I recently took on a month-long project that served as a corporate job simulator, a full decade after quitting my microbiologist career. This short project was a powerful reminder how modern work is incompatible with human contentment.

During my project, I woke up every day at the relatively reasonable time of 8:30 a.m. to be at “work” at 9:00 a.m. I then had to pay attention, focus, cooperate with others, and do mentally intensive tasks. This project required five hours of solid work a day, which translates to an 8-hour a day office job that includes downtime and extended breaks.

The first side effect I experienced was having practically no thinking ability left over after work. It was extremely difficult to do my own writing—my brain simply didn’t want to cooperate. I vegetated endlessly in front of YouTube and Twitter, whereas usually I’d get bored of them relatively quickly.

Secondly, I realized that my unique male brain is not designed to pay attention for prolonged periods of time in cooperative environments. I did not want to sit down continuously for hours, wait my turn to speak, and pretend to be “nice” to others. I also saw the females present not as my intellectual equals—even if they were smart—but as fodder for sexual fantasies that gave me distracting boners. The women seemed to greatly enjoy this environment, probably because men treated them with great respect just because they were women, regardless of their intellectual contributions.

Thirdly, the work environment created so much inner tension that I strongly ached for doses of pleasure in the form of alcohol, coffee, sugar, or masturbation. I successfully quit coffee for the three months prior but now I craved it daily. I’d masturbate after lunch instead of wait until the late evening. I sought out sugar and other carb-based foods far more than usual. I also allowed excuses of fatigue to decrease my gym routine. The main ways my body wanted to relieve work tension was through actions that are likely to cause obesity, decreased muscle mass, and other forms of body degradation.

Lastly, I became more anti-social. Spending so many hours with my co-workers used up all my social fuel for the day. Afterwards, I had to stay silent and alone to recover. I didn’t want to talk to any girls, even if I was horny, and in the rare occasion I did manage to flirt, it would fall on the weekend when my tank was partially replenished. My social life was greatly harmed during a peak summer season when I should’ve been out most nights making big moves.

This experiment was disconcerting because it made me realize how fragile my energy really is. Work used up all my daily stores of focus, willpower, creativity, and extroversion, leaving almost none for my own projects and goals. I temporarily gave this project my lifeblood and in exchange I received a narrow benefit and the slothful need to lounge on the couch while snacking on munchies.

It makes complete sense to me why, after quitting my job ten years ago, I did not consider resuming it, even when my income was at poverty level. Leaving that job unlocked bountiful energy that I devoted into writing, internet projects, and basic life enjoyment. Working again would destroy that. Even if you have a job that is not physically taxing, it may be creating enough fatigue and tension that your body is demanding release through perverted leisure, alcohol, and unhealthy food, hence the typical pattern of working all week only to get wasted on the weekends.

We have to ask if we were designed to work as much as is expected by society, especially upon realizing that the 40-hour work week was a random compromise between government, trade unions, and factory owners during the Industrial Revolution that aimed to keep the slaves from being worked to death or outright revolting. When you’re in your early 20’s and full of energy, it’s possible to work even more than 40 hours a week while also socializing and pursuing your own hobbies, but as you age, you’re sure to enter the “I’m tired” zone and have to essentially dedicate your life to your job. Based on my month-long experiment, I believe men who don’t love their jobs are sacrificing more than just their time for what amounts to material reasons that are not necessary for survival.

I resumed my old ways as soon as the job ended. I woke up later, started writing again, took random bike rides when the sun was out, and resumed socializing with beautiful women. Without any financial goals or people to impress, I have to work just hard enough to keep the lights on, which is certainly not 40 hours a week.

If I ever do enter dire financial straights and have to work a normal job, I already know I’ll be scheming from day one to find a way out, or seek seasonal work in the form of a music band roadie or cruise ship bartender. A job is just a means to living an enjoyable life, not the end itself, but when you work a full time job, it becomes that much harder for your life to be about anything else.

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  1. K-Man September 4, 2017 at 10:28 am

    Amen. It does get harder especially as you get older. I read a study recently that people over 40 can only be productive for 3 days a week not 5. At my office everyone goofs around half the day, you take a walk down the cubicles and see people zoned out on youtube and facebook… But The Man says you gotta clock in at 40 hours per week to get that paycheck.

    1. Whatever September 4, 2017 at 11:40 am

      “It does get harder especially as you get older”

      Yup – and Roosh (I think) is in his late 30’s – and I’m in my late 40’s so I know this already. Fortunately (or not) companies simply do not hire anyone over 40 (exceptions being in the higher elite circles of CEO’s who are in demand due to their perceived importance and/or abilities) so old guys simply have to figure out how to find their own niche and make a go at it, or call it quits. It’s a scary thought, but at least the whole issue of how to fit in the corporate world becomes a non-issue.

      1. Jesus Tribune September 4, 2017 at 6:26 pm

        I’m in my late 40s too and yet somehow I got hired by a company for an entry level marketing position. However, I’m being paid like I’m just out of college.

        I’m guessing that’s how they’re justifying my existence there.

      2. Edward Easterling September 4, 2017 at 11:23 pm

        “I’m being paid like I’m just out of college.
        I’m guessing that’s how they’re justifying my existence there.”


      3. Whatever September 5, 2017 at 8:09 am

        “I’m in my late 40s too and yet somehow I got hired by a company for an entry level marketing position”

        Of course there are exceptions and I’m pleased for you.

      4. White Prowler September 25, 2017 at 10:51 am

        Go temp. It pays better and you have more leverage in the long run even though you get screwed over at first. It’s worth it.

      5. White Prowler September 25, 2017 at 10:49 am

        Quit being a pussy like you. That’s how. Lol. We have two old ass White guys driving forklifts here. What’s your excuse?

    2. White Prowler September 25, 2017 at 10:46 am

      Well I am 38 and work an extremely physical job in manufacturing and easily outwork almost all if not every one of the younger people. So maybe get off your ass and do some real work and you will become extremely harder in your older years. I know that this is true for almost everyone who does this. Too many pussies wanting the easiest fucking thing they can find, never taking the initiative to go the extra step every time until you are worked into exhaustion. The KJV calls it “toil”. Using your mind is important but when you use your mind and body, you become an unstoppable almost lawless limitless force of nature to be reckoned with or else.

      1. Edward Easterling September 29, 2017 at 9:43 pm

        I am 52 and I work in a warehouse (actually two). When I was 38 I was still cock-of-the-walk. But years of physical toil are beginning to tell on me.
        My energy and strength is diminishing. I have a hernia, for 4 years now, I can’t afford to get sewn up. And an older strain in my back is acting up more often and more painful.
        I do outwork most of those younger than me, but there’s a price to pay for that. And it doesn’t get easier.
        But I do like your spirit. And I too live in the south. Close to the Big Easy!

  2. Bleuteaux September 4, 2017 at 10:43 am

    If you aren’t married with kids, it’s impossible to make an office job work. The guys I see surviving 40 years of corporate hell, barely, have a wife to go home to and kids to feed. Otherwise, there’s nothing outside of work for a single guy to justify 40-50 hours of monotony.

    I tell friends who haven’t worked in Corporate America that I wish they could see the endless stream of identically-dressed men coming in and out of my office. It’s so depressing.

    1. Scott Jenner September 7, 2017 at 1:57 pm

      the key is to save and invest so a man can retire at 40.

      1. Veni Vidi Vici September 15, 2017 at 3:09 pm


      2. Max Power December 12, 2017 at 6:18 pm

        I agree, but they throw up plenty of roadblocks to keep you in the prison.

      3. Domitian February 7, 2018 at 8:33 am

        If I do decide to work corporate, I’ll be saving 50% of my income a year. Should be enough to be free by 40

  3. James September 4, 2017 at 11:13 am

    The truth of your column here helps explain why young single men might be statistically earning less nominal income than single young women. Women are more inclined towards accepting and adapting to the post modern corporate lifestyle. Women don’t realize that their psychic creative and intellectual energies have been depleted, because most of them didn’t have any in the first place. A man can tell when the life has been sucked out him, and he doesn’t like it.

    1. Roosh September 4, 2017 at 11:52 am

      Women like work because they can be social, gossip about others, and spend time with high status men. Take away all that and they’d hate it.

      1. Stephanie G September 4, 2017 at 1:27 pm

        In addition work is still a novelty to a great many women. Don’t forget though that most women are forced into work because no family can survive on the husband’s salary alone.

      2. William September 4, 2017 at 9:44 pm

        Likely, no family with two cars and few home cooked meals.

      3. Veni Vidi Vici September 15, 2017 at 3:13 pm

        And the reason for that? Women entering the workforce.

      4. White Prowler September 25, 2017 at 10:54 am

        Or men won’t marry their crazy asses anymore.

      5. White Prowler September 25, 2017 at 10:53 am

        You forgot the backstabbing. But I live in the South, so I actually do see some women who do their fair share of work. It would probably shock you, but the majority of them do drag the rest of us down with their bullshit.

      6. Robert Taylor February 13, 2018 at 3:52 am

        Also women have sooo many excuses to not work at work!
        And office environments usually have more females than males so the females play their not work at work game together and cover for each other….

    2. Bleuteaux September 4, 2017 at 1:31 pm

      Everything about the modern workforce is inherently feminizing. It’s designed to reduce the testosterone levels of and to domesticate men.

    3. Amanda Furrow September 5, 2017 at 2:47 am

      I can feel life being sucked out of me. But I take care of myself. No one pays my bills for me. Would it be nice to have free time? Yes. I make it a habit to go swimming and go places (like the zoo in omaha nebraska.) And I do that intentionaly. I want to go visit a tropical.setting.and will work on that.

      1. StoicCrane9 September 15, 2017 at 4:09 pm

        Vacation away sounds nice but sometimes it’s bittersweet. Passes so quickly it feels like it didn’t happen nowadays.

      2. White Prowler September 25, 2017 at 10:56 am

        You aren’t marriage material though, and you know it. That’s really the life that’s been sucked out of you.

      3. Amanda Furrow September 29, 2017 at 12:35 am

        No that is not it considering I have turned down marriage proposals.

    1. Anti-Gnostic September 7, 2017 at 1:24 pm

      I would be more concerned about your own mental health issues.

      1. Ciaran Reid September 9, 2017 at 7:24 am

        It’s true.

      2. Speed November 17, 2017 at 8:53 am



  4. londoner_1983 September 4, 2017 at 3:07 pm

    It is tragic that in our brief flicker of existence, seemingly bound on either side by an eternity of nothingness, so many of us spend the majority of our precious and limited time working in utterly pointless office jobs. Day after day, week after week, year after year, we are trapped in the cycle of commuting to and from these pointless jobs where we are sat at desks all day working on pointless nonsense or sat in meetings talking about pointless nonsense. The little spare time we get merely serves as recovery from work and is often consumed by the worry and dread of the imminent and inevitable return to work. It is spirit crushing.

    For so many millions of people, their existence is dominated by this ‘work’. They either live the life of wage slavery, or they can’t afford to live at all. Meanwhile, the governments are pushing the cost of living and the retirement age higher and higher, ensuring that more of us have to live this life and that we’ll be doing it until we drop dead.

    There has to be more to life.

    1. Stephanie G September 4, 2017 at 4:42 pm

      All your troubles come from identifying with the body and mind. Read “Be As You Are” the teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi and learn who you actually are.

      1. positron1 September 28, 2017 at 9:35 am

        An insignificant part of some great collective, I’m guessing? Meh, I’ll keep suffering as an individual, thank you.

      2. Domitian February 7, 2018 at 8:35 am

        We don’t need some Hindu fancies when the West has a solid spiritual foundation of its own, it just has been forgotten by a lot of the mainstream, and corrupted by Protestantism.

    2. Vegard Johansen September 4, 2017 at 4:42 pm

      I sometimes wonder what will happen if/when machines can do tasks such as you`re average office work, and all transportation services etc.
      The Globalist elites will have no use for 90 percent of the people currently inhabiting the planet. In fact they would just be in the way.
      I wonder what policies they would pursue then…

      1. Edward Easterling September 4, 2017 at 11:21 pm

        Fuck the elites. I’m working my own plan.
        They have no further use for me?
        Hell, pal, that feeling is mutual.

      2. White Prowler September 25, 2017 at 10:58 am

        More this guy’s attitude is what society needs. And guess what. More of it they are going to get anyway, but this is how it’s done now. Go lawless even. Fuck your feelings bitches. I’m getting ahead of you because I can and I don’t need none of your permissions for anything. How you feel about that lol

      3. Edward Easterling September 25, 2017 at 8:26 pm

        The elites aren’t helping me. I say fuck ’em. I won’t be fighting their wars either.

      4. DrmurozviPhdZimEconomics September 5, 2017 at 9:54 am

        thats why they plan to kill all with wars and encourage sterile behaviours and life style that are anti family

      5. White Prowler September 25, 2017 at 10:59 am

        That’s why we fight back and elect jerks like Donald Trump to fuck with them lol

      6. Peter Shaw September 11, 2017 at 4:50 pm

        Widespread abortion (here). Widespread euthanasia (on its way)

      7. StoicCrane9 September 15, 2017 at 3:44 pm

        Widespread Android AI(on the way)

        Widespread cloning (on the way)

      8. White Prowler September 25, 2017 at 11:00 am

        Yeah. Obamacare 2.0 lol

      9. StoicCrane9 September 15, 2017 at 3:43 pm

        Sometimes I wonder if Corporations are funding cloning projects in secret and have successfully made the first full body human clone.

        Remember Dolly the sheep years ago? Ever since things in that branch of science have gone suspiciously quiet. If Corporations manage to pull of cloning human society have bigger things to be worried about than just machines taking over.

      10. White Prowler September 25, 2017 at 10:58 am

        A machine can take my eye exam better too.

    3. SabbyS September 4, 2017 at 5:50 pm

      I feel you man. Living in London and working long hours has got to be the worst combination of anything to ever exist. I’m trying so hard so that I can get out of this city and be happy for once.

      1. Jonny_Paycheck November 7, 2017 at 1:09 pm

        Try living in Dakar or Bombay and working the same …rather worse I can promise you.Count your Blessings!

    4. Edward Easterling September 4, 2017 at 11:19 pm

      “The little spare time we get merely serves as recovery from work and is often consumed by the worry and dread of the imminent and inevitable return to work.”

      That’s me on Sunday night, and tonight as well. My heart drops into my gut when I know that tomorrow, if I wake up, I gotta go to work a job that I am determined to rise above and get the hell out of. If this sounds effeminate of me, I don’t care. After three days off, my body still feels like Mike Tyson kicked my ass.

      Anyway, your entire post here is beautifully stated. I see you know.

      1. Petruccio September 12, 2017 at 6:04 pm

        Had a job that was 55 hours per week nearly year round. Started at

      2. positron1 September 16, 2017 at 7:08 pm

        I mostly look forward to cooking for my wife (i like cooking) and seeing my baby daughter when I’m at work. They make my stupid job worthwhile. That said yeah, if you’re a young single guy, you gotta have a plan to get out of the cubicle farm.

      3. White Prowler September 25, 2017 at 11:04 am

        Plan one is TO STAY SINGLE FOR FUCKS SAKE. I have two live in girlfriends at two different places however.

      4. positron1 September 25, 2017 at 8:29 pm

        Sounds complicated, but if it’s working for you why not. Honestly my wife’s pretty much a unicorn or as close as it gets otherwise I’d probably still be single too.

      5. Edward Easterling September 29, 2017 at 9:33 pm

        When I was sixteen, I got what I thought at the time was the most valuable advice of my life.
        “Ed, no matter what you do, don’t ever get married.”
        So, I am now fifty-two, and a confirmed bachelor. Never married.
        I will admit. I feel like now I want a woman as a steady companion and lover. Truth is, with every passing day, I love women more and more.
        I don’t know if God made anything more beautiful than a good woman.

      6. positron1 September 30, 2017 at 9:58 am

        The good news is it could still happen for you. You could even have a kid or two if you want, and you find a young women. Of course as with anything involving women, there’s danger. Appreciate women’s beauty of course, but be well aware of their nature too. I’d take this post from Heartiste to heart:


      7. Edward Easterling September 30, 2017 at 10:33 am

        Thanks positron1. Young women do show interest in me. I would not advise a young man to never marry. But I would advise a young man to be wary. And no matter what, love women as they are, not as we wish they would be.

      8. positron1 September 30, 2017 at 11:12 am

        I tell young guys who are willing to listen that they should avoid marriage before 40. I wish I had. I was your typical pedestalizing beta, refused to see reality and paid dearly for it. Fortunately I learned from my experience and found a good woman the next time around. Seems like you’re going into this with a good attitude and grasp on reality. Good luck!

      9. Edward Easterling September 30, 2017 at 11:21 am

        Thank you. And thanks for the lead to the article by Heartiste. I read part of it, skimmed over some of it, and bookmarked it to read in its entirety later.
        My attitude toward women has improved over the last couple of months. I thank many of the commenters at Rooshv and ROK for that. Plus I thank Roosh and Troy Francis.
        Roosh and Troy Francis are misunderstood. They don’t hate women. They just see women as they are and treat them accordingly.
        Thanks once again for your replies and the heads-up on the article at Heartiste.

      10. Edward Easterling September 29, 2017 at 9:29 pm

        It sounds like you have a good family life. I am happy for you. And it’s alright for a man to cook. Man, I hope everything works out well for you.

      11. White Prowler September 25, 2017 at 11:02 am

        This is me exactly. But I have found a way and you can too brother. Just be relentless and be White. You got the second one down already lol

    5. That Guy Who Goes There September 7, 2017 at 7:16 pm

      The nothingness doesn’t count. Every tiny gap between thoughts is nothingness too but we don’t feel we’re missing out on anything, because we need the space in order to exist at all.

      And yeah I probably do too many psychedelics

    6. Peter Shaw September 11, 2017 at 4:49 pm

      God, that’s so true. What a waste of precious life

    7. StoicCrane9 September 15, 2017 at 4:06 pm

      There is. That’s personally why I’m beginning to turn to the Bible. The whole Book of Ephesians and 1 John 5:19 is taking a whole new meaning for me.

      1Jo 5:19; We know that we originate with God but the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.

      These Governments, these Corporations, Schooling Institutions that peddle false ideology that evolution, The Roman Catholic Church like many other false denominations are in bed with one another to supress spiritually uplifting aims in exchange for temporary material ones.

      Life for people now is in a state of bondage on account of our own imperfections. If people actually lived by and applied in earnest what is actually withing the Bible instead of warping things to make themselves out to be like God as Satan does the Earth would be a paradise.

      1. White Prowler September 25, 2017 at 11:05 am

        Start reading Revelation brother. We are living in the End Times.

  5. Vegard Johansen September 4, 2017 at 3:27 pm

    “Secondly, I realized that my unique male brain is not designed to pay attention for prolonged periods of time in cooperative environments. I did not want to sit down continuously for hours, wait my turn to speak, and pretend to be “nice” to others. I also saw the females present not as my intellectual equals—even if they were smart—but as fodder for sexual fantasies that gave me distracting boners. The women seemed to greatly enjoy this environment, probably because men treated them with great respect just because they were women, regardless of their intellectual contributions”

    …And this is why boys are not doing as well as girls in our educational system anymore.

    1. Stephanie G September 4, 2017 at 4:45 pm

      Hair loss and heart attacks are on the rise amongst female executives,so work sucks out everyone’s soul.

      1. Vegard Johansen September 4, 2017 at 7:10 pm

        I was talking about education/schools being similar to the modern work environment. Not male friendly.

    2. Joel W September 6, 2017 at 7:34 am

      Key word being BOYS. Roosh is allegedly a grown man and this is the whining of a child. Adults learn to deal with things they do not like.

      1. Vegard Johansen September 6, 2017 at 10:51 am

        It`s a problem that now permeates the whole western/Anglo hemisphere. (Feminism etc.) Simply pointing it out is not whining.
        I don`t see Roosh living of welfare, or other peoples money,like most Western women do in one form or another.

      2. Joel W September 6, 2017 at 12:44 pm

        Never said nor implied any of that. But complaining about a whole five hours of actual work in one day is what one would expect from the so-called SJW crowd or clueless socialists. And I am sure working in an office environment is soul sucking, but that us not the only option. I work 12 hour shifts over night, usually on 3 or 4 hours sleep, am a month short of 41, and have absolutely none of these ‘problems.’ And I generally fit 2 sessions at the gym in each day, an hour each. One on my hour lunch break and one after my long shift. The problem isn’t a 40 hour week, its what one does in that 40 hour week.

      3. Vegard Johansen September 6, 2017 at 5:46 pm

        Fair enough, but would still agree with Roosh that working 40+ hours a week is not natural for humans.

        But it obviously depends on the nature of the work.
        More physical outdoors type jobs are closer to emulating a “natural state.”
        I work nights myself, but that is certainly not natural and there are some health issues that are concerning in the long run.
        But I do like the idea of getting the work done in a more concentrated fashion, like a fisherman or something.
        Work really hard for a shorter stint to make money, and then relax and do other things.

      4. Joel W September 11, 2017 at 3:44 pm

        Oh I agree it is far from natural. But so is driving cars but nobody rails against that (other than some eco-nazis). But as adults, we do what we need to do. And for those of us who are actual men, we do it without complaint.

      5. Matthew Edgley September 9, 2017 at 10:15 pm

        Maybe you pulled that off for two days that one week, but I seriously doubt you keep that up normally. You’re an amateur; if you’re gonna lie at least tell believable lies. If you said you sleep 5-6 hours and do 10 hour day shifts with two gym sessions in between, then you would have had me.

        But enough about you. Let’s talk about me. I don’t even bother sleeping; that’s so beta. I spend 10 hours a day in the octagon, another 10 training Navy SEALs, and the other 8 hours I spend consulting for Blackwater’s Erik Prince. Sometimes smash out a session in Gold’s Gym between shifts; back in the day Arnold was always asking me for advice.

        But I agree, I don’t have any of these ‘problems’ either.

      6. Joel W September 11, 2017 at 3:42 pm

        Yup you caught me. That’s what I do. Go around the net and lie about my sleep habits.

        1) I don’t care what you think.
        2) Just because you are weak and can’t get by on that little sleep does not mean the same is true for me.
        3) See number 1 above.

      7. Matthew Edgley September 11, 2017 at 4:44 pm

        Well it wouldn’t be the first time someone lied on the internet. Anyway, you’re responding to me because you do care what I think, but we’ve already established that you’re not in the habit of telling the truth.

        Even insomniacs can’t keep up those sleeping habits long term, so obviously you’re full of shit.

        Anyway, got an appointment with Erik Prince, then I gotta go coach Nate Diaz, then drop into San Diego to congratulate my latest BUD/S graduates.

      8. Joel W September 12, 2017 at 11:04 am

        And this wouldn’t be the first time that I can across an immature troll who would rather act like a child than have an adult conversation. Maybe ask me to elaborate instead of adding your pathetic nonsense and we could have gotten somewhere. And just because I respond most certainly does not mean I care what you think. But I will add this. I work 4 days a week. Usually 3 of those are on very limited sleep. If you can’t function for a whole 3 days on a couple hours of sleep I feel very sorry for you.

      9. epistolero September 18, 2017 at 1:54 am

        You’re using some words that you might want to back off on such as whine, immature, troll, child, adult.

        You don’t want to hang your bloody rags to air near your tent.

      10. Joel W September 18, 2017 at 11:58 am

        Well its immature for an adult to whine about responsibilities.

      11. StoicCrane9 September 15, 2017 at 4:23 pm

        As someone who works over 50 hours a week I 100 percent agree with you. Anyone who criticizes others about bringing these workplace issues to light is just posturing under the guise of masculinity. Either that or they equate masculinity with being a cooperative, overly compliant wage slave to the point they won’t speak up about it.

      12. epistolero September 18, 2017 at 2:13 am

        The primary motivation for making posts like his is envy. Envy is one of the ugliest emotions and speakers, especially men, can get extremely defensive where it’s in play, as it is, by definition, indicative of at least one area of severe weakness.

      13. Joel W September 18, 2017 at 11:59 am

        I am envious of what? Should not assume things about people you do not know. I am perfectly happy with my life.

      14. epistolero September 18, 2017 at 2:06 pm

        Well, I’m stereotyping, of course, you may be an exception. But in my experience, people who instantly take such strong offense to a completely spot-on post like Roosh’s are those who, for what ever reason, couldn’t cut it as actual entrepreneurs themselves. They deal with that by trying to insult or belittle people who have been successful living on their own terms.

      15. Joel W September 18, 2017 at 3:46 pm

        Well I definitely see what you are saying. Nothing I wrote was going against anybody doing their own thing. We all need a roof over our heads. However what one does it matters not. I was only critiquing what came across as a whiny, socialist, entitled, Bernie supporter attitude of the article. But like I said, unlike many of the people here attacking me (as opposed to rational dialogue like you decided to engage in, thank you by the way) who are obviously unhappy with their current situation, Roosh at least realizes what works for him and has done something about it. Basically what I was trying to convey is we don’t live in a socialist fantasy land where we get to nap mid day and play outside all the time. As adults, we have responsibilities. And sometimes these responsibilities do in fact suck. But we can whine like little girls, we can change what we don’t like, or we can man up and do what needs to be done.

        All that said, yes I do feel I am an exception (not special, just an exception. Nobody is special). I absolutely love what I do. I feel a major sense of accomplishment and fulfillment do so. I wake up and almost look forward to going to work. For anybody who doesn’t have the will or ability to run their own business, or who hates ‘office’ work,’ I would highly suggest getting into manufacturing. Especially tech manufacturing. Making things has its own reward, even if it is for a so-called ‘faceless corporation’ (which mine is not, again exception, not rule.). Its not rote work, or mindless labor. In my position, if I make one erroneous calculation, or enter a decimal point at the wrong place, I can literally cost my company upwards of $10 million dollars just like that. Its not a physically exhausting position, in that it isn’t physical labor. But I must keep my mind on point due to the cost of errors. My greatest asset is my mind. And I am thankful everyday that I get paid well to use it.

      16. Joel W September 18, 2017 at 12:13 pm

        Wow, I feel sorry for you and all the people here that feel like this. I also feel sorry for all you fools who just like to assume things about people. None of what I said has anything to do with masculinity. It has to do with being a responsible adult. I like a roof over my head and quality food on my plate. So I do what I need to do to make that happen. If you don’t like your career, don’t whine about it. Change it. While I still think Roosh was being very childish and immature with this article, he at least realizes that ‘corporate’ America is no longer for him, and he did/does what he needs to do. So you and everybody here can call me all the names in the world, I care not one bit. But if you keep whining, then you are children. If you are unhappy with something, change it. But attacking somebody for calling out girl-ish whining only proves every point I have presented here. Responsible adults do what they need to do, without complaint.

      17. Lisa September 28, 2017 at 5:47 am

        Men have been sold a bill of goods. “Be a man; do whatever your employer tells you to.” LOL.

      18. StoicCrane9 September 15, 2017 at 4:19 pm

        Just because you don’t define as a problem doesn’t mean it isn’t one. This psuedo masculinity of “shut up and work through the pain” when it comes to societal grievances only serve to perpetuate underlying issues. If something exploitative isn’t identified as an issue it won’t be regarded as such. That’s next to being fascist.

      19. Joel W September 18, 2017 at 12:16 pm

        Wow another person who has no clue what fascist means. And there is no psuedo anything. Its called being responsible. If you are unhappy where you are change it. Complaining online in this echo-chamber solves nothing and in fact is displaying all of ya’ll being psuedo-masculine. This kind of attitude is truly what I expect from girls fresh out of college. Not alleged grown men

      20. Lisa September 28, 2017 at 5:51 am


      21. StoicCrane9 September 15, 2017 at 4:15 pm

        I work the a 50+ hour work week spanning from 5p to 5a beyond many nights and I can honestly say that your conclusion is a load of bull. Yes, quality use if time is important but if most of one’s time is devoured by frivolous rote work doing the bidding of some faceless company it hardly makes a difference. With each passing day you have that much less time on this Earth to do anything of substantial worth. Are you really going to try and defend the stance of being a wage slave?

      22. Joel W September 18, 2017 at 12:01 pm

        I have more than enough free time, my job is hardly rote work, and frankly, I would do what I do for free if I was that financially independent. If you are unhappy with your career, you have two options. Get a better one, or keep whining about it online.

      23. White Prowler September 25, 2017 at 11:07 am

        It they only knew bro

      24. Joel W September 26, 2017 at 2:38 am

        Not sure what you mean by that???

      25. Lisa September 28, 2017 at 5:43 am

        He lives off the money of people who buy his books. (Not that there’s anything wrong with that. Yay, free market!)

      26. Vegard Johansen September 30, 2017 at 9:06 am

        The difference there is that no one is forcing you to buy Roosh`s books.

        If you don`t pay your`re taxes,(and you really mean it) you will be put in jail and/or shot, depending on where you live.

      27. StoicCrane9 September 15, 2017 at 4:11 pm

        So if we see a problem in society and our own personal lives we’re just supposed to just shut up and act like everything is ripe and peachy? Some backwards thinking.

      28. Joel W September 18, 2017 at 12:01 pm

        Got absolutely nothing to do with what I was talking about.

      29. epistolero September 18, 2017 at 1:36 am

        I’ve paid a sum total of about $1,000 in taxes in my life and I’m approaching late 30s, that’s gross. My total use of government services is probably at close to negro levels. I don’t plan on ever paying another cent in taxes.

        I’m telling you this for no other reason than to piss you off.

    3. White Prowler September 25, 2017 at 11:06 am

      Yeah I always talk dirty to them at work. They love that shit.

  6. Maximus Decimus Meridius September 4, 2017 at 4:04 pm

    Spooky as hell man. This was my EXACT reaction after getting a taste of self-employment with my own business. There was just no going back. Not even poverty scared me. God, there were times all I had was enough money to borrow a DVD movie ($1.50)… from the LIBRARY… to watch on a Saturday night. But when I think back, how happy I was. Indescribable.

    Now, I am back at work full time, but it is seasonal and almost over. The thought of full-time, 40 hrs a week for 52 weeks… scares the hell out of me. It is not the work. My day jobs have been anything but corporate, all physical labour. I enjoy hard work and am not afraid of it.

    It is the lifestyle that full-time working kills that you describe perfectly. It is all well and good to say “discipline” and “focus” and “hustle” to pursue your dreams… but after a 40 hr week… especially if you have to navigate the shit culture of an office (thank God I don’t have to do that)… all you want to do is… veg.

    And it is not that you WANT to veg… some kind of energy DRAIN has taken place in the workplace. It’s like going into a boxing ring, fighting 12 rounds of “let’s see if I can avoid a sexual harassment charge this week unlike poor Mike in accounting”, and then coming home and expecting to just jump into all the things you want to accomplish as if the past 40 hours did not take place. It is very hard.

    And as you get older… fuck it. This is why I can’t seem to get more than 1 post out a week. I enjoy my downtime. I enjoy recharging. And I have no guilt or regret if I don’t “make it” as everyone is harping about all over the money & hustle manosphere.

    What is “making it” anyway? Your article on egos dancing was brilliant because it exposed just how shallow all of this social media personality posturing really is. We have no life at all, so we try to create one and project it “out there” to make ourselves feel loved, accepted, wanted, desired.

    The real problem is… our jobs are slowly killing us. Time… is all we have and to lose 40 hours a week to a job that returns you nothing but a paycheck is… a complete waste of one’s life.

    When man was self-sufficient, in smaller communities with farming and the land the main source of survival, it was YOUR work that provided YOUR life. Their was respect and dignity in it. Now… THEIR work DESTROYS your life… looking forward to our two days of “freedom” every weekend.

    I think there is also something to be said about being unable to get ahead. Boomers put their heads down and worked that full-time job, but they GOT something for their effort. That contract, the middle class and retirement, has been nuked by the globalists. Anyone still running that treadmill of the dream of a middle class life and retirement is deluding themselves. But they can’t admit that to themselves because if they do… the abyss opens wide and they will fall into it.

    All I see around me… are broken men and angry women, sublimating hatred of their lives in passive aggressive behaviour and outright hostility to ANYONE that points out the truth, or decides not to play the game and do as little as possible to maximize his time enslaved vs his time free. (cest moi)

    One day at a time. I work when I need to, when I want to, and for as long as I need or want to (or must)… and after that… my time is my own. For as long as God allows me, or until whatever I am working does break me free for good… I live first and foremost to enjoy life and live it, not die while living in a cubicle for some asshole who is dying in his managers office.

    1. londoner_1983 September 4, 2017 at 4:12 pm

      “looking forward to our two days of “freedom” every weekend.”

      That pretty much sums it up. Sadly, those two days seem to pass in the blink of an eye. One moment it’s 5pm on a Friday and we have the whole weekend ahead of us and then seemingly the next moment it’s 6am on a Monday morning and there are 5 days to endure… again. Brutal.

      1. Maximus Decimus Meridius September 4, 2017 at 4:19 pm

        Yes. Now contrast this to what our ancestors would have been doing (even as serfs).

        You and the community would be HAULING ASS in the fields, harvesting, tilling, reaping, storing, preparing… for the winter to come. All you cared about was 1) having enough food to get you through the winter and 2) shelter to protect you from the worst that winter would bring until spring.

        Outside of that… we were able to play, sing, gamble, drink, go for walks, visit friends and family, practice and hone a skill. Our life was our own, such as it was, and our time ours to do with as we saw fit.

        Harder times? Harsher living conditions? Yes.

        Happier people? I have no doubt.

        All it would take is a couple well placed EMPs… and we would be back to that life in a heartbeat. I shudder at the thought of losing all that we have, but I also shudder at the thought that I would secretly welcome it.

      2. epistolero September 18, 2017 at 2:29 am

        But, but, that’d would kill about 875,000,000 Africans when the white man’s magic stopped.

      3. StoicCrane9 September 15, 2017 at 4:26 pm

        I dont get out until 7am on Saturday. By the time I finish sleeping and lift it’s 7-8pm within a matter of 2-3 hours of wake time. Hardly see people outside of the job nowadays so often it feels like I’m in a different timezone.

    2. Bleuteaux September 4, 2017 at 4:17 pm

      “Boomers put their heads down and worked that full-time job, but they GOT something for their effort.”

      Absolutely. If you are a 20’s or 30’s something single male working in a modern corporate environment, you are getting nothing out of this. A third of your paycheck goes to government, and the rest mostly goes to rent, auto and food costs that have exploded thanks to immigration. Zero job security and an unstable work environment also mean that the gig could implode at any moment.

      1. Maximus Decimus Meridius September 4, 2017 at 4:23 pm

        Yup. I spent last winter looking at education again after 40. Never mind trying to get hired at my age, I just wanted to see what might be out there as I need to be looking.

        But when I looked at the median salaries across the board for a lot of industries… I simply said fuck it. Why waist $20K to $25K a year min… to just be age blocked… to MAYBE get a job starting at $35K to $45K… to MAYBE get to $55K to $65K if I happen to deal myself a straight flush in the field I choose to go into.

        I swear… in another decade, I think ALL men will be out of the workforce, young AND old, especially if they are single and no family to support.

        The implosion of The West is not if… but when.

      2. William September 4, 2017 at 9:50 pm

        The anti-male worker is thrown in our face so often. I just read the CEO of Shutterstock claiming he wants to hire more women because not a full 50% of his employees are women. He runs a cloud-based tech service.

      3. Maximus Decimus Meridius September 5, 2017 at 8:18 pm

        I just watched a doc on Hitler’s Germany that 1) put a tax on singles, men and women. 2) paid a bonus to marry and 3) once married, the wife MUST leave the work force which resulted in 4) returning Germany to full employment (in like under 3 years I believe).

        Just something to think about.

      4. William September 5, 2017 at 10:40 pm

        Modern society now has Hollywood for social engineering. Not long ago, a few teen pregnancy movies and shows were released and guess what, teen pregnancies blipped up. If Hollywood glorified marriages, parenthood, stay-at-home mothers, in a few years there’d be a huge return to traditional families. There’s tons of media-based social-engineering studies and experiences to back this up.

      5. Lisa September 28, 2017 at 6:01 am

        How, exactly, was that “full employment”? More like “how to lie with statistics”. (Oh–and this site isn’t supposed to be pro-Hitler, right?)

      6. Edward Easterling September 4, 2017 at 11:31 pm

        “… in another decade, I think ALL men will be out of the workforce, young AND old, especially if they are single and no family to support.”

        In 2009, when I was laid off, the only criteria used was that I was single and not supporting a family. That was it. Never mind the fact that I actually worked.
        But I agree 100%!

      7. Anti-Gnostic September 7, 2017 at 1:21 pm

        “The implosion of The West is not if… but when.”

        I doubt it.

      8. epistolero September 18, 2017 at 2:33 am

        We have an optimist. I would like to be one too, but I’m afraid the evidence seems not to warrant it.

      9. Vegard Johansen September 4, 2017 at 4:33 pm

        Not to mention that most boomer men got a young, and relatively virginal woman to marry and have kids with.

      10. muzhchina September 4, 2017 at 5:53 pm

        Automation is going to change everything anyway. The way I see things is we probably will have to start considering ideas like universal basic income. This will trigger a lot of people around here but it’s got to be considered.

      11. William September 4, 2017 at 9:50 pm

        Universal basic income will not provide a sense of purpose.

      12. epistolero September 18, 2017 at 2:36 am

        Right. The nogs will loot Foot Locker while carrying the $500 cash in their pocket they got selling the ex American working class Hair-On.

      13. Lisa September 28, 2017 at 6:20 am

        Universal basic income shouldn’t be (and wouldn’t have to be) “welfare” or “an allowance for doing nothing”. Automation has increased corporate profits exponentially: more “widgets” produced with fewer human work hours, therefore higher productivity with lower labor costs. Management might share (WITHOUT sacrificing all of) its increased profits: the (recently-scarcer) available work hours could be distributed among all able-bodied workers. A shorter work week for a living wage. (Fewer hours of soul-sucking work!) Employers and employees could BOTH enjoy the benefits of automation.

      14. Alexis Rodriguez September 4, 2017 at 10:25 pm

        Some immigrants pick food at low costs so they increase the supply food thus decreasing the cost.

    3. Stephanie G September 4, 2017 at 4:51 pm

      Nobody has mentioned long commutes. My brother-in-laws finds his 50+ round trip commute in heavy traffic “draining”.

      1. Bleuteaux September 4, 2017 at 4:54 pm

        Another soul-crushing aspect of modern life, which will only get worse as we add tens of millions of foreigners, plus add tens of millions of the unemployed to the roads who have nowhere to go but are simply driving.

      2. Alexis Rodriguez September 4, 2017 at 10:29 pm

        While you drive to work you can use live streaming sites or twicast to talk to girls in Russia or Japan or China.

      3. Edward Easterling September 4, 2017 at 11:33 pm

        “…finds his 50+ round trip commute in heavy traffic “draining”…”

        So do I.

      4. Solid September 6, 2017 at 10:11 pm

        at least the commute problem will be addressed in the next decade with self driving cars, autopilot and self driving ubers.

      5. Edward Easterling September 7, 2017 at 9:09 pm

        Yeah, but you still gotta take the ride, stuck in traffic.

      6. Lisa September 28, 2017 at 6:23 am

        And energy costs aren’t going down.

  7. KermitTheeFrog777 September 4, 2017 at 4:29 pm

    Same thing for me right now: quit office work last year to focus exclusively on my own ideas, but recently picked up a retail job to get by while I get things moving. I was immediately reminded of all that you said which i experienced before.

    My advice to anybody in this boat is to force yourself into an early morning person. I NEVER was before, but I found I only had mental energy for my projects before work (never after). You have to WANT to advance your ideas; this will show you if youre sincere or not. Once you adjust, you will probably find youre happier and have more energy after work too. Try taking a little melatonin 30 min before sleep, and coffee when you wake, to train your circadian rhythm.

    I found I didnt have the energy to continue bodybuilding on this routine, but worked out casually just to feel good and maintain my current state. Also, I found I stopped browsing internet boards l, as I was wont to do for hours per week before.

  8. Stephanie G September 4, 2017 at 4:48 pm

    I know some long-term unemployed people. They seem surpringly happy given their circumstances.

    1. Bleuteaux September 4, 2017 at 5:28 pm

      What is their financial situation?

      1. Stephanie G September 4, 2017 at 9:25 pm

        They are poor but happy.

      2. William September 4, 2017 at 9:52 pm

        Usually an unspoken safety net: spouse, parents, passive-income.

  9. SabbyS September 4, 2017 at 5:45 pm

    I share your pain Roosh, except I have a morbid obsession with escaping work and the corporate world to a world where I have complete freedom to choose how I want to live and spend my productive hours.

    Everyday I dream about having an apartment/penthouse along the coast in a cheap, decent Eastern European or Mediterranean country such as Montenegro or Bulgaria. Where my life consists of hitting the gym and the boxing club daily, riding a Triumph T120 around the country, chasing tail, and waking up to the sweet sound of no alarm clocks.

    In reality I work 60 hours a week in construction, 6 days a week. I don’t have time to go to the gym anymore. My belly is starting to come out again thanks to my bad eating habits – all of last years dieting and exercise gone to waste. Where I used to play sports as a kid, now I play a bit of the PS4 (The Witcher 3 for anyone wondering – incredible game, great books too) in the spare hour I have when I get home before 7pm. I wish I’d get more sleep and I am constantly tired. I have no desire to talk to anyone.

    Work, especially my work, is soul crushing and I am working so damn hard to retire early. The pay is good so theres that. But it always feels like an uphill battle. I take one step forward, and then two steps back.

    Of course I need to get my act back together. I need to start sleeping well and hitting the gym again. But its much easier said than done when you have to work like a dog.

    1. positron1 September 4, 2017 at 7:57 pm

      Do you have a bachelor’s degree? If you do, you might consider the Peace Corps. There’s a lot of SJW BS you have to deal with, but if you can hold your tongue through that for 27 months, you can make some good connections in EE and learn the language in your service country, if you work hard at it.

      Even if you don’t have the degree, try to somehow save up somewhere between 10k and 20k and take off for Ukraine or some other incredibly cheap country. Teach English or something. I know it sounds risky, but if you’re young and unattached (no kids, no wife) you gotta take the risk. Life is to short to just work, work, work.

    2. epistolero September 18, 2017 at 2:44 am

      Only thing about the no alarm clocks thing is that it sounds a lot better than it is. Believe me, if you’re a dude who’s passionate about stuff you’re going to have to start enforcing a schedule at some point. Otherwise, you’ll end up living 20 hour days and sleeping 5+ hours.

      That might sound neat, but you end up on jet-lag-inducing schedules that will make you feel like you’re in the depths of an eight-beer used buzz, five hours after you get up. Jet lag is a serious bitch and it will zap your productivity worse than a bad hangover.

      It’s best to wake up at roughly the same time every day.

    3. TyKo Steamboat September 28, 2017 at 4:40 am

      I literally live that life in Odessa Ukraine. (except I rent)

    4. Lisa September 28, 2017 at 6:33 am

      Sounds like physical labor can be as soul-sucking as an office job (not to mention, near-impossible to sustain very far into midlife). Which is the problem with those “let’s all go live off the land” schemes.

  10. SOL September 4, 2017 at 5:50 pm

    Trade > office job.

    1. positron1 September 4, 2017 at 7:58 pm

      If I ever have a son, I’m going to encourage him to avoid college and become an underwater welder.

      1. William September 4, 2017 at 9:53 pm

        By time he grows up, the majority of married couples will have a higher-income spouse. He’ll just have to find a wife.

  11. positron1 September 4, 2017 at 7:53 pm

    About five years ago, I had no debts, about 80k in the bank, and a choice. I could take off for EE and spent two years relaxing and working on becoming a freelance software developer, or I could marry my girlfriend. I chose…the latter.

    I can’t say I regret it. She met most of the standards in your (Roosh’s) “7 Things I Require In The Future Mother Of My Child” except for the two least important to me (skin tone and being under 25) and she’s been an excellent wife for the most part. We have a little baby girl and she’s the joy of my life, really never imagined how happy having a kid could make me.

    The downside is yeah, I’m doing the 40-hour-week-office-job thing. Can’t think of another way to make ends meet for now, especially since I want my wife to be a full time homemaker. I find I have to look at each day as a fight against an enemy that wants to break me. I do most of my cooking on the weekends, to avoid eating shitty processed food during the week. I get up early on weekdays, do a brief but tough workout, then during the work day I focus on my long-term goals rather than the despair and negativity around me. At night the wife and I do Bible study and thank the Lord for our many blessings, then the next day I wake up and repeat.

    You can live a decent life in corporate America if you know you’re there for a reason, but you have to look at it as a fight and recognize that it’s not going to be easy.

  12. William September 4, 2017 at 9:42 pm

    I’ve spent many years experimenting with various eating and nutritional plans to maximize energy as I age. For me (and many), keto/paleo with intermediate fasting spans of at least 16 hours will put me ‘in the zone’ for increased productivity.

  13. hand_drill September 4, 2017 at 10:34 pm

    I’ve done 2nd and 3rd shift office work for about 6 years. Its not that bad, very few women want to work past 6pm and management doesn’t care as long as you show up.

  14. Edward Easterling September 4, 2017 at 11:12 pm

    Wow Roosh! Why in the world would you want to go back to work?
    Man, I am 52. Writing an action adventure book. And Monday thru Friday I don’t get a word of writing done, mostly. Because I am physically tired and sore, mentally and emotionally drained. Off on the weekends.

    “The first side effect I experienced was having practically no thinking ability left over after work. It was extremely difficult to do my own writing—my brain simply didn’t want to cooperate.”

    Saturday I am a vegetable. Sunday I get some writing done. But it is taking longer than I want it to finish this book.
    My job is physically demanding. I work in a warehouse (actually two, a hundred yards apart, exposed to the elements).
    Stocking and selecting orders. Bitches where I work have no qualms what-so-ever about running my nuts in the ground everyday. And I am outside plenty. Rain, shine, hot, cold, tornado watch, etc.; doesn’t matter.

    Next week I am on vacation. After the negativity drains out of me on Saturday, I am writing most of my vacation. I’ll worry about a cover, editor, proof-reader, and marketing, when I am finished. And starting a second book.

    Roosh, and every man here, what the hell, all the women who drop in and read too! If you can get out of the rat race stay out of the rat race. It’s a physical trap and a mind fuck contraption. It depletes us, deceives us, and never completes us.
    Good article Roosh. Appropriate for wrapping up Labor Day; just another day of rest for me.

  15. Rooshta September 4, 2017 at 11:23 pm

    Roosh, you never answered my question what happened to the Brazilian girl from Dead Bat? Do you know or no?

    What do you do for retirement? Do you just invest in an IRA? The thing about what you’re doing is that it’s fine for now, but because the American healthcare system is so messed up you can go bankrupt easily if you have a medical expense.

  16. Freddy September 5, 2017 at 10:30 am

    What sort of project was it, if you don’t mind sharing?

    1. Roosh September 6, 2017 at 5:26 am

      Something that matched one of my personal interests… nothing actually business related.

  17. LH September 5, 2017 at 11:32 am

    You cannot luxuriate with a flippant career when you have a wife and a bunch of kids.

  18. Clark Kent September 5, 2017 at 12:24 pm

    This is my current grind actually.
    The only thing I’d add is that the commute itself contributes a great deal to this feeling of tiredness and just wanting to be away from the city, the advertisements, and the endless waves of humans scurrying about.
    If I wasn’t living way below my means and saving every penny, I wouldn’t be able to justify it to myself. I’d honestly rather play guitar on the street and collect change than scrape by at a 40 hour a week job.
    I balance my weekday office job with a weekend bar job and to be honest the added excitement of looking after drunk people wears off after a while too. It’s not just office jobs that can leave you mentally and physically drained.

  19. Mr Lemon September 5, 2017 at 2:13 pm

    I worked a 40 hour job to pay for wife and kids. The job killed me. I have terminal cardiac disease which the doctor said almost certainly was caused by years of stress. I’ll die in a year or two…before I’m 60…and will never see my grandchildren, or even see my kids graduate from college. I cannot put in words the rage and terror.

    1. Solid September 6, 2017 at 10:27 pm

      wow. that one really moved me. cheer up my friend and think of the positive and joyful points in your life. rage and terror brng nothing but more pain.

      Your post humbled me, and switched off this rage that I had for the last 3 weeks.

      I hope you find your inner peace.

    2. That Guy Who Goes There September 7, 2017 at 7:30 pm

      Well fuck, time to quit & max out that credit and enjoy the time left! Maybe take out a long-term lease a new luxury car.

    3. i586 September 8, 2017 at 5:12 pm

      You should let go of the past and just enjoy your present time.Take up pursuits like the Church or other types of spirituality (like those discussed on Return of Kings). The most important thing is to be happy each day. Your kids will be grateful for what you have done for them.

  20. spicynujac September 5, 2017 at 2:59 pm

    It’s only when you leave the rat race do you really see how absurd it is. I could never go back to it. I currently earn a good salary (well above median income) in the US, but could survive on around $1,000 a month. I do, actually. The rest is all stacked as savings. But the money is not worth it. Quality of life wins every time.

    1. Stephanie G September 7, 2017 at 10:00 am

      I hope that inflation is not eating away silently at your ‘savings’?

  21. Gen. E. Lee September 5, 2017 at 6:40 pm

    Work to live, do not live to work

    1. Kotoula September 20, 2017 at 11:23 pm

      This is the motto in Greece lol

  22. Ron September 5, 2017 at 10:46 pm

    Long time reader but first time commenting. What can i say…. i hate my job. I work as a commericial roofer for portuguese morons here in ontario canada and these guys want to go home. I put in a minimum of 60 hours a week and sometimes 70+. I have very little education and have to take care of my mother and sister so i dont have that many options but to stick it out. Recently discovered jujitsu so i do that on days where im home early to relieve stress. Before that i was literally drinking all day just to deal with these money hungry fags. Theyre the worst people to work for! I wish i coukd get by with just 50 hours and not have people trying to fire me or struggle with the high cost of living here in southern ontario.

    1. Ron September 5, 2017 at 10:47 pm

      **Never want to go home

  23. jayteeniftb September 6, 2017 at 2:49 am

    When it comes to solving problems, speed is a necessary inconvenience, rather than a preferable convenience.
    Just more proof how depraved and diluted our modern environment has become.

  24. Joel W September 6, 2017 at 7:35 am

    Holy geez is this a joke? When did you turn into a 14 year old girl? Five whole hours of work and you are mentally exhausted? Boo friggin hoo. FYI, there is nothing unique about you or your brain. It is the same brain as 99.9% of teenagers. The horror of being near females and not being able to bang them. If you can’t be in a room with women and only fantasize about them and get boners (real mature terminology) then the problem is with you, not the women or the job. The horror of having manners and waiting your turn to talk. The horror of dealing with people period. This is seriously the most pathetic thing I have ever read in my life.

    1. Solid September 6, 2017 at 10:31 pm

      lollll now that you put it this way I kind of agree.

  25. Rich Zubaty September 6, 2017 at 1:22 pm

    Quit masturbating and you’ll have more energy!

  26. Dan Timmons September 6, 2017 at 1:42 pm

    I’m 60. In spite of three divorces in my past, I’ve got me FU money, thank God, mostly accumulated from decades of self-employment.

    It certainly appears that, employment-wise, corporate America has become giant shit sandwich for the typical man, owing to globalization, immigration, and the feminization of the workplace. I feel horrible for the young guys navigating it. My son is dealing with it now – he has a decent job, but works long hours, accepts a fair degree of performance pressure, at a salary which is less, adjusted for inflation, than I saw at his age back when I drew a paycheck.

    My advice to you young guys is to figure out a way into self-employment. It’s not easy to do, but does have its advantages over being a cubicle drone. Or just hunker down in your job and accept that it is what it is, all while taking good care of your body and your mind the best you can. Oh, and don’t get married.

    1. Anti-Gnostic September 7, 2017 at 1:18 pm

      “Oh, and don’t get married”.

      Three divorces, huh. You would have thought after the first one you would have learned your lesson. Regardless, men will decide for themselves, thank you very little for your advice.

  27. Michel Houellebecq September 6, 2017 at 4:01 pm

    “I recently took on a month-long project that served as a corporate job simulator, a full decade after quitting my microbiologist career.”

    Jesus Christ! i’ve been reading Roosh since his “DC Bachelor” days! What a wild journey it’s been from DC nightclub reviews, to.. well I’m not even sure what to call what Roosh does now.

  28. Michel Houellebecq September 6, 2017 at 4:07 pm

    Thirdly, the work environment created so much inner tension that I strongly ached for doses of pleasure in the form of alcohol, coffee, sugar, or masturbation. I successfully quit coffee for the three months prior but now I craved it daily. I’d masturbate after lunch instead of wait until the late evening. I sought out sugar and other carb-based foods far more than usual. I also allowed excuses of fatigue to decrease my gym routine. The main ways my body wanted to relieve work tension was through actions that are likely to cause obesity, decreased muscle mass, and other forms of body degradation.

    This is me now, especially the lack of motivation to go to the gym on days I work. I think about quitting everyday.

  29. heysus christo September 6, 2017 at 5:58 pm

    I’m a corporate drone. It pays ok. I’m surrounded by semi-attractive 20-somethings that HR tells me I can’t fck. I don’t plan on being here my whole life. I see guys 15-25 years older than me at my job and they look like shells. Hunched over. Ratty new balance sneakers. Beer belly. Wedding ring. I look at them and swear that won’t ever be me…hopefully.

  30. New to the red September 6, 2017 at 8:43 pm

    Were not born to be happy. We are born to work and leave something of us behind.

    1. Solid September 6, 2017 at 10:36 pm

      one major source of happiness is being productive and usefull.
      I kind of agree with you

  31. Scotcho Rouleau September 6, 2017 at 10:03 pm

    I found this article vibrant, diverse and overflowing with tolerance.

  32. Gopal Aggarwal September 7, 2017 at 3:55 am

    Beautiful words, and incisive observations on the 40 hours routine.

  33. patrick wagner September 7, 2017 at 6:26 am

    What did William Wallace (aka.Braveheart, aka Mel Gibson) say?, – “Everyone lives and dies, but how many people really LIVE?”

  34. philosopher September 7, 2017 at 1:21 pm

    ”The first side effect I experienced was having practically no thinking ability left over after work.”

    neurology has proven that our ‘willpower’ is VERY limited, contrary to popular belief, and that once it’s drained for the day, there’s no more of it left.

    1. Lisa September 28, 2017 at 6:50 am

      Which is why it’s BS when society tells us to “pull ourselves up by our own bootstraps” by working 40-60 hours a week AND in our “spare time” improve our lot by taking classes or cultivating a side hustle. For most people–NOT just “slackers”–it really ISN’T feasible.

  35. Scott Jenner September 7, 2017 at 1:57 pm

    Agree! Once a man is past 45, it gets rough to even find and keep a corporate job! Men need to start small business with flexible schedule and work hours.

    1. David Japaridze September 12, 2017 at 12:56 am

      What kind of business would you start if you had let’s say 30-40K saved up?

      1. Scott Jenner September 12, 2017 at 12:49 pm

        construction, espresso cart, something simple that people need

  36. Reader September 7, 2017 at 11:10 pm

    Most men are stuck between not having enough time and not having enough money.

    I work 20h a week, which leaves me with enough time to actually have something resembling a life in a nice condo in Thailand with a gym and pool, however I live among thai idiots and my choice of women are empowered femnazis from the west or feeble minded locals. Neither is desirable to me.

    If I could live a normal life in NYC or LA while working 40h a week I’d gladly do so, however this was only an option for our parents generation and unless I criminally obtain a couple millions this is just not going to happen for me as a European.

  37. D Beguiled September 8, 2017 at 3:14 pm

    As honest as this article is, you still couldn’t bring yourself to divulge the side effect that few know.


  38. RASER September 8, 2017 at 8:42 pm


  39. skillett September 9, 2017 at 6:52 pm

    Interesting, as that is what I do daily. At least I get three weeks vacation every nine weeks, and five weeks at Christmas. My next holiday is October 1st. I know what I am doing is dehumanizing, but it is a deal I made with myself when my son was born in 1996. I needed a job with a retirement. In just under seven years, I will retire, never to work again. But I will have put the best of me into being a bureaucrat.

    I am glad to see it is possible to do what Roosh is doing, but I would never choose that. I do plan on trying something along those lines at retirement. Something like a suburban libertarian revolutionary gardener and shooting blog.

    Or maybe I will just teach in a community college part time (easy to do), draw my check, and see if I can submit an occasional article to ROK as a hobby.

  40. bep September 9, 2017 at 11:56 pm


  41. Scott Jenner September 10, 2017 at 2:13 pm

    Learn a trade that cannot be outsourced and get paid well work outdoors and start business. Few if any smelly vaginas work in the construction trades!

  42. Boomerexpat September 11, 2017 at 12:25 pm

    About 25 years ago, as I was entering the corporate world, there was a survey reported on in BusinessWeek of older middle managers. The vast majority felt they had “wasted” their lives. They gave up time for hobbies, family and fun just to end up as a senior manager in some soul sucking job which is what almost all corporate jobs are. (Things are even worse these days.)

  43. Tim September 11, 2017 at 1:17 pm

    Last year I started investing in real estate. I have two neutrally geared units. Within a few years they will be positive and give me cash every fortnight after paying the bank. I just need a few more and then I’ll get rid of this testosterone lowering nurse job. Get into property. Read rich dad poor dad. Soon I will travel the world. I only wish I started doing this right after the GFC when real estate was dirt cheap.

    1. Gorgonzola September 3, 2018 at 3:13 pm

      Tim, you still work as RN? Trying to find alternatives here too.

  44. d ghu September 11, 2017 at 1:18 pm


    I work for the railroad and I feel exactly as you described in your article. I have worked here since I was 21 and I will be 40 in less than 2 years. My plan is to work here a few more years, buy a motorcycle and play around on it. Ride it to the California coast on my month long vacation and quit and go back to college or do another job…after say 43.

  45. Kostja September 11, 2017 at 3:37 pm

    You are right Roosh, I am now in my late fifties and I often quit my job and travelled around the world. I met beautiful woman and had an adventures life style, learned other languages and other things. I don´t regret anything. I f I had known this when I was younger I never went to University, where I waisted my time. For some years I also had a corporate career. I was eager to make money and a career, but I was always a bit different as my colleagues, I am half greek, so I made some culture mistakes and was forced to quit my job and end my career, but that was my luck other wise I would had have a corporate career like my my friends and would be a very unhappy men. Which most of them are now. Now as I am older, and it is not easy to get a job, especially when you have a kind of an not so steady career, I have found a nice niche to work and earn enough money to have e decent life and enough time to pursuit my interests. I enjoy reading your articles and from time to time I show them to my younger friends, this is my contribution to a better world. If we don´t change yourself, the world will become a pussy world and the humanity will have no future.

  46. kelley September 11, 2017 at 5:15 pm

    chronic laziness, way i figure it

  47. David Japaridze September 12, 2017 at 12:50 am

    I am 40, working a soulless corporate job. The thought of working in this matrix is horrifying. I do make close to six figures but I am utterly unhappy. I have managed to save 50 K and if I sold my condo, I could get another 30 K, no wife, no kids and I do speak Russian. Any suggestions as to what would you do if you were me? I am open to moving away from here. As long as I can cover my basic life expenses I would be happy. Is it difficult to get a job for Americans in Easter Europe? I have a degree in finance if that matters and have worked in banking for 22 years.

    1. DerWeltenbummler! September 16, 2017 at 3:02 am

      Do you know MrMoneyMoustache? Check him out!

      If you are making close to six figures and have only managed to save 50 K, it seems to me that you’ve got a spending problem.

      If you want to quit the rat race, here’s the deal:

      Frugality, patience, sacrifice

      1. Stephan B September 19, 2017 at 12:13 pm

        Invest in cryptocurrency,
        Buy btc, ltc, eth, omg and a few other quality coins

    2. TyKo Steamboat September 28, 2017 at 4:29 am

      Rent your condo out. Don’t sell

  48. Petruccio September 12, 2017 at 6:16 pm

    Been there, done that, Roosh. Had a job that started at 0600 for six days per week. Mandatory 55-hour weeks nearly year-round. Friday nights were killed because of early work day on Saturdays. At the end of the work week, I was simply too tired to go out, let alone flirt with women or go to the gym. Sunday nights were the worst. I finally got to relax, and then I became a miserble SOB at 20:00 knowing that I’d be back in the grind standing on concrete in 10 hours.

  49. S H September 13, 2017 at 10:05 pm

    What about guys with kids? Takes a lot more to support a family than live alone. Esp if your wife stays at home.

  50. Nick September 14, 2017 at 4:42 am

    For guys that are stuck in the grind but find it hard to imagine something else, I highly recommend taking a 3-6 month leave of absence if you can. It’ll open your eyes to what life can be like outside of the 9-5. It’s a good way to test the waters for relocating, especially to another country if you’ve been considering it. 2-4 week vacations aren’t nearly enough.

  51. SmartSumo September 14, 2017 at 4:12 pm

    Great article. Might have been my wake up call to leave my corporate job and start my next venture.

  52. Zach N September 15, 2017 at 2:26 am

    Even for young guys like me it can be hard. I’m 19 and I recently was working 60-75 hours a week detailing 1,300 brand new pickups for local dealerships. It took about a month, but with overtime I still only made $2,000 net.

  53. StoicCrane9 September 15, 2017 at 3:38 pm

    Man. Not only do I work full-time I work 11hr+ days doing manual labor. From 5p to 5a most days with only an hr break. I’m probably going to look for another soon. Saved alot because I have no time to spend anything but time is too precious to prostitute to a job of all things.

  54. Reader Writer September 17, 2017 at 5:07 am

    I am software developer and now my life became boring. I have no time to take care of myself and unable to give myself some time to enjoy. I stuck in metro city. 2 years passed and I could not manage to go to my parent’s native place to meet them due to stupid corporate job which gives me 10 days leave for year. Such meager leaves are consumed by myself just to keep up myself to do work. This job sucks me. I Indian where I have to work hard for 10 to 12 hours a day. I have to squeeze hard to get some time from whatever time is remaining. I have to spend this hard squeezed time for my family(one wife and two kids). If I had not not family responsibility then I could not have continued with such job. I am thinking over to start some business where I do what want to do and take my own decision. I can also manage to get time for myself for health and enjoyment then I would not feel like robot. When I work in office, I also feel that I am not male or feel myself like a stupid beta male. I hate hypocrisy and acting of be nice in office.

    1. Lisa September 28, 2017 at 7:07 am

      If you come up with a business that doesn’t require being “nice” to customers of any kind, please let the rest of us in on it.

  55. epistolero September 18, 2017 at 12:53 am

    I haven’t worked a square job in well over a decade. Roosh nails it dead center.

  56. TheOnceAndFutureKing September 18, 2017 at 9:33 pm

    I can relate. I used to work 8-10 hour shifts at a factory for 5-6 days a week, and it was rotating shifts.

    On the day shift weeks, all I could do after work is eat, jerk off, and sleep. I was so tired, I didn’t even have the energy for a videogame or book. On the afternoon shift weeks, all I could think about in the morning was going to work, and it only felt like I had two hours to chill, so it was hard to relax.

    Saturday was really the only day I had to myself since I still had to go to bed early on Sunday for the Monday shift. Even on Saturdays I had no energy for anything, I was just so glad I had a whole day where I could do nothing.

    The week I quit that job, I had so much energy that I was literally painting landscapes and developing a new workout routine. I felt reborn.

    These soul sucking jobs are not worth it. Whats the point in all the money you earn if you have no freedom? I pity married guys even more.

    My advice is to develop some kind of profitable skill you could use online, and get a part time job on the side so it doesn’t take up too much time.

    1. Edward Easterling September 29, 2017 at 10:11 pm

      “My advice is to develop some kind of profitable skill you could use online, and get a part time job on the side so it doesn’t take up too much time.”

      Good thing about a part-time job on the side is:
      1) It helps keep you from isolation.
      2) It puts extra money in your hands.
      3) It’s a good place to meet chicks, sometimes.

      If anyone gets a large sum of money in a one-time event, put the money to work for you. Seriously. It’s the best way to ensure you never have to work again unless you want to.
      Spending sprees don’t stop until you’re broke. By then it’s too late to be sorry.
      Put the money to work for you. Make your money grow.

    2. John July 5, 2018 at 12:55 am

      You should pity married guys. A lot of them are caught in a prison.

      1. TheOnceAndFutureKing July 5, 2018 at 1:13 am

        exactly, alimony and child support are criminal

  57. klm September 23, 2017 at 6:23 am

    What about working 16 hours a day.You have to survive though.

  58. Fny Wlch September 24, 2017 at 10:51 am

    Story of my life right now. I’m a 4th year engineering student. As part of the requirements for my 4th session I have to be on internship for six whole months. This is the 4th month and I feel like I’ve lost my life already working from 8 – 5 everyday except Saturday and Sunday. I’ve lost muscle mass, wake up every morning to “fuck I hate my life”. Can barely focus on things I used to find fun. This article is the story of my life.

  59. Owen Gilmore September 24, 2017 at 1:46 pm

    I hear you brother. Too late for me, but not for others. Cruise ship bartender….hmmm…. 🙂

  60. Grippen September 24, 2017 at 5:41 pm

    What a sad post…this is how I’ve been feeling for the last couple of years. Tired, without motivation, drained…I always thought it was an attitude thing until I read your post that fully describes how I also feel.

    I’m not lucky enough to live in the USA. Where I am, we HAVE TO work 48 hours per week, plus it’s expected to give the “extra mile” and work 1 or 2 hours more. Salary is shit, workload is enormous and I barely make ends meet.

    I do not live a luxurious life, I know since years the importance of saving and investing, yet I’ve never felt so trapped.

    Can’t wait to quit and start something of my own, move to a place I actually like and/or take there a simple job just to pay for the basic stuff, something that doesn’t take half day off my life.

    Some of my dad’s friends are now mine, all of them retired. Everybody agrees that the current situation with jobs is awful.

  61. White Prowler September 25, 2017 at 10:38 am

    Meh I do actually love to work hard. But I’m moving toward getting my own business again and eventually a lot of business pursuits. I’m just too smart and work too hard to make money for someone else. I’m pretty confident that I will become a millionaire within the next five years or less and will become a powerful influential man with everything life has to offer me.

    Don’t run from hard work. Just make it work for you when you are ready to take it to the next level.

    1. Edward Easterling September 29, 2017 at 10:01 pm

      You have my best regards. And the best of fortune to you.

  62. Thinking September 27, 2017 at 11:01 pm

    I probably shouldn’t have read this post of yours because just this week I have made up my mind to apply for a political job which will require me to 12, 14 and 16 h per day. Hmm.

  63. TyKo Steamboat September 28, 2017 at 4:17 am

    I used to work in the politically correct hell for about 6 years. It was equality, skin color coordinated & extra sensitivity to a heterosexual white man in an office.
    I was wrongfully fired & the state of Colorado actually stood with me & I received a nice settlement.
    Now, I work during the ski season. For 4 months a year I work 55 hours a week. 7 days. My longest streak was 72 days in a row.
    Then Mid-April to Mid-November its just hiking, seaside, gym & chicks.
    I’d like to thank the evil, black, Jamaican marsupial that thought she was screwing me over by firing me.

  64. Papa Selo October 4, 2017 at 6:18 am

    In my mid 20s and resonate strongly with all of the above.

    I don’t typically work for larger corporations, but I did recently. This was the first time I started drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes daily. I’ve always been able to manage consumption before I’d do them at a whim, mainly while socializing.

    I socialized less often after work because my coworkers were a cause of mental drain. I’ve had to block all their numbers because they still text me about their problems. The worst part is how it kills creativity. I’d just watch Netflix after work instead of working on personal projects.

  65. dds100 October 5, 2017 at 9:37 pm

    Working those extra hours just produces taxes that goes to someone else’s agenda.

    Don’t be a slave.

  66. Andrew January 1, 2018 at 12:38 pm

    The energy cost is what traps you….you don’t have the energy to learn outside of work and you hate the job so much that on the weekends all you want to do is relax.