The Girls Of Poland And Ukraine

I invite Eastern European travel expert Kyle Trouble for a comprehensive discussion on Polish and Ukrainian girls, in addition to examining each country’s culture and living standard. We focus on sharing the ideal type of game that is necessary to succeed for both casual encounters and long-term relationships that could lead to marriage and family creation. For Western men who are dissatisfied with their women, Poland and Ukraine may offer a viable path to more fulfilling intimate relationships.

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As a dude that’s spent over a year in both Kyiv & Odessa I’d like to just contribute here as my specialty is Ukrainian chicks
First off. Nice podcast, you guys cornered just about everything.
To add to it:
1.) do not entertain women that openly state they hate their own country. This is a bad sign. If a woman has said she is interested in living in UK, Germany, USA ect. Then she will bail on you the first chance she gets. She will also become a “strong independent working girl”
The ones you want are the patriotic women. It’s sexy when a woman loves her own country. There is an important correlation there. If she is loyal to her country, she is loyal to her man

2.) don’t bother with chicks in clubs. Despite what many think, this is a waste of time, energy & money. The girls in clubs usually don’t speak English (because they don’t need to, they’re already getting the best local dudes) you guys also touched on the noise & language barriers.
I assure you all, I have put this to the test, these women go to the clubs simply to dance with each other. I pick up dozens of girls day gaming but never in clubs
Clubs are where you take your own girlfriend & her friends out to have a good time. Good to dance for the courtship

3.) don’t be an English teacher. This is the most frustrating thing I encounter… A chick that is using you for only English practice & nothing more. This is incredibly hard to screen out. Almost impossible. Once I flat-out asked a girl. “Is this just English practice or are you interested?” Her response, “how will I know I like you unless we go out”… She got me there. Hard to screen out, happens often

4.) touch. Holding hands can be awkward on a 1st date, so I like to do the elbow lock. You’re exchanging energy & relieving tension between you two. This will pay dividends later

5.) never invite her over to your home until after you have done heavy making out or 3rd/4th date. In USA, you can do 1st dates at home for wine, tv, movies ect. But in ukraine, a home invitation is sex. I learned this the very hard way after going to work & telling some young Ukrainian chicks about my inviting girls over, only to get nasty text messages in return. The girls I work with filled me in nicely. Culture…

6.) how to respond to a Ukrainian girls’ cross examination
-Q: why are you in Ukraine?
A: Ukraine is a very affordable country for me. I love the Black Sea, the rich history & the traditional mindset. I have some Ukrainian friends here from my hometown as well. Also, I am part Ukrainian. Ukraine seems nice, I want to be here for some time, but not forever probably
Q: why are you still single?
A: I live in a really small resort town in Colorado half the year, so there are not many dating options there
Q: what do you think of Ukrainian girls?
A: they seem nice. I think they’re some of the finest girlfriends, wives & mothers in the world. Hard to find nurturing women in these modern times.
(Tip: Praise character over beauty. But of you must praise looks, compliment her hair or shoes, that never fails)
Q: have you ever been in love?
A: I am not so sure. It would be great to meet someone I have absolute devotion for…truth is, I have had my heart broken before
Q: have you ever had a Ukrainian girlfriend?
A: no. I’ve gone on several dates, but never a girlfriend. I’m open to this idea, though
Important note: I’ve put this whole “my mother is of Ukrainian descent” line through a battery of tests, basically a focus group, it scores with flying colors. Often generating a big smile
Ukrainian girls take a lot of comfort knowing the Yankee guy sitting across from her was brought up under the wing of a Ukrainian woman
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Keep in mind also that EVERY Ukrainian woman has a dream of having 1 child. So if you’re perusing these women, they dream of a child.
Compare that to Yankee women where 50% hope to never get pregnant

7.) be aggressive. Ukraine is not a hook-up culture but a great place to find a feminine/nurturing girlfriend.
If you like a girl, call her or message her on the Viber app after 2 days. (Not like 5 days in USA)
Ukrainian women know there are many cute girls in Ukraine. She will think you have 20 girls in your phone & you have moved on from her. You need to show you’re interested & have your finger on the pulse of the situation
In USA, you need to Ignore women & treat them like shit. In Ukraine you need to be persistent & show respect. It’s Oppositesville

8.) mix clown game with stoicism. Ukrainian women believe most American guys that are in Ukraine are losers. So it’s important to have a good back story & say you’re of a Ukrainian blood line
Find a subtle way to Show her you would have no trouble meeting other women.

9.) the hottest women in Ukraine speak little to no English. Why? Because they don’t need to, that’s why.
Either learn Russian or thank God for google translate. Last summer I was in Kyiv. I was 32. I had a 19 yo girlfriend that spoke no English. We communicated from my poor Russian, google translate, touch & eye contact. Lots of silence but so much sexy energy

10.) just tell the truth. Ukrainian women are human lie detectors. Ukrainian men have created a culture of cheating. So These women are far more mentally developed at age 20 than your standard issue Western woman. They are extremely perceptive & will get to the bottom of everything. Once you lie, they will never trust you again. So just tell the truth & be open. Of course, don’t disclose your life story on the 1st date, but if you’re trying to find a relationship partner, it would be good to be honest to see if there is any level ground for long term relations.

11.) eye contact is the linchpin in Ukraine. If you’re walking down the street & a girl looks you in the eye, she is single & you need to turn around & talk to her

I hope my notes will help. Good luck fellas & thanks to Roosh & Kyle, you guys hit the nails on the heads. It’s a wild ride ✌🏻️

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Agree, in fact, it is mandatory to learn at least basic Russian language for any hope of meeting the best caliber of girls in Ukraine. I dated a few traditional Ukrainian and Russian ladies in the states and you need to be patient as well. DRESS NICE! Ukraine girls do not like men dressed like sloppy pigs. Wear a nice sports jacket and slacks. GET FIT. Women there are in great shape and do not like fat guys.

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“-Q: why are you in Ukraine?
A: Ukraine is a very affordable country for me. I love the Black Sea, the rich history & the ….”

I hear what you are saying, and you have a point, but answering this question can be tricky because most women know their country is a shithole. There are certainly no employment opportunities there that would bring in foreign men, and Ukraine is not a popular tourist destination like London and Paris (like London and Paris USED to be. Tourism in europe has not only dropped significantly, but rather has been described as “fallen off a cliff” due to the migrant insurgents brought in by the political elites to destroy europe- but that’s another topic) and like it or not, most Ukraine women assume any western man in Ukraine is there to gash monger. And as far as saying that you like the traditionalism of Ukraine, well most Ukraines also realize their country is Westernizing very fast. Whatever answer one gives to the question “What are you doing in Ukraine?” should be an answer that has to make sense.

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See… this is not true anymore. Kyiv & Odessa are both really nice, legit cities. I like living in both.
Shitholes? Compared to what? NYC or London? Those are the shitholes. I was in London for a week & I regret ever going there. Kyiv is way cooler
Now, Dnipro, Zaporozhia, Poltava, Kharkiv… yea, they’re not as nice, but the hottest, youngest girls from those cities move to Kyiv. Then summer near the seas
Actually, Dnipropetrovsk is a freaking gold mine for beautiful women. Seems like every knockout comes from that city or zaporozhia.

80% of women you meet there are content being close to mom & dad, their friends, their way of life

There’s this false belief that these women are so desperate to leave Ukraine. Not true

Also, my examples are just my own. I give different answers. But I usually throw out “my mom is Ukrainian” or “I work as a native English sales correspondent here”
Create your own & have fun with it

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“Create your own & have fun with it”

I hear ya, and respect it. I’m just saying that the answers about why one is in Ukraine should not paint Ukraine as a paradise, cause it aint.

And you are correct about london being a shithole – and this is mainly due to the migrant insurgency brought in. And cities like Berlin and Vienna are also shitholed. Supposedly now cities like St. Petersburg Russia, and Moscow are safer than the major cities of western europe – a sign of the shitty times.

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Totally agree. HMU if you are in Odessa this summer

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Its the Ukraine cities that tend to be rather ugly. I definitely remember and enjoyed being in Yalta one summer. And a good friend of mine was in Balaclava and raved about its beauty. The crimea is nice from a geographical perspective, I do wonder how easy it will be for an american to visit now that that region is part of Russia.

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you’re lucky. Yalta is my dream town. Never been there.
Now its a pain to get there & I refuse to get a Russian visa.

I live in Odessa April-September anyways.

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Why is it a pain to visit Crimea? It ain’t no pain, you just do not want to get a Russian visa;)

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Very easy! Just get yourself a Russian visa, get flight tickets and go!

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I lived near Dresden for two years, not as fucked up as the main German cities, the small towns are nicer places,mostly because the immigrants and metrosexuals remain in the larger cities in Germany.

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I lived in Germany during the late 1990s to early 2000s, most of the German cities have large numbers of Muslim immigrants, and its been that way for years, not just with whole Cologne train station incident a year ago.
Many Russians used to flood Germany as recently as 2007 but you don’t meet as many these days.
Some of the best looking women there were often the Turkish, but very few of them will date a Western man. You have to go to the small towns to find willing ones, in the big cities with large Turkish populations they are under too much pressure to stick with their own kind.
When I was in Germany, most of the women I spent time with were actually Eastern Europeans, many of them speak German and most are hard to tell apart from actual Germans but gradually you tell who is who.

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“Some of the best looking women there were often the Turkish, but very few of them will date a Western man. You have to go to the small towns to find willing ones, in the big cities with large Turkish populations they are under too much pressure to stick with their own kind”

I too agree that Turkish bitches in Germany are among the prettiest in Germany – even compared to white german females who seem to be hellbent on putting nails through their noses and ear gauges & tats. One would think that it would be easier in the big city for a western man to date a Turkish chick instead of the small towns, as it is usually the cities where traditions are broken.

Either way I would wager that it will become increasingly more difficult for a western man to date a Turkish female with the upcoming culture war powder keg ready to explode.

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It is, a few years ago I was in Germany and two Turkish girls sat next to me and winked and smiled. I smiled back and asked for their number, then several men walked by and noticed it, they pretended they never saw me, so its true the Muslim culture keeps them under control. On the opposite end the Turkish men frequently date German women, also some Romanian and Bulgarian women.
Their women are very attractive but because of their Muslim culture its a miserable experience courting them.
The main reason the Turkish women in small towns are more open is because the populations there are more homogeneous and more pressure for them to “Westernize”. The ones in the cities remain in their ghettos, the pressure there is for them to remain with their own kind.
Many German cities look like those in America these days, with ethnic ghettos.

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Where, pray tell, is this paradise you speak of?

Morrison
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“Where, pray tell, is this paradise you speak of?”

I didn’t describe any place as a paradise, I was simply stating that Ukraine was not a paradise.

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Quality of life is all relative. There are plenty of guys seeking out places like Ukraine. Hell, there are several ROK guys from the west, what the average person on the planet today would consider “paradise,” who voluntarily gave it up to go live in a developing nation.

In other words, there is no paradise.

In globalist 2017 there is no single place even resembling paradise. But there is a lot that is appealing to a masculine traditional guy about places like Ukraine.

Everything is a tradeoff, of course, and no place is categorically better than another in all areas, but I’m beginning to place a far higher priority on things like family values, thin bodies on women, and religion, over how easy or comfortable my life is, or how convenient access is to consumer goods.

Indeed, I am coming to believe struggle itself is a vital, necessary part of building character, and a healthy society.

I haven’t been to Ukraine, but I’ve been to places most would consider categorically “worse” and I both understood why the citizens chose to live there, and found something there that drew me in, that was seriously lacking in my western metro city.

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Only decent cities in Western Europe are in Spain and Portugal. Some smaller towns in Germany (not the main cities).

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Not eager to leave Ukraine? Then how come over 1 million Ukrainians are applying for a US Green Card annually?)
And millions more are leaving in droves for Russia, Poland, Czech republic, Italy or wherever they may get a job, pretty much any job? wink

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45 million people live in Ukraine. so your 1 million is about 3% or less.

So like I said, about 8 out of 10 women I go out with show no interest in leaving Ukraine long term.
This is my personal experience. wink

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I’d say it’s close to 35 million now, 45 minus Crimea, Donbass and all those millions who’d left the country for greener pastures :))
And it’s 1 million annually wink Year after year;)
Odessa is not really Ukraine, it’s a city within a city (Porto Franko). Try getting to smaller towns and even villages around Ukraine;) Bet your opinion will change!

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Crimeas population is 2.2 million… Donetsk/Luhansk is 1.5 aggregately. Donbas is Ukraine.
So you’re still quite a ways off…
I stand by my original statistics

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Neither 35 nor 45. It’s 42. Crimea still Ukraine as Donbas, Odessa etc…

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Last time I checked Crimea was Russia with Russian flags all over the place;) And at least a part of Donbass was separated from Ukraine;)

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Flag means nothing. Crimea is occupied territory . Donbas is a part of Ukraine also. If your neighbor will put a Russian flag in his yard will it be a part of Russia ?))

You should read a bit more about real situation in Ukraine.

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Occupied and considered Russia, correct? wink Who started ATO (which is in fact a war against own people)? Turchinov by any chance?;) Who organized Majdan which is the reason behind all Ukrainian problems? wink
How is 28 grivnas per dollar better than 8? And how is gas 10 grivnas per liter better than gas for 26 grivnas per liter? wink

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I’m not going to talk to you about it.

Take into account backstory and international treaties.

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Cause you ain’t got nothing to say:))

How is 28 grivnas per dollar better than 8? And how is gas 10 grivnas per liter better than gas for 26 grivnas per liter? wink

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Not related. Situation we have now in Ukraine is due to Pro American government.

If to look into the history Greeks , Turkish, Tatars have more rights for Crimea. If tomorrow Germany comes in Kaliningrad to organize the referendum because it was a German land? Something tells me people will not refuse to join Germany, or if Russia comes to Alaska to get it back? Yanucovich destroyed army. I do not decent any government because they play with people. People are marionettes of politicians.

Everything was decided in advance and planed.

https://youtu.be/jbOwfeoDX2o

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Now we are talking! So, Majdan was sponsored and organized by the West, right?
Initially Crimea was Greek, true that.
I ain’t disputing Russian occupation of Crimea, I’m just saying that people of Crimea and Donbass did not want to deal with a Nazi government in Kiev. It’s that simple.
Sure people are puppets and it takes a lot to be able to stand up and be counted and to go against the mainstream!!!

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Crimea has a referendum, just like Kosovo, to become a part of Russia.

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sorry, had a referendum.

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As you like Ukraine and maybe Russia very much My advice to you to take care of your health.

Plenty of people here have AIDS, Hepatitis C and other STDs. Statistics and what’s going on in reality – two different things.

As you are looking for sex be careful or better find one healthy girl.

Take care

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Thanks for that

Not a sex tourist, I am a love local. & I love Ukraine

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Paris and London have been off limits cities for only but the very rich for years, even French people hate Paris. Now with the Islamic immigrants and terrorism, its not even worth it. Places look like prison camps with police officers armed with automatic weapons patrolling the place. Paris might have been ok to visit in the late 80s but ever since the Eastern Bloc fell, its Eastern Europe that has the most beautiful women. Even a big French porn site, most of their models are EE not French.
Only places in Western Europe that I would describe as pleasant are in Spain and Portugal. Rest of Western Europe has turned to shit.
People who live in the richer Western Euro countries have fully embraced the North American style consumer culture and even their eating habits. You see fast food outlets all over the place and people buying Chinese made crap just like in America.

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I have a technology company providing software only for travel businesses. I also have a tour operator business.

Your statement:

“Tourism in europe has not only dropped significantly, but rather has
been described as “fallen off a cliff” due to the migrant insurgents
brought in by the political elites to destroy europe-”

is totally wrong, incorrect and dare I say, fake news, i.e. total nonsense.

Please stick to facts.

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“Your statement: (…) is totally wrong, incorrect and dare I say, fake news, i.e. total nonsense. Please stick to facts”

What’s it like getting owned, bitch?

https://youtu.be/xEQYZ4xf0yk?t=1m44s

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The more you understand the local language, the better. English speaking girls are bad, and in my experience the best looking women usually do not speak English, and therefore not as heavily exposed to the degenerate bullshit culture that hates men.
The women who want to leave their country are either in a shitty situation at home, or social climbing opportunists wanting a better way of life in the West. These are women to avoid, because they will see you as a walking Green Card/ATM Machine. Otherwise both countries are considerably superior to the US.

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Do you like not educated woman? English speaking women mostly have standards. Not related with green card. Not educated women dream much more to escape from the country because they can’t get a good job here. The english language is required everywhere if you want to get a good job. I speak english. Have never dreamt to live in the US. Do You think that USA is a paradise that everyone dreams to live there!!! Wrong!!! Be realistic. Any of my friend doesn’t dream to live in the USA , more than that htey do not like USA as a country for life. If you worry so much that woman wants to use you for green card please find the woman in the US. But the reality is that u maybe can’t find there, not because women are bad there, but because you are not good enought for local women. More than that, you will never understand from the beginning if woman want to use you or not. Women who use men for their own benefits are very sweet and sly. Exactly as men like. Men do not like direct and honest women, they prefer to be deceived, after that complain that women use them. Open your eyes. Man who wants not educated woman is insecure!

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I am Ukrainian. I love Ukraine. I wonder what kind of women you meet?
Also I wonder why all western men think that we all want to leave the country?
Sure if woman meets a man from another country , if they have relationships she has to live with him in his country.
One note, not all ukrainian men cheat. They cheat as much as ameriacan or europeans cheat. Ukr men almost do not use dating apps, americans do. Kind of dependence. Any person will never trust you again if you lie, either you will not trust. Lot of our women know that foreigners come here for sex, hunting and just don’t accept it too seriously.
Most of my girls friend who are attractive and educated do not want any foreigner man. Some of them have never dated any foreigner.
You have to take into account also the difference in mentality. If man wants relationship with our woman he has to learn about it.
If woman wants USA or EU passport she will do what he wants. If woman is worthy she will look at man’s actions, his treatment.
Also the fact is that very seldom good worthy foreigner men come here. Usually come men who want a cheaper and at the same time a nice option.
Conclusion: You can find here lot of girls for sex as in any other country.
If you want to find a really good woman for life you have to work your ass off and make lot of efforts. In general good women do not go in clubs (if they do they do it for some ocasion with friends), they have a busy schedule and their own active life. They will not accept that you play the game with them etc…

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To be clear, I agree with what you said
I love Ukraine too
I’m not a bad guy. It’s just finding a feminine, nurturing, thin woman with long hair in the USA is not easy to do. Ukraine has an abundance of them.
I am looking for sex, but in reality, I’d like to find a quality woman for long term relations

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I did not say you are a bad guy. Your comment is quite positive. I have been in USA and have to say there are lot of nice girls there. In Ukraine there are a lot of pretty girls but also not too many worthy . You have to decide if you want only sex or a girl for relationship because where you find sex maybe you will not find a good girl for relationship. From another hand if girl has sex with you it doesn’t mean she is a slut or a bad girl. She maybe really likes you. Our young girls are quite naive and men use it in order to get sex from them, they lie. If you play the fair game you will find a good girl.

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“I have been in USA and have to say there are lot of nice girls there”

It depends on the situation you are meeting our American females. If you are visiting the USA you will in fact meet women who are ‘nice’ on a superficial level. But trying to find a good American girl to settle down with and have a family, you can forget it.

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Hello Morrison

This situation there is not only in USA.

In general is difficult to find a person with whom could establish a family.

Doesn’t mater male or female. There are a lot of really god single women , also there are a lot of good single men.

In my opinion one of the problems is that now people are too available. I would say it is like a market. Lot of available bodies, a lot of social media, dating stuff etc. Plenty of people are depended on it.

I don’t mean that all men/women are the same. Of course not.

But with all this sexual availability people become crazy, forgot how to appreciate what they have. Some people think that they always can have something better ….

I see around some examples men/women how they go in circles, don’t understand why they are not happy. They blame on the whole world in their problems but problem is in their heads.

I believe that right person comes at the right time. Need to be ready for that.

We can’t change the world but we can change ourselves for better.

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I dare to say it’s quite the opposite now;) It’s very hard for a normal able bodied male who doesn’t possess any luxury stuff in form of houses, upscale condos, loaded bank accounts, fancy cars and HIGH status in the society to even come come close to anything resembling a date! I ain’t even talking about sex, just a damn date!!!
Every western female thinks that she’s a God’s gift to humanity and that she deserves a royal treatment each and every time she’s out and about without her ever needing to make an effort or give anything back!

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Hi

I thought that in US the situation is opposite as women there are independent, they have own money,seems they don’t care how much money man has. Maybe I’m wrong.

Every person deserves a good treatment, doesn’t matter how much money man or woman has.

As to me it’s not about money but really about treatment. Man can have not a lot of money but to treat his woman really good and give her the best he can give. Or can have a lot of money but to treat a woman bad.

Sure is good if man can provide but not all men can do it.

Some men can have money but to lose it. Thus money is just a way to live good.

If man treats me good when he has money, is a good husband, faithful I will never dump him if he lose money.

Personally for me in relationships, friendship is important attitude, honesty, faith and treatment .

I would never be with a wealthy man who doesn’t treat me well or doesn’t respect.

Plenty of men think that women need only money. With such thoughts they can miss good woman. As readily life will give them exactly women who will use them.

If we are afraid of something it will happen to us because we attract it in our life.

But I have to admit that really there are plenty of women who want only money. This is their choice.

In general for woman is important to see that man can provide a family because we have instincts and chose a father for our children. But the most important aspect ( at least for me) how man treats me in general, respect, faithful and what kind of husband he is. A worthy man will always try to bring money at home. You live in US , I live in EE. So we are from different cultures, have different mentality but I can understand your point.

I could write a lot about this topic but I don’t think it’s interesting smile

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I agree that the situation is not limited to the USA anymore. In fact I would wager that in time over the coming years the future articles published in the Manosphere about east european countries will probably be more about how sluttier their women are getting and how the cities are resembling more like the States as more American chain businesses like Starbucks and KFC etc are being seen at every street corner.

But as far as “right person comes at the right time” c’mon dude, that is just simply being unrealistic. Women are done. They welcome their zombification.

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Sorry maybe I did not understand you right but why EE women are more sluttier?

I am EE woman. We are just different. Everywhere there are bad/good people.

Demand breeds supply. If men don’t like sluts or prostitutes they should not have sex with them. But men who use it but after complain that women are sluts … these men are not better.

Same if to eat every day chocolate but to say it is not healthy.

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Where did he even mention that EE women were sluttier than Western ones?????

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That’s why I asked if I understood right or wrong.

This. “In fact I would wager that future articles published in the Manosphere about east european countries will probably be more about how sluttier their women are getting and how the cities are resembling more like the States as more American chain businesses like Starbucks and KFC etc are being seen at every street corner”.

Anyway. Don’t want sluts, don’t f*k them. Educate daughters not to be sluts.

In the west is endless fight between men and woman. Don’t have any idea what they fight for. Maybe because their life is fine and they have nothing to do smile LoL

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He was trying to say that newspapers and magazine would focus more on changes within EE women;)
The problem is that 99.99% of all western women think that are Godsend to Earth and should be worshipped every second only cause they have a hole between their legs.
every damn western female thinks she deserves a “tall, dark and handsome millionaire” without ever moving a finger to get him! HE is supposed to come in a blue chopper, land on her front lawn, propose to her, put a million dollars on her bank account and take her to his mansion!
And western males are pussies unable to say NO to a female thus complying with everything she’s telling him to do!

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In fact that woman is a Godsend as a gift for a man . Men should worship us .Lol

If to talk seriously everybody has right to want what he or she wants but also has to be realistic. Not all are millioners.

In fact that a lot of western millionaire marry EE women)))

But I think that anyway feeling should be on first place. Man should not be a millionaire to treat his woman good, flowers are not expensive, love impossible to buy, some gift can buy every man, to be faithful, caring, living is a decision, this is not related with money.

I noted that what I explore in this site there are lot of negative articles or articles how to hook up women, about dating apps, where to travel to bang women etc… but I have not read here any article about real relationship, how to work in it , about family values etc…

if to compare with my county we have lot of articles about families and relationship, about values , there are articles for men and for women.

There is some difference.

Maybe if men hate so much western feminism they should just ignore, do not react on it. Man should be a leader but in the right way. Not in the way to repress or humiliate a woman to show his strength but to protect her.

This is my subjective opinion.

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“Sorry maybe I did not understand you right but why EE women are more sluttier?”

My lack of good writing, what I meant to say was:

” I would wager that in time over the coming years the future articles published in the Manosphere about east european countries will probably be more about how sluttier their women are getting”

I say this simply because the toxic culture of the West has managed to work its way to EE.

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I was in Ukraine late 98-99, Sevastopol. Everything you describe is dead on, compared to what I experienced. I would emphasize the honesty piece. I’m very honest with women, even today. In Ukraine they not only smell BS, they smell honesty and it is THE aphrodisiac. They sound as if they are still romantic. The soulmate, marriage, babies, the whole deal. I would suggest going to Ukraine for a wife, not to bang. Too much effort compared to the US, England, Germany, etc. Western women are easy.

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I’m from Ukraine and personally for me all stuff what you wrote is pure red flag.
1.) I’ve like to see normal person who in this situation will say that love Ukraine. Sorry, but Ukraine is shithole and its not about politics. Its about level of life. Even some my friends who was patriots of Ukraine try to get out of it.
Sure she has to become strong independent girl. Money is her protection. Man can leave her and what will she do without job in foreign country? Or she has come back to Ukraine?
Sexy woman who loves her country will find sexy man in her place. Why does she need move somewhere with foreigner when everything is fine at her place?
2. Where you want get chicks? Annoy everyone at the street?
With 3,4 and 5 points I’m agree.
6. When person says that Ukraine is affortable country it can be sign that he doesnt earn in his place enough.
Personally I’m from small city too and its not too big problem to find man while almost everywhere is 50/50 men and women, few percents less few percents more.
Also if foreigner dated Ukrainian girl its sign that he:
a) want to buy woman from Ukraine because problems in his land
b) he is sex tourist
Most women want kids, but not everyone.
7. When guy has to call girl is personal preference. Someone like when he calls all the time, someone can get angry about this.
8. What can decide ukrainian blood line when ure culturally and mentally american? Which difference between you and German or Italian American?
9. No English shows their level of education. Everyone learn English from 1 class of school till end of it and even in university. If girl isnt able to say one Englsh word you think she is good in other subjects?
For my life I worked in 5 companies and always on interview they asked me about foreign languages I speak even while job wasnt about conversations to foreigners at all.
Point number 10 is right.
My point is: single man who come to Ukraine deserve questions. Sure lot of this men are sex tourists. Personally I dont know much foreigners who are interested in such place as Ukraine. Most people from other places come here to meet in person girl whom they got online, for job or to bang cheap good looking chicks. Thats all.
Okay, you got into serious relationships with woman from Ukraine. If she has good job, earn enough money, has own flat, car, etc. then she has chance to get american visa. But you describe dumb 18 yo girl from middle of nowhere without any kind of education or diploma of univercity where she paid for every exam and with bad job. Sure she wont get visa. Then only chance to be together is to marry her better as fast as possible. Are you ready to do this?

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I am Ukrainian. Are you a man or woman?
I agree alsmot with everything you have written. But not all people here dream to escape from Ukraine. Smart people can earn money everywhere. The life abroad also is not easy.

Regarding men who come here or Russia, mostly they are sex tourists. There are men who really would like to find a wife here but it is 5% from 100%.
They come here and take low quality women with low standards. Educated women who work in Ukraine , Russia etc are quite demanded, have their own standards.

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Roosh, stop deleteing my posts you wanker. I know you live in Poznan and local Antifa has been told about it to so have fun you prick

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There is one department where Polish guys are sharp at Kyle and thats knocking the teeth out of lill faggots like you

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Roosh how can contact you privately? It’s about business and I believe you would be interested to hear about it. Let me know, I will explain.

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Roosh, what motivates you? I sometimes feel that This isn’t my country, and these aren’t my people, so why keep giving/trying? Is it all for money? Money is the best way to see and count value, and therefore money is the way to go?

I fail to see any meaning anymore. What keeps any of you people going?

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Easy answer: my family, my wife, our kids. We are all evolving together as one while being all different in something.
Fuck money, there are a lot more nicer things in life to enjoy!
But to understand that one has to leave North America behind and settle in another country!

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Very educational podcast. While there are benefits beyond the bedroom in working & perfecting our games, but if we focus straightly on sex, why go through all the trouble? Assuming we are focusing on guys living in the US, pragmatically, is it worth the money, time, & energy just to have sex with a girl from Poland and/or Ukraine?

This is not a value judgement on Polish & Ukrainian ladies. This is about the situational context. If I have already decided to visit Poland/Ukraine for fun or business, then yes, it’s a great time to practice my game. Even if the gaming situation in the US has deteriorated to zero, why not just buy sex? Isn’t prostitution more straight forward, takes less time, energy, and money, too?

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Prostitution is not advocated by this community
It is risky, disgusting & lacks passion
Its for losers
Gaming women improves a mans life on several levels & yields you a good woman if wanted

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I am Odessian! So disgasting to read you posts you Western men. Stay in your America and leave Ukraine and it’s women alone. Too good for you!

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Молодец Tati!!
Most of men in this forum who write disgusting things about women are insecure. In their country they are nobody. They can’t have a good woman in their counrty. They come in EE or Asia think they are Gods here. Most of them meet here low quality girls. More than that they all think that we sleep and dream to live in USA what is not true.
I am Ukrainian also.
You woul better write some really useful articles than to write how you travel over the world for sex. Nothing to be proud of!
Seems the authour is not clever enough to write about science or something really important.
Привет Одессе! smile

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Спасибо за поддержку 123? Уважаю!