/naturalism as if it was Holy Writ, and has never even been told that it has huge gaps and weaknesses, much less what those gaps and weaknesses are. No wonder “educated” people believe what they’re told what to believe.

By the way, take a look at what goes on in colleges today, and tell me another one about what “intelligent and educated” people believe.

Untergang07
Untergang07
4 years ago
Reply to  john

it seems your research ignore the hundreds of scientist and inventors that created our modern world and were openly religious or had a belief in a supernatural power, even without belonging to a religion. Besides, how can your research be taken seriously if the average atheist is a tumblerina?

kelley
kelley
4 years ago
Reply to  Untergang07

your scientists and inventors may have created “things” in our modern world, but they did not create the modern world, or the old one, for that matter…….air, sun, sea and land cannot certainly be credited to humans

grumpyjohn01
grumpyjohn01
4 years ago
Reply to  john

‘religiosity’ is not a word

animal_kingdom
animal_kingdom
3 years ago
Reply to  grumpyjohn01

It actually is bro…

kelley
kelley
4 years ago

very well said, sir

Tom Dane
Tom Dane
4 years ago

7,8,9..doesnt matter, once they hit the wall, they all drop to 1

Hubert Cumberdale
Hubert Cumberdale
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Dane

and the former 9’s become the most depressive. Because they finally realize all the attention, all the party invites, all the excuses for her cunty behavior, all the paid for dinners and drinks, all the free holiday invitations from well-to-do men, had to do with the fact they were just a hot piece of ass.

Nobody really gave a flying fuck about them and they secretly despised her as such. And now even all those illusions are gone as those same men are chasing the new generation of 23-year-olds.

Tom Dane
Tom Dane
4 years ago

Sometimes I wonder if women have the ability to think years ahead…it’s pretty obvious what is going to happen, all they have to do is take a look at any wall victim.

Robert D'Arensbourg
Robert D'Arensbourg
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Dane

And once you ‘hit the wall’ you won’t be able to get it up anyway, even with a 10. I have found that daily preparation of quality food is more important than sex with my wife. Our kids are in college, and her $100K input per year trumps any orgasms I might be experiencing. I am retired, and live on investments, but I work as hard on my property as I ever did for someone else. My wife was a 27 year old virgin when we met in church, and I was barely more experienced, so I guess it worked out OK. I am devoted to her in so many other ways. One day, maybe societal collapse will require me to become sexually active again ‘for the good of the species’, and its survival. I better stay in shape, because I might just have to bite that bullet with some young hardbodies.

Confused GenXer
Confused GenXer
4 years ago

When did you lose the ability to have sex every day of the week ?
And when did that turn to a couple of times a week ?
And when to 1 time a week ? …
And when did you lose it ?

Robert D'Arensbourg
Robert D'Arensbourg
4 years ago

You will stay confused until you grow up, or die by starvation, whichever one comes first. My money will be on you starving to death, GenX. I will still be able to perform when you grow up.

Confused GenXer
Confused GenXer
4 years ago

Robert, totally humiliating you would be an easy thing to do. After all, you can’t get it up, while I sport an 8” erection.

BUT … The issue is “Change”.
You need to understand, that the reason you ‘re impotent now, is because you didn’t invest or pushed society to invest in DNA research; research which would have provided solutions to your impotence.
IT IS NEVER TOO LATE !!! Start investing NOW in aging research.

Albert Giesbrecht
Albert Giesbrecht
4 years ago

8 inches eh? You might want to visit your neighbourhood bathhouse.

Confused GenXer
Confused GenXer
4 years ago

Rob you ‘re contradicting yourself, because impotent rage has taken hold of you.
You say : “I have found that daily preparation of quality food is more important than sex with my wife” = you have no sex drive left
You also say : “will require me to become sexually active again” = which implies that currently you ‘re not …

REMEMBER to send a donation to these institutions that study DNA …

Robert D'Arensbourg
Robert D'Arensbourg
4 years ago

You are confused, because you cannot read well. It is my wife that is all out of energy. Creole cooking makes up for keeping my marriage vows, at least until a new patriarchal morality kicks in. As in college, when I was a sperm donor for money, I will ‘take one for the Gipper’, and share my genetic code with confused GenX bimbeaux, as their female clocks start running fast. You won’t be able to provide for the tribe, and fall to Beta male status.

Induced Triggering
Induced Triggering
4 years ago

It’s a deliberate tradeoff either way. You have to choose either the “highs” of new partners, or the warmth and closeness of a long term wife.

For me I’ve made the deliberate choice to get married to someone who is a natural housewife because it covers all of my basic emotional and physical needs….and I can dedicate most of the rest of my energy to achieving success in other areas I’ve deemed important.

Proud Buddhist Yogi
Proud Buddhist Yogi
4 years ago

Sperm donars have an age requirement and you’ve already aged out decades ago. Keep cookin’!

kelley
kelley
4 years ago

for what it’s worth, mr robert, i have noticed, at different times in many of these conversations, how many wannabes set their hair on fire when confronted with true alpha male behavior……as for me? you’re preaching to the choir…..no need to defend yourself here

Induced Triggering
Induced Triggering
4 years ago

Keep in mind that a “10” is hardly a flat, fixed number. There’s a lot of average looking girls out there who know how to market themselves as “hot” at the club, and I’ve also run into some extremely good looking women who don’t generally do it and you’d dismiss as average….until you see them all dressed up for a formal event.

Robert D'Arensbourg
Robert D'Arensbourg
4 years ago

Roosh, please write a follow up to ‘Free Speech’, and let these little boys understand that I stood up for their right to such long before they could speak at all. What I read in responses here are the musings of erect penile tissue. “You can’t get it up”, “My dick is bigger than yours”, “you are no longer fertile”. These are all simply a puerile rhetoric, excuses for breaking the Mosaic commandment to ‘honor thy father and mother’. It takes a grownup to marry a virgin these days, and the great majority of you millennial bantam cocks will never find one to share honor with.

Uncle Maffoo
4 years ago

“With regards to the second, if she is around the 7 range it means that while she gets older, she will fluctuate between a 4 and a 6.”

Look up “wife goggles”.

spicynujac
spicynujac
4 years ago

Why do you want a woman with high intellect? Have you ever met a woman with high intellect who possesses logic and can be intellectually stimulating to talk to? Is this what you seek in a life partner?

No way in hell I would wife up an 8 or higher. That’s just asking to be divorce raped at some point in the future, and I don’t want to be babysitting her 24/7. A solid 6.5-7.5 who remains thin and feminine, and most importantly behaves in a loving, caring, nurturing, submissive way, is far more attractive to me. If you want to wife up supermodels, go for it, and let us know how that works out in 10 years. One could write a whole article on why LTR or marriage with a very attractive woman is bad, but I’ll name a few: high maintenance, needy, demanding, will want lots of money to maintain her appearance and lifestyle (makeup, a nice car, designer clothes, etc.–all stuff I disagree with on principle), narcissistic, shallow, and when her looks fade you will have lost a lot more than if you married a pleasant, kind, thin loving wife that was and still is attractive.

positron1
positron1
4 years ago
Reply to  spicynujac

I’ve met a few, very few, women I’d consider true intellectuals. None were American, all were communists.

Brutus Maximus
Brutus Maximus
4 years ago
Reply to  spicynujac

Sure a solid 6-7 who’s a 9-10 in bed, I wouldn’t mind

Bendys
4 years ago
Reply to  spicynujac

You are conflating beauty with high intellect. They rarely come together.

clockworkelves
clockworkelves
4 years ago

You could kill two birds with one stone by finding a girl that actually values her virginity, but isn’t that the ostensible “unicorn” these days?

jz95
jz95
4 years ago
Reply to  clockworkelves

You’re not going to find her in America or Europe. That’s certain.

Army Officer (Ret)
Army Officer (Ret)
4 years ago
Reply to  jz95

I’m with elves on that one. I came of age in the 1980s, and screwing around was even more common then than it is now. (Link to CDC data http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db209.htm). I was routinely told that I would never find anyone to meet my “unrealistic” standard of being a virgin. They were wrong then and they’re even more wrong now. I know several marriage-age women who were virgins in my generation and those that followed. I know a few of them now. That’s not to say that your average bride has a notch count of zero, but quite a few do. Of course that ALONE is not sufficient to make a women wife-material, and some of them are unsuitable for other reasons – but they ARE out there. (That doesn’t fix the problems of marriage 2.0, of course… my point is that virgins in the marriage market are not as rare as unicorns).

Confused GenXer
Confused GenXer
4 years ago
Reply to  jz95

I HAVE found her !
Please read above the long text which I have posted about the girl that I have found, who is the ideal girl for marriage according to Roosh, and give me your opinion with regard to my predicament.

Confused GenXer
Confused GenXer
4 years ago
Reply to  clockworkelves

I would like your opinion on my predicament :
I have found a girl that hits all of Roosh’s points.
However I don’t want too have kids with her because :
1.I don’t want to create and raise my replacements
2.I would prefer that immortality were found,so we could all chill.
What do you think about my situation ?

Omglikewowlol
Omglikewowlol
3 years ago

Bluntly. You are wasting her time. Dont be an asshole. Let her find a guy who will raise a family with her. Seriously, why do you think she’s holding out for marraige?

123
123
3 years ago

How old are you? Why do you ask an opinion of people here you don’t know.
If you don’t love her why to be with her?

Zoso
Zoso
3 years ago

What do I think?
You are insecure.

Brock Robinson
4 years ago

And still have to watch out for the “everything but” virgins. The girls who somehow made it through college without giving it up so they decide to just hold out for marriage. But as a consolation, they have oral and anal sex every other weekend

positron1
positron1
4 years ago
Reply to  Brock Robinson

I once briefly dated a Christian girl who had never given up her pussy but had sucked off fifteen guys before me. Pretty big * beside that “saved myself for marriage” claim, I’d say.

Brutus Maximus
Brutus Maximus
4 years ago
Reply to  positron1

that 15 cocks stare…

Bendys
4 years ago
Reply to  positron1

Yeah.. the anti-Christian smear brigade.. the little talmudists are everywhere.

positron1
positron1
4 years ago
Reply to  Bendys

Heh. Is the implication that I’m Jewish? I’d always heard of such things but never experienced it in real life, so I might not have believed it before either. To be honest her denomination was very liberal, with gay clergy and whatnot, but she was definitely Christian.

Bendys
4 years ago
Reply to  positron1

The implication is that you are also an @ssh0le, but hey, this whole site is a sewer, so it doesn’t really matter.
Why would a girl, any girl, pleasure so many stinky guys without even getting anything in return ? Think about it when you make up stories.

positron1
positron1
4 years ago
Reply to  Bendys

It would behoove you to learn how sexual attraction between human beings actually works. It’s not pleasant, and you can choose to ignore reality, but you can’t choose to ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.

Bendys
4 years ago
Reply to  positron1

Prostitution has nothing to do with sexual attraction, and bragging has nothing to do with real life. Cheers.

positron1
positron1
4 years ago
Reply to  Bendys

Who said anything about prostitution? I loathe prostitution. First I’m Jewish, now this?

My advice about learning how sexual attraction works stands. You’re in for a world of hurt if you continue in your delusions. I speak from personal experience.

Yahya
Yahya
4 years ago
Reply to  Bendys

For a whole lot of reasons. Among the biggest reason is sexual exploration and validation from high status men.

Bendys
4 years ago
Reply to  Yahya

BS. That’s not sexual exploration, it’s prostitution . No woman in her right mind would do that. It’s just a myth invented by [email protected]
“High status men” ?
Oh, please.. 15 stinky dicks is 15 stinky dicks.
Only the losers on this site can believe in this kind of crap. Maybe if they behaved more like human beings they would be able to get a woman in real life.

Shmalkandik
Shmalkandik
4 years ago
Reply to  Bendys

Evidence?

Confused GenXer
Confused GenXer
4 years ago
Reply to  Shmalkandik

Shmal Dik, I have found the kind of girl that Roosh talks about. However, I do not want to have kids with her. The reason being that I do not want to create and raise my replacements. I would much rather be immortal and chill.I think the scientists have a shot at making it happen.
What do you think about my situation ?

Bendys
4 years ago
Reply to  Shmalkandik

The proof is in the pudding.
Edit: Your own comments show that you are one of them.

Confused GenXer
Confused GenXer
4 years ago
Reply to  Bendys

Bendy I have found a girl exactly as Roosh describer her, but I have no interest in having kids with her because :
I would much rather prefer that immortality were found so I can chill forever
I don’t want to create and raise anyone.
What do you think of my predicament ?

Bendys
4 years ago

Son, trolls are no earthly good whatsoever, and there are already legions of them; but.. what the heck – go forth and multiply yourself.

Murkywater
Murkywater
4 years ago

Your problem is that if you actually want a virgin girl who follows religious teaching, she would never marry you, just to be honest. Fornicators deserve fornicators. This post is the pinnacle of hypocrisy. Are you going to convert to Islam? Christianity? Will you renounce your past or continue to make money on your Bang books? You have lived Haram and have promoted Haram, and now you think you deserve purity. Wake up.

Army Officer (Ret)
Army Officer (Ret)
4 years ago
Reply to  Murkywater

Very true. When I was dating my wife and it was clearly moving toward marriage, she asked me about my n-count. I told her it was zero (for religious reasons… not for lack of opportunity). I asked her the question back, and her answer was the same. We’ve been married for 28 years. If I had told her that I had dozens of conquests and had written books about banging sluts that would have been the end of the relationship immediately. Smart, pretty, pure, girls aren’t interested in players, and can see right through them.

[Edit. Before anyone says I got played, I have two words: bloody sheets.]

anon1
anon1
4 years ago

Bloody sheets? All I’m thinking is period blood and it’s making me feel sick

lololol
lololol
4 years ago

“Smart, pretty, pure, girls aren’t interested in players, and can see right through them.”

LOL. With pronouncements like that, I not surprised at the zero notch count.

This sort of ultra-uxorious sentimentalism is one of the worst qualities of modern America and the Anglo-West. It’s exactly why women are… as they are… today: masochistic enabling (usually Churchian or Progressivist) pedestalizers.

Army Officer (Ret)
Army Officer (Ret)
4 years ago
Reply to  lololol

If you think there aren’t non-slut women out there who can see through “game” like a plate glass window, you haven’t been paying attention. Even the biggest game-slinger gurus admit it’s a numbers game, with dozens, or even hundreds of approaches for every “bang.”

“Game” concentrates the parts of masculinity that women react to most readily. But if you have the whole package, why settle for a subset?

[Edited to fix an inadvertent double-negative]

Confused GenXer
Confused GenXer
4 years ago

Attention Officer,
I have found the girl that Roosh talks about, BUT I don’t want to have kids with her. Why ? :
1.I don’t want to create and raise my replacements
2.I am waiting for the scientists to discover immortality so I can chill forever.
What do you think of my predicament ?

Army Officer (Ret)
Army Officer (Ret)
4 years ago

What do I think of your predicament? I’m sorry to say that I think you’re probably screwed (unless your girl is okay with not having kids, absent which your desire to remain child-free is likely to be a deal-breaker for her). My wife and I were child-free before it was cool (she’s barren anyway, as it turned out, so the point was moot), so everything turned out fine for me/us. That said, a married man with children is living his life under a legal and cultural Sword of Damocles and handing his wife a pair of scissors. About 1/3 of them will use them (based on the fact that about half of all marriages end in divorce and the wife is the one who pulls the plug most of the time). A childless husband has a lot less to lose, which means a childless wife has much less leverage over him.

My point to all this was NOT to say that Marriage 2.0 is a good bet if you find a girl who checks all the blocks – even if she’s okay not having kids. Marriage 2.0 is nuts, but right now it’s the law of the land. The question is, “Is this girl worth the risk?” I think Roosh is saying that unless she meets all the criteria he listed the answer is, “No.” I agree… and my list is even more tight than his is. If she does meet all the criteria and you determine she’s worth the risk… “caveat emptor.”

Then again I’ve been married for 28 years. That means two things: 1) the data I have that comes from PERSONAL experience is dated (although female nature hasn’t changed one whit). One the other hand: 2) I’ve successfully been around the block a lot more times the average guy who comments here. Which of those two factors you think is more relevant is up to you.

Caggybear
Caggybear
4 years ago

>:( you lied to your beloved wife, you piece of shit! (to be fair, she probably lied to you about her head count, too. lmao)

Army Officer (Ret)
Army Officer (Ret)
4 years ago
Reply to  Caggybear

I can see why someone would lie about his/her n-count to a prospective spouse, but why would I lie HERE about it? That makes no sense at all. Anyway, it’s not like a poor farm-girl in the 1980’s could have gotten hymen-reconstruction surgery (the procedure didn’t even exist back then).

Can’t fake THAT.

With few exceptions:
No hymen, no diamond – Popped cherry, don’t marry.

Caggybear
Caggybear
4 years ago

I’m talking about how both you and your wife were embarrassed about how many people the two of you had sex with before you were married.

Army Officer (Ret)
Army Officer (Ret)
4 years ago
Reply to  Caggybear

Reading is fundamental. I know my n-count was zero (and I know it wasn’t due to lack of opportunity), and an intact hymen means that I also know that hers was also zero (also not due to lack of opportunity). I’m not sure why that is so hard for some people to comprehend. Some people actually live by their principles.

Caggybear
Caggybear
4 years ago

but you admitted to lying to her first, so why wouldn’t your wife do the same?

Army Officer (Ret)
Army Officer (Ret)
4 years ago
Reply to  Caggybear

When did I admit to lying to her? Do you have me confused with a different commenter?

Edit. Obviously I know my what my n-count was (I was celibate). Also, I know she was n=0, because an intact hymen doesn’t lie.

sasha
sasha
4 years ago

you heard about hymen surgery? also its a dumb symbol.

Franciscanesta
Franciscanesta
4 years ago

FYI, 10% women were born without hymen and 30% women have elastic hymen, so this kind of hymen can’t get popped up easily (in some cases in the hospital i’ve workedin, the hymen was popped while giving birth) and will not have bloody sheets during the wedding night.
But you can make difference between real virgin girls and fake ones, along with real rape victims and fake ones.
Real virgin girls naturally feel shy to get naked at front of a man, and she will fidget (now you have to learn to recognize the real and fake fidgeting). But first sex is usually painful for women, with
About real rape victims (especially virgins) they are so reluctant to open the clothes and legs at front of the doctor during visum et repertum process (and they do fidget) maybe because of the trauma, while the fake victims would just open the clothes and their legs very fast to make the process faster.

Roosh
4 years ago
Reply to  Murkywater

I won’t start a family with a girl who doesn’t meet my standards. I can die “alone,” it’s okay.

Murkywater
Murkywater
4 years ago
Reply to  Roosh

🙁

Yahya
Yahya
4 years ago
Reply to  Murkywater

Yeah, I feel pretty bad for Roosh for a lot of reasons.

Hubert Cumberdale
Hubert Cumberdale
4 years ago
Reply to  Roosh

I’m perfectly fine dying “alone” and just mildly disappointed that I didn’t have a wife or children, rather than marrying a 30 notch count pre-30 year old where I may eventually get divorce raped and watch my 1 or 2 children turn into tattoo and media-zombie degenerates from relentless cultural marxism.

Not to mention being pressured into paying for a daughters useless university degree while she get’s double teamed by the Football team’s running back and defensive lineman.

Find that unicorn, or just keep enjoying the bachelor life and your hobbies, banging Tinder sluts, traveling, or whatever floats your boat. Don’t settle for a disaster waiting to happen

manuel hernandez
manuel hernandez
4 years ago

Same here. I’m only 32 and I’m still operating under the assumption that I might still get married and have children, which I wouldn’t mind very much. However, after a disastrous engagement which took years and energy out of my life, I’ve been single for four years. Admittedly, the first two was to get my finances and my “emotions” back in working order. Now I’m getting back into my more mellow lifestyle, getting back into my hobbies, trying to relearn how to play piano again, trying new cooking recipes, learning carpentry, etc. Now, basically, I’ve made a pact with myself: I I don’t marry by age 40, I’m getting a vasectomy.

Hugo
Hugo
4 years ago

As much as I feel what you’re saying, the point you guys are missing is what having children and being a father brings to your life. Yes, there risks but, nothing in the world is better than having a fullsome relationship with YOUR children.

Tom Dane
Tom Dane
4 years ago

That is indeed a bleak scenario..

Hubert Cumberdale
Hubert Cumberdale
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Dane

It’s just a natural reaction to the very poor options were are presented with. I’d wish things could be better, but I’m not voluntarily walking towards a mediocre marriage, corrupted kids, and a financial time-bomb.

Tom Dane
Tom Dane
4 years ago

I completely understand you.

yolomofo
yolomofo
4 years ago
Reply to  Roosh

The question is are you capable of and willing to pay the price to get your prize? A devout Christian woman will accept no less than a Christian man who really believes in God (who not merely sees Christianity as a useful social behavior regulator), and derives his conduct from his faith in God’s word, to be the leader of her hearth and home. Can you actually come to believe in something you don’t really believe in right now, only cause that belief is a useful means for you (to get a devout young virginal wife)? Do you see the problem now Roosh, and the mental gymnastics it entails?

Not to mention having to completely change your life to not make your income from books promoting bangs and find another calling.

If you can’t do the aforementioned minimum, then in this matter, regardless of your other virtues, you are no different from the entitled Anglo woman with her perfect man laundry list who isn’t willing to change herself to be within striking distance of that ideal partner.

Which path is yours then – the iron price or forgoing marriage?

anon1
anon1
4 years ago
Reply to  yolomofo

Disagree regarding the devout Christian woman bit.

I have a friend who is a full on evangelical Christian, literally believes the text as is, goes every Sunday, has that holy vibe about her, doesn’t curse, very polite etc.
Her long term boyfriend is an agnostic jew.

And when I say she is devout I mean it, in every respect she’s very religious. She did start getting him to eat ham which made me awkwardly laugh.

Just because a woman is religious does not mean she can’t follow her heart. And if a guy stimulates that aspect of her, she can keep her faith and he gets a great woman. Though presumably the kids would have to be religious

Army Officer (Ret)
Army Officer (Ret)
4 years ago
Reply to  anon1

This is going to sound a little “No True Scotsman”-like, but bear with me and I’ll explain why it’s not. Evangelical Christianity (Bible-based) has a lot to say about marriage. There are two things that mitigate against your characterization that she’s as devout as she appears IF SHE MARRIES HIM. The first is that the wife is under the authority of her husband, and she cannot submit to a man who isn’t a Christian in that area (see 1 Corinthians 14). The second is found in 2 Corinthians 6:14 which states that Christians are not to be “unequally yoked” with unbelievers, and that includes marriage (there are exceptions made in 1 Corinthians 7 if one member of an unbelieving couple becomes a Christian AFTER they are already married). The act of going into marriage to a non-Christian is simply forbidden to Christians of either sex. Obviously I don’t know these people, but it may be that the reason he’s a “long-term boyfriend” rather than a “husband” is because she knows she can’t marry him (speculation on my part, but it fits a pattern).

In any case: she’s playing with fire.

Little Bo Peep
Little Bo Peep
4 years ago

It’s not at all difficult to convert to any church.

Army Officer (Ret)
Army Officer (Ret)
4 years ago
Reply to  Little Bo Peep

(Note: I’m not shouting by using caps – there’s just no way to italicize in this format to show that I’m stressing those phrases.)

There are three different things to consider. One can CLAIM TO BE A CONVERT to a religion simply by saying the words… that’s easy, and one can then begin attending the religious observances of that religion. JOINING A CHURCH usually requires some action before one is accepted into membership… that can take months in some cases, and often requires some sort of catechism classes and a public profession of faith. CONVERTING TO A NEW RELIGION is a level far beyond that, since that means BOTH actually accepting the truth claims of the new religion AND rearranging one’s life to conform to those beliefs.

Little Bo Peep
Little Bo Peep
4 years ago

Yeah, but it’s not hard, only time consuming. I mean, I’d convert to Amish in a flash for the right girl. It doesn’t mean a lot of changes wouldn’t have to be made, but it’s do-able.

TomGrey
4 years ago

For most believing women in love, the most important part is the last of the above: “rearranging one’s life to conform to those beliefs.”

Of the things to consider, physically going to Church with the woman, and later the children, is most often enough. Our Christian family goes with other families to a week long camp and a couple of the men are non-believers, but by acting as believers act, and supporting the church going, they satisfy the belief needs of the women.

Insofar as “God is Good”, it is actually difficult to believe consistently in “Good & Evil” without some kind of belief in God.

The key belief for a good marriage is faithfulness — be an alpha male yet not cheat on your wife. Then you can have a happy wife, a happy marriage (WITH other problems, often including money), and pretty good kids.

My own trick when seeing a hot babe — quick fantasy with her, then switch the fantasy to star my wife as the object. It does help that she’s still hot; which was a good thing 22 years ago that she was 13 years younger.

Perhaps Married Man Sex Life is a better site for these ideas than an alpha-male Pick Up Artist site, where the goal is to be a successful womanizer. (Or a wannabee womanizer.)

Jed Mask
Jed Mask
4 years ago
Reply to  Little Bo Peep

Convert to CHRIST not the “church” sir. Amen.
~ Sincerely,
Bro. Jed

Little Bo Peep
Little Bo Peep
4 years ago
Reply to  Jed Mask

Only if I’m given incentive in the form of fertile wombs. Hell, I’d convert to Allah for enough brides!

Jed Mask
Jed Mask
4 years ago
Reply to  Little Bo Peep

Wrong *self-serving* mindset sir… Heart’s not in the right place. Amen.

Little Bo Peep
Little Bo Peep
4 years ago
Reply to  Jed Mask

Cock’s in the right place, though…

Confused GenXer
Confused GenXer
4 years ago
Reply to  Little Bo Peep

Little Red Corvette,
I have found the type of girl Roosh is talking about. However I am not interested in having kids with her, or with any other woman for that matter. Why ? :
1.I do not want to create and raise my replacements
2.I am hoping the scientists discover immortality so I can chill forever …

Little Bo Peep
Little Bo Peep
4 years ago

You want reproductive failure and a miracle “cure” for the purpose of being alive. How is this relevant? It’s a little dumb…

Confused GenXer
Confused GenXer
4 years ago
Reply to  Little Bo Peep

What do you think about my predicament ?

Little Bo Peep
Little Bo Peep
4 years ago

What predicament where?

Jed Mask
Jed Mask
4 years ago
Reply to  Little Bo Peep

No need to share the “condition” of your genitals sir. No homo. AMEN!

Confused GenXer
Confused GenXer
4 years ago
Reply to  Jed Mask

What do YOU think about my situation ? . . . read above

Jed Mask
Jed Mask
4 years ago

Hello sir… I’m not sure where you may have commented earlier or what you’re trying to ask me but God-willing, if I find your comment I’ll give you the best response I can.
Hope you are doing okay. Amen.
~ Sincerely,
Bro. Jed

Rita
Rita
4 years ago
Reply to  anon1

If she was so devout she would not be sleeping with anyone before marriage in the first place, so what are you even talking about pal.

anon1
anon1
4 years ago
Reply to  Rita

who said she was sleeping with him? i said he was her boyfriend

Confused GenXer
Confused GenXer
4 years ago
Reply to  yolomofo

If she’s Christia she will forgive you, if you ask for forgiveness. Jesus taught her that.
Jesus also taught the people of Europe to take invaders in …

Proud American Buddhist Yogi
Proud American Buddhist Yogi
4 years ago
Reply to  Roosh

Are you willing to convert to Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Sikhism, Hinduism or any other religion and strictly follow its tenents in order to get that wife, Roosh? Is not, why not?

Giorgi
Giorgi
4 years ago
Reply to  Roosh

You never actually had much of a chance of starting a family to begin with. It is like an obese 40 year old woman saying she does not need a man, who does not meet her ludicrous “standards”. Pathetic.

Confused GenXer
Confused GenXer
4 years ago
Reply to  Giorgi

It is like saying that sinners can be saved. What kind of a fuck up would do that ? Oh yeah, your Lord and Savior Jesus. Do you believe in God ?
If you do, you ‘re contradicting yourself.

Jed Mask
Jed Mask
4 years ago
Reply to  Roosh

For your word’s sake perhaps you can “die alone” without having a wife and family…
Even so, you’re just wanting it “all your way” and not in the mindset of actual MARRIAGE. Can’t have it your way? You don’t want it. Period. AMEN.
~ Sincerely,
Bro. Jed

Confused GenXer
Confused GenXer
4 years ago
Reply to  Roosh

Please Roosh read my post about the girl I have found who fits the description of the ideal girl perfectly. I would like to add that I am 12 years her senior, and that she not only has no problem with that but she likes it. Please feel free to ask any questions you would like to ask. I am looking for opinions on my predicament.
Thank you

Confused GenXer
Confused GenXer
4 years ago
Reply to  Roosh

Dear Roosh,
I have found EXACTLY the type of girl you ‘re talking about.
However I do not wish to have a family with her. The reason ?
1.I do not want to create and raise my replacements.
2.I hate being replaced. I am hoping that immortality is discovered so I can chill forever.
What do you think about my predicament ?

123
123
4 years ago
Reply to  Roosh

What are your standards?
Can you meet woman’s standards? Or.. What can you offer to woman as a man?

Rita
Rita
4 years ago
Reply to  Roosh

I’d like you to die alone, the sooner the better in fact 😊 There are some relatively painless suicide methods out there, you should definitely Google!

DerWeltenbummler!
DerWeltenbummler!
4 years ago
Reply to  Roosh

Exactly!

There are already enough unhappy relationships out there, why create another one?

Shadowninja
Shadowninja
4 years ago
Reply to  Roosh

Marrying is half your deen. My advice, for what it’s worth, settle well, if necessary.

Uncle Maffoo
4 years ago
Reply to  Murkywater

A slight issue with this: women who are virgins do have attraction for a man who has some experience, as long as the partner count is fairly low and they were LTRs. If you’re a male virgin, especially past age 25 or so, you risk being viewed as the “loser who couldn’t get laid”, whether or not that was really the case, and the virginal unicorn will be inclined to hold out for someone more “exciting.”

Confused GenXer
Confused GenXer
4 years ago
Reply to  Uncle Maffoo

What do YOU think about my situation ? . . . read above
I would like to add here, that this woman has addressed the fact that we do not have sex, and showed some kind of understanding if I were to have some other woman for sex (which I do of course).
She stated however with some complain, that she “would like to be the only one”.

Proud American Buddhist Yogi
Proud American Buddhist Yogi
4 years ago

I think your situation is AWESOME Confused GenXer! Keep doin’ you, man. Keep doin’ you!

Tom Dane
Tom Dane
4 years ago
Reply to  Murkywater

There’s different rules for men and women because we are different. It is just the way of things. Don’t let feminism fool you.

murkywater
murkywater
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Dane

Yes there are different rules, but the same general morality applies. If she is a devout religious person, she would understand that a man has a right to take more than one wife, and she would understand that this same right does not apply to her. However, a man who takes a second wife must do so in the prescribed way. I’m not fooled by feminism. I think you might be fooled by hedonism.

Tom Dane
Tom Dane
4 years ago
Reply to  murkywater

I dunno. I never saw the point of chasing pussy like a Gambian tourist (God bless their horny hearts). Way too much time wasted, way to many hangovers.

Proud American Buddhist Yogi
Proud American Buddhist Yogi
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Dane

“I never saw the point of chasing pussy like a Gambian tourist”

You mean the American, Canadian and Northern European women who do sex tourism in Gambia?

Tom Dane
Tom Dane
4 years ago

I’m not sure, what is your point ? It sounds like you are mad at something but I can’t figure out what.

Jed Mask
Jed Mask
4 years ago
Reply to  murkywater

Agree with many of your earlier points HOWEVER under the New Testament Laws of CHRIST a Christian man can marry only ONE WIFE in his life and can ONLY REMARRY again if his wife dies sometime in their marriage.
THAT’S biblical. THAT’S TRUTH. Amen.
~ Sincerely,
Bro. Jed

Army Officer (Ret)
Army Officer (Ret)
4 years ago
Reply to  Jed Mask

“under the New Testament Laws of CHRIST a Christian man can marry only
ONE WIFE in his life and can ONLY REMARRY again if his wife dies
sometime in their marriage.”

— Citation needed (quoted from the New Testament, obviously). —

Jed Mask
Jed Mask
4 years ago

Yeah, sure if you want. It’s true that a man/woman can marry only ONE PARTNER and CANNOT marry multiple partners.

A husband/wife can ONLY REMARRY if his/her spouse dies in the duration of their marriage. Whether the husband and wife are separated or *divorced* they cannot “marry another” person because it becomes ADULTERY.

Only and ONLY if said husband/wife’s spouse dies in the marriage can that husband/wife be granted liberty to choose to marry someone else; but only a fellow Christian if the husband/wife was a believer to begin with.

________________________________________

KJV 1 Corinthians 7,

{7:1} Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto
me: [It is] good for a man not to touch a woman. {7:2}
Nevertheless, [to avoid] fornication, let every man have his
own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
{7:3} Let the husband render unto the wife due
benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.
{7:4} The wife hath not power of her own body, but the
husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of
his own body, but the wife. {7:5} Defraud ye not one the
other, except [it be] with consent for a time, that ye may
give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together
again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency. {7:6}
But I speak this by permission, [and] not of commandment.
{7:7} For I would that all men were even as I myself. But
every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this
manner, and another after that.
{7:8} I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is
good for them if they abide even as I. {7:9} But if they
cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than
to burn. {7:10} And unto the married I command, [yet] not
I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from [her] husband:
{7:11} But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or
be reconciled to [her] husband: and let not the husband put
away [his] wife. {7:12} But to the rest speak I, not the Lord:
If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be
pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. {7:13}
And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not,
and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.
{7:14} For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the
wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband:
else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
{7:15} But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A
brother or a sister is not under bondage in such [cases:] but
God hath called us to peace. {7:16} For what knowest thou,
O wife, whether thou shalt save [thy] husband? or how
knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save [thy] wife?
{7:17} But as God hath distributed to every man, as the
Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I
in all churches. {7:18} Is any man called being
circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any
called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.
{7:19} Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is
nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
{7:20} Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he
was called. {7:21} Art thou called [being] a servant? care
not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use [it] rather.
{7:22} For he that is called in the Lord, [being] a servant, is
the Lord’s freeman: likewise also he that is called, [being]
free, is Christ’s servant. {7:23} Ye are bought with a price;
be not ye the servants of men. {7:24} Brethren, let every
man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God.
{7:25} Now concerning virgins I have no commandment
of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath
obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful. {7:26} I suppose
therefore that this is good for the present distress, [I say,]
that [it is] good for a man so to be. {7:27} Art thou bound
unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a
wife? seek not a wife. {7:28} But and if thou marry, thou
hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned.
Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare
you. {7:29} But this I say, brethren, the time [is] short: it
remaineth, that both they that have wives be as though they
had none; {7:30} And they that weep, as though they wept
not; and they that rejoice, as though they rejoiced not; and
they that buy, as though they possessed not; {7:31} And
they that use this world, as not abusing [it:] for the fashion
of this world passeth away. {7:32} But I would have you
without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for the
things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord:
{7:33} But he that is married careth for the things that are
of the world, how he may please [his] wife. {7:34} There is
difference [also] between a wife and a virgin. The
unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she
may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is
married careth for the things of the world, how she may
please [her] husband. {7:35} And this I speak for your own
profit; not that I may cast a snare upon you, but for that
which is comely, and that ye may attend upon the Lord
without distraction. {7:36} But if any man think that he
behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass
the flower of [her] age, and need so require, let him do what
he will, he sinneth not: let them marry. {7:37} Nevertheless
he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity,
but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his
heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well. {7:38} So then
he that giveth [her] in marriage doeth well; but he that
giveth [her] not in marriage doeth better. {7:39} The wife is
bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her
husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she
will; only in the Lord. {7:40} But she is happier if she so
abide, after my judgment: and I think also that I have the
Spirit of God.
__________________________________
Amen.
~ Sincerely,
Bro. Jed

Army Officer (Ret)
Army Officer (Ret)
4 years ago
Reply to  Jed Mask

Yes… I’m well aware of what 1 Corinthians Chapter 7 says, and what it does not say. None of that is in dispute. But I specifically asked you for a scripture reference that backs up your assertion that the New Testament forbids a man from taking multiple wives. At the risk of repeating myself, do you have any scriptures to back that assertion up?

Jed Mask
Jed Mask
4 years ago

…Already gave ya da Scriptures… You know the deal. 😛
I don’t have to provide anything more lol. Just admit it: you wanna be “validated” so you can go ahead and “marry” multiple wives like in Old Testament times and do like king David, Solomon ‘n ’em did? You CANNOT and SHOULD NOT marry more than ONE WIFE *if* you actually want to OBEY GOD in this. PERIOD.
I’m not gonna “validate” your own “personal agenda”. I couldn’t truthfully even *if* I wanted to. What you do is on YOU. Smh… quit on with the show sir. Amen.
~ Sincerely,
Bro. Jed

Army Officer (Ret)
Army Officer (Ret)
4 years ago
Reply to  Jed Mask

“…Already gave ya da Scriptures…”

We both know that you did nothing of the sort, and you’re not much of a mind reader, either. I have no desire to take a second wife (my specific vows forbid it even if I wanted to, since they included the phrase “forsaking all others”). My only “agenda” is to stick with what the scriptures ACTUALLY say, which has nothing to do with what you or I would like them to say. I simply asked you to back up your assertion from scripture, and you have failed to do so (because you can’t). Have a nice day.

Jed Mask
Jed Mask
4 years ago

…. Hmmm… Well, it’s good you stick to God’s Word in accordance to being the husband of ONE WIFE. Good deal…
May the Lord Jesus Christ BLESS you, your wife and your marriage greatly in His ABUNDANT GRACE! Amen!
~ Sincerely,
Bro. Jed

Army Officer (Ret)
Army Officer (Ret)
4 years ago
Reply to  Jed Mask

That passage of scripture only enumerates the qualifications for deacons and elders… do you wish to add other people to the list? If you don’t think God does a good enough job of conveying His intent, you might wish to revisit the concept as laid out in Deuteronomy 4:2 and 12:32, as well as Revelation 22: 18-19.

Look, I’m not saying that monogamous marriage is not generally BEST (it generally is), but I AM saying that there are no GENERAL Biblical PROHIBITIONS against a man having more than one wife (although a man who has more than one wife may not hold the office of deacon or elder according to 1 Timothy chapter 3 and Titus chapter 1).

I’m neither a deacon nor an elder, and I do not consider myself qualified to be either as I have no children. No matter because, as I said, I couldn’t take a second wife even if I wanted to (I don’t), because my wedding vows contained the phrase “forsaking all others.”

In any case, let us each continue to strive forward toward a more perfect understanding and walk. In the meantime, I for one, have beaten this horse to death… you may have the final word if you wish.

Jed Mask
Jed Mask
4 years ago

“Look, I’m not saying that monogamous marriage is not generally BEST (it generally is), but I AM saying that there are no GENERAL Biblical PROHIBITIONS against a man having more than one wife (although a man who has more than one wife may not hold the office of deacon or elder according to 1 Timothy chapter 3 and Titus chapter 1).”

Under the NEW TESTAMENT of what our Lord JESUS CHRIST spoke and taught He meant for “a husband and wife” meaning SINGULAR. NO MULTIPLE spouses.

God PROHIBITS marrying multiple partners as wives or husbands. Amen: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Family/Marriage/sacredness.htm

~ Sincerely,

Bro. Jed

Army Officer (Ret)
Army Officer (Ret)
4 years ago
Reply to  Jed Mask

“He meant for “a husband and wife” meaning SINGULAR. NO MULTIPLE spouses.”

I’ve been on the road and didn’t see your response until now, but I’m always leery when someone claims to know what a passage of scripture “means” other than what it actually SAYS. That’s a very dangerous habit to get into. By the way, you repeatedly saying “Amen” (“so be it”) doesn’t make it so.

Jed Mask
Jed Mask
4 years ago

Yeah it do. Don’t make it “hard” sir… For instance, CHRIST Himself is coming for HIS BRIDE the CHURCH meaning ONE WIFE so under New Testament doctrine that superceeds Old Testament in effect, a man or woman is ONLY permitted to marry ONE SPOUSE at a time.
Only when that one lifetime spouse dies in Christ the Christian widower/widow is allowed to remarry a new wife/husband IN CHRIST. Amen.
~ Sincerely,
Bro. Jed.

Confused GenXer
Confused GenXer
4 years ago
Reply to  murkywater

It looks like you want to take away pleasure from everyone. It looks like you ‘re everybody’s evemy. Are you ? Do you want to tell us how we live our lives and keep us from enjoying women ?
Why not have a birth ratio of 2 women for 1 man, so that there can be an abundance of women a man can find as a virginal bride, as well as an abundance of sexualy liberated women a man can find for sex.

Rita
Rita
4 years ago

Hm, so far I see abundance of horny men with zero empathy and no respect for women. You might have a daughter one day man,you have a mother. Think about them when typing shit like that. Disgusting.

positron1
positron1
4 years ago
Reply to  Murkywater

Not at all true in my experience.

Confused GenXer
Confused GenXer
4 years ago
Reply to  positron1

What do YOU think about my situation ? ……. read above

positron1
positron1
4 years ago

Couldn’t find it. I was just saying that a good girl virgin will not necessarily be turned off by your higher notch count. In fact, I’d say probably not. My wife was a virgin when I met her and while my notch count is nowhere near Rooshlike, it’s into the double digits at least, which doesn’t bother her at all.

Confused GenXer
Confused GenXer
4 years ago
Reply to  positron1

I have found the girl that Roosh is talking about. She hits ALL points mentioned. However I do not want to have kids with her or with any other woman for that matter. Why? :
1.I do no want to create and raise my replacement
2.I am hoping the scientists will discover immortality, so I can chill forever
What do you think about my predicament ?

positron1
positron1
4 years ago

Maybe if you’re feeling excessively noble you could avoid putting a notch in her and move on, if it’s not too late.

The immortality thing sounds pretty unlikely, but what do I know?

Conrad Stonebanks
Conrad Stonebanks
4 years ago

How many lightyears do I have to travel to find a virgin?

Tom Dane
Tom Dane
4 years ago

0.000000001…they exist in rural areas of Thailand, Philippines or similar. But good luck finding them in the west.

Conrad Stonebanks
Conrad Stonebanks
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Dane

Sucky sucky 5 dolla

Tom Dane
Tom Dane
4 years ago

Those are hardly virgins

positron1
positron1
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Dane

Don’t forget central America. That’s where I found mine.

Confused GenXer
Confused GenXer
4 years ago

Not much actually. Please read above and tell me your opinion on my situation.

A.V. Yader
A.V. Yader
4 years ago

If a woman doesn’t believe in God, then she believes in something, and whatever that something is—it’s inferior to God. This is a big deal, and it took me a long time to realize it, too, Roosh; same with the virginity thing. I’ve also noticed that women who are religious without being virgins are the absolute best at hiding their pasts. They’re very used to lying, manipulating, and concealing their true selves—they’ve been hiding their activities from their friends, family, and church throughout their whole lives. Bullshitting is second nature to them. Religious girls without in tact hymens are to be viewed with just as much suspicion as the tequila shot slamming, fake tittied slattern down at the saloon.

When it comes to virginity, I’ve always viewed it like this: If I can convince myself without a doubt that I’m the best a woman has had—in absolutely every way—then I can overcome not being her first, but I’d have to be second or at the very worst third. Any more than that and you’re just a statistic regardless of how great you are. It’s hard to take down two guys in a fist fight, even if they’re both a couple of pussies; it’s the same when it comes to taking down two men in a woman’s mind—you’re going to fall short somewhere. One on one you can probably pull it off if you can out fuck, out earn, and out game the other guy; you have to be better looking and funnier and more interesting and more talented, too. It’s a tall order… speaking of tall—you better be taller than the other motherfuckers, too.

This means there’s always going to be doubt; there’s always going to be that nagging feeling that your falling short somewhere. And it’s true, you’re always falling short in that one spot, regardless: being number one. You can never be that guy—he will always have gotten there first. The only way to guarantee being the best is being the first. If you’re going to put all your eggs in one basket and hang your hat with just one woman, you have to guarantee that you’re the best; you have to get there first. There’s just no other way around it.

Roosh
4 years ago
Reply to  A.V. Yader

You got it. In fact, a girl having slept with only one ex that she loved deeply may be worse than if she had 10 one-night stands, because an emotional connection was formed that does transfer into doubt during the relationship, and could result in her seeking him out again.

Colonel Gunter Brumm 2
Colonel Gunter Brumm 2
4 years ago
Reply to  Roosh

If I may interject with an alternate perspective.

Im 45, I have a son. 12yrs old. I agree about finding a suitable woman but they are generally very fucked up so tick tock tick tock.

My advice-
Select a solid egg donor, High IQ, longevity etc. 5-10k
Select a solid surrogate- 25-30K, extra 10-20K for hyper nutrition.
9 months later- baby
Nanny for 5 years- 25K a year until kindergarten

Basically less than the cost of dating some girl for a year.
My son has an IQ in the 130s, top of his classes academically and is a disciplined self motivated drama free solid man that i have been able to raise logically with out some bitch countermanding my orders etc. Its really not that hard at all.

OldGuy
OldGuy
4 years ago
Reply to  Roosh

Exactly what happened to me after 18 idyllic months with a very giving religious woman …but she had a bad boy before me and when he went with another new woman she fucking lost it… and I was left ejected. I’m going to interrogate for this right away going forward…

My only current advice and conclusion is spin plates. Like you said …tap into the flowing oil wells that are modern women, but get out as they dry up.

Confused GenXer
Confused GenXer
4 years ago
Reply to  OldGuy

Please read above, where I have posted a long text about the kind of woman I have found, and tell me your take on my predicament.

Confused GenXer
Confused GenXer
4 years ago
Reply to  Roosh

Confirmed. If a woman ever had a deep emotional relationship with another man, you will have to outdo him in pretty much everything. Who would want such hard work ?

The woman I am talking about has never had such a relationship with any other man. I am very interested in your opinion on my predicament. Here is a man who has found the Holy Grail, but does not want it.
Needless to say, that this woman initiates contact, and tries to help me anyway possible, when I need her help.

Confused GenXer
Confused GenXer
4 years ago
Reply to  Roosh

Roosh is it not much better to contribute in reversing aging, so we can live forever, instead of creating the kids that will replace us, thus wasting resources on that, when they could be used to sponsor the discovery of immortality ?

Rita
Rita
4 years ago
Reply to  Roosh

Whoaaaaa what’s happening here, some honesty at last! So it really is a tragically deep level of insecurity on your part that drives all this misogyny. You don’t need a 18 yo Virgin Marry, you need therapy man. Or just kill yourself, as I’ve suggested earlier.

Induced Triggering
Induced Triggering
4 years ago
Reply to  Rita

So tell me. Is it “insecurity” to refuse an investment opportunity in penny stocks or Amway?

Hubert Cumberdale
Hubert Cumberdale
4 years ago
Reply to  A.V. Yader

Where them Stage 5 Clinger Virgins At! Gimme One! 😀
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14ZO1b3T6jo

rhasa1
rhasa1
4 years ago
Reply to  A.V. Yader

agreed about being the first.
and then there is always that ‘nostalgia’ about how things could have turned out with the other idiots when it gets a little difficult with you

adsdim
adsdim
4 years ago
Reply to  A.V. Yader

Spot on! A woman always want to be sure that you have “chemistry” (aka provide tingles). This means that she will always compare her feelings that she is getting from you at the moment with the feelings that she got from other partners in the past. So, if she had several strong emotional connections with other partners, it is really hard to match up even if you are objectively (in looks, attitude, status etc) the best she ever had. If a man wants to marry, his must find a woman that is either a virgin or low notch count (She should not have passed the rubricock threshhold: the sufficient number of partners until she finds her first chad that gives her extreme tingles and then dumps her, after him she is a lost cause…)

Confused GenXer
Confused GenXer
4 years ago
Reply to  adsdim

Tympanism, even though I have found the kind of girl Roosh is talking about I consider it a waste of resources to make kids and raise instead of sponsoring the discovery of immortality. So that makes me NOT want to have kids with this woman even though she is the perfect wife material.
What do you think about my predicament ?

OldGuy
OldGuy
4 years ago
Reply to  A.V. Yader

Ave – good to see you in the skies again, my man…

All true. I don’t want you guys to go Cymbalta on me though. I’m wondering if any woman has a half a brain (I know… I know…) to get the message of this primacy/recency thing through Jedi mind tricks or something. Again, the women of the 60s and 70s (hags now agreed) were promiscuous as hell … some proud but many discrete… and ‘some’ did end up in 30y marriages only to divorce guys like me without Game. You guys stand a better chance.

I know – I know…. women are fuckng morons.

Caggybear
Caggybear
4 years ago
Reply to  OldGuy

are you speaking from experience here? lmao

Confused GenXer
Confused GenXer
4 years ago
Reply to  A.V. Yader

I prefer the Batman quote from Batman begins :
“Swear to me !” …
I am interested in a woman who believes in me, who believes that I AM her God. I can be her God, and I can offer much more than any God can.

TSK
TSK
4 years ago
Reply to  A.V. Yader

Trying to find virgin in today’s world is like digging through trash and expecting to find diamond, ruby and 24 Karat gold. LMAO.

Lunostrelki
Lunostrelki
4 years ago

Very good about the believe in god bit. People without faith are liable to suddenly discover that screwing others over is okay when the situation calls for it, and explain their crime based on some leftist social justice mechanism.

William
William
4 years ago

An agnostic fiance becomes a rabid anti-church atheist wife. Oh, but not anti-mosque, just anti-church. Atheist wives target one religion. Plus they’re not aware nor agree with Dawkins, Sam Harris, Hitchens and many other famous atheist scholars on how religions differ and the contributions or lack of for each.

Proud American Buddhist Yogi
Proud American Buddhist Yogi
4 years ago
Reply to  William

Sam Harris says Jainism is the best religion. I tend to agree, although I’m a Buddhist myself. Buddhism and Jainism borrowed heavily from one another but I think I might be transitioning fully to Jainism sometime in the near future. I like its essentialism.

Brutus Maximus
Brutus Maximus
4 years ago
Reply to  William

Atheist, scholar ? oxymoron of the day !

Missy
Missy
4 years ago

I think it was The Illimitable Man (I think, I’m not 100% sure) who wrote on Reddit’s TRP a while ago that a woman believing in God is nice, but if her feminized pastor starts telling the congregation that blow jobs are immoral, well, no more blow jobs for you. She’ll put God above you.

Couldn’t she just believe in her man and her man’s moral authority?

advancedatheist
advancedatheist
4 years ago
Reply to  Missy

I don’t understand why men would accept oral sex from women any way. Women offer to do that as a passive-aggressive form of rejection – anything to divert a man’s penis away from their vaginas.

Missy
Missy
4 years ago

Oh.

GoingSane
4 years ago

I don’t know about that, from personal experience I’ve been given head throughout the interaction, some girls like to lick their fluids off, others like the submissiveness that can come with the act even going so far as to gag themselves, but then (more on your line) there have been some who believe it gives them some sort of control, I’m not a big fan of that type.

positron1
positron1
4 years ago

Crazy talk.

Confused GenXer
Confused GenXer
4 years ago

“To some a dream; to others a nightmare.”
Some girls do it to show their adoration. Some do it to finish you off without opening their legs (they may also use their hands).

clockworkelves
clockworkelves
4 years ago
Reply to  Missy

Your salvation is by faith and not works. The saved and unsaved sin but sin has a different impact on either group. Blowjobs are by definition, sodomy. Which is more important, obeying God or being physically gratified by a blowjob? Sin always takes you further than you wanted to go.

Army Officer (Ret)
Army Officer (Ret)
4 years ago
Reply to  clockworkelves

Re: classifying oral sex as a sin.

-citation needed-

clockworkelves
clockworkelves
4 years ago

Sodomy is a sin in the Bible and the definition of sodomy encompasses oral sex. Just look it up in a dictionary.

Army Officer (Ret)
Army Officer (Ret)
4 years ago
Reply to  clockworkelves

I couldn’t care less about how a dictionary written in 2016 defines a word – I care about what the word meant at the time the scripture was written. Is sodomy defined as a sin in scripture? Sure. Is oral sex a form of sodomy in scripture? Citation needed.

I’ll add the caveat that it would fall into the broad category of “porneia” for people who aren’t married.

clockworkelves
clockworkelves
4 years ago

I couldn’t care less how you couldn’t care less. If that’s a pointless rabbit hole you want to go down, go for it.

Army Officer (Ret)
Army Officer (Ret)
4 years ago
Reply to  clockworkelves

Me? I’m not the one who brought it up. You made an unsupported assertion and I asked for a relevant citation. If you want to bow out, that’s fine. I have nothing further to add.

clockworkelves
clockworkelves
4 years ago

Unsupported in your eyes. And if it’s unsupported in your eyes, go look it up. If it’s some sort of weird standard that you’re holding me to, the I want nothing of it.

Army Officer (Ret)
Army Officer (Ret)
4 years ago
Reply to  clockworkelves

The “weird standard” I’m applying is a pretty simple one… and it’s the same one Christians have been using since the end of the apostolic age nearly 2000 years ago: If you’re going to say that something is a sin (wrong in the eyes of God), it’s incumbent on you to be able to support your assertion in scripture, since that is the only universally-accepted collection of what constitutes God’s will among Christians. By saying, “Doing X is a sin” you are saying, “Scripture forbids the performance of X.” But we both know that it doesn’t.

Proud American Buddhist Yogi
Proud American Buddhist Yogi
4 years ago

Oral sex is a sin in Catholicism. Don’t know about Orthodox Christianity. Either way, its pretty gross. YMMV

positron1
positron1
4 years ago

Do you have a reference for oral sex being a sin in the Catholic church? I honest researched it once and couldn’t come up with a definite answer either way.

Army Officer (Ret)
Army Officer (Ret)
4 years ago
Reply to  positron1

I’m not Catholic, but I’m pretty sure Yogi is correct. The way I’ve heard it is that anything sexual that CANNOT result in pregnancy is forbidden (sometimes Catholics will – incorrectly – use the word “sodomy” to describe all such activities). That’s the reason Catholics can’t use any method of birth control other than the Rhythm Method (affectionately referred to as “Vatican Roulette”). The vast majority of Catholics in Western nations ignore that particular doctrine, though.

Of course it depends on who’s the pope at any given time. Paul VI over-ruled a council of bishops in the 1960’s who recommended lifting the ban, and Francis recently caused a firestorm when he said that poor families “Need not breed like rabbits,” but declined to elaborate further. Catholics believe that the pope gets to speak for God, which is why Catholic doctrine shifts back and forth all the time on all sorts of subjects.

positron1
positron1
4 years ago

But I want a specific statement from the church itself that says “no oral sex.” I’ve never found one.

Army Officer (Ret)
Army Officer (Ret)
4 years ago
Reply to  positron1

Ah… got it. It took some digging, but here’s a link that explains the doctrine and notes the source documents from Catholic theology. (http://www.catechism.cc/articles/QA.htm). “Humanae Vitae” is the latest official written doctrinal statement that addresses the topic as far as I know.

In a nutshell: “Humanae Vitae” specifies that any sex act must meet all three of the following criteria: marital, unitive, and procreative.

Brutus Maximus
Brutus Maximus
4 years ago
Reply to  positron1

not part of the ten commandments for sure, can’t be that bad!

Bendys
4 years ago

Catholic doctrine doesn’t shift at all.
The Masonic popes do, like those two you mentioned.

Army Officer (Ret)
Army Officer (Ret)
4 years ago
Reply to  Bendys

Popes and councils have changed official Catholic doctrines countless times.

Bendys
4 years ago

No, they haven’t. Not even Vatican II dared to do that, and tried to introduce the reforms by the back door through “pastoral” instructions for the priests and bishops.
Not even the last Synod (affectionately called the Sodomy Synod by the Catholics) was able to do that.
That’s why pope Fiasco is getting his knickers in a twist.

Army Officer (Ret)
Army Officer (Ret)
4 years ago
Reply to  Bendys

You’re seriously going to stand behind the transparently false assertion that Catholic doctrine has NEVER changed?

http://www.bible.ca/catholic-flip-flops.htm

Bendys
4 years ago

That’s not doctrine. Those are rules of practice.

Army Officer (Ret)
Army Officer (Ret)
4 years ago
Reply to  Bendys

That’s what is known as “A distinction without a difference.” Never mind – your beliefs are unfalsifiable. You claimed that Catholic doctrine doesn’t change, then when I give a VERY partial list of dozens of such changes (including some very significant changes to theology that have little or nothing to with “rules of practice”), you just moved the goalposts and said that THOSE changes aren’t “doctrinal.”

See “No true Scottsman fallacy.”

You: Catholic doctrine never changes.
Me: Here’s a list of dozens of examples of Catholic doctrine changing.
You: Those aren’t real doctrines.

Bendys
4 years ago

It’s not MY beliefs, as I am an agnostic. Which doesn’t prevent me from seeing when somebody like you is trying to pull the wool over my eyes. Your site is a scandal site, nothing to do with theology. And yes, those are rules of practice. A change of baptism from immersion to sprinkling is a change of a rule of practice. If the CC had stopped believing in baptising in the name of Christ – THAT would have been a change of doctrine.

The internet is full of discrediting sites, one sillier than the other. Most of them belong to the talmudists, in their war against the rest of the world. Christians are the first ones they’re after, but then it will be the others’ turn.

Army Officer (Ret)
Army Officer (Ret)
4 years ago
Reply to  Bendys

Your STATED belief is that Catholic doctrine doesn’t change. That has nothing to do with being agnostic.

So you don’t like the site I picked… fine. Pick any of the dozens of other sources (including official Catholic ones) that show the same doctrinal flip-flops. I just picked that one because it provides a list of those changes that you claim didn’t happen. Are you disputing that the items they published – WHICH ARE OFFICIAL CATHOLIC DOCTRINE – are invalid because you label any source that doesn’t conform to your beliefs as a so-called “scandal site?”

As for doctrinal changes: are you REALLY going to say that the RCC going from allowing priests to marry, then forbidding them to marry, (adopted in 1139) is NOT a change in doctrine? Are you suggesting that viewing Mary are the normal human female who gave birth to the messiah… and then elevating her to the Godhead as a co-redemptrix (Pope Benedict XV) is not a change in doctrine? Are you going to say that the doctrine of papal infallibility (adopted in 1870) is not a change in doctrine? Those and dozens of other doctrinal changes are available from multiple sources. The only person whose credibility is gone in this argument is you, since you clearly don’t know anything about Catholic doctrine.

Bendys
4 years ago

Calm down. You are spewing a lot of NONSENSE, but even if you get mad it’s still NONSENSE.
So far you have produced ZERO EVIDENCE to support your claim.

Allowing priests to marry is also a rule of practice, NOT DOCTRINE. I really have to question your level of intelligence, since you are not able to differentiate between so very obviously different things.

Pope Benedict XV did NOT elevate Mary to the rank of co-redemptrix. There is NO such doctrine in the Catholic Church.
So stop embarrassing yourself and go study some more before trolling.

Army Officer (Ret)
Army Officer (Ret)
4 years ago
Reply to  Bendys

I should have stopped when I first pointed out that your beliefs are unfalsifiable – no amount of proof will suffice to budge you from your untenable position. Your petulant screeching at me just reconfirmed it. A man can be wrong… a man can be stubborn… but you insist on being both. So… I’m out: you have exhausted my patience.

Bendys
4 years ago

Bye bye, talmudist.

Proud American Buddhist Yogi
Proud American Buddhist Yogi
4 years ago
Reply to  Bendys

The vatican should cover all child care expenses of Catholics everywhere if the Pope wants them to have sex without birth control to increase the Church’s numbers.

Bendys
4 years ago

Pope Frank is getting with the NWO program – he told people they shouldn’t breed like rabbits.

Proud American Buddhist Yogi
Proud American Buddhist Yogi
4 years ago

Why on earth people would let some man in Rome, who they never met and he doesn’t he know they exist, dictate their family life is beyond me. If the “Catholic Church” want people to breed like cats and dogs to increase its numbers, then the Vatican should be coverin all child care expenses, through college.

Brutus Maximus
Brutus Maximus
4 years ago

until you`ve tried it

Army Officer (Ret)
Army Officer (Ret)
4 years ago
Reply to  Missy

It’s up to the husband to be the spiritual head of the household, but he’s still under God. One of the corollaries to that is that a feminized pastor is NOT the head of the household. If a pastor goes wobbly, it’s time to tell him where – and why – he’s wrong. If he listens, great: you’ve regained a brother. If he doesn’t listen, move on: light and darkness cannot share space.

Missy
Missy
4 years ago

If the pastor starts preaching things you don’t agree with, you just move on? Might as well just do Bible study at home. Which brings me back to why she can’t just believe in her man, God optional?

Army Officer (Ret)
Army Officer (Ret)
4 years ago
Reply to  Missy

Good question. No pastor always preaches exactly as I believe. We’re all works in progress and I’m not always right, either. But if a pastor goes against the clear teaching of scripture I’ll show him. Oftentimes they have listened. If not… as the head of my house I knew it was time to go elsewhere. The corollary to THAT is that I need to be grounded enough – and know the Word well enough myself – to know truth from falsehood. My pastor and I disagree on a few theological points… no big deal. But if he starts telling the women in the congregation that they have no obligations within their marriages, we’re going to have words (actually, he’s not about to do that, and the board would set him straight if he did). If he persisted, I would take my wife elsewhere.

Missy
Missy
4 years ago

I submit that your wife’s willingness to accept your corrective theological teachings over your pastor speaks more to her trust in you than a higher power.

Army Officer (Ret)
Army Officer (Ret)
4 years ago
Reply to  Missy

Not at all. If I told her something that ran against scripture I would expect her to let me know where she thought I had gone off the rails, and she would view it as her duty to do so.

[Edit. Having said that, she’s learned over the past 28 years that if I say something, there’s a very slim chance that I’m off. If I don’t know something, or something is ambiguous, I refrain from making pronouncements. So when I DO speak, what I say has a track record of being highly reliable.]

Missy
Missy
4 years ago

Fair enough.

[Edit: Mmm. She trusts you. I remain unconvinced that God is the key component here: It’s you.

I didn’t mean for this to turn into a discussion about your specific situation. I just wanted to comment abstractly on Roosh’s post on believing in God in general being a requirement. If he’s strong enough, she won’t need a higher power, other than him.]

Army Officer (Ret)
Army Officer (Ret)
4 years ago
Reply to  Missy

Fair enough. Since we’re talking in generalities: I think that CAN work, but it’s far less certain. In the absence of a “referee” (for lack of a better term), things are more up for grabs. If my wife only refrained from cheating because of my “frame,” a loss of that frame from a debilitating injury, loss of employment, etc., would be likely to result in weakening her resolve. But if there’s a third party above us both who sets unchanging rules, and she recognizes His authority to do so, and He forbids her to cheat, then my human frailties offer far less temptation. Untethering actions from a transcendent moral code has a pretty crappy track record.

Missy
Missy
4 years ago

I’d be curious to see that track record.

Hypergamy doesn’t believe in God.

Maybe we’ll just have to agree to disagree that an omniscient higher power is the final check on fidelity. If it works for your wife, that’s awesome.

Army Officer (Ret)
Army Officer (Ret)
4 years ago
Reply to  Missy

I see it as a combination of things: masculinity reinforced with religious and social taboos against promiscuity with real consequences… a culture that breeds “manly” men with masculine rites of passage… that has relative religious homogeneity that supports the nuclear family and condemns unrestrained sexual expression… and cultural “infrastructure” that puts teeth to the taboos and rewards responsible behavior, will have a lot less sexual wreckage than a society that doesn’t have those things, or has them to a lesser degree.

We’ve eliminated uniquely-male rites of passage entirely, emasculated boys and men to a great degree, removed or minimized social stigma against sluttery/bastardy in both culture AND IN CHURCHES. We lost our consensus that some things are right and good and other things are wrong and bad. Men are on their own now… neither society nor many of our churches have our backs. With the way family law works, that’s terrifying.

Missy
Missy
4 years ago

I agree.

Lunostrelki
Lunostrelki
4 years ago
Reply to  Missy

As if men don’t need god either. The only “strong” men who don’t believe in god do the devil’s work.

advancedatheist
advancedatheist
4 years ago

The social-justice atheists love social science when it supports what they want to believe any way, like the studies which show the decline of religious belief in a big swath of the world.

But then they go into science-denialism when I point to the social science which shows that women damage themselves for stable marriages by having premarital sexual relationships. You don’t need to believe in a god to see this as an empirical reality. Our allegedly ignorant, superstitious and backwards ancestors had the right idea when they shamed sluts, shunned bastards and made their daughters marry as virgins.

If we ever have the opportunity to restore a healthy patriarchal society, the corrupted pseudoscience of sexology will need thorough reforms. Sexologists write sex education curricula, and they propagandize for corrosive ideas like premarital sexual relationships and accepting homosexuality as a different kind of normal, then they inflict these ideas on vulnerable girls who lack the responsible male supervision and the life experience to know any better. This will have to stop in the project to save civilization.

Army Officer (Ret)
Army Officer (Ret)
4 years ago

For all the so-called benefits of sex “education,” the amount of sheer ignorance of those basic facts is stunning. There can be no doubt that sex outside of marriage confers no benefit to anyone past fleeting pleasure, while the downsides and risks are large, numerous, and ubiquitous. So while “educators” are teaching 8-year-olds how to put condoms on cucumbers, I know a smart, pretty, 34-year-old board-certified dentist who thinks she’s going to meet a nice guy and have a large family… some day. Even a girl who made it to the top of her profession in a branch of health care doesn’t know that her fertility may well ALREADY be gone.

If Abstinence education is so bad, why is it that it’s the only system that works to preserve societies, while secular sex “education” leaves a mile-wide swath of ignorance and ruin. It is possible to have years of sex “education” and not know a single important thing about human sexuality at the end.

advancedatheist
advancedatheist
4 years ago

Sex ed also assumes that all healthy, able-bodied boys have approximately equal prospects for sex lives, when we can clearly see the nonsense of that. Elliot Rodger probably received comprehensive sex ed growing up, but that didn’t do him any good at all.

By contrast, the 14 year old Braxtons of the world don’t have to do any of the things elders tell their unfuckable boys to do, because girls find them ready to go in their given state: They don’t have to “develop themselves” first; no one told they aren’t good enough yet for sexual relationships; they didn’t have to learn pickup techniques; none of this goalpost-moving bullshit. At most their elders just tell the Braxtons to slow down and use protection to keep their girlfriends from getting pregnant.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-michigan-teen-runaways-found-safe-chicago/story?id=20191947

Confused GenXer
Confused GenXer
4 years ago

Advanced Unable to be Agnostic, I have found the girl Roosh is talking about. I do not want to have kids with her or anyone else. I am interested in sponsoring the research for immortality, so I can chill forever. What do you think of my predicament ?

GoingSane
4 years ago

Despite what we’ve been led to believe about sex (that it’s casual and meaningless to women) which has allowed us men access to easy lays, women are always emotionally invested in everything and then ruled pretty much entirely by it.
There will be a pair bond formed when she loses her virginity and breaking that connection will send her off to be a bpd mental case. On top of that, there are methods to “imprint” her to you more fully that can make the loss even greater.
Women who choose the “empowering” line of feminist bullshit get what they earn and their giving away what they shouldn’t is no one’s fault but their own, that’s like having an all you can eat buffet set up and then getting mad when someone takes “too much.”
Also, it is not unreasonable for a man to set his own standards and require the people he is going to spend any serious time around to meet them, this includes women. Want to be a promiscuous slut because you were horny and “he was so cute” and ran some good lines? Fine, but while I may take you up on the free offer, doesn’t mean I have to, or have to “compromise” and lower my standards, or put a ring on it. That’s one choice left entirely up to me as of yet, and I don’t intend to let anyone try and take it away from me.

Confused GenXer
Confused GenXer
4 years ago
Reply to  GoingSane

Crazy man, I have found the girl Roosh talks about. I don’t want to have kids with her or anyone else though. I ‘d rather sponsor the research for immortality, so that when it is discovered I can chill forever.
I also want 100’s of millions of muslims and Indians to just die off. There ‘s too many of them on the planet. And the Chinese need to be reduced to 300 m.
What do you think about my predicament ?

deerugs
deerugs
4 years ago

Good thing you are speaking for yourself and your opinion is a belief of its own. I can not subscribe to this but I always find your commentary very interesting and insightful.

Confused GenXer
Confused GenXer
4 years ago
Reply to  deerugs

Drugs what’s up men, cool handle you ‘ve got there, and I saw what you did there “deerugs”=drugs
Read above and tell me your opinion on my predicament please

deerugs
deerugs
4 years ago

Thanks appreciate it 🙂

Tali
Tali
4 years ago

Rules are reasonable crutch for people who haven’t developed the ability to evaluate the character of a girl and the quality of the relationship (a girl who’s genuinly in love with you and admires you makes many of those strict rules unneccessary). But it’s definitely a reasonable starting for learning to evaluate girls for this purpose.

Also, for what it’s worth, a virgin girl can have emotional baggage over a guy she was in love with and never got to be with, and this can be as difficult to get over as an actual relationship. Prioritizing a young girl may avoid that, but really you want a girl who forgets over any previous guys once she’s with you, who “imprints” on you (on who you really are, not on a persona). It happens, it’s just rare (and is most likely to happen to younger girls, like the girls who met their husbands as teenagers and remained married for many decades).

manuel hernandez
manuel hernandez
4 years ago

Not long ago, the Alpha Game blog brought to our attention this article written by this woman who admitted to have gone on a bang fest around the globe after a breakup. It ended up with her being unhappy. Unfortunately, the link to The Sun doesn’t seem to work anymore, but she ended up seeing how bad she was messing up and ended spending days of reflection in a convent.

Now, definitely I’m not condoning her actions, but I will say this. I at least commend her for opening her eyes and seeing her wrongdoings. Quite a show of remorse. And I’m only saying this because this is quite rare. If only younger girls acted this way. After all, shame and remorse, far from being something bad, is the first step to recovery. For her, it might definitely be a bit too late, but at least it’s a start.
https://alphagameplan.blogspot.com/2016/06/this-is-what-alpha-widow-looks-like.html?m=1

Alto Berto
Alto Berto
4 years ago

“Beware of very beautiful women”

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh9ZZgDqzAg

GetItGoing
GetItGoing
4 years ago
Reply to  Alto Berto

Oh brother, not that song.

Unfortunately it’s not true or that simple. Being with an unattractive woman = being miserable, and always staring at more attractive women.

I can deal with a lesser face if she has great breasts and booty, however. LOL.

Alto Berto
Alto Berto
4 years ago
Reply to  GetItGoing

Yes, it is true.

rhasa1
rhasa1
4 years ago

Define virgin.
Sucked many a cock, took several up the ass, to orgasm,
yet hymen intact?
Good luck finding one that has not had intimate contact with a male bodypart that spreads the pheremones that get that hook in her.

Little Bo Peep
Little Bo Peep
4 years ago
Reply to  rhasa1

It’s very uncommon for a virgin to have those sorts of experiences. You’re talking delusions.

rhasa1
rhasa1
4 years ago
Reply to  Little Bo Peep

your girlfriend said so?

Little Bo Peep
Little Bo Peep
4 years ago
Reply to  rhasa1

When a man has a girl available for sex it’s unusual he won’t fuck her vaginally. This is common sense.

VIRGIN APP
VIRGIN APP
4 years ago

I am designing a VIRGIN App.

All women will need be checked for intact hyman

Any type of tattoo or body piercing is excluded from joining

PURE VIRGINS only who want to marry and not “have fun”

Ghost Tiger
Ghost Tiger
4 years ago

Brilliant analysis!

Lost In Translation
Lost In Translation
4 years ago

Your list perfectly described my Ex. There’s still the need to isolate one’s family from the invasive influence of this degenerate western culture. She was ruined by the culture and the religion that led her to remain a virgin before me. It’s a double-edged sword.

GetItGoing
GetItGoing
4 years ago

I’m a bit confused by your comment. At first glance it seems to contradict itself; can you clarify?

Lost In Translation
Lost In Translation
4 years ago
Reply to  GetItGoing

Sure. Despite a man’s best efforts to choose a wife wisely, you’re still fighting an uphill battle. My ex met all Roosh’s requirements in article, but was still already corrupted by society’s expectations of her role and my role in the relationship. And that is why I talk about isolating one’s family from the outside influences of the degenerate western culture, if that’s even possible.

Me and my ex grew up in an age before cell phones, the internet and even email. Now with all the network nodes of outside influence terminating on a woman’s iPhone, it’s virtually impossible to prevent the destruction of traditional female thoughts and attitudes, lest you find a girl in the middle of the woods without so much as electricity.

It’s a hellish situation for men these days compared to my day. And even I wasn’t successful despite taking extraordinary measures to protect my family from the destructive cultural influences that lead all women astry.

GetItGoing
GetItGoing
4 years ago

Ok, that’s what I figured you meant. I see what you mean.

I’m at the point now where I just assume that is a woman is from western culture she’s at least moderately programmed to at some point destroy her family/relationship/marriage/etc with little guilt.

God
God
4 years ago

This is fucking hilarious.

Miguel
Miguel
4 years ago

My future hits six of the seven (and never had sex) so I am blessed by God.

One question, Roosh: if you do find one like the one you spoke about, will you wait till marriage to have sex with her?

Stay safe.

Confused GenXer
Confused GenXer
4 years ago
Reply to  Miguel

We are in the same situation/ on the same boat.
Please read above the long text which I have posted about the girl that I have found, who is the ideal girl for marriage according to Roosh, and give me your opinion with regard to my predicament.

Sarah Gower
Sarah Gower
4 years ago

I guess women can control their nature but how can I show them the manosphere without them getting angry?

Virgins are good. Also make sure she limits social media.

Girls won’t ever admit they made mistakes. I know too many single mothers praising themselves.

Don’t date a woman who claims to be bisexual, no piercings or tats.

I am no better than these women and I don’t need to be the spotlight but red pill women should be more popular so we can control our nature and be mothers.

Morrison
Morrison
4 years ago

“The Future Mother Of Your Child Should Be A Virgin Who Believes In God”

And

“If you meet a girl who hits all seven items on my list, you potentially have a great mom on your hands.”

Roosh you gotta be joking. Western females have already been chewed up and barfed out. At this point now all red pill men are preparing for war. This is not the time to saddle up and play ‘house’ especially when there is not a decent female to be found today.

Little Bo Peep
Little Bo Peep
4 years ago
Reply to  Morrison

If we don’t breed then we have no future. Your comment was as intellectually bankrupt as feminism.

Confused GenXer
Confused GenXer
4 years ago
Reply to  Little Bo Peep

If a population raises its numbers in comparison to the population of other countries, it is an act of war.

However true that may be, why should we burden ourselves with raising a multitude of children, instead of drastically decreasing the birth rates of the 3rd world ?

Little Bo Peep
Little Bo Peep
4 years ago

It’s up to you how you handle things, man. I never said it wasn’t. Yet let this be understood: Natural selection is watching.

OldGuy
OldGuy
4 years ago
Reply to  Morrison

Sadly. I’m in the science field, and maybe you guys should take a page out of ‘Big Bang’ (LoL) and chase some of these nerdy girls. They’re into their books while other babes are into the bars….

redpillyogi
4 years ago
Reply to  Morrison

they exist but not in the west. vote with your feet and watch all the feminists get even more pissed (if that is even possible)!

Negi
Negi
4 years ago

I can’t assemble enough expletives to describe how I feel about this cockwomble and I pity all you foolish fucktards who read this article and agree with these “facts”. You can’t treat a woman like a piece of merchandise and grade her by looks or intelligence, we are all human beings in the end of the day. Roosh you’re a disgrace to men who are actually strong and cherish strength in their partners. You come across like a weak fool with small dick syndrome and the only way maintain a relationship with a woman would be to control her, make sure she’s not too intelligent so she wouldn’t be smart or brave enough to leave you.