The Hypocrisy Of American Feminism

This is a guest post by Athlone McGinnis.

There is a significant difference in the nature of Swedish feminism versus American feminism: the latter wants to have things both ways (“We’re totally equal but men should still be chivalrous”), while Swedish feminists appear to actually mean equality when they say it.

I don’t think that American men hate feminism in and of itself. The vast majority of American men don’t have a problem with legal and occupational equality for women, but what really irks them is the hypocrisy of it all. The root cause of it is the uniquely arrogant nature of American feminism, whereby women demand more power without any consequences. The basic fundamental nature of these issues is defined by a female desire to have their cake and eat it too.

Consider the following issues:

1. “Manning up.” Females here want to ride the cock carousel in youth while shunning commitment from the beta males who do want it, sometimes outright insulting them. Then they want to age while shaming and harping on them to “man up.” Have cake, eat cake.

How can a man win in this situation? When he tries to be the nice, committed, idealistic romantic that women say they want, he gets shunned. The feminists label him a “Nice Guy” ™, which in their lexicon is code for creepy loser with an agenda. So he is shamed for “manning up.”

Assuming the guy isn’t an idiot, he proceeds to adapt. He learns game, stops taking women out on dinner dates, and keeps things more casual. His success improves. He mans up in a way that women weren’t expecting, but then as he ages, he once again encounters problems. Now those same women who “didn’t want to get serious” suddenly want to get serious. They shunned him for wanting to commit so he stopped committing, and it worked. Now they shame him for not committing enough and failing to “man up.” Since they’re rapidly aging, they want back the cake they ate (read: rejected) in their prime, expecting the former “nice guy” to provide it.

2. Obesity. Fat women in America want to eat however they like and maintain zero impulse control or discipline, but they also want to be treated as though they were fit, cute girls without looking the part. They shouldn’t be called unattractive or unhealthy even though they are unattractive and unhealthy. Have cake, eat cake (literally).

3. Divorce laws. “We as women are entirely equal to men intellectually and socially, but we still want alimony, and will proceed to initiate 75% of all divorces even though we were the ones begging men to ‘man up’ and marry us in the first place.” They beg men to man up, and yet promote a legal system that gives men very little incentive to do so. Have cake, eat cake.

4. “I just want a nice, reliable guy.” After saying this she proceeds to bang the idiotic DJs down the street while ignoring the “nice, reliable” guys she does know. Says one thing, does another. Had the cake, ate the cake. Later on, she’ll wonder where all of the good guys went, and you’ll start hearing her call for her male peers to “man up.”

5. Don’t know how to cook. Roosh mentioned this one on his list of 42 Things Wrong With American Women. Not knowing how to cook isn’t really a bad thing in and of itself. The problem comes when you insert hypocrisy. These same women who lack cooking and other domestic skills (i.e., cannot fill a traditional feminine gender role) expect men to fulfill traditional male gender roles (pay all the bills and be chivalrous). Again, they want to have their cake and eat it too. It is equal when they like it, misogynistic when they do not.

6. Sex Tourist. Women who travel are always “broadening their horizons” and “discovering the world”. Nobody is going to question a woman who wants to take a trip to Latin America for a summer. A guy, though? Probably a sex tourist. Nevermind the fact that quite a few older women travel to parts of the Caribbean trying to “Rent a Rasta.”

Take the movie Heading South as an example, about older American female sex tourists in Haiti sexing up and generously compensating young Haitian teens. It received solid reviews and even a few awards at Venice in 2005. Let’s imagine a movie with a very similar premise except the protagonists this time are American men in the Dominican Republic sexing up teenage girls. How well received do you think that would have been?

7. They have standards way beyond their level of attractiveness. This is another item off Roosh’s list of 42. Fat girls here don’t lower their standards. They do not limit themselves to a guy with a similar BMI. They want a dude with 10-12% body fat, just like every other chick. Yet whenever men complain about not being able to date a woman on their own level, women label their standards “unrealistic” by saying, “Clearly you’re just looking at the wrong girls! Maybe the problem is you!”

Women can want whatever their hearts desire and state it openly, but men are shamed for voicing those same wants. She is free to go on and on about her 400+ point list of requirements (“He’s gotta be at least 6’2″, has to have a masters, must make at least six figures, needs to be handsome”), but when a man starts with his much shorter list (“She needs to be loyal, caring, but I’d like her to also be thin…”), he is a delusional misogynist promoting unhealthy standards of beauty.

8. Cougars. Older women sport-fucking men half their age is fine. Those women are empowered, embracing their sexuality. Who cares if she just hit 40 and the guy is barely old enough to buy alcohol? Now let’s replace the 40-year-old female cougar with a 40-year-old male businessman, and the 21-year-old college dude with a 21-year-old female co-ed. What happens?

Whereas the cougar was “empowered” and not widely criticized for engaging in a relationship with such a huge age gap, he is a “dirty old man”. He is obviously going through a mid-life crisis, even though she clearly wasn’t (and we all know that women hit their sexual prime at 35…right? RIGHT?).

All of this is easy to see through, and that is why men hate it so much. It is just too wildly transparent and self-serving. Equal pay and legal rights are fine, but feminism here isn’t demanding that. It’s asking for female dominance, not equality, and that is somewhat infuriating. Modern, mainstream third-wave American feminism seems to very strongly support, or fail to criticize, these constant double standards. This is why men hate it.

Getting back to the Scandinavian question, Swedish feminists may be outspoken in their demand for absolute equality, but they’re not going to encourage their women to eat and look like land-whales while still nurturing ridiculously high standards for men, which is part of why they have only a 9% obesity rate. Men there are not forced to deal with the hypocrisy of physically repulsive women asking to be treated as though they were way above the law. Their women may not fit traditional feminine gender roles very well, but they’re also not subsequently asking men to keep filling masculine roles the way many American women do (they’re more likely to pay on a date, among other things). Thus, the guys don’t seem quite as angry, and I don’t blame them. I wouldn’t be either.

On another note, American women of all kinds seem to generally maintain a passionate hatred for beta males. This varies somewhat by community (it’s obviously more extreme among blacks, less so among whites and Asians), but it’s there. They are almost universally unwelcome in this society by females.

It has been mentioned before that in Scandinavia and much of the rest of Europe, beta males seem to carry a lot more value. Now, consider that the majority of men everywhere are what you would call beta males, and you have a clearer answer. Swedish women are not quite as hostile to betas, which comprise the majority of the male populace, meaning you will see more amicable gender relations. American women, especially feminists, tend to dislike betas. Thus, you have less amicable gender relations.

Add to this the raw capitalist nature of American relations where so many relationships seem to be about the transfer of status and cash, rather than the more crucial intangible things, and you have a recipe for hostility. The women here never really love the men in the first place, and the men, most of whom are betas, naturally react with skepticism and hostility towards a female populace that is more openly and viciously hostile to betas than others across the world.

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Luckystar
Luckystar
8 years ago

Athlone…this is your calling my friend.

sharp analysis
sharp analysis
8 years ago

Great comparison. But is hypocrisy not a broader US problem rooted in US culture and puritan mentality? how did it get that far? what is the underlying cause to this problem?

Joe
Joe
3 years ago
Reply to  sharp analysis

Feminism/Government work together

Anonymous
Anonymous
8 years ago

Excellent guest post. Does a great job of summing up much of the general theme going through the manosphere these days.

Steven Lurkel
Steven Lurkel
8 years ago

Well done. Nice to see your writing outside of the confines of the forum, AM.

Markus
Markus
8 years ago

Hello. I like this blog.

Having never been to the USA, but being a Swede (and not one of the “Swedes” who’ve arrived here from the third world in the last few decades) I guess I can chime in.

Sweden has got the feminazi disease BAD. I guess there are quite a few normal women, but our government is infested with radical feminism. The so called “gender-roles” (i.e. masculinity/femininity) are being constantly attacked. Women are to be men, and men women. Affirmative action is rampant in the police force/fire department. Young boys and girls are being indoctrinated in “equality” and “diversity” from the time they are born. The schools are horrible, with a lot of immigrant violence, and home-schooling has recently been made illegal. Free speech exists only on paper. If you speak up against controversial subjects (immigration for instance) losing your job and becoming socially outcast is a real threat.

There are pre-schools where you’re not allowed to use the words “hon” (her) or “han” (him) but instead you are to use the made up word “hen” (since gender is all in the brain, right).

Sweden has become really awful. A lot of people are packing up and moving to other countries just because they can’t stand it anymore. 50% taxes doesn’t help either.

Vicious
Vicious
8 years ago

Markus:
Half the stuff you mention is not true.
*The “hen” part was the experiment of ONE preschool.
*I challenge you to provide a single statistic that shows people are emigrating from Sweden.
*Affirmative action in the police force/fire department is a moot point since women still have to conform to the same physical requirements as men.

The other half of your post is a standard “immigration is evil” speech. I am so tired of this rant. It really shows the worst of how spoiled Swedes have become. It always comes from the people who lack any real perspective, whose experiences of living in other countries are restricted to a two week vacation at a resort in Thailand.

Mighty Mouse
Mighty Mouse
8 years ago

Hey Athlone,

thanks for the article. I have just two questions:

Have you ever been living in Sweden long-term?

Have you ever been there at all?

I can almost predict the answer…

Johnny Milfquest
8 years ago

Swedish feminism sounds similar to UK feminism.

Over here the women who call themselves “feminists” would get pissed off with the very notion of male chivalry.

“Feminist” means either “fat dyke” and/or “career woman” on this side of the Atlantic.

Der Mac
Der Mac
6 years ago

Which side is this side?

Anon
Anon
8 years ago

I heard Sweden has castrated their men to the point that Muslims are going around raping Swedish women.

Maybe Tiger Woods can chime in on how Swedish women like to emasculate their men?

But hey, at least they aren’t fat like our women.

JST
JST
8 years ago

Your articles get better and better Roosh. It’s too bad the mainstream would never accept your material. It would wake up so many men and threaten the feminist monolith.

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A.B. Dada
8 years ago

This is a fantastic guest post, Roosh. Thanks for posting it.

My general comment is that all of these issues can be handled if a man understands that women are of two minds: the inner brain (“hamster”) that motivate them to do things via action, and the outer brains (“shit-tester”) that motivates them to say things verbally.

I go into greater detail at my own blog: http://www.2abd.com/relationships/relationship-economics/in-response-to-the-hypocrisy-of-american-feminism/

Fredrick
Fredrick
8 years ago

Sweden is the saudi arabia of feminism. a man can be thrown in jail for not wearing a condom during consensual sex if the woman complains about it to the police. sweden is not an example of “good” feminism as athlone implies. there is no good form of feminism, it is a universal legal and social movement based on women’s entitlement at men’s expense. It is the greatest threat to civilization since Nazism.

Markus
Markus
8 years ago

Vicious:

“*The “hen” part was the experiment of ONE preschool.”

True. But it got a whole lot of attention, and not much of it was bad. Media-wise at least.

“*I challenge you to provide a single statistic that shows people are emigrating from Sweden.”

I hope this works:

http://www.ssd.scb.se/databaser/igraph/MakeGraph.asp?onpx=y&pxfile=tmp2011101416501420BE0101M3.px&PLanguage=1&menu=y&gr_type=1

“*Affirmative action in the police force/fire department is a moot point since women still have to conform to the same physical requirements as men.”

Not true. Women are actively recruited having performed worse than men. Women have lower standards required. Somehow 50% of the new students at the police academy are women, despite only being about a third of the applicants. This is true year after year. And it’s also illegal. If you speak Swedish, here is something to read: http://www.dn.se/debatt/sluta-kvotera-till-polishogskolan

“The other half of your post is a standard “immigration is evil” speech. I am so tired of this rant. It really shows the worst of how spoiled Swedes have become. It always comes from the people who lack any real perspective, whose experiences of living in other countries are restricted to a two week vacation at a resort in Thailand.”

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the people who commit violent crimes in Sweden, and the rest of the west? They’re not usually white. Welcome to reality.

Andy
Andy
8 years ago

Great post!A further example to validate the american female delusion

http://www.datemedc.com/2010/12/are-you-strong-enough-to-be-my-man.html

A late 20s DC women who claims that she cannot cook,has no desire to learn,cusses like a sailor and then hopes to find a man who can cook for her.

Surprised at her lack of success in finding a mate (who has to be tall,successfull,goodlooking hah!) she moans about the lack of commitment minded men in US.

Any guesses about her future?

Gosling
Gosling
8 years ago

Any opinions on this “feminist dude” Ryan Gosling?

http://www.feministfatale.com/tag/ryan-gosling/

Wolf
8 years ago

“Once made equal to man, woman becomes his superior.” ~Socrates (c.325 BC) Wisdom never changes.

Alfapet
Alfapet
8 years ago

“while Swedish feminists appear to actually mean equality when they say it.”

LOL!

“Men there are not forced to deal with the hypocrisy of physically repulsive women asking to be treated as though they were way above the law.”

Men here can get sentenced for rape if the chick you fuck decides — not the day after, not the week after, not the month after — but 8 years (!!) after you’ve fucked her, that no, she really didn’t want to do it after all..

“No forensic evidence was presented in the case as proof that Beltran had raped the girl. Intead the case centred on the credibility of the witnesses and the alleged victim and perpetrator.”
http://www.thelocal.se/9960/20080212/

Gus
Gus
8 years ago

Well, I will speak from whatever little personal experience I have with Swedish women. Just to add, I am not a permanent resident of either of these two countries. Just someone who travels a bit for work.

I have been out on a date with one Swedish woman. Met her at my dance class. She asked me out, and because she had done the asking, on the date she insisted on paying for both of us. In another instance, two Swedish girls that I met at a bar bought me a round of shots. Then we switched bars. At the other place, while I was chilling with her friend, the other girl went to the bar, and brought drinks for all three of us. Mind you, this was a very crowded bar.

To this date, these are the only instances where some girl has bought me drinks or has paid 100% on a date. I have had girls who split the tab on a date before, but never asked me out explicitly or paid entirely on a date.

Nothing even close to this has ever happened with an American woman. So yes, speaking from personal experience, I have a fairly positive view of Swedish women.

Stu
Stu
8 years ago

Sorry mate but you obviously have no clue about Sweden. I’ve lived here for over a decade and don’t recognise your view of the country at all.

Anonymous
Anonymous
8 years ago

You forgot one:
Want to play in big league careers and yet have to freedom to drop out and play house at their whim, and have the same job waiting for their return, at the employers and coworkers expense. And this behavior should not affect advancement.

Have cake, eat cake.

Steven Lurkel
Steven Lurkel
8 years ago

from the back and forth between the swedes here, I guess swedish feminism isn’t so great either. still, they’ve got way fewer fatties…and I’ve seen that with mine own eyes.

Anonymous
Anonymous
8 years ago

No form of feminism is “so great.”

The Swedes, like the rest of us, should be thankful that representatives of more civilized cultures are arriving at their shores, and vastly out breeding them. It’s how evolution deals with dysfunction.

beta_plus
beta_plus
8 years ago

WIth the exception of divorce laws, all of the above is true for Swedish and Nordic feminism as well.

The only reason for that is that the Nordic welfare state simply strips beta males automatically of their wealth to pay for feminists children, without making them go through the unpleasantness of ever actually having to sleep with them, making the need for unfair divorce laws irrelevant.